Come Follow Me - 1 Nephi 6-10 (part 1): Purpose of the Plates
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- Part 1 of a 2-part study of 1 Nephi 6-10 (this part will cover chapters 6-7 and 9). This lesson focuses on the purpose of the plates, Nephi's thesis statement, two sets of plates, inviting Ishmael, persuading prodigals, the Samuel Principle, and more. Join Jared Halverson for your weekly Come Follow Me study of the Book of Mormon!
0:00 Introduction
0:31 What the Book of Mormon Isn't
10:16 Purpose of the Plates
19:28 The Original Thesis Statement
25:02 Two Sets of Plates
27:37 Inviting Ishmael
33:36 Trying to Persuade a Prodigal
44:24 The Samuel Principle
49:06 Faith, Change, & Forgiveness
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Brother Jared please don't apologize for restricting the valuable time that you sacrifice for these inspired lessons. When I discovered your Unshaken podcast in which you went through verses one at a time I felt elated. The more common process of going through chapters at a rate that requires omitting essential events that are necessary for one who wants to understand exactly what is going on in that chapter. That "rush" method disappoints me because I have gained so much from the extra time you take by sharing personal experiences. It is during those moments in the lesson as I watch you gaze away from the camera and can sense that you are receiving inspiration that "miraculously" relates to important gospel doctrine and principles that I would have missed had you not taken the extra time to do so. I feel privileged, enlightened and amazed to participate in a teacher-Holy Ghost moment every time that happens.. However, I understand all of the sacrifices that you have been making for the past four years and the toll it has been taking on your family and career so I will have to accept your new approach regarding to teaching the lesson. I will miss the verse by verse teaching method that you have taught so effectively for over 600 hours since Unshaken was launched. Thank you Brother Jared for all that you have done for me and how you have helped me understand "The Word of God" better than I have ever understood it since I was baptized 43 years ago at the age of 27 when I transitioned from a lost and confused man of the world to a dedicated and grateful Latter Day Saint.
Brother Halverson-the longer the better. We love your deep dives into the scriptures! Thank you.
Perfect! You took the words right out of my mouth! I couldn’t have said it any better! 😊
Dont apologize. I got sucked in 4 years ago on the B of M, and i rediscovered my love for it. Today, I got an answer to very important prayer. It's true that we pray to God to speak to him, but he speaks to us through the scriptures. I heard him loud and clear today a d through the spirit gave me a very precise method. Thank you.
Feel free to spend as much or little time as you feel is right. You are doing Gods work and are greatly appreciated for your efforts and there are many prayers sent on your and your families behalf.
Brother Jared Halverson, I am happy to have you talked to us as long as you can.
Longer ,was better we gained more information. But I believe you need family time and others are needed your time in other ways.
Prayers for you and your family ❤📖🙏 4:10
I have never been able to understand what I am reading in the Book of Mormon, I was born and raised in the church, went to seminary, and have remained active, but the scriptures are beyond my comprehension.
I am not giving up just keep trying, I have to say you are helping me comprehend the Book Of Mormon more than I ever have.
Brother Halverson, I'm spiritually, physically and emotionally motivated by the in-depth study each week. My daily routine is to listen to the Unshaken podcasts during my daily travels to the golf course & running errands (yes I'm retired). Then each night I spend another couple hours watching the TH-cam video broadcasts and as I watch, listen and study I make copious notes on my phone as we flow through our studies verse by verse. So I pray you and your family could be blessed with an extra few hours in the day. Seriously, it's a huge blessing in my wife and I lives to have found your broadcasts. Thank you so much for the life of commitment to teaching the gospel.
"Sorry Ishmael, we don't even have the 8 cows of Johnny Lingo." I laughed out loud and almost crashed into the car in front of me! 😂 Thanks again Jarebear (that's what Pamela and I call you), another wonderful and enlightening week of scripture power!
Dear Bro.Halverson,
First my heartfelt thanks u have truly been inspired to say certain things in the past that I have been able to hear...being in the right place at the right time.
U have truly answered my prayers for help about what to do in certain situations.
Thank you for caring & praying for us!
Lengthy videos are refreshing… we never have the time in our SS classes to really think together and delve into every verse and have insightful discussions because of the time factor. You have given that to us and opened our minds to new ways of uncovering and understanding and interpreting the written words. Thank you and your family for your sacrifice of time. It makes an eternal difference in the lives of those beyond your classrooms that you touch virtually. You have a gift that you have not left unturned under a stone. I have been a convert for almost 50 years and I love your videos. They enrich and often give me a new perspective. Without your divinely led inspiration, I would still struggle to uncover the layers of understanding that you help me with. Please don’t ever stop!!
34 minutes in: Trying to persuade a Prodigal... I am in tears! Thankfully none of our sons have gone the "anti" route, but they are also not active. In no way are they doing bad either, quite the contrary... they are excellent fathers, have great jobs and LOVE their wives and children, treat their parents with love & respect... they just don't see the need to be active. We do have one son on the other side of the veil who died while serving his mission... somehow, I always thought he might be persuasive them from the other side to bring the other 3 "home". He was the baby and the other 3 are older. Your reading of 1 Nephi 7:8 helped me understand Nephi's broken heart at the hardness of his brother's hearts! I still want my boy's to come "home" to the Gospel... thankfully they still come to our home and LOVE being here as we are never critical... I hope their "younger brother" can send help from the other side! Thank you for touching my heart today!! Thank you for the special spirit you bring while I've studied with you since the beginning!! Great Work by a great Servant of God!
Br Jared. Since I am getting older and the scriptures say that old men shall dream dreams I am trying to ‘go to sleep unto the Lord’. I want to fill my mind with spiritual input before bed and invite Him to affect my dreams through prayer. He has eight hours available to do what He wants, with Satan or worldly cares not affecting me. I hope to have things to write down after I awake. At the very least I wake up less depressed. Food for thought.
Your explanation of 1 Nephi 6:5 made me so emotional ("...but the things which are pleasing unto God and unto those who are not of the world."). I have loved the scriptures more and have learned more through your wonderfully thorough and spiritual discussions and that made me excited to think this is for me, one who is trying to be "not of the world" ❤️
Thank you so much for all your time and efforts in teaching us!
As I'm married to a religious educator, i know that the amount of study and diligence required of the job can take a toll on the family. I'm always praying God will make up the difference. So i am truly hoping this frees up more time for yours and I'll be grateful for whatever you are willing to share with us! God bless you and yours. Thank you!
Bro Halverson, you are amazing! Thank you again!
Thank you Brother Halverson for reminding me how to speak to and treat those who have chosen to leave Mormonism. My husband of almost 24 years has chosen to leave and it has been really hard on me and our marriage. I strive to be like our Savior and show love and understanding but sometimes or often I fail miserably. I appreciate you and all you help me see in the Book of Mormon and how to apply these teachings in my life. You are a great blessing to me and so many others. Thank you!
I’m so sorry that you are experiencing a spiritual divide in your marriage. This happened in my family 4 years ago and it made Lehi and Sarah’s parental pain so real that I wept for them. Nephi tried to capture what they did to strengthen each other, stay consistent with their own spiritual beliefs, and guide children with extremely different ideas. There is a lot to learn from them. My heart goes out to you. Hold on!
Lehi needing the plates reminds me of people evacuating from natural disasters- they want proof of ownership of their property and birth certificates to prove their children belong to them. I would also grab scriptures if I were evacuating.
I used to struggle with the danger the boys were in to obtain the records from Laban, but we do the same thing with our records.
Thank you for sharing your love and understanding of the Book of Mormon and other scriptures.
I teach the valiant 9 and 10-year-olds and this Sunday I was able to share with them how to look at the 12 witnesses of the Book of Mormon represent spiritual and intellectual. My teaching companions understanding and knowledge was strengthened as well because you shared what you had gained.
Tonight as I listened and studied with you My eyes were opened to a new understanding from the first family of the Book of Mormon. I'm not struggling in my personal family life, I am struggling in my work family. I have a co-worker who's tragically a broken man and a misery is definitely his companion. The inside I gained from tonight's lesson with how I can be compassionate for him. Thank you again for sharing your passion and understanding of this great book.
Bro. Halverson, we have been so blessed by your instruction. While I selfishly love the verse by verse, and the amount I have learned from you, I appreciate your need for more family time. Thank you for continuing to teach us. Your podcast is a must for me and my family each week. Again, thank you for all that you do.
I love your beautiful example of how you approached opposition online, with conviction and with compassion. I wish more people would do this with such dignity and class.
I think it is so important when talking to family/Friends/Conversion partners about choices to be mindful of tone. As we can read Nephi’s language, there are two ways we can speak in like manner. It's so delicate, and each situation is so different. I hope that we can include God in the conversion so he can have his say.
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When you talked about missionaries and baptismal invitations it reminded me of my mission when we invited a family to be baptized. Just like how you said sometimes proposals don’t always go well the first time, the first thing this family said to us was they didn’t want to be baptized. Thanks to the spirit of the lord 3 months later the entire family walked in the waters of baptism! It truly is wonderful the miracles that can happen when the spirit touches a willing heart! #letsbelikeishmael
Brother in Christ, thank you for your wisdom, for your words, an answer to my prayer that I have been praying, about my two sons who have walked away from the gospel has been answered.
I am a mom who worries and worries until I make myself sick.
I know I cannot take their agency away ( trust me I wish I could) it’s very hard to watch them go down this path knowing that they will never be happy.
But the lesson today I hope will help me pray and muster up “ Brave Trust” and speak with them, I hope I can speak like Nephi spoke to his brothers and pray that my words will somehow touch their hearts and souls.
It's hard to bite your tongue when lashed out at. Thank you brother Halverson.
I so look forward to studying with you ty
I agree that as much time as you can afford to give us please do. My scripture study is so much better with you than on my own!! Love your lessons!! ❤
Jared! Did I just hear you use the work “Punk”??? Laman and Lemuel never rebelled to strike a conscious blow against God directly, hardly anyone does really. No, they hardened their hearts for the sake of fear - harder to judge them now isn’t it? Nobody gets “punked” unless fear has firmly overwhelmed courage. Laman and Lemuel definitely felt punked by Nephi, dangerous. Brother Halverson, it is very common today, and always has been, to get “ended” over even a misperceived attempt to relegate the wrong crew to punk. In this World fear rules. Excellent lesson by the way. You are a good man, an innocent man, a holy man. Your mannerisms still drive me crazy, LOL. I love you!
Wonderful insight of the Book of Mormon. Thank you for the "Samuel Principle", it is most helpful.
The absolute gem of the day!
thank you Bro Halverson for a great lesson. I like that you have the scriptures to read as you're teaching them. God bless you and family for imparting so much knowledge for us.
Thank You Brother H. Great wisdom as I struggle with how to deal with my some of my own children who have left the path and I have sought answers on how to best help them and how I need to focus my efforts. Thank you for the time you take to help me study the Book of Mormon.
You're amazing! I love listening & you make every day a joy to start my scripture study with. Thank you! Looking back i wish I wasn't half asleep at early morning seminary. Early morning scripture reading & study is gold!!
We needed the Samuel Principle for one of our sons. Thanks so much!
Thankyou!!! There's not much more that could be said for your time and effort... THANKYOU
Happy ending for Lehi family. Thank You very much 😍👏
love you brother amazing message about forgiveness 😊😊😊 yes its true no matter what we need to forgive and give 💕 love...
Thank you part 1 is great! I am going to try and “respond in love” in my life.
I kind of felt the families of Lehi and Ishmael knew each other well and were far from being strangers. :)
I agree with what has been said. You never need to apologize for going over an hour. Please do! I think your two hour podcasts are the perfect length. Giving me plenty of time to listen and also to do my own study. Thank you to all you do!
I really enjoy your podcast ! I’ve learned so much and my testimony has grown. I like the 3+ hr. Learning sessions but I’ll take what I can get . Thank you so much for your dedication and time teaching the scriptures .
Thanks
Thank you for giving some of us grace for times when we haven't been as on fire with the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ, as we (or rather I) have during periods of life.
As for me, I think I got this passion initially from a Fireside by John Bytheway, but I have often gravitated towards the War Chapters (as we often call them) with Captain Moroni, the Sons of Helaman, and Pahoran.
I especially love Pahoran's response letter to Moroni, and have often felt and seen how things are playing out politically for those of us who are here in America.
(And I'm sure other Saints from around the World may be able to compare what's happening politically in the Book of Mormon with their own Countries as well.)
I also loved Alma 32 and the hope that even if we only have a Desire to believe, this can be enough to start with in our journey of Faith in Jesus Christ and His Gospel.
I am grateful for Alma 36 and the hope that no matter how dark a place I'm in or how far away I find myself from the path, there is Always Jesus Christ and I can have hope in His Rescue!
Not that I should take advantage and misuse His offering, but when I decide to Repent, He is there.
I remember reading the phrase in the scriptures about "But His Arm is Stretched out Still."
I thought that meant that with the punishment, there would Still be more waiting to come!
Luckily, however, I learned that this meaning is just the opposite.
Yes, there is an opposition; and Yes, there are consequences for our actions (good and bad).
But as I've been reading the Old Testament, I have learned that ".. His Arm is Stretched Out Still.", is an act Not of More Punishment, but instead, Grace and Mercy! Another chance to get up and try again.
Thank you for remaining Unshaken. I need this and Jesus Christ's Example. ♥🙏✝🕊
Bro Jared, thank you so much for the time you put into these discussions - I've been learning so much for these scuba dives into the scriptures
I understand that Ishmael and his family were relatives and not perfect strangers, and the Lord inspired Lehi to send for them.
And that 2 of Lehi's daughters had already married into Ishmael's family and had families of their own
@SallyJDa thank you! I'd never heard that! Who taught this?
@jeannedeshazer-ellsworth9995 Elder Erastus Snow in the Journal of Discourses. 23:184 "The Prophet Joseph informed us that the record of Lehi was contained in the 116 pages that were first translated in subsequently stolen, and of which an abridgement is given us in the first book of Nephi, which is the record of Nephi individually, he himself being of the lineage of Manasseh; but that Ishmael was of the lineage of Ephraim, and that his son's married into Lehi's family, and Lehi's sons married Ishmael's daughters."
@SallyJDa - thanks so much!
I don't think that necessarily supports the idea that Lehi's daughters were already married into Ismhael's family unless I am misreading it....@@SallyJDa
Thank you 🙏🏻 Your lessons are amazing. I look forward to each one for the past 3years plus! Inspiring, helpful scripture study
I love your podcast...any idea why this week's lesson (1 Nephi 6-10) didn't make it into my Google Podcast feed? I imagine it's some weird Google glitch...
Wondering the same thing.
Mine hasn’t loaded any of the new ones either.
Same
Your statements on chapter 6 give me a new prospective as I read and study tThe Book of Mormon! I will go back to this chapter often!! Thanks again!
Doing the Lord’s work
Absolutely love this!❤️☀️
Thank for this!
Thank you so much!
I’ve searched without success to find the talk by Elder Bednar about the unity in Lehi’s family after the journey to bring Ishmael’s family that just preceded Lehi’s dream. Please share the reference if you have it. Thanks!
As someone defending his dissertation next month, you’re speaking my language.
I kept looking for the link to the second part and I could not find it. No worries. I will look for it! I love you for all you do for us!
I remember reading an Ensign article years ago, that referenced I believe a letter of Lucy Mack Smith, saying that Ishmael was Sariah's brother. So, this was family they were sent to get..
Anyone else remember this or know of the Ensign Article? I want say it was sometime in the 1980-90's.
I wondered if Nephi's family already knew Ishmael's family. Perhaps Nephi's sisters, mentioned later in the Book of Mormon, were already married to some of Ishmael's sons. Just a thought. Jan
Love your show. Sad they're shorter, but happy for your family to get you longer.... Will you still be doing podcast?
I remember reading a book that was in my institute's library that was a fictional story about Ishmael's daughters. It was pretty cute and a fun imagined backstory. Unfortunately I can't remember the title.
You really shouldn't talk yourself down so much. You are a son of God, when you invited your wife to marry you, you were offering everything the Father has. She didn't lower her standards to marry you, she probably understood the majesty of the throne you were really offering. She showed great wisdom to marry a man of God. Which is probably what Ishmael understood himself, his children were being offered eternal salvation, or certain destruction, he chose wisely, to leave and gave his children a chance to know the Lord.
Brother Halverson, thank you for the time you put into your videos. I have been watching for years, but this is my first comment. I served in Puerto Rico, I think about a decade before you did. I love your chart around the 12 minute mark on what the Book of Mormon is and what it isn't.
I did want to point out that very few of the 66 books of the Bible start with a lengthy genealogy. 1 Chronicles does. 1 Samuel gives five generations for Samuel and states they were from Ephraim. Matthew and Luke have genealogies in their second chapters. But the other Gospels do not. I wished we had more of Moses' line in Exodus--without such a line we get arguments between advocates of the short and long sojourn theories.
Genesis is the most famous for genealogies--there are 11 of them in that book (including the Generations of the Heavens and the Earth). These genealogies serve as transitions between the 12 parts of Genesis. The author or redactor of Genesis seems to have used them are organizational framing.
So yes, some Biblical books do start with lists of generations long or short. The most common thing we see in the beginning of Old Testament books is a statement of parents and of a previous ancestor. Moses was of the tribe of Levi through a particular son, but then a gap to his parents. Jeremiah descends from the priests at Anathoth, but the genealogy isn't spelled out. We know David's genealogy. We know Saul's father and that he descended from Benjamin, but not the full genealogy. We aren't told the ancestry of any of the four major and twelve minor prophets. If this was such an important theme, why don't we get it from the prophetic books.
In other words, Nephi is in line with many books of the Bible by identifying his parents and an ancestor, without filling in the details. He does tell us that Lehi took account for them. Mormon said he abridged his record from the large plates of Nephi, which was for the secular history, so I wonder whether Lehi's own account was in the lost pages.
Remarkable as always Bro Hal! I was hoping you would reference that quote from Elder Hales as you often have in the past; i.e., “More regrettable than the Church being accused of not being Christian is when Church members react to such accusations in an un-Christlike way,” thus proving them right.
I too thought of this 2008 talk from Elder Hales. I always think of the time in 2013 when Planned Parenthood passed out free condoms at public schools in Salt Lake wrapped in packaging sporting the CTR shield. Members of the church were outraged, said awful things. The church leadership was silent.
I've had this thought in my head rattling around that one way I can look at the BoM is the transition between the Old Testament and the New. This is bringing some interesting insights especially with Laman and Lemuel. If Nephi is the New Testament, are they the Old? As I read further, will I notice if the situations where Laman and Lemuel struggle reflects new Gospel/ways thinking beyond the old Laws they have been raised in?
That part of changing heart of 3rd person. It's need for today's politics. The People that have chosen theiir political parties or candidates no persuasive feels will change their mind. So in a debate you ate looking for the 3rd person..the one that hasn't made the mind up. So always be calm when delivering facts.
I'm wondering about chapter 6 if it's not God's way of telling Nephi to stick to the important things and not make it a dialog as some people do when baring their testimony.
The Book of Mormon is for the convincing of the Jew and Gentile and in Chapter 6:5 for those “not of the world”. For those who have died and those still to come? Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world”
I thought that Lehi and Ismael were friends for a long time. And the boys already knew them. Please help me with the issue. Thank you
Bro Halverson…The last episode that the Podcast has is last week. This week’s lesson isn’t there. Just wanted to make you aware
Question: If Ishmael's children matched in gender and HEART with Lehi's children, then Ishmael's 2 sons who rebelled matched Lehi's 2 unmentioned daughters?
I started 3 years ago in priesthood everyone knows the answers, I dont and my answers often are from my view of just 3 plus years ,Sunday School I'm afraid to even speak I'm 69 maybe its too late ,I still go into Church and to Temple when I can get there I just dont know,I want to but Thank You rsdno
I've wondered if Lehi knew Ishmael from synagogue, if the families knew each other before Lehi and Co. left Jerusalem.
QUESTION. What about the two sons of Ishmael who were like Lamen and Lemuel? Did Lehi have two daughters for THEM that also rebelled?
Bro. Halverson, I MISSED your ORIGINAL series on the Book of Mormon, and would LOVE to watch those also, but can only find them from Jacob onward. Any chance you could INCLUDE a link to your 2020 corresponding podcasts from 3 years ago in each of this years'? I'd love to watch both each week.
He began with Jacob 4 years ago when the pandemic necessitated his classes transition to online.
@@lynnettepearce3437yes. Makes me wonder if once we get to Jacob if he’ll keep it shorter. I’ll listen to the then and now. 😊
could you please share the Bednar reference from the end of this video 🙏🏽 1:01:55
Brother Halverson, I've been thinking about parenting and the proving of contraries as it applies to raising children. People tell me I impose too few consequences on my children, but I'm really trying consciously to establish an atmosphere of love and acceptance as well as correction, and correct judiciously and intentionally, with clear communication as to eternal laws and societal standards rather than "Me mom, you kid, you do!" I'm trying to find my middle ground. But everyone keeps telling me I'm too lenient. I'm almost scared to ask for your thoughts, but I would love to hear how you apply the proving of contraries to parenting. If you're ever looking for a supplemental topic for something. 😂
EDIT: Sorry, long comment. I've got some tough kids to parent, so maybe what I am missing is my own parenting "thesis" or "dissertation." Maybe it would help me explain to myself and others why I make the choices I do. And help me discover my lack of logic where it does exist. Thanks for talking about purposes and writing, Brother Halverson.
I’m writing a talk on the Holly ghost. Bro Halverson Once shared a story about Boyd k Packer, studying all the standard works to find the most important thing which was- being worthy of the gift of the Holy Ghost. Does anybody remember which podcast he said that in? Or more details of that story??
I just have to ask if that is the Ark of the Covenant on the shelf over your right shoulder?
Please put these onto podcast! I prefer to listen rather than watch.
I found an interesting note on genealogy in the Book of Mormon index. The listing for Ishmael identifies him as an "Ephraimite". However, NO WHERE in the Book of Mormon is Ishmael identified as an Ephraimite! I later learned that this identification was made within the lost 116 pages of the original manuscript. I wonder how many nuggets of knowledge were passed down from the lost 116 pages?
Could you please post the day and time you publish? Or is it totally random thing? Just as you read and are ready?
It's usually at 6am (MST) on Wednesdays. If there's a part 2, it usually comes out at the same time on Thursdays. I hope that helps!
I always use the words “worthy of” for the word “meet”
Is that wrong?
Nephi came back from Jerusalem with not only the brass plates but with the sword of Laban as well. Both were necessary.
Probably weird question: What was the lure for Ishmael's sons? Was it ultimately for a chance for adventure or to stay with family? They had no marriage prospects of their own ( other than inter family relationships! ). Was it to follow God's will? We learn later that they were'nt necessarily of that persuasion as they were in on the rebellion initially against Nephi.
I gave this book, and the Church two years in the Ohio Cleveland Mission from November 1990 to 1992. I defended the faith with fervent testimony concerning the truthfulness of the Gift & Power of God in the Urim & Thumim. I was bold in opposition to any who who speak about seer stones, and of others aspects the Church has now embraced / endorsed. What those outside have had to say hasn't had to change. The Church keeps weaseling away from historicity claims and publish apologetic propaganda. We see archeology evidences for the Bible, everything about Mesoamerica & Heartland models keeps failing. My relationship with the Book of Mormon is comparable to the Screwtape Letters or any other work of fiction. It's not the world that broke the book for me like it has been the Church, and the evidence now embrace that Joseph Smith scryed the Book, with a seer stone in his hat. Emotions aren't enough. In time evidence must come forth to certify faith and foster future growth. It seems the 2Nephi 9:34 Wo unto the liar for he shall be thrust down to hell is an ironic self incriminating verse for a "Prophet" who couldn't see around corners when including Dutero-Isaiah in a work with an impossible kind of beginning from nearly 100 years before Dutero-Isaiah was written. Maybe someday the leadership of the Church will stop lying about the Book of Mormon- including pulling the rug out from under those who fervently believed.
I do find it interesting that the whole book acts as a testimony from the branch of Israel that is Joseph’s lineage, yet it does not do the Hebrew practice of proving it by giving a genealogy. If the Bible acts as the stick of Juda, and the BOM acts as the stick of Joseph, it would be very valuable real estate to give that genealogy. Ether does just that later in the book. I know the Book of Mormon is true. I just find that to be curious.
Perhaps in one of the records Mormon abridged from had that genealogy.
Did you stop posting on Spotify?
Got it! Thank you! My driving time just improved greatly.
Something to think about. I do not believe the families of Ishmael and Lehi were strangers, nor their respective children strangers. I believe they already knew each other, or Ishmael's children wouldn't have been so willing to leave everything behind and go down into the wilderness with perfect strangers. You would have had rebellions among them the same way Laman and Lemuel rebelled about leaving everything behind and going down into the wilderness to perish. It would also explain why Laman and Lemuel did not rebel again going back down into the wilderness-because the families already knew each other. And was it just a coincidence that Ishmael had five unmarried daughters to match the four unmarried sons of Lehi and Zoram, and that there was one unmarried son of Ishmael and one unmarried daughter of Lehi? It sounds like pre-existent planning to me that they should all grow up knowing each other. :·) And this seemed to play itself out in the rebellion of Laman and Lemuel on their way back to Lehi, so far as those who eventually sided with Nephi, including the one unmarried son of Ishmael. Interesting, though, that it mentioned Ishmael's wife, but not Ishmael himself, as siding with Nephi.
Jared and Other Unshaken Saints, I am struggling with something that I think is a good point. Why does Nephi and others in Old Testament Book of Mormon times have such a clear knowledge of Jesus Christ? They know his name exactly where he is from. 1 Nephi 11:13. I understand that maybe a lot of this was given to Nephi after arriving to the New World, however nothing else in the Old Testament is as specific as what Nephi has. It just seems far too specific for Nephi and the subsequent writers of the Book of Mormon to know nearly everything about the Savior, while the biblical prophets had far less to go on.
I suppose they weren't going to be in Jerusalem and it required far more faith to believe he would be born on the other side of the world.
Do you have something I could look to or study up on to understand this better? Could you address it in one of your videos? If you already have someone please point me in that direction.
Thank you for all you do.
It's a great question. I can only give some honest thoughts. 1) I think you may have already hit on part of it... perhaps God gave them more for various reasons, like the distance--faith thing. 2) If God knew the Bible would be missing some things, and that the Book of Mormon was meant to reestablish some of those plain and precious truths, he needed to give it. 3) I personally believe the ancient old testament prophets knew more about Christ than made it into our present day bible. As an example, the Pearl of Great Price shows us that Moses and Enoch experienced some powerful, personal visitations not recorded in the Bible (eg. Moses 1). 4) The Brother of Jared saw all things (Ether 3:20-21,25) while still in the old world but was commanded to seal them. I suspect he wasn't the only one commanded to keep some things vague or hidden. 5) Peter, James, and John were told to remain very quiet about what happened on the mount of transfiguration (Matthew 17:9) for a while, and doesn't seem like it was ever recorded in the bible after Christ's death. 6) I find it interesting that so many bible prophets veiled their revelations in symbols (Isaiah, John the revelator, etc.) as if God wanted it that way for ancient Israel and modern day mainstream Christianity.
Just some thoughts. I really hope and pray your prayers, searching, and pondering bear unspeakable fruit. Godspeed my brother.
Yep, I still think the genealogy was in the first 116 pages.
We don’t know how many sisters Nephi had.
Nephi may have had sisters, that is something we do not know, and the scriptures leave out a lot of
Couldn’t part of the reason as to why they went to Ishmael to marry his family and come with them on their journey because they were related? Historically and anthropologically the “desert people” would marry from the family of their paternal uncle. So Lehi and Ishmael’s families would likely be related. Perhaps part of the reason they tried to gain favor in Ishmael’s sight is because Lehi was a “visionary man” and perhaps Ishmael was embarrassed of his nephew/relative? I feel like there is cultural evidence from the history of the people in Jerusalem at the time to show that Ishmael wasn’t a random pick. My feeling is that God prepared Ishmael and blessed him with daughters in preparation for Lehi’s family’s children.
1:17 That's a nice imagining, but it's not what the scriptures say. "...it came to pass that the LORD SPAKE UNTO HIM again, saying that it was not meet for him, Lehi, that he should take his family into the wilderness alone; but that his sons should take daughters to wife, that they might raise up seed unto the Lord in the land of promise.
2 And it came to pass that THE LORD COMMANDED HIM that I, Nephi, and my brethren, should again return unto the land of Jerusalem, and bring down Ishmael and his family into the wilderness."
Mormonism its not a lie if you believe it...
Wasn’t it better geneticly to bring married children and their families? 😉🕊❤️🕊
I’ve been waiting since 2020 for you to do 1Nep and 2Nep and it was worth the wait. Treasuring up every minute 🫶🫶
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When you talked about missionaries and baptismal invitations it reminded me of my mission when we invited a family to be baptized. Just like how you said sometimes proposals don’t always go well the first time, the first thing this family said to us was they didn’t want to be baptized. Thanks to the spirit of the lord 3 months later the entire family walked in the waters of baptism! It truly is wonderful the miracles that can happen when the spirit touches a willing heart! #letsbelikeishmael
33:48
When you talked about missionaries and baptismal invitations it reminded me of my mission when we invited a family to be baptized. Just like how you said sometimes proposals don’t always go well the first time, the first thing this family said to us was they didn’t want to be baptized. Thanks to the spirit of the lord 3 months later the entire family walked in the waters of baptism! It truly is wonderful the miracles that can happen when the spirit touches a willing heart! #letsbelikeishmael
33:48
When you talked about missionaries and baptismal invitations it reminded me of my mission when we invited a family to be baptized. Just like how you said sometimes proposals don’t always go well the first time, the first thing this family said to us was they didn’t want to be baptized. Thanks to the spirit of the lord 3 months later the entire family walked in the waters of baptism! It truly is wonderful the miracles that can happen when the spirit touches a willing heart! #letsbelikeishmael
33:48
When you talked about missionaries and baptismal invitations it reminded me of my mission when we invited a family to be baptized. Just like how you said sometimes proposals don’t always go well the first time, the first thing this family said to us was they didn’t want to be baptized. Thanks to the spirit of the lord 3 months later the entire family walked in the waters of baptism! It truly is wonderful the miracles that can happen when the spirit touches a willing heart! #letsbelikeishmael