I am a master technician for a dealership for 30 years also and I know for a fact not all master technicians are made the same. Some are just hacks . I have seen guys pass all ASE and no good when it comes to hands on work.I also know how factory training works. One or two guys will be leader of class and most are followers and still pass the class.some guys will be just piss off getting the warranty job because it pays lot less and rush into it. I have seem alot of no good paper only master technician in my life time.....sad to say by its true
@@joeb2588 it's possible from the information I have learned. Total engine failure cases are under 900 . There are more the 250k units sold from 2022 to 2024. IMO if it was a design flaw we would have seen more failures..
@@rottenrottie1515 So you mean to tell me that engines manufactured from different plants ranging from Lexus to Toyota worldwide are accidentally lodging debris in the engine? I dont buy it.
@@AntilleanConfederation This is debunked. There are crowdsource spread sheets of truck owners who not only changed their oil at 5k miles but only used the truck for commuting and groceries. Still there were catastrophic failures you corporate shill.
I currently own a 2023 Tundra and like many people that are in my shoes we are kind of stuck in limbo until we find out what will be the correction. I have been a Toyota owner my whole life and they have earned my trust over the years. I'm not going to panic, I will trust Toyota will do the right thing if they do not they will lose a customer of over 45years that simple.
Japanese investor in Toyota will take this seriously and are probly losing their shit over this engine. As I say that they will find a fixed and make everyone happy..
As a toyota owner, We must demand a new engine and extended warranty of 120k miles, otherwise these greedy execs will slap a band aid on the issue. A short block will not deal with debris that may be lodged in nooks and crannys of the engine. Ask any engineer not on the dime of Toyota. Whats to say that at 100k miles or 150k miles the debris doesnt cause catastrophic failure? Ford and Chevy plopped new engines for their customers with similar issues. Toyota can do the same and must do it.
I had my oil changed this past Saturday. I asked the advisor about the technicians ability to rebuild an engine. He said the exact same thing as you. Toyota will not let anyone not qualified to work on your engine. Good info.
Anything short of a new engine is a band aid for this issue. Come on, you know damn well that the metal debris can hide in nooks and cranny's of the engine. Other manufacturers ponied up and gave the customer new engines when there were similar failures. The block may be a band aid but are you willing to put your career on the line and wager this wont be an issues at 100-150k miles?
I can assure you, it will be a shit job. I’m retired 40+ years, and because of flat rate you will get less than what you deserve. certified or not a technician building an engine in a bay, is not the same as the engine assembly plant, without the metal debris. That’s just negligence on Toyota’s part.
Preach! Toyota should just do the long block swap, then recondition the old ones for future use in Alabama. I half suspect it's a design issue and not a cleaning problem. There has been zero evidence of blocked ports/passages from a new engine.
@@speed8701 Yes, let it be someone else’s problem who chooses to buy that junk. Lemon law would be ideal but these grubby manufacturers will rush repairs. Why should a customer spend 50-80k on a new truck that has a bad engine from day 1? At least on the used market a potential buy can now run the VIN through NHTSA for recalls. The customer who bought new was screwed over.
@@speed8701 So are you saying a customer should be stuck with a timebomb of an engine? Atleast in the used market the customer now has a VIN to run through NHTSA for recalls to make an informed decision. New buyers get screwed over because there was no recall at the time of purchase for this garbage engine. You sound like a dealer.
The whole engine should be replaced without question. And for me personally i don’t feel good about my brand new truck being taken apart then put back together. One small mistake one wire or zip tie or clip installed wrong or pinched wire etc and i now have another problem. Tearing apart a new truck at a dealership no matter who’s doing it is night and day different than at the factory. My tundra was built in February of 2024 so at the moment it’s not being recalled but if it does i will probably just trade or sell it if i can get enough for it to make sense financially. I really like the truck but i just can’t see me keeping it if it’s gotta be torn apart and have the engine replaced. Now if toyota replaced the engine and gave me a extra 100 thousand mile warranty on the replacement engine then i do believe id keep it.
I have a 2024. The whole situation has me slightly nervous, so I got my first oil change done at 900 miles. I plan to see how they handle the 22-23 recall before I jump ship.
Smart move getting the oil change at 900miles do another at 3k then at 5k yeah it’s overkill. But I did this with my 22 Tundra I’m at 25k running smoothly for now
Great advice...I just did the exact thing on my new 2024 Limited at 600 miles...I even opened the filter and paper element for inspection...everything looks excellent and lab results were very good...keeping fingers crossed 🤞
THANK YOU SIR FOR THIS VIDEO TO CLARIFY THIS IMPORTANT TOPIC!!! That’s what I had explained to some people and some of them believe what I said to them and some others simply think that Toyota dealers shops are like small quick lube or small shop…. These kind of myths need to be clarified by people like you! Master Diagnostics Techs! I really appreciate what you posted and that’s why I subscribed right away to your channel when I watched the first 2 videos about this issue… So, Keep it up with the great work!!! So, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME CREATING THESE VIDEOS AND THE TIME THAT YOU EXPEND AT THE DEALERSHIP WORKING WITH OUR CARS!!! GOD BLESS YOU!!!
You are looking for confirmation bias. My friend, we spent 50-80k on these cars expecting a bullet proof power train. Some of us paid markups and its time we demand better from Toyota.
@@BorderTurrets sir, I agree with yur comment too. It’s a lot of money, specially in the new models and we expect a product that matches that kind of money. I’m not biased but what he said in the video is true too. In the past Toyota had the accelerator pedal issue that affected various models, specifically the Camry 2007-2011… Big recall in Toyota’s history… it was around 8M vehicles, if I remember correctly, and it was because an issue with the supplier parts for the US market… At that time, I had a 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid, made in Japan and my car wasn’t in that recall because the supplier for the Japan models was different.. But they decided to include all the Camry’s and that was the recall reached 8M. And they improved and fixed the issue. But as you stated, they have to improve and due the right R&D and testing before launch a new product. Thank you sir! Have a blessed day!
@@raycordero01 We are talking about an engine here not a gas pedal lol. My challenge to the TH-cam toyota techs saying its fine is simple. Would you bet your house or life savings that atleast 85% of these shortblock installs are done properly without issue? None of these techs would ever bet that because they know that these are just titles. Some master techs are just "master" level on paper but hands on they are terrible.
@@BorderTurrets yeah. I used the example of the pedal in terms of how that had handled issues before. But I know, it’s the engine. The main component… Regarding, the techs, it happened too as you stated. I had saw that and not only with Toyota. So I totally agree with you sir. Having said that, that wasn’t my experience with the Toyota dealers that had touched my cars. At least in my case, since I coming from a family that had 3 good mechanics, the first thing that I use to do is tell the service advisor that I know what the issue is, based on my experience, and let very clearly to him that I don’t want any simple tech touch my car. Also, when they give my car, I inspect and test the car close to the dealer in case I need to return back to them again. My service advisor knows how picky I am… lol… Once they replace the oil on my Sequoia and the tech forgot to put the screws back to the skit plate and I immediately told the service advisor. The service advisor immediately took the cat to the shop and they found the screws on the bench. In summary, I agree with you stated about some MT, that’s what I talk to the service advisor to make it clear! Good comment and have a blessed day sir.
Thanks for some great info man. There are so many haters out there, with their opinions who know little of what you’ve just said. I believe it will be a case by case personally. Long blocks will certainly shut the haters up. Toyota is the largest automaker in the world. They have a reputation to uphold and to make right with the wrongs that have occurred. There could be a really high probability that Toyota customers will get long blocks replaced in their vehicles. I’m from Australia, I’m one effected by the diesel particulate filter problem (DPF), that effected 264,000 vehicles (2015-2018 sold in Australia) I received a letter from Toyota saying my Hilux is affected. They gave me another Hilux until the new DPF was installed. Then sent another letter saying they are giving me an extra 10 years warranty for any DPF issues in the future. That’s why I have stuck with Toyota and will continue! It’s gonna be really interesting how this plays out. I feel for those who are going through it Thanks for the video
In the states, car dealerships are some of the most corrupt businesses we have. The majority of dealerships will commit fraud against both Toyota and the customers at every opportunity. There are limits to how well Toyota can control quality in a corrupt dealership.
When that shows up on your Carfax, you’ll lose thousands on that trade-in either at a dealer or private sale. Cell that thing soon as you get it back. Carfax is always delayed. No one will know.
@@yukonstriker1703 There is no design flaw. What are you talking about? Stop listening to TH-camrs that's have no idea what they're talking about. All they do is talk without knowing anything about anything and here we are.
Thanks for the great info. I am also a bit nervous. I love my 2024 Tundra. Today I drove 600 km combined highway and city and got 10.8 L per 100 km - a hell of lot better than my 2010 Sequoia would have done. I did my first oil change at 800 km and just did my second one at 2500 km. Hopefully, it will help avoid the engine failure issue. I will open the oil filtre to check if there are metal debris.
We told ya this would happen. But everyone always said. Toyota has used these engines before… or the famous … it’s a Toyota and the engineers know what they are doing..🤡
Man, when all the smoke clears. Be great for you to tear into a short block and give your personal assessment. There would be a ton of tundra owners wanting to see that.
Great video ... I was waiting for your next video on this issue. I was in the market for a '22 when they first came out but dealership mark-ups forced me into a '21 I found at a BMW dealership 😊
Maybe at his particular dealership, but the many dealers we supply service and parts to (including Toyota) always use their lowest paid, inexperienced mechanics for warranty work. It just makes financial sense, because warranty repairs have the lowest profit margins. If you have a bad Tundra insist they buy it back from you. Your resale value will be horrible when you go to sale the vehicle and an engine replacement should be recorded by the dealer on the trucks history. Most likely the dealers will wholesale the trucks off to the use car and junk yard wholesalers. They are not going to tie up their service departments wasting time with repairs and thus losing money.
A little Emory cloth with buff that crank journal up nicely, some brake clean for the metal shavings and a new oversized bearing should do the trick, save that coolant and pour the oil through a coffee filter and back in the engine. Toyota service info says to do this 😂
I have a 2022 Tundra that I purchased new. My current mileage is 18,500 and although my truck is part of the engine replacement recall that is not what I am complaining about, what I am complaining about is my front passenger window got stuck halfway open/closed and it's been sitting at the dealership for 2 weeks with no parts available to fix it (the cable snapped and motor burned out). They did put me in a rental (tacoma) but they have no idea when the parts will be available to fix my window! This is my 4th Tundra and never had an issue like this with any of my others. I've already called Toyota and they have no idea when parts will be available either. They also said they have no parts to fix the fuel line recall.
I hope they learn one important lesson. That is to make these trucks a lot easier to work on. That will cut the cost of warranty repairs and make the techs a lot happier.
The appropriate level qualified tech doesn’t mean anything these days. Last year I had my new Tacoma clutch pedal assembly replaced under warranty for the notorious creak. The tech left the new pedal with zero free play. ZERO! I immediately took it home and adjusted it since I’m a tech myself, so it’s drivable without wearing out the clutch prematurely.
Another mechanic pointed out that having the engine sit out for days during rebuild (short block route) will almost inevitably result in debris in the engine…plus even with experienced technicians, there are so many parts, fitments, wirings, timings and so forth to get right that the rebuilt engine has a good chance of needing further work. Its simply not the same as a factory engine. If its a design issue which plenty of smart people are arguing this, I want to see them correct the design flaw then replace the faulty engines with redesigned/upgraded engines that will not fail (long block). Mine has 12k on it, I don’t want a rebuilt engine anytime in the next 150k miles.
Just a thought. Is there anyway that a 5.7 engine will fit the new trucks without it being a cluster fuck. And Thank You for taking the time to make this video
I remember when I was asked by a Toyota service manager if I wanted to work there, about 2004. I asked what they would pay and he said his top master tech made $16 an hour flat rate. Implying that was good money, but I was making $22 an hour at an independent shop as a Master Mechanic already. To this day I'm not sure if he was hoping I'd believe him or that's what they really paid those poor guys. ...Warranty times are usually half what they should be on top of that. Hoping things have changed for you guys, or he was full of it. :)
there never gonna tell the truth.... this whole thing is a nightmare for the dealers... they hate ALL recall work...fuck that... these motors are NEVER gonna be the same...
What irritates me is I’m a first time Toyota truck buyer as I have always driven a Ford and have been happy but was looking to drive a different make and model of pickup and was told you can’t go wrong with a Toyota product. The irritating part is that Toyota has known about this engine issue and kept silent about it. I waited out the first model year issues and bought late production 2023 model but of course falling into the February 2023 cutoff manufacturing date. I took possession of my truck on the last week of March 2023 which mean Toyota knew there was a possible issue with the truck that they sold to me and still allowed me to take possession. THEY BETTER BET INSTALLING A LONG BLOCK IN MY $60 truck that probably has lost upwards of 25% of the purchase price in just over a year due to them NOT disclosing these issues SOONER. Short BLOCK is NOT AN OPTION FOR ME!
For those who just bought a Tundra or in the process of purchasing, maybe consider doing your first oil change MUCH faster than the manufacturers' suggestion. Dealer maintenance schedule says the first oil change doesn't happen until SIXTEEN THOUSAND KILOMETERS (10 000 miles) which is completely insane.
@@BorderTurretsnot design flaw, manufacturing process issue. The metal flakes/chips are getting lodged in small oil passage ways. Oil filters normally catch them
I'm really considering trading in my 23 tundra hybrid for Chevy. If toyota did a long block with extended warranty, I wouldn't even consider trading it. Love my Tundra, but no short block.
They didn't include the Tundra Hybrid models in the recall. You may still be in good shape. Toyota customer care is way better than the brand you are considering. My first dealer job was with Cadillac (GM)
The Hybrid isn't a "safety" risk because it still has the hybrid motor and won't lose power while on the highway. There has been a few Hybrids that have eaten bearings. I'm pretty nervous.
It’s been a year since the fuel line recall and that hasn’t been fixed. I’m sure it’ll be a year before my engine is reworked. Don’t lose sleep over this. If you are just traded it in and move on. Life’s too short
The environment at the dealer is not a sterile environment. Which will still allow for debri to get into or on the parts while sitting out waiting to be put back in. So it’s a waste of money imo on Toyotas part.
You can NEVER go wrong with a 4runner, let alone a Trd pro model. The 4runners are bulletproof. I never see them in the shop for major repairs, just maintenance.
The bottom of the engine is not stout when compared to the ford 2.7 turbo that uses iron and has tons of bracing While the Tundra is aluminum and has a lot less bracing. When you use your EYEs..clearly the Toyota has a lot less bracing Than the ford.The Toyota bottom is under engineered and got cheap..and now owners are in trouble. Down the road out of warranty a new engine installed and it fails again some poor person is hung
I hope you understand, neither customers or technicians can make decisions how they want to repair the engine , it is all up to Toyota what they want to do.
Oil analysis won't show the large chuncks. After the bearing burns and the engins stops oil analysis would show the metal in oil but an oil analysis isn't necessary at this point.
Do you think the debris is just lawyer talk for what is actually a design flaw? I know these have an offset crank center and the main caps are no where near as beefy as fords 2.7l tt v6. I own a 2022 tundra SR and am very concerned.
the engine was starved of oil.. Toyota's excuse makes the most sense here... these V35A-FTS engines came out in 2017 and there are LS500s LC300s and Tundras that already have 100k+ on them
I would certainly think that not all engines will be affected, any idea what the percentage of affected engines might be? Right now it looks to be less than .5 %?
Should I worry if my 2023 (built July 23) Tundra does not fall in the recall date range? I doubt they made any revisions after the engine flaws were discovered?
No, i wouldn't be worried. It seems like they narrowed it down to a specific date range of engines that are affected. Even within those affected date ranges, i think only a few will require an engine. Overall, Toyota will not leave you out to dry. At least they acknowledged there is an issue.
Hopefully Toyota doesn't sit on it for too long figuring out a fix. Probably should start pulling oil pans at next service to try and identify imminent failures and get those customers into loaners.
Is there an average number of miles owners are seeing when the engine failure occurs? Or to put it another way... Do the failures happen within a few thousand miles, or can a failure happen at 40k miles?
People still purchase Hyundai and Kia products. I think I would give Toyota a fair chance to make me as happy as I could be considering the inconvenience. Anyone interested in a 2018 Elantra? Anyone. Anyone at all 🦗🦗🦗
Toyota trying to use a short block for the trucks that have had issues is total crap. It should have been a long block. Especially now that they are saying it’s a contamination issue.
Get an attorney. I got one back where they failed to tighten the oil drain plug and then I got another one back where they failed to tighten the oil filter itself, then I got my sons back, where they stripped out to bolts that hold his skin plate on under on the underneath side. There is no way your average guy working in the dealership. Has any idea how to take out a twin turbo V6 and get it all back in there working properly?
Metal shavings in your engine is just excuse for bigger problem because that can check for just oil change but the real problem is they have low quality bearings inside and insufficient oil flow engine design issue, just don’t buy Tundra with turbo because the engine is too small far the body giving too much stress and eventually give up so if you have Tundra now just don’t carry high load and don’t accelerate to quick and change oil every 2500-3500 miles.
Long block and free extended warranty. Anything less and this Hybrid is getting traded for an LZO GMC or Chevrolet. I played this game before with a Ford 6.4L and I was right to trade out early. How Toyota handles this will determine the ultimate resale value of this truck.
There are too many things that can go wrong during and in the reassembly process. I could not trust the entire process was done as new. If I see this in a carfax, I’d steer clear of it.
I hope no one accepts Toyota excuses for not changing these engines. The change, including the engine, is what I paid for my new 2020 Camry. Which, BTW, I dumped before its second change because it was the worst new car I've ever owned. Toyota will give people all kinds of excuses to keep from fixing their new junk.
@@korbekleeninc.974 When a manufacturer starts a recall notice, you know it's bad. this is pretty big, recent news. There are countless examples of people's terrible experiences posted all over the internet, it's widespread, Again, they are shi**ing their pants right now. If you have one, I'd be concerned.
Glad I passed on purchasing a 22 and 23 YM. The depreciation/diminished value on a recalled truck is a loosing deal. No body will want to purchase a recalled Tundra. Hard pass.
I have a 23 tundra build date 6/26/23...i don't understand that Toyota said only trucks built before 2/17/23 had the problem...but now I'm hearing about the 24 popping...anyone get a letter from Toyota yet? How do they notify you about this recall?
I say buy them all back, replace with a real 3/4 ton with an 8 foot box, and the 5.7 or larger, v8...you know,a real truck!!😊 Stop following gm and ford...lead!
This is BS only master techs are allowed to work on the engines, just remember who’s put these engines together and testing them engines Top engineers and Masters techs.
@@pctimber Let's face the facts, all manufacturers have problems, but it is not going to change my mind in thinking I made the right move at this time, and have a much better truck in return, no more wind noise, no dash rattles, no center console rattles, no back window noise, much smoother ride, tighter turning radius, and way better looking, and on top of that it actually sounds like a truck. And not to forget I'm getting better milage, although neither one is great, but I bought the v-6 hoping for better the 14.5 that I was getting the v-8 is getting 15.
@@TheYotaChannel I have to disagree with you about Toyota Service, I drove 70 miles to cancell my service agreement only to be handed a piece of paper and told to go home and get on my computer to do it, when the clown could have taken a few minutes to turn in the cancellation, they sure took the time to cram the service contract down my throat, but can't help cancell. I'm done with Toyota.
Sorry I wouldn’t trust ANY tech to remove all the RTV without getting RTV debris in the engine then put it back together… Subaru dealt with this problem… nah I’ll pass on this crappy engine design… then you get RTV in the pickup tube and oil starvation.. I’ll pass
No long block? HUGE problem for Toyota. I have a 2023 (January 2023 build date) SR5 Sport. If no long block I'll be a thorn in their back over every little issue.... Lemon Law claim will be pursued.
I am a master technician for a dealership for 30 years also and I know for a fact not all master technicians are made the same. Some are just hacks . I have seen guys pass all ASE and no good when it comes to hands on work.I also know how factory training works. One or two guys will be leader of class and most are followers and still pass the class.some guys will be just piss off getting the warranty job because it pays lot less and rush into it. I have seem alot of no good paper only master technician in my life time.....sad to say by its true
Are you buying that it's metal shavings, debris causing the problem? I
@@joeb2588 it's possible from the information I have learned. Total engine failure cases are under 900 . There are more the 250k units sold from 2022 to 2024. IMO if it was a design flaw we would have seen more failures..
@@rottenrottie1515I bet those 900 are the 10k mile oil change crowd and no break in oil changes at 500 or at least 1000 miles. 😂😂😂
@@rottenrottie1515 So you mean to tell me that engines manufactured from different plants ranging from Lexus to Toyota worldwide are accidentally lodging debris in the engine?
I dont buy it.
@@AntilleanConfederation This is debunked. There are crowdsource spread sheets of truck owners who not only changed their oil at 5k miles but only used the truck for commuting and groceries.
Still there were catastrophic failures you corporate shill.
I currently own a 2023 Tundra and like many people that are in my shoes we are kind of stuck in limbo until we find out what will be the correction. I have been a Toyota owner my whole life and they have earned my trust over the years. I'm not going to panic, I will trust Toyota will do the right thing if they do not they will lose a customer of over 45years that simple.
Pretty sure they won’t worry about losing one customer
@@fixedit8689 I’m pretty sure I’m not worried about your opinion
Japanese investor in Toyota will take this seriously and are probly losing their shit over this engine. As I say that they will find a fixed and make everyone happy..
As a toyota owner,
We must demand a new engine and extended warranty of 120k miles, otherwise these greedy execs will slap a band aid on the issue. A short block will not deal with debris that may be lodged in nooks and crannys of the engine. Ask any engineer not on the dime of Toyota. Whats to say that at 100k miles or 150k miles the debris doesnt cause catastrophic failure?
Ford and Chevy plopped new engines for their customers with similar issues.
Toyota can do the same and must do it.
@@BorderTurrets time will tell what happens.
Definitely keeping! I trust Toyota and having a newly minted long block engine in my 2022 Tundra is a beautiful thing!!!
I had my oil changed this past Saturday. I asked the advisor about the technicians ability to rebuild an engine. He said the exact same thing as you. Toyota will not let anyone not qualified to work on your engine. Good info.
It's true. They have certification requirements for each recall they issue.
Anything short of a new engine is a band aid for this issue. Come on, you know damn well that the metal debris can hide in nooks and cranny's of the engine. Other manufacturers ponied up and gave the customer new engines when there were similar failures.
The block may be a band aid but are you willing to put your career on the line and wager this wont be an issues at 100-150k miles?
Did you really think he would tell you other wise?
there not gonna tell u the truth... the janitor is gonna help rebuild it if he s not busy... fuck that... you cant trust anyone
I can assure you, it will be a shit job. I’m retired 40+ years, and because of flat rate you will get less than what you deserve. certified or not a technician building an engine in a bay, is not the same as the engine assembly plant, without the metal debris. That’s just negligence on Toyota’s part.
Preach! Toyota should just do the long block swap, then recondition the old ones for future use in Alabama. I half suspect it's a design issue and not a cleaning problem. There has been zero evidence of blocked ports/passages from a new engine.
I hope so too. I would much rather put a long block in than to install a short block. And Lol, they are not doing that to Alabama.
Or give a new engine like other manufacturers who gave a customer bad engines?
So are you are saying you don't want a rebuilt engine in your car but it's fine for someone else?
@@speed8701 Yes, let it be someone else’s problem who chooses to buy that junk. Lemon law would be ideal but these grubby manufacturers will rush repairs.
Why should a customer spend 50-80k on a new truck that has a bad engine from day 1? At least on the used market a potential buy can now run the VIN through NHTSA for recalls.
The customer who bought new was screwed over.
@@speed8701 So are you saying a customer should be stuck with a timebomb of an engine?
Atleast in the used market the customer now has a VIN to run through NHTSA for recalls to make an informed decision. New buyers get screwed over because there was no recall at the time of purchase for this garbage engine.
You sound like a dealer.
Thanks for the update Jr.
I agree, Toyota does have the money for long blocks and yes it would make your job easier, warranty work never pays. 👍🏼
Thanks for watching. And that's a fact! None of us are fans of warranty work 😮💨
The whole engine should be replaced without question. And for me personally i don’t feel good about my brand new truck being taken apart then put back together. One small mistake one wire or zip tie or clip installed wrong or pinched wire etc and i now have another problem. Tearing apart a new truck at a dealership no matter who’s doing it is night and day different than at the factory. My tundra was built in February of 2024 so at the moment it’s not being recalled but if it does i will probably just trade or sell it if i can get enough for it to make sense financially. I really like the truck but i just can’t see me keeping it if it’s gotta be torn apart and have the engine replaced. Now if toyota replaced the engine and gave me a extra 100 thousand mile warranty on the replacement engine then i do believe id keep it.
I have a 2024. The whole situation has me slightly nervous, so I got my first oil change done at 900 miles. I plan to see how they handle the 22-23 recall before I jump ship.
The issue apparently affects the '24s as well.
Smart move getting the oil change at 900miles do another at 3k then at 5k yeah it’s overkill. But I did this with my 22 Tundra I’m at 25k running smoothly for now
I suggest you get oil samples every oil change
Great advice...I just did the exact thing on my new 2024 Limited at 600 miles...I even opened the filter and paper element for inspection...everything looks excellent and lab results were very good...keeping fingers crossed 🤞
I’m in a 24 also. When i hit my 10,000 change I’ll do an oil analysis. I did 5,000 for the first as well.
THANK YOU SIR FOR THIS VIDEO TO CLARIFY THIS IMPORTANT TOPIC!!! That’s what I had explained to some people and some of them believe what I said to them and some others simply think that Toyota dealers shops are like small quick lube or small shop…. These kind of myths need to be clarified by people like you! Master Diagnostics Techs!
I really appreciate what you posted and that’s why I subscribed right away to your channel when I watched the first 2 videos about this issue… So, Keep it up with the great work!!!
So, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME CREATING THESE VIDEOS AND THE TIME THAT YOU EXPEND AT THE DEALERSHIP WORKING WITH OUR CARS!!!
GOD BLESS YOU!!!
Will do my man, thank you for your kind words.
You are looking for confirmation bias. My friend, we spent 50-80k on these cars expecting a bullet proof power train. Some of us paid markups and its time we demand better from Toyota.
@@BorderTurrets sir, I agree with yur comment too. It’s a lot of money, specially in the new models and we expect a product that matches that kind of money. I’m not biased but what he said in the video is true too. In the past Toyota had the accelerator pedal issue that affected various models, specifically the Camry 2007-2011… Big recall in Toyota’s history… it was around 8M vehicles, if I remember correctly, and it was because an issue with the supplier parts for the US market… At that time, I had a 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid, made in Japan and my car wasn’t in that recall because the supplier for the Japan models was different.. But they decided to include all the Camry’s and that was the recall reached 8M. And they improved and fixed the issue.
But as you stated, they have to improve and due the right R&D and testing before launch a new product. Thank you sir! Have a blessed day!
@@raycordero01 We are talking about an engine here not a gas pedal lol. My challenge to the TH-cam toyota techs saying its fine is simple.
Would you bet your house or life savings that atleast 85% of these shortblock installs are done properly without issue?
None of these techs would ever bet that because they know that these are just titles. Some master techs are just "master" level on paper but hands on they are terrible.
@@BorderTurrets yeah. I used the example of the pedal in terms of how that had handled issues before. But I know, it’s the engine. The main component…
Regarding, the techs, it happened too as you stated. I had saw that and not only with Toyota. So I totally agree with you sir. Having said that, that wasn’t my experience with the Toyota dealers that had touched my cars. At least in my case, since I coming from a family that had 3 good mechanics, the first thing that I use to do is tell the service advisor that I know what the issue is, based on my experience, and let very clearly to him that I don’t want any simple tech touch my car. Also, when they give my car, I inspect and test the car close to the dealer in case I need to return back to them again. My service advisor knows how picky I am… lol… Once they replace the oil on my Sequoia and the tech forgot to put the screws back to the skit plate and I immediately told the service advisor. The service advisor immediately took the cat to the shop and they found the screws on the bench.
In summary, I agree with you stated about some MT, that’s what I talk to the service advisor to make it clear!
Good comment and have a blessed day sir.
Thanks for some great info man. There are so many haters out there, with their opinions who know little of what you’ve just said.
I believe it will be a case by case personally. Long blocks will certainly shut the haters up.
Toyota is the largest automaker in the world. They have a reputation to uphold and to make right with the wrongs that have occurred. There could be a really high probability that Toyota customers will get long blocks replaced in their vehicles.
I’m from Australia, I’m one effected by the diesel particulate filter problem (DPF), that effected 264,000 vehicles (2015-2018 sold in Australia)
I received a letter from Toyota saying my Hilux is affected. They gave me another Hilux until the new DPF was installed. Then sent another letter saying they are giving me an extra 10 years warranty for any DPF issues in the future.
That’s why I have stuck with Toyota and will continue!
It’s gonna be really interesting how this plays out. I feel for those who are going through it
Thanks for the video
In the states, car dealerships are some of the most corrupt businesses we have. The majority of dealerships will commit fraud against both Toyota and the customers at every opportunity. There are limits to how well Toyota can control quality in a corrupt dealership.
I have a 2022 tundra and I would prefer long block. I love the truck. and plan to keep it for 10 years.
We all agree that long blocks should be the answer. Us technicians will be happy and the customer will be happy as well
Got a 23’ 4Runner, probably my last new Toyota.
Toyota is going to have to give me a crate engine to keep me happy. I will jump ship if my brand new truck has a rebuild engine.
When that shows up on your Carfax, you’ll lose thousands on that trade-in either at a dealer or private sale. Cell that thing soon as you get it back. Carfax is always delayed. No one will know.
Crate engine will still have the inherent design flaw.
It's not a 'machining debris' issue.
@@yukonstriker1703 There is no design flaw. What are you talking about? Stop listening to TH-camrs that's have no idea what they're talking about. All they do is talk without knowing anything about anything and here we are.
@@alvarolopez630 lol. Wait for it.
It's not a machining issue.
I work for Toyota 👍
@@yukonstriker1703 the machining issue BS is a false Toyota is lying to protect their ‘reliability’ reputation that’s all they got
Thanks for the great info. I am also a bit nervous. I love my 2024 Tundra. Today I drove 600 km combined highway and city and got 10.8 L per 100 km - a hell of lot better than my 2010 Sequoia would have done. I did my first oil change at 800 km and just did my second one at 2500 km. Hopefully, it will help avoid the engine failure issue. I will open the oil filtre to check if there are metal debris.
Most likely a design flaw and hiding it under “debris” like “national security” when we want to ban something
I purchased my first ever toyota tundra 2023 1794 fell in love with it month later recall not sure how to feel or do
Let's see how Toyota decides to handle it. Hopefully, it will be a long block. Nevertheless, Toyota will take care of their customers.
We told ya this would happen. But everyone always said. Toyota has used these engines before… or the famous … it’s a Toyota and the engineers know what they are doing..🤡
Not much we can do at this point besides trading it for something else. I heard that it's less than 1% of the engines that's failed.
Man, when all the smoke clears. Be great for you to tear into a short block and give your personal assessment. There would be a ton of tundra owners wanting to see that.
I would only want a long block. Thanks for the information.
Toyota does not make long blocks available to anybody. Only short blocks.
Great video ... I was waiting for your next video on this issue. I was in the market for a '22 when they first came out but dealership mark-ups forced me into a '21 I found at a BMW dealership 😊
Nice, you could've easily been one of the many Tundra owners involved in this safety recall. Thanks for the feedback.
Maybe at his particular dealership, but the many dealers we supply service and parts to (including Toyota) always use their lowest paid, inexperienced mechanics for warranty work. It just makes financial sense, because warranty repairs have the lowest profit margins.
If you have a bad Tundra insist they buy it back from you. Your resale value will be horrible when you go to sale the vehicle and an engine replacement should be recorded by the dealer on the trucks history. Most likely the dealers will wholesale the trucks off to the use car and junk yard wholesalers. They are not going to tie up their service departments wasting time with repairs and thus losing money.
A little Emory cloth with buff that crank journal up nicely, some brake clean for the metal shavings and a new oversized bearing should do the trick, save that coolant and pour the oil through a coffee filter and back in the engine. Toyota service info says to do this 😂
I have a 2022 Tundra that I purchased new. My current mileage is 18,500 and although my truck is part of the engine replacement recall that is not what I am complaining about, what I am complaining about is my front passenger window got stuck halfway open/closed and it's been sitting at the dealership for 2 weeks with no parts available to fix it (the cable snapped and motor burned out). They did put me in a rental (tacoma) but they have no idea when the parts will be available to fix my window! This is my 4th Tundra and never had an issue like this with any of my others. I've already called Toyota and they have no idea when parts will be available either. They also said they have no parts to fix the fuel line recall.
I hope they learn one important lesson. That is to make these trucks a lot easier to work on. That will cut the cost of warranty repairs and make the techs a lot happier.
The appropriate level qualified tech doesn’t mean anything these days. Last year I had my new Tacoma clutch pedal assembly replaced under warranty for the notorious creak. The tech left the new pedal with zero free play. ZERO! I immediately took it home and adjusted it since I’m a tech myself, so it’s drivable without wearing out the clutch prematurely.
Another mechanic pointed out that having the engine sit out for days during rebuild (short block route) will almost inevitably result in debris in the engine…plus even with experienced technicians, there are so many parts, fitments, wirings, timings and so forth to get right that the rebuilt engine has a good chance of needing further work. Its simply not the same as a factory engine. If its a design issue which plenty of smart people are arguing this, I want to see them correct the design flaw then replace the faulty engines with redesigned/upgraded engines that will not fail (long block). Mine has 12k on it, I don’t want a rebuilt engine anytime in the next 150k miles.
Just a thought. Is there anyway that a 5.7 engine will fit the new trucks without it being a cluster fuck. And Thank You for taking the time to make this video
Great video very helpful. I have a 23 sr5 and was on the recall...
Brand new designed engine Im currently leasing my 23 tundra, it wasn't designed for a long block, even I am saying good luck on that.
Why do you think it's not designed for a long block?
I remember when I was asked by a Toyota service manager if I wanted to work there, about 2004. I asked what they would pay and he said his top master tech made $16 an hour flat rate. Implying that was good money, but I was making $22 an hour at an independent shop as a Master Mechanic already. To this day I'm not sure if he was hoping I'd believe him or that's what they really paid those poor guys.
...Warranty times are usually half what they should be on top of that.
Hoping things have changed for you guys, or he was full of it. :)
there never gonna tell the truth.... this whole thing is a nightmare for the dealers... they hate ALL recall work...fuck that... these motors are NEVER gonna be the same...
What irritates me is I’m a first time Toyota truck buyer as I have always driven a Ford and have been happy but was looking to drive a different make and model of pickup and was told you can’t go wrong with a Toyota product.
The irritating part is that Toyota has known about this engine issue and kept silent about it. I waited out the first model year issues and bought late production 2023 model but of course falling into the February 2023 cutoff manufacturing date. I took possession of my truck on the last week of March 2023 which mean Toyota knew there was a possible issue with the truck that they sold to me and still allowed me to take possession.
THEY BETTER BET INSTALLING A LONG BLOCK IN MY $60 truck that probably has lost upwards of 25% of the purchase price in just over a year due to them NOT disclosing these issues SOONER.
Short BLOCK is NOT AN OPTION FOR ME!
Love they put long block
The recall fix gonna be a reflective "slow vehicle" safety triangle riveted to the back tailgate, LOL.
For those who just bought a Tundra or in the process of purchasing, maybe consider doing your first oil change MUCH faster than the manufacturers' suggestion. Dealer maintenance schedule says the first oil change doesn't happen until SIXTEEN THOUSAND KILOMETERS (10 000 miles) which is completely insane.
It doesnt matter. There are Tundra owners who changed it before 5k miles and still had engine failures. Its a design flaw.
@@BorderTurretsnot design flaw, manufacturing process issue. The metal flakes/chips are getting lodged in small oil passage ways. Oil filters normally catch them
I'm really considering trading in my 23 tundra hybrid for Chevy. If toyota did a long block with extended warranty, I wouldn't even consider trading it. Love my Tundra, but no short block.
They didn't include the Tundra Hybrid models in the recall. You may still be in good shape. Toyota customer care is way better than the brand you are considering. My first dealer job was with Cadillac (GM)
The Hybrid isn't a "safety" risk because it still has the hybrid motor and won't lose power while on the highway. There has been a few Hybrids that have eaten bearings. I'm pretty nervous.
Chevy dealers are terrible. I came from a Chevy 3.0 diesel to my tundra.
Show us the new blocks post recall. Will the main bearing cap design be different? If so, say no more.
As a technician...this vehicle will never be "like new" again. Do you want a vehicle back after a major collision?
It’s been a year since the fuel line recall and that hasn’t been fixed. I’m sure it’ll be a year before my engine is reworked. Don’t lose sleep over this. If you are just traded it in and move on. Life’s too short
Now you get a new crate engine so the longer you wait the more miles you put on the old engine! Cool
oil passages are to small. the motor is staving for oil.
The environment at the dealer is not a sterile environment. Which will still allow for debri to get into or on the parts while sitting out waiting to be put back in. So it’s a waste of money imo on Toyotas part.
I'm in the process of trading mine in for a 2024 4Runner pro
You can NEVER go wrong with a 4runner, let alone a Trd pro model. The 4runners are bulletproof. I never see them in the shop for major repairs, just maintenance.
Nice. The terra color?
The bottom of the engine is not stout when compared to the ford 2.7 turbo that uses iron and has tons of bracing
While the Tundra is aluminum and has a lot less bracing. When you use your EYEs..clearly the Toyota has a lot less bracing
Than the ford.The Toyota bottom is under engineered and got cheap..and now owners are in trouble.
Down the road out of warranty a new engine installed and it fails again some poor person is hung
@@lrcreamer Wow, what a huge misstep for Toyota.
I’m sure you will get full value for that truck on trade in.
I hope you understand, neither customers or technicians can make decisions how they want to repair the engine , it is all up to Toyota what they want to do.
Oil analysis won't show the large chuncks. After the bearing burns and the engins stops oil analysis would show the metal in oil but an oil analysis isn't necessary at this point.
Guess ima wait and buy a New Tundra Chassis and swap in the 5.7L engine and transmission. Easy done
What are your thoughts on the Hybrids having the engine issues? I have a 23 Tundra TRD Pro. Should I be concerned?
Do you think the debris is just lawyer talk for what is actually a design flaw? I know these have an offset crank center and the main caps are no where near as beefy as fords 2.7l tt v6. I own a 2022 tundra SR and am very concerned.
the engine was starved of oil.. Toyota's excuse makes the most sense here... these V35A-FTS engines came out in 2017 and there are LS500s LC300s and Tundras that already have 100k+ on them
I would certainly think that not all engines will be affected, any idea what the percentage of affected engines might be? Right now it looks to be less than .5 %?
Should I worry if my 2023 (built July 23) Tundra does not fall in the recall date range? I doubt they made any revisions after the engine flaws were discovered?
No, i wouldn't be worried. It seems like they narrowed it down to a specific date range of engines that are affected. Even within those affected date ranges, i think only a few will require an engine. Overall, Toyota will not leave you out to dry. At least they acknowledged there is an issue.
@jrdagreat do you know the specific date range? I can’t seem to find it online
I have a brand new 2024 tundra platinum and I am shaking in my boots! Ford Chevy Dodge are not taking tundra trade-ins anymore! 😮
Trading my 2023 for a titan pro4 v8 this weekend
Hopefully Toyota doesn't sit on it for too long figuring out a fix. Probably should start pulling oil pans at next service to try and identify imminent failures and get those customers into loaners.
Is there an average number of miles owners are seeing when the engine failure occurs? Or to put it another way... Do the failures happen within a few thousand miles, or can a failure happen at 40k miles?
People still purchase Hyundai and Kia products. I think I would give Toyota a fair chance to make me as happy as I could be considering the inconvenience.
Anyone interested in a 2018 Elantra? Anyone. Anyone at all 🦗🦗🦗
Toyota trying to use a short block for the trucks that have had issues is total crap. It should have been a long block. Especially now that they are saying it’s a contamination issue.
If it’s just a short block I’m out. The only acceptable repair is a long block.
I got the 10 year warranty I’ll keep mine my very first Toyota!
What does Toyota pay for shortblocks
Twin turbos for small motor ????
Get an attorney. I got one back where they failed to tighten the oil drain plug and then I got another one back where they failed to tighten the oil filter itself, then I got my sons back, where they stripped out to bolts that hold his skin plate on under on the underneath side. There is no way your average guy working in the dealership. Has any idea how to take out a twin turbo V6 and get it all back in there working properly?
he explained that... you got a "speedy tech" that does oil and tire rotations. Toyota reserves engine work for qualified master tecs
Now is the time to buy a new tundra. Buy in the dip.
no! HOdL! hodl!
Metal shavings in your engine is just excuse for bigger problem because that can check for just oil change but the real problem is they have low quality bearings inside and insufficient oil flow engine design issue, just don’t buy Tundra with turbo because the engine is too small far the body giving too much stress and eventually give up so if you have Tundra now just don’t carry high load and don’t accelerate to quick and change oil every 2500-3500 miles.
Long block and free extended warranty. Anything less and this Hybrid is getting traded for an LZO GMC or Chevrolet. I played this game before with a Ford 6.4L and I was right to trade out early.
How Toyota handles this will determine the ultimate resale value of this truck.
Tundra trade ins are being denied, better hurry and find a clueless dealer.
There are too many things that can go wrong during and in the reassembly process. I could not trust the entire process was done as new. If I see this in a carfax, I’d steer clear of it.
Just shoe horn in a 5.7. Twin turbo v8.
It doesn’t matter how good the tech is. It WILL be a rush job, period!
I hope no one accepts Toyota excuses for not changing these engines. The change, including the engine, is what I paid for my new 2020 Camry. Which, BTW, I dumped before its second change because it was the worst new car I've ever owned. Toyota will give people all kinds of excuses to keep from fixing their new junk.
Bad engine design. It's not "debris". Toyota is currently s**tting their pants.
You are correct sir
wrong
Less than 1% engine failures is a bad engine design huh LOL
@@korbekleeninc.974 When a manufacturer starts a recall notice, you know it's bad. this is pretty big, recent news. There are countless examples of people's terrible experiences posted all over the internet, it's widespread,
Again, they are shi**ing their pants right now. If you have one, I'd be concerned.
@@Doomzdayxx but your name is doomsday LOL
buy them back and send them back to the factory
In CarCareNut we Trust!
CarCareNut suspiciously quiet on the issue lol. Im sure he's asking Toyota for talking points.
@@BorderTurretsshill-bot sock-puppets paid by Toyota
How Toyota let you post this videos ?
Glad I passed on purchasing a 22 and 23 YM. The depreciation/diminished value on a recalled truck is a loosing deal. No body will want to purchase a recalled Tundra. Hard pass.
I'll probably drop it off at the bank if they simply just do a rebuild. New truck or new engine is the only solution.
I have a 23 tundra build date 6/26/23...i don't understand that Toyota said only trucks built before 2/17/23 had the problem...but now I'm hearing about the 24 popping...anyone get a letter from Toyota yet? How do they notify you about this recall?
I say buy them all back, replace with a real 3/4 ton with an 8 foot box, and the 5.7 or larger, v8...you know,a real truck!!😊
Stop following gm and ford...lead!
😂
Wishful thinking
How Toyota let you do that
If they dont give me new engine i leave Toyota
New engine design to much play on top turbo have to much powerful for this design
Long block or nothing.
This is BS only master techs are allowed to work on the engines, just remember who’s put these engines together and testing them engines Top engineers and Masters techs.
I fixed my Tuntra problem, I traded my 2023 1794 Tundra for a 2024 GMC Denali.
My first tech job was with Cadillac (GM). Not to make you regret your purchase, but Toyota customer service care is way better than other competitors.
If it has the 6.7 that motor throws rods. I was going to get one and the dealer had 5 or six with blown motors waiting for parts
@@pctimber Let's face the facts, all manufacturers have problems, but it is not going to change my mind in thinking I made the right move at this time, and have a much better truck in return, no more wind noise, no dash rattles, no center console rattles, no back window noise, much smoother ride, tighter turning radius, and way better looking, and on top of that it actually sounds like a truck. And not to forget I'm getting better milage, although neither one is great, but I bought the v-6 hoping for better the 14.5 that I was getting the v-8 is getting 15.
@@TheYotaChannel I have to disagree with you about Toyota Service, I drove 70 miles to cancell my service agreement only to be handed a piece of paper and told to go home and get on my computer to do it, when the clown could have taken a few minutes to turn in the cancellation, they sure took the time to cram the service contract down my throat, but can't help cancell. I'm done with Toyota.
Sorry I wouldn’t trust ANY tech to remove all the RTV without getting RTV debris in the engine then put it back together… Subaru dealt with this problem… nah I’ll pass on this crappy engine design… then you get RTV in the pickup tube and oil starvation.. I’ll pass
No long block? HUGE problem for Toyota. I have a 2023 (January 2023 build date) SR5 Sport. If no long block I'll be a thorn in their back over every little issue.... Lemon Law claim will be pursued.