To be fair, if you watch the film, after the machine guns stop firing, the camera pans out and up over the field and you see hundreds of dead horses and men scattered about. I guess the Germans were aiming specifically at the men riding, so fewer horses were killed. Either way, War Horse wasn’t all that great of a movie in general, so it’s not worth putting too much thought into it
In real life they would have charged the position with a creeping barrage. By the late 19th century band players were no longer to preferred method of communication on the battlefield. But prior to this, soldiers in the band (who were most often children) were responsible for keeping the formation in step, relaying information to the army commanders, and receiving/disseminating order from the army commanders. This was all done with drums and flutes (later other wind instruments). Despite popular belief, the officers in WW1 were not incompetent and their strategies were often sound, despite having high casualties.
The music is meant to inspire people and guide their movements. As for why they aren’t running...it’s so that they arrive at the enemy in a readied state. Not exhausted or scattered.
@@0IIIIII hmm...infantry should really run though. I mean as a soldier you should have the stamina and training to be able to run, first of all, and arrive in formation. And second, by walking into a hail of gunfire you are losing so many infantry that it hardly makes it worth it. Its just crazy. I assume that is why they all charged during WWI, because it would have been suicide to walk in front of a machine gun as they showed here. Maybe back in the days of pure muskets you could get away with it but once the Maxim came out really, that's suicide
@15 is legal In Europe 'Made famous' as in everyone knows about walking towards machineguns from the Battle of the Somme not 'made famous' as if Haig was the first one to use this tactic. This battle is the most famous representation of this tactic due to how disasterous it was for the British in terms of casualties and the little gains they made; I think it was 20,000 casualties in the first day. Everyone remembers the Somme not any of the other wars you talkes about.
To explain some things about the first scene It's the Russian civil war, right after ww1, the ones charging are the whites, they are out of ammunition, they charge at the entrenched red's and actually win that battle The guy leading them is a badasss who through the war won a ton of battles leading only cavalry The music is "farewell slavianka" (The white version ofc), a marching song, ment to give a rhythm to the march and inspire the men
The small tank in the first WWII clip of this series was a German remote controlled drone tankette with an explosive payload. The Germans were already using explosive drones on the battlefield in 1943.
@@yeshuaislord6880 One not really because that specific tech never went anywhere. We don't use ground based explosive drones even now. Two that doesn't change the fact that it wasn't particularly impressive at all. OP painted it as this grand achievment showcasing how advanced the Nazis were. In reality they were far behind in radio and radar technology by 43. Like with a lot of things they were simply willing to waste a shit ton of ressources on absurd projects because of their idiotic ideology.
Imagine if every soldier with a gun died in that march and it was only the instrumental soldiers left and they just charge with their tubas and somehow beat the red army?
I remember firing a Bren gun in the British army back in the 70's. Was amazed at the power of all these bullets smashing things out front of your. Remember cutting down a tree with around a 10 second burst and watching it fall and starting a fire with the tracer rounds .
I am going take a guess that marching straight into machine gun and artillery fire is not very tactical. That is the strategy of using the dead bodies of your own troops to perhaps bury the enemy eventually.
Ironically, the Whites (the marching bois) won that battle. Though if I had to guess, they probably only won though pure, "wastage'd" manpower; such tactics probably explains why the Whites losted the war in the end.
@@TOFKAS01 i mean yeah it was bad for them to come out in the first place, but if you do, going towards your enemy in formation is much better than scattering across the field
From what i do recall that one scene came from a movie about the russian civil war called the admiral and if i do remember the white army ran out of ammo in that one scene
@@J0hnHenrySNEEDen that's possible but still they should be spread out, running and they should use elements on the flanks. These are 1910s and 1920s. I am not convinced they would fight like this.
@@jakubjanota5086 They were possibly tired, plus they were in a snowy terrain. Much harder to run all the way, so they just used their energy to sprint when near the enemy to quickly melee them. Also, forgot to mention: The side with the machine gun lost that battle pretty hard AFAIK
@@jakubjanota5086spreading out=low morale, no formatiom which means less firepower (in this case less power in punching thru enemy lines) so yeah both methods have flaws although spreading out is usually a worse decision
Even after its invention there was a long period of time where generals didn't understand the impact the machine gun had on battlefields. They were still doing lined formations while marching towards these things.
Marching towards the enemy line is preferred so they could conserve energy for the subsequent fighting, what they do forget is that you should do this during low visibility so they wont gun half your men down before they even reached the first trench
Imagine being new soldier nervous as hell about your upcoming first battle, you’re praying and trying to psych yourself up just before the fight, and then they hand you a trumpet instead of a rifle 😂
yeah, thats not how it works. the band soldiers is a designed unit and they dont put random soldiers who dont know how to play the instruments. since they dont know any songs or how to play the notes that can mess up formations
1st vid was actually after machine guns changed war. That was a battle between Red Soviets and White Tzarists during the Russian revolution. The reason the men charged was because they were out of ammo and had no communications, so last ditch effort they charged, which succeeded after they rallied when the nurse was machine gunned
Music is used to keep a rhythm to your own troops so they march in step and stay organized in formation, which was pivotal for both morale and controlling your own forces.
That scene from Warhorse is sooo good and creative, I love how it's only the shots of the rider-less horses running past. No trying to hard to make a perfect gory death scene.
@@michazeegers Well its a survival bias because you wouldn't see the horses they did kill right? Just like the soldiers, because they are all dead on the field where there are not any shots of.
LikeUnto Buddha not true, the mongols took pride in shooting a rider off his horse, and whoever hit the horse had their bow string cut in disgrace. The Germans also saw horses as a major logistic resource and avoided shooting them if possible.
In the first movie is that based on the Russo-Japanese war, because I’ve heard the imperial Russian troops were still using napoleonic era tactics vastly outdated compared to the standards of most other modern armies, hence why the Japanese won, their tactics were more modern thanks much more significant western influence, if that’s the case then they have really portrayed the Russian side as pretty accurate
Takes such courage for the hundreds of years line infantry attacks v gunpowder etc To walk into a wall of fire, be it machine gun or muskets, can't imagine the terror.
I imagine a big apartment building in Hell, with a floor shared by Maxim, Remington, Browning, Vickers, Kalashnikov and all the rest who keep Hell so well-stocked.
I hope no army could have ever been stupid enough as to come marching through with drums and trumpets walking or just running all together in one large dense formation at your adversary. I mean this wasn’t 1780 or something!
1. "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." 2. "If you know your enemy and yourself, You need not fear the result of a hundred battles." 3. "If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every Victory gain you will also suffer a defeat." 4. "If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle." - Quote by Sun Tzu the art of War making a strategy like 1700s won't work walking towards the enemy line like that in 1915. It's a machine gun they never learn from their enemies. That's why they were killed easily walking towards the enemy line. They did not learn Sun Tzu Quote thats why they are dumbfounded in war.
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Couldn't imagine being a tuba player during that war.
In Russia, they call it Band Practice
🤓 Rite !!
worst it could happen would be you swallowing a bullet through that tuba. XD
almost like the proverbial band playing on a sinking ship
Any other instruments?
Don't think they liked the music.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
But Farewell of Slavianka is great :(
pov: me when the enemy is doing a line battle if b&i was entrenched and i saw one musician killed one guy
The music was certainly killing something
yo you play b and i as well @@BaI_GUY
0:00 The Admiral
1:30 Warhorse
2:32 The Battle of Passchendaele
3:20 Warsaw 44
Danke für Info
Thanks. Shame admin didn't do this
thank u
Thanks a lot
Thanks for the info.
and a few years later this MG grew a pair of wings screaming *BBBRRRTT*
The sound of freedom.
Fairchild Republic A-10C Thunderbolt II
Believe it or not, I know how to fly the jet.
Contended Beatle Did you get to pick what you wanted to fly when you joined the Air Force?
Metru Nui a10 warthog i know ho to fly one
@@carldsouza9436 like i actually don’t believe you fly a real A10 but I believe you know how to fly an A10 is DCS
The horces had a special ability in avoiding all the bullets
To be fair, if you watch the film, after the machine guns stop firing, the camera pans out and up over the field and you see hundreds of dead horses and men scattered about. I guess the Germans were aiming specifically at the men riding, so fewer horses were killed. Either way, War Horse wasn’t all that great of a movie in general, so it’s not worth putting too much thought into it
@@DialgaMarine3 the movie was Great shuush
@Lord Azreal Lais LOL
2:11 LOKI was riding with them! Not surprising the horse live!
HoRsEs*
If I go to war I’m dressing up as a horse
Lmao
Lmao
Me too
Horses were killed too
That might do the trick... or fighting Stormtroopers...
I’m impressed that line lasted as long as it did. Also, the ballsiest tuba player in human history.
Who said musicians were nerds
In real life they would have charged the position with a creeping barrage. By the late 19th century band players were no longer to preferred method of communication on the battlefield. But prior to this, soldiers in the band (who were most often children) were responsible for keeping the formation in step, relaying information to the army commanders, and receiving/disseminating order from the army commanders. This was all done with drums and flutes (later other wind instruments). Despite popular belief, the officers in WW1 were not incompetent and their strategies were often sound, despite having high casualties.
@@themodernfrontiersmenYou are very clueless about how the russians fought during WW1, and directly after in their civil war.
Excellent shooting, missed all the horses.
German bullets only seek human targets, not the animals.
@@TheNemo65 1 more reason to trust german products right?
It did not showed all the scene in the end you can see all the dead men and horses of that battle the name of the movie is war horse
Nono.. that horses has been get buffed armour by WG. Front plate 215mm, side 180mm and rear 135mm. It can move with 19mph speed.
horses can be captured, ridden by the enemy or eaten. so, why kill them?
plus, if you shoot the horse, the rider can still attack on foot.
I thought for sure the band music would deflect the machine gun bullets and artillery shells. Guess not.
+10 dodge
Lawrence Bittke
*When the Bard rolls a 1*
The music is meant to inspire people and guide their movements. As for why they aren’t running...it’s so that they arrive at the enemy in a readied state. Not exhausted or scattered.
@@0IIIIII hmm...infantry should really run though. I mean as a soldier you should have the stamina and training to be able to run, first of all, and arrive in formation. And second, by walking into a hail of gunfire you are losing so many infantry that it hardly makes it worth it. Its just crazy. I assume that is why they all charged during WWI, because it would have been suicide to walk in front of a machine gun as they showed here. Maybe back in the days of pure muskets you could get away with it but once the Maxim came out really, that's suicide
@@radscorpion8 well your opinions on warfare or cinema (intent of the director) doesn’t really matter does it? You’re not an expert
Ah the classic 'human wave walking slowly towards machine-gun fire'. Made famous by Douglas Haig and The Somme
Doesn't mention they were out of ammunition eh?
Rule Britannia!
the manliest army is the one who make you run out of ammunition...u_u
@15 is legal In Europe Read carefully. He said "made famous"
@15 is legal In Europe 'Made famous' as in everyone knows about walking towards machineguns from the Battle of the Somme not 'made famous' as if Haig was the first one to use this tactic. This battle is the most famous representation of this tactic due to how disasterous it was for the British in terms of casualties and the little gains they made; I think it was 20,000 casualties in the first day. Everyone remembers the Somme not any of the other wars you talkes about.
To explain some things about the first scene
It's the Russian civil war, right after ww1, the ones charging are the whites, they are out of ammunition, they charge at the entrenched red's and actually win that battle
The guy leading them is a badasss who through the war won a ton of battles leading only cavalry
The music is "farewell slavianka" (The white version ofc), a marching song, ment to give a rhythm to the march and inspire the men
What battle is that bud?
@@ssen18220 both thankfully dead ironically
@@ssen18220 wrong. And you mean Leon Bronstein. Let’s just be honest here.
They "won" at the cost of nearly everyone
@@samdumaquis2033 Win is win
The small tank in the first WWII clip of this series was a German remote controlled drone tankette with an explosive payload. The Germans were already using explosive drones on the battlefield in 1943.
called Goliath
Sd.Kfz. 303b "Goliath" a remote controlled charge carrier with 100kg of explosives.
Yeah but they were garbage and extremely inefficient.
@@XMysticHeroxWell it was a starting concept
@@yeshuaislord6880 One not really because that specific tech never went anywhere. We don't use ground based explosive drones even now.
Two that doesn't change the fact that it wasn't particularly impressive at all. OP painted it as this grand achievment showcasing how advanced the Nazis were. In reality they were far behind in radio and radar technology by 43. Like with a lot of things they were simply willing to waste a shit ton of ressources on absurd projects because of their idiotic ideology.
Lesson learned from this, don't bring a tuba to a machine gun fight
those were musicians used to communicate and raise morale
And dress like horses 😂😂😂
@@perlasandoval7883 True.
you must give the musicians credit for staying in tune while being machine gunned.
If I know anything from that frist movie the black hats line were the loyalists for the tzar and the mg nest were the revolutionarys red army.
@Imperial Senator Avitus Livius Aquila a pleasure.
Turd Sandwiches vs Giant Douches
when someone just hacking in nepoleon era belike
Hahahaha lmao
mount n blade
Imagine if every soldier with a gun died in that march and it was only the instrumental soldiers left and they just charge with their tubas and somehow beat the red army?
That would've been quite the turn of events
@De Mama41 when they killed that woman they got angry
@@commierule9924 yes I know, long live communism
@@demam41 better dead than red!
@@mr_jihan2006 more like better red than dead
I remember firing a Bren gun in the British army back in the 70's. Was amazed at the power of all these bullets smashing things out front of your. Remember cutting down a tree with around a 10 second burst and watching it fall and starting a fire with the tracer rounds .
3:25 moment that we all waited
Man band used to be way more metal than the kids in highschool were.
Being forced to charge in WW1 (any war in general) would be absolutely terrifying 😬
Falling back is worse.. especially if there are orders for no retreat.
At this stage they were still fighting like if it was the Napoleonic wars.
When the one with the trumpet gets killed, the other picks up the trumpet and PLAYS!!!
what we learned today is that as long as you play Farewell of slavianka on your tuba you are safe.
As soon as the song started like 10 of them died i guess they wanted to "kill the music"
Bard powers
20th century weapons against 19th century tactics.
I am going take a guess that marching straight into machine gun and artillery fire is not very tactical. That is the strategy of using the dead bodies of your own troops to perhaps bury the enemy eventually.
Ironically, the Whites (the marching bois) won that battle. Though if I had to guess, they probably only won though pure, "wastage'd" manpower; such tactics probably explains why the Whites losted the war in the end.
Когда заканчивались патроны , шли в штыковую атаку иногда
Young men mowed down by their hundreds.
Women most affected**
I hate those types of women, always trying to be victims.
I literally lol'd when the marching band started playing. You can tell who was taking a piss when they were handing out the weapons.
"I was a soldier in WW1"
"Oh, what have you done there?"
"I played the Tuba."
"....."
Have you ever head a thing called marching formation and morale?yeah these are probably the most important aspects in combat
@@oskaraskasala8138 Formation... Against machineguns....very important for fertilizing the fields....
@@TOFKAS01 i mean yeah it was bad for them to come out in the first place, but if you do, going towards your enemy in formation is much better than scattering across the field
@@TOFKAS01 and you obviously dont understand how important morale is for your troops
@@oskaraskasala8138 Ah yes, the very high morale when you get blown away by machineguns.... Lol....
The first attack was bad even by 1870s standarts. They would be crushed even if the enemy didnt have machineguns.
From what i do recall that one scene came from a movie about the russian civil war called the admiral and if i do remember the white army ran out of ammo in that one scene
@@J0hnHenrySNEEDen that's possible but still they should be spread out, running and they should use elements on the flanks. These are 1910s and 1920s. I am not convinced they would fight like this.
@@jakubjanota5086 They were possibly tired, plus they were in a snowy terrain. Much harder to run all the way, so they just used their energy to sprint when near the enemy to quickly melee them.
Also, forgot to mention: The side with the machine gun lost that battle pretty hard AFAIK
@@jakubjanota5086spreading out=low morale, no formatiom which means less firepower (in this case less power in punching thru enemy lines) so yeah both methods have flaws although spreading out is usually a worse decision
Crazy how wars were back then. Standing face to face with a gun pointed at you, no cover at all.
Even after its invention there was a long period of time where generals didn't understand the impact the machine gun had on battlefields. They were still doing lined formations while marching towards these things.
Когда заканчивались патроны , шли в штыковую атаку иногда
Marching towards the enemy line is preferred so they could conserve energy for the subsequent fighting, what they do forget is that you should do this during low visibility so they wont gun half your men down before they even reached the first trench
when my bro tries to make me hear his mixtape on sound cloud
Amazing none of the horses got shot in the second clip. Truly great marksmanship.
Imagine being new soldier nervous as hell about your upcoming first battle, you’re praying and trying to psych yourself up just before the fight, and then they hand you a trumpet instead of a rifle 😂
yeah, thats not how it works. the band soldiers is a designed unit and they dont put random soldiers who dont know how to play the instruments. since they dont know any songs or how to play the notes that can mess up formations
Wow. Armies really did used to march to the beat, until that fateful day in 1863 when Mr Gatling came to town. World changed to worse...
Nobody:
General: if you guys want to win the war, Don t take a gun or a sword, but please take a tuba and walk on the battlefield.
these lads have balls of steel to play instruments while walking towards a wall of machine gun fire
The War Horse clip is just singularly impactful
2:12 hey it's Loki.
Marching in step towards slaughter!
alternative title: people realizing that walking into a line of fully automatic weapons all aimed at you is a bad idea
That band should be a priority target.
The last scene with the girl was depressing lmao
"ha you can shoot me"
"Yeah they so stupid"
"Oh nevermind"
Wth is this playing musical instruments instead of fighting while getting absolutely hammered?
white Russian still use napoleon era tactics
Rite !!!
So that the Units will be inspired and make their Morale High
Thats what happens when your military doesn't evolve and keep the old ways of doing things.. they had to many old Generals.
How else do you think they got soundtracks back in the day?
I fucking lost it when I saw the old school line formation warfare against machine guns lmao
I wish you included Banzai charge charging US Marines with machine guns.
*sees that Goliath*
Shit, here goes that freakin bug
First one is from the movie admiral, and is the last stand for the white army.
1st vid was actually after machine guns changed war. That was a battle between Red Soviets and White Tzarists during the Russian revolution. The reason the men charged was because they were out of ammo and had no communications, so last ditch effort they charged, which succeeded after they rallied when the nurse was machine gunned
the first one was like soldiers encountering the tank for the first time..
I don't think a marching band will provide the necessary intimidation. Especially if it's a happy tune.
It's to inspire their own side
Music is used to keep a rhythm to your own troops so they march in step and stay organized in formation, which was pivotal for both morale and controlling your own forces.
@olderthangranite black bear intensifies
..the marching band was playing the Looney tunes!🎵🎶🎃
Wouldn't exactly call Farewell of Slavianka a happy tune.
did the white Russians learn anything from ww1?
No
They was thinking that communist russians are dumb like white russians
They had no ammunition, they say so right before the charge.
It's only a moovie.
Excuse me they won world war 2 so yes they did
British command planning the 1916 Somme offensive: we'll pretend we didn't see that.
World War I was one of the most catastrophic events in human history.
Yes. And The Usual Suspects who start most wars, started it.
Until WW2
@@bowieupland6112 blacks?
@@martang4497Which was caused by what? Thats right, Germany losing WW1.
@@matthewjones39 You are correct.
The name of this movie should be:
COME GET SOME!
The commander ORDER THE ATTACK BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE MORE AMUNITION .THE BETTER PLAN WAS TO HOLD POSITION AND WAIT FOR THE ENEMY.
Can’t believe they didn’t include the Gatling gun scene from ‘The Last Samurai’ in this
That scene from Warhorse is sooo good and creative, I love how it's only the shots of the rider-less horses running past. No trying to hard to make a perfect gory death scene.
Seems a bit unrealistic to me, that they managed only to kill the soldiers without hitting the horses.
@@michazeegers Well its a survival bias because you wouldn't see the horses they did kill right? Just like the soldiers, because they are all dead on the field where there are not any shots of.
@@michazeegerswhat the clip didn’t show was the aftermath which was a field of dead horses
Hey you know what would be best in the infantry
The world : soldiers
Russia : a fraking band
I really feel bad got the soldiers being shot
The band vibin tho
First one was so sad and funny at the same time
Lesson of the day: Never bring a sword to a machine gun fight especially when your up on your high horse 😎😂
Wow I'm laughing so hard. Not
Amazing, horses were bullet proof or immortal!!
1:45 so did anyone else notice every horse lived 😅😂😂😂 they must of been crack shots to just shoot the soldiers off the horse😂😵
Apparently, the British horses are invincible.
That moment when the Russian's boss music is innfective
I know it is a movie. But when being attacked by Calvary, you always aim for the horses.
LikeUnto Buddha not true, the mongols took pride in shooting a rider off his horse, and whoever hit the horse had their bow string cut in disgrace. The Germans also saw horses as a major logistic resource and avoided shooting them if possible.
Yes lets all walk in neat lines for the enemy machine-gunner
„And near 6000 warriors, we stopped them on the run. The bravest of the brave could never match the Maxim gun.“
Dang...talk about having to rethink your strategy...
What is this target practice?
Imagine hearing that fuckin thing going off and then being told "get the fuck up there buddy and get em"
credits must of had a message of something like "no horses were harmed or killed in the making of this movie. Couple hundred men died however"
Last samurai ?
The best tactic of all is walking on the front lines while the machine guns shooting at you
You’d think that when they saw their men being mowed down, they’d have at least hit the ground!
"We're getting shot to pieces!" "Send in the band."
H O W
the transition; fighting traditional charging ways vs shot and cover period.
what a Waste of lifes. No wonder it swallowed huge casualties
Don't bring a Trompete to a Machine Gun Fight ☝🏼
"Heehee! I'm safe behind this wa-" *Gets shot with a 20mm anti aircraft shell*
War is a game of musical chairs but there are no chairs except thrones.
Everyone dies 0:03
Lets rock guys!!
What’s the name of the song the Russian band is playing? I feel like I’ve heard it
Farewell of slavianka
This is especially sad as my brother can play this piece on brass so well.
I like the scene in the last clip (Warsaw 44) , where the girl is thrown through the room from the 20mm hit... first time I see this in a movie...
That musket march towards machine gun fire was just sad to watch... Poor souls didn't have adaptable strategies in an industrialized war.
They out of ammo that why they charging
2:12 loki
Lol
Whats insane is the army in tranches actually ends up losing😮😮😮 from being overwhelmed😅
i always think if i was born elsewhere at some other time... i too could meet my early fate
In the first movie is that based on the Russo-Japanese war, because I’ve heard the imperial Russian troops were still using napoleonic era tactics vastly outdated compared to the standards of most other modern armies, hence why the Japanese won, their tactics were more modern thanks much more significant western influence, if that’s the case then they have really portrayed the Russian side as pretty accurate
A genuis military manuver...walk..walk slowly torwards machine gun fire!!! Lol play music while your at it for moral support! Lol!!!
LOL. Good one.
@TheWingsofprey No need to be a general in order to have basic common sense.
Takes such courage for the hundreds of years line infantry attacks v gunpowder etc To walk into a wall of fire, be it machine gun or muskets, can't imagine the terror.
I imagine a big apartment building in Hell, with a floor shared by Maxim, Remington, Browning, Vickers, Kalashnikov and all the rest who keep Hell so well-stocked.
I hope no army could have ever been stupid enough as to come marching through with drums and trumpets walking or just running all together in one large dense formation at your adversary. I mean this wasn’t 1780 or something!
Why would you just walk towards the lines like that
1. "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
2. "If you know your enemy and yourself, You need not fear the result of a hundred battles."
3. "If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every Victory gain you will also suffer a defeat."
4. "If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."
- Quote by Sun Tzu the art of War
making a strategy like 1700s
won't work walking towards the enemy line like that in 1915. It's a machine gun they never learn from their enemies. That's why they were killed easily walking towards the enemy line. They did not learn Sun Tzu Quote thats why they are dumbfounded in war.
@@addyyang5691 ik im 3 years late, but those walking soldiers actually won the battle
Absolutely crazy how people were just expected to march into that...
Imagine bringing a trumpet to a gun fight.