I love how Vision Pro does this fake eye sight display with a purple mist animation... whereas these the cool hologram refractions just occur naturally.
Seems possible that Apple has some kind of similar prototypes and faked it in the Vision Pro to try to claim the effect as part of their product identity.
I think I’m more sold on pass through being the better long term play vs completely transparent. The same way that AirPods can now help you with your ears/hearing, pass through vision in the long term could add enhancements to your actual vision. Think zoom, night vision, vision correction, etc. Obviously we’re a ways off for pass through getting indistinguishable from transparent lenses, but if good enough the benefits of passthrough would be really great.
I would also be interested in an alternative version of the Orion project with a real PC connection (apparently via WIFI protocol). You could cover a room at home with high speed WLAN (or maybe even the apartment if it works with the latency) and would certainly have a factor of 2000x more performance available for the calculations^^ AR running at home with, for example, an Nvidia graphics card.
When I was a lot younger I remember watching videos (including MKBHD) about Google Glass and wanting a pair SO badly. I didn’t even own a smartphone at that age. Crazy how far we’ve come since then.
"Never coming out"? You mean prototype. It will evolve but still come out. Just as a new form. Certainly recognizable as the predecessor of this prototype
Electromyography (EMG), has been around for forever in biomechanics and neuroscience research :D While the bracelet is a nice recentish advancement (it however is not Apple's advancement) it is interesting to hear people get excited about the technology! There is more crazy stuff happening in this area than this kind of bracelet, would be super cool if MKBHD would check this stuff out :D
Lightfield displays.. give changing eye-tracking depth of field. This is a essential next gen feature you only get in the most advanced headsets. The difference between this and everything else is huge. Magic Leap and a few others did this and it's the killer feature. Might be able to emulate on consumer headsets, but *real^ Lightfield displays are the gold standard.
What if there was a way to feed information from the glasses to your cell phone and back cordless so it could run off your cellphones processor allowing them to makes the glasses smaller.
That's what Meta wants to do, actually. BUT they also know that Google and Apple will block every access for that external computing until they develope their own glasses. So expect some suing and court fight for fair competition. Currently, Meta partnered with Lenovo so that they can connect to their Motorola Razr
I still like the holo lens when there was a demo with someone playing yugioh and the 2 people were dueling each other like the yugioh tv show. I saw someone had a yugioh duel disk strapped to there arm when I was on the bus and I think it was during the comic con convention.
There’s a CNBC story on these systems posted this week which includes a great scoring system for a multiplayer RL basketball game. Scores were kept above the hoop.
You're probably well aware of these products, but there are also glasses like the Xreal Ultra that you can buy today. They use a different type of optics (bird batch vs wave guides like in the Orion glasses). They look like regular sunglasses, but with a lens between the sunglass glass and your eyes. Most people don't notice you're wearing them. They are far from perfect, they're very much an early adopter product, but they allow you to experience what a HUD would be like or to have virtual objects in the real world, in the same way Orion does. I wouldn't mind seeing a hands-on from you on those. I have them, so I know what they're like for me personally, but your broader perspective would be interesting to see.
I doubt he cares enough about the whole space or he'd make an actual video about it in his main channel, or about the Meta Orion glasses, but since this specific video is in their podcast channel it shows he doesn't (look at MKBHD'S videos about VR/headsets, the last ones are only about the Apple Vision Pro). So unless Apple releases anything like the Orion glasses the chances of him reviewing them, or Orion, are... very, very low.
@@lemster101 yes, but look at the date. It's already been an entire month since they were announced, and if you compare it to his way of reviewing the Apple Vision Pro, then you'll see that his priorities are not on this, nor anything that's not Apple-made. Watch how fast he makes a video over the new Macs.
When the glasses look like real glasses and they can replace the bracelet and puck with a watch and a glasses case that can also charge it like airpods have but for the glasses then they will be ready for prime time.
I feel like Andrew’s take is from a totally spoiled perspective. No device has ever done be in this small of a form factor. He acknowledges this but proceeds to say, “it’s not there yet.” Bro, what a sense of entitlement. Orion looks freaking amazing! We’re moving to the future! No it’s not going to replace regular glasses on the first try. Give it a year or two. Be patient.
I have no idea how “never done be” is in my comment. “No device has ever been done in this small of a form factor.” Was what I typed. Not sure how autocorrect got that out of it.
Apple already has the wireless compute + gesture control wristband & they’ve been testing it out in the open in secret for years. It’s called Apple Watch and iPhone, AirPlay has existed for ages and we’re starting to see the first examples of non-invasive neural inputs with pinch on vision, double tap on watch, and head gestures with airpods. If each object has a separate purpose and functionality beyond its use for compute and input for spatial then you can spread the cost of a $10,000 headset like the Meta Orion so it doesn’t sting nearly as much as a singular purchase on it’s own.
Apple Watch only use IMU, which stands for Inertial Measurement Unit. It detects any movements such as vibration, and that's why Apple Watch can detect car crash and falling accident. They use machine learning to tell various movements and vibrations. Pinching fingers triggers certain vibration and movement, so Apple Watch can detect pinch. Meta Wristband, however, uses much more complicated techs from ground up, it's on whole another level. It's so precise at reading signals, Meta's research showed that users don't even need to move their hands at all. Slightest twitching signals of fingers can control it, people around you wouldn't even notice that you are controling this thing
16:42 technically you can share some experience with the Vision Pro personas and it does a great job simulating a shared virtual environment but it’s not two Vision Pros in the same room as you say. More like someone’s hologram in your room
We're living in a world of gullibility now. Meta showed off Orion because they needed to hype up their share price. Just like they hyped up the metaverse last year. They know its not coming any time soon, but they know investors and people get overly excited about it.
I don't understand the constant instagram app iPad stuff, the resolution of the images just isn't there. It's not doable without at least doubling the res which means double the server costs.
I don’t think a set of AR glasses (with battery, processor, speakers, etc) will ever pass for a set of regular glasses under close scrutiny. I think the question should be: at what distance can you tell
Ctrl Labs was the first one, earlier than Myo. Then Meta acquired Ctrl Labs, and Myo went bankrupt since they didn't have any use cases, visions, or fund raisers. Meta than sophiscated Ctrl Labs wristband technology very thoroughly. It got much smaller, more efficient, more precise, and no need for complicated calibration. It just works now, thanks to long polishing period
I mean I wouldn't say never. None of this stuff existed 10 years ago. But also, I think there's room for both. VST is like a laptop; it's more powerful, better screen, more usable for a wider range of activities, etc. You can use a laptop to get work done, but you'll never be able to put it in your pocket and take it with you because that's not what it's designed to do. But we also still have phones. They're convenient, they're lightweight and small, you can use it basically anywhere and anytime, and although you wouldn't want to work using your phone, it can still be used for entertainment, navigation, communication, etc. So VST will be used for work, school, gaming, etc. Basically everything you would use a laptop/desktop computer today for (probably with the ability to connect to a desktop for extra power if you like) But OST will be your daily driver, the computing device that's always with you. It'll have your AI assistant built in to do/remember things for you, and it'll be good for entertainment and browsing the web. Your phone might end up being the "Brains" of the device instead of the compute puck they use now. If you need to type a TH-cam comment, you pull out your phone and use it's keyboard to type on the large screen floating in front of you while you're at a coffee shop or waiting for the bus. Both have a place in the future, and neither will be the winner, no more than the phone won over the laptop or the laptop won over the desktop, they're different devices for different things.
This comment is so inert it might aswell be ragebait. We are barely scratching the surface with flexible displays, we havent even started scratching at transparent displays.
@@stevewall7044 I will just pronounce one problem with OST that suffices as a death sentence to its image quality: contrast. Firstly, the display unit of Orion only projects instead of blocking any light, which means it is fundamentally incapable of showing darkness. Even if-and this is a big if-the silicon carbine somehow becomes as able to block light as currently most advanced LCD, it still cannot display true darkness is thus is still no match for micro-OLED. And remember, LCD is only trying to block light from an evenly lit backlight panel, while OST would need to block who knows what light source wherever you are. The contrast and colour accuracy of OST is doomed to be a disaster by the laws of physics. You hence cannot expect any quality media consumption-let alone production-on OST.
@@AbadonBIack I will just pronounce one problem with OST that is a death sentence for its image quality: contrast. Firstly, the display unit of Orion only projects but does not block any light, which means it is fundamentally incapable of showing darkness. Even if-and this is a big if-the silicon carbine somehow becomes as capable at blocking light as our most advanced LCD, it still cannot display true darkness and thus is still no match for micro-OLED. And remember, LCD is only trying to block light from an evenly lit backlight panel, while OST would need to block who knows what light source wherever you are. The contrast and colour accuracy of OST is doomed to be a disaster by the laws of physics. You hence cannot expect any quality media consumption-let alone production-on OST.
@@AbadonBIack I will just pronounce one problem with OST that is a death sentence for its image quality: contrast. Firstly, the display unit of Orion only projects but does not block any light, which means it is fundamentally incapable of showing darkness. Even if-and this is a big if-the silicon carbine somehow becomes as capable at blocking light as our most advanced LCD, it still cannot display true darkness and thus is still no match for micro-OLED. And remember, LCD is only trying to block light from an evenly lit backlight panel, while OST would need to block who knows what light source wherever you are. The contrast and colour accuracy of OST is doomed to be a disaster by the laws of physics. You hence cannot expect any quality media consumption-let alone production-on OST.
It's just really hard to imagine people being fine wearing glasses all the time. I wear glasses most of my life since contact lenses aren't always comfortable. I never liked it. Leaves mark on your nose ridge. Maybe my nose is just too small but it's never comfortable especially when you're active and moves a lot 😄
Waveform Clips channel - 20+ minute clip. I think you and I have different ideas of what is and isn't a clip. This is the same length as an episode of The Simpsons (minus ad breaks) lol. Not that I'm complaining about the content. I'm just being a pedant 😂
I will just pronounce one problem with OST that is a death sentence for its image quality: contrast. Firstly, the display unit of Orion only projects but does not block any light, which means it is fundamentally incapable of showing darkness. Even if-and this is a big if-the silicon carbine somehow becomes as capable at blocking light as our most advanced LCD, it still cannot display true darkness and thus is still no match for micro-OLED. And remember, LCD is only trying to block light from an evenly lit backlight panel, while OST would need to block who knows what light source wherever you are. The contrast and colour accuracy of OST is doomed to be a disaster by the laws of physics. You hence cannot expect any quality media consumption-let alone production-on OST.
Good job, you just showed you know nothing about physics on your second half of the comment. Plus, "quality" media consumption is relative, the original gameboy has quality media consumption without a backlit / with 8bit audio.
I get your point, but I imagine the practical use of these glasses less in the form of media consumption and rather similar to what we’ve seen in the Iron man and Spider-Man movies. Many other things like displaying messages, 3D directions and other information can still be very well projected even if there is no real dark colours. At least I think that this physical limitation would not be a reason for this type of product to fail. I think for a long time we will have two types of smart glass products: one like the Orion glasses for everyday use and one like the quest for home, with better vision AND audio capabilities
Iirc they wont go with waveguide silicon carbide because it was tpo expensive. So i hope if they go with glass they could maybe have them electrochromatic like the Virture glasses
@@artemgrauberger8775 If it really is going to cast as a wearable that mainly display information, I’d say it is going to have a hard time competing with smart watches, don’t you agree?
Let’s imagine a near future where Orion resolves all its technical issues, reduces its price, and the glasses project a quality almost equal to that of the Vision Pro, while being even lighter. Could we then think that Orion will replace the phone? No! The concept of Orion does not solve a use case that is unbeatable in the cellphone: notifications. The phone offers something unique that glasses will never be able to offer: a screen beside us that shows messages, alerts, and notifications of calls and apps, giving us the possibility to attend to them or not according to our individual priorities. Although the user experience of Orion in many cases may be superior to that of a phone (due to its mobility, spatial screen, and convenience), it will never replace that function of the phone that makes it unique. The glasses cannot give us notifications when we are not using them because they do not have an always-on screen when we leave them aside. Users will never give that up. Having to put on the glasses to know who is calling will never be an option. Thus, the concept of Orion is doomed to be an incredible accessory for the cellphone, but only an accessory. Here comes the second issue, perhaps the most important: the Puck. To make the lenses work, Orion needs a portable mini-computer that takes the weight and computing power off the glasses to make them light, providing them with data wirelessly. The concept is undoubtedly correct. Today, Meta presents the puck as a mandatory accessory, a closed computer case without a screen, that one has to carry everywhere (they tell us it is to leave in the backpack and not worry). The obvious question is: if we are going to have to carry a mini-computer everywhere, why not put a screen on it to receive notifications, cameras for a video call without having to use an avatar codec, and since it has a powerful chip, why not make it a mini PC? All those elements together form a cellphone. So, again, we come back to the same thing, the puck will inevitably have to be a mobile phone because it already has everything to be one. The third point is the Neuralink band, a band on your wrist without the possibility of also holding a smartwatch? The conclusion is obvious in Orion: the puck will never compete with an iPhone and the Neuralink band will never be able to compete with having the option of also being an Apple Watch, and the user experience of Vision OS will always be superior. Apple will manufacture its Orion with an iPhone or Mac providing the data and the Apple Watch as the Neuralink band. Conclusion: the concept of Orion will win, Apple will make it its own, and Meta will lose. This is not the battle of hardware, not even of software, this is the battle of who has the best ecosystem, who delivers the best overall experience to users.
If there was a clear path to ship Orion to the masses in a short few years, why would Meta announce it now? From a competitive standpoint, it makes no sense. I think they realized that this product just cannot ship without dramatic changes in technology. The advanced display can’t be manufactured at scale, but not using it makes Orion just another Holo Lens. Meta realized that before they dump this very expensive prototype, they might as well demo it to everyone for the free press. And it’s working.
I'm just waiting for AR glasses to get good enough to take Pokemon Go to its ultimate level.
Holy F, I hadnt thought about that!
Well you can do that with a Quest 3 and far better than your lousy overpriced phone. Is just that the app isn't available
Nintendo will end up making the ultimate Pokémon collecting game for the AR glasses and totally fumble the battle mechanics, I’m sure of it
@@jaymuffinz I bet since they spending 99% of their earning in becoming the world's lawer
I just started playing this game again recently and img how amazing would that be
“There’s an Instagram app for a device that does not exist and not this iPad.” THIS!
I love how Vision Pro does this fake eye sight display with a purple mist animation... whereas these the cool hologram refractions just occur naturally.
Seems possible that Apple has some kind of similar prototypes and faked it in the Vision Pro to try to claim the effect as part of their product identity.
The world my grandkids will be able to enjoy is going to be glorious!
@@rcuadro Plot twist - your grandkids retired 83 years ago.
They boutta be living in the jetsons for real
It will be hell on earth
Wall-E world
That’s optimistic
The end gags are my favorite
I think I’m more sold on pass through being the better long term play vs completely transparent.
The same way that AirPods can now help you with your ears/hearing, pass through vision in the long term could add enhancements to your actual vision. Think zoom, night vision, vision correction, etc. Obviously we’re a ways off for pass through getting indistinguishable from transparent lenses, but if good enough the benefits of passthrough would be really great.
The head pong won my subscription ... absolutely hilarious 😂
I’ve been waiting for this in the main channel!
i am not sure it has high enough demand for him to even try
I would also be interested in an alternative version of the Orion project with a real PC connection (apparently via WIFI protocol).
You could cover a room at home with high speed WLAN (or maybe even the apartment if it works with the latency) and would certainly have a factor of 2000x more performance available for the calculations^^ AR running at home with, for example, an Nvidia graphics card.
When I was a lot younger I remember watching videos (including MKBHD) about Google Glass and wanting a pair SO badly. I didn’t even own a smartphone at that age. Crazy how far we’ve come since then.
"Never coming out"? You mean prototype. It will evolve but still come out. Just as a new form. Certainly recognizable as the predecessor of this prototype
Future role playing games are going to be SO fun! 😁
10:38 this is something we saw yeaaaaars ago from Thalmic Labs with their Myo, and it was already impressive then.
The tech looks amazing.
@2:40 "we've never seen AR...working until now..." Microsoft Hololens was working AR though.
Working AR Glasses is a better way to put it
@trevstephens186no, it technically was not lol.
Electromyography (EMG), has been around for forever in biomechanics and neuroscience research :D While the bracelet is a nice recentish advancement (it however is not Apple's advancement) it is interesting to hear people get excited about the technology! There is more crazy stuff happening in this area than this kind of bracelet, would be super cool if MKBHD would check this stuff out :D
If these had "Balenciaga " written on them, no one would say they don't look like glasses.
Lightfield displays.. give changing eye-tracking depth of field.
This is a essential next gen feature you only get in the most advanced headsets.
The difference between this and everything else is huge.
Magic Leap and a few others did this and it's the killer feature. Might be able to emulate on consumer headsets, but *real^ Lightfield displays are the gold standard.
What if there was a way to feed information from the glasses to your cell phone and back cordless so it could run off your cellphones processor allowing them to makes the glasses smaller.
That's what Meta wants to do, actually. BUT they also know that Google and Apple will block every access for that external computing until they develope their own glasses. So expect some suing and court fight for fair competition. Currently, Meta partnered with Lenovo so that they can connect to their Motorola Razr
it already does that but with the puck instead of your phone
That’s why Apple will win this space.
I still like the holo lens when there was a demo with someone playing yugioh and the 2 people were dueling each other like the yugioh tv show. I saw someone had a yugioh duel disk strapped to there arm when I was on the bus and I think it was during the comic con convention.
Glad to see meta isn't just sitting on the Myo IP they sucked up years ago. I had the original but could never troubleshoot enough to get it work.
There’s a CNBC story on these systems posted this week which includes a great scoring system for a multiplayer RL basketball game. Scores were kept above the hoop.
You're probably well aware of these products, but there are also glasses like the Xreal Ultra that you can buy today. They use a different type of optics (bird batch vs wave guides like in the Orion glasses). They look like regular sunglasses, but with a lens between the sunglass glass and your eyes. Most people don't notice you're wearing them.
They are far from perfect, they're very much an early adopter product, but they allow you to experience what a HUD would be like or to have virtual objects in the real world, in the same way Orion does.
I wouldn't mind seeing a hands-on from you on those. I have them, so I know what they're like for me personally, but your broader perspective would be interesting to see.
They don't look like regular sunglasses, no offence, but they protrude from your face and look hideous
I doubt he cares enough about the whole space or he'd make an actual video about it in his main channel, or about the Meta Orion glasses, but since this specific video is in their podcast channel it shows he doesn't (look at MKBHD'S videos about VR/headsets, the last ones are only about the Apple Vision Pro). So unless Apple releases anything like the Orion glasses the chances of him reviewing them, or Orion, are... very, very low.
@@eltremendolagarto He says in this podcast that he's doing a full video on the Orion.
@@lemster101 yes, but look at the date. It's already been an entire month since they were announced, and if you compare it to his way of reviewing the Apple Vision Pro, then you'll see that his priorities are not on this, nor anything that's not Apple-made. Watch how fast he makes a video over the new Macs.
They need to make one that's a helmet with a backpack and both arm readers with a brain scanner, eye tracking, audio, ar visor etc etc
Just make a mechsuit at that point!
When the glasses look like real glasses and they can replace the bracelet and puck with a watch and a glasses case that can also charge it like airpods have but for the glasses then they will be ready for prime time.
I feel like Andrew’s take is from a totally spoiled perspective. No device has ever done be in this small of a form factor. He acknowledges this but proceeds to say, “it’s not there yet.” Bro, what a sense of entitlement. Orion looks freaking amazing! We’re moving to the future! No it’s not going to replace regular glasses on the first try. Give it a year or two. Be patient.
I have no idea how “never done be” is in my comment. “No device has ever been done in this small of a form factor.” Was what I typed. Not sure how autocorrect got that out of it.
This format of The Studio guys sharing roundtable tidbits about pixie dust technology is perfect
Imagine playing Minigolf whit your friend 100 kilometers away.
Even realities glasses look pretty cool as well.
Anybody know what that laptop/tablet that Ellis is using… the blue one? 🤔
Can’t wait for these
This Thumb Nail goes HARD
Apple already has the wireless compute + gesture control wristband & they’ve been testing it out in the open in secret for years. It’s called Apple Watch and iPhone, AirPlay has existed for ages and we’re starting to see the first examples of non-invasive neural inputs with pinch on vision, double tap on watch, and head gestures with airpods. If each object has a separate purpose and functionality beyond its use for compute and input for spatial then you can spread the cost of a $10,000 headset like the Meta Orion so it doesn’t sting nearly as much as a singular purchase on it’s own.
Apple Watch only use IMU, which stands for Inertial Measurement Unit. It detects any movements such as vibration, and that's why Apple Watch can detect car crash and falling accident. They use machine learning to tell various movements and vibrations. Pinching fingers triggers certain vibration and movement, so Apple Watch can detect pinch.
Meta Wristband, however, uses much more complicated techs from ground up, it's on whole another level. It's so precise at reading signals, Meta's research showed that users don't even need to move their hands at all. Slightest twitching signals of fingers can control it, people around you wouldn't even notice that you are controling this thing
Exactly
Those wristbands sound like yhe bext step in vr interface as well?
outro is cute
I really hope they can solve battery by the consumer launch. Puck is all day, but the glasses only have a 3 hour range.
16:42 technically you can share some experience with the Vision Pro personas and it does a great job simulating a shared virtual environment but it’s not two Vision Pros in the same room as you say. More like someone’s hologram in your room
Just imagine people having 2D girlfriends augmented into real life lmaoooooo
Google should make the app drawer AR always even 2d phones. Place the app icons in peoples room, making 2d phones part of a shared 3d virtual world.
Make AR contact lenses w/ tiny ear buds & slim silver ring on finger as our mouse... then the whole world will be using it asap!!
The Flex with the limited edition metas..
the 2 biggest problem with this are battery and chip power. Solving those 2 problems may take a while, so I'm sticking to Meta quest for now.
I’m going back to the Virtual Boy
We're living in a world of gullibility now. Meta showed off Orion because they needed to hype up their share price. Just like they hyped up the metaverse last year. They know its not coming any time soon, but they know investors and people get overly excited about it.
Shared spaces for whiteboard work with colleagues who are anywhere. Immensely useful, should not be too difficult.
Love the channel but one question- was Marquez taking a break or not? Was it a political thing with his shareholder-investors?
it is funny that no one is talking about the AVP anymore
Fun Woody Allen cameo there
Silicon carbide? Like basically hard as diamond glasses!?
Coincidentally I paused at exactly 18:21 and when I came back to the PC I saw Andrew looking at me so weirdly
I don't understand the constant instagram app iPad stuff, the resolution of the images just isn't there. It's not doable without at least doubling the res which means double the server costs.
11:11 now that is crazy.
Why is no one talking about the XREAL AR GLASSES ?
i think both vision pro and meta are precursors to neuralink like device OSes
aint nobody dope as me i aaaaaam just so fresh so clean ..
Please check out the Even G1 Glasses! Very curious
2:39 hololens 2 cries silently😢 i liked it lol.
Loving the new mail app. OMG I can finally delete tons of messages at once
where's the video of the product
around 19:20 in the video they play a simple game in it :D kinda cool!
INMO Air 2 Popping right now Meta's Orion AR glasses is expected to happen sometime between late 2027 and 2028 !
Glasses look good on the face
3:00 Jumpscare 😂
i saw it coming he was so stanced up lol
I am hiigh and the part at 2:58 freaked me out! Lolz!
I don’t think a set of AR glasses (with battery, processor, speakers, etc) will ever pass for a set of regular glasses under close scrutiny.
I think the question should be: at what distance can you tell
Google glasses down fall was the camera and privacy
The closest to the Orion now is the Xreal glasses
They’re not Glasses, they’re Panels!!
15:39 LOL
Myo had it years ago.
Ctrl Labs was the first one, earlier than Myo. Then Meta acquired Ctrl Labs, and Myo went bankrupt since they didn't have any use cases, visions, or fund raisers.
Meta than sophiscated Ctrl Labs wristband technology very thoroughly. It got much smaller, more efficient, more precise, and no need for complicated calibration.
It just works now, thanks to long polishing period
19:36 the dude is probably having a German heritage
You look so coop in glasses
Hell no, it probably has the beep beep bomb they out in those pagers
Woody Allen looks like he has been wearing them for years
Pong? Mortal Kombat!
I wonder whose the first guy to JO and let someone watch their AI render go at it?
Read it as Onion
I don't need them to be the same size as normal glasses
OST is never going to be as good as VST in terms of display quality and colour accuracy. Vision Pro is the future.
I mean I wouldn't say never. None of this stuff existed 10 years ago.
But also, I think there's room for both. VST is like a laptop; it's more powerful, better screen, more usable for a wider range of activities, etc. You can use a laptop to get work done, but you'll never be able to put it in your pocket and take it with you because that's not what it's designed to do.
But we also still have phones. They're convenient, they're lightweight and small, you can use it basically anywhere and anytime, and although you wouldn't want to work using your phone, it can still be used for entertainment, navigation, communication, etc.
So VST will be used for work, school, gaming, etc. Basically everything you would use a laptop/desktop computer today for (probably with the ability to connect to a desktop for extra power if you like)
But OST will be your daily driver, the computing device that's always with you. It'll have your AI assistant built in to do/remember things for you, and it'll be good for entertainment and browsing the web. Your phone might end up being the "Brains" of the device instead of the compute puck they use now. If you need to type a TH-cam comment, you pull out your phone and use it's keyboard to type on the large screen floating in front of you while you're at a coffee shop or waiting for the bus.
Both have a place in the future, and neither will be the winner, no more than the phone won over the laptop or the laptop won over the desktop, they're different devices for different things.
This comment is so inert it might aswell be ragebait.
We are barely scratching the surface with flexible displays, we havent even started scratching at transparent displays.
@@stevewall7044 I will just pronounce one problem with OST that suffices as a death sentence to its image quality: contrast. Firstly, the display unit of Orion only projects instead of blocking any light, which means it is fundamentally incapable of showing darkness. Even if-and this is a big if-the silicon carbine somehow becomes as able to block light as currently most advanced LCD, it still cannot display true darkness is thus is still no match for micro-OLED. And remember, LCD is only trying to block light from an evenly lit backlight panel, while OST would need to block who knows what light source wherever you are. The contrast and colour accuracy of OST is doomed to be a disaster by the laws of physics. You hence cannot expect any quality media consumption-let alone production-on OST.
@@AbadonBIack I will just pronounce one problem with OST that is a death sentence for its image quality: contrast. Firstly, the display unit of Orion only projects but does not block any light, which means it is fundamentally incapable of showing darkness. Even if-and this is a big if-the silicon carbine somehow becomes as capable at blocking light as our most advanced LCD, it still cannot display true darkness and thus is still no match for micro-OLED. And remember, LCD is only trying to block light from an evenly lit backlight panel, while OST would need to block who knows what light source wherever you are. The contrast and colour accuracy of OST is doomed to be a disaster by the laws of physics. You hence cannot expect any quality media consumption-let alone production-on OST.
@@AbadonBIack I will just pronounce one problem with OST that is a death sentence for its image quality: contrast. Firstly, the display unit of Orion only projects but does not block any light, which means it is fundamentally incapable of showing darkness. Even if-and this is a big if-the silicon carbine somehow becomes as capable at blocking light as our most advanced LCD, it still cannot display true darkness and thus is still no match for micro-OLED. And remember, LCD is only trying to block light from an evenly lit backlight panel, while OST would need to block who knows what light source wherever you are. The contrast and colour accuracy of OST is doomed to be a disaster by the laws of physics. You hence cannot expect any quality media consumption-let alone production-on OST.
It's just really hard to imagine people being fine wearing glasses all the time. I wear glasses most of my life since contact lenses aren't always comfortable. I never liked it. Leaves mark on your nose ridge. Maybe my nose is just too small but it's never comfortable especially when you're active and moves a lot 😄
Waveform Clips channel - 20+ minute clip. I think you and I have different ideas of what is and isn't a clip. This is the same length as an episode of The Simpsons (minus ad breaks) lol. Not that I'm complaining about the content. I'm just being a pedant 😂
Meh
Then go see the full podcast instead of this then and stop crying, not everything is tik tok this days.
Agree to disagree. Like the long clips.
the clips are just the segments of the full podcast. if they spent 30 minutes talking about something, the clip is gonna be 30 minutes
You're confusing the terms "clip" and "short".
OMG, I thought guy in the green shirt and hat was Mark Zuckerberg! He could be his twin. Lol
I will just pronounce one problem with OST that is a death sentence for its image quality: contrast. Firstly, the display unit of Orion only projects but does not block any light, which means it is fundamentally incapable of showing darkness. Even if-and this is a big if-the silicon carbine somehow becomes as capable at blocking light as our most advanced LCD, it still cannot display true darkness and thus is still no match for micro-OLED. And remember, LCD is only trying to block light from an evenly lit backlight panel, while OST would need to block who knows what light source wherever you are. The contrast and colour accuracy of OST is doomed to be a disaster by the laws of physics. You hence cannot expect any quality media consumption-let alone production-on OST.
Good job, you just showed you know nothing about physics on your second half of the comment.
Plus, "quality" media consumption is relative, the original gameboy has quality media consumption without a backlit / with 8bit audio.
@@Lord-kd3ee No I am not going to consume 8-bit audio without backlit.
I get your point, but I imagine the practical use of these glasses less in the form of media consumption and rather similar to what we’ve seen in the Iron man and Spider-Man movies. Many other things like displaying messages, 3D directions and other information can still be very well projected even if there is no real dark colours. At least I think that this physical limitation would not be a reason for this type of product to fail. I think for a long time we will have two types of smart glass products: one like the Orion glasses for everyday use and one like the quest for home, with better vision AND audio capabilities
Iirc they wont go with waveguide silicon carbide because it was tpo expensive. So i hope if they go with glass they could maybe have them electrochromatic like the Virture glasses
@@artemgrauberger8775 If it really is going to cast as a wearable that mainly display information, I’d say it is going to have a hard time competing with smart watches, don’t you agree?
I feel old saying that I don't want this
13:00 lol
forget about it
"not glass." 🤓
Who cares the Orion glasses are thick
They have the best technology
I am so upset that I was born in 2006 and not in 2030+
haha just bought a viture pro xr
That's kinda same but also kinda different at the same time
Don't worry, these won't be out in a while xD
Apple did show something and not sell
Let’s imagine a near future where Orion resolves all its technical issues, reduces its price, and the glasses project a quality almost equal to that of the Vision Pro, while being even lighter. Could we then think that Orion will replace the phone? No! The concept of Orion does not solve a use case that is unbeatable in the cellphone: notifications. The phone offers something unique that glasses will never be able to offer: a screen beside us that shows messages, alerts, and notifications of calls and apps, giving us the possibility to attend to them or not according to our individual priorities. Although the user experience of Orion in many cases may be superior to that of a phone (due to its mobility, spatial screen, and convenience), it will never replace that function of the phone that makes it unique. The glasses cannot give us notifications when we are not using them because they do not have an always-on screen when we leave them aside. Users will never give that up. Having to put on the glasses to know who is calling will never be an option. Thus, the concept of Orion is doomed to be an incredible accessory for the cellphone, but only an accessory.
Here comes the second issue, perhaps the most important: the Puck. To make the lenses work, Orion needs a portable mini-computer that takes the weight and computing power off the glasses to make them light, providing them with data wirelessly. The concept is undoubtedly correct. Today, Meta presents the puck as a mandatory accessory, a closed computer case without a screen, that one has to carry everywhere (they tell us it is to leave in the backpack and not worry). The obvious question is: if we are going to have to carry a mini-computer everywhere, why not put a screen on it to receive notifications, cameras for a video call without having to use an avatar codec, and since it has a powerful chip, why not make it a mini PC? All those elements together form a cellphone. So, again, we come back to the same thing, the puck will inevitably have to be a mobile phone because it already has everything to be one.
The third point is the Neuralink band, a band on your wrist without the possibility of also holding a smartwatch?
The conclusion is obvious in Orion: the puck will never compete with an iPhone and the Neuralink band will never be able to compete with having the option of also being an Apple Watch, and the user experience of Vision OS will always be superior. Apple will manufacture its Orion with an iPhone or Mac providing the data and the Apple Watch as the Neuralink band.
Conclusion: the concept of Orion will win, Apple will make it its own, and Meta will lose. This is not the battle of hardware, not even of software, this is the battle of who has the best ecosystem, who delivers the best overall experience to users.
sccops willkillmehere
That's a lot of data.
😅
Third!
Never been this early before
If there was a clear path to ship Orion to the masses in a short few years, why would Meta announce it now? From a competitive standpoint, it makes no sense.
I think they realized that this product just cannot ship without dramatic changes in technology. The advanced display can’t be manufactured at scale, but not using it makes Orion just another Holo Lens.
Meta realized that before they dump this very expensive prototype, they might as well demo it to everyone for the free press. And it’s working.
Well I am not very impressed but hope it ill work well for many people l e
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I will give you one pineapple.