That even major brands now show interest in this segment is largely thanks to RE, in my opinion. The Indian success story has gained followers and other brands are now also keen to try to cash in on this. And propably kicking themselves for not going there earlier. This bike is very important for RE so I am sure that it will be a good one. And propably will sell really well. Will be interesting to follow how it turns out.
You gotta love Royal Enfield. It seems they are the only ones who truly know what bikers around the world truly desire. If only they had a high performance naked bike.
I used Himalayan 2022 model for touring ladakh Himalaya region in india. Which is 10,000+ feet high location but riding that bike make sense to me. When there's lack of oxygen the engine performed well and for off-road the tire is good. Can't wait to try out this new Himalayan
I'm happy to see more bikes in the small to middle weight class of adventure bikes. Will be interested in how it actually feels weight wise and how it works off road. As always thanks from the Kootenays of BC.
@chrispekel5709 The GS is 16 years old... It served it's purpose. I see it more as a replacement for my T7. I have a huge struggle to pick it up when it lies on the ground. Getting old I guess Of course I will give it a testride first... But hey, It's not here yet (Belgium)
Interesting how manufacturers seem to constantly chase Enfield while criticising their bikes Yet only compete using machines costing thousands more. I dont like adv bikes at all, as said most of the time they are road ridden and are a huge compromise compared to either pure road or pure off road bikes. But still think this very affordable Enfield ADV machine will sell really well .
I still think that RE's lack of secrecy with this bike is to keep us distracted while they work on something bigger. I personally don't think this will be their only dive into liquid cooled bikes, maybe a more powerful twin is on the horizon.
The fuel is not as high as you think. On top of the fueltank is the airfilter. Anyhow absolute weight says nothing. my GS (240 kgs) is easier to pickup then my T7 (200 kgs)
Great video. Will you be doing a video on the triumph scrambler 400x. Would be great to get your thoughts on the triumph. Wondering if it would do better on the trail you had the Honda scrambler on. Thanks for all your great content . Ed
This is a nice step up from the 400, but I'm still hoping they pop the 650 twin into an ADV frame and make the Super Himalayan (or something less nerdy sounding).
Not sure. KTM has something called the 2024 KTM 390 ADVENTURE SW under wraps which is said to be a more "off road" upgraded 390 and under 380lbs. I thought it would be announced at EICMA but KTM is only dropping hints so far. I like the RE 450 but with any new bike model, I would wait 2 years so the real world bugs can get worked out but for me, it does check all the boxes. Well done RE.
Nah! None of the KTMs have a capable engine with low-down torque! These are their street bikes in ADV clothing and they arent a patch on the purpose-built Himmy...I cant understand bikers making these comparisons!
KTM will put the bored out 399 cc engine in the Adv eventually, the one just announced for the updated Duke. That will have better performance than the Himalayan 452 esp as the weight will be almost 20 kg less.
I really like it, and it will be a big seller for RE. However, I still don't understand how it is possible that modern manufacturers cannot seem to keep the weight down of their single cylinder ADV bikes. A Suzuki DRZ400 (as from 2000) weighs only 320 LB (although produces a bit less HP than the RE Hima). The same for the BMW G650X: in 2006 it weighed approx 320 LB, and produced a similar amount of HP as the RE. Only the more expensive brands (like e.g. the KTM 390 Adventure ) manage the weights OK-ish in their modern models. Why are these modern bikes so heavy? Is it the electronics? The ABS?
I think weight becomes less of an issue if a) it’s not used in enduro style off road and b) if the seat height is low (easy to dab your feet down in a river crossing) and c) the bikes centre of gravity is low.. the opposite of a Tenere 700
Blame governments for 'requirements' ABS adds weight, Liquid cooling ads weight, Catalytic converts add weight. Add to that the need to keep stuff cheap to keep the bike affordable.. and weight is gonna be there. I'm with you, I'd kill for a simple ADV or simlar bike under 375LBS ready to ride with enough power to not make me feel vunerable if I have to hit the interstate. I'd kill for a less proprietary G650 XCountry...
It may be a multitude of factors. Yes, ABS and big catalytic converters add to weight. Considering how lean engines are made to run these days, they probably need extra material to be more robust.
The biggest USP for this bike is low seat height with that much travel and off road capability. There’s not much out there like it, the only bike that potentially equals that is the CFMoto 450 MT
I have major reservations about CFMoto 450 MT! My previous experience with them has been a big big letdown. On the other hand my RE 650 INT has been fantastic.
Don't forget that most probably a triumph tiger 400cc it's on away and KTM has the 390adv that just need higher suspension and 21 rin to compete with the new Himalayan
@@chrispekel5709 Its 450NK & 700CL-X Adventure! Their reliability & availability of spare parts has been a big letdown. Also there A.S.S has been below par & the local staff the less said the better. Will sell the 450NK by Dec & the 700 by next Feb!
International models will come with cross-spoked rims with tubeless tires while the local stock will come with tube-type tires and regular spoked rims.
It looks like Royal Enfield did it with this bike, just wish they would sell them on Prince Edward Island Canada. I like the 350 but do wish they would of went with a 15 liter gas tank on them all. Love the Classic but the smaller gas tank, would lead me to the Metro, and do wish they would went with a 500cc single, Had the 500 cc bullet and loved it, that is one bike I wish I would of keep I love the heal toe shifter and wish they would of went with a kick start. This 452cc looks like a great bike, and do want to put one in my stable but , need to see more of the specks like gas tank size, and how far you can get on a tank of gas.
@@samhaokip9126 Which model do you have that has a 17 liter tank, the only one I see is the 452 the classic is a 13 liter and the Metro is a 15 liter. hear in Canada and the USA
Royal enfield has Dakar ambitions, one of the reason they developed a liquid cooled 450, and one of the member from design team have said the Himalayan is not the top model in it's sub category of royal enfields that would share the same frame and engine. We know there is a scrambler and a roadster/naked version with the same engine, so there is a high possibility they would bring in a enduro version which is lighter and more powerful and more offroad/rally focused which would sit on top the himalayan 450 range.
This is the bike im going to be keeping s close eye on. Its damned close to being the unicorn. With a lithium ion battery and the crash stuff removed it would be probably sub400lbs. Also remember id you are going on a shorter ride you could easily ride with half a tank of fuel, further reducing weight.
well ... i m going you some months back ! Do you remember when you have the Tenere 700 and you put the mivv exhaust?? well i want to ask you if when remove the baffle the bike was losing some power? Did you notice something like that????
Good motorcycle.. The only issue is this is a cheap motorcycle in INDIA by the time it gets to Canada it's almost 10k!.. taxes.. shipping.. etc import duties..if Canada let this in the country and it was less than 7k out the door it would Sell ❤
How are Enfields selling in Canada? The dealers around here are clogged with them. One dealer in the northeast USA is selling new Interceptor 650's for $4995 US with no prep fee and no delivery fee. Just pay for the bike plus tax.
Hopefully, Noraly AKA Itchy Boots, gets one of these free, Honda, those cheap bastards, should've for all the positive free, PR she did with that 250 and the 300 ought to've given a free bike or an audition to replace Marquez . Jeesh. I very much enjoy your slightly sardonic descriptions. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
Weight - Metal in RE providing durability/longevity Vs cheap plastics is most other brands, hence less weight. Does RE feel heavy while driving? no not at all in my opinion. Just my take
I really like what this company is trying to do and given what I have been able to learn so far it all seems very good to me. But it will probably take a bit of time to see if Royal Enfield's new first effort at a liquid cooled engine is reliable. Provided it proves so, it will depend upon it having a low enough seat height (31") and the price in the USA. Specs, sheer numbers and reviews by others are helpful and necessary, but never tell the whole story or tell me what I really need to know. It will come down to actually seeing it in person and the all- telling test ride. if all the planets align, and I hope they do, there will be one in my garage.
On the 411 You forgot the extra low seat and high pegs which caused knee fatigue as well as a sharp edged fuel tank that for six footers hit the inside of the knee very painfully. Other than that it was a perfect cheap adv. I suspect that after a 5-7 year run of the new wc engine RE will dial it in. For new adopter bravery we cheer 🍻🍻🍻 Thanks 🙏 P.S. Cruise Control on a 450 Indian single would have made it a unicorn 🦄 But so would a pair of rocket boosters on the side 😝😝
That 411 wasn't supposed to leave the shores of India where the average male height is 5.6 in feet...that the bike has become this loved across the globe is nothing short of a miracle!
So many choices now in this range buy nothing worth getting rid of my versys 300 for. If this had more power, cruise control and some wind protection it might peak my interest.
Don’t really care about weight, I want fuel economy… my klr gets 58-65 mpg if I’m easy on it and it’s a tank! Now admittedly I haven’t had to pick up my bike hurt but the times I have picked it up weren’t a problem.
Price will be a big factor, and concern. The increased performance will be worth it but having rider modes with 39.5 hp is a waste of chipsets. That's still not much power. Color TFT display will cost a lot and well I don't look at anything more than speed and odometer while riding. I'm interested in the bike but price will be a big factor. Based on weight of 350 pounds, sounds like the ideal ADV bike is the DR650. Really what is there in the ADV world under 400 pounds besides the CRF300L Rally?
@@cowmath77wet weight I'm seeing listed is 395, and it's a scrambler. Plus no suspension travel or ground clearance listed but I'm guessing it's a lot less than the 410 Himalayan or a CB500X for that matter cause it's a Speed 400 with a 19" front wheel. This is about ADV bikes, not street bikes with an appearance package.
@@cowmath77The Himalayan has 200 mm suspension travel, not 195 mm unless you were talking about the Triumph Scrambler 400X which has 150 mm suspension travel front and rear, just like the KTM 390 Duke (not Adventure).
@@cowmath77 Ah, yes. That's respectable for a soft trail bike. As an adventure bike, I think the Himalayan is a better option. The weight difference is a small sacrifice. The international spec Scrambler 400X at 179 kg is about 17 kg lighter than the Himalayan 450. The Indian spec 400X gets stronger wheels to cope with local roads plus some small accessories so at 185 kg it is only 11 kg lighter than the Himalayan 450 (196 kg). The fact that the Speed 400 and Scrambler 400X had to be equipped with stronger and heavier wheels to cope with Indian roads says something.
@@cowmath77 Adventure is what you make of it so any bike can do what you want it to but some bikes will be better off the road than others. The Triumph puts out the same amount of power as the Himalayan and 2.5 Nm of torque less so the Himalayan obviously has more performance. Won't the new 2024 KTM 390 Duke be better than the 400X since it is lighter, has only 12 mm less ground clearance, the same suspension travel and more power?
That is one of the few words I can clearly understand from the Indians when they are speaking, lol ! To think I have been mispronouncing it all these years, wow !
The NX seems very close to the CB500X which is a great bike but not as off road capable. It's about time Kawasaki put at least the 400 or the new 450 in the Versys.
Liquid cooled isnt necessarily more reliable. Id say they're less reliable, they can just make more power. A coolant leak into the engine can destroy the whole thing, while air cooled engines can be fixed almost indefinitely
I guess it's the trade off between 10 out of 10 reliability vs 9 out of 10 but better performance. Considering how many scooters and bikes are now watercooled in the developing world I think that people want it these days. When you're comparing 11hp to 16hp it is substantial
True, but air cooled motors expand more when warm and put more stress on the parts. I'm sure RE stress tested this thing to the max as they don't want their reputation for reliability to suffer.
I would hold off on mentioning unicorn until Triumph's 400 goes on sale. Yes they are both Indian-made bikes but Himalayan has a reputation for being like an old farm tractor. Which is not to say it's charming - just rough, ready, not pretty and slow.
The weigth is almost as Tenere 700, but the power are less and the off road capability are cleary less, and Yamaha's reliability is out of any discussion, so... why is the unicorn? If it's not for the price, the heigh and the classic look (so personal), why I have to buy having a Himalayan and not a Tenere?
It is all about prices and availability. In my country, a lots of motorcycles are not even for sale. And the ones that are, cost a lot more then in other countries. A versys 300 costs 2 and a half Himalayan (the old model). In here the crf 250 rally or the 300 does not exist, same as the suzuki drz400. Hell, not even the gixxer 250 is sell here. And the klr 650 costs 18.000 dollars!. So if the price is good, every one here is going to buy the Himalayan, as I did with the 411 bs4.
@@DifferentSpokesTV Honda is the one with a monopoly here, but RE is taking a lot of marketshare. Problem with Honda is that here is not selling all the models, and the ones that they do, the prices are high.
No. The unicorn should have an 18'' rear wheel, greater suspension travel and a monoshock with vanes, a more joyful engine and better final speed, also a headlight that at least shines well. In addition, this Himalayan is still very heavy and has limited clearance from the crankcase to the ground taking into account its long wheelbase. As if that were not enough, the maximum seat height is 845 mm (33.3''), so it is not a motorcycle designed for tall people. Is it good for adventure? yes, more than before. Is it useful for traveling? of course, more than its previous version. But for several reasons it will suffer off-road compared to a 50/50... and the unicorn should be, above all things, as capable on the road as it is off-road. Instead, I see the Himalayan as a scrambler with a 21'' front wheel. With the title answered, now yes, I will watch your video to find out if we agree a lot, a little, not at all. I hope you make me change my mind.
I have a Scram, based on the previous model. It's a nice machine and ideal for what I use it for. However, this one really tickles my fancy, so I might swap out the Scram for one of these.
I think CFmoto has released the most amount of new models with their CLX range on top of their old overseas models, and they have more coming like a 450 naked, 450 adventure...but RE seem to be close second
For those who want this bike, I highly highly suggest you take it for a spin first. I did in SE Asia trip for Pan-Indo route trip with 2019 model. I can safely tell you that I am NOT buying this bike.
The Himalayan 450 has only just been launched and it isn't even in showrooms yet. How did you ride it in 2019? Or are you talking about the Himalayan 411 which has a different design and everything else.
@@LooxJJ Well, the new Himalayan has been getting great reviews from moto journalists - excellent suspension, good brakes, good performance, etc. Real world feedback has yet to be seen, though. If the quality level is anything like their latest bikes, I think this one is likely to be great. But you have a lot more options in the US than anywhere else.
I have a 2021 Himalayan. Total junk. Battery can't hold a charge (phantom draw)...bad electrical problem no one can solve. Horrible fit and finish. Dealership had it for months. It's been so disappointing that I'm selling it with only 700-miles on it. Don't fool yourself into believing you can get a quality ride for one third what all other equivalent bikes cost. A pretty video and a paid spokesperson does not equal a decent ride.
After owning RE Classic 350 for year and half, I don't want RE anything ever again. Absolutely the worst mechanical experience of my life and more problems with it in 1200 miles than on three Japanese bikes in 35k miles. I still love the looks and feel of that bike but, I'm at the breaking point at getting rid of it and just forgetting that RE exists.
The Unicorn has existed since 1996, the DR650. Throw on it new suspension, bars, pegs, a tank, a pumper carb, replace the heavy exhaust, and add a quad lock for your phone and BINGO, a Unicorn for under 10 grand. Wind protection is on you. My 300+ bench press provides all the wind protection I need! 😂
Yep, but it's not on sale in most places and might be phased out in Canada and the us if the regulators have their way. It's cool that we still have them though.
That even major brands now show interest in this segment is largely thanks to RE, in my opinion. The Indian success story has gained followers and other brands are now also keen to try to cash in on this. And propably kicking themselves for not going there earlier. This bike is very important for RE so I am sure that it will be a good one. And propably will sell really well. Will be interesting to follow how it turns out.
Catalytic converters. Also RE gives metal tank, centre stands, sump guard as standard.
I’d say KLR and DR650 has been there for close to 30 years….far better than Himalayan on what it does. :D
@@LooxJJNot the point! It never got accessible! RE Himalayan is more all rounder than Kawa!
Yes, and I'm looking forward to seeing this engine in more bikes.
@@LooxJJnot to mention Yamaha selling capable off-readers word wide since the 1970’s. There’s some right old crap on here sometimes!
You gotta love Royal Enfield. It seems they are the only ones who truly know what bikers around the world truly desire. If only they had a high performance naked bike.
They could build a small one around this engine.
You can always mod Himalayan.
This bike could actually make me get into ADVs.
Having it as a second bike would be quite the nice idea.
Why not a dual sport ?
@@carlosandleon I am short.
Great way to get into it without breaking the bank.
Exactly what I did 😎 awaiting delivery by early February 🥳
I used Himalayan 2022 model for touring ladakh Himalaya region in india. Which is 10,000+ feet high location but riding that bike make sense to me. When there's lack of oxygen the engine performed well and for off-road the tire is good. Can't wait to try out this new Himalayan
I’ve never thought of this new Himmy as being the unicorn. That’s not a criticism-it’s just it’s own thing!
It's definitely unique.
Nice to see the competition ramping up
Yep, stay tuned for a unicorn comparison.
@@DifferentSpokesTV is the new GSX on sport tourer on the menu any time soon?
I'm happy to see more bikes in the small to middle weight class of adventure bikes. Will be interested in how it actually feels weight wise and how it works off road. As always thanks from the Kootenays of BC.
NP. Thanks for the comment! This segment is important in getting folks into ADV.
I have a GS 1200, a T7 and a Himy 411.
Will sell them all and buy this UNICORN.
What I look forward to the most ?
The free space in my Garage.
You should ride it first and see if it truly is. My guess is you'll still want to keep the GS
Yes, it'll make more room to buy other bikes!
@chrispekel5709 The GS is 16 years old... It served it's purpose.
I see it more as a replacement for my T7.
I have a huge struggle to pick it up when it lies on the ground.
Getting old I guess
Of course I will give it a testride first... But hey, It's not here yet (Belgium)
@@himydad1499 fair enough! Good luck
Interesting how manufacturers seem to constantly chase Enfield while criticising their bikes
Yet only compete using machines costing thousands more.
I dont like adv bikes at all, as said most of the time they are road ridden and are a huge compromise compared to either pure road or pure off road bikes.
But still think this very affordable Enfield ADV machine will sell really well .
Yep, I see Royal Enfield continuing to grow, especially if they put this new engine in more bikes. Maybe a scrambler or super moto.
Glad to see you're still making videos Mr. B!
I still think that RE's lack of secrecy with this bike is to keep us distracted while they work on something bigger. I personally don't think this will be their only dive into liquid cooled bikes, maybe a more powerful twin is on the horizon.
Well the wet weight may not have come down as much as we may wish but the fuel tank does look bigger 🤔
17 litre fule tank vs 15 in old one
Liquid Cooled engine, plus RE uses metal more than plastics as compared to other manufacturers. USDs amongst others add weight!
Yes, two extra litres.
The fuel is not as high as you think. On top of the fueltank is the airfilter.
Anyhow absolute weight says nothing. my GS (240 kgs) is easier to pickup then my T7 (200 kgs)
I believe my Norden 901 is the unicorn of motorcycles. Love it.
Can't wait to buy it
Good review man. I did see the ‘Itchy Boots’ and ‘Fort Nine’ vids. The fort nine vid surprised me.
I love my CRF300 Rally, but, l think the new Himalayan 452 is going to be in my garage instead.
It's a lot more power.
Great video. Will you be doing a video on the triumph scrambler 400x. Would be great to get your thoughts on the triumph. Wondering if it would do better on the trail you had the Honda scrambler on. Thanks for all your great content . Ed
I'll try to get some Triumps to test for next summer. Not sure how much of a press fleet they have in Canada.
This is going to be my first ADV for sure, they have made a really nice bike. I own a royal enfield standard i might exchange it for this one.
This is definitely the most versatile RE.
This is a nice step up from the 400, but I'm still hoping they pop the 650 twin into an ADV frame and make the Super Himalayan (or something less nerdy sounding).
We don't like high power . We want both moderate power with better mileage . Best of both worlds 😉
Not sure. KTM has something called the 2024 KTM 390 ADVENTURE SW under wraps which is said to be a more "off road" upgraded 390 and under 380lbs. I thought it would be announced at EICMA but KTM is only dropping hints so far. I like the RE 450 but with any new bike model, I would wait 2 years so the real world bugs can get worked out but for me, it does check all the boxes. Well done RE.
Yes, I heard about the KTM but they're taking their time.
Why oh why does the KTM have to be so ugly
Nah! None of the KTMs have a capable engine with low-down torque! These are their street bikes in ADV clothing and they arent a patch on the purpose-built Himmy...I cant understand bikers making these comparisons!
KTM will put the bored out 399 cc engine in the Adv eventually, the one just announced for the updated Duke. That will have better performance than the Himalayan 452 esp as the weight will be almost 20 kg less.
It looks great in black and yellow. Looks like I will get one as soon as I get my A2 license! (2nd exam due November 21)
I really like it, and it will be a big seller for RE. However, I still don't understand how it is possible that modern manufacturers cannot seem to keep the weight down of their single cylinder ADV bikes. A Suzuki DRZ400 (as from 2000) weighs only 320 LB (although produces a bit less HP than the RE Hima). The same for the BMW G650X: in 2006 it weighed approx 320 LB, and produced a similar amount of HP as the RE. Only the more expensive brands (like e.g. the KTM 390 Adventure ) manage the weights OK-ish in their modern models. Why are these modern bikes so heavy? Is it the electronics? The ABS?
To bring down weight, you have to use more plastic than what RE is willing or use an aluminium frame which will make the bike expensive
I think weight becomes less of an issue if a) it’s not used in enduro style off road and b) if the seat height is low (easy to dab your feet down in a river crossing) and c) the bikes centre of gravity is low.. the opposite of a Tenere 700
Blame governments for 'requirements'
ABS adds weight, Liquid cooling ads weight, Catalytic converts add weight.
Add to that the need to keep stuff cheap to keep the bike affordable.. and weight is gonna be there.
I'm with you, I'd kill for a simple ADV or simlar bike under 375LBS ready to ride with enough power to not make me feel vunerable if I have to hit the interstate.
I'd kill for a less proprietary G650 XCountry...
It may be a multitude of factors. Yes, ABS and big catalytic converters add to weight. Considering how lean engines are made to run these days, they probably need extra material to be more robust.
Comes down to the frame and stripping the bike of all amenities. RE gives you some goodies with the Himalayan.
The biggest USP for this bike is low seat height with that much travel and off road capability. There’s not much out there like it, the only bike that potentially equals that is the CFMoto 450 MT
I have major reservations about CFMoto 450 MT! My previous experience with them has been a big big letdown. On the other hand my RE 650 INT has been fantastic.
Yes, the other manufacturers are now offering factory lowering on more off road bikes which is great for smaller riders.
Don't forget that most probably a triumph tiger 400cc it's on away and KTM has the 390adv that just need higher suspension and 21 rin to compete with the new Himalayan
@@BlackHawkTejas I've had 2 and they have been great, which model did you have? Not arguing just curious
@@chrispekel5709 Its 450NK & 700CL-X Adventure! Their reliability & availability of spare parts has been a big letdown. Also there A.S.S has been below par & the local staff the less said the better. Will sell the 450NK by Dec & the 700 by next Feb!
International models will come with cross-spoked rims with tubeless tires while the local stock will come with tube-type tires and regular spoked rims.
Indian models will also come with Tubeless as option, they are homologating it now!
It looks like Royal Enfield did it with this bike, just wish they would sell them on Prince Edward Island Canada. I like the 350 but do wish they would of went with a 15 liter gas tank on them all. Love the Classic but the smaller gas tank, would lead me to the Metro, and do wish they would went with a 500cc single, Had the 500 cc bullet and loved it, that is one bike I wish I would of keep I love the heal toe shifter and wish they would of went with a kick start. This 452cc looks like a great bike, and do want to put one in my stable but , need to see more of the specks like gas tank size, and how far you can get on a tank of gas.
the 450 water cooled will be better than your old 500 oil cooled, although I suspect less characterful
Tank size is 17 litres.
17 Litres should get you 300k on most bikes.
@@samhaokip9126 Which model do you have that has a 17 liter tank, the only one I see is the 452 the classic is a 13 liter and the Metro is a 15 liter. hear in Canada and the USA
I like it it’s not covered useless plastic it’s good value and it dose everything it says on the tin the bibs well it’s a big thumper ,jimmy West Aust
Agreed its still a tad heavy and that 17" on the rear? but then again a bike under your backside is better than all the bikes in the showroom ;-)
Royal enfield has Dakar ambitions, one of the reason they developed a liquid cooled 450, and one of the member from design team have said the Himalayan is not the top model in it's sub category of royal enfields that would share the same frame and engine. We know there is a scrambler and a roadster/naked version with the same engine, so there is a high possibility they would bring in a enduro version which is lighter and more powerful and more offroad/rally focused which would sit on top the himalayan 450 range.
This is the bike im going to be keeping s close eye on. Its damned close to being the unicorn. With a lithium ion battery and the crash stuff removed it would be probably sub400lbs. Also remember id you are going on a shorter ride you could easily ride with half a tank of fuel, further reducing weight.
Wait for the scram version for less weight stripped and better handling and a lower price it's coming
Good points. The 390 Adventure is lighter but doesn't have the rack or crash bars.
well ... i m going you some months back !
Do you remember when you have the Tenere 700 and you put the mivv exhaust??
well i want to ask you if when remove the baffle the bike was losing some power?
Did you notice something like that????
The map is cool. Puts the big Japanese brands to shame
Look up RE's R&D team. Quite interesting and diverse.
Coming from a KLR I really want to test ride that bike!
I'd love to try one but idk if I'd traded my dr650 for one
Great video! I would consider it if it was a lot lighter and I would definitely get the lower seat height. :)
good competition for the KLR
Nice bike and interesting video 👍
Thanks!
Gonna have to wait and see on this one. Given the specs and potential price increase, I’m thinking a used KLR or a Honda rally 300.
Does anyone know when it will be available in Canada?
Good motorcycle.. The only issue is this is a cheap motorcycle in INDIA by the time it gets to Canada it's almost 10k!.. taxes.. shipping.. etc import duties..if Canada let this in the country and it was less than 7k out the door it would Sell ❤
It's Canada's Issue though! RE can't do anything about this!
It's relatively cheaper in Europe tho. Don't know what's the deal with Canadian duties. If you could throw some light?
Yes, the import fees in Canada are killer on Royal Enfields.
i`m waiting for the price, i am thinking about this bike or the honda CB500X
But is it better than a KLR?
How are Enfields selling in Canada? The dealers around here are clogged with them. One dealer in the northeast USA is selling new Interceptor 650's for $4995 US with no prep fee and no delivery fee. Just pay for the bike plus tax.
the only thing this bike needs is an adjustable clutch lever, it's one hell of a reach! one tiny detail that could ruin your trance at the Himalayas
The Unicorn is Kove 450 Rally! 😉
Definitely a strong candidate.
Hopefully, Noraly AKA Itchy Boots, gets one of these free, Honda, those cheap bastards, should've for all the positive free, PR she did with that 250 and the 300 ought to've given a free bike or an audition to replace Marquez . Jeesh.
I very much enjoy your slightly sardonic descriptions.
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
Noraly to replace Marquez? Are you high lmao
Thanks! Much appreciated. I paid for out 300 as well but if RE offered a bike for a season I wouldn't say no.
Love your videos but referring to speed in kph drives us Americans nuts! Lol! I'm always googling the conversion. Anyway keep the vids coming!
Weight - Metal in RE providing durability/longevity Vs cheap plastics is most other brands, hence less weight.
Does RE feel heavy while driving? no not at all in my opinion.
Just my take
Good point.
I really like what this company is trying to do and given what I have been able to learn so far it all seems very good to me. But it will probably take a bit of time to see if Royal Enfield's new first effort at a liquid cooled engine is reliable. Provided it proves so, it will depend upon it having a low enough seat height (31") and the price in the USA. Specs, sheer numbers and reviews by others are helpful and necessary, but never tell the whole story or tell me what I really need to know. It will come down to actually seeing it in person and the all- telling test ride. if all the planets align, and I hope they do, there will be one in my garage.
Thanks for talking about my 2024 birthday gift 😂
Congrats and enjoy!
On the 411 You forgot the extra low seat and high pegs which caused knee fatigue as well as a sharp edged fuel tank that for six footers hit the inside of the knee very painfully.
Other than that it was a perfect cheap adv.
I suspect that after a 5-7 year run of the new wc engine RE will dial it in.
For new adopter bravery we cheer 🍻🍻🍻
Thanks 🙏
P.S.
Cruise Control on a 450 Indian single would have made it a unicorn 🦄
But so would a pair of rocket boosters on the side 😝😝
Rocket boosters are the ticket!
That 411 wasn't supposed to leave the shores of India where the average male height is 5.6 in feet...that the bike has become this loved across the globe is nothing short of a miracle!
Awesome video on a really nice bike! 😃
Thanks!
So many choices now in this range buy nothing worth getting rid of my versys 300 for. If this had more power, cruise control and some wind protection it might peak my interest.
those complaining about weight, you guys have any idea how much a 1200gs or a Tiger weighs?
Versys 650 weighs 220kg. 😄
But the built are solid
Those who complain about weight should understand that metal is weigher than plastic
Don’t really care about weight, I want fuel economy… my klr gets 58-65 mpg if I’m easy on it and it’s a tank! Now admittedly I haven’t had to pick up my bike hurt but the times I have picked it up weren’t a problem.
Price point will be critical
Yes, definitely needs to be competitive with Honda and KTM.
same weight half the power of a t7
I'm actually more excited for the CFMoto 450 MT.
Price will be a big factor, and concern. The increased performance will be worth it but having rider modes with 39.5 hp is a waste of chipsets. That's still not much power. Color TFT display will cost a lot and well I don't look at anything more than speed and odometer while riding. I'm interested in the bike but price will be a big factor.
Based on weight of 350 pounds, sounds like the ideal ADV bike is the DR650. Really what is there in the ADV world under 400 pounds besides the CRF300L Rally?
@@cowmath77wet weight I'm seeing listed is 395, and it's a scrambler. Plus no suspension travel or ground clearance listed but I'm guessing it's a lot less than the 410 Himalayan or a CB500X for that matter cause it's a Speed 400 with a 19" front wheel. This is about ADV bikes, not street bikes with an appearance package.
KTM 690 bikes and its cousins. Around 150 kg wet.
@@cowmath77The Himalayan has 200 mm suspension travel, not 195 mm unless you were talking about the Triumph Scrambler 400X which has 150 mm suspension travel front and rear, just like the KTM 390 Duke (not Adventure).
@@cowmath77 Ah, yes. That's respectable for a soft trail bike. As an adventure bike, I think the Himalayan is a better option. The weight difference is a small sacrifice. The international spec Scrambler 400X at 179 kg is about 17 kg lighter than the Himalayan 450. The Indian spec 400X gets stronger wheels to cope with local roads plus some small accessories so at 185 kg it is only 11 kg lighter than the Himalayan 450 (196 kg). The fact that the Speed 400 and Scrambler 400X had to be equipped with stronger and heavier wheels to cope with Indian roads says something.
@@cowmath77 Adventure is what you make of it so any bike can do what you want it to but some bikes will be better off the road than others. The Triumph puts out the same amount of power as the Himalayan and 2.5 Nm of torque less so the Himalayan obviously has more performance. Won't the new 2024 KTM 390 Duke be better than the 400X since it is lighter, has only 12 mm less ground clearance, the same suspension travel and more power?
Does this mean the old Himalayans will be less expensive? 😆
Depends on the stocks in warehouse of the country but in India it will be cheaper and may be in demand too.
There's a lot of used ones hitting the second hand market here in Sydney now
Old one on discount is the real MVP
That's what usually happens when new models come out.
as from RE and Itchyboots, the proper pronunciation of Himalayan is "HIMAL-YAN".
Yes, I know. I'm such a Canadian though.
That is one of the few words I can clearly understand from the Indians when they are speaking, lol ! To think I have been mispronouncing it all these years, wow !
Compared to the old one it will lose a lot of it’s appeal when they announce the price.
O, the tears of a fat unicorn....
If they had put more power in the motor of the first Himalayan they would have sold in much greater numbers.
No a new kawi versys x with a 500 is the unicorn or maybe the honda nx500 the honda we all always wanted
The NX seems very close to the CB500X which is a great bike but not as off road capable. It's about time Kawasaki put at least the 400 or the new 450 in the Versys.
Would be perfect if lighter. Too heavy 🪨 unfortunately.... Otherwise seems like something I would enjoy very much and use for years.
Irrespective of what rest of the world thinks, it’ll sell in huge numbers in its home market - India !
RE sales dwarf most western brands.
Liquid cooled isnt necessarily more reliable. Id say they're less reliable, they can just make more power. A coolant leak into the engine can destroy the whole thing, while air cooled engines can be fixed almost indefinitely
I guess it's the trade off between 10 out of 10 reliability vs 9 out of 10 but better performance. Considering how many scooters and bikes are now watercooled in the developing world I think that people want it these days. When you're comparing 11hp to 16hp it is substantial
True, but air cooled motors expand more when warm and put more stress on the parts. I'm sure RE stress tested this thing to the max as they don't want their reputation for reliability to suffer.
I would hold off on mentioning unicorn until Triumph's 400 goes on sale. Yes they are both Indian-made bikes but Himalayan has a reputation for being like an old farm tractor. Which is not to say it's charming - just rough, ready, not pretty and slow.
Yep, Triumph's new singles have a lot of potential.
The knew one is certainly now tractor, it's more like a Yamaha T5
The weigth is almost as Tenere 700, but the power are less and the off road capability are cleary less, and Yamaha's reliability is out of any discussion, so... why is the unicorn? If it's not for the price, the heigh and the classic look (so personal), why I have to buy having a Himalayan and not a Tenere?
It is all about prices and availability. In my country, a lots of motorcycles are not even for sale. And the ones that are, cost a lot more then in other countries. A versys 300 costs 2 and a half Himalayan (the old model). In here the crf 250 rally or the 300 does not exist, same as the suzuki drz400. Hell, not even the gixxer 250 is sell here. And the klr 650 costs 18.000 dollars!. So if the price is good, every one here is going to buy the Himalayan, as I did with the 411 bs4.
Where do you live?
And from your comment it seems govt really tax the hell out!
Looks like RE has a monopoly on the market there.
@@BlackHawkTejas I am from Argentina, the land of Messi
@@DifferentSpokesTV Honda is the one with a monopoly here, but RE is taking a lot of marketshare. Problem with Honda is that here is not selling all the models, and the ones that they do, the prices are high.
@@luispiovani9542 Hola Amigo!
And the price now makes sense! Hope Argentina comes out of this vicious economic cycle!
This is a nice try from RE, but no unicorn. The unicorn is Kove 450 Rally. Also Cfmoto 450 will be better that the new Himmi.
Yep, I wish the Kove was available in more places.
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We Indians have this choice only....& We really liked RE bikes...I dono why Yamaha not launching tenere 700 in India...
paisa kaun dega ?
No. The unicorn should have an 18'' rear wheel, greater suspension travel and a monoshock with vanes, a more joyful engine and better final speed, also a headlight that at least shines well. In addition, this Himalayan is still very heavy and has limited clearance from the crankcase to the ground taking into account its long wheelbase. As if that were not enough, the maximum seat height is 845 mm (33.3''), so it is not a motorcycle designed for tall people. Is it good for adventure? yes, more than before. Is it useful for traveling? of course, more than its previous version. But for several reasons it will suffer off-road compared to a 50/50... and the unicorn should be, above all things, as capable on the road as it is off-road. Instead, I see the Himalayan as a scrambler with a 21'' front wheel.
With the title answered, now yes, I will watch your video to find out if we agree a lot, a little, not at all. I hope you make me change my mind.
The problem with this bike is that the CB500X has this thing beat on almost every meaningful metric....
I have a Scram, based on the previous model. It's a nice machine and ideal for what I use it for. However, this one really tickles my fancy, so I might swap out the Scram for one of these.
I think CFmoto has released the most amount of new models with their CLX range on top of their old overseas models, and they have more coming like a 450 naked, 450 adventure...but RE seem to be close second
Yeah, good point. I just don't have a CF Moto dealer nearby.
hmm spokes you should know with out some weight you'll have less stability on road you cant have it all
For those who want this bike, I highly highly suggest you take it for a spin first. I did in SE Asia trip for Pan-Indo route trip with 2019 model. I can safely tell you that I am NOT buying this bike.
Wth 😂😂. This was not even out that year
The Himalayan 450 has only just been launched and it isn't even in showrooms yet. How did you ride it in 2019? Or are you talking about the Himalayan 411 which has a different design and everything else.
@@twowheeledparadox 2019 Himalayan is what I rode. There is a reason why we call RE a Royal Dumpsterfire in the US.
@@hakshayak2044 I rode 2019 Himalayan.
@@LooxJJ Well, the new Himalayan has been getting great reviews from moto journalists - excellent suspension, good brakes, good performance, etc. Real world feedback has yet to be seen, though. If the quality level is anything like their latest bikes, I think this one is likely to be great. But you have a lot more options in the US than anywhere else.
Still waiting for my love CRF 300L in INDIA❤😅
Eh they hyped it for too long, now there is more competition.
It's not the unicorn because it's too heavy and needs about 10 more horsepower. Drop 50 pounds and add 10 horsepower and it would be perfect.
Nice joke!
Yes but then you're paying twice as much and changing the oil every 1000K.
Add 10 HP and it doesn't fit the A2 license in Europe, genius!
The Unicorn?!? Good lord … only for those with RE nostalgia. In reality, an average bike at most.
Had a T7, worst gearbox I’ve ever used.
Mine is not terrible but not the best either. Maybe you had a lemon.
I have a 2021 Himalayan. Total junk. Battery can't hold a charge (phantom draw)...bad electrical problem no one can solve. Horrible fit and finish. Dealership had it for months. It's been so disappointing that I'm selling it with only 700-miles on it. Don't fool yourself into believing you can get a quality ride for one third what all other equivalent bikes cost. A pretty video and a paid spokesperson does not equal a decent ride.
They've pissed me off from the beginning with their miserable low power figureS.
After owning RE Classic 350 for year and half, I don't want RE anything ever again. Absolutely the worst mechanical experience of my life and more problems with it in 1200 miles than on three Japanese bikes in 35k miles. I still love the looks and feel of that bike but, I'm at the breaking point at getting rid of it and just forgetting that RE exists.
Was it an Old Classic RE ?
@@thebestevertherewas New one.
@@oknevals Which Year?
@@thebestevertherewas 2022
Overweight, under powered and badly made save your money and buy something better.
Quite a boring narration
Way too heavy
I actually don’t think it is. For its application and possible low price, it’ll do.
Nope! Its about right!
The Unicorn has existed since 1996, the DR650. Throw on it new suspension, bars, pegs, a tank, a pumper carb, replace the heavy exhaust, and add a quad lock for your phone and BINGO, a Unicorn for under 10 grand. Wind protection is on you. My 300+ bench press provides all the wind protection I need! 😂
Yep, but it's not on sale in most places and might be phased out in Canada and the us if the regulators have their way. It's cool that we still have them though.