Windows is trying so hard to become a mobile focused platform. I remember when Windows 8 came out, that was the red flag that pushed me onto Linux completely and I haven't looked back.
@@terminalvelocity4858 Was trying to* They no longer rely on Windows as their main source of income so trying to predict the future isn't needed and they can return to a desktop OS.
I have been playing games on my PC using android and i get similar results its smoother and quicker loading and the MANY different games i can play now makes it fun too.
@@FahimHoq That's not really linux's fault though, that's like saying that android is worse than iOS because it cannot run facetime, while it's technically true, it's not to android's fault, but apple. Also funnily enough, anti cheats does a poor job at preventing people from cheating anyway.
@@TheShitpostExperienceThat's my thing. Kernel level anti cheat is absolutely insane and should not exist. Period. I'd rather loose a video game match to a cheater rather than 'win' and have my credit card or social leaked on the web due to a shitty company and their incompetent devs.
@@FahimHoq A don't even know if I'd say 'a lot' at this point. It's more like a select few devs that, due to some stupid reason or another, refuse to let the anti-cheat work on Linux. Even EAC turned the choice to the game devs and backed off. I don't like EAC, but I think that they made a smart move by opening the door. Better than a lot of companies.
I really hope Valve makes a proper go of SteamOS for desktop, I won't run it but a lot of other people will. Anything that makes Windows less appealing to the normies is a good thing.
I think eventually it will happen. They had it back in the day when SteamOS was debian based, but back then proton wasn't a thing. When proton came around it was a revalation, but nowadays it is just a whole nother universe. It is so great it literally blew my mind on the Steam Deck and made me install Debian on my desktop again.
I personally think sooner or later they will do Steam Machines again, but like with the Steam Deck they will produce and sell it and it will use a custom AMD SOC.
I think the biggest issue for desktop SteamOS is literrally down to one thing: Nvidia. They somehow will need to get around Nvidia's proprietary driver, as well as all the different versions needed for older GPUs. There is the NVK project that is looking great for Nvidia users though, so perhaps maybe Valve will use that instead.
After many years of using only windows... I moved to Arch a few months ago and I have to say... My experience has been great. I love the feeling of installing only the things I really need. And gaming... Has been great too.
@@dadigitechman Remember, there was a time when you had to learn Windows too. This is no different, just far more worth the time and effort you spend. You've got this. Welcome to the Linux fam!
I use mac for my work. Honestly I spend so much time in the mac terminal for various reasons, I don't notice a difference with arch. Just follow installation directions to the T. I'd say I prefer the Arch os layout over windows too.
@@PaulKentSkates Too cool. Makes sense as Mac & Linux are very closely related, both are Unix-like operating systems. Arch has been my daily driver for the last 8 years. I left the Windows oligarchy behind about 15 years ago after starting my Linux journey and haven't looked back.
i still use win10 as sort of backup when it comes to some games but i am so happy with linux as gaming system valve is pushing proton and stuff so hard when you check how fast linux gaming evolve now
Linux gaming has been absolutely amazing for me, especially for older games. Test Drive Unlimited, is one of my all-time favs and it did not want to run on W11, but fired right up on Linux. Just set a prefix in Lutris, install and launch. Only thing I am missing now is multiplayer, it's the only reason I keep W11 around, still have lots of issues with anticheat.
The problem with Linux on the desktop is not the games, it never was the games, macOS is so in demand and has never cared about games. Linux systems are modeled on opensource software, and everything that is not free does not have an appropriate place... it turns out that a lot of software is not viable to be "open source", so it continues to be developed for Windows and Mac. For those who only use a browser for TH-cam and playing games... ok. But what about those who want to use Pro Tools? Altium Designer? Adobe? The world is not just games.
@BrunoSilveira-mu2hs there are alternative software. Gimp is an open source alternative to Photoshop for instance. It takes time and effort to learn them. Hence, linux isn't as popular. But those who have done so are now daily driving linux. Another common practice I see is people dual booting that way you get best of both worlds. I would say hardware compatibility is bigger issues as Nvidia for example don't work with Linux well. And finding niche hardware for Linux can sometimes be expensive. Linux laptops for instance cost more as they don't achieve economics of scale.
@@FahimHoq alternative... this is the same as: you can travel in a Rolls Royce and arrive at the same destination with a Laika. Electronic engineers don't pay $10K for Altium and use Windows because they "don't know what they're doing". Could I work with KiCad? Obviously yes! but it would take me 10 times as long, extreme tiredness, worries about bugs, creating issues in gitlab and hoping that some generous soul will solve the problems... It's not worth it!
@@mrmou.4893 I'm sorry if that's all you can know, since there's no argument. Another window manager and terminal customizer with a nerd font... depressing
I have Win 11 and Debian 12 (I know, not the gaming choice) on the same PC, and most all of my games run smoother and faster on Debian than they do on the Windows partition. Really impressive how far we've come.
Debian may not be the "out of box" gaming choice, but a user can make their Debian install very gaming focused. Also Pop!_OS with its Ubuntu base is indirectly based on Debian.
Debian is fine, you might not be running the latest software with the current optimizations and improvements, but you are running the most stable version of it from like 3 months ago. For most people running 3 month old extremely stable software is fine. Windows people update there software like once every few years if ever (assuming no auto updates) so I wouldn't worry about it
@@__Brandon__ I'm still on windows and I was considering switching to linux fully in a couple weeks (I postponed it because Nvidia drivers were terrible for me in the past, but no I'm on AMD) and Debian is what I was looking at because I wanted to have something stable with wayland+KDE, and linux mint for example doesn't support wayland as of yet from what I've seen, and rolling distros like arch can be a hassle, plus I've been working with ubuntu and centos for about 12 years now so I'm familiar with everything ubuntu which should translate well to debian.
Great video again Chris.. Im also like POP-OS but now moved to Mint Cinnamon and im happy so far.. After all im using them only for development and some daily use..😉
Φιλαράκι, στο παλιό μου κινητό έβαζα της ROM σου και τώρα που σε πετυχαίνω εδώ, θέλω να σε ευχαριστήσω! Χάρης εσένα, το Leeco Le Max 2 πήρε ζωή και θα έχει για πάντα μια ξεχωριστή θέση στην καρδιά μου! Μέσα από την καρδία μου, σε ευχαριστώ πολύ για όλα και να είσαι πάντα καλά και ευτυχισμένος φιλαράκι μου! ❤
@@godnyx117 καλημέρα φίλε. Σε ευχαριστώ για τα καλά σου λόγια. Αν σε ενδιαφέρει να ξέρεις ότι ακόμα φτιάχνω ROM για το χ2 και είμαστε σε Android 13..Nα είσαι πάντα καλά..🥰
@@crisbalgreece Ευχαριστώ πολύ για την πληροφορία! Αυτήν τη στιγμή, έχω ένα Redmi Note 12 Pro γιατί η μπαταρία από το Leeco Le Max 2 ήταν πραγματικά χάλια (το είχα 7 χρόνια). Του είχα βάλει 13 αλλά τώρα του έβαλα LineageOS 16 (Android 9) γιατί ήθελα να βάλω UbuntuTouch, να το δοκιμάσω και αυτήν την έκδοση ζητάει το tutorial τους. Τζάμπα όμως γιατί τα πακέτα στο tutorial τους δε δουλεύουν κάν, λολ! 🤣
literally the only reason that i haven't gone to linux yet is because i can't get to run android games on there. i've had the intention of moving for 2 years now i've heard that waydroid works, i'll try linux again sometime
Yep, Waydroid works great (most of the time). I use it to play Rocket League Sideswipe with some friends sometimes. In my experience (with Intel CPU, Intel iGPU and libhoudini) Genshin Impact also works great, but on the other hand some games just don't work at all, like Fortnite and Call of Duty Mobile.
My only problem is the game i play is no longer avalaible on Linux :( so after 5 years with only Arch now i had to dual boot. Im struggling with windows to be honest. I got all kind of errors, low fps, random disconnects from my wifi adapter.....but easyanticheat and linux are incompatible rn. HELP. Good video
@@LarsOksendal Not to debate, as I don't disagree with what you said, but remember, that is your experience. NVIDIA is well known for poor support in Linux and they still have no FOSS solutions.
My impression is that when it works it's comparable or better. But when it doesn't work well it's very very obvious. I wish we had some data on frame pacing
I've had clunks in Arch, but somehow 2 months later, weekly updates just randomly fixes something more moderate that was going on. My primary use case was never broken, but it had random annoyances.
If you file a bug report it usually can get fixed within a week or a work around can be found within a couple hours as long as you are using hardware within the last 10 years
i've had a lot of jank, but most of it came from my ignorance about the OS. for instance, i installed a flatpak distribution of steam, and that sheit is pure jank. live with that for two months until i had enough and wiped it clean from my pc, and tried installing it from another source (i just got it via terminal, actually) and voila, all the unsolvable problems i was having just went away. i was so angry...
Noticed this aswell. My games runs smoother on linux lately. It's a very nice thing. Though I do wonder if copilot is the reason why windows is lagging behind now.
I'm still gaming on Windows 10, but I recently switched Fallout New Vegas over from regular DX9 to DXVK and WOW Vulkan is incredible now! 144 fps @ 1440p using a GTX 3070 Ti on a pretty bloated system (312 processes currently). I recently tried to update some software from Microsoft, and "OneNote for Windows 10" from the Microsoft Store couldn't update because I had deactivated the "print spooler service". That's how nuts Microsoft is now. Can't wait to ditch MS, but I kind of want to time it juuust right, like captain Jack Sparrow stepping off his sinking ship right at the harbor.
You're not the only one. Besides gaming, I'm also going to do professional 3D work via Freelancing. Blender at least is native on Linux, but the other software I rely on that I paid with my hard earned cash I still possibly want to run as close to native as possible. I know there's alternatives but still when you're use to software you've used for years & paid for, I still rather stick to that until I really need to change to alternatives. I want do both Pro Freelance 3D work, 2D artwork & game on Linux just like I do on Win 10 without any issues.
I only have windows 11 on a backup 250 GB ssd just in case I need it to play a certain game or some firmware/driver stuff for hardware like mice or keyboard/controller or whatever. gaming on Linux full time since 2018. ALways used Linux, but since 2018 gaming became very viable for more than a handful games only.
I checked the frame times myself, and.. I'll still wait a couple years on Windows before completely switching. With the progress they've made in the last few years, gaming on Linux might be much better than Windows by then. Who knows..
I recently tried using ChimeraOS on my gaming machine in my living room and tried it for a few days. It worked for the most part but I ran into issues on some of the more recent games I play (Jedi Survivor, Last of Us). Sadly I was running into things like textures not loading fully, Chimera didn't support RGB 444 12bit. Random artifacts popping in and out. Just issues I never ran into with Windows. I'm running a 7800X3D with a 7900XT so it's not like my system couldn't handle these games. I ended up going back to Windows and just setting up auto login with Steam set to launch in big picture mode automatically which in my opinion gets as close to a console experience as possible with my games just working on windows. I'll be keeping an eye out on the development of ChimeraOS as I think it's an interesting project but for now I'll be sticking with Windows.
i'm not a fan of chimeraOS tbh. it's better to get a more fully fledged distro and use it like you're using windows than trying to turn your pc into a steam deck
@@CAHOP2401 that panel doesn't have native 12-bit even if it's selectable. It's natively an 8-bit + FRC panel. That might be the source of some of your issues.
A few days ago I went from Pop OS to Nobara on my Framework laptop. On Pop OS I was getting a rather unpleasant stuttery 40-50 fps in Half Life which I thought was odd given how old the game is. In Nobara it was locked 60.
As expected. Microsoft keeps piling crap on most people don't want/need. Linux tends to improve performance with updates and those systems can run much leaner. They were going to cross paths on raw performance eventually and now we're seeing more of that happen.
Not just publishers. Nvidia drivers need to be included in the kernel since most people use nvidia at the end of the day. Even on windows you have to go and install the drivers seperately because the ones that come with windows update are old.
When your showing a webpage on your video, could you please maximize the page on the screen your showing for us that can't read the content your talking about? Please. Thanks.
im trying to install nvidia drivers properly on Debian i made a big mistake an ran the script instead of using the nonfree repo now im trying to remove a newer version to installer the older version from the other thing
Been gaming on my Arch desktop machine with a 5600g just using the on chip graphics, it's been awesome just playing loads of indie and older games. Hardly ever switch my main gaming machine on now.
@@thisisanewchannel-wd7jl you can run witcher 3 1080p 25-30fps on medium/high even on older much weaker ryzen apu. so pretty much 2015 and before it's kind of playable and even comfortable with 30-50+ fps. now if you take kingdom come or cyberpunk then it becomes problematic.
If all i wanted to do with a PC is play games, maybe. But i want to use it for other things without having to deal with lackluster stuff. I'll stick to using a naked Windows, it's so much more easier to progress if you just know what to do.
How are Newer Games are going with it? I moved off from Linux before cuz it was quite a hassle to get even Games work. With Wine and shit. Would love some feedback
the question of which OS (linux vs windows) is better for gaming is not determined by performance. it's determined by which OS is used more. as of december 2023, for desktop and laptop computers, Microsoft's Windows is the most used at 69%, followed by Apple's macOS at 21%, and Google's ChromeOS at 3.7% (in the US up to 7.9% ), and desktop Linux at 3.2%, so on traditional PCs Linux sums up to 7% share. although this statistics isn't very accurate (it's from wikipedia which mentions why it's not accurate) it is accurate enough to conclude that windows is used far more than linux. this causes the game developers to focus their attention on windows rather than linux. many developers are now developing for both windows and linux but plenty of developers are still developing for windows only and as far as i know, there are no developers that develop for linux only. performance becomes irrelevant if the game you want to play is not available on linux. this reason alone is enough to declare windows as the victor for a very long time if not forever.
"yeah windows still has the edge in gaming" "So looking at these statistics it seems like linux is consistently ahead of windows by a little bit but remember these aren't even the whole story because these test systems are completely clean installs that don't represent the real-world slowdown present on most actual windows machines, so the disparity is likely even higher. Windows users really don't even realize how far Windows has actually fallen"
We have no idea how they benchmarked these and how accurate they were. 1% lows were still better in Windows in most cases which is what you should care about the most. This was done on AMD. If you have an NVIDIA GPU then it's over for Linux gaming. This is all assuming the game works flawlessly and doesn't have hitches, stutters (or even runs at all). Windows still has the edge in gaming.
@@griffin1366 1 : find me a single instance of a mainstream benchmark using a non-stock system. You can't, because it's not practical to test, people would whine that it's an unfair test, and it's impossible to do consistently. In spite of that, it's also the only test that remotely matters in terms of actual user-facing performance. At best you'll get people who literally just install a few things like a browser or the controls for the hardware, but that represents a small fraction of the random shit that ends up installed on most computers. So, should we assume that these numbers roughly in line with all other numbers ever published by any benchmark using the standard benchmarking method of a stock install, are in fact *_NOT_* using a stock install and are instead using a real, bloated, daily-driven computer that has all of the small little applications and background utiltiies most people have on their system, or should we assume they're using a stock system like every other benchmark ever? 2 : they literally weren't. At *_best_* you could argue windows is vaguely competitive, but it was on top just as much as it was on bottom. 3 : Hi, I use arch btw, I also use nvidia btw. On windows Apex Legends has absolutely horrendous LOD and popping issues that makes it a pain in the ass to play and I have to set the settings to medium to tune it to get decent FPS. On Linux I set everything to maximum, have zero LOD issues, and get not only 165fps but nigh-perfect frame timings too. Especially given you specifically mentioned buzzwords like 'hitches' or 'stutters' which Linux literally gets almost none of, I'm inclined to believe this is just an overdose on high-grade copium. The only time linux even gets anything remotely like those, as opposed to windows which gets them fairly frequently, is if you don't enable pre-caching in steam when initially turning on compatibility mode and you're pre-processing shaders on-the-fly. Even *_then_* though, I've personally had that disabled for months and never noticed. I've also played some legally aquired games that didn't have that Fossilize functionality and, again, no problems. Over 80-90% of the top games on steam are linux plug-and-play, including raytracing and any other fancy functionality*. And, those numbers are brought down massively by the few games at the top that are intentionally keeping anti-cheats blocking linux users, and I've found a strong correlation with intentionally fucking over your players and having a bad game that relies on shallow addiction-loops to keep players hooked without actually making the game enjoyable for them. (*with the single exception of HDR which, 1 : you don't have an HDR monitor anyway and 2 : it's being developed rapidly and some games can actually already run with HDR if you use them in fullscreen mode, it's just not quite as seamlessly adaptive. I mean did you think Valve made the Steam Deck OLED with an HDR screen without getting it's OS to play HDR games?) I won't tell you how to live your life, just be sure to keep a phone nearby in case you overdose on that copium and need medical help.
I used to play WoW on Manjaro last xpac (before they borked the launcher for a good 4 days, which led me back to Windows gaming again). My Windows booters are all decently fresh/less than a few months old. I feel 10 is a bit snappier or I just like it better, 11 I think the taskbar might cause an issue for older games also. Granted Tiny and your tool really debloat the bad out of Windows so I really don't remember how bad it is by default. I think my load screens get stuck less on 10. But really whatever works for you is what each user should use for gaming. I might try going back to Debian/try Nobara/ArcoLinux. Debian's stability is appealing for me.
I just do not believe you can honestly tell the difference in performance between 10 and 11 in a blind A/B test. Your 'hunch' is about as pointless as it gets. The difference between 60 FPS and 55 FPS is literally a bit more than a millisecond per frame. I doubt a human can perceive a difference between 16.6ms and 18.2ms.
For my part, I'm going to switch to Linux as soon as I've found a way to use my HD60 S (not the S+), because unlike the S+, this box requires a driver, but it's only available for Windows.
@BrainStormzFTC I looked on the Elgato site, and the difference is that the HD60 S+ doesn't need an extra driver to be recognized, unfortunately having tried everything, I couldn't get it to work.. ( several of us tried to find a solution, but without success )...
Recently I went back to ubuntu after windows died on my machine. Had not used steam on linux for a year or two. Downloaded mtga, gw2 and, eso and didn’t notice any performance negatives. It is amazing in comparison to before proton existed.
They just need to improve the lows when it comes to fps. Having said that, I am very, very tempted to switch to Linux and ditch Windows, but unfortunately there is still some inner force holding me back.
If Nvidia would quit breaking shit Linux gaming would be even better. It's a serious problem. For instance I played Cyberpunk just fine about 6 months to a year ago and it is now unplayable and won't even start. Other than that games run pretty well for me on most distros.
i recently tried switching from linux to gnome. it was really good, but there were a few things that turned me away. i dont know if these could be solved, but for a first time linux user i was a little frustrated. I use three monitors on my PC (one 4k 27" and two 3440x1440 ultrawides) if i increased the scailing on my main 27" screen the two other displays would increase too and it would be really bad since all the UI stuff would be uneccesarily larger than necesary. Also, freesync seems to not work very well, i have a 160hz 4k panel and my games would be pretty choppy on the latest mesa divers (im running a 5900x and 6900xt with 64gb of ram). it was because of this that i decided to reinstall windows 11. i could go without freeesync and just cap my monitor to 60hz cuase i dont really game much, but the display scailing was really annoying for office woek and stuff like that.
Which developers? Do you happen to know what team or company in particular?Im part of a certain Rust team working on desktop UI interactions / relationships.@@bradmiles1984
@@bradmiles1984that's only for one anti cheat called EAC. Call of Duty uses a completely different anti cheat that does not have a Linux version for example. There are many more out there
First of all it's definitely possible to get it working in Linux but anyway anti cheat doesn't stops cheaters at best it wastes a little more time removing syscalls and obfuscation and only ones hurt by anti cheat are consumers
Unless nvidia, amd, steam, blizzard etc all come to the linux party, gaming will still be way behind. There is no financial incentive for these companies to come to linux at this time.
RDNA3 performance on linux needs to improve. Then I will switch. My XTX performs like the XT on Linux. It's well known to be an issue and its being worked on.
also its another reason why 1% lows is due to wayland display manager is not great for gaming when xorg 1% lows is higher than windows, not sure what is wayland supposed it does in background, they say its most secure thing is important what is doing but to me, security is my ass to them when xorg never had ton issues like this before, not even gaming like this
I tried Linux Mint today and holy smokes my experience was so bad! As soon as I installed CS2, I got myself in a vortex of bugs and errors that I didn't even know where to start. - The audio was buzzing so bad (never had this issue on Windows) - The mouse sensitivity wouldn't be stable (X axis worked properly, Y axis was like glitched). Never experienced something like this. - The in game animations would stutter without a reason (never had this issue on Windows) - Display frequency in video settings was capped at 120Hz (my monitor has 144Hz). I mean, perhaps Linux Mint wasn't the best choice for gaming, but I never imagined, it would have been so bad (gaming-wise). My system is also full AMD, so compatibility should be skyrocketing. Anyways, maybe I'll have better luck with another distro like Arch or Nobara.
Games is the only software type don't have alternative and stopping peoples switching to Linux now a day , taking it away from Windows than it's dead for sure, i must say Valve doing a good job attacking this point and killing Windows for good.
windows still lot better in both nvidia and amd gpus when using path tracing and ray tracing pefromance when fsr3 mod works great on windows...but not so great on linux when folks want to path trace on very high gpu like 7900xtx to use fsr3 mod on path tracing games , sadly, its huge mess under mesa, but not sure on nvidia linux drivers, i haven't test it yet how far they are at but i heard reflex is working on latest nvidia drivers and dlss3 is very possible on nvidia drivers by wine latest update to get hags and latencyflex working with wine wayland driver since nvidia already have wayland working great on gnome and hyprland...not so in kde when its same problem with mesa with amd hardware that cause desktop to flickering , not sure what it is , but its bad on amd mesa vs nvidia, it seems to work but not recommend to use wayland on kde, its not working accurate in ghosting from mouse movement between windows but least not flickering as amd mesa drivers
If you're the sole user of your pc and have common sense just disable the AV. Telemetry etc can also be debloated, then you'll have a universal OS that can run everything and perform well.
I doubt many Windows users will agree with you, I agree that although I don't think Linux is there just yet, in the near future every game will be faster on Linux and install scripts will have been created for 90% of games but most important all new games going forward as soon as they are released. I still love POP-OS and will stick with it for now :)
I could say DUH to that test since I have been using Linux for gaming for a while. I tried doing it on Windows and some game felt worse. Of coarse I dont play most "AAA" garbage titles so my experience may not be the norm. Most of my games is just a click and they work.
Nice and all. But I would really appreciate if I could do my design and illustration stuff on linux. Sadly, we aint there yet boys. And no, GIMP, Inkscape, Krita etc are no real alternatives yet.
This is amazing but sadly Linux still doesn't have all the games, especially all the esports titles with anti cheat is not available. Atleast single player games enjoyers can play on Linux.
I had a few problems with some of the distro and went back to windows just to do a full compare my apex game gameplay was running like cheeks have to go back Linux , but distro I have no issues with is Manjaro and it's my main
Although I personally do not care, when using fractional scaling on the desktop, games will not go to the maximum resolution of the monitor, at all. I have a Samsung Odyssey Neo G8, which replaced a LG C2 42 inch because it was too big, and it is 3840 x 2160 @ 240hz and 32 inches. That is why fractional scaling is needed.
it will be interesting to see how wayland /X factor into this. Some games run like garbage on my PC in kde/wayland (Atomic Heart) others run substantially better. (Halflife Alyx, Control,etc). I know that shouldnt be a thing but in my experience it is.
For someone wanting to give Linux a try, what could be a distro to try? I'm running an nvidia 3060ti if that helps, since I've heard nvidia support in linux is kind of wack.
Here's the thing...for me, Windows runs ALL of my games. 2. Starfield is a mess XD. It gets 10-18FPS on my Ryzen 5 5600G with an AMD RX 6400 4GB and 32GB RAM system. So I don't put much stock in benchmarks. The benchmarks might say one thing, but my lived experience is what matters. I would try Linux, but in order to just TEST Starfield, I'd have to drop $70+ on it to see if it works, and then be disappointed when it doesn't. Steam really needs a Steam Game Pass like service. Being able to test a game out before investing $70+ is critical.
Linux has never really been a long term commitment for me. I would install it on old laptops to at least use them to watch youtube. usually MX linux or AntiX linux based on how old the laptops were. however, when I finally decided to boot zorin os 17 off a ubs hdd on my gaming laptop, I was immediately blown away. the UI, the usability, the speed, all where superior to windows 11 booting off an nvme ssd. I was able to install all of my software and apps that I normally use, and they work at a much faster speed. for instance, blender render times where cut literally in half, for the SAME scene. Now, the only issue I have experienced: I still cannot use SteamVR on zorin OS, I even tried to use steam link on my quest, but it just didnt work. this is the last standing issue before I uninstall windows for ever.
Valve are still working on Linux SteamVR. One of the big issues is the state of NVidia drivers proprietary or OSS with Wayland as I suspect Valve are doing a lot with Games-cope so need access to the GPU driver. The Intel OSS drivers still have a few things left to sort out too. I suspect it’ll be another year+ so before all three GPU (in reality just NVidia) manufacturers OSS drivers are offering the same quality
Linux is great but half of the online titles using anti cheat do not work and there's nothing at the moment that we can do about that. Most devs deny support for Linux.
Linux gaming is so good this days🙂 I don’t use arch, I don’t have the time😄nowadays I been using Ubuntu, yeah is just plug and play. Good time to be a Linux user….
Funny thing, sometimes Linux performance is better just because Proton translation layer is simply ignoring one or another effect as not implemented. Yeah, it's not a rocket science to be able to perform better when your rendering pipeline is reduced.
I've been gaming on Linux for about a month now. In all the games I play the experience is as good or better on Linux.. Granted I'm not benchmarking so I don't have the numbers. The important thing is it doesn't feel worse than windows. At this point unless you are bound to windows for work or something, being on Linux honestly feels like the right decision.
Artix with OpenRC (which is Arch based) certainly beats many of the other distros including Pop_OS in gaming FPS. Not by a long shot can Windows keep up with the demands.
Linux doesn't have enough of an advantage in gaming for me and still plenty of games that either don't work on Linux or have issues so until I can play every game on Linux without issues windows it is. I'm using a stripped down version of windows and get very good results.
Linux isn't really getting that much better, it's Windows becoming more and more unusable. Bloatware aside, they totally destroyed the way the kernel handles multitasking... it's enough to have two things running for one to freeze entirely when you're not having it your focused window BUT background processes will ALWAYS run with as many resources as they can have allocated... making anything run horribly slow and unstable, which forced me to Manjaro.
I use Windows for years and when the performances drop down, I buy a new CPU and GPU so I don't really care about the race with linux, but this is interesting thank's.
The fact that most games are written natively for Windows, and performance wise Linux competes and on some cases outdoes Windows in what is essentially using a workaround / emulation with proton, lutris etc is remarkable. It should be rather embarrassing for one of the biggest companies in the world but their choice to pack in endless bloat and telemetry services is a cost that is only being revealed with the continuing drop in Windows desktop market over the last 10 years over to mobile only, Chromebook, Mac, Linux. It means people are waking up and beginning to choose these alternatives. The anti-cheat thing is the only remaining true hurdle, but I'm sure that's on the list.
@gelbphoenix true but easy anti cheat is pretty popular for big games like blac desert online and other multi player games. League of legands has its own anti cheat which also doesnt work on linux.
@@Exeonz Nah, according to steamchart since 2018 BDO concurrent player been stable at 15k-30k players, for the recent months siiting at above 20k. Don't give a copium conclusion just because it doesn't run on linux.
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All that bloatware and tracking definitely hurt windows 11 and with windows 12 being heavily infused with Ai gaming on windows will decline further
Windows is trying so hard to become a mobile focused platform. I remember when Windows 8 came out, that was the red flag that pushed me onto Linux completely and I haven't looked back.
@@terminalvelocity4858 Thanks for reminding me of Windows 8. I was swearing for at least a minute.
@@tomspencer1364 Win8 always had a special codename, "Windows Hate". Those were rough times indeed. 😆
@@terminalvelocity4858 Was trying to*
They no longer rely on Windows as their main source of income so trying to predict the future isn't needed and they can return to a desktop OS.
I have been playing games on my PC using android and i get similar results its smoother and quicker loading and the MANY different games i can play now makes it fun too.
When Linux gaming works it's great! The problem is that "it works"" isn't always the case.
Yes especially the anti cheats prevents a lot of games from working on linux as well.
@@FahimHoq That's not really linux's fault though, that's like saying that android is worse than iOS because it cannot run facetime, while it's technically true, it's not to android's fault, but apple.
Also funnily enough, anti cheats does a poor job at preventing people from cheating anyway.
@@TheShitpostExperience I agree, I never said it was their fault, but I can see lots of gamers not making the switch for this reason.
@@TheShitpostExperienceThat's my thing. Kernel level anti cheat is absolutely insane and should not exist. Period. I'd rather loose a video game match to a cheater rather than 'win' and have my credit card or social leaked on the web due to a shitty company and their incompetent devs.
@@FahimHoq A don't even know if I'd say 'a lot' at this point. It's more like a select few devs that, due to some stupid reason or another, refuse to let the anti-cheat work on Linux. Even EAC turned the choice to the game devs and backed off. I don't like EAC, but I think that they made a smart move by opening the door. Better than a lot of companies.
I really hope Valve makes a proper go of SteamOS for desktop, I won't run it but a lot of other people will. Anything that makes Windows less appealing to the normies is a good thing.
I think eventually it will happen. They had it back in the day when SteamOS was debian based, but back then proton wasn't a thing. When proton came around it was a revalation, but nowadays it is just a whole nother universe. It is so great it literally blew my mind on the Steam Deck and made me install Debian on my desktop again.
@@steilkurbler4973SteamOS is now based on Arch BTW
I personally think sooner or later they will do Steam Machines again, but like with the Steam Deck they will produce and sell it and it will use a custom AMD SOC.
I think the biggest issue for desktop SteamOS is literrally down to one thing: Nvidia. They somehow will need to get around Nvidia's proprietary driver, as well as all the different versions needed for older GPUs.
There is the NVK project that is looking great for Nvidia users though, so perhaps maybe Valve will use that instead.
I use Bazzite for my media center.
After many years of using only windows... I moved to Arch a few months ago and I have to say... My experience has been great. I love the feeling of installing only the things I really need. And gaming... Has been great too.
Same here, 8 years on Arch. It's worth the time and effort to learn. I've enjoyed the value of my pc more than ever before and never looked back!
@@dadigitechman Remember, there was a time when you had to learn Windows too. This is no different, just far more worth the time and effort you spend. You've got this. Welcome to the Linux fam!
I'm loving my Arch install as well.
I use mac for my work. Honestly I spend so much time in the mac terminal for various reasons, I don't notice a difference with arch. Just follow installation directions to the T. I'd say I prefer the Arch os layout over windows too.
@@PaulKentSkates Too cool. Makes sense as Mac & Linux are very closely related, both are Unix-like operating systems. Arch has been my daily driver for the last 8 years. I left the Windows oligarchy behind about 15 years ago after starting my Linux journey and haven't looked back.
i still use win10 as sort of backup when it comes to some games
but i am so happy with linux as gaming system
valve is pushing proton and stuff so hard
when you check how fast linux gaming evolve now
I recently migrated back to Pop_OS from Nobara. Nobara gave me like +2 to 3 fps but the amount of jank I experienced wasn't worth it.
Linux gaming has been absolutely amazing for me, especially for older games. Test Drive Unlimited, is one of my all-time favs and it did not want to run on W11, but fired right up on Linux. Just set a prefix in Lutris, install and launch.
Only thing I am missing now is multiplayer, it's the only reason I keep W11 around, still have lots of issues with anticheat.
The problem with Linux on the desktop is not the games, it never was the games, macOS is so in demand and has never cared about games.
Linux systems are modeled on opensource software, and everything that is not free does not have an appropriate place... it turns out that a lot of software is not viable to be "open source", so it continues to be developed for Windows and Mac.
For those who only use a browser for TH-cam and playing games... ok.
But what about those who want to use Pro Tools? Altium Designer? Adobe?
The world is not just games.
@@BruSilveira0 lmao
@BrunoSilveira-mu2hs there are alternative software. Gimp is an open source alternative to Photoshop for instance. It takes time and effort to learn them. Hence, linux isn't as popular. But those who have done so are now daily driving linux. Another common practice I see is people dual booting that way you get best of both worlds. I would say hardware compatibility is bigger issues as Nvidia for example don't work with Linux well. And finding niche hardware for Linux can sometimes be expensive. Linux laptops for instance cost more as they don't achieve economics of scale.
@@FahimHoq alternative... this is the same as:
you can travel in a Rolls Royce and arrive at the same destination with a Laika.
Electronic engineers don't pay $10K for Altium and use Windows because they "don't know what they're doing".
Could I work with KiCad? Obviously yes! but it would take me 10 times as long, extreme tiredness, worries about bugs, creating issues in gitlab and hoping that some generous soul will solve the problems...
It's not worth it!
@@mrmou.4893 I'm sorry if that's all you can know, since there's no argument.
Another window manager and terminal customizer with a nerd font... depressing
I have Win 11 and Debian 12 (I know, not the gaming choice) on the same PC, and most all of my games run smoother and faster on Debian than they do on the Windows partition. Really impressive how far we've come.
Debian may not be the "out of box" gaming choice, but a user can make their Debian install very gaming focused. Also Pop!_OS with its Ubuntu base is indirectly based on Debian.
Debian 12 came out after a lot of improvements were already made, so it matters less that it has older packages.
Suggest Mint distro, Debian based includes 3rd party drivers / apps.
Debian is fine, you might not be running the latest software with the current optimizations and improvements, but you are running the most stable version of it from like 3 months ago. For most people running 3 month old extremely stable software is fine. Windows people update there software like once every few years if ever (assuming no auto updates) so I wouldn't worry about it
@@__Brandon__ I'm still on windows and I was considering switching to linux fully in a couple weeks (I postponed it because Nvidia drivers were terrible for me in the past, but no I'm on AMD) and Debian is what I was looking at because I wanted to have something stable with wayland+KDE, and linux mint for example doesn't support wayland as of yet from what I've seen, and rolling distros like arch can be a hassle, plus I've been working with ubuntu and centos for about 12 years now so I'm familiar with everything ubuntu which should translate well to debian.
I would like to see POP based on Tumbleweed or Slowroll.
2:45 cookies? Like for your web browser? Those impact frame rate?
I have extreme doubt that is correct.
Why are the 1% lows so bad on Nobara? Is it fixed?
Great video again Chris..
Im also like POP-OS but now moved to Mint Cinnamon and im happy so far..
After all im using them only for development and some daily use..😉
Is game performance better on mint?
@@vladiusvostokus Depends on your hardware, needs, drivers etc..For a better gaming experience use dual boot or go with Linux and try..
Φιλαράκι, στο παλιό μου κινητό έβαζα της ROM σου και τώρα που σε πετυχαίνω εδώ, θέλω να σε ευχαριστήσω!
Χάρης εσένα, το Leeco Le Max 2 πήρε ζωή και θα έχει για πάντα μια ξεχωριστή θέση στην καρδιά μου! Μέσα από την καρδία μου, σε ευχαριστώ πολύ για όλα και να είσαι πάντα καλά και ευτυχισμένος φιλαράκι μου! ❤
@@godnyx117 καλημέρα φίλε. Σε ευχαριστώ για τα καλά σου λόγια. Αν σε ενδιαφέρει να ξέρεις ότι ακόμα φτιάχνω ROM για το χ2 και είμαστε σε Android 13..Nα είσαι πάντα καλά..🥰
@@crisbalgreece Ευχαριστώ πολύ για την πληροφορία! Αυτήν τη στιγμή, έχω ένα Redmi Note 12 Pro γιατί η μπαταρία από το Leeco Le Max 2 ήταν πραγματικά χάλια (το είχα 7 χρόνια). Του είχα βάλει 13 αλλά τώρα του έβαλα LineageOS 16 (Android 9) γιατί ήθελα να βάλω UbuntuTouch, να το δοκιμάσω και αυτήν την έκδοση ζητάει το tutorial τους. Τζάμπα όμως γιατί τα πακέτα στο tutorial τους δε δουλεύουν κάν, λολ! 🤣
literally the only reason that i haven't gone to linux yet is because i can't get to run android games on there. i've had the intention of moving for 2 years now
i've heard that waydroid works, i'll try linux again sometime
Yep, Waydroid works great (most of the time). I use it to play Rocket League Sideswipe with some friends sometimes. In my experience (with Intel CPU, Intel iGPU and libhoudini) Genshin Impact also works great, but on the other hand some games just don't work at all, like Fortnite and Call of Duty Mobile.
My only problem is the game i play is no longer avalaible on Linux :( so after 5 years with only Arch now i had to dual boot. Im struggling with windows to be honest. I got all kind of errors, low fps, random disconnects from my wifi adapter.....but easyanticheat and linux are incompatible rn. HELP. Good video
Let me Guess, league of legends is your pick
@@D4nielF111 Crossout.
My dream for Linux gaming is to have it at very least a second class citizen with decent developer support...
So far I think the only problem in Linux Gaming is NVIDIA Driver. What time are they going to optimize the experience of the driver on Linux
Exactly!
i use nvidia and i get about a 20% - 30% performance increase on Linux than on windows for GPU intensive tasks
Nvidia Windows or Mac, Linux DIY
The Nvidia driver on Linux works painlessly, both CUDA-work and Gaming. They release very good drivers. No problems there.
@@LarsOksendal Not to debate, as I don't disagree with what you said, but remember, that is your experience. NVIDIA is well known for poor support in Linux and they still have no FOSS solutions.
I have the same intuition you do about real world windows numbers. Tho I don't have any numbers to back it up
My impression is that when it works it's comparable or better. But when it doesn't work well it's very very obvious. I wish we had some data on frame pacing
that's about right
I've had clunks in Arch, but somehow 2 months later, weekly updates just randomly fixes something more moderate that was going on.
My primary use case was never broken, but it had random annoyances.
If you file a bug report it usually can get fixed within a week or a work around can be found within a couple hours as long as you are using hardware within the last 10 years
i've had a lot of jank, but most of it came from my ignorance about the OS. for instance, i installed a flatpak distribution of steam, and that sheit is pure jank. live with that for two months until i had enough and wiped it clean from my pc, and tried installing it from another source (i just got it via terminal, actually) and voila, all the unsolvable problems i was having just went away. i was so angry...
Noticed this aswell. My games runs smoother on linux lately. It's a very nice thing. Though I do wonder if copilot is the reason why windows is lagging behind now.
I'm still gaming on Windows 10, but I recently switched Fallout New Vegas over from regular DX9 to DXVK and WOW Vulkan is incredible now! 144 fps @ 1440p using a GTX 3070 Ti on a pretty bloated system (312 processes currently).
I recently tried to update some software from Microsoft, and "OneNote for Windows 10" from the Microsoft Store couldn't update because I had deactivated the "print spooler service". That's how nuts Microsoft is now.
Can't wait to ditch MS, but I kind of want to time it juuust right, like captain Jack Sparrow stepping off his sinking ship right at the harbor.
You're not the only one. Besides gaming, I'm also going to do professional 3D work via Freelancing.
Blender at least is native on Linux, but the other software I rely on that I paid with my hard earned cash I still possibly want to run as close to native as possible.
I know there's alternatives but still when you're use to software you've used for years & paid for, I still rather stick to that until I really need to change to alternatives.
I want do both Pro Freelance 3D work, 2D artwork & game on Linux just like I do on Win 10 without any issues.
I only have windows 11 on a backup 250 GB ssd just in case I need it to play a certain game or some firmware/driver stuff for hardware like mice or keyboard/controller or whatever. gaming on Linux full time since 2018. ALways used Linux, but since 2018 gaming became very viable for more than a handful games only.
I wonder if Arch would match or beat Nobara if they just switched to using the Zen kernel
Arch is where it's at if you care about performance when gaming. Moved my gaming desktop to Arch and couldn't be happier. Much better FPS vs Windows.
I checked the frame times myself, and.. I'll still wait a couple years on Windows before completely switching. With the progress they've made in the last few years, gaming on Linux might be much better than Windows by then. Who knows..
naah it is cool stay on windows!
I recently tried using ChimeraOS on my gaming machine in my living room and tried it for a few days. It worked for the most part but I ran into issues on some of the more recent games I play (Jedi Survivor, Last of Us). Sadly I was running into things like textures not loading fully, Chimera didn't support RGB 444 12bit. Random artifacts popping in and out. Just issues I never ran into with Windows. I'm running a 7800X3D with a 7900XT so it's not like my system couldn't handle these games. I ended up going back to Windows and just setting up auto login with Steam set to launch in big picture mode automatically which in my opinion gets as close to a console experience as possible with my games just working on windows. I'll be keeping an eye out on the development of ChimeraOS as I think it's an interesting project but for now I'll be sticking with Windows.
i'm not a fan of chimeraOS tbh. it's better to get a more fully fledged distro and use it like you're using windows than trying to turn your pc into a steam deck
@@GraveUypo My spare PC might be heading into SteamOS
what display are you using that supports 12bit?
@@dreamdenizen I have my gaming PC plugged into my 4K Hisense U8H. It supports RGB 444 12bit
@@CAHOP2401 that panel doesn't have native 12-bit even if it's selectable. It's natively an 8-bit + FRC panel. That might be the source of some of your issues.
Will have to give this a try at some point
A few days ago I went from Pop OS to Nobara on my Framework laptop. On Pop OS I was getting a rather unpleasant stuttery 40-50 fps in Half Life which I thought was odd given how old the game is. In Nobara it was locked 60.
Damn, you forget that pop os use a generic kernel... try liquorix or xanmod😉
As expected. Microsoft keeps piling crap on most people don't want/need. Linux tends to improve performance with updates and those systems can run much leaner. They were going to cross paths on raw performance eventually and now we're seeing more of that happen.
Not just publishers. Nvidia drivers need to be included in the kernel since most people use nvidia at the end of the day. Even on windows you have to go and install the drivers seperately because the ones that come with windows update are old.
Nvidia is garbage company.
They don't care about Linux so much.
When your showing a webpage on your video, could you please maximize the page on the screen your showing for us that can't read the content your talking about? Please. Thanks.
I can see it perfectly on mobile. He's literally reading the graphs so no need to even look. Just go to the page yourself if you want to self verify
im trying to install nvidia drivers properly on Debian i made a big mistake an ran the script instead of using the nonfree repo now im trying to remove a newer version to installer the older version from the other thing
Been gaming on my Arch desktop machine with a 5600g just using the on chip graphics, it's been awesome just playing loads of indie and older games. Hardly ever switch my main gaming machine on now.
@@thisisanewchannel-wd7jl you can run witcher 3 1080p 25-30fps on medium/high even on older much weaker ryzen apu. so pretty much 2015 and before it's kind of playable and even comfortable with 30-50+ fps. now if you take kingdom come or cyberpunk then it becomes problematic.
If all i wanted to do with a PC is play games, maybe. But i want to use it for other things without having to deal with lackluster stuff. I'll stick to using a naked Windows, it's so much more easier to progress if you just know what to do.
How are Newer Games are going with it? I moved off from Linux before cuz it was quite a hassle to get even Games work. With Wine and shit. Would love some feedback
I played Resident Evil 4 Remake just fine, even the DLC with Ada worked flawlessly on the Steam Deck
"Day 1 support" for many titles without an invasive kernel-level anti-cheat, I hear.
the question of which OS (linux vs windows) is better for gaming is not determined by performance. it's determined by which OS is used more. as of december 2023, for desktop and laptop computers, Microsoft's Windows is the most used at 69%, followed by Apple's macOS at 21%, and Google's ChromeOS at 3.7% (in the US up to 7.9% ), and desktop Linux at 3.2%, so on traditional PCs Linux sums up to 7% share. although this statistics isn't very accurate (it's from wikipedia which mentions why it's not accurate) it is accurate enough to conclude that windows is used far more than linux. this causes the game developers to focus their attention on windows rather than linux. many developers are now developing for both windows and linux but plenty of developers are still developing for windows only and as far as i know, there are no developers that develop for linux only. performance becomes irrelevant if the game you want to play is not available on linux. this reason alone is enough to declare windows as the victor for a very long time if not forever.
"yeah windows still has the edge in gaming"
"So looking at these statistics it seems like linux is consistently ahead of windows by a little bit but remember these aren't even the whole story because these test systems are completely clean installs that don't represent the real-world slowdown present on most actual windows machines, so the disparity is likely even higher. Windows users really don't even realize how far Windows has actually fallen"
We have no idea how they benchmarked these and how accurate they were.
1% lows were still better in Windows in most cases which is what you should care about the most.
This was done on AMD. If you have an NVIDIA GPU then it's over for Linux gaming.
This is all assuming the game works flawlessly and doesn't have hitches, stutters (or even runs at all).
Windows still has the edge in gaming.
Quit fucking lying. Nvidia is fine for gaming on Linux. You fuckers are annoying with this shit. @@griffin1366
@@griffin1366
1 : find me a single instance of a mainstream benchmark using a non-stock system. You can't, because it's not practical to test, people would whine that it's an unfair test, and it's impossible to do consistently. In spite of that, it's also the only test that remotely matters in terms of actual user-facing performance. At best you'll get people who literally just install a few things like a browser or the controls for the hardware, but that represents a small fraction of the random shit that ends up installed on most computers.
So, should we assume that these numbers roughly in line with all other numbers ever published by any benchmark using the standard benchmarking method of a stock install, are in fact *_NOT_* using a stock install and are instead using a real, bloated, daily-driven computer that has all of the small little applications and background utiltiies most people have on their system, or should we assume they're using a stock system like every other benchmark ever?
2 : they literally weren't. At *_best_* you could argue windows is vaguely competitive, but it was on top just as much as it was on bottom.
3 : Hi, I use arch btw, I also use nvidia btw. On windows Apex Legends has absolutely horrendous LOD and popping issues that makes it a pain in the ass to play and I have to set the settings to medium to tune it to get decent FPS. On Linux I set everything to maximum, have zero LOD issues, and get not only 165fps but nigh-perfect frame timings too.
Especially given you specifically mentioned buzzwords like 'hitches' or 'stutters' which Linux literally gets almost none of, I'm inclined to believe this is just an overdose on high-grade copium. The only time linux even gets anything remotely like those, as opposed to windows which gets them fairly frequently, is if you don't enable pre-caching in steam when initially turning on compatibility mode and you're pre-processing shaders on-the-fly. Even *_then_* though, I've personally had that disabled for months and never noticed. I've also played some legally aquired games that didn't have that Fossilize functionality and, again, no problems. Over 80-90% of the top games on steam are linux plug-and-play, including raytracing and any other fancy functionality*. And, those numbers are brought down massively by the few games at the top that are intentionally keeping anti-cheats blocking linux users, and I've found a strong correlation with intentionally fucking over your players and having a bad game that relies on shallow addiction-loops to keep players hooked without actually making the game enjoyable for them. (*with the single exception of HDR which, 1 : you don't have an HDR monitor anyway and 2 : it's being developed rapidly and some games can actually already run with HDR if you use them in fullscreen mode, it's just not quite as seamlessly adaptive. I mean did you think Valve made the Steam Deck OLED with an HDR screen without getting it's OS to play HDR games?)
I won't tell you how to live your life, just be sure to keep a phone nearby in case you overdose on that copium and need medical help.
@griffin1366 it does for now, this just shows how closer to parity its getting though.
@@griffin1366 Pop OS! enters the chat:😶🌫️
I used to play WoW on Manjaro last xpac (before they borked the launcher for a good 4 days, which led me back to Windows gaming again). My Windows booters are all decently fresh/less than a few months old. I feel 10 is a bit snappier or I just like it better, 11 I think the taskbar might cause an issue for older games also. Granted Tiny and your tool really debloat the bad out of Windows so I really don't remember how bad it is by default. I think my load screens get stuck less on 10. But really whatever works for you is what each user should use for gaming. I might try going back to Debian/try Nobara/ArcoLinux. Debian's stability is appealing for me.
I just do not believe you can honestly tell the difference in performance between 10 and 11 in a blind A/B test. Your 'hunch' is about as pointless as it gets.
The difference between 60 FPS and 55 FPS is literally a bit more than a millisecond per frame. I doubt a human can perceive a difference between 16.6ms and 18.2ms.
To this day i haven't gotten a single game to play on linux, yall lucky
For my part, I'm going to switch to Linux as soon as I've found a way to use my HD60 S (not the S+), because unlike the S+, this box requires a driver, but it's only available for Windows.
Doesn't the HD 60 S just need obs-ndi?
@BrainStormzFTC I looked on the Elgato site, and the difference is that the HD60 S+ doesn't need an extra driver to be recognized, unfortunately having tried everything, I couldn't get it to work.. ( several of us tried to find a solution, but without success )...
I'm still on pop_os but it has its downsides. Been toying with ubuntu 23.10 and awaiting a refresh.
League of Legends on linux has also been fixed as of today
That's pretty apt, Cryiss, a 2009 game, looks just as good as Starfield does!
Recently I went back to ubuntu after windows died on my machine. Had not used steam on linux for a year or two. Downloaded mtga, gw2 and, eso and didn’t notice any performance negatives. It is amazing in comparison to before proton existed.
hey man
I mainly play GW2
and thinking of switching to ARCH
how is it?
They just need to improve the lows when it comes to fps. Having said that, I am very, very tempted to switch to Linux and ditch Windows, but unfortunately there is still some inner force holding me back.
Exact same boat
If Nvidia would quit breaking shit Linux gaming would be even better. It's a serious problem. For instance I played Cyberpunk just fine about 6 months to a year ago and it is now unplayable and won't even start. Other than that games run pretty well for me on most distros.
Update: It's been working fine for a few months now. Not sure what fixed the issue, but at least I can play it now. At least until the next update...
in arch, are these games in the tutorial supportes natively or is it proton?
i recently tried switching from linux to gnome. it was really good, but there were a few things that turned me away. i dont know if these could be solved, but for a first time linux user i was a little frustrated. I use three monitors on my PC (one 4k 27" and two 3440x1440 ultrawides) if i increased the scailing on my main 27" screen the two other displays would increase too and it would be really bad since all the UI stuff would be uneccesarily larger than necesary. Also, freesync seems to not work very well, i have a 160hz 4k panel and my games would be pretty choppy on the latest mesa divers (im running a 5900x and 6900xt with 64gb of ram). it was because of this that i decided to reinstall windows 11. i could go without freeesync and just cap my monitor to 60hz cuase i dont really game much, but the display scailing was really annoying for office woek and stuff like that.
bro how did you switch from linux to gnome? did you mean kde to gnome?
linux to gnome?
I have AMD R5 M430 GPU with Intel I3-5005U Notebook, can someone tell which best linux distro for this specs and also compatible hardware on it?
When Anti-Cheat works then I will be HAPPY!
It does just developers need to turn on the switch in the code. It's been available in Linux for like a year.
Which developers? Do you happen to know what team or company in particular?Im part of a certain Rust team working on desktop UI interactions / relationships.@@bradmiles1984
@@bradmiles1984that's only for one anti cheat called EAC. Call of Duty uses a completely different anti cheat that does not have a Linux version for example. There are many more out there
First of all it's definitely possible to get it working in Linux but anyway anti cheat doesn't stops cheaters at best it wastes a little more time removing syscalls and obfuscation and only ones hurt by anti cheat are consumers
@@User9681e the point is more about getting Linux more game ready. Dont care about cheaters.
Now all they need to do is make it even less complicated to install games on Linux, and then watch as the magic happens. BTW Linux is at 3.21%.
What is complicated about installation of games on GNU/Linux?
@@kaurt9954 Oh, I managed to install all my games on Linux. Not everyone is able to make proton work for some strange reason.
Unless nvidia, amd, steam, blizzard etc all come to the linux party, gaming will still be way behind. There is no financial incentive for these companies to come to linux at this time.
In a year or two NVK will be beating the crap out of stock Nvidia drivers
RDNA3 performance on linux needs to improve. Then I will switch. My XTX performs like the XT on Linux. It's well known to be an issue and its being worked on.
With Steam dropping support for Windows 7 Valve should have made a desktop version of SteamOS available.
Avatar frontiers of pandora ran right away on Arch linux through Lutris/wine, I posted a video , runs at 80FPS on ultra settings 4k with a 7900XTX
also its another reason why 1% lows is due to wayland display manager is not great for gaming when xorg 1% lows is higher than windows, not sure what is wayland supposed it does in background, they say its most secure thing is important what is doing but to me, security is my ass to them when xorg never had ton issues like this before, not even gaming like this
I tried Linux Mint today and holy smokes my experience was so bad!
As soon as I installed CS2, I got myself in a vortex of bugs and errors that I didn't even know where to start.
- The audio was buzzing so bad (never had this issue on Windows)
- The mouse sensitivity wouldn't be stable (X axis worked properly, Y axis was like glitched). Never experienced something like this.
- The in game animations would stutter without a reason (never had this issue on Windows)
- Display frequency in video settings was capped at 120Hz (my monitor has 144Hz).
I mean, perhaps Linux Mint wasn't the best choice for gaming, but I never imagined, it would have been so bad (gaming-wise). My system is also full AMD, so compatibility should be skyrocketing.
Anyways, maybe I'll have better luck with another distro like Arch or Nobara.
Games is the only software type don't have alternative and stopping peoples switching to Linux now a day , taking it away from Windows than it's dead for sure, i must say Valve doing a good job attacking this point and killing Windows for good.
windows still lot better in both nvidia and amd gpus when using path tracing and ray tracing pefromance when fsr3 mod works great on windows...but not so great on linux when folks want to path trace on very high gpu like 7900xtx to use fsr3 mod on path tracing games , sadly, its huge mess under mesa, but not sure on nvidia linux drivers, i haven't test it yet how far they are at but i heard reflex is working on latest nvidia drivers and dlss3 is very possible on nvidia drivers by wine latest update to get hags and latencyflex working with wine wayland driver since nvidia already have wayland working great on gnome and hyprland...not so in kde when its same problem with mesa with amd hardware that cause desktop to flickering , not sure what it is , but its bad on amd mesa vs nvidia, it seems to work but not recommend to use wayland on kde, its not working accurate in ghosting from mouse movement between windows but least not flickering as amd mesa drivers
2:49 + on windows you would probably want antivirus which would impact performance
just use defender.
Best anti-virus is being smart with what you click on. Don't click on shady stuff your odds of infection are low.
If you're the sole user of your pc and have common sense just disable the AV. Telemetry etc can also be debloated, then you'll have a universal OS that can run everything and perform well.
Good adblocker is the only antivirus you need.
I doubt many Windows users will agree with you, I agree that although I don't think Linux is there just yet, in the near future every game will be faster on Linux and install scripts will have been created for 90% of games but most important all new games going forward as soon as they are released. I still love POP-OS and will stick with it for now :)
I could say DUH to that test since I have been using Linux for gaming for a while. I tried doing it on Windows and some game felt worse. Of coarse I dont play most "AAA" garbage titles so my experience may not be the norm. Most of my games is just a click and they work.
Ublue+ Fedora 39 Silverblue i could setup mine in about 10min with updates and everything while in Windows i'm still updating and debloting 1hr+
Nice and all. But I would really appreciate if I could do my design and illustration stuff on linux. Sadly, we aint there yet boys. And no, GIMP, Inkscape, Krita etc are no real alternatives yet.
This is amazing but sadly Linux still doesn't have all the games, especially all the esports titles with anti cheat is not available.
Atleast single player games enjoyers can play on Linux.
I had a few problems with some of the distro and went back to windows just to do a full compare my apex game gameplay was running like cheeks have to go back Linux , but distro I have no issues with is Manjaro and it's my main
Although I personally do not care, when using fractional scaling on the desktop, games will not go to the maximum resolution of the monitor, at all. I have a Samsung Odyssey Neo G8, which replaced a LG C2 42 inch because it was too big, and it is 3840 x 2160 @ 240hz and 32 inches. That is why fractional scaling is needed.
it will be interesting to see how wayland /X factor into this. Some games run like garbage on my PC in kde/wayland (Atomic Heart) others run substantially better. (Halflife Alyx, Control,etc). I know that shouldnt be a thing but in my experience it is.
Penguins don't jump out of windows, they smash them!🐧🐧🐧
For someone wanting to give Linux a try, what could be a distro to try? I'm running an nvidia 3060ti if that helps, since I've heard nvidia support in linux is kind of wack.
When it comes to cpu heavy + single core only games (such as mmos, i play wow mainly) , does linux have an advantage over windows 11?
switching until its just works like on windows
Here's the thing...for me, Windows runs ALL of my games.
2. Starfield is a mess XD. It gets 10-18FPS on my Ryzen 5 5600G with an AMD RX 6400 4GB and 32GB RAM system.
So I don't put much stock in benchmarks. The benchmarks might say one thing, but my lived experience is what matters.
I would try Linux, but in order to just TEST Starfield, I'd have to drop $70+ on it to see if it works, and then be disappointed when it doesn't. Steam really needs a Steam Game Pass like service. Being able to test a game out before investing $70+ is critical.
Just look at protondb if you want to check if a game works, also there's refunds in case it doesn't
I thought you had something like two hours gameplay time to request a full refund? Buy it, try it and refund it if needed.
Starfield runs 50% slower on Linux with a 7900XTX. This is on various distros including nobara. It's a known issue, but an issue nonetheless.
it's a bad game anyway, why would you want to play it lol@@V1CT1MIZED
A bit academic when most windows games don't run on linux
Linux has never really been a long term commitment for me. I would install it on old laptops to at least use them to watch youtube. usually MX linux or AntiX linux based on how old the laptops were. however, when I finally decided to boot zorin os 17 off a ubs hdd on my gaming laptop, I was immediately blown away. the UI, the usability, the speed, all where superior to windows 11 booting off an nvme ssd. I was able to install all of my software and apps that I normally use, and they work at a much faster speed. for instance, blender render times where cut literally in half, for the SAME scene.
Now, the only issue I have experienced:
I still cannot use SteamVR on zorin OS, I even tried to use steam link on my quest, but it just didnt work. this is the last standing issue before I uninstall windows for ever.
Valve are still working on Linux SteamVR. One of the big issues is the state of NVidia drivers proprietary or OSS with Wayland as I suspect Valve are doing a lot with Games-cope so need access to the GPU driver. The Intel OSS drivers still have a few things left to sort out too. I suspect it’ll be another year+ so before all three GPU (in reality just NVidia) manufacturers OSS drivers are offering the same quality
vr is also the only big reason for me that windows still takes up my disk space
looking at this I wish I bought an AMD GPU lol
Linux is great but half of the online titles using anti cheat do not work and there's nothing at the moment that we can do about that. Most devs deny support for Linux.
Not many developers has explicitly denied support, but most of them have just been silent about it.
Linux gaming is so good this days🙂 I don’t use arch, I don’t have the time😄nowadays I been using Ubuntu, yeah is just plug and play. Good time to be a Linux user….
Since I don't really play multiplayer games, Linux gaming is perfect for me.
Funny thing, sometimes Linux performance is better just because Proton translation layer is simply ignoring one or another effect as not implemented. Yeah, it's not a rocket science to be able to perform better when your rendering pipeline is reduced.
I'm using Ubuntu for my build, steam installing games hopefully they'll run
I've been gaming on Linux for about a month now. In all the games I play the experience is as good or better on Linux.. Granted I'm not benchmarking so I don't have the numbers. The important thing is it doesn't feel worse than windows. At this point unless you are bound to windows for work or something, being on Linux honestly feels like the right decision.
I wish I could play MW3 on Linux.
Artix with OpenRC (which is Arch based) certainly beats many of the other distros including Pop_OS in gaming FPS. Not by a long shot can Windows keep up with the demands.
The only thing keeping me on Windows for one of my computers is league 😪- lets see for how long that holds me
so this is the new excuse, yeah?
Linux doesn't have enough of an advantage in gaming for me and still plenty of games that either don't work on Linux or have issues so until I can play every game on Linux without issues windows it is. I'm using a stripped down version of windows and get very good results.
Steam should release a gaming console with Steam OS on it like tomorrow (pls Gaben)
Linux isn't really getting that much better, it's Windows becoming more and more unusable. Bloatware aside, they totally destroyed the way the kernel handles multitasking... it's enough to have two things running for one to freeze entirely when you're not having it your focused window BUT background processes will ALWAYS run with as many resources as they can have allocated... making anything run horribly slow and unstable, which forced me to Manjaro.
I use Windows for years and when the performances drop down, I buy a new CPU and GPU so I don't really care about the race with linux, but this is interesting thank's.
The fact that most games are written natively for Windows, and performance wise Linux competes and on some cases outdoes Windows in what is essentially using a workaround / emulation with proton, lutris etc is remarkable. It should be rather embarrassing for one of the biggest companies in the world but their choice to pack in endless bloat and telemetry services is a cost that is only being revealed with the continuing drop in Windows desktop market over the last 10 years over to mobile only, Chromebook, Mac, Linux. It means people are waking up and beginning to choose these alternatives. The anti-cheat thing is the only remaining true hurdle, but I'm sure that's on the list.
aoe4world bookmarked? what a absolute chad... what civ do u play
When it works, yeah
If I didnt have a 4090 I would go to linux, I like dlss and rtx too much
Linux running an Xbox game better than Windows is really funny
we need to compare windows and linux gaming once ntsync is merged
When AC's and league of legends runs on linux im dropping windows gaming vm's for good.
would love to see cachy os
Linux gaming will be mainstream one day!
Heard that first time at 2004 but its still a good joke 🤣
But this time more users will hate Windows and then they will try to move to Linux. This is obviously Linux is way better than Windows
anti cheat is the big mile stone
BattlEye and EAC already have Linux support as a Opt-In.
@gelbphoenix true but easy anti cheat is pretty popular for big games like blac desert online and other multi player games. League of legands has its own anti cheat which also doesnt work on linux.
@@abbatrombonelolBDO is a dead game and League has been Linux compatible for years now
@@Exeonz Nah, according to steamchart since 2018 BDO concurrent player been stable at 15k-30k players, for the recent months siiting at above 20k. Don't give a copium conclusion just because it doesn't run on linux.
@@axandraalex5869 That's extremely small player base, wow private servers get higher pop.