DC Garage's 3.5L Ecoboost Swapped Mustang
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2016
- This 2012 Mustang originally rolled off the assembly line with a 3.7L V6, which the owner swapped for a 3.5L Ecoboost V6 from an F-150. Check out his channel for more on this car - • 3.5L EcoBoost Swapped ...
- ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Ford would never do an Ecoboost V6 mustang because they KNOW it would tick off all the stock Coyote boys when they get their butts handed to them by a V6.
Well it's already happened with the F150's. Stock for stock the 3.5 is more powerful and faster.
@@2KCamaroZ28SS To be fair, ford could also just throw a couple baby turbos on the Coyote, have it make like 700hp and charge an extra $20k. Maybe make that the new Raptor and GT engine, use the turbo v6 as the eco boost line, and keep the 4 banger for the regular cars.
@@S197Matty not with emissions being a thing they couldnt
@@MrEvilTag They absolutely could. Gasoline engines are becoming waaaaay more efficient by the year. Look at the leap in power and efficiency between the gen1 coyote and gen3. Putting a few turbos, playing with the fuel map and timing. They absolutely could do it. Only reason they wont is because of the rnd it would take to get it to follow emissions wouldnt be seen as worth it to them with their new ev mustang line and all the time and money invested in that and their other eco boost engines.
Edit: but slapping turbos on an older coyote and registering in a non emissions county is always an option 😁
@@S197Matty im assuming you havent seen the next wave of federal emissions? Even turbos 4s will have trouble
Being a turbo Subaru build guy who built a 600whp+ STI, I can only say that if this car went into production it would crush the market.
Sure you have a 600hp sti
John Doe till the turbo v8 guys show up and shit on the v6s
guerrerok90 too heavy boi
@@guerrerok90 yea i mean i think these engines are cool but its 3.5 v6 dohc with twins on it and aftermarket tuning etc on top of that of course it could prob pull a stock 5.0 lol. The 5.0s get nasty soon as you either spin em to 8k with cams and a cj and/or throw a blower or turbo(s) on em.
I just had a Fox body revelation
Jaime Flores an SVO.
I love your explaination and how you're getting great HP and keeping the customers best interest in mind. Really like that fact that also that you're not trying to make a name for yourself by saying we're better based upon getting max HP. Apparently you have done that. Most definitely would let you tune anything for me. Good Job.
apreciate that, thank you
4 cylinder Ecoboost should be the base model. Eco boost 3.5 at 380 hp next and the 500 hp gt. And a 800 hp gt500
That’s 380 to the wheels, 440 crank. It’s making more than a stock GT.
@@Pepsiaddicto gt's make 400+whp stock. They claim 460hp crank but they're more like 480hp
Knowing Ford it probably wouls be 450hp like the version in the Raptor and since that is around the same power as the 5.0 coyote the 5.2 Voodoo (flat plane crank) from the GT350/GT350R
That wont happen. The 3.5 would outclass the gt in every way
Dante P that’s exactly what I’m thinking, except that the naturally aspirated Coyote engine is more reliable in the long run...And I think if Ford would ever do that it would definitely kill the American V8 - cause their American muscle car peers might follow as well especially if the sales boom..
Love the attention to detail put into a tune! Ethics!
Amazing tune and setup big shout out to mike at Mpt performance he remotely tuned my car while I provided him data logs without a passenger while street driving my car all this on low boost 6.5 psi and car seems to fly can’t wait to retune next spring for 12 psi on E-85! If anyone wants their mustang tuned it should be from only Mike at MPT performance period ! Extremely intelligent man! You rock brother
Lol when they tried to censor "holy fuck balls"
That six is jus ready to make the power. That's awesome
not sure if ford would ever put the 3.5 in these becsuse it will step on the v8s toes. But that 2.7 would be a fun little motor too. especially if the car was lightened a little
matt helton nah. It wouldnt sell. There are 2 types of mustang buyers. V8 lovers, and chicks and retirees who get the base model. Thats why they cancelled the V6 to move more ecoboosts for CAFE purposes.
The 2.7L is garbage! Just look at the new Edge ST Ecoboost 2.7L. It's a fuck'n puss motor...
@@fobbitoperator3620 Then why is it the fastest engine option for the F-150 both 0-60 and in the 1/4 mile? It leaves the 5.0 way behind and even beats the 3.5. It might just be that the Edge ST sucks and isn't worth the money.
@@callofgamer24 Are you really trying to convince me that the 2.7 L turbo V6 is better than the 3.5L turbo V6, & the Coyote 5.0L V8??
Right about now, roughly 128 people who read your comment, wonder just how much crack you've smoked in the last 13 minutes. My guess, is all of it...
@@fobbitoperator3620 You obviously don't own a current F-150 and/or have never driven one. Even though the 2.7 and 5.0 both have 400 ft-lbs of torque, the 2.7 hits peak torque at low rpms where the 5.0 needs to be revved out and feels sluggish in comparison. There are tons of videos out there proving that the 2.7 IS the fastest stock F-150 engine. The 5.0 can only beat the 2.7 with aftermarket mods.
"Too much Horsepower"
I never laughed so hard in my life
3.5 Ecoboost makes more horsepower than the 5.0
@@clarkmclean2345 and how much does an ecoboost make? And now what does a GT mustang make ?
@@theejoeylee the 3.5 ho which is in the raptor makes 450 crank and the 3rd gen coyote makes I think 450-460 crank so they are around the same the regular 3.5 I think is around 350 crank
He is probably talking about too much power for the stock bottom end
Well, if you start snapping welds on the unibody and breaking rear differentials, then yeah, you're making too much horsepower, , , (technically)
Your a great guy and I love your message as a tuner a business man nd a fellow car gar that knows a bit more.
The advice you gave to keep the numbers a bit more moderate for reliability.. thats whatsup. And you mentioned that he kept the cats
Any chance you could list all the parts needed for this swap
Dear Ford please make a 3.5l ecoboost mustang or 2wd four door car.. I'll be the first to buy one!
If Ford had given the SHO a manual and rear biased AWD I would have been all over it!
Called a Ford Taurus...back in 2009 or 10...Lincoln MKT I believe which is Taurus platform...very fast, like the Explorer and the Ford Flex...very fast cars!
I know all about the awd Ecoboost SHO. I own one. Unleashed Tuned, port meth injection, Downpipes,170 Ratstat thermostat. Love it just wish it was RWD!
In Australia we have the Falcon. Current XR8 is a 335kw rwd manual/automatic beast.
Ford needs to bring back the thunderbird as a long wheelbase mustang now that the boring fusion and taurus are going bye bye. And make a 4 door as a facon and a Lincoln version, bring the Zephyr name back.
I was very hesitant on swapping my V6 new edge with the same engine... This video helped me solidify my decision 😛
Yeah dollar for dollar it's cheaper and easier to get into the 500 hp realm with a 3.5 from a junkyard.
Would love to see an AWD Mustang, but that would likely require an AT....but it'd be an American Skyline GTR. That would be totally sweet.
Long term, I would love to do that with this car, but it's no simple task. But rather than conventional AWD, I would ultimately like to put two electric motors on the front wheels to give it a bit of a boost.
This comment had me considering the weight distribution of a GTR vs a late model Mustang GT.... And I was surprised at the info that Google turned up. The GTR is 60/40 and Mustang is 52/48?! This idea isn’t as far fetched as I thought. Put me on the waitlist for that Mustang!!
Bring back the falcon four door awd, but the mustang shouldn’t get the all wheel drive because that would be out of class. I don’t need more Mach E’s running around
Working on it.
Ford Escape is the same wheelbase .
I've been dreaming about this swap for a long time now. Glad someone's finally done it. Wonder how much the 3.5 weighs compared to the 5.0.
Only about 20-30 pounds lighter than the Coyote unfortunately after you add in the weight of the turbos and everything. It should improve the polar moment slightly too though and I made an effort to move as much weight as I could rearward in this car.
Fuel economy would be the biggest gain here.
@@bennettfriesen33 maybe if you baby it which if he’s put in this much time, effort and money into this swap he’s not going to. My bolt on and tuned 3.5 gets 13 mpg on 93 tune and my buddy’s 5.0 gets 13-14 mpg (both same year and crew cab f150s)
@@hunterburch2675 I need about 2 tanks of gas for a day at the track. I have no idea what that works out to in mpg, but it has to be low single digits. I will drive it to and from the track though, and can get high 20s on the highway. Slightly better than a 5.0, but not quite as good as I got with the 3.7.
That thing is awesome. Would love to see a similar swap into a Fox or SN95.
Me too
Wanting to build a touge style new edge mustang but can't decide what engine to swap. I was thinking the 3.7 cyclone or 3.5 EcoBoost and am considering the 2.3 EcoBoost
@@brolly2479 I wasn’t familiar with touge until I just looked them up. Pretty interesting styling.
I got lucky when I got my 98 V6 Mustang. Previous owner wrecked his GT and put every part he could on his V6 Mustang. And I got it for really cheap all done up because he had to move quick. That was one of my best cars.
My stock engine 2.3 ecoboost makes 400whp. I would love for ford to come out with a 3.5 ecoboost mustang. Ecoboost is a awesome platform!
Right on!
Alright guys this is very interesting it took me away from the V8 coyote swap project since the coyotes are expensive in my country I really want to go with these Ecoboost technology they are very cool
He's awesome !
well done!
"Might have too much power" LOL. Where can I sign up?
What he means is "too much torque at low RPM load" like passing in 6th with the pedal to the floor. Extremely common failure point for these related smaller turbo direct injection engines (ecoboost, mazda's DISI) - mazda guys have been calling it the zoom zoom boom for a long time now.
+arc00ta Holy fuckballs! A sarcasm font on my phone would be AWESOME.
Everyone already knows there isn't such a thing as too much power, so I didn't sense any sarcasm ;D
That car would SPANK any mustang GT 😂😂 I still love the 5.0L but that car would kill them!
Spank any stock gt or light modded...fbo 5.0s with cj intake and other minor stuff gets the 5.0 upwards of 500 rwhp....and once you throw forced induction to the 5.0 its game over. These engines are really cool and seeing one in a stang is cool but dont get too excited thinking it can stomp on ANY gt.
Not a tuned GT with intake, and full exhaust including headers. My 13 has that and makes power in the 470 whp range depending on pulls and conditions.
that ecoboost 3.5 v6 would absolutely spank any efi ford 302 v8!!
IF my 2.3 blows up then I'm swapping a 3.5 eb
I think that car is in my town. I'll have to keep an eye out.
Gainesville or Orlando?
very nice! enjoyed this video :)
Pretty amazing
Its about time!!!
I want to do this for my S550.
What ECU are you using to power that 3.5 and did you use the f150 engine harness or fab your own. Thanks. This is badass!!!
Wanting to build a touge style new edge mustang but can't decide what engine to swap. I was thinking the 3.7 cyclone or 3.5 EcoBoost and am considering the 2.3 EcoBoost thoughts.
If the aftermarket was stronger and the 3.5 eco came in more "sport" platforms from the factory I think this engines real potential could be shown... it's basically a GTR motor from an American company... over 1000hp should be easy on this long block with the right recipe.
Just look at the new Ford GT. What engine does it have? 😎
@@2KCamaroZ28SS plus Chip Ganassi and Multimatic spent 4 years competing in IMSA and the WEC with it. I'd think that this combined with the number of Ford models that are/were outfitted with this engine, that there'd be a much larger aftermarket presence for it (through Ford Racing or Roush Yates at the very least) but oh well 🤷🏾♂️
@@MrDAllen1124 yeah there's not a whole lot. Ford Performance builds the engines for the Ford GT. I don't see why there wouldn't be some compatibility. I've got a 5.0 Mustang and a 3.5 Expedition with a tune from 5 Star Tuning. It's pretty wild what that engine is capable of. Very strong. Runs circles around all the V8 pickups and SUV's.
Very nice. 70% the same as the GT
They should have done at least a twin ecoboost 3.5 liter without any other engine modifications but plenty of suspension upgrades and just called it the Shelby GT350
agree
That things badass
Yes it is. Do you have any cool projects in the works?
Custom mounts/ driver shaft? How much of it, if any, bolts up?
Watching this 5 years later. I want to build this car. Holy Shat!!!! So freaking cool. Ford should drop the 5.0 at this point and go with this.
Yep.
Didn’t know that the T82 manual transmission comes also with the v6 3.7 I thought it comes only with the v8 coyotes 2011+
i wanna do this to my 01 mustang now
Would you mind please to tell me how i can make this tuning available for my project since I live far away from you guys is there any contact online to tune my project???
so sick
Wow amazing numbers! Instead of the 4 banger Ford should have offered a 3.5 turbo!! I guess upping the 5.0 would not be wise...LOL
badass!!!
I love the fact that he kept it manual instead of putting a sissy matic into it, if ford did this instead of the 4 banger eco boost version i would buy 1, but I'd like them to give us a GT package 640hp V6 from the 2017 GT just to troll the V8 people.
What transmission was fitted up to the engine?
Would be interesting to feel out that boost with the direct connection a manual offers
Agreed
I would love to shove this drive train in my 3200lb 2wd Ranger
I know Ford needed to protect the 5.0, but this was a missed opportunity on their part to make a Shelby GT390.
Good point
man i just bought a 21 gt 10 speed premium, and i agree to the fullest extent...the 3.5 might not sound as good as the 5.0, but with a tune, and bolt ons, it would make the both the 2.3 ecobosst, and even the 5.0 look like blasts from the past ....a 3.5 ecoboost would not only eat 5.0 sales, but it would also outshine most of these m3's and q50's aswell given how popular stangs are by default...the 2.3 has potential, but would never sound as good or even out perform the 3.5tt stock for stock and the buzzy i4 exhaust note alone is what drives alot of stang fans in the opposite direction..it's similar with how dodge never upgraded the 5.7 with more hp so 392 sales would not be harmed, and also the reason why vw never armed the gli's and jettas with the infamous i5 turbo so it wouldn't harm audi's sales...marketing overall sucks to say the least..
Have you guys tuned very many of these swaps? Are they even out there? You mention keeping power down. Are you that worried the motor will pop if you bumped it up to say 460hp? If I do go with a 3.5L it would be in a weekend only type of car. Maybe do 4k at most a year. Wouldn't care if I blew it up in a few years.
Picture of you could get near GT performance from the engine then modify the suspension to improve handling. Maybe add kevlar and carbon parts to vital panels etc.
Would be slick for sure.
The only real limit on that engine is the mechanical fuel pump. Forged internals, higher boost, that would be a MONSTER
Mechanical fuel pump? ecoboost don't use mechanical fuel pumps.
Yes they do. www.stangtv.com/tech-stories/engine/ecoboost-build-600-plus-horsepower-from-a-livernois-built-3-5-v6/
Terran499 wow i stand corrected.
supposedly on the new 3.5 Ecoboost in the Raptor and GT they use dual pumps.
All the EcoBoost cars have 2 pumps, an electric pump in tank, plus the HPFP on the engine. The next gen EcoBoost (Raptor, etc.) will have auxiliary MPI in addition to the DI though which should be a cool combo. I'm certainly considering adding aux MPI to this one too down the road a little.
Never seen many ecoboost f150 swaps in a mustang.Its the engine that doesn't sound nearly as mean as it performs.Great torque!I'm sure it's a headache for modern Coyote 5.0 stangs.Not the best sounding but definitely gets the job done.I'd remove the eco badge and make it a sleeper.
Couldn't agree more!
Ford drop the ecoboost 2.3 and give us the ecoboost 3.5 as the base model
Right!
Never too much POWER ! RRRR
that's cool
Did it need any frame mods to fit the engine and transmission?🤔 or did it fit right into the s197 frame?
Check out his channel for more on this car - th-cam.com/video/m7wfp-Or0TM/w-d-xo.html
looked through the comments and didn't see anyone ask about the fuel economy. I know that most people don't care for it but I'm curious about how it compares to the GT fuel economy.
Andrew Springer I have an f150 with the 3.5l ecoboost engine. I get an average of 17mpg and highway 20mpg. But the truck weighs twice as much so
The economy is about the same as a 5.0 or a 3v GT it's not great but not horrible
Someone needs to do this to the S550
Surprised we haven't seen one yet
How much would a setup like this run? Want a v6 that will spank the v8’s
I wonder if some of the companies that make performance parts for Audi’s can lend some of their exhaust tech to EcoBoost owners. There are some great sounding V6 Audi’s.
We had a 2019 bmw 440i coupe with the 3.0 i6 turbo come into the shop i work at last week. And tbh those sound pretty nice. Nice and quiet at low rpm and just cruising, but give it some gas and they sound good.
Search Basani exhaust. They make good sounding V6 Mustang exhausts. Not nearly as good as a V8 though.
What would you say the total cost was for the build? I’ve been wanting to try this out with some stock raptor turbos
Not sure if saving money was a primary consideration, unless you just happen to have a Ecoboost engine sitting around. Even then, there are less costly ways to make power in a Mustang.
Ever since I got my 2014 F150 w/ 3.5L EcoBoost, I've been daydreaming of swapping that motor into a fox body mustang...but of course that requires money...
Seems to me there are plenty of old Mustangs and truck motors. Don't let your dreams be dreams
What transmission would I use for a 3.5 na motor for a mustang swap. Nitrous on a 3.5 na motor ? Thoughts? Transmission compatibility. Coming out of an 09 sable. Fwd.
Well that's a FWD biased engine. Try to find you an engine out of a vehicle that's RWD biased. Will be much easier.
Put a transit 150 tune on, its different from the f150 being that its way more torque oriented
how much did tyou pay for your tune?
How much was this build?
If they would use the 3.5 as a middle child for the new mustangs, I'd 110% buy it.
100%
They need to make a stock 3.5 mustang awd 🤔 (big turbo like 600hp)
Don't need a big turbo to make 600 hp out of em. The factory turbos are capable of pushing that engine over 700 hp with just tuning and simple bolt ons. Look up 700 hp f150 EcoBoost 5 star tuning. TFL Truck did a video on it.
I'd like to see the the weight and weight distribution difference between this and a coyote equipped car is.
This car should be around 52% front 48% rear compared to about 54/46 for a stock Coyote.
Word. I would still like to see pics, or video of the scale numbers, if possible. I assuming you're the same DC Garage as mentioned in the video. If that's the case, good work on the swap.
Sean Henry yeah I am, thanks! I would definitely like to get it on a set of scales but I don't have access to any now. I try to weigh all the stuff that goes on or comes off the car though, so those numbers are my best guess, but I can't know for sure.
Well, I'd be happy to help you (I have access to a set), but it looks like you are in FL and I'm stuck here in shittyfornia.
What you mean by too much power? like too much power for the stock engine? it might blow up if you not careful?
One of the client's goals was to have a relatively conservative tune so that he'd have one last thing to worry about when beating on this car on track days in hot Florida conditions.
WOW
I know Im 4 years late but it sounds like the engines bouncing off the firewall.
Is this just an addition of eco boost system off 150 or is this a swap of complete motor out of 150
complete Ecoboost motor
That's what I wanna do with my 2006 5 speed 4.0 to 3.5 ecoboost. I have 410 gears with Eaton trutrac. MGM shifter. Lowered coilover all new suspension front and back. Whiteline upper n lower control arms n sway bars pan hard too. Ford performance front control arms.. dual exhaust etc...
Do it
Can u imagine the H.O. 3.5 tuned for 600+ horse from the raptor on the mustang!!
Why? You can achieve the same goal with the engine he put in it.
Bad ass
Im building a e46 with a 3.5 in it and id be very happy with at least 470 500hp
Can easily be done with tuning. Contact 5 Star Tuning. They will get you exactly where you want to be in horsepower numbers with the 3.5 EcoBoost.
Man i love this technology i just want to know if this can be put in a different rwd vehicle an what the cost would be im thinking of put this in my 1997 mazda Mpv its stock v6 rwd but only 115 hp an kids all grown now i wanna go fast u know a sleeper 🚀 soccer⚽ van 😁lol can u help me or point me in right direction
This is what I wanna do to mine!
Do it!
So this is a f-150 ecoboost engine and a 3.7l transmission. Can you tell me what all besides the engine and trans I’d need! I wanna do this
If you can find a Ford Performance Control Pack, that'll make it easier than using the powertrain controller from the donor 3.5L
To much power?! Dayum
What's labor on this swap in a 96 5 speed GT car
Our focus here at MPT is on the tuning side of things. We do not offer mechanical or install work
What computer did you use?
Looks like a Ford Racing Control Pack. Not sure exactly which one.
Only reason the V6 was NA and not the ecoboost 3.5 was because it would be too close to the power of the GT... We need an S550 V6 EcoBoost or in the S650.
I wanna do the same set up as this guy but I’d love it if y’all could do the tune and get it to 450 hp. If y’all could send me the set up he had and your contact information I’ll hit y’all up real soon!
450 is possible.
can you throw a 10spd in there?
I am sure you could.
how much did this swap cost? considering you can do a turbo on a 3.7L I'm assuming for much cheaper and a practically bolt on coyote swap. Cool points and uniqueness with this motor tho.
Andres Solis the owner of this mustang has his own channel where he discusses a bolt on kit to put ecoboost turbos on the 3.7 sounds pretty badass
It's not cheap, I definitely did it more for the uniqueness and just because this is the car that I wanted. I'd say about 12k for the swap itself and a couple grand more in supporting mods.
DC Garage that figure seems to be the constant when anyone seems to transplant any other motor into a Mustang. I have an early S197 3 valve with full bolt ons that I would like to maybe do a coyote swap later. But it seems cost effective to just work my motor out to where I’d want it. But I’ll say it is cool to have what you want put in your car, especially if it’s unique.
your tuner said it might be too much power... I was planning on bringing my rx7 down there next spring. can y'all's dyno handle 600hp?
goodkill1 he didnt mean too much hp for the dyno lol. he meant too much for the engine to safely hold.
86250r it basically has the same bottom end as the 3.7, forged crank, connecting rods and 6 bolt cross bolt mains.
86250r it is probably leaning out, you can tell by the torque to hp #s at high rpm.
It was in reference to the vehicle and how much power it could handle. We do not support your RX7 unfortunately. Good luck with your project though.
MPT Performance it's going to have a Ford 3.7 cyclone, lol. and I'm fairly certain the reason you could only run that Ecoboost on the crate ECM was because it has the flag for PATS unchecked
This is the EcoBoost mustang Ford should have built! At least should be offered as an option.
Right? As long as the 3.5 is cheap enough, it could be a direct competitor with the Challenger and Charger RTs with the 5.7
Cat delete doesn’t ad power? Smh so many tuners will say the exact opposite
I have never been able to wrap my head around the choice Ford made to not put this engine in a Mustang.
Agreed.
Is this longwood in fl
Sure is!
Wonder how much this swap cost in total
Quite a lot. I can't remember exactly, but I think it was probably close to 20k at the time. Not sure how much it would be now, but it definitely isn't cost effective.
How much
They just have kept that 4 cylinder ecoboost for the st and fiesta
true
Yeah I'm sticking with my Coyote 5.0 Mustangs
Run the 6R80. It's a better transmission than the MT82.
I have a 2017 v6 mustang. What would it cost to do this?
All in, $10k or so
@@mptperformance I'll be interested in the next 5 years
turbo kit from AMR. No swap needed 500-600hp all day on 3.7
This looks pretty cool. But y'all are using the wrong V6. I've got 460hp and right at 400ft lbs with my 2017 v6. Procharged. (among other things) My tuner believes that I'll be over 540hp with my stage two setup. 12lb pulley, fuel pump, alum. driveshaft, gt350r half shafts, Spec stg 3 clutch and lightened flywheel, vertical links and anti wheel hop kit. And the re-tune of course. Fun fun fun.
@Richard Skipper Well, you do know that the 2017 was built and released the end of 2016. That's how manuf. release cars. So yes, they said no more in 2016, but they had already built the first set of 2017's. There are changes between the 16 and 17. I cannot use the 15-16 coil on plugs. My clip is different. It uses the same one as the GT.