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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ธ.ค. 2020
- 2nd quick video showing the awning still leaks, even after Darche's recommendations....
Some background details.
To: Info - Darche
Subject: Darche Eclipse 270 awning bag water proof question?
Hi,
Is the Darche 270 awning bag supposed to be water proof?
The reason I ask is that when I recently purchased the awning from (known reseller), I was advised it is water proof and the awning will remain dry in wet weather when packed away.
Unfortunately this is not the case and the awning bag is full of water and here in QLD it won’t be long before the awning is moldy and useless.
I must admit we are very unsure what to do or how to rectify the problem.
Kind regards
Brett
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Response from Darche 15 Dec 2020
Hi Brett,
Thanks for getting in touch. The design of our Eclipse 180 and 270 awnings allows for the PVC cover to be replaceable and customer feedback has been that the ability to replace the cover is a bonus with our awnings. 4WDing mishaps as well as underground car park accidents mean that the cover on these awnings sometimes comes off second best and replacing the cover is always a better option than replacing the entire awning.
Unfortunately, to make this design possible, it is impossible to make the covers 100% waterproof. We have found that at times water does make its way into the cover from the grooves behind the awning.
To alleviate the majority of water ingress from here we have included 4 rubber grommets with our awnings which must be reinstated into the grooves once the mounting bolts are inserted. If you’ve lost or misplaced the rubber grommets originally included with your awning we’ll be happy to send a replacement set, we’ll just need you to reply with your address.
Water ingress can also occur under the Velcro tabs behind the awning, possibly when washing your vehicle with a hose or high pressure washer. Please ensure these Velcro tabs are as tight as possible and try to avoid this area when washing your vehicle.
Another tip is to leave the zip tabs at the lowest section of the awning with a slight gap to allow any water to escape.
I hope that was helpful, please let us know if there’s anything else we can assist with.
Cheers,
Darche Rep.
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The new bag has covers on the ends, is bigger and has a built in pole holder for the extra 3 poles.. no leaks so far.
This is an extremely helpful video and has made me reconsider purchasing this. Thank you 🏆
You're welcome!
Hope you got this sorted. I hate issues like this that scream “no one bothered to field test this before we sold it” 😡. Simply unacceptable.
Hi, Unfortunately Darche did not want to come to the party and replace the awning with one that didn't leak, simply because there wasnt. Í also asked to confirm in writting if there was any R&D done with respect to the water ingress issue and got crickets. Darche also hasnt reched out to say here is a new bag, try this we hope this resolves the water issues and the mould. As a shade option it is great but as soon as H2O is around pack it away and sit under an umbrella.....
Thank you, I had just ordered this Awning for my 80series, I better cancel the order tomorrow. They didn’t say anything about this leaking problem. I’ve had the Rhino Awning on my 100 series for almost 3 years now and haven’t had a problem Except it’s not strong, and it’s the only reason why I ordered this one.
Glad I could help
Mine's fine, I haven't had an issue and from what I've seen they've all got a similar design and zips. That materials and build quality are great. If the water is getting in when stationery, one option would be impregnating all or part of the zip with waterproofing spray. The negative/trade off is, you probably want the zip to breathe and waterproofing it would probably impede it breathing. If while driving/the leading edge is being hit with rain try a waterproof bag on the leading end. I'm super impressed with mine and would buy it again/recommend it.
Hi Craig, I agree and in my other videos you will hear me endorse the awning. Having said that I've also been approached to see if I want to be part of a group action re the ingress issues. I'm one of many who have the issue and by all accounts it is not correct for the reseller to state it is water proof when Darche themselves have confirmed it is not water proof and waster will get in. I have however managed to significantly reduce the amount getting in by the placement of the poles, completely refitting the bag, soaping the zips, putting wax on the outside etc etc. It works well enough, I just know I need to open the bag and dry it when the needs be.
@@dirtbnb8863 good day, mate. Would you be so kind as to post a video on how you did it and what you used?
I would like to know more, please. Thank you!
Hi, Ive already posted a vid on my attempt to prevent the water getting in and how to situate the poles on top. Is that what your after? Even with what I do now water still gets in and the awning has mould in\on the material.
@@dirtbnb8863 thanks. Yes, that's what I'm after. Was wondering if you had figured out a different solution for that, seeing as you mentioned some R&D ideas, but I'll definitely check out your other videos.
Thank you for the honest review, I am now wondering if the other brand awnings have the same issue..
As you would've heard in my reviews, the awning is brilliant. Holds up to all weather conditions ( ** can't confirm snow yet) really well. I love the awning and it really suits my needs well. Sadly tho there is water ingress in the bag when it rains. Just dealing with it is what it is Cheers.
I have a drifta/Supa peg awning which was dry until I ripped the bag. But the wax converters canvas doesn’t get mouldy ever. It’s amazing quality canvas. The canvas has been wet or damp for years now.
We looked at Drifta and it is a fantastic bit of kit. For personal reasons, and a difference of opions regarding traffic laws, made in Australia vs made in China and finished in Oz laws and interpretations etc etc we won't purchase anything from Drifta.
I have a 23zero 270 degree awning. I can confirm it doesn't have this same issue. And I would say comparable quality in terms of canvas, brackets and poles. I'd highly recommend checking them out!!
its a bloody good awning the 23zero. If the 270 came with the annex room I was getting it, sadly at the time it didnt.
Not too sure if the issue was resolved but if you silcon up the bag on the back plate and spray some waterproofing on the bag it's 100% seals. The water gets in from the tracks on the back plate. Darche has a sealable bag in the making
I've held off doing the Silicon option for now. Appreciate the advice. Cheers
While it’s not a fix and Darche really should fix this you could use iron man quick release mounts to be able to take the awning off when not camping this will reduce the expose to rain and limit mould growth especially in qld
I have considered that, as well I have a possible solution. Just waiting on the next rain to see how effective my fix is. another vid on its way asap :-)
Interesting. I haven’t had this issue with my 180 awning (that I’ve noticed) and my car is out in the weather 24/7. Is it happening while driving or just sitting in the driveway? Do you keep the zips up the side of the awning at the far end so the water isn’t driving into the zips at the front where they meet (the zipper tags) while driving in the rain ? We are getting a fair bit of rain at the moment so I’ll check mine when it fines up just to make sure it’s not something I haven’t noticed happening.
I've tried every combo for zip locations possible, I've found if I keep them towards the rear where the lowest point of the bag is (per Darche recommendations) less water gets in. :-) Good to know the 180 isn't as bad. Happens when parked or driving. Last weekend we parked with another vehicle with the 270 and they have the exact same issue with theirs. He didn't have one of the black grommets on the bottom... water ingress was from top. From Darche:
"Unfortunately, to make this design possible, it is impossible to make the covers 100% waterproof. We have found that at times water does make its way into the cover from the grooves behind the awning. To alleviate the majority of water ingress from here we have included 4 rubber grommets with our awnings which must be reinstated into the grooves once the mounting bolts are inserted. Water ingress can also occur under the Velcro tabs behind the awning, possibly when washing your vehicle with a hose or high pressure washer. Please ensure these Velcro tabs are as tight as possible and try to avoid this area when washing your vehicle. Another tip is to leave the zip tabs at the lowest section of the awning with a slight gap to allow any water to escape."
I have the same problem. Not as much water as you but still too much. When are you posting your remedy vid? Thanks again.
upto my 3rd attempt to keep water out, just waiting on rain to do genuine test. Stops about 75% getting in... still gets in but.......hopefully this time when it rains most is kept out
My darche 270 went mouldy before I even used it once. Like the mould was in the bag already.
I've spoken to multiple camping stores and 4x4 accessory specialists and they all same the same, some have arrived to them mouldy. One tent world rep stated they had raised this with Darche and they said it might be because they were in storage for a long time waiting to get to Oz ... or be shippded from storage... either way its not good
While I appreciate your honesty, it certainly has complicated my selection. As an existing Darche customer looking for a 270 awning, reckon I will look elsewhere.
These are a fantastic awning and its unfortunate it suffers water ingress as it does. I have got a work around that reduces the water ingress, just waiting on the next lot of rain to do the next vid and confirm if it is a viable option.
@@dirtbnb8863 Cheers for the feedback. The surprisingly similar looking Peregrine 270 Awning from 23 ZERO seems to have addressed the issue of water ingress into the bag rather well. While I will look out for your mod, reckon I will save myself some hassle and a couple of hundred dollars and get the one from 23Zero. Evidently their awning is a bit easier to get back into its slightly larger bag too.
Hi Mate, can I ask what type of brackets you used to mount the awning. I just have bars like your and can’t find anything!!
Hi Joel, I used the brackets that came with the awning. Four U bolts and lock nuts. I havent put the middle bracket on. Cheers
Hi dirt BnB...Please let me know what brand and model the top roof cross bar is, it's very nice. Thanks for the info.
Hi The cross bars are the Nissan Factory cross bars. Same as the BMW X5 ones, purchased from USA.
I Have just purchased this awning and confirm the storage bag is not fit for purpose , Darche sent a seal kit but still leaks ,
if you remember to air it out it does dry reasonably quickly. best I got sorry.
@@dirtbnb8863 yeah thanks mate understand but as you have indicated elsewhere for the price and brand expectations, you should not have to do this , and also considering the kings cheapy that i had before this, didn't leak !! it was very disappointing, anyway ill go down the refund road , get something better designed
I’ve never had an issue with my Eclipse 180 after 3 years.
Got to be happy with that
Is this the Gen2 version? Such a pain as it was top of my list 🤔
Yes this is the Gen 2. I have discovered how to stop 75% of the water ingress. Vid will be posted shortly. It is not water tight but a heck of a lot better.
where can you find the replacement 270 awning cover?? TIA
Hi, I'd suggest Darche themselves
Is this a Darche eclipse gen 2 version or gen 1?
gen 2
Mine went moldy 😢
its sub optimal alright....
Looking at awnings and after this video will be crossing Darche off the list, 23 zero seems to be a good product, bought their bandit swag and love it, Darche also has problems with their swags taking in water. Why in the hell dont they fix these problems, seems a good product otherwise.
per my previous responses the 23zero was on the list...... but this meets my requirements for now. I have the Dirty Dee swag and touch wood no issues... ill be posting a review on that shortly
Like their swags leaks water at the first sign of rain 😂
Tony I have a Dirty Dee swag and it doesn't leak at all. Must be lucky in that regard :-)
If they know it’s a problem u would think they would fix it by making a new type of bag 🤷♂️
The official response from Darche is this:
Hi,
Thanks for getting in touch. The design of our Eclipse 180 and 270 awnings allows for the PVC cover to be replaceable and customer feedback has been that the ability to replace the cover is a bonus with our awnings. 4WDing mishaps as well as underground car park accidents mean that the cover on these awnings sometimes comes off second best and replacing the cover is always a better option than replacing the entire awning. Unfortunately, to make this design possible, it is impossible to make the covers 100% waterproof. We have found that at times water does make its way into the cover from the grooves behind the awning. To alleviate the majority of water ingress from here we have included 4 rubber grommets with our awnings which must be reinstated into the grooves once the mounting bolts are inserted. If you’ve lost or misplaced the rubber grommets originally included with your awning we’ll be happy to send a replacement set, we’ll just need you to reply with your address.
Water ingress can also occur under the Velcro tabs behind the awning, possibly when washing your vehicle with a hose or high pressure washer. Please ensure these Velcro tabs are as tight as possible and try to avoid this area when washing your vehicle. Another tip is to leave the zip tabs at the lowest section of the awning with a slight gap to allow any water to escape.
I hope that was helpful, please let us know if there’s anything else we can assist with.
Cheers,
75 Heyington Ave, Thomastown, VIC 3074, Australia
T: 1300 367 695
Just install three brass eyelets as drains, forward, aft and amidships at the lowest point. The problem is solved,
Cheers from Michael. Australia.
good suggestion. not sure I want mud wasps and other creatures living in the bag. Have you done this to yours and did it work or are you just sharing your idea?
Waste of money.
in hindsight going with a different brand may be better. But for my use it was the only 270 on the market with the annex room at the time... but that annex is also a fail from Darche when it rains... maybe your right LOL