Hey all. I've been away from TH-cam uploads for longer than I meant to. Personal things have come up and also the editing of the movie is kind of kicking my ass. Just know once it is out I will be back with The Expanse season 2! Sit tight. I appreciate all of your support!
32:19 it's easy to miss but the ship Dresden was leaving in is another stealth ship like the Anubis. normally they are very hard to detect, but Alex spotted it because it was burning its engine hard to get away, and it was sending a message, both of which can give away a ship's position. they had stopped caring about stealth because they assumed no one else was going to escape.
Fun fact: when Miller riles up the CPM goons to rebel against the other mercenaries, he shouts "We are just meat for the machine, man!" that's a nod to the books where it's explained that CPM is also known as Carne Por la Machina, which as a spanish speaking person you might now means "Meat for the machine". I always found that funny :D
“Miller being a belter and a boozer made him more susceptible to radiation sickness.” True, but there’s also the matter of Thomas Jane really enjoying doing the vomit gag (or so I’ve heard).
Tom is SUCH a character. I Iove seeing him in anything since I caught him in "Dreamcatcher" in the early 2000s. I have to admit, as a queer guy, IM particularly smitten with that furry chest (partly from lust, partly because I wish to god I could grow a pelt like that).
Per your comment about Holden acting differently or out of character with Kenso - Holden may be changing a bit. But also, he’s been radiated and very sick. He has seen people including children used as experiments, he killed one man out of necessity with his bare hands, and him and Miller must get to the ship before it takes off. And he was already angry with Kenso. Needless to say, Holden is under a lot of pressure. I think anyone would act like he did, and many would react worse.
Naomi didn't "know the tunnel specifically". She explained it in the dialogue : the OPA leave markers that tell you how to navigate the tunnels, if you know how to read them. She DID know about the existence of markers in belter-built structures. so there is that. But, she didn't have specific knowledge of that tunnel until she found the marker.
Amos... Amos is a very lateral thinker. When he sees there's a situation that's going to end in violence, he skips straight the violence. He doesn't have to spend the time working himself up to it with angry emotion. It saves time, and it catches people off-guard, as we see here. --- Whatever the virus/bioweapon/stuff is, there's something weird going on with it. It was mimicking Kenzo, as if trying his shape on for size. This isn't some nanomachine just breaking down everything into grey slime. --- Naomi really shows us what she's made of here, she's tough, resourceful and keeps her head in a difficult situation, and yeah, there's clearly a lot of herself she's chosen not to share. I think she yells at Alex because he's often coming to her asking to be told what to do - a Martian ex military pilot - whereas Naomi, as a Belter has been brought up to be fiercely independent, and to think her way through situations where she won't have all the answers, or the tools or resources she needs. She needs him to take the initiative a bit more, and as we see here, he's more than capable when he applies himself. ---- Miller's complicated feelings about being a Belter continue. We've seen him dismissing the OPA as "victims" - one that Miller clearly does not see himself as. We've seen him self dress himself in earther fashions, a cargo cult to invest himself with more power and agency. We've seen him investigating Julie, and how she selflessly helped the Belter peoples and took on their plight, which clearly hooked something deep in Miller's soul. We saw him leave his hat behind, a symbolic show that he understands that no matter how he dresses, how he acts, how much he lords it as a cop - an enforcer for the Earthers or as Dawes put it, a Belter who preys on his own kind - he's just as disposable and weak as any other Belter. Now he's seen the powerful unleashing this blue stuff on Belters like they're lab rats or molecules in a petri dish. He no longer has any illusions about himself, or about the relationship between the Belters and the Inners, the powerful and the powerless. Miller: "You can either be an ass or a boot" Holden: "Which one are you now?" Julie: "Yeah, which one are you?" Julie isn't actually there, of course - that's Miller's own conscience kicking him while he's down. Miller actually looks ashamed there - I don't think we've ever had him show shame before. Worse: the CPM cops on Eros are criminals from Ceres. They're a private contactor, who are doing the bidding of Dresden, the instigator of whatever is happening. How different are they from Miller in episode 1? Miller's going to have to do a lot of soul searching when he has time to stop and think. Man, I love this character. --- Sorry for the essay, I love this show and I'm enjoying seeing you clearly paying attention and trying to work things out for yourself which I really like! It's easy for us, we've got hindsight and 5 more seasons and another 3 books to look back on and figure out what characters are thinking or feeling. I'mma go sign up to your Patreon now - sorry I've not done it earlier, it's been a busy couple of weeks.
Josephus Miller was a burned-out cop, just going through the motions until he was given Julie's case, which rekindled his old love for his investigatory work. She was "Dulcinea" to Miller's "Don Quixote."
I wouldn't say he was a burned-out cop, but a corrupt one. Burned-out implies that he was a good cop that, over time, became disillusioned by all the corruption, but he was corrupt from the beginning. It was Semi's idea to become cops, "Do you want to be the neck or the boot?" He joined a corrupt system, knowing it was corrupt, and choosing to be a welwalla ("walla" meaning "lover" and "wel" referring to the gravity wells that Innyalowda grew up in, so Mars and Earth, the Belter equivalent of "landlubber").
What we know so far, exclusively from the previous episodes of the show: Julie abandoned her rich Earther father and went to the belt and hung out with belters, got involved with the OPA. Later she got the chip from the data broker, which contained the unregistered flight path of the Anubis from Phoebe to Eros. Julie must have known of her father’s business on Phoebe, if not the details, so she knew that this was something fishy. So she went to Dawes with the information, and they decided to intercept the Anubis. Fred provided them with a ship, the Scopuli, for the mission, though he probably didn’t know what that mission was about. After the tragedy of the Scopuli, Julie planted the OPA beacon, which Fred gave her, on the asteroid where she parked the Anubis, and tried to contact Dawes. Fred received the beacon signal. As for her messages for Dawes, he either didn’t get them or just ignored them. That’s it. Miller didn’t know Julie before Shadid got him involved with her case. Listen to what Miller himself says about it (again, because he already told Daves the same in Ep. 3) the next episode, S2E1.
Thanks! That solves my question about how Fred received the "message" from Julie. He really just received the signal from the beacon, not an actual worded message.
The thing about Lang Belta is that it is spoken with so many different accents depending on which asteroid a Belter was raised on. Or in some cases, which ship they were raised on.
@@sosayweall2509, ethnicity has less influence than location. Ceres dialect is noticeably different from Eros or other locals. Compare Camina Drummer's accent with that of Anderson Dawes of Naomi Nagata.
How was Holden refusing to take the spy back, and shooting at him, a change in his behavior? The man betrayed them, allowing the death squad to find them and almost kill them in Julie's hotel. Holden is super focused on his group's survival, there is no way he'd forgive the spy.
Add to that the fact that he's just found out that he's a dead man... that might cause even a paladin to act a little "off". But yes, you're right. Kenzo betrayed them, so it makes sense that Holden might not feel he deserves civility. Still, he didn't actually shoot him...
Yea I guess I figured Kenzo could still help them get off of the docks and I felt that Kenzo was being genuine in his regret. Maybe I am just a sucker!
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The Expanse frequently explores moral and political issues that have real world analogs. It is never done is a preachy or heavy-handed manner, and rarely are any solutions presented.
There's a bit in one of the later books where Holden says that he doesn't think there *should* be any solutions, per se. Things will always be messy, people will always disagree, but it's important that as many people as possible get a voice in what happens: it's when only one or a few voices get to be heard that the atrocities start getting warmed up. That said, it's pretty clear that better treatment of the Belters, and less inequality in general, would have solved a lot of the issues.
Amos is not "trigger-happy," he is just functionally amoral. Miller and Holden are hooked up to the Roci's auto-doc, which Naomi kept having to override so that they would not go to palliative care for terminal radiation poisoning.
The issue with gene editing is that we have yet to learn what unintended consequences might arise from deciding to edit one gene we think we fully understand.
Also in many cases the genes we tweak now are replacing ones that are clearly missing, usually production of a single protein. Traits like intelligence almost certainly can’t be changed by insertion of single genes. The size of ears of corn, from what I remember, is associated with eight different genes, and that’s a fairly simple trait. Adding what’s likely a single gene to salmon makes them grow faster (likely some sort of growth factor) and that’s an example of transgenic animals we do currently. Medical gene editing is usually just replacing single proteins, often ones we can produce and administer anyways but letting them passively manufacture their own medication is an obvious benefit.
the adaptation of Book 1 keeps going through part of Season 2. I'm looking forward to seeing more of your reactions, this show just keeps getting better!
Remember the water thief Miller nabbed had said all the hardcore gangsters had mysteriously left Ceres. Amos voted to save a child. Amos isn't really trigger-happy, but he _is_ decisive, and he won't take chances on Naomi's safety. The difference in progression to the radiation between Miller and Holden is because Holden was a test tube Earth baby raised on a pristine farm while Miller was a street kid on Ceres growing up on bad air, bad water, and bad food. Errinwright doesn't know about the information Avasarala got from Frank DeGraaf's pencils. Errinwright tried to gaslight her, which took her aback for a moment until she regained composure and made it appear that she "bought" his story. Avasarala knows for sure now that Errinwright is involved in something undercover and deadly. Vomiting isn't uncommon in space when gravity and inertia are frequently wonky, but you don't want it splashing around in zero-G. I think it's common etiquette for Belters to catch their own spittum...this won't be the only time you see that. The character Kenzo is not in the book. The actor playing Kenzo, Elias Toufexis, had auditioned for the Amos role, but lost it to Wes Chathan (who had already been a fan of the books and the Amos character). The producers liked Elias enough to write the character Kenzo into the series just for him.
On the catching vomit thing. It makes sense for rock-hoppers, but so far Miller has only experienced zero -G once in his entire life - during the mid-journey flip on the transit ferry to Eros. Plenty of regular folks right now on one-G Earth have a reflex to put their hands up when they vomit. It might not be sensible, but we do it.
So, Holden is a character that will probably frustrate you at times. Believe me, you're not alone if you feel that way. He has an extremely strong sense of right and wrong. He's not sanctimonious about it, but he pretty much always follows his gut and doesn't spend a lot of time thinking about it. Which leads him to make decisions in the moment that seem insane, or even suicidal at times. Holden and Miller are definitely extremely interesting contrasts/foils for each other. Holden is a total idealist, and Miller is a hardcore nihilist. Amos is also such a more deep, layered, and interesting character than he initially appears. At first, he just seems like "the muscle". Like Jayne Cobb from Firefly, just a violent thug. And yes, he is violent, when he has to be. Obviously. But he got some moments in this episode that hint at who he is under the surface. When the little girl was in need in the tunnels, Amos said they should help her. And when he found out the guy she was with wasn't her family and was maybe only using her for sympathy to save his own skin, Amos very forcefully told him to watch out for her, or else some implied violence might go down against him. Also, Amos agreed with Semi that they should leave Eros as soon as possible, but the instant Semi pulled a gun on Naomi, Amos had no problem blowing his brains out. That shows that Amos values his loyalty to the people he cares about more highly than his own survival. But he's also extremely cold and pragmatic in his use of violence. Semi pulled a gun, and threatened Naomi. What's the simplest and quickest solution to this problem? Kill Semi. He doesn't talk, he doesn't posture. He sees one outcome where they win, and that is where the other guy is dead. He skips right to the end. Maybe Naomi could have talked Semi down. To Amos, that's a lot of wasted time and a risk he didn't feel was worth it. So he shot him. End of story. Love your reactions to this series so far! I'm always so happy(and envious) when I find someone discovering this series for the first time! I can't wait for you to start on the next season! Let's fucking go!!!
@@Garryck-1 not casting any shade on Harris (and I haven't checked, does he get an "and" too?) but Shoreh has an oscar nomination and he doesn't (yet).
@@Garryck-1 Jared Harris wasn't that big of a name back then yet. He wasn't a no-name, but this was just around the time when his public awareness and career rocketed. Also, Shohreh is main cast, Jared is not.
Firefly was only one season, approx 14 episodes; with a follow-up film, to basically end the show with. But, though it was short lived, it was wonderful! If you've never seen it, I highly recommend it!
Well after The Expanse, I definitely will likely want a shorter watch so 14 episodes only seems lovely! Ha I say that when I haven't even been through 14 episodes of The Expanse!
Especially since the serial numbers of the drives had been completely wiped from the UN database. Firstly, why would that have been erased if they were just sold to private parties? Secondly, how could he have traced them if the serial numbers had been wiped? Of course, Errinwright didn't _know_ Chrisjen had the information from DeGraff.
Dresden is like Mengele during WWII. He's focused on the "science" of his work and treats the Belters as "less than human" in the same way Mengele treated the Jewish people.
@@MrCzerillo, it is a very apt comparison. Not all of those in the concentration camps were Jewish. Many were Rom or members of other disenfranchised populations. Dresden is definitely an analog of Mengele.
Reading the side-novella about a character we will meet in 2 episodes time who grew up on basic in Londrina will give you a different insight into how Dresden's mind works. The parallels with Mengele are only general. Obviously this is not a recommendation to our Irish Latino reactor.
Another great reaction. The scene with Holden and Kenzo makes a lot of sense. At this point Holden has been carrying the emotional burden of having seen the crew from the Cant killed. The Donnager killed. And now all the people on Eros. He only has a vague impression of who might be responsible for this nightmare, but he's wary of anyone who seems suspect of having some inside knowledge of what's going on. At this point Kenzo can't be trusted. Given the gravity of all that has transpired he has no choice but to error on the side of Kenzo being sus. Alas, Baby Amos takes one for the team. The actor was so good during the casting of Amos, the Producers told him they would write him into the show and here they did: Kenzo. He even comes back (sort of ) to do more Expanse work. But that will have to remain a mystery to be revealed later. As much as I wanted to have Baby Amos be on the crew. ( He played a perfect foil/banter to Amos. ) As to the ending scene, clearly the Blue Goo is sentient. It mirror copied Kenzo, unlike everyone else it took, because it noticed the spy tech in Kenzo's eye. And found it quite useful for consumption. Nom. Nom. Blade Runner.
I would argue that the ending scene does not clearly mark out the blue goo as sentient. It might be, but that behaviour doesn't confirm it. AI can paint in the style of whichever artist you train it on, or write music in a style that mimics examples you feed to it. Is it sentient?
Blade Runner is in the lead EVER so slightly. Will probably close the polling tonight. Thanks for the compliment once again! Holden had every right to think Kenzo was sus at this point but I still think he was telling the truth when he said he could get through the codes on the dock (however he said it).
29:51 a nice little touch in this scene is that you can see a whole bunch of huge divots in the armor vests that Holden and Miller are wearing that weren't there before, because they got hit several times getting through that big gunfight. Holden felt weird about shooting the two cops and taking their armor earlier, but having that gear saved their lives
The virtue of sci-fi is that it allows us to discuss real social issues without the baggage of associating those labels with real life biases. This show does pull punches a little bit on the dehumanizing that goes on - we got a little bit from Lopez on how he views Earthers as basically subhuman “takers” and we’re in the midst of some discussions on views of belters as “Carne por la Machina” - not created equal and expendable. Miller’s assignment where belters stealing water to survive are told not to interfere with a pretty garden is illustrative as well.
Meaning of trigger happy; ready to react violently, especially by shooting, on the slightest provocation.... Amos has only been ready to shoot or shot, when its been about their survival.
Amos isn’t “trigger-happy,” except for maybe dropping that bomb on the Anubis. He was ice cold when he dropped Simi. He is certainly neuro-atypical. I always saw Naomi’s crisp “Just do it, Alex!” as a callback to Holden’s bark at Alex as they were leaving the Donnager. Also, have you considered that just because Naomi is not OPA now, she may have been? Holden was in the Earth navy, and probably knows some of their secrets. He doesn’t have much respect for them now. Alex remembers “donkey balls,” even though he’s been out of MCRN for a while. I know Naomi is a bit more reserved than the others, but you seem very suspicious of her, instead of being curious.
Yes I think I made a comment that she may have been OPA before and she isn't now. If I didn't make that comment then I definitely thought of it! And I don't know, Holden yelling at Alex just hit different because Alex was a bit sedated and he needed a kick to do something he was fully capable of doing, flying. While Naomi has yelled at him twice to take care of something where there wasn't a clear path to take care of said thing. I know the second "thing" was also flying but he had to deal with the clamps.
My vote would be for "The Fifth Element" or "The Princess Bride." All of your selections are good in any case. I've not yet watched "Furiosa," however, that is subject to change.
I watched the first of the newer Max movies with some friends at a party where we selected movies by voting on a list that gave atypical descriptions. “Woman drives a milk truck for two hours” had a whatever plot, OK acting, but absolutely amazing story structure, camera work, and sound design. I’d want to see it from a reactor that’s actually a film student or even outright director. Lindsay Ellis had some great commentary on it, for example. A mediocre story told incredibly well.
Darren, if you've already watched the next episode, then ignore this comment. If not, there will be a scene, a dialogue between Jules-Pierre Mao and Errinwright. Please listen carefully to every word they say. During that they tell in a nutshell what is going on with Mao, the UN, and the blue goo. Actually, if you miss that conversation, you won't understand what is going on later even in the same episode.
Miller has always been my favorite character. Read the books a couple years before the show came out, and was a bit snobby about the actors on the get go, but in retrospect Tom Jane was perfectly cast.
28:55 I've never been sure whether this is him faking a strong Belter accent, or whether this is his real voice and the Earther-style accent he speaks with around everyone else is an affectation. I think it really could go either way and that says a lot about Miller
Great reaction! First of all the ships weren't built on Earth, the drives were. Don't take this the wrong way but the term racism is so broadly used in this day and age. Some inners definitely are racist against belters. IMO I believe that a lot of people confuse bigotry and racism as the same thing. This show is like a huge onion! Way to many layers to unpack in a short amount of time. This show definitely plays the long game! But so so satisfying! Looking forward to season two!
Last episode one commenter told you that the blue goo was just a bioweapon, nothing more. Now another commenter tells you that it must be sentient. Just ignore these clever 'explanations', wich are in fact just interpretations, and quite often kind of spoilers. You will have your own ones later.
ironically, you never learn in the show the EXACT nature. You must read the books that weren't made into the show .. yet, to ever grasp fully what it is and how it showed up on Phoebe. And before you open your mouth about Spoilers, remember what that verb spoil means.. I have ruined nothing, simply informed him of something he'll have to do beyond watching the show. He can speculate all he wants, but the true answer can only be found a looooong way down the road, beyond the show.
@@ZakhadWOW ...and you just wrote a big spoiler down here! Yes, it is a pretty big and totally unnecessary spoiler, no matter if you're not able to see it. Some people just cannot keep their wordhole closed... _smh_
Yeah, I never figured out the catching the vomit thing. I've puked many times in my life but have never had the inclination to have it all over my hands.
@@DanielaDormiaru-ih9xf it's more about food's aromatics don't spread by convection currents in the air in zero g. The majority of what you taste is actually what you smell. It's why food seems bland when you have a head cold.
Also, in micro-gravity, sinuses don't drain normally so astronauts all say they feel stuffed up when they're in space. Spicy food helps alleviate that, at least to a certain extent, so the notion that Belter cuisine would feature a lot of spicy mushroom dishes seems entirely plausible.
7:16 Regarding gene editing and its consequences, if you haven't seen it (which you probably haven't since you didn't mention it here), you absolutely _must_ see Gattaca from 1997. Not only is it a fantastic movie in its own right, but it was filmed in possibly my favourite building in the world, the Frank Lloyd Wright-designed Marin County Civic Center (also the filming location for George Lucas's first feature film THX 1138). 8:27 Regarding Julie seeing a vision of Miller. They _definitely_ didn't know each other, so there is some _other_ explanation. I have my own theory, but I'll hold off until we get a little bit further into the show (at the end of book 1, which isn't here). Yeah, Chrisjen hadn't yet told anyone about the information she got from DeGraff's pencils. I think she probably was about to when Errinwright showed up and told her that he tracked down the drives, confirmed they were built at the Bush Naval Shipyards for private contracts that took them to Tycho station. DeGraff's pencil data included the drive serial numbers which Chrisjen looked up, both in the normal database and the super-classifed black ops database, neither of which contained the serial numbers. How could Errinwright track down the drives if all information on them had been wiped? Answer: he didn't, everything he said in that conversation was a fabrication to try to throw Chrisjen off the scent. 38:33 Chrisjen _did_ get access to Kenzo, that's _why_ Kenzo stowed away on the Roci. It's why Kenzo was spying on Naomi and Holden in the bar. It's why Errinwright knew that Chrisjen's spy had gone dark (because Kenzo had tried sending messages during the trip and got discovered) when he told her he put out a kill order on Holden.
Fred Johnson NEITHER sent out the Scopuli ( that was Dawes ) NOR received any of Julie’s distress messages. He was actually working really hard to find out what Dawes had done. Fred holds the Tech Edge, but Dawes is supreme in his Human Intelligence vis a vie The Belt and the wider OPA operations. He didn’t even know that Lionel was Julie. Probably never heard the name Julie until Joe tells him. (Folks, that’s not a spoiler, he’s ahead on his Patreon.) I’m certain Fred has a few clues, he likely has some dozen paid informants or spies amongst Dawes’ factions, which clued him into where to start looking, but Fred had nothing to do with the intercept mission. Oddly, though, NEITHER DID DAWES, really. It really was Julie’s mission. She actually used Dawes at least as much as he did her. I also think that- for whatever reasons - Dawes also never heard Julie’s messages. That’s never been explained. TBF, a lot of minor details get left behind ( like minor characters ) as the story steamrolles forward, just enjoy the ride. Another example: the battleship heading for Tycho… just vanished into thin air.
Fred supplied the Scopuli. He says literally that to Holden in S1E6. It is part of the reason he was so curious about what happened to it and why he trained the long range scopes of the Nauvoo on the Donnager Battle. Dawes provided the crew for the Scopuli. The Nathan Hale does not vanish into thin air, as you will see in a few episodes. I think it is implied that Dawes did receive Julie's messages. But he either didn't respond because he didn't want to expose his involvement, or he was satisfied that Julie was holed up in a safe house and retrieving her wasn't urgent.
Racism is racism. When you judge other people based on stereotypes rather than individual merit, you are talking about racism. Each of humanity's three subtypes (Earther, Martian, or Belter) views the others as being "lesser" in some way. Notice that the Belters use the term "Innalowda" to describe anyone born in (and grew up in) a gravity well. The term used to describe Joe Miller when we first meet him is "Welwalla," which would translate to "well lover." Discrimination happens everywhere between everyone.
Inyalowda or “inners” is typical in group/out group language. As usual, though, since “inyalowda” is a term from an oppressed group describing their oppressors it’s a bit awkward to talk about it as “racist” because racism implies a system of oppression. Welwala is basically “race traitor.” There’s a link to gravity wells in the etymology but it’s not really core to the meaning.
"Inyalowda" (Inner folk) isn't really a pejorative, though. It's directly equivalent to "beltalowda" (Belter folk). Notice also Naomi's use of "milowda" (my folk).
@@Justanotherconsumer, anytime anyone treats another group as not being "human" (whatever that means), it is racism. Everything else is just political posturing.
That is a new definition of racist in order to not be able to call minorities racist. It's not true though. Anybody, literally anybody, can be a racist.
People could not function absent using stereotypes to guide their actions. I'd bet there is a genetic component involved. Your tribe, and the people surrounding you, are deemed safe, based upon how they look and how their behavior mimics your own due to their adoption of the same social customs. Members of the tribe next door look and behave differently, and that triggers a sense of danger when they are around. Fast forward to the modern era, and tribal life is less relevant to everyone, but echoes of it still persist. If presented with the choice of applying stereotypes to a decision you have to make, or not applying any thought at all to it, what method will work best for you? While it is fashionable to say each person must be evaluated on their own individual merit, that is wishful thinking in a busy world where many decisions must be made in seconds on admittedly highly inadequate information. Don't denigrate the use of stereotypes as an aid to making immediate decisions. We all need to educate ourselves as to what stereotypes are invalid in today's world. Education is the key, along with a thirst for learning and a willingness to alter your own assumptions when presented with facts that contradict your beliefs.
Hey all. I've been away from TH-cam uploads for longer than I meant to. Personal things have come up and also the editing of the movie is kind of kicking my ass. Just know once it is out I will be back with The Expanse season 2! Sit tight. I appreciate all of your support!
So glad you're ok, and that we'll see you back soon. The Screaming Firehawks will be here when you return!
32:19 it's easy to miss but the ship Dresden was leaving in is another stealth ship like the Anubis. normally they are very hard to detect, but Alex spotted it because it was burning its engine hard to get away, and it was sending a message, both of which can give away a ship's position. they had stopped caring about stealth because they assumed no one else was going to escape.
Fun fact: when Miller riles up the CPM goons to rebel against the other mercenaries, he shouts "We are just meat for the machine, man!" that's a nod to the books where it's explained that CPM is also known as Carne Por la Machina, which as a spanish speaking person you might now means "Meat for the machine". I always found that funny :D
“Miller being a belter and a boozer made him more susceptible to radiation sickness.” True, but there’s also the matter of Thomas Jane really enjoying doing the vomit gag (or so I’ve heard).
Tom is SUCH a character. I Iove seeing him in anything since I caught him in "Dreamcatcher" in the early 2000s. I have to admit, as a queer guy, IM particularly smitten with that furry chest (partly from lust, partly because I wish to god I could grow a pelt like that).
Yeah, according to the Podcast
Per your comment about Holden acting differently or out of character with Kenso - Holden may be changing a bit. But also, he’s been radiated and very sick. He has seen people including children used as experiments, he killed one man out of necessity with his bare hands, and him and Miller must get to the ship before it takes off. And he was already angry with Kenso. Needless to say, Holden is under a lot of pressure. I think anyone would act like he did, and many would react worse.
Naomi didn't "know the tunnel specifically". She explained it in the dialogue : the OPA leave markers that tell you how to navigate the tunnels, if you know how to read them. She DID know about the existence of markers in belter-built structures. so there is that. But, she didn't have specific knowledge of that tunnel until she found the marker.
When Semi pointed his weapon at Naomi in Amos' presence, he committed suicide.
Exactly...
Amos... Amos is a very lateral thinker. When he sees there's a situation that's going to end in violence, he skips straight the violence. He doesn't have to spend the time working himself up to it with angry emotion. It saves time, and it catches people off-guard, as we see here.
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Whatever the virus/bioweapon/stuff is, there's something weird going on with it. It was mimicking Kenzo, as if trying his shape on for size. This isn't some nanomachine just breaking down everything into grey slime.
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Naomi really shows us what she's made of here, she's tough, resourceful and keeps her head in a difficult situation, and yeah, there's clearly a lot of herself she's chosen not to share. I think she yells at Alex because he's often coming to her asking to be told what to do - a Martian ex military pilot - whereas Naomi, as a Belter has been brought up to be fiercely independent, and to think her way through situations where she won't have all the answers, or the tools or resources she needs. She needs him to take the initiative a bit more, and as we see here, he's more than capable when he applies himself.
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Miller's complicated feelings about being a Belter continue. We've seen him dismissing the OPA as "victims" - one that Miller clearly does not see himself as. We've seen him self dress himself in earther fashions, a cargo cult to invest himself with more power and agency.
We've seen him investigating Julie, and how she selflessly helped the Belter peoples and took on their plight, which clearly hooked something deep in Miller's soul.
We saw him leave his hat behind, a symbolic show that he understands that no matter how he dresses, how he acts, how much he lords it as a cop - an enforcer for the Earthers or as Dawes put it, a Belter who preys on his own kind - he's just as disposable and weak as any other Belter.
Now he's seen the powerful unleashing this blue stuff on Belters like they're lab rats or molecules in a petri dish. He no longer has any illusions about himself, or about the relationship between the Belters and the Inners, the powerful and the powerless.
Miller: "You can either be an ass or a boot"
Holden: "Which one are you now?"
Julie: "Yeah, which one are you?"
Julie isn't actually there, of course - that's Miller's own conscience kicking him while he's down. Miller actually looks ashamed there - I don't think we've ever had him show shame before.
Worse: the CPM cops on Eros are criminals from Ceres. They're a private contactor, who are doing the bidding of Dresden, the instigator of whatever is happening. How different are they from Miller in episode 1?
Miller's going to have to do a lot of soul searching when he has time to stop and think.
Man, I love this character.
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Sorry for the essay, I love this show and I'm enjoying seeing you clearly paying attention and trying to work things out for yourself which I really like! It's easy for us, we've got hindsight and 5 more seasons and another 3 books to look back on and figure out what characters are thinking or feeling. I'mma go sign up to your Patreon now - sorry I've not done it earlier, it's been a busy couple of weeks.
Josephus Miller was a burned-out cop, just going through the motions until he was given Julie's case, which rekindled his old love for his investigatory work. She was "Dulcinea" to Miller's "Don Quixote."
It also rekindled his identity as a Belter
I wouldn't say he was a burned-out cop, but a corrupt one. Burned-out implies that he was a good cop that, over time, became disillusioned by all the corruption, but he was corrupt from the beginning. It was Semi's idea to become cops, "Do you want to be the neck or the boot?" He joined a corrupt system, knowing it was corrupt, and choosing to be a welwalla ("walla" meaning "lover" and "wel" referring to the gravity wells that Innyalowda grew up in, so Mars and Earth, the Belter equivalent of "landlubber").
The final scene with Kenzo is the audience's clue that there is more to the protomolecule than we have realized.
I can never hear Elias Toufexis' voice again without thinking of Kenzo.. He played the Breen Scion (under heavy makeup) in ST: Discovery Season 5
Leviathan literally waking. An absolutely perfect name for both the first book, but also for this specific episode
@@ZakhadWOW One might say that Kenzo never asked for this
What we know so far, exclusively from the previous episodes of the show:
Julie abandoned her rich Earther father and went to the belt and hung out with belters, got involved with the OPA. Later she got the chip from the data broker, which contained the unregistered flight path of the Anubis from Phoebe to Eros. Julie must have known of her father’s business on Phoebe, if not the details, so she knew that this was something fishy. So she went to Dawes with the information, and they decided to intercept the Anubis. Fred provided them with a ship, the Scopuli, for the mission, though he probably didn’t know what that mission was about. After the tragedy of the Scopuli, Julie planted the OPA beacon, which Fred gave her, on the asteroid where she parked the Anubis, and tried to contact Dawes. Fred received the beacon signal. As for her messages for Dawes, he either didn’t get them or just ignored them.
That’s it.
Miller didn’t know Julie before Shadid got him involved with her case. Listen to what Miller himself says about it (again, because he already told Daves the same in Ep. 3) the next episode, S2E1.
All of the above post checks out..
Thanks! That solves my question about how Fred received the "message" from Julie. He really just received the signal from the beacon, not an actual worded message.
The thing about Lang Belta is that it is spoken with so many different accents depending on which asteroid a Belter was raised on. Or in some cases, which ship they were raised on.
There's also an ethnic flavor to it as ypu notice the hints of Spanish and Chinese influences based on who established some of the outer colonies
@@sosayweall2509, ethnicity has less influence than location. Ceres dialect is noticeably different from Eros or other locals. Compare Camina Drummer's accent with that of Anderson Dawes of Naomi Nagata.
How was Holden refusing to take the spy back, and shooting at him, a change in his behavior? The man betrayed them, allowing the death squad to find them and almost kill them in Julie's hotel. Holden is super focused on his group's survival, there is no way he'd forgive the spy.
Add to that the fact that he's just found out that he's a dead man... that might cause even a paladin to act a little "off". But yes, you're right. Kenzo betrayed them, so it makes sense that Holden might not feel he deserves civility. Still, he didn't actually shoot him...
Yea I guess I figured Kenzo could still help them get off of the docks and I felt that Kenzo was being genuine in his regret. Maybe I am just a sucker!
The Expanse frequently explores moral and political issues that have real world analogs. It is never done is a preachy or heavy-handed manner, and rarely are any solutions presented.
It's not really meant to moist solutions just parallels
There's a bit in one of the later books where Holden says that he doesn't think there *should* be any solutions, per se. Things will always be messy, people will always disagree, but it's important that as many people as possible get a voice in what happens: it's when only one or a few voices get to be heard that the atrocities start getting warmed up.
That said, it's pretty clear that better treatment of the Belters, and less inequality in general, would have solved a lot of the issues.
Chrisjen told Arjun to "take the children with him to Luna." They have one surviving child and two grandchildren.
Amos is not "trigger-happy," he is just functionally amoral. Miller and Holden are hooked up to the Roci's auto-doc, which Naomi kept having to override so that they would not go to palliative care for terminal radiation poisoning.
The issue with gene editing is that we have yet to learn what unintended consequences might arise from deciding to edit one gene we think we fully understand.
one of the issues
Also in many cases the genes we tweak now are replacing ones that are clearly missing, usually production of a single protein.
Traits like intelligence almost certainly can’t be changed by insertion of single genes. The size of ears of corn, from what I remember, is associated with eight different genes, and that’s a fairly simple trait.
Adding what’s likely a single gene to salmon makes them grow faster (likely some sort of growth factor) and that’s an example of transgenic animals we do currently.
Medical gene editing is usually just replacing single proteins, often ones we can produce and administer anyways but letting them passively manufacture their own medication is an obvious benefit.
For a good examination on the repercussions of gene editing and discrimination, i highly recommend the film "GATTACA" 🤟😎
That movie’s title absolutely irritates me.
Genes are read in triplets of base pairs, so why isn’t it “GATACA?”
@@Justanotherconsumer NEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRD!
@@Justanotherconsumer frameshift mutation
This movie has come across my radar hard now, so I'll def have to check it out. I love Ethan Hawke
BAHAHAHAHA
the adaptation of Book 1 keeps going through part of Season 2.
I'm looking forward to seeing more of your reactions, this show just keeps getting better!
Remember the water thief Miller nabbed had said all the hardcore gangsters had mysteriously left Ceres.
Amos voted to save a child. Amos isn't really trigger-happy, but he _is_ decisive, and he won't take chances on Naomi's safety.
The difference in progression to the radiation between Miller and Holden is because Holden was a test tube Earth baby raised on a pristine farm while Miller was a street kid on Ceres growing up on bad air, bad water, and bad food.
Errinwright doesn't know about the information Avasarala got from Frank DeGraaf's pencils. Errinwright tried to gaslight her, which took her aback for a moment until she regained composure and made it appear that she "bought" his story. Avasarala knows for sure now that Errinwright is involved in something undercover and deadly.
Vomiting isn't uncommon in space when gravity and inertia are frequently wonky, but you don't want it splashing around in zero-G. I think it's common etiquette for Belters to catch their own spittum...this won't be the only time you see that.
The character Kenzo is not in the book. The actor playing Kenzo, Elias Toufexis, had auditioned for the Amos role, but lost it to Wes Chathan (who had already been a fan of the books and the Amos character). The producers liked Elias enough to write the character Kenzo into the series just for him.
On the catching vomit thing. It makes sense for rock-hoppers, but so far Miller has only experienced zero -G once in his entire life - during the mid-journey flip on the transit ferry to Eros. Plenty of regular folks right now on one-G Earth have a reflex to put their hands up when they vomit. It might not be sensible, but we do it.
So, Holden is a character that will probably frustrate you at times. Believe me, you're not alone if you feel that way. He has an extremely strong sense of right and wrong. He's not sanctimonious about it, but he pretty much always follows his gut and doesn't spend a lot of time thinking about it. Which leads him to make decisions in the moment that seem insane, or even suicidal at times. Holden and Miller are definitely extremely interesting contrasts/foils for each other. Holden is a total idealist, and Miller is a hardcore nihilist.
Amos is also such a more deep, layered, and interesting character than he initially appears. At first, he just seems like "the muscle". Like Jayne Cobb from Firefly, just a violent thug. And yes, he is violent, when he has to be. Obviously. But he got some moments in this episode that hint at who he is under the surface. When the little girl was in need in the tunnels, Amos said they should help her. And when he found out the guy she was with wasn't her family and was maybe only using her for sympathy to save his own skin, Amos very forcefully told him to watch out for her, or else some implied violence might go down against him.
Also, Amos agreed with Semi that they should leave Eros as soon as possible, but the instant Semi pulled a gun on Naomi, Amos had no problem blowing his brains out. That shows that Amos values his loyalty to the people he cares about more highly than his own survival. But he's also extremely cold and pragmatic in his use of violence. Semi pulled a gun, and threatened Naomi. What's the simplest and quickest solution to this problem? Kill Semi. He doesn't talk, he doesn't posture. He sees one outcome where they win, and that is where the other guy is dead. He skips right to the end. Maybe Naomi could have talked Semi down. To Amos, that's a lot of wasted time and a risk he didn't feel was worth it. So he shot him. End of story.
Love your reactions to this series so far! I'm always so happy(and envious) when I find someone discovering this series for the first time! I can't wait for you to start on the next season! Let's fucking go!!!
If you’ve not seen the series Fringe, you should watch it!!
As for the movies, the fifth element is awesome.
Princess Bride is a must.
Shohreh Aghdashloo got distinctive billing because she was by far the most prestigious actor in the cast when the series began.
Ahem.
Jared Harris.
Your theory is incorrect.
@@Garryck-1 not casting any shade on Harris (and I haven't checked, does he get an "and" too?) but Shoreh has an oscar nomination and he doesn't (yet).
@@Garryck-1 Jared Harris wasn't that big of a name back then yet. He wasn't a no-name, but this was just around the time when his public awareness and career rocketed.
Also, Shohreh is main cast, Jared is not.
Thomas Jane??
Firefly was only one season, approx 14 episodes; with a follow-up film, to basically end the show with.
But, though it was short lived, it was wonderful!
If you've never seen it, I highly recommend it!
Second that. 👆
Well after The Expanse, I definitely will likely want a shorter watch so 14 episodes only seems lovely! Ha I say that when I haven't even been through 14 episodes of The Expanse!
Chrisjen Avarsarela is a canny political operator and realizes that the report that Errinwright has "just reviewed" was probably written by him.
Especially since the serial numbers of the drives had been completely wiped from the UN database. Firstly, why would that have been erased if they were just sold to private parties? Secondly, how could he have traced them if the serial numbers had been wiped? Of course, Errinwright didn't _know_ Chrisjen had the information from DeGraff.
Dresden is like Mengele during WWII. He's focused on the "science" of his work and treats the Belters as "less than human" in the same way Mengele treated the Jewish people.
lol. Mengele didn't really know much about actual science.
Not just Belters. Julie is not a belter, and there were non-belters on the station. So not an apt comparison.
@@MrCzerillo, it is a very apt comparison. Not all of those in the concentration camps were Jewish. Many were Rom or members of other disenfranchised populations. Dresden is definitely an analog of Mengele.
Reading the side-novella about a character we will meet in 2 episodes time who grew up on basic in Londrina will give you a different insight into how Dresden's mind works. The parallels with Mengele are only general. Obviously this is not a recommendation to our Irish Latino reactor.
Another great reaction. The scene with Holden and Kenzo makes a lot of sense. At this point Holden has been carrying the emotional burden of having seen the crew from the Cant killed. The Donnager killed. And now all the people on Eros. He only has a vague impression of who might be responsible for this nightmare, but he's wary of anyone who seems suspect of having some inside knowledge of what's going on. At this point Kenzo can't be trusted. Given the gravity of all that has transpired he has no choice but to error on the side of Kenzo being sus.
Alas, Baby Amos takes one for the team. The actor was so good during the casting of Amos, the Producers told him they would write him into the show and here they did: Kenzo. He even comes back (sort of ) to do more Expanse work. But that will have to remain a mystery to be revealed later. As much as I wanted to have Baby Amos be on the crew. ( He played a perfect foil/banter to Amos. )
As to the ending scene, clearly the Blue Goo is sentient. It mirror copied Kenzo, unlike everyone else it took, because it noticed the spy tech in Kenzo's eye. And found it quite useful for consumption. Nom. Nom.
Blade Runner.
I would argue that the ending scene does not clearly mark out the blue goo as sentient. It might be, but that behaviour doesn't confirm it. AI can paint in the style of whichever artist you train it on, or write music in a style that mimics examples you feed to it. Is it sentient?
Blade Runner is in the lead EVER so slightly. Will probably close the polling tonight. Thanks for the compliment once again! Holden had every right to think Kenzo was sus at this point but I still think he was telling the truth when he said he could get through the codes on the dock (however he said it).
29:51 a nice little touch in this scene is that you can see a whole bunch of huge divots in the armor vests that Holden and Miller are wearing that weren't there before, because they got hit several times getting through that big gunfight. Holden felt weird about shooting the two cops and taking their armor earlier, but having that gear saved their lives
The virtue of sci-fi is that it allows us to discuss real social issues without the baggage of associating those labels with real life biases.
This show does pull punches a little bit on the dehumanizing that goes on - we got a little bit from Lopez on how he views Earthers as basically subhuman “takers” and we’re in the midst of some discussions on views of belters as “Carne por la Machina” - not created equal and expendable.
Miller’s assignment where belters stealing water to survive are told not to interfere with a pretty garden is illustrative as well.
Meaning of trigger happy; ready to react violently, especially by shooting, on the slightest provocation.... Amos has only been ready to shoot or shot, when its been about their survival.
"what the fuck is going on" - clue to that is in the episode's title: Leviathan wakes :)
Amos isn’t “trigger-happy,” except for maybe dropping that bomb on the Anubis. He was ice cold when he dropped Simi. He is certainly neuro-atypical.
I always saw Naomi’s crisp “Just do it, Alex!” as a callback to Holden’s bark at Alex as they were leaving the Donnager. Also, have you considered that just because Naomi is not OPA now, she may have been? Holden was in the Earth navy, and probably knows some of their secrets. He doesn’t have much respect for them now. Alex remembers “donkey balls,” even though he’s been out of MCRN for a while. I know Naomi is a bit more reserved than the others, but you seem very suspicious of her, instead of being curious.
He should be suspicious.
Yes I think I made a comment that she may have been OPA before and she isn't now. If I didn't make that comment then I definitely thought of it! And I don't know, Holden yelling at Alex just hit different because Alex was a bit sedated and he needed a kick to do something he was fully capable of doing, flying. While Naomi has yelled at him twice to take care of something where there wasn't a clear path to take care of said thing. I know the second "thing" was also flying but he had to deal with the clamps.
Perfect timing - I just caught s1e9 earlier today, ran out for an errand, and got back to this drop.
Oh you lucky duck!
My vote would be for "The Fifth Element" or "The Princess Bride." All of your selections are good in any case. I've not yet watched "Furiosa," however, that is subject to change.
I watched the first of the newer Max movies with some friends at a party where we selected movies by voting on a list that gave atypical descriptions.
“Woman drives a milk truck for two hours” had a whatever plot, OK acting, but absolutely amazing story structure, camera work, and sound design. I’d want to see it from a reactor that’s actually a film student or even outright director. Lindsay Ellis had some great commentary on it, for example.
A mediocre story told incredibly well.
Darren, if you've already watched the next episode, then ignore this comment.
If not, there will be a scene, a dialogue between Jules-Pierre Mao and Errinwright. Please listen carefully to every word they say. During that they tell in a nutshell what is going on with Mao, the UN, and the blue goo. Actually, if you miss that conversation, you won't understand what is going on later even in the same episode.
Duely noted, thanks pspirto!
Miller is affected by the radiation more due to age, substandard medical care of Belters, and being a long term alcoholic.
Also, Holden is younger, grew up in Earth gravity, and has the best genetic attributes from *eight parents* .
Miller has always been my favorite character. Read the books a couple years before the show came out, and was a bit snobby about the actors on the get go, but in retrospect Tom Jane was perfectly cast.
Did you moss when naiomi said she USED to run with the opa.....
I think she said she used to run with "some bad people"
28:55 I've never been sure whether this is him faking a strong Belter accent, or whether this is his real voice and the Earther-style accent he speaks with around everyone else is an affectation. I think it really could go either way and that says a lot about Miller
Great reaction!
First of all the ships weren't built on Earth, the drives were.
Don't take this the wrong way but the term racism is so broadly used in this day and age. Some inners definitely are racist against belters. IMO I believe that a lot of people confuse bigotry and racism as the same thing.
This show is like a huge onion! Way to many layers to unpack in a short amount of time. This show definitely plays the long game! But so so satisfying!
Looking forward to season two!
Last episode one commenter told you that the blue goo was just a bioweapon, nothing more. Now another commenter tells you that it must be sentient.
Just ignore these clever 'explanations', wich are in fact just interpretations, and quite often kind of spoilers. You will have your own ones later.
ironically, you never learn in the show the EXACT nature. You must read the books that weren't made into the show .. yet, to ever grasp fully what it is and how it showed up on Phoebe.
And before you open your mouth about Spoilers, remember what that verb spoil means.. I have ruined nothing, simply informed him of something he'll have to do beyond watching the show. He can speculate all he wants, but the true answer can only be found a looooong way down the road, beyond the show.
@@ZakhadWOW Another comment for Darren to ignore.
@@ZakhadWOW ...and you just wrote a big spoiler down here!
Yes, it is a pretty big and totally unnecessary spoiler, no matter if you're not able to see it.
Some people just cannot keep their wordhole closed... _smh_
Yeah, I never figured out the catching the vomit thing. I've puked many times in my life but have never had the inclination to have it all over my hands.
In the books, Belter food tends to be heavy on the hot peppers, hence the pepper lights in the the background.
And I read somewhere that in lower gravity your taste buds loose some of their sensitivity, so food will need extra spices to taste good.
@@DanielaDormiaru-ih9xf it's more about food's aromatics don't spread by convection currents in the air in zero g. The majority of what you taste is actually what you smell. It's why food seems bland when you have a head cold.
Also, in micro-gravity, sinuses don't drain normally so astronauts all say they feel stuffed up when they're in space.
Spicy food helps alleviate that, at least to a certain extent, so the notion that Belter cuisine would feature a lot of spicy mushroom dishes seems entirely plausible.
With regards to gene editing, have you seen Gattaca?
7:16 Regarding gene editing and its consequences, if you haven't seen it (which you probably haven't since you didn't mention it here), you absolutely _must_ see Gattaca from 1997. Not only is it a fantastic movie in its own right, but it was filmed in possibly my favourite building in the world, the Frank Lloyd Wright-designed Marin County Civic Center (also the filming location for George Lucas's first feature film THX 1138).
8:27 Regarding Julie seeing a vision of Miller. They _definitely_ didn't know each other, so there is some _other_ explanation. I have my own theory, but I'll hold off until we get a little bit further into the show (at the end of book 1, which isn't here).
Yeah, Chrisjen hadn't yet told anyone about the information she got from DeGraff's pencils. I think she probably was about to when Errinwright showed up and told her that he tracked down the drives, confirmed they were built at the Bush Naval Shipyards for private contracts that took them to Tycho station. DeGraff's pencil data included the drive serial numbers which Chrisjen looked up, both in the normal database and the super-classifed black ops database, neither of which contained the serial numbers. How could Errinwright track down the drives if all information on them had been wiped? Answer: he didn't, everything he said in that conversation was a fabrication to try to throw Chrisjen off the scent.
38:33 Chrisjen _did_ get access to Kenzo, that's _why_ Kenzo stowed away on the Roci. It's why Kenzo was spying on Naomi and Holden in the bar. It's why Errinwright knew that Chrisjen's spy had gone dark (because Kenzo had tried sending messages during the trip and got discovered) when he told her he put out a kill order on Holden.
Yup Gattaca has come onto my radar hard now, thanks to everyone. I love Ethan Hawke, so I NEED to check it out!
Everybody win on Eros
Pftttttt
Fred Johnson NEITHER sent out the Scopuli ( that was Dawes ) NOR received any of Julie’s distress messages.
He was actually working really hard to find out what Dawes had done.
Fred holds the Tech Edge, but Dawes is supreme in his Human Intelligence vis a vie The Belt and the wider OPA operations.
He didn’t even know that Lionel was Julie. Probably never heard the name Julie until Joe tells him.
(Folks, that’s not a spoiler, he’s ahead on his Patreon.)
I’m certain Fred has a few clues, he likely has some dozen paid informants or spies amongst Dawes’ factions, which clued him into where to start looking, but Fred had nothing to do with the intercept mission.
Oddly, though, NEITHER DID DAWES, really.
It really was Julie’s mission. She actually used Dawes at least as much as he did her.
I also think that- for whatever reasons - Dawes also never heard Julie’s messages. That’s never been explained.
TBF, a lot of minor details get left behind ( like minor characters ) as the story steamrolles forward, just enjoy the ride.
Another example: the battleship heading for Tycho… just vanished into thin air.
The battleship heading for Tycho, the Nathan Hale, will be redirected somewhere else in the next episode.
Fred supplied the Scopuli. He says literally that to Holden in S1E6. It is part of the reason he was so curious about what happened to it and why he trained the long range scopes of the Nauvoo on the Donnager Battle. Dawes provided the crew for the Scopuli. The Nathan Hale does not vanish into thin air, as you will see in a few episodes. I think it is implied that Dawes did receive Julie's messages. But he either didn't respond because he didn't want to expose his involvement, or he was satisfied that Julie was holed up in a safe house and retrieving her wasn't urgent.
oh shit, CRISPR mentioned!
Hey, have you seen Gattaca ?
P.S. I love your Patreon notes you've included in the TH-cam edit!
Thanks my friend!
Racism is racism. When you judge other people based on stereotypes rather than individual merit, you are talking about racism. Each of humanity's three subtypes (Earther, Martian, or Belter) views the others as being "lesser" in some way. Notice that the Belters use the term "Innalowda" to describe anyone born in (and grew up in) a gravity well. The term used to describe Joe Miller when we first meet him is "Welwalla," which would translate to "well lover." Discrimination happens everywhere between everyone.
Inyalowda or “inners” is typical in group/out group language.
As usual, though, since “inyalowda” is a term from an oppressed group describing their oppressors it’s a bit awkward to talk about it as “racist” because racism implies a system of oppression.
Welwala is basically “race traitor.” There’s a link to gravity wells in the etymology but it’s not really core to the meaning.
"Inyalowda" (Inner folk) isn't really a pejorative, though. It's directly equivalent to "beltalowda" (Belter folk). Notice also Naomi's use of "milowda" (my folk).
@@Justanotherconsumer, anytime anyone treats another group as not being "human" (whatever that means), it is racism. Everything else is just political posturing.
That is a new definition of racist in order to not be able to call minorities racist. It's not true though. Anybody, literally anybody, can be a racist.
People could not function absent using stereotypes to guide their actions. I'd bet there is a genetic component involved. Your tribe, and the people surrounding you, are deemed safe, based upon how they look and how their behavior mimics your own due to their adoption of the same social customs. Members of the tribe next door look and behave differently, and that triggers a sense of danger when they are around. Fast forward to the modern era, and tribal life is less relevant to everyone, but echoes of it still persist. If presented with the choice of applying stereotypes to a decision you have to make, or not applying any thought at all to it, what method will work best for you? While it is fashionable to say each person must be evaluated on their own individual merit, that is wishful thinking in a busy world where many decisions must be made in seconds on admittedly highly inadequate information. Don't denigrate the use of stereotypes as an aid to making immediate decisions. We all need to educate ourselves as to what stereotypes are invalid in today's world. Education is the key, along with a thirst for learning and a willingness to alter your own assumptions when presented with facts that contradict your beliefs.