DK Tsuchiya probably one of the guy that I trusted with reviewing and showcasing cars, he could provide extensive experience both with how it drives and how it looks.
I love the guy just eats the GT3 RS alive with this very affordable car. I am choosing between the two for track use and I trust Tsuchiya San more than anyone else on TH-cam. I like the cleaner front end of the Toyota more but track performance is utmost important.
Dear CarPrime crew, please put more camera on the car so we can see what's in front. Yes we love to see Keiichi san drive but we also want to see what he sees and how the car move. Thank you so much CarPrime
Thanks DK! Great insights into the differences between the GR86 and BRZ. I have only driven the new BRZ so far, and I found that the throttle response was too slow for my liking. It is a relief to hear that the GR86 has a sharper and more aggressive throttle response. I also found the suspension to be too soft in the BRZ, and that the steering was a bit light and vague. I will test drive (perhaps hire from this company) a GR86 to see if it feels more responsive with a harder edge.
(It does seem that that's the point of the brand differences. I've been wondering if the throttle response difference is in the engine tune or the e-throttle pedal setup itself, actually. Also if the BRZ's more set up for less-ideal roads like you might expect of Subie rally heritage, or just a bit more cushy. :) )
Can this be fixed? I just like the face of the BRZ because it looks like it’s smiling. If you know of a bumper for the GR86 that gives it a smile look then please let me know and I’ll go for GR86 instead
@@자시엘 if it's just the tuning for the pedal then yes it can be fixed, although i don't know if you have to do it at 3rd party store or not, but check community to be sure
@@Taytayflan You are definitely correct - however if it's what the car comes with then technically it's still 'the car'... but I get what you're saying. Also, we didn't just see a lap time, he specifically said the GR was more fun.
Anxiously awaited for this video....only for a huge let down. Might ad well compare first Generation car to second Generation car since they're using mismatched tires. Like playing a college football team vs an NFL team
I dunno why, but same case with FT86/BRZ I would prefer and even buy the GR86 than the newer BRZ, probably because I am a big fan of Hachi Rokus and Toyota.
Well, the supplied tires when you buy or rent a car are certainly a factor, especially if suspensions are tuned accordingly. On the other hand if you intend to change your tires out immediately anyway, that may matter less, but I imagine part of the small differences between the cars actually is what kind of people might choose which brand, and maybe be happier with which tire accordingly. It seems clear the GR86 is the more track-oriented setup, and, I dunno, the Subie might be a bit more arthritis-friendly for a daily, (that's becoming a concern for me sometimes) ...and possibly it's also oriented a bit more toward rally-style dirt road stuff, I speculate, perhaps wishfully, cause I love that sort of thing. :) If I got to compare, say, via convenient rentals, I'd want to find out for myself. :) (I expect it wouldn't be hard to make the E-throttle of either car do the same thing as the other, so that throttle-response concern might not matter much to me. I think I like the Toyota styling just a bit more, and between those two colors, also Toyota wins, but not enough to make the difference. If I were buying, the choice possibly could come down to 'What tires do I get with this.' even as part of the package of minor preferences. :) ) On a nice track, I'd want the Toyota being more taut, but I might even want things a bit more compliant so some of these concrete roads where I am don't make me feel worse. :)
Car and Driver think they are both essentially the same on track, and its in the street where you notice the more tail happy nature of the GR86 a bit more. They actually tested the cars in the same specification as well, not this base vs top trim.
*Bonjour ! Konnichiwa ! Thank you for the advice Keiichi !* *I think the MX-5 ND2 2.0 with Öhlins coilovers and OS GIKEN LSD can be a very fun sports car too !* *What do you think ?*
Nice try, but you did not compare comparable models. The premium GR86 has the aggressive tires. But the “premium” BRZ is actually the base model, and it has the poor grip tires. Try comparing the Premium GR86 to the Limited BRZ.
I don’t understand why they used different tires when timing the laps between these cars. They used the better tires on the GR86(Pilot Sport 4) and Michelin Primacy on the BRZ which are harder inferior tires not meant for the track. Of course the GR86 will perform better with stickier tires.
@@engrishsheep but tsuchiya San did not say one is better than the other, plus I’m sure his comments about the cars characteristics already took the tires into his consideration, so what’s there to complain about? Just cuz the brz was slower around that track? 😂 so sour
@@chenyuliu7838 I'm not sure they're fan boys or not. But the video show the track time of both car is quite misleading. Because I want to know how much of a difference between the two on the track. Given two different categories tires on two different cars and comparing them on the track is meaningless. If they switched the tire around, then showed the GR86 time a lot slower than BRZ. A lot of "Toyota fanboy" would say the same. Then BShitter like you would leave comment like "toyota fan boys are getting sour in the comments lol" (¬_¬ )
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DK Tsuchiya probably one of the guy that I trusted with reviewing and showcasing cars, he could provide extensive experience both with how it drives and how it looks.
I love the guy just eats the GT3 RS alive with this very affordable car. I am choosing between the two for track use and I trust Tsuchiya San more than anyone else on TH-cam. I like the cleaner front end of the Toyota more but track performance is utmost important.
It really weird because Subaru makes better looking vehicles than Toyota (IMO), but the GR86 looks better.
Dear CarPrime crew, please put more camera on the car so we can see what's in front. Yes we love to see Keiichi san drive but we also want to see what he sees and how the car move. Thank you so much CarPrime
Agreed, Hot Version in car camera setup is way better,
Looking forward to it! Any chance we could get an English version of Azusa Ito's reviews on the BRZ or GR Yaris?
i bet something or other will come up with that Yaris!
Man i cannot wait to get my hands on A GR86... Saving my pennies till a red or white manual premium edition is available in my area.
Thanks DK! Great insights into the differences between the GR86 and BRZ. I have only driven the new BRZ so far, and I found that the throttle response was too slow for my liking. It is a relief to hear that the GR86 has a sharper and more aggressive throttle response. I also found the suspension to be too soft in the BRZ, and that the steering was a bit light and vague. I will test drive (perhaps hire from this company) a GR86 to see if it feels more responsive with a harder edge.
(It does seem that that's the point of the brand differences. I've been wondering if the throttle response difference is in the engine tune or the e-throttle pedal setup itself, actually. Also if the BRZ's more set up for less-ideal roads like you might expect of Subie rally heritage, or just a bit more cushy. :) )
@@OllamhDrab i think it's just the tuning for the pedal
Can this be fixed? I just like the face of the BRZ because it looks like it’s smiling. If you know of a bumper for the GR86 that gives it a smile look then please let me know and I’ll go for GR86 instead
@@자시엘 if it's just the tuning for the pedal then yes it can be fixed, although i don't know if you have to do it at 3rd party store or not, but check community to be sure
@@자시엘 TOMS and Pedal Commander make devices that plug in via the OBD2 port and allow you to change throttle response.
I love the BRZ flashing the lights at the Porsche GT3 😆 DK is a beast
Been waiting for this! 👍👍👍😀❤
Aw, I was hoping the tires would match. All we saw was stickier rubber was faster.
So in fact GR 86 was faster
@@zinny999 Yeah, due to having the better tires. It wasn't a pure comparison.
@@Taytayflan You are definitely correct - however if it's what the car comes with then technically it's still 'the car'... but I get what you're saying. Also, we didn't just see a lap time, he specifically said the GR was more fun.
I think I got click baited into watching an ad for a Japanese rental car business - different tires=not a serious comparison!
Exactly this. He sold out and hard
Anxiously awaited for this video....only for a huge let down. Might ad well compare first Generation car to second Generation car since they're using mismatched tires. Like playing a college football team vs an NFL team
These videos deserve alot more views!
Not very fair comparison ...🥲Why not comparing BRZ S 6MT and GR86 RZ 6MT?
Well said
I saw BMW E36 when Keiichi do shakedown of the BRZ.Maybe he can feel the European luxurious performance
Thank you very much! I searched the internet for this answer and your explanation is the best!
Watching you drive fast and push cars is so fun
Thanks you for ENG SUB
Thank you for the english sub.
I dunno why, but same case with FT86/BRZ I would prefer and even buy the GR86 than the newer BRZ, probably because I am a big fan of Hachi Rokus and Toyota.
nice waiting for the release
It must be really cool to drive these cars while listening to CLC KPop! 😆
These cars have different tires though. Wouldn't that impact vehicle dynamics?
My thoughts exactly, primacys vs pilot sports... this felt more like a commercial for the rental rather than a comparison video
Yup, this review was a real let down. Comparing apples to bananas.
Go banana!
Well, the supplied tires when you buy or rent a car are certainly a factor, especially if suspensions are tuned accordingly.
On the other hand if you intend to change your tires out immediately anyway, that may matter less, but I imagine part of the small differences between the cars actually is what kind of people might choose which brand, and maybe be happier with which tire accordingly. It seems clear the GR86 is the more track-oriented setup, and, I dunno, the Subie might be a bit more arthritis-friendly for a daily, (that's becoming a concern for me sometimes) ...and possibly it's also oriented a bit more toward rally-style dirt road stuff, I speculate, perhaps wishfully, cause I love that sort of thing. :)
If I got to compare, say, via convenient rentals, I'd want to find out for myself. :) (I expect it wouldn't be hard to make the E-throttle of either car do the same thing as the other, so that throttle-response concern might not matter much to me. I think I like the Toyota styling just a bit more, and between those two colors, also Toyota wins, but not enough to make the difference. If I were buying, the choice possibly could come down to 'What tires do I get with this.' even as part of the package of minor preferences. :) )
On a nice track, I'd want the Toyota being more taut, but I might even want things a bit more compliant so some of these concrete roads where I am don't make me feel worse. :)
Car and Driver think they are both essentially the same on track, and its in the street where you notice the more tail happy nature of the GR86 a bit more. They actually tested the cars in the same specification as well, not this base vs top trim.
When are you racing it against proper opponents like on best motoring??
great and well delivered review!
*Bonjour ! Konnichiwa ! Thank you for the advice Keiichi !*
*I think the MX-5 ND2 2.0 with Öhlins coilovers and OS GIKEN LSD can be a very fun sports car too !*
*What do you think ?*
Yes but the gearbox is made out of chocolate. Developed for 1.5 engine...
I wish we had this in Australia!
awsome !!
It’s probably just the tires the gr86 had the better tires
What was wheel specification for 235 tire? Thank you
ps4 vs primacy hp....tires is the major factor effecting that time
Oh yeah!
It just showstopper pilot sports are much better track tire then the primacy tires. My guess the Goobie would be quicker with same tires
No microphone while driving hmmmmmm? Could we be hiding some criticism? Or perhaps some bold words hahaha
I know the gr86 overpases the gt86 but i really want one if is used💙
... head-to-head with completely different tires?
IT'S THE SAME CAR. WHAT IS DIFFERENT? THE BADGES AND FACELIFTS
There are way more differences than that. Even the metal used and engine tune
Nice try, but you did not compare comparable models. The premium GR86 has the aggressive tires. But the “premium” BRZ is actually the base model, and it has the poor grip tires. Try comparing the Premium GR86 to the Limited BRZ.
Thats a click-bait rent-a-car ads with a 2 tyre comparison. Not 2 car, its 2 tyre comparison. And you lost the most important 2 shots of video...
I don’t understand why they used different tires when timing the laps between these cars. They used the better tires on the GR86(Pilot Sport 4) and Michelin Primacy on the BRZ which are harder inferior tires not meant for the track. Of course the GR86 will perform better with stickier tires.
Nakayama AE 86
neat
Useless comparison when not the same tyres. May as well compare a Porsche and a bus
Neptune blue gr86 is so much beautiful than brz. I mean the front of the car.
I'd rather take that Porsche thehe
.... still needs a turbo ..
rite
Ok
They the same aren't they
subaru fan boys are getting sour in the comments lol
Huh? They’re both Subarus anyways.
@@MaddNomad1015 exactly my point! But they are so sour for some reason 😂
But they do have their points. Primacy vs Pilot Sports isn't fair at all.
@@engrishsheep but tsuchiya San did not say one is better than the other, plus I’m sure his comments about the cars characteristics already took the tires into his consideration, so what’s there to complain about? Just cuz the brz was slower around that track? 😂 so sour
@@chenyuliu7838 I'm not sure they're fan boys or not. But the video show the track time of both car is quite misleading. Because I want to know how much of a difference between the two on the track. Given two different categories tires on two different cars and comparing them on the track is meaningless.
If they switched the tire around, then showed the GR86 time a lot slower than BRZ. A lot of "Toyota fanboy" would say the same. Then BShitter like you would leave comment like "toyota fan boys are getting sour in the comments lol" (¬_¬ )
No one like DK to explain differences in cars!👏👏🙌🙌💯🫡