WARRIOR IS BACK!* Control Warrior feat. Odyn Win Condition! | TITANS Early Gameplay
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- This is early access gameplay from the invite only theorycraft stream. As always all decks had the restriction/requirement of including at least a certain number of TITANS cards so the decks you see are probably not in their most optimal form!
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"We don't need tempo!"
It's like watching a Greek tragedy.
He managed to forget that Boomsday control warrior was strong because it had the most obscene tempo cards at the time.
Trump: Control always loses to aggro at the start of an expansion right?
*Proceeds to lose to Combo and Midrange as well*
Indeed, control warrior was the _first_ deck Trump decides to try. I would have it no other way!
I thought Warlock was his main
@@roslolian11 His main is Paladin because button.
My guess was "Value Rogue #53" but control warrior is cool too
At least this one takes 42 minutes instead of regular 1 hour
@@roslolian11 believe he has mentioned before it is his favourite class, but specifically a handlock style! Tap tap
When he said "There's no need for tempo" I knew exactly what the next 40 minutes would be like
At least he didn't put in Murloc Holmes
But it's why we are all here xD
DON'T REMIND HIM. Thank you.
Must i remind you of Highlander with 2 copies of Hyena?
but the holy spell dude instead
Please, don't give him ideas. 😅
I’m really grateful for Trump. He plays the decks I would play so I don’t waste time and money getting annoyed at losing to quality gameplay like Mage’s 0 mana pyroblasts, or Demon Hunter being the new jade Druid, or w/e the fuck Hunter does now
He truly is a blessing and a time savior to all of us
I’m really grateful for Trump. He plays Hearthstone so I don't waste time and money playing the game.
Demon Hunter is Turbo Jade Druid now ❤
@@monkaeyes3417If you feel like you wasted money on hearthstone that’s your problem, I’m playing it completely f2p and it’s totally possible
@@Icetea-2000 uggh its a joke bro calm down i'm not doing this today.
Trump: "I run a simulation, and my control deck outvalues that, and have better inevitability"
*Inevitability of trump's deck - 2 attack every turn from the hero power*
*Inevitability of opponent's deck - dozen of inexhaustable curses that not only deal damage, but also leech life, brake combos with increased cost, and summon tons of free minions*
Trump: "The risk i took was calculated, but man, am i bad at math" :D
Remember the scene from The Simpsons where they're auctioning off guys for a date night and Moe Szyslak is the last one to go on stage? He walks up all confident like, all the women stare daggers through him, and without stopping he walks directly to the 'Rejects' area? Yeah... that's Control Warrior... again.
23:15 big steps Trump!! Taking out renathal all on your own, we're proud of you
The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem, he's getting there!
I think it would be more impressive to see trump comments see the benefits of renethal even just once
@@Icetea-2000 at this point it's just a meme
@@Icetea-2000+5 health in a deck that's designed around getting armor, which forced him to put value cards without synergy in the deck. Yeah no renathal is a meme here.
If only there a way remove the 10 worst cards from this deck, even if it cost a completely paltry 5 health.
Unfortunately, I can't possibly think of any way every 40 card deck could be easily improved upon.
Back in my days control decks would like to have 10 more cards, just to postpone fatigue a bit further.
He found a way about halfway through the video!
@@НиколайТрофимов-р9у well it ain't your day any more old man
@@НиколайТрофимов-р9уfatigue isn't a real thing when you die in turn 5 against midrange or even combo.
@@HackionSTx back in my time there wasn't such a thing as turn five combo)
But two control warrior decks, fighting each other until fatigue was pretty common)
Turn 8 Odin
Still worse than HP Druid
And even druid can't win with inevitability it needs actual wincons on top of hero power lol
I’m genuinely stunned that Trump decided to cut the 3 mana 3/3 “Draw a spell I put into my deck to help draw removal more consistently” over the 2 mana 2/3 “add a random spell with little synergy to my class to my hand”
The 6 healing is not worth that much lmao.
at least not for warrior. Maybe in something like burgle rogue, where healing AND random spell generation is premium.
it might be nice to have in mage for just the spell school, doubt the healing will be useful much but still
trump overrated so much this card
4:32 "really good first showcase game for the deck"
*little did he know how right he was*
"WARRIOR IS BACK" Proceedes to loose 5 games in a row
back as it ever was
Too many fair cards in the deck.
You lose to your opponent doing unfair things
Ie:
6 mana malygos
0 mana summon 4 14-14s
Etc
Lose*
hey spoilers!!! no actually nvm it was fairly obvious
classic trump
This deck would have been awesome 8 years ago.
so would the majority of decks today. the powercreep is real
@@andytheaardvark1no shit it is, no one claims otherwise and it’s also not always a problem. This isn’t some kind of revelation
@@Icetea-2000cope
@@ReaLEthA About what? That powercreep is there?
@@Icetea-2000cope
Warrior still really struggles with board clear huh. The deck completely folded after just two boards (and one of them not even that big) from the mage.
I mean he fumbled the clear on windfury and didn't draw either brawl so...
Shield shatter should be in core
@@phoenix6890 He still lost to big boards in the other games he played. Bellowing Flames was great, but loses effectiveness in the late game. That's fine for a three/five mana card but that means the deck is fully reliant on Brawl to clear late game boards. Trial by Fire is supposed to be the deck's other late game board clear but we see it match up incredibly poorly against late-game boards.
@@bclxprss I agree, but I was only talking about the mage game. The video clearly shows the deck failing against other decks. I just think he had a pretty decent matchup into the spellpower mage deck if his draws and plays weren't the literal lowest percentile win % odds.
he couldn't have played the mage game worse
It's gonna be real funny (and real sad), if even after all this love Control Warrior still sucks.
During its resurgence in Sunken City, Control Warrior was heavily reliant on Frozen Buckler into Shield Shatter to wipe out early game boards. Brawl and Kodohide Drumkit come online on Turn 5, which might be too late against swarm decks. They also don't have a good light AoE without Rancor. Sunfury Champion and Jam Session are much better in Enrage Warrior, and Bladestorm isn't good enough anymore. Maybe Bellowing Flames is enough to bridge the gap to the mid-game, but you need to have it by Turn 2 so that it can be Forged.
@@matthewmazzatto8003Good points. I would add it’s possible Trump’s initial ideas for Control Warrior might simply need tinkering in order to be effective, but I also think more players need to do testing to determine how fast/slow the meta will play on release. As you said, if enough decks are able to out-pace Warrior, their new control tools will lose a lot of value because it’s simply too slow to be impactful in too many different matchups.
I haven't played this game in a long time, but Jade Druid still haunts me.
Haunting relic.
"There's no rush" "Shows Remornia, Living Blade which has rush"
Holy poggers, warrior looks so promising! Can't wait to spend all my dust to craft control warrior and dominate the ladder!
“There is nothing demon hunter can do to beat us” (I’m guessing he losses). Ah yes I was correct.
To be fair, this deck was really poorly made
31:56 drawing was correct. By burning cards every turn you're immune to curses and the oponent was allready out attrioned and could only win by curses.
Used this strategy to beat curse lock and they can atleast hold their curses and not get them burned.
I haven't played since 2019 but wanted to check out the new expansion, I don't even recognize the game anymore. Every deck you faced just did everything and somehow never ran out of resources, the hell happened to Hearthstone?
It’s both funny and sad how that deathknight had more aggro and value than the dedicated warrior control deck
Poor Trump, i also miss the days of control warrior. Control Deathknight just doesnt feel good to play against
ETC seems good not only for getting rid of baron's DR but also for getting rid of plagues if you want to put a steamcleaner in ETC :)
Controll warrior is back guys!
First game: Overeducated mage. I will crush this mage. Loses. Sure controll loses to combo.
Second game: Relic DH. DH has nothing on this deck. DH ends game with 15/15 relic summons.
Third game: Aggro hunter. Aggro has no chance against this deck. Loses by turn 8.
Fourth game: Plague DK. I have already run the simulation in my head, my inevitability is better. DK wins on full health.
Yeah controll warrior is back. At the bottom.
I think the biggest problem is the exclusion if the riff package. The 1 mana help early aggresion nd is a 1 mana gain 4 attack late. The 3 mana helps you get odyn as it pulls only minions also its nice on the mintaur. And the 5 mana is just nice rush removal plus taunt in the way.
Also for extra boardwipe bladestorm may be potentally worth running. Rn its just missing removal cards.
Really hope trump is gonna give it another shot and sees this comment.
Classic start to a new expansion
It just variance! XD
it's March of the Lich King and every deck runs Astalor. It's Festival of Legends and every deck runs Astalor. It's TITANS and every deck runs Astalor. I'm so tired.
Its a fairly honest card and extremely easy to play around. I'd much rather every control deck has an Astalor instead of Sylvanus like in classic, where she was played for nearly 5 years straight.
Our gift of fire empowers us!
@@bryanxo2489yeah fairly honest card that does literally everything and can slot into any deck, surely healthy for the game
@@rajkanishu Its like Zilliax was in Boomsday. Its strong, sure, but its not really unfair and doesnt single handedly win games. 14 damage is really not that much if you have any board. Also you see it coming when they play the 2 Mana and can try to disrupt, it doesnt come down in a single turn out of nowhere....And there is no Brann shenanigans. Only Shaman could double the bc with Bolner but they dont because that deck is just not good anymore.
@@Devilfish6666 "really unfair and doesnt single handedly win games"
my brother in christ if it didnt win games it wouldnt be in the decks
" 14 damage is really not that much if you have any board. "
Tell that to my dead board or opponent. lmao if u think 14 damage is not alot idk what to tell you that card is deceptively op
i feel like even AFTER trump removed the fucking renethal he's playing it wrong. he's missing so many of the armor cards, is the win condition of this deck not to combo into a giant otk? instead he puts in the thing that gives you a HOLY card? lol
the win condition of this deck is not combo into giant otk because this is a control deck, not a combo deck, you can try to save the armor cards for an OTK turn but you are going to die before then
@@rajkanishu what i mean is it SHOULD be a combo deck, he's just falling behind on board because he's thrown in the combo tools without any support and so now he can't control OR combo
W/e Trump's mid. Nice memes though.
I don’t know what any of the full art cards do, and at this point I’m too afraid to ask
Edit: I mean I can’t read them or don’t recognize them, so I’m not sure what the cards do when they’re played
Signature cards? They're just another versions of cards.
they don't do anythiing different than a regular card, and you can hover over them to read the regular text. they are just a fancy cosmetic.
I agree with you, they dont even provide the text on play which is annoying for viewers
@@superwatcher456i was thinking the same. It's an awful design decision for viewers. The text should be displayed on screen when the card is played (at least to the side?)
Remeber when the HS team said warrior was getting a lot of good stuff then after it was all released they said "told ya" then this happens?
Good ol warrior.
If Trump randomly conceded there instead of adjusting his audio settings, that would've been so funny 😂
Hello Trump, how are you? I love watching your videos. I’ve been a subscriber since 2015. Can you please increase the master volume in your videos just like in your previous videos I have to tell you the balance between your voice and the game sound effects is important especially with these new revealed cards. We would love to hear the voice acting and the attack sounds for them. Thank you so much.
I hate how signature cards have no text on them. Zero clarity
It seems to me that even if odin effect is the most broken among all titan's ones, other classes r just better than warrior, a lot of nonsense combo, giant minion with an insanely low amount of mana, crazy card draw everywhere O_O. DH and DK r OP as fuck
Trial by fire seems really bad, they should have made it 6 1/1s, then it'd be playable.
I can see it being great in enrage/Fire warrior
I think it's meant to work with anima extractor.
@@bl00dleter having to wait until 7 mana is pretty rough for anima extractor, or 9 to guarantee it goes off, I don't think enrage warrior wants to wait that long to buff minions
Yeah, very often it's a worse Flamestrike.
@@Nighthawk20000you absolutely can wait that long. that’s when you have the mana to combo massive extractor buffs onto your finisher minions
You could slim the deck all the way to 10 cards and Trump would still refuse to give up Kodohide Drumkit.
Not having an etc in the deck is already a huge error. steam cleaner single handedly beats that plague dh.
Just put in cleaner at that point
Also beats the horsemen
Relic DH is literally just Jade druid 2.0 lmao how is this game not dead yet
If they don't nerf secret mage soon, it will be
I see mage is still fun and interactive, he probably got more armor during that game than Trump did
This deck really needed Black Rock and Roll as well as maybe Lothramar. You can then finish things off with a 10/10 rush, gain 10 armor and hit face
As well as Naga giant. It might be a pipe dream but lava gorgering into it for 20 armor and 20 attack would feel so good
@@AMageOldAsDirt I don't recommend that as you won't get Odyn from the Taunt legendary
Even more 5 and 7 mana stuff that does nothing on board? Seems to slow in the current meta. Warrior needs more AoE tools nowadays.
@@Zenbubbles nah this build is incredibly unoptimized, a decent control warrior will exist that can afford blackrock n roll
@@rajkanishu A decent control warrior will probably exist with BlackRock n roll, but the Odin/armor has to be cut.
1:20 I thought that was an immediate "gg go next" in the control matchup
I dont think the control tools are there yet for this deck to be good. The riff package might help, but it might be hard to get the finale off consistently with so many expensive and situational cards in the deck. We'll see.
if control warrior can't beat mage of all classes, and it has historically beaten mage, seems like a bad time for warrior mains
I am so sad after watching this:(
"Control warrior is back!"
Proceeds to have 100% loss in the matches
1st match: Immediate "I will crush you" bm emote
2nd match: "Good news is there's nothing from DH that could possibly beat us"
3rd match: "Control warrior is traditionally good against this deck"...
*Goes 0-4* 🤣
What kind of value/control deck does not feature: Steamcleaner ... Dirty Rat ... Disruptive Spellbreaker and Frightened Flunky and the Mech package with Zilliax and ... okay yes, play 10 cards from the new set ... but this deck is terrible.
there is a good control warrior deck, but this isn't it.
Watcher of the Sun is useless for control warrior. A random holy spell is meh on average for warrior, and you have to pay 2 extra mana to heal, which warriors don't really want they rather have armor.
Really how control warrior doesn't have removal spell its problem trump made deck with trash cards priest have triple mass remove spell and warrior only have brawl 😂
Trump & Jens are really good content creators. I keep coming back to these videos even though I really don't care for blizzard and Have not played hearthstone in years.
Am I just whining or does the Titans board look kinda bland and barren compared to previous ones?
Ah. A 100% lose control deck from Trump. I was looking forward for that. 😁
I’m doing 1000 calculations per second! … and they are all wrong
- Trump playing control warrior
Its not Clickbait! Warrior is really back.....back to sucking that is!
That was rough but I admit that death knight deck looks super fun. Do we think this deck needs blackrock and roll? Or is it just too weak compared to everybody else?
Maybe? I’m not sold, however. In a Renathal deck, it’s possible you might not draw it and if you’re running a 30-card control deck, it’s likely you are going to be playing a lot of spells like Brawl, thus reducing the value of Blackrock n’ Roll because it’s hitting less minions. You’re probably going to want to play it on turn five, but it’s still a 5-cost, do-nothing-that-turn play and while that *can* be fine for control decks, I’m wondering if it might be too slow even for this meta. To be clear: I could be entirely wrong and I’m simply speculating/tossing out ideas. It could be great in Control Warrior, but maybe in a more board-centric/minion-centric deck. Testing is definitely needed.
@@TheTouristArrives I think Blackrock n’ Roll is simply superior to Odin, its fun seeing how many people were saying Odin will be broken but last expansions "Weak" card being better then it. Opinion? (I'm basing my opinion of Odin solely by this video)
@@DinantZ I mean black rock n rolls problem was you couldn't reliably draw it. That was fixed. This 8 mana do nothing card in a deck that does nothing doesn't seem like a solid game plan. It's a card that has a nice effect but it isn't game winning by itself unlike mograine for example.
@@ruukinen Yep, kinda like the way trump rated defile back then and got joked on, back then he was mostly correct, but next expansion onwards, it got good. Honestly I even see the ability of blackrock... as better than Odin. It lets you do the hydra thing that attacks 3 things for 18.
@@DinantZ I've been playing a lot of blood dk control and from my experience doubling the stats of your minions has a higher win percentage than Morgraine. So yeah black rock and roll is a lot better than Odin, especially now that you can tutor for it.
“There’s no need for tempo”
Ah shit, here we go again
I enjoy the gameplay, but I cringe at the terrible plays Trump makes in game 1. It was hard to watch. lol
i don't understand why that dk skin says "tick tock little death knight". SHE'S THE DEATH KNIGHT, i don't get it
I just assumed she was chiding herself?
Three things never change in Hearthstone : Blizzard trying to make you buy packs, players complaining about the game being rigged and Trump going wild with his experimental greedy decks.
trump lose streaking at bronze 10 xD
LETS CONTROLLL
"Warrior is back" = Lost every game lol
Warrior is back.....back in the trash😂.
Warrior is back!(It isn't tho)
Odyn is good card. But other decks are just too fast.
it's hard to watch
I used to love CW so much
And now it's the weakest deck there's is :(
Both brawl and 7 mana removal are so bad
Please help the warrior blizzard 🙏
I played a ton of Freeze Mage for the first couple years of HS. Has there been a worse matchup than Freeze Mage losing to Control Warrior in the last decade? Not counting day one Demon Hunter… maybe? If there is I’m not aware of it.
Freeze Mage was a pretty decent deck for early Hearthstone. I hit my first Legend with it, in spite of all the Warriors. It was a simpler game then.
@@jluchette Yeah, I can imagine how frustrating it was a Freeze Mage. But all I want is a game where I destoy my opponenet's aggresion and then win with fatige damage and like 70 armour
Thanks for crushing my hopes for control warrior
I'm going to be experimenting with the archetype no matter what. I feel like it needs more of an OTK angle with Dredge and Finley, and might just need a chunk of the Enrage package for handbuffs on Remornia. My hype isn't dead yet!
I was watching Clark stream when he was playing that DH, you lost from the start
Trump you are a great player but a terrible deckbuidler.
Not a great player either tbh
I saw a lot of streamers dominating with Odyn Warrior. They were...not using a deck list like Trump's.
What did their list have/not have that trumps did/didnt?
@shazam1205 Trump's list doesn't have the 1/3 Quilboar, or Shield Slam, or Bash, or the Riffs (one of which gains armor). Also the 8 mana 5/8 which gains armor. I guess Trump's list is just missing a lot of armor gain cards. Those seem important.
Appropriately casting Tyr's Tears while yelling "I'm crying"
damn, maybe blackrock warrior is better
In wild I’m already imagining
Skipper+Smith+Razorfeng+ Sulthraze. Clear 3 big minions and smack your opponents face for like 50+ damage in one turn
Pros: this
Cons: you have to play 8 mana 8/8 do nothing
There’s no hope for warrior in standard anymore
Did Blizzard not learn from Jade Druid Jade Druid was one of the most hated decks ever and now they just repeat that with Relic DH. And ofc plague dk is not used as a control deck I never saw a faster shuffle shit into your opponents deck in my whole life. I thought Trump could make control work again but looks like Titans don´t really help control
Silly Trump. Control Warrior can't exist anymore because there's no such thing as being out of value. Every deck can just generate infinite cards
"What could I cut out from my control deck"
"A minion that draws you removal or fire spells for thori and reduces there cost"
"A 2/3 that requires you to spend 4 mana to gain a random holy spell and restore 6 health in a deck made with the idea of gaining a bunch of armor in the first place"
Huh just got back from vacation. Based on these games my enthusiasm to try out the new expansion has dampened quite a bit, being a control player...
Some slack for Trump: He is required to put a certain number of cards from the new expansion into his deck so he can’t make it the best way he wants
That’s not true, where did you get that idea
@@Haunterthe1st He always says it for early gameplay videos. He usually says talks about how he can’t make the adjustments he wants because they require a certain number of cards from the new expansion during these early access events. Go back through the last few expansions and im sure you’ll find him saying it
@@simpletora7313 I’m retarded, it’s in description. I apologize.
@@Haunterthe1st It's also been the rules since hearthstone started having early showcase of cards with streamers. A cool 10 years.
@@Haunterthe1st I didn’t even check the description for this video lol, would’ve been easier to reply with that than my wall of text
i havent played Hearthstone in a long time and was thinking about coming back for this expansion. and this is what i see at rank 10? i know trump is in the legendary bracket so his opponents will be better than mine but still, this is rank 10. i have no chance.
In fact Trump, control decks lose to everything. They can't even beat aggro anymore there's so much cheap reload and card draw and buffs out there
I hate the new slow motion when playing cards, its like animations didnt already take enough time. Really hurts apm, hope they fix this stupid thing, it makes the game feel so sluggish.
It's the classic my 40 card precon deck can't beat yours because the developers decide exactly how each game will go so you don't have to!
Please don't nerf Control Warrior. I'm tired of week one nerfs and they better allows this archetype to stick around.
You getting hit with the "Throw back expensive cards" tutorial at the start was incredibly hilarious
I love Trump, but man I really hate how every turn is a rope as he slowly does what we all know he's going to do
First Trump video I've watched of Trump for a while - he is just a meme now i guess
i don't know how to beat the diablotins taunt of sargeras warlock , i feel like control warlock is the best control right now
Any idea what Trump's shirt is expressing love for?
Would love to see Trump playing the paladin bigger and bigger men deck.
"Good thing demon hunter doesnt have something to kill us" rip trump 2023
Trump you been MIA man what’s happening!? 😢
Oh, Trump. I admire your dedication to value over winning.
The asterisk explaining that it is a quote from Trump about this video is gold lmaooo
Personally I think the build is still a bit bad. I feel like ETC is a must here