The heated discussion under this and previous videos about the northen crusaders made me think about little known fact. In 1414, at the Cuncil of Constance, Polish delegates Paweł Włodkowic (Paulus Vladimiri) and Stanisław of Skarbimierz argued that this whole idea of converting pegans by force should be condemn as heretical.
Great vid, I just think a small detail is worth mentioning, that the old Prussians are not related to modern Germans. From an ethno-linguistic perspective, old Prussians were balts (Lithuanians and Latvians nowadays) and not of Germanic ethno-linguistic group. A vast majority of people when using the term "Prussian" refer to Germans colonists or Germanized balts.
Gladly in German there are different terms for each: "Prußen" or "Pruzzen" for the old Baltic Prussians; and "Preußen" for the Germans living in the region later.
Well, most languages (at least the ones that actually had some contact with both of Prussians) have different words for Baltic and Germanic ones. It's only English that it's lacking :P
This 100 procent true. Rrcantly I found out that some of the prussian language has been recreated. And it sound alot like lithuanian but like latvian with its own twist's, if that makes sence :D
It's interesting how the influence of terrifying multiple Viking raids from the North, soul-crushing multiple Islamic Jihadi raids from the Mediterranean and Spain, which included the sacking of Rome in the 800s and mutliple attacks by pagan nomadic tribes like the Avars from the East turned a mostly peaceful and slow plan of conversion to Christianity into the Deus Vult Convert or Die strategy of later years. In the 500s, just before the rise of Islam a few years later and many years before Vikings would start slaughtering Christians, monks asked Pope Gregory (the Pope who sent missionaries to convert the Anglo Saxons) on how to deal with the pagans, their practices and their temples, once they had converted the population, to which he replied, ".....that the shrines of idols amongst that people should be destroyed as little as possible, but that the idols themselves that are inside them should be destroyed. Let blessed water be made and sprinkled in these shrines, let altars be constructed and relics placed there: since if the shrines are well built it is necessary that they should be converted from the worship of demons to the service of the true God, so that as long as that people do not see their very shrines being destroyed they may put out error from their hearts and in knowledge and adoration of the true God they may gather at their accustomed places more readily." This is far cry of the later years of a Christendom, that was facing attacks from the North, the South and East - what was once a slow conversion to Christianity, with local tussles, alliances and marriage betrothals of Christian princesses to pagan Kings and missionaries establishing monasteries and working with the pagans turned into a "Convert or Die Deus Vult" of later years - shows you what happens when a religion gets shocked into dealing with the reality of the world. There was no way the Christians could continue the slow pace of conversions, with Vikings raiding their monasteries, the Muslims ransacking everything on the Mediterranean coast and all slaughtering their way all the way to Rome and Paris and Avars and other pagan tribes attacking from the East. The Crusade strategy - something that had been developing for a few years in Europe, with the advent of Islam and its new concept of a "Holy War" or "Jihad" would have profound consequences on the Christians and Pagans of Europe. The Eastern Christians of course refused to buy into the concept of a "Holy War" and well, we all know how well they fared - the only Eastern Christians that adopted that concept, the Russians, are today the most powerful for a reason. In this world, fight and die for what you believe in, Deus Vult or Nobis Post Hoc
savioblanc calling the raids jihadi isn’t to accurate. Now all pirates, christian ones too prefer to raid those heathens instead of your own people, it looks more dignified like that. But most pf those raiders/pirates raided for booty, like they always do. The muslims never sacked rome, they ransacked the area outside the walls including some rich churches but didn’t even attempt to take the walls of the city. Then a christian army showed up and they left rome. They never reached paris either, but the vikings. And charlemagne made forced conversions long before the crusades.
I think your view is somewhat misguided, You have to understand that all these conflicts happened at different times with different people and various justifications/circumstances. Christians attacking a pagan group at one place and time is not always connected to some other Christians getting persecuted at another time and place. Not all Christians were going into war out of threat and fear, many did it out of opportunity. There were always be leaders, regardless of allegiance, who start wars because of opportunity, and most wars are just that, wars of opportunity.
Great video as usual, may i recommend adding Year of the issue been discussed to the title of videos after name ie 'Prussian Crusade 1200's ADE' or whatever, when available.
Hey man i really enjoy your vids. I was wondering if you could do the rise and fall of mussolini or the Germany 1918-1980 as thats what were doing in school. Would be highly grateful :D
Prussians lived in the territories that are mostly part of Poland and Russia. Lithuanian part of Prussia is only Klaipeda with its surroundings. And it's a bit silly to assume that people are idiots and it would confuse them, but again, most people don't know where Baltic Sea is.
Once I put the flag of Germany upside down. It was historically accurate to the time (German Unification) but I had to answer a lot of questions as to why. Now, I try to avoid that confusion. And, I'd hazard a guess that most people don't know about Kaliningrad. I could well be wrong, but if I said "Russia" I think most people would automatically go East. It's not saying they're idiots, it just depends where you're from and what you know. For instance, after reading the comments, I now appreciate most people aren't aware of Chinese provinces.
Hey Jabzy, 2:05 , how do we know they agreed the knights could govern Prussia independently? In Poland we are taught they did forge the document giving them this right and did convince the Pope that it's real. Treaty of Kruschwitz. Historicaly controversial thesis.
Same with Teutonic Order they where LIKE State Police For German Roman Imperium. That where Dumbsters read Slavs as Slaves and Teutons as Germans same Prussian as Teutons. Teutons are propably Nemetes tribe and Germans where Western Slavs as Gothic and Saxon was Vandals Slavs.
@@ricardolindo975 Baltai nbuvo pagonys ir priešinosi kryžiuočiams. Baisios žudybės buvo Prūsijoj. Kryžiuočiai prievartavo moteris, pjaustė vaikams akis... tai buvo didžiausia Baltų tragedija... kryžiuočiai išnaikino prūsus, tik maža dalis pabėgo į Lietuvą.
mistake: Livonian knight got defeted at battle of "Saule" by Lithuanian and Semigalian and some Curonian forces, it happened in marshy terain in teritory near modern day "Šauļi" in Lithuania or in "Vecsule" in latvia. And if you need help about history of Latvian i can always help, but my terible wraiting may be an isue.
and in map swod brother already had taken much of Curonia beftore the battle of Saule(sun) or i just dont remeber corectly because i had not learned about it for some time
Yeah, that's what I said, that's why they sort of united with the Teutonic Knights. And the next video should be on the wars with the Curonians and Lithuanians.
Well I think I should have made a separate image. The image I used to show the Livonian Order fighting the Lithuanians showed them winning. But I didn't make a separate image to show them being defeated.
+Aemon Pagans were superior? You mean those Prussian Balts that didn't have any writing and were technologically at tribal level? That never developed a state? And about Rome. While western half fell, eastern survived for another thousand years. The same eastern half, with whole centuries of christian tradition. The same half where Christianity originated. You can't really blame religion on the fall of Rome. It would have happen either way. It's not that Arian or Pagan religion of Germanic tribes had any influence on their invasion or the fall of Rome itself.
Aemon pagan religion is obviously inferior because of the negative impact it's practices have on it's society. In some cases human sacrifice and more commonly polygamy.
Prussian_Kamikaze then that mean your grandpa lived in nazi germany. since east prussia was part of germany that time. i bet he has many intresting stories to tell
Basicaly Konrad of Masovia is responsible for two world wars. No germanic Prussians -> no unification of Germany -> no wars. But also there would be also no Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, without comon anemy. King's Jadwiga another mariage option was a Habsburg - probably Poland would end in (not so) Holly (definitivly not) Roman (rather not) Empire...
Just a little side note, Polish (or German, for that matter) CH is pronounced as KH. And CK is pronounced as TSK. So it's more KHELMNO and PLOTSK. Either way, it's not your fault. It's more a fault of English pronounciation than yours.
The people you call Wends have their name - Serbs. Lusatian Serbs to be precise. Those people are the ancestors of today's Germans. half were killed in crusades and other half were assimilated. Today, only several thousands of Serbs in Germany declares as Serby/Serbja. It is a lie that those people in the time between 10th and 12ve c. were pagan. The truth, that is omitted in every way, is that they were Orthodox and that was bigger thread to Germans than Sorabian "pagans". You clearly said in 1:05 that Germans were destroying churches. What churches, pagan ones or the orthodox ones, make up your mind
Kinezi su srbi.ali niskog su rasta i kosih ociju zbog jakih vetrova na istoku.sve je pocelo kad je mi ci sung(milos cagija sungovic pravo ime) poveo srbski zivalj u praotadzbinu sibir srbir srbiju pred ujkanima koji su genosidisali odojcad.
The heated discussion under this and previous videos about the northen crusaders made me think about little known fact.
In 1414, at the Cuncil of Constance, Polish delegates Paweł Włodkowic (Paulus Vladimiri) and Stanisław of Skarbimierz argued that this whole idea of converting pegans by force should be condemn as heretical.
yeah but they were a tiny minority, germanic idiots running the faith spread it by sword just like their mud relatives in deserts on middle east
@@utvara1 trur
too little too late sadly. that shouldve been deemed heretical in the 11th century
Great vid,
I just think a small detail is worth mentioning, that the old Prussians are not related to modern Germans. From an ethno-linguistic perspective, old Prussians were balts (Lithuanians and Latvians nowadays) and not of Germanic ethno-linguistic group. A vast majority of people when using the term "Prussian" refer to Germans colonists or Germanized balts.
Gladly in German there are different terms for each: "Prußen" or "Pruzzen" for the old Baltic Prussians; and "Preußen" for the Germans living in the region later.
Oh cool, that's interesting. Never knew that.
Well, most languages (at least the ones that actually had some contact with both of Prussians) have different words for Baltic and Germanic ones. It's only English that it's lacking :P
This 100 procent true. Rrcantly I found out that some of the prussian language has been recreated. And it sound alot like lithuanian but like latvian with its own twist's, if that makes sence :D
+Vitalis Dėja lietuvių kalboj tiktais prūsai be yra :D
Polish duke did not allowed crusaders, to keep lands, they will conquest...
They fabiricated documents.
you should do a video on the Norwegian unification which was done by Harald Haarfagre. I would love to help you
It seems like he doesn't even read the comments.
Really great video! I just recommend that if the water can be colored for better viewing? Either way its still good.
It's interesting how the influence of terrifying multiple Viking raids from the North, soul-crushing multiple Islamic Jihadi raids from the Mediterranean and Spain, which included the sacking of Rome in the 800s and mutliple attacks by pagan nomadic tribes like the Avars from the East turned a mostly peaceful and slow plan of conversion to Christianity into the Deus Vult Convert or Die strategy of later years.
In the 500s, just before the rise of Islam a few years later and many years before Vikings would start slaughtering Christians, monks asked Pope Gregory (the Pope who sent missionaries to convert the Anglo Saxons) on how to deal with the pagans, their practices and their temples, once they had converted the population, to which he replied, ".....that the shrines of idols amongst that people should be destroyed as little as possible, but that the idols themselves that are inside them should be destroyed. Let blessed water be made and sprinkled in these shrines, let altars be constructed and relics placed there: since if the shrines are well built it is necessary that they should be converted from the worship of demons to the service of the true God, so that as long as that people do not see their very shrines being destroyed they may put out error from their hearts and in knowledge and adoration of the true God they may gather at their accustomed places more readily."
This is far cry of the later years of a Christendom, that was facing attacks from the North, the South and East - what was once a slow conversion to Christianity, with local tussles, alliances and marriage betrothals of Christian princesses to pagan Kings and missionaries establishing monasteries and working with the pagans turned into a "Convert or Die Deus Vult" of later years - shows you what happens when a religion gets shocked into dealing with the reality of the world. There was no way the Christians could continue the slow pace of conversions, with Vikings raiding their monasteries, the Muslims ransacking everything on the Mediterranean coast and all slaughtering their way all the way to Rome and Paris and Avars and other pagan tribes attacking from the East. The Crusade strategy - something that had been developing for a few years in Europe, with the advent of Islam and its new concept of a "Holy War" or "Jihad" would have profound consequences on the Christians and Pagans of Europe.
The Eastern Christians of course refused to buy into the concept of a "Holy War" and well, we all know how well they fared - the only Eastern Christians that adopted that concept, the Russians, are today the most powerful for a reason.
In this world, fight and die for what you believe in, Deus Vult or Nobis Post Hoc
savioblanc calling the raids jihadi isn’t to accurate. Now all pirates, christian ones too prefer to raid those heathens instead of your own people, it looks more dignified like that. But most pf those raiders/pirates raided for booty, like they always do. The muslims never sacked rome, they ransacked the area outside the walls including some rich churches but didn’t even attempt to take the walls of the city. Then a christian army showed up and they left rome. They never reached paris either, but the vikings. And charlemagne made forced conversions long before the crusades.
I think your view is somewhat misguided, You have to understand that all these conflicts happened at different times with different people and various justifications/circumstances. Christians attacking a pagan group at one place and time is not always connected to some other Christians getting persecuted at another time and place. Not all Christians were going into war out of threat and fear, many did it out of opportunity. There were always be leaders, regardless of allegiance, who start wars because of opportunity, and most wars are just that, wars of opportunity.
Great video as usual, may i recommend adding Year of the issue been discussed to the title of videos after name ie 'Prussian Crusade 1200's ADE' or whatever, when available.
Make a video about the Swedish crusades in Finland.
Hey man i really enjoy your vids. I was wondering if you could do the rise and fall of mussolini or the Germany 1918-1980 as thats what were doing in school. Would be highly grateful :D
The Prussian tribes lived in territories that are now Poland and Lithuania.
I think Kaliningrad is in Russia now.
Yeah, but if I said Russia I think that would just confuse people.
Prussians lived in the territories that are mostly part of Poland and Russia. Lithuanian part of Prussia is only Klaipeda with its surroundings. And it's a bit silly to assume that people are idiots and it would confuse them, but again, most people don't know where Baltic Sea is.
Jabzy i dont think there are alot of these kind of people on a history channel
Once I put the flag of Germany upside down. It was historically accurate to the time (German Unification) but I had to answer a lot of questions as to why. Now, I try to avoid that confusion.
And, I'd hazard a guess that most people don't know about Kaliningrad. I could well be wrong, but if I said "Russia" I think most people would automatically go East. It's not saying they're idiots, it just depends where you're from and what you know. For instance, after reading the comments, I now appreciate most people aren't aware of Chinese provinces.
Jabzy You could have say "the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad". I know that it's a mouthful, but still this is an educational channel.
Nice video
Do one on Vietnam please!
nice video keep it coming but more 1670-1900
Lithuania should own modern day Kaliningrad.
It is clearly Czech territory
No dobt -though as that happens they should give Klaipeda and Palanga to Latvia
this is what i hate from the crusaders, they attack their own christian brother just for money and power
Could you do the Gordon relief expedition?
I talked about it in the Mahdist War Video.
Jabzy thank you!
Song?
Hey Jabzy, 2:05 , how do we know they agreed the knights could govern Prussia independently? In Poland we are taught they did forge the document giving them this right and did convince the Pope that it's real. Treaty of Kruschwitz. Historicaly controversial thesis.
Teutonic knights were infamous due their previous conquests in Hungary, where they also wanted to stay a little bit longer...
Same with Teutonic Order they where LIKE State Police For German Roman Imperium. That where Dumbsters read Slavs as Slaves and Teutons as Germans same Prussian as Teutons. Teutons are propably Nemetes tribe and Germans where Western Slavs as Gothic and Saxon was Vandals Slavs.
Back in a time when christians behaved in the same manner islam does today. Cosmic
@DivineSolja Actually, distant lands like Bangladesh, Malaysia and Indonesia converted to Islam peacefully via traders and missionaries.
@@ricardolindo975 Baltai nbuvo pagonys ir priešinosi kryžiuočiams. Baisios žudybės buvo Prūsijoj. Kryžiuočiai prievartavo moteris, pjaustė vaikams akis... tai buvo didžiausia Baltų tragedija... kryžiuočiai išnaikino prūsus, tik maža dalis pabėgo į Lietuvą.
mistake: Livonian knight got defeted at battle of "Saule" by Lithuanian and Semigalian and some Curonian forces, it happened in marshy terain in teritory near modern day "Šauļi" in Lithuania or in "Vecsule" in latvia. And if you need help about history of Latvian i can always help, but my terible wraiting may be an isue.
and in map swod brother already had taken much of Curonia beftore the battle of Saule(sun) or i just dont remeber corectly because i had not learned about it for some time
Yeah, that's what I said, that's why they sort of united with the Teutonic Knights. And the next video should be on the wars with the Curonians and Lithuanians.
Jabzy oh, then i didnt undertand corectly, my mistake.
Well I think I should have made a separate image. The image I used to show the Livonian Order fighting the Lithuanians showed them winning. But I didn't make a separate image to show them being defeated.
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Protestant Prussia > Pagan Prussia
+Aemon Pagans were superior? You mean those Prussian Balts that didn't have any writing and were technologically at tribal level? That never developed a state?
And about Rome. While western half fell, eastern survived for another thousand years. The same eastern half, with whole centuries of christian tradition. The same half where Christianity originated.
You can't really blame religion on the fall of Rome. It would have happen either way. It's not that Arian or Pagan religion of Germanic tribes had any influence on their invasion or the fall of Rome itself.
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Aemon pagan religion is obviously inferior because of the negative impact it's practices have on it's society. In some cases human sacrifice and more commonly polygamy.
Redsand I'm saying that not all religions are created equal and in a time where every society had a religion maybe Christianity wasn't so bad.
Todesbananez srsly
"3 Minute History"
Battle of the bulge three minute
Loving the tension between christian and pagan euro-IDpol in the comments haha
Any other East Prussians here?
aren't Prussians basically Germans?
Bilal Prussia was like Austria. It was it's own country, untill the unification in 1870.
Prussian_Kamikaze but can mordern day germans call themselfs prussians?
Bilal If their parents or grandparents are from there, yeah. my grandpa grew up in East Prussia but was forced to leave by the Russians during WW2.
Prussian_Kamikaze then that mean your grandpa lived in nazi germany. since east prussia was part of germany that time. i bet he has many intresting stories to tell
But they never took lithuania such poor small country. We know how to fight!
Hello
DEUTSCHLAND IST GEBURT
Welp, you pronounced all the Polish cities wrong :P
Oh you think this is the Prussian Crusade is 4ish minutes? WELL TOO BAD ITS 3 MINUTES CUZ I SAYZ SOOOOOO
what a nice peaceful religion it was!
Pope: Soldiers take out the thrash
Crusaders: ok lol Deus Vult!!
fuck me I'm fifth
Well you'll always be first in my books.
Jabzy I don't know if I'm supposed to be flattered or be excited that you commented to me
I read it "fuck me I'm filth" at first for some reason.
Imposing conversion by warfare doesn't seem very noble of a move for any true Christian..
Basicaly Konrad of Masovia is responsible for two world wars. No germanic Prussians -> no unification of Germany -> no wars.
But also there would be also no Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, without comon anemy. King's Jadwiga another mariage option was a Habsburg - probably Poland would end in (not so) Holly (definitivly not) Roman (rather not) Empire...
What was Russia’s role in this crusade
DEUS VULT
Most nations have armies, Prussia was an army with a nation
Just a little side note, Polish (or German, for that matter) CH is pronounced as KH. And CK is pronounced as TSK. So it's more KHELMNO and PLOTSK.
Either way, it's not your fault. It's more a fault of English pronounciation than yours.
Us pagans fought hard to protect our religion and way of life.
Not hard enough
And lose
3 minutes ? You liar!!!
So, Christianity is curse on humanity.. Conversions Killings and wars..
Even though the Teutons were defeated years later their mission to convert the Prussians and Lithuanians was complete. Ave Maria
They didn't convert the Lithuanians, idiot.
Coconut212 I know that jackass. What I meant was that God answered their prayers. The Grand Duke converted himself through God.
CapitanCookies If you actually knew what you ate talking about you would know that he converted because of secular reasons (to become King of Poland).
The people you call Wends have their name - Serbs. Lusatian Serbs to be precise. Those people are the ancestors of today's Germans. half were killed in crusades and other half were assimilated. Today, only several thousands of Serbs in Germany declares as Serby/Serbja.
It is a lie that those people in the time between 10th and 12ve c. were pagan. The truth, that is omitted in every way, is that they were Orthodox and that was bigger thread to Germans than Sorabian "pagans".
You clearly said in 1:05 that Germans were destroying churches. What churches, pagan ones or the orthodox ones, make up your mind
Kinezi su srbi.ali niskog su rasta i kosih ociju zbog jakih vetrova na istoku.sve je pocelo kad je mi ci sung(milos cagija sungovic pravo ime) poveo srbski zivalj u praotadzbinu sibir srbir srbiju pred ujkanima koji su genosidisali odojcad.
Prussians weren't German you idiot, the Teutonic knights attacking them were German...
Not Serbs but Sorbs
@@robrobski9445 Serbs, Sorbs, Serboi, Sorabi, Sarbi, Sirbi.... it was all the same people SRB