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- Again, I can not guarantee any of this but hopefully this gives you an idea of what to expect. Contact Super Six Motorsports if you have any questions.
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This is a viable option if you're trying to get some more power out of your 11+ V6 Mustang on a budget, and potentially your cheapest option for boost. Obviously it has its limitations given the size of the turbos, but a turbo kit for this car usually costs you 5k+.
I am not affiliated with SSM and the image of the adapter kit is property of SSM. This video is for informational purposes only and I encourage you to contact SSM for more information on this subject.
Please see my second video on this subject for my updated thoughts. I have finally seen the dyno sheet for the only 3.7 w/ 3.5 turbos I know of. It made 407whp@5250rpm on E85 and it's a '15+ Mustang, so you can probably expect an 11-14 to make a bit less. The torque number was 470lbs-ft@4150rpm and fell off pretty quickly after that. Average HP from 2-7k RPM was 314. I asked what it made on 93 and received no response. I did hear that they were having issues tuning it though, so maybe they weren't able to get anything decent out of it without E85. Again, I can't confirm that, but I don't want to give anyone unrealistic expectations. For what it's worth, the car is now for sale.
To anyone still interested by this, I swapped my '12 mustang way before them (in 2012) and I can tell you that you can indeed install the stock ecoboost manifold to the 3.7 easily. I made custom brackets behind the heads to account for the mising stud. That's it. I just saved you a stupid amount for insanely priced daptor plates. Another stupid thing they did with this kit, why in hell would you use custom oil lines when you can use lines from a FACTORY 3.5 ecoboost engine? The factory one is joined to the return line at the turbo. As return lines : use stock oil feed/ return, just cut the return leaving 1 inch from the turbo and plumb it to the oil pan return bungs you have to weld. For coolant, you're missing the taps behind the heads but you have 2 choices : tap into the head where it is on the 3.5 or intercept an existing line. Done. Factory manifold at Ford : 75 each, turbos : 100 each used. All in all, less than 1000$ to twin turbo the 3.7 V6. I run methanol and 94, 14 PSI and laugh in the face of V8 owners when they see my 3.7 badge while passing them like they own a Civic.
you da man!!
Can you elaborate on what exactly you had to do to make the 3.5 manifold fit? What was the issue you faced initially and how did you solve it.
@@xNELVKALEN the manifolds are longer than the heads. You have to make a custom bracket to hold a stud behind both heads.
Hey Benjamin, any drawing or specification on the custom brackets?
Just wanted to put this here. This is a response I got from one of the people at SuperSix concerning additional components required for this adaptation. I inquired about a 2012 3.7L.
"You will need an intercooler, duel inlet, single outlet style for 2011-2012
GT, of course the charge piping from the turbos to the IN inlets and from
the IC outlet to the throttle body, the cold air side, blow-off valve, boost
controller, bigger injectors and then modification of your exhaust system to
attach to the turbo and finally the tubing."
dam $700 for adapter plates and lines, sounds kinda steep....
Hmm interesting. I'll have to follow your build!
Considering just how close the turbo is to the steering column, will the added heat from the turbo damage, or affect , the steering columns structural integrity I ask because of loads that column experiences on a daily bases. Keep those vids coming!
+Rictor Scale I wouldn't expect this to be an issue under normal conditions, but if you find it particularly concerning, there are some options to help protect it. Ceramic coating certainly wouldn't be a bad idea.
I'm intrigued by this as a possible way to go for a great cost effective F/I setup, both for bragging rights and just something unique. Can much of the factory exhaust from the cat converters and onward be used? I would like to keep mine sounding exactly as it is now.
You can re-use most of it, but probably not the stock cats just because of their location. I would suggest having some high flow cats welded in a bit further down instead if you went this route.
Any chance this would pass smog in California?
You guys need to look up limitless performance they have made a production kit for the 3.7L V6 mustangs in the kit they're using they've highly modified the kit for their test car with the stock bottom end making 700 hp holy shit now with all forged internals it's making 1000 hp look it up it's on TH-cam right here
I actually had an LPF kit on this car that was part of the reason I decided to swap. I was not impressed with the quality or design. I ended up selling the kit second hand. It made decent power but it's had lots of problems too. Bottom line, I wouldn't suggest them.
if I get that what is everything I would need to have it completed for a 2013 v6?
I wanna do this to put turbos on an old for taurus interceptor
Can you make more power with these ecoboost turbos OR with the procharger supercharger for the 3.7?
What is your opinion between the two?
Yes
Do you think this kit would fit on a 3.7 in a Taurus?
Did u ever find out about the Taurus just got a 3.7 police interceptor 2014.
Ariel Monroy its the engine they use for the mustang, so im assuming a mustang 3.7l v6 turbo kit would do just fine
Its just the spacing and where to put it where you’ll have issues, im looking into one but debating getting an SHO to just get over it with the instal and have the bases to work at already
Any different than a s550 3.7?
This a 3.5 tt out of a f150? Or a Taurus sho? I might have Missed it being mentioned in previous videos
To bad you don't have a light. I like this overall plan.
OK what about this - can a Ecoboost Mustang complete engine "easily" fit in a V6 Mustang S550? Or is that too much to deal with?
Probably not worth the trouble, but yes. It should not be challenging, at least in theory, would just be a lot of time and money for a car that is readily available on the used market.
Looking forward to seeing your builds man. How quick do you think a twin turbo 3.7 would run? I have a 2014 v6, and Im trying to figure out how to get the biggest bang for my buck. Not sure how much it would run me if I got forged internals and a turbo kit, granted Im no mechanic and wouldnt install myself. Maybe using the twin turbos from an F150 with the super six kit would be cheaper than a turbo kit? Your thoughts please. I might end up just trading for a GT, but if I can safely get 500hp out of my 3.7 for the same cost then that would be better.
+Garrett Burley It's hard to say exactly because there are many variables at play but a twin turbo V6 with a decent tune should run at least low 12s. You don't even need a built motor so long as you keep it under 500ft-lbs of torque at the wheels. If you're looking for bang for your buck though, this is the way to go. It will probably be around half the price of the typical turbo kit. If you're just looking to get around 500bhp, boosting your V6 is a good option. It would be pretty reliable at that power level and it would probably cost a bit less than trading up to a 5.0.
So do you know how the F150 ecoboost twins compare to kits like LPF, Hellion, and procharger? Single turbo v6s like Killer6 (LPF) and the CFM 3.7 (procharged) stang run mid 10s. Im eager to see someone do the ecboost turbo to 3.7 v6 because its a new thing and people are hesitant to try it, so no one seems to know if it would work and be reliable. Would it be possible to get a 3.7 to run 10s for spending 10K or less?
Garrett Burley Well the F150 twins are much smaller than the single turbos that come with the usual aftermarket kits for this car. Because of that, you will see less top end power, but the up side is there will also be less turbo lag. I have no doubt you could get this car into the 11s or even 10s, but it would take more mods than just these turbos. But yes, with a good tire, these turbos will be very capable. We don't know exactly how fast it will be yet though because it hasn't been done yet. But it should be quite reliable as long as you get a good tune. These turbos can make about as much power as this engine can hold though without building it. The Hellion kit had lots of problems and they no longer make it and I do not suggest the LPF kit at all because it has had plenty of problems too. If you can find one used for a decent price though it may be worth the trouble. As for the procharger, it's a totally different animal. It will make just as much power as these turbos, but nowhere near the torque. But yes, a 10 second 3.7 should be possible for 10k, but it will take quite a bit of work and you'd have to be very careful how you're spending that money.
Thank u! Helpful stuff. I havent heard anything good about LPF lol. Do you plan on replacing the turbos with bigger ones?
No problem! At some point in the future, yes. That isn't the top priority right now as there are lots of other things I want to do with the car before I upgrade the turbos. The stock turbos are pretty capable and will make more than enough power for my use at the moment. I'm about to announce my next big project for this car, so stay tuned!
They do fit
Can I do this on the 3.7 explorer
The 3.5 eb manifolds bolts up to the fwd 3.7 if you drill in tap the last hole going towards the trans. The fwd 3.7 is a very strange engine, the heads have undrilled direct injection bungs. My theory is that a fwd 3.7 has 3.5 heads so it might be possible to run both direct and port injection with this motor. Obviously someone would need 3.5 eb cams, injectors, lines, driver side valve cover and hpfp to get it to work.
Hi I am from South Africa and couldn't help but notice the South African flag in the back ground. Good vid i am interested in following the progress on this build.
+c1house Thanks! Yes, I was born in the US but my dad is South African so I have dual citizenship and spent nearly every summer of my childhood in SA with our family. It's been a few years since I've visited but I can't wait to go back!
Where can I buy some I have a 2011 Ford F150 3.7L V6
thanks for the info!
+AKDMB No problem!
Is this the first time you've done a major mod like this? Do you recommend you have a lot of mechanical experience or do you think it's easy enough?
The swap is pretty intensive, but it was my first time taking on a project of that magnitude. You should have pretty well rounded experience and skills before taking on something like that. Just adding turbos is quite a bit easier, but I wouldn't suggest doing it yourself unless you feel confident in your mechanical abilities.
What about 4.0?
Some guy all read did this on his 15 V6 i for get his name the car is fast as fuck
What intercooler would you recommend for the 11-14 3.7L? Also, will installing these turbos require a trip to a dyno for tuning? I'm trying to see what the total cost would be to get these on the car and running.
There's a lot of room in these cars, so you can make most universal intercoolers work. I suggest the best intercooler your budget allows. Treadstone performance would be a good one to check out as a starting point.
Mounir Zerrad grabbed both turbo on eBay for 300 injectors 325$-365 intercooler $230 with pipes universal 2in 1 out wideband o2 180$ kits is 825 manifolds 37$ apiece from ford order from white bear lake fast shipping factor in 300 for new gaskets and seals it helps to have a spare engine having already blown one makes it easy I'm currently working on my downpipe situation so ??? On price for that base tune from mpt is 600 I'm at about 1200 and I just need the adapter kit and downpipe and tune so about 3500 all in at least that's what I'm shooting for but I want as little down time as possible
I can't break my 3.7. Boosted 12lbs. Been dragged a million times and beat to f. 27k miles no issues.
supercharged or turboed? Are the 3.7s really that tough? i have an s550 with it looking to get more umph out of it
Jonathon Vince wow what kinda power are you putting down?
I wanna put a turbo on my 3.5 n/a f150
What is this control pack I often read about? What's the purpose of having it?
+Rictor Scale It's essentially a standalone ECU, wire harness, and a bunch of sensors from Ford Racing to control their crate engines in different applications. If you're building a hot rod with a fuel injected Ford engine it's what you would use to control the engine. I'm using one for my swap and I'll go over it in a future video if you want to learn more about the subject.
How much boost can these 3.7l engines handle with stock internals?
Boost will vary depending on the specs of the turbo kit, but they can generally handle about 500lbs-ft of torque and 500hp or less at the wheels pretty well. Some have even gone as high as 600whp with E85 but I don't think there are many beyond that without a built motor. These turbos won't get anywhere near that hp on a 3.7 though.
Will this work on a 3.7 f150??????
Same thing I want know
Even easier to setup because of the increased engine bay space.
Check out the super six motors page they have a video saying yes
more of this want to see the car getting worked on and going so sivk
+Randy Borges Will do! I'm trying to get some videos of actually working on the car but I'm having a hard time getting good footage of that that's still interesting lol.
Can I add this to my 2013 Lincoln MKS?
no, it's for longitudinal applications only
Does anyone know if this would work on the 2013-2016 Lincoln mkz 3.7?
I highly doubt this would work for that application. These manifolds are designed for a longitudinal engine layout like you would find in a RWD based car or truck.
DC Garage that's unfortunate, would there be any hope to be able to turbo the car through other means?
You could have a custom turbo kit made but it would be very expensive. A custom centrifugal supercharger kit would probably be the easiest route though.
How well would the 6R80 in a 3.7 F150 hold up to these?
The 6R80 would hold up just fine, but you would probably be better off trading in for an EcoBoost.
Can't get a 3.5 EB in a short bed, regular cab STX. 90% of STX trucks near me are 3.7s. The rest are 5.0s and much more expensive
I see, if you're set on keeping it I would suggest looking into a custom turbo kit. It will cost a bit more, but you would get much better performance in the long run. The 3.5 turbos could also work, but based on the numbers I've heard, it didn't perform as well as expected.
Also my cost estimate was definitely on the low side. The only guy I know of who finished this says he spent about 6k on it. I still think it could be done for a lot less, but it wouldn't be easy.
Mr Anderson You can the Tremor. An Ecoboost powered Regular cab short bed F150.
Anyone done this yet?
Not yet, but I'm pretty sure they've found all of their beta testers at this point so it shouldn't be too long.
Sweet! Maybe I'll hold off upping to a GT for a little longer then..
well im buying it for my 2012 got the turbos for 300$ for both
demarianx Let me know how it goes, im really interested.
will do im really surprised at how inexpensive it is to convert once you have the kit its basically oem parts im going for a reliable daily nothing huge yet..