I mean, it basically is the modern miracle rogue. Actual miracle rogue had bad early hands and made pretty weak plays, trying to survive until things popped off. It wasn't too different from other combos in that regard. Now, all combo decks have a couple of key cards, and the rest of the deck can play a totally normal tempo game plan. Ergo, you get DH being a version of Miracle Rogue that doesn't suck to play along the way to its combo.
Demon Hunter is what happens when the design team wanted to make a class really good (cause they want people playing the new class) AND they have years of knowledge and experience on what makes a card good in Hearthstone. They just took the best card traits in all of Hearthstone history up to that point and give DH all of them. 1-mana aggro atk-gain minion? Check 0-mana spells? Check Mana Cheats? Check Card draw that can mana cheat? Check Charge minions with high ATK? Check Dealing AOE damage via attack value ala blade Flurry? Check Cheating big minions out of hand/deck in early turns? Def Check ... and many, many more.
Demon hunter set a precedent if powercreep the game still has and will probably never recover from. Its release was probably the beginning of the end for HS.
I didn't play during the beginning of DH but this is how i mainly feel about DK currently. While with the recent mini set DK is less prevalent I just cannot stand the discover mechanic with DK. It makes it FEEL impossible to play around. I can't tell u how many times I've lost to the class from discovering the perfect card OUTSIDE OF THEIR RUNE TYPE out of nowhere. Tilts me beyond belief.
@@Intestine_Ballin-ism Totally agree. Just make Discover more consistent by making it so you can only discover cards you could have put in your deck, rather than adding additional rules to account for some other cards being broken. Would it REALLY be so bad if Rainbow DK could discover more copies of Necrotic Explosion?
Demon hunter was overturned for like a month, and I feel like some people haven’t let that go. I think the secret is that people don’t like agro decks and demon hunter is by and large an agro class, maybe a bit of midrange on the side.
Lots of attack buffs from hand is something Druids are doing a lot in wild and standard and also they are gaining a whole bunch of armor at the same time.
Historically, Rogue and Druid have pissed me off the most. There are multiple unfun Demon Hunter decks to face now though. 1:31 Poor 2020 Rarran was just looking for someone to tell him "you look fantastic". Little did he know his future self would go in on him. 11:06 lmao classic
I came back to hearthstone after taking a short break, got steamrolled for 10 games by Demon Hunter while it was new, then stopped playing until Death Knight came out
Druid is absolutely a class with no weaknesses, at least in wild. Only class with ramp. broken combo enablers like Guff, Alignment, Floop's Gloop, Aviana, Ysiel, and Lady Anacondra. all the card draw and armor you want with cards like Aquatic form, Ferocious howl, Branching paths, Dew Process, Moonlit Guindance and more. Against aggro? no problem: Swipe, Oaken Summons , Rake, Flipper Friends, and Scale of Onixia. Need to clear big minions? Naturalize and Poison Seeds has you covered. Want to go forever, run Jade Idol. Want to become aggro? A whole host of cards from Clawfury adept, Composting, Living Roots and more will fill out your list. I am aware that druid is not always the best, but it has such a wealth of powerhouse cards and effects unique to it that no class can compare.
Im usually high legend (1k and above), but i dont pay any money for the game so my options are very limited. That makes me stick to 3 or 4 classes at most. I hate demon hunters in wow so i never played it in hs. Besides not having played the class, the problem (i think) is that it is impossible to predict when they're gonna pop off, if you do something that prevents their insane turn, they can just wait and do it the next one withouth any consequence, just out of nowhere. So beyond turn 5 or 6, you need to play perfectly and have a clear answer for everything they can do (wich is a lot) and you may still not be able to prevent an otk from hand. Plus, having a 1 mana hero power is just absurd Edit: Plus unleash fel is just unbeliavable unfair.
ok... my take: dh's biggest problem is that every single time its relevant it tilts as hard as possible. I rarely lose to DH and end up not tilted causing no fun. DK also does everything well, but DK cant do it all at once, if ur aggro you arnt hyper controll, if ur combo ur not aggro. Discover breaks this and should probably be changed but otherwise its fine.
The worst part is that card generation was supposed to be one of the classes weaknesses. Sure it had the best card draw in the game but you had none of the discover or random generation that other classes had meaning you had to be very aware of how you built your deck and it’s matchups. Now demon hunter can find the perfect out for anything with illidari studies and felerin
I hate the sheer card quality Dh and Dk get off of discover and other generation. It never feels good because so many of the options they get handed feel better than the other 9 classes
@@CrossRetro I feel like dk at minimum should just get like an extra 10 crap cards thrown into their class so they dont always discover exactly what they need.
@@jesuschrist9677 Or not being able to grab cards with more sigils than that are in the starting deck. Why they thought my Frost Dk should get a Blood Boil off of their discover boggles
With the content during darkmoon you were just a youtuber who did normal videos nothing crazy but your humor and new content stuff really made your newself
I enjoy every class in hearthstone. But DH is the one class I’ve always tried SO HARD to enjoy, but I just can never enjoy it. Whether it’s meta decks, off meta decks, homebrew, etc. I just never had fun with it. That’s why I also hate it when DH is at the top of the meta, because that means I have to play the class if I want to get to legend easily that month. I usually don’t mind facing off against DH(except combo DH), but I just hate playing it.
Demon hunter is okay as long as you just focus on surviving, to me mage is way more unfair because of the ridiculous damage they can do in one turn, also they can get as much armor as needed with a small minion, so you can't play too aggressive or play too slow and even then you got bad luck if they had a good starting hand.
I think the issue with Demon Hunter is that it does not present a deckbuilding challenge in any way, in a game that is arguably about deckbuilding at its core. As you reiterated in this video, every other class identity is at least partially defined by a weakness, something it either can't do well or not at all. (Not sure about DK on this, since I haven't played HS in a while). The challenge (and arguably the fun) of building and playing a deck then comes from either overcoming that weakness, compensating for it with some sort of workaround or just straight up ignoring it, focusing on your classes strengths, accepting your unfavourable matchups and preying on other prevalent decks to increase your overall winrate. However, with Demon Hunter it seems to me like you always just want to netdeck. Pick the flavour-of-the-month demon hunter synergy and just run the most optimal deck list for it. Sure, you can try to play off-meta or maybe try last months flavour, but in all likelihood you will end up just playing a self-imposed worse version of the decklist you could be playing.
i think discover as a keyword needs to be reworked to just search your own deck. The amount of times opponents find the PERFECT card that didnt even start in thier deck makes it feel like, im playing a casino game where nothing but who high rolls harder wins.
I mean i just dropped the game on DH release and came back at sunken city. So i don't even know what're you talking about. For me DH style-wise feels weird, but things like relic DH were kinda fun. Warrior identity nowadays is a lot more concerning than DH. So it just has to be trauma. Like shudderwock shaman for me.
Thanks for the vid, the way you describe DH matches perfectly the way on how i feel about Druid, usually there are some ok losses and some bad losses, but Druid makes me feel the worst, not even to mention they are the most annoying class in WoW lore, dumb mechanics (bigger & bigger man or brain-dead armor combos), also the ones that most BM I think in the end the class you hate the most might be all about personallity and specific situations along your play history
I dont like demon hunter because I feel like its more rng dependent than other classes. They either dont do anything at all until you kill them or do the most broken shit and you cant do anything against it, whether youre playing aggro or control.
Same goes for Death Knight I guess. But the most annoying classes are always Priest, Mage, Roge, and Warlock. I'm also at Diamond 5 right now and did not face any DH or DK at all since days. Only Mage and sometimes Hunter or Paladin. Also zero Rogues and Shamans on my ladder the last 3 days.
Bro I was sooo hyped about Demon Hunter, when it was about to come out (of the closet). I knew it was going to be crazy aggressive and totally broken, but still, it was a new class, first in SIX YEARS!!! I felt like "Hearthstone isn't dead yet!". Was this a piece of shit? Yeah! Even me, who enjoyed Kael'Thas OTK deck was like "what is this pile of crap? It's broken". But I don't feel like DH should be the most anticipated one. This game still has Druids, Paladins and Priests. Druids are ridiculous. My relationships with this class is absolutely hilarious. I can play them and enjoy the experience only when the druid is like bottom tier. When class is SLIGHTLY better than bottom it already feels like I'm committing war crimes. Paladins are different. Most of the time this class is incredibly boring and not really good at anything. But when it gets just a few good cards it becomes a freaking nightmare. It's always something absolutely aggressive and has no potential brain power behind it's gameplay. Like I have a legitimate meme "smartest paladin player" which means "playing against incredibly stupid player, that makes a tonne of unbelievably bad mistakes, but still wins the game, cause his deck value is ridiculous". Nearly there stands a kid named Priest. Back in the day this class was my personal nightmare. The idea of that class is so stupid, that it actually freaked me out. It's originally a fully control class, that is good ONLY versus control archetype. Control is my favourite game archetype, and I like the idea, that it's strictly following the pattern of beating aggro, sucking to midrange and winning mirror matches by getting better value. Priest, historically, was trash against both aggro and midrange, but was destroying any control deck. Nowadays, priest still has one of the nastiest control archetypes in the game, but it also has it's own mid and even aggro archetypes. Priest become normal, more or less (still is a nightmare of wild). Overall, I think present day meta is mostly fine. I wanna trim paladins a bit, cause the amount of their yellow bubbles is ridiculous. Wouldn't mind to cut some of the druid cards even more. Priest is fine, let him be. And finally, speaking of demon hunter, I think we lack some kind of control archetype for this class, that is going to make dh sit on his ass a bit, instead of charging into battle on first five turns
They really wanted to make the most broken class in the game to show how much they suck at balancing their game. They did it way better than expected in that regard.
I actually mained DH when it first came out and I still love it to this day. That being said, yeah, the class was freaking *broken* and even now has a lot of downright cheap strategies
I've disenchanted all of my cards except Warlock and Rogue, only played with these 2 classes because the others are super corrupt in some ways which makes me really unhappy with any support I've given to the Blizzard.
Rarran, I love your content, but if you say one more hateful thing about Demon Hunter while crying that Guff is no longer in standard, I will choke-slam you into a "Hearthsotne player rates Chaotic cards" video
I am still not over the fact that demon hunters have a king crush with wind fury
A king krush? No they have 2 king krushes with windfury
They don't. It can't hit twice the first time .
@@shadowpriest2574 Does normal King Crush can destroy a taunt and then come after your face?))
@@ЯрославМоскаленко-ц2ь He can't, but King Crush with Windfury could deal 16 damage face, not 8.
@@shadowpriest2574 so basically king krush with windfury but can attack the face only once in the turn he's summoned? doesn't make it any better tho
Demonhunter's class identity is essentially miracle Rogue, but with lifesteal.
more like face hunter, but with draw and lifesteal
I mean, it basically is the modern miracle rogue. Actual miracle rogue had bad early hands and made pretty weak plays, trying to survive until things popped off. It wasn't too different from other combos in that regard. Now, all combo decks have a couple of key cards, and the rest of the deck can play a totally normal tempo game plan. Ergo, you get DH being a version of Miracle Rogue that doesn't suck to play along the way to its combo.
Demon Hunter is what happens when the design team wanted to make a class really good (cause they want people playing the new class) AND they have years of knowledge and experience on what makes a card good in Hearthstone. They just took the best card traits in all of Hearthstone history up to that point and give DH all of them.
1-mana aggro atk-gain minion? Check
0-mana spells? Check
Mana Cheats? Check
Card draw that can mana cheat? Check
Charge minions with high ATK? Check
Dealing AOE damage via attack value ala blade Flurry? Check
Cheating big minions out of hand/deck in early turns? Def Check
... and many, many more.
Demon hunter set a precedent if powercreep the game still has and will probably never recover from. Its release was probably the beginning of the end for HS.
I didn't play during the beginning of DH but this is how i mainly feel about DK currently. While with the recent mini set DK is less prevalent I just cannot stand the discover mechanic with DK. It makes it FEEL impossible to play around. I can't tell u how many times I've lost to the class from discovering the perfect card OUTSIDE OF THEIR RUNE TYPE out of nowhere. Tilts me beyond belief.
I really think they should've changed the discover to be able to discover tri-runes but nothing outside of your decks runes.
@@Intestine_Ballin-ism Totally agree. Just make Discover more consistent by making it so you can only discover cards you could have put in your deck, rather than adding additional rules to account for some other cards being broken. Would it REALLY be so bad if Rainbow DK could discover more copies of Necrotic Explosion?
@@MDoorpsy it would make it a better deck, for sure. A consistently better deck? Not really
Much like demon hunter, Rarran can do anything and has a lot of potential
For 7 mana he can clear your board AND deal 19 damage. With no board presence. wtf?
Pre-nerf altruis and twin slice
Demon hunter identity: Draw cards, Reduce cost, Deal damage.
Really cool and creative blizzard
Now I want to see Rarran as Rogue vs Zeddy as Demon Hunter.
Rarran as priest.
Based on what Rarran said, I will assume that he also hates druid in wild
Demon hunter was overturned for like a month, and I feel like some people haven’t let that go. I think the secret is that people don’t like agro decks and demon hunter is by and large an agro class, maybe a bit of midrange on the side.
Lots of attack buffs from hand is something Druids are doing a lot in wild and standard and also they are gaining a whole bunch of armor at the same time.
Historically, Rogue and Druid have pissed me off the most. There are multiple unfun Demon Hunter decks to face now though.
1:31 Poor 2020 Rarran was just looking for someone to tell him "you look fantastic". Little did he know his future self would go in on him.
11:06 lmao classic
Alas, poor warlock.
I came back to hearthstone after taking a short break, got steamrolled for 10 games by Demon Hunter while it was new, then stopped playing until Death Knight came out
Druid is absolutely a class with no weaknesses, at least in wild. Only class with ramp. broken combo enablers like Guff, Alignment, Floop's Gloop, Aviana, Ysiel, and Lady Anacondra. all the card draw and armor you want with cards like Aquatic form, Ferocious howl, Branching paths, Dew Process, Moonlit Guindance and more. Against aggro? no problem: Swipe, Oaken Summons , Rake, Flipper Friends, and Scale of Onixia. Need to clear big minions? Naturalize and Poison Seeds has you covered. Want to go forever, run Jade Idol. Want to become aggro? A whole host of cards from Clawfury adept, Composting, Living Roots and more will fill out your list.
I am aware that druid is not always the best, but it has such a wealth of powerhouse cards and effects unique to it that no class can compare.
young rarran looks like if rarran decided to become a shit head, so good progress rarran.
Im usually high legend (1k and above), but i dont pay any money for the game so my options are very limited. That makes me stick to 3 or 4 classes at most. I hate demon hunters in wow so i never played it in hs. Besides not having played the class, the problem (i think) is that it is impossible to predict when they're gonna pop off, if you do something that prevents their insane turn, they can just wait and do it the next one withouth any consequence, just out of nowhere. So beyond turn 5 or 6, you need to play perfectly and have a clear answer for everything they can do (wich is a lot) and you may still not be able to prevent an otk from hand. Plus, having a 1 mana hero power is just absurd
Edit: Plus unleash fel is just unbeliavable unfair.
what is hall of fame? I can't find a list with the apprentice/ what he's talking about at 5:30
Old rarran with the "how you doin fellow kids" drip
ok... my take: dh's biggest problem is that every single time its relevant it tilts as hard as possible. I rarely lose to DH and end up not tilted causing no fun. DK also does everything well, but DK cant do it all at once, if ur aggro you arnt hyper controll, if ur combo ur not aggro. Discover breaks this and should probably be changed but otherwise its fine.
The worst part is that card generation was supposed to be one of the classes weaknesses. Sure it had the best card draw in the game but you had none of the discover or random generation that other classes had meaning you had to be very aware of how you built your deck and it’s matchups. Now demon hunter can find the perfect out for anything with illidari studies and felerin
I hate the sheer card quality Dh and Dk get off of discover and other generation. It never feels good because so many of the options they get handed feel better than the other 9 classes
@@CrossRetro I feel like dk at minimum should just get like an extra 10 crap cards thrown into their class so they dont always discover exactly what they need.
@@jesuschrist9677 Or not being able to grab cards with more sigils than that are in the starting deck. Why they thought my Frost Dk should get a Blood Boil off of their discover boggles
The infinite outcast generation minion was the dumbest print I've seen in a while, like WTF were they even thinking to put that in the game??
Wait until past Tarrant hears DK emotes
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Rarran woke up and thought "Like hell I'll only make 30 dollar on this video, let's just watch it and make a video about it" 🤣
With the content during darkmoon you were just a youtuber who did normal videos nothing crazy but your humor and new content stuff really made your newself
I enjoy every class in hearthstone. But DH is the one class I’ve always tried SO HARD to enjoy, but I just can never enjoy it. Whether it’s meta decks, off meta decks, homebrew, etc. I just never had fun with it. That’s why I also hate it when DH is at the top of the meta, because that means I have to play the class if I want to get to legend easily that month.
I usually don’t mind facing off against DH(except combo DH), but I just hate playing it.
It’s the only class I don’t bother getting at least 500 wins with.
Awe that old intro brought back so much nostalgia
Demon hunter is okay as long as you just focus on surviving, to me mage is way more unfair because of the ridiculous damage they can do in one turn, also they can get as much armor as needed with a small minion, so you can't play too aggressive or play too slow and even then you got bad luck if they had a good starting hand.
Can't hate on Demon Hunter rn with Pure Paladin haunting my ladder experience right now.
demonhunter is just ultra aggro that plays their entire deck in 2 turns.
I think the issue with Demon Hunter is that it does not present a deckbuilding challenge in any way, in a game that is arguably about deckbuilding at its core. As you reiterated in this video, every other class identity is at least partially defined by a weakness, something it either can't do well or not at all. (Not sure about DK on this, since I haven't played HS in a while). The challenge (and arguably the fun) of building and playing a deck then comes from either overcoming that weakness, compensating for it with some sort of workaround or just straight up ignoring it, focusing on your classes strengths, accepting your unfavourable matchups and preying on other prevalent decks to increase your overall winrate.
However, with Demon Hunter it seems to me like you always just want to netdeck. Pick the flavour-of-the-month demon hunter synergy and just run the most optimal deck list for it. Sure, you can try to play off-meta or maybe try last months flavour, but in all likelihood you will end up just playing a self-imposed worse version of the decklist you could be playing.
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Demon hunter in wild is great because no one under top 200 can play the only good dh deck (questline outcast ft. tony) correctly
11:20 DK has the same issue 😔
i have dusted every demon hunter card ive ever opened
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i think discover as a keyword needs to be reworked to just search your own deck. The amount of times opponents find the PERFECT card that didnt even start in thier deck makes it feel like, im playing a casino game where nothing but who high rolls harder wins.
evil draws close
I uninstalled HS twice, when Reno and when DH launched
I mean i just dropped the game on DH release and came back at sunken city. So i don't even know what're you talking about. For me DH style-wise feels weird, but things like relic DH were kinda fun. Warrior identity nowadays is a lot more concerning than DH.
So it just has to be trauma. Like shudderwock shaman for me.
I share the exact same feeling. I disenchant every DH card in spite cause i hate that class so much
Thanks for the vid, the way you describe DH matches perfectly the way on how i feel about Druid, usually there are some ok losses and some bad losses, but Druid makes me feel the worst, not even to mention they are the most annoying class in WoW lore, dumb mechanics (bigger & bigger man or brain-dead armor combos), also the ones that most BM
I think in the end the class you hate the most might be all about personallity and specific situations along your play history
Maybe Rarran has to play more wild, then he'd develop an aversion to Mage and Shaman instead.
I dont like demon hunter because I feel like its more rng dependent than other classes. They either dont do anything at all until you kill them or do the most broken shit and you cant do anything against it, whether youre playing aggro or control.
Lol! While watching this video my opponent turn 1'ed me with 4/6 worth of stats. He coined Wayward Sage into 3 more one drops. 😂😭
Man Outcast DH is so fun though
Well I love that original video I saw and still see nothing wrong with it and no reason to criticize old Rarran he's the best
Death Knight is my Demon Hunter
Same goes for Death Knight I guess.
But the most annoying classes are always Priest, Mage, Roge, and Warlock.
I'm also at Diamond 5 right now and did not face any DH or DK at all since days. Only Mage and sometimes Hunter or Paladin. Also zero Rogues and Shamans on my ladder the last 3 days.
Okay, but to be fair Rarran Classic should have a chance to respond to current Rarran’s video before I will make any judgement.
me playing demon hunter while watching this vid...
Demon hunter what are you?
Im hunter but we need to go face-r
I don't mind DH. I honestly just hate whatever class has the annoying flavor of the week at any given time.
I find it odd for one to hate demon hunter. When there is nonsense like druid and priest. Control revival priest made me wanna rip body bits off
Bro I was sooo hyped about Demon Hunter, when it was about to come out (of the closet). I knew it was going to be crazy aggressive and totally broken, but still, it was a new class, first in SIX YEARS!!! I felt like "Hearthstone isn't dead yet!". Was this a piece of shit? Yeah! Even me, who enjoyed Kael'Thas OTK deck was like "what is this pile of crap? It's broken". But I don't feel like DH should be the most anticipated one. This game still has Druids, Paladins and Priests. Druids are ridiculous. My relationships with this class is absolutely hilarious. I can play them and enjoy the experience only when the druid is like bottom tier. When class is SLIGHTLY better than bottom it already feels like I'm committing war crimes. Paladins are different. Most of the time this class is incredibly boring and not really good at anything. But when it gets just a few good cards it becomes a freaking nightmare. It's always something absolutely aggressive and has no potential brain power behind it's gameplay. Like I have a legitimate meme "smartest paladin player" which means "playing against incredibly stupid player, that makes a tonne of unbelievably bad mistakes, but still wins the game, cause his deck value is ridiculous". Nearly there stands a kid named Priest. Back in the day this class was my personal nightmare. The idea of that class is so stupid, that it actually freaked me out. It's originally a fully control class, that is good ONLY versus control archetype. Control is my favourite game archetype, and I like the idea, that it's strictly following the pattern of beating aggro, sucking to midrange and winning mirror matches by getting better value. Priest, historically, was trash against both aggro and midrange, but was destroying any control deck. Nowadays, priest still has one of the nastiest control archetypes in the game, but it also has it's own mid and even aggro archetypes. Priest become normal, more or less (still is a nightmare of wild). Overall, I think present day meta is mostly fine. I wanna trim paladins a bit, cause the amount of their yellow bubbles is ridiculous. Wouldn't mind to cut some of the druid cards even more. Priest is fine, let him be. And finally, speaking of demon hunter, I think we lack some kind of control archetype for this class, that is going to make dh sit on his ass a bit, instead of charging into battle on first five turns
Tbh I feel like Warlock is better at healing themselves than priest is
The class was a mistake to begin with and old HS we all loved basically died with its introduction
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I feel like demon hunter’s better then shaman at least. I cannot think of a time where shaman had a good deck and the meta wasn’t terrible
They really wanted to make the most broken class in the game to show how much they suck at balancing their game. They did it way better than expected in that regard.
I actually mained DH when it first came out and I still love it to this day. That being said, yeah, the class was freaking *broken* and even now has a lot of downright cheap strategies
I've disenchanted all of my cards except Warlock and Rogue, only played with these 2 classes because the others are super corrupt in some ways which makes me really unhappy with any support I've given to the Blizzard.
what???
@@Rikhard9 what what little kid with an anime avatar?
Rarren upset that he only got $30 for his video so he reposted to get an additional $30
Mage or priest is a worst class by farm , even shaman and Dh not that bad
yo i remember that vid lol
Rarran, I love your content, but if you say one more hateful thing about Demon Hunter while crying that Guff is no longer in standard, I will choke-slam you into a "Hearthsotne player rates Chaotic cards" video
Yeah, youve gotten better at making content. And you did a really good video then.
Demon hunter is what contributed to me quitting the game.
Just play wild,barely any demon hunters there
I don't know where you guys are playing, but I can't stand pally right now. Bless the nerfs (also bye Stheno)
Demon Hunter should basically have no indirect removal. They should be like Druid but forced to bump their face into things to get rid of them.
recycling content i see
stoped playing hearthstone on demonhunter expansion. too much bullshit.
for me, demon hunter killed hearthstone.
I think the demon aesthetic is so 14 year old edgelord it's just too cringe to play.
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