Did this on a 2014 outback @ 150k, fluid was very dark. Dropped the pan also to make sure no damage was laying in it. The magnet in the pan had the normal break-in metal on it, not excessive so I cleaned it an left the filter alone. Sealed the pan back up with The Right Stuff gasket maker and measured the amount I got out. Got 6 quarts out. Ran 1/2 x 5/8 clear tubing down from the master cylinder area into the fill hole and put 4 quarts in. Started it and ran through the gears and let run till cooling fans came on. It took 2 more quarts till it started to run out. Job done. I used Amalie Universal CVT Synthetic Fluid. Still running fine after 4 months. Simple job.
This video is, without a doubt, the best one out there on this topic. I followed it to the letter on my 2012 Subaru Impreza with 80K miles on the odometer. With the vehicle completely level and with a sat for a day cold engine, I was able to fill with a transfer pump precisely 5.5 qt. using a graduated pitcher for measurement and at the correct transmission temperature. Interestingly, precisely 6.5 qt. was drained at the begininning of the process. Following the procedure, with all factors pre and post exactly the same, including ambient temperature, fuel manufacturer type and volume, tire PSI, cargo weight, roads driven...well, you get the picture, the vehicle is noticeably more responsive and fuel economy has increased by an averagae of 0.8 MPG. In 2012 the claim was that this was a lifetime fluid. The transmission has a 100K mile warranty. I'm speculating that the CVT was intentionally overfilled at the factory by precisely 1 qt. in order to provide greater dilutional volume to insure it would make it past the warranty period before it started to show problems.
Hi.. Greeting from Malaysia.. Same happen to my 2017 wrx S4(mine is TR690-replaced with high torque cvt fluid).. Lacking about 0.5-0.7L of fluid when I do drain and refill... How is your transmission doing currently? Is there any issue?
Just completed this service on my 2013 Impreza. Fluid was dark but not burned at 62k. Needed a 3 ft pipe to get fill plug out. Drained about 6 quarts and only got back in about 4 3/4. Overfilled like a champ from the factory as this was the first time it’s been touched. Shifts smooth as butter. Excellent write up sir!
A slight correction. This morning I ran the car for about 10 minutes then was able to add another quart. Still was overfilled from the factory but not as much as originally thought.
This was incredibly helpful! Thank you for not skipping over anything and going over common issues that might occur. Your camera angles were awesome and we really could see everything, it definitely inspired confidence. Good luck with everything!
So this and you other vid answered so many questions I had about this "lifetime fluid". I refuse to pay a dealership when I have the skill to do this myself now that you have shown me the way. Subbed just because I want to see what you will teach me next.
Brendan Casey Check out his other videos about it. I personally don’t plan to change mine under warranty, so thinking around 105k and then every 60k after.
@@theofficialwizard2753 I looked at my owner's manual, and it said you have to replace it depending on uncontrolled variables, like environmental severe conditions and driving style. Factually, when two CVT Fluid samples were compared, one at 60,000 miles versus a fresh one, concluded the additional presence of iron, aluminum and silicon, contaminant elements resulting of a normal mechanical tear and wear. The oil specs did not change that much, except a bit of the reduction of the Boron element, the metal healing factor. So, preventive maintenance when done right is a great thing, cause we are replacing the CVTF strainer which cought some of the contaminants and replaced a good percentage of the CVTF getting rid of the contaminants that are kept free and loose thanks to the presence of Calcium in the CVTF. I would add that it is important to replace with the CVTF recommended by OEM, cause of the oil viscosity, and the special secret additives which covers the required needed Friction balanced with the oil detergent and antioxidant elements.
When you pull the pan what your seeing is a screen, not a filter. The filter is actually internal and requires removal and breaking open the tranny. Subaru screwed the pooch on this.
By the way, you are incredible in the way you explain each detail. On how to proceed on the project and what cautions to take. You have outstanding videos that I love and you are One A Top notch guy and mechanic that we are blessed to have! Stay Safe and keep them coming.
Thank you, nice video. I appreciate how you used jack stands rather than a lift as a shop might use. Seeing as many who do this DIY will not have a lift!
I just did this on my 2013 Crosstrek Limited! I forgot your hint, about only cracking the fill plug loose and not removing before I removed the drain plug. I freaked out 😳 when fluid came gushing out the fill plug. I thought I opened the wrong plug completely by mistake until I rewatched your video and realized where I went wrong!
@@codys4552 Fill will come out in a gush if it's on a cold engine. Don't forget at the fill hole only accepts near 4 quarts even though 5.5 quarts came out. Then you turn on the engine to let it circulate and it'll accept more when engine running.
Great directions! They worked very well for a 2013 impreza since it is almost the same vehicle. Because I only had one weekend to do this and there was no Subaru dealer within 2 hours of me, plus the car was high mileage, I used Red Line Non-slip CVT fluid which I was able to buy on Amazon and have it there in time. I have 6,000 miles on it since then and I really like it. I smile every time I drive it because it is so much better. More power, less slip, and cruises at a slightly lower rpm. This Red Line says it is for metal-belt CVT transmissions and it lists the TR580 and most other Subaru cvt's. It appears what you want to avoid is CVT fluid that says it is for both rubber and metal belts. Don't know if this is true but I get the feeling the Subaru fluid is great for slowing wear, but if you already have a worn trans then maybe the Non-Slip fluid is a better choice?
Thanks for the video. I am not a Subaru mechanic, however as a former boat mechanic, I would use a boat gear case filler to fill transmissions, transfer cases, differential, etc. that are in a difficult location to fill. You can pick up a small gear case filler at a boatyard or marine supplier. They fit into a quart bottle and have a pump and hose to reach tight places. Hopefully this is helpful info. Have a great day and be safe.
Engineers say fluid lasts life of the transmission so I’ll not care if they want Subaru fluid they don’t make. I run amsoil in my suburu transmissions with no issues whatsoever up to 247,000 miles. Your jackstand advice is what all people should be taught when young.
thank's for your video, very helpfull. Also I like to share that I replace my TR580 on my subaru forester 2.0 2013, with Amalie CVT syntethic fluid and worked very good. I write this after 6000 miles using Amalie CVT. My car had 65.000 miles aprox when I changed. thanks again for your video. help a lot specially to get the right full oil level.
One word of advice, get the Mac tools rbrt 8mm hex socket. I started with a traditional hex socket, which ended up stripping out the hex on the fill plug. The fill plug was very tight, if I had used the rbrt, it would not have happened. Ended up using a bolt extractor to remove the stupid fill plug and got a new fill plug from Subaru. I did the dif fluid at the same time, that fill plug was just plain stupid tight. I used the rbrt hex for that, and it didn’t strip out. If you look very closely at the video, he uses and rbrt hex socket.
Just did this on my 2014 Forester. Thanks for the video and information. Got 6.2 out and 5.5 back in, temp was within range. Felt more responsive when driving, hopefully not the placebo effect
That's close to what another Subaru tech recommended as well. He said after 60k/90k whenever your warranty ends, then trans drain and fill every 30k after that because of the amount that we can't get to that's still in there that dirties up the new stuff. I think that's a great rule of thumb you posted considering a new transmission is over $7k now.
Thanks a lot for all of that, i just did my tr580 in my '13 outback, I got 6.5-7 qts out but it only took 5.75 or so in, doubt it was overfilled (maybe it was?) from the factory so I'm waiting for it to cool down to the low range to try and see if it'll take more... **update- yeah weird at 105 degrees and 90000 miles my fluid was in pretty good shape except for the darkened color, only took about 5.75 qts to fill, going to run it a few hundred miles and do it again. I used a Quickjack to lift the vehicle and with the left front wheel off I had plenty of room to use bottles direct in there with a Supertech trans fill tube from wally world, it has a valve to open and close it, one of the best $5 tools ever; total cost of job with 2 drain/fills and new gaskets $175 with very little waste/mess** recommendation-fill at the low range of the temperature, so it'll take more fluid, if you fill it at the high end of the range, it will take slightly less, aka, 'you gotta be quicker than that' haha! I'm a big fan of by-the-book info, but also take educated variance, I used a thermal laser to check temps at the bottom of the pan and feel like it is accurate enough. Thanks again from NC!
Yeah I agree fill in early around 75 degrees and then do a check at 95 degree. The first time I did it. I got in 5.5 then let it stream out out and 0.5 came out from stream (So in all 5 quarts_, but then when I check the temp it was at 125 since my scan tool disconnected from my phone( This time put the ActiveOBD in OBDlink Mx+ mode and not bluetooth. This time it did not disconnect. So had to wait til next morning to do the fill and check. This time filled it til 5.3-5.4 and then a few drips and checked it at 95 degrees the first time when plugged hole it was at 113 degrees. Keep track of how much came out from the stream til it drips.
If you have a 2022 Outback, there is an exhaust pipe right in your way. I had a suction gun with a tube that I was using to fill it. I figured out that with enough extensions, you can get the plug out from the driver's side wheel well. If you cut the handle off a golf club, you can attach it to the tube and fill it from there too. Made it way easier since I am hoistless.
Love your videos. I feel you and Diesel Tech Ron have the best videos on car repair on TH-cam. Wish Ron was still with us. I have searched your videos for diagnostic of a Subaru Impreza (2015) with the TR580. Started shifting strange from 1st to 2nd (after warmed up). holds RPM until about 3k then drops rpm to 1,500 while shifting, which makes for a rough transition from 1st to 2nd. last time I dis a flush and fill on the CVT was 50k ago. valve body was replaced by dealer at 60k. Car has 170k on it now. If you've done a video around this issue I'd love to watch it. Thanks Again.
From what I've seen on TH-cam and discussed with the transmission service that replaced my CVT build, it's just a matter of dropping the pan to replace the filte once its been drained.
Awesome video! Im currently looking at getting my wife a 2018 outback from carmax so i am looking into all the needed maintenance and problems with the vehicles
Buenas tardes sr. Subaru.. muy agradecido con tu video de cambio de aceite, me ayudo hacer servicio a mi legacy 2014. muchas gracias por compartir tus conocimientos
Now that I have my own Crosstrek 2014 it's so dam tough to find a mechanic that knows how to do things properly. Don't get me wrong, if I did find one I don't mind paying but now to know that not even a Subaru service technician won't have enough patients to do a simple trans fluid maintenance. I'm bummed. Guess I gatta start investing into some more tools. Like they say if you want something done right, you gatta do it yourself. Thanks for this great video my crosstrek is due for this service. Its at 105k. Might just change the trans filter and replace the pan gasket!
Wanted to share/consolidate a few findings for people looking to do this on newer Crosstreks… I was considering tackling this on my high miles 2021 but have decided to take a breath: 1) At some point in recent years it appears Subaru re-routed the exhaust to the other side of the car such that it’s now directly in the way of the fill plug. Seems you’ll have to unbolt some stuff to make space. Some have mentioned plugs on the other side of the transmission but I haven’t seen any confirmation those are for the same purpose or something else. 2) As of 2020 the Crosstrek calls for Subaru CVTF-III fluid, not CVTF-II. From what I can tell that is only currently available from Subaru in 5 gallon buckets. There are a handful of places selling it by the quart online, presumably repackaging it themselves, but it’s like $35/quart. 😮 Sooooo….
Awesome video! Tip for those doing it on un-level driveway like mine. Front of car on jack stands, floor jack at rear to raise back and I used a 6" bubble level on bottom of transmission to check for being level.
Just did my ‘14 Impreza the other night. Would highly recommend doing it inside unless the weather is warm, takes forever to get the fluid warm from 46 degrees.... The oil drain plug crush washer works just fine on the CVT drain plug per my local dealer parts manager.
It's funny, I keep coming back to your videos long after you've made them. My 2014 XV Crosstrek only has 150,000 km which is just under 100,000 miles. I think that the car is now due for CVT fluid and diff fluid changes with my next oil change. I'm guessing that six litres/quarts of CVT fluid and 3 litres/quarts of 75W90 differential oil.
Thanks for the video I just bought a 2014 and the guy never touched the transmission so I'm going to attempt to change the fluid. Nice thorough video thanks again.
So the plot thickens: took the car in for a CVT fluid flush. Service rep called back that there is a hose that connects the transmission to the radiator and its leaking, thus mixing the CVT fluid into the coolant. Added Radiator flush and core flush/clean to the job. getting the 450 Dollar CVT flush estimate to $1300. I approved it but it makes me wonder how a hose leak is causing the mix. I asked the sales rep the same thing, to which he said its a line inside the radiator. So I am thinking that co called line sitting surrounded by coolant and leaking cvt fluid into the coolant is this even possible ? I need to find a good mechanic for consults and take my car there. TR580 Guys where are you
@@aarshmathur2909 The fluid is pumped through the radiator to warm it up. My co-worker had one bust on his honda and it over-flowed his coolant reservoir. Fortunatley it happened as he was pulling in his drive way.
you given me an excellent understanding about Subaru's in general and specifically to each model. their maintenance and care. I bought a 2024 Outback Wilderness and cannot find the answer as to which CVT transmission are in them, so I thought I'd ask an expert. TR580, 690 or neither of them. thanks for all the information you've provided for your viewers
Thanks for the video mate. I've been binge watching your videos, i'm interested in getting a Subaru and i want to know what i'm getting myself into. LoL
I use Aisin Subaru spec CVTFii fluid from rockauto. $9 a quart. Im going to be performing this this service every 30-36k/3yrs along with the diffs. Dont wanna go broke doing it.
Just thought I'd share that I saw a 92' legacy turbo the other day it was completely bone stock and actually had no intercooler the turbo would take in air pretty much directly from the hood scoop and throw it straight into the throttle body intake really cool EJ22 as well
Great vid, but I would like to add that there are 2 filters in this transmission. One is internal like mentioned, but there is a pan filter that is easily changed and accumulates most of the metal debris created by the transmission. There is also a pan magnet that should be cleaned as well. The best way for people to think about this is when you change your oil, you change your filter. So why would your transmission be any different. Side note: Make sure the o-ring is on the new filter when you install it, and make sure to lubricate the o-ring before installation.
I'm broke so I'm always looking for ways to save money, you mentioned that Idemitsu fluid, its literally 60% of the price of the Subaru stuff. For folks looking to save money, Idemitsu CVT Transmission Fluid Type SB2 is the one you want (To directly replace CVTF II, check your model, some take III and some take a weird one(hybrids and newer models))
@@kristalsify idemitsu is the only thing that is exactly the same, i have no idea how other manufactuers will work in the long term. I just got 5 quarts on amazon for $65 to arrive tomorrow. Seems about $30-40 cheaper than from Subaru directly
I just replaced the front axles on a friends 2010 Outback with new axles from NAPA. Now the car has shimmy when accelerating and turning. I’ve done dozens and dozens of front axles shafts on front wheel drive cars and Subarus are the only vehicles that I have experienced this problem with.
Any suggestions on compatible CVT fluids? Apparently most types say "does not fit" for my Subaru (2012 Impreza). Your videos have helped me a ton. Thank you for your time providing this for free.
Is there any benefit to dropping the pan and cleaning it and replacing the filter inside it? What about fully extracting the fluid in the CVT and torque converter? I believe you've only got about half out here. Is there anything that needs to be done to the transmission control module after this? ( Reset, reprogram?).
I saw another video where the pan was dropped, magnet cleaned and strainer replaced. The magnet was coated in fine metal dust so it seems worthwhile from that perspective. I don't know if the strainer has a filter medium that can clog. I'll be doing the full pan-off service this week on my TR580.
Replacing the strainer, is like replacing the oil pickup tube in the engine, when resealing the oil pan.. It's a pickup. Has a mesh, metal, screen, it is not a filter.
is that speed sensor that you showed in the video The “output shaft speed sensor”? I’m with a Subaru Outback 04 with this fault and I’m not sure which one is the output shaft speed sensor… Congratulations about this video! Pretty good explanation! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
THank you for sharing. Did you drain at 104F temp or colder? Since viscosity reduces with increased temp, isn't it faster to drain at 140F, and this way we can get rid of more CVTF, then we refill CVTF and start engine, and roll out through the CVT P-R-N-D and backward?
Thanks for the video. They are great. What are your thoughts on removing the cvt pan and cleaning the magnet inside? Also what about flushing out additional trans fluid?
Great video! Thank you so much. I do have two questions. Is there a technique for a complete refill for the transmission? I'm also wondering what model Snap-On torque wrench you were using? Thanks, Mr. Subaru.
Thank you for the video. I’ve got a ‘19 Outback, would the steps for my car be pretty similar or the same for the trans maintenance? Appreciate the video. Mine does have the fluid drain plug and fill
4:43 what method do you use to level the Subaru to perform the drain and fill CVT transmission fluid maintenance? Do you just put a magnetic level on the bottom of the transmission pan? Or do you level the frame of the vehicle?
@MRSubaru - what would be your suggestion about Subaru diagnostic tools? What would be the best tool for Subaru owner (cars 2005-2018) to do some basid diagnostic, check some control blocksfor errors, clear codes, see live data streams ?
Just did the cvt service on my 2013 outback (101,000 mi ) for the 1st time, drained out 6 1/2 quarts but could only get a bit more than 5 1/2 back in, followed the steps as explained, car level, 4 1/2 q in cold, ran through the gears 2x , let the car idle for about 13 min, refilled another q, started to follow out, replaced the fill plug. Ran through the gears again, still would not take any more fluid. I did not have a scan tool to ck temp, seemed most reached temp at 10- 15 min. Is it possible the unit was over filled at the factory ? is this common ?
Those mityvacs work great. It's still a pain in the butt to fill a CVT, but I haven't seen a better way to do it unless you have a drum and pump setup at a shop.
Question, If I'm changing the transmission fluid and a TR580 body, can I drain and measure the fluid, then remove the valve body and fill the fluid from the top (valve body cavity)? I would think it would be a lot easier to do it that way. Thanks
Hola Mr Subaru saludo desde Colombia, una consulta , si ponemos aceite cvt NS3 de nissan afecta el funcionamiento de la caja de velocidades tr580? Y que efectos secundarios puede generar al no poner el aceite cvtf II
Did this on a 2014 outback @ 150k, fluid was very dark. Dropped the pan also to make sure no damage was laying in it. The magnet in the pan had the normal break-in metal on it, not excessive so I cleaned it an left the filter alone. Sealed the pan back up with The Right Stuff gasket maker and measured the amount I got out. Got 6 quarts out. Ran 1/2 x 5/8 clear tubing down from the master cylinder area into the fill hole and put 4 quarts in. Started it and ran through the gears and let run till cooling fans came on. It took 2 more quarts till it started to run out. Job done. I used Amalie Universal CVT Synthetic Fluid. Still running fine after 4 months. Simple job.
Amalie? Do you mean Amsoil? I also see that Castrol has a universal one for most makes and models that's literally like $25 a gallon
Replying to see, amsoil cvt fluid?
This video is, without a doubt, the best one out there on this topic.
I followed it to the letter on my 2012 Subaru Impreza with 80K miles on the odometer.
With the vehicle completely level and with a sat for a day cold engine, I was able to fill with a transfer pump precisely 5.5 qt. using a graduated pitcher for measurement and at the correct transmission temperature.
Interestingly, precisely 6.5 qt. was drained at the begininning of the process.
Following the procedure, with all factors pre and post exactly the same, including ambient temperature, fuel manufacturer type and volume, tire PSI, cargo weight, roads driven...well, you get the picture, the vehicle is noticeably more responsive and fuel economy has increased by an averagae of 0.8 MPG.
In 2012 the claim was that this was a lifetime fluid. The transmission has a 100K mile warranty.
I'm speculating that the CVT was intentionally overfilled at the factory by precisely 1 qt. in order to provide greater dilutional volume to insure it would make it past the warranty period before it started to show problems.
Hi.. Greeting from Malaysia.. Same happen to my 2017 wrx S4(mine is TR690-replaced with high torque cvt fluid).. Lacking about 0.5-0.7L of fluid when I do drain and refill... How is your transmission doing currently? Is there any issue?
Good job sir.
Your instructional videos are great.! You have probably saved consumers $100 million in service fees, thanks.
No joke! The dealer wanted to charge me $590. Ended up costing me $150 in fluid to do on my own
Just completed this service on my 2013 Impreza. Fluid was dark but not burned at 62k. Needed a 3 ft pipe to get fill plug out. Drained about 6 quarts and only got back in about 4 3/4. Overfilled like a champ from the factory as this was the first time it’s been touched. Shifts smooth as butter. Excellent write up sir!
A slight correction. This morning I ran the car for about 10 minutes then was able to add another quart. Still was overfilled from the factory but not as much as originally thought.
Your videos get better with each new one. Appreciate the added "What you'll need" details at the beginning 👍
This was incredibly helpful! Thank you for not skipping over anything and going over common issues that might occur. Your camera angles were awesome and we really could see everything, it definitely inspired confidence. Good luck with everything!
I agree I’ve been stuck on my Subaru Outback, have not found a single video to help. This helped right away!
So this and you other vid answered so many questions I had about this "lifetime fluid". I refuse to pay a dealership when I have the skill to do this myself now that you have shown me the way. Subbed just because I want to see what you will teach me next.
Brendan Casey Check out his other videos about it. I personally don’t plan to change mine under warranty, so thinking around 105k and then every 60k after.
If you have a zf trans Just ask zf when to do the service. Or who ever makes it for whoever.
@@FishFind3000 subaru makes it.. and they say don’t service it 🤣 which is wrong
@@theofficialwizard2753 I looked at my owner's manual, and it said you have to replace it depending on uncontrolled variables, like environmental severe conditions and driving style. Factually, when two CVT Fluid samples were compared, one at 60,000 miles versus a fresh one, concluded the additional presence of iron, aluminum and silicon, contaminant elements resulting of a normal mechanical tear and wear. The oil specs did not change that much, except a bit of the reduction of the Boron element, the metal healing factor. So, preventive maintenance when done right is a great thing, cause we are replacing the CVTF strainer which cought some of the contaminants and replaced a good percentage of the CVTF getting rid of the contaminants that are kept free and loose thanks to the presence of Calcium in the CVTF. I would add that it is important to replace with the CVTF recommended by OEM, cause of the oil viscosity, and the special secret additives which covers the required needed Friction balanced with the oil detergent and antioxidant elements.
When you pull the pan what your seeing is a screen, not a filter. The filter is actually internal and requires removal and breaking open the tranny. Subaru screwed the pooch on this.
By the way, you are incredible in the way you explain each detail. On how to proceed on the project and what cautions to take. You have outstanding videos that I love and you are One A Top notch guy and mechanic that we are blessed to have! Stay Safe and keep them coming.
Thank you, nice video. I appreciate how you used jack stands rather than a lift as a shop might use. Seeing as many who do this DIY will not have a lift!
Awesome video! I found this via the Crosstrek forums and this really saved my ass when I accidentally drained my sister's transmission!
I just did this on my 2013 Crosstrek Limited! I forgot your hint, about only cracking the fill plug loose and not removing before I removed the drain plug. I freaked out 😳 when fluid came gushing out the fill plug. I thought I opened the wrong plug completely by mistake until I rewatched your video and realized where I went wrong!
Fluid shouldn’t come gushing out the fill plug unless it’s not level or it was over filled it’s not supposed to come out of the fill hole
@@codys4552 Fill will come out in a gush if it's on a cold engine. Don't forget at the fill hole only accepts near 4 quarts even though 5.5 quarts came out. Then you turn on the engine to let it circulate and it'll accept more when engine running.
Great directions! They worked very well for a 2013 impreza since it is almost the same vehicle. Because I only had one weekend to do this and there was no Subaru dealer within 2 hours of me, plus the car was high mileage, I used Red Line Non-slip CVT fluid which I was able to buy on Amazon and have it there in time. I have 6,000 miles on it since then and I really like it. I smile every time I drive it because it is so much better. More power, less slip, and cruises at a slightly lower rpm. This Red Line says it is for metal-belt CVT transmissions and it lists the TR580 and most other Subaru cvt's. It appears what you want to avoid is CVT fluid that says it is for both rubber and metal belts. Don't know if this is true but I get the feeling the Subaru fluid is great for slowing wear, but if you already have a worn trans then maybe the Non-Slip fluid is a better choice?
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Thanks for the video. I am not a Subaru mechanic, however as a former boat mechanic, I would use a boat gear case filler to fill transmissions, transfer cases, differential, etc. that are in a difficult location to fill. You can pick up a small gear case filler at a boatyard or marine supplier. They fit into a quart bottle and have a pump and hose to reach tight places. Hopefully this is helpful info. Have a great day and be safe.
Had one. It broke. Plus, it'd never get out more than about 3/4 of the bottles worth of fluid.
Engineers say fluid lasts life of the transmission so I’ll not care if they want Subaru fluid they don’t make. I run amsoil in my suburu transmissions with no issues whatsoever up to 247,000 miles. Your jackstand advice is what all people should be taught when young.
thank's for your video, very helpfull. Also I like to share that I replace my TR580 on my subaru forester 2.0 2013, with Amalie CVT syntethic fluid and worked very good. I write this after 6000 miles using Amalie CVT. My car had 65.000 miles aprox when I changed. thanks again for your video. help a lot specially to get the right full oil level.
Super clear and precise instructions. You know your stuff.
One word of advice, get the Mac tools rbrt 8mm hex socket. I started with a traditional hex socket, which ended up stripping out the hex on the fill plug. The fill plug was very tight, if I had used the rbrt, it would not have happened. Ended up using a bolt extractor to remove the stupid fill plug and got a new fill plug from Subaru. I did the dif fluid at the same time, that fill plug was just plain stupid tight. I used the rbrt hex for that, and it didn’t strip out. If you look very closely at the video, he uses and rbrt hex socket.
Just did this on my 2014 Forester. Thanks for the video and information. Got 6.2 out and 5.5 back in, temp was within range. Felt more responsive when driving, hopefully not the placebo effect
That's not good
This is so detailed I believe I might just be able to pull this off lol. Great video sir!!
Thanks for the great video, dealers act like this is rocket science and only they can do it
Thanks for the great video! Think I'll be doing 36,000 mile CVT fluid intervals on my Outback.
That's close to what another Subaru tech recommended as well. He said after 60k/90k whenever your warranty ends, then trans drain and fill every 30k after that because of the amount that we can't get to that's still in there that dirties up the new stuff. I think that's a great rule of thumb you posted considering a new transmission is over $7k now.
Thanks a lot for all of that, i just did my tr580 in my '13 outback, I got 6.5-7 qts out but it only took 5.75 or so in, doubt it was overfilled (maybe it was?) from the factory so I'm waiting for it to cool down to the low range to try and see if it'll take more...
**update- yeah weird at 105 degrees and 90000 miles my fluid was in pretty good shape except for the darkened color, only took about 5.75 qts to fill, going to run it a few hundred miles and do it again. I used a Quickjack to lift the vehicle and with the left front wheel off I had plenty of room to use bottles direct in there with a Supertech trans fill tube from wally world, it has a valve to open and close it, one of the best $5 tools ever; total cost of job with 2 drain/fills and new gaskets $175 with very little waste/mess** recommendation-fill at the low range of the temperature, so it'll take more fluid, if you fill it at the high end of the range, it will take slightly less, aka, 'you gotta be quicker than that' haha!
I'm a big fan of by-the-book info, but also take educated variance, I used a thermal laser to check temps at the bottom of the pan and feel like it is accurate enough. Thanks again from NC!
Yeah I agree fill in early around 75 degrees and then do a check at 95 degree. The first time I did it. I got in 5.5 then let it stream out out and 0.5 came out from stream (So in all 5 quarts_, but then when I check the temp it was at 125 since my scan tool disconnected from my phone( This time put the ActiveOBD in OBDlink Mx+ mode and not bluetooth. This time it did not disconnect. So had to wait til next morning to do the fill and check. This time filled it til 5.3-5.4 and then a few drips and checked it at 95 degrees the first time when plugged hole it was at 113 degrees. Keep track of how much came out from the stream til it drips.
If you have a 2022 Outback, there is an exhaust pipe right in your way. I had a suction gun with a tube that I was using to fill it. I figured out that with enough extensions, you can get the plug out from the driver's side wheel well. If you cut the handle off a golf club, you can attach it to the tube and fill it from there too. Made it way easier since I am hoistless.
ATF expands when hot and shrinks when cooled . . . he did it Exactly Right. . . just do what he shared with us.
I like that you are making videos showing how to do the job with the car on jackstands. That is how I will do it in my garage!
Thanks, fantastic information with a great delivery
Thank you so much!!! 🙏🏻
Doing this tomorrow, after doing the differentials I feel pretty confident about getting those plugs out.
Love your videos. I feel you and Diesel Tech Ron have the best videos on car repair on TH-cam. Wish Ron was still with us.
I have searched your videos for diagnostic of a Subaru Impreza (2015) with the TR580. Started shifting strange from 1st to 2nd (after warmed up). holds RPM until about 3k then drops rpm to 1,500 while shifting, which makes for a rough transition from 1st to 2nd.
last time I dis a flush and fill on the CVT was 50k ago. valve body was replaced by dealer at 60k. Car has 170k on it now. If you've done a video around this issue I'd love to watch it.
Thanks Again.
Best video that shows how to do this, thank you so much for posting this!!!
From what I've seen on TH-cam and discussed with the transmission service that replaced my CVT build, it's just a matter of dropping the pan to replace the filte once its been drained.
Hell I'll just take some time off and road trip my Outback over to your house for some service. LOL Good video man.
doing this one again in 20 minutes, gotta keep up on that fluid! Thanks again for the video.
Awesome video! Im currently looking at getting my wife a 2018 outback from carmax so i am looking into all the needed maintenance and problems with the vehicles
Buenas tardes sr. Subaru.. muy agradecido con tu video de cambio de aceite, me ayudo hacer servicio a mi legacy 2014. muchas gracias por compartir tus conocimientos
Now that I have my own Crosstrek 2014 it's so dam tough to find a mechanic that knows how to do things properly. Don't get me wrong, if I did find one I don't mind paying but now to know that not even a Subaru service technician won't have enough patients to do a simple trans fluid maintenance. I'm bummed. Guess I gatta start investing into some more tools. Like they say if you want something done right, you gatta do it yourself. Thanks for this great video my crosstrek is due for this service. Its at 105k. Might just change the trans filter and replace the pan gasket!
Wanted to share/consolidate a few findings for people looking to do this on newer Crosstreks… I was considering tackling this on my high miles 2021 but have decided to take a breath:
1) At some point in recent years it appears Subaru re-routed the exhaust to the other side of the car such that it’s now directly in the way of the fill plug. Seems you’ll have to unbolt some stuff to make space. Some have mentioned plugs on the other side of the transmission but I haven’t seen any confirmation those are for the same purpose or something else.
2) As of 2020 the Crosstrek calls for Subaru CVTF-III fluid, not CVTF-II. From what I can tell that is only currently available from Subaru in 5 gallon buckets. There are a handful of places selling it by the quart online, presumably repackaging it themselves, but it’s like $35/quart. 😮
Sooooo….
Awesome video! Tip for those doing it on un-level driveway like mine. Front of car on jack stands, floor jack at rear to raise back and I used a 6" bubble level on bottom of transmission to check for being level.
Just did my ‘14 Impreza the other night. Would highly recommend doing it inside unless the weather is warm, takes forever to get the fluid warm from 46 degrees....
The oil drain plug crush washer works just fine on the CVT drain plug per my local dealer parts manager.
How did you measure the temperature.?
I was going to ask the same thing
Any thoughts on how people measured trans temps?
Thanks for putting the what we need section!
You're channel is a blessing.
Nice job on the video. Very thorough explanation. Thanks for taking the time and effort to make it.
It's funny, I keep coming back to your videos long after you've made them. My 2014 XV Crosstrek only has 150,000 km which is just under 100,000 miles. I think that the car is now due for CVT fluid and diff fluid changes with my next oil change. I'm guessing that six litres/quarts of CVT fluid and 3 litres/quarts of 75W90 differential oil.
Thorough explanation, safety emphasis and torque specifications. You are an excellent instructor, have you considered teaching shop?
Thanks for the video I just bought a 2014 and the guy never touched the transmission so I'm going to attempt to change the fluid. Nice thorough video thanks again.
Thank you for the video. It's pretty basic and straight forward. I wonder why Subaru is so adamant about not addressing it at regular intervals
So the plot thickens: took the car in for a CVT fluid flush. Service rep called back that there is a hose that connects the transmission to the radiator and its leaking, thus mixing the CVT fluid into the coolant. Added Radiator flush and core flush/clean to the job. getting the 450 Dollar CVT flush estimate to $1300. I approved it but it makes me wonder how a hose leak is causing the mix. I asked the sales rep the same thing, to which he said its a line inside the radiator. So I am thinking that co called line sitting surrounded by coolant and leaking cvt fluid into the coolant is this even possible ? I need to find a good mechanic for consults and take my car there. TR580 Guys where are you
@@aarshmathur2909 The fluid is pumped through the radiator to warm it up. My co-worker had one bust on his honda and it over-flowed his coolant reservoir. Fortunatley it happened as he was pulling in his drive way.
Cool video, I wish you were in my area, to work on my car. Finding quality mechanics to work on Subarus in my area is tough. Very few are trustworthy.
you given me an excellent understanding about Subaru's in general and specifically to each model. their maintenance and care. I bought a 2024 Outback Wilderness and cannot find the answer as to which CVT transmission are in them, so I thought I'd ask an expert. TR580, 690 or neither of them. thanks for all the information you've provided for your viewers
Thanks so much. So glad I found your videos.
Cheers
Alberta, Canada
My empreza needs cvt transmission service Mr Subaru got a great accent great video
FYI, oil drain plug washer and CVT drain plug washer are the same part number.
Weird. The original CVT washer was a flat one piece. Didn't look like a mushed oil crush washer.
@@MrSubaru1387 Maybe whomever did the valve body service put the wrong washer on there? They got the fluid level wrong, too.
@@MrSubaru1387 The replacement gasket for my t70 drain plug on my 2016 sti was different from the factory gasket.
Thanks for the video mate. I've been binge watching your videos, i'm interested in getting a Subaru and i want to know what i'm getting myself into. LoL
TH-cam MVP
I use Aisin Subaru spec CVTFii fluid from rockauto. $9 a quart. Im going to be performing this this service every 30-36k/3yrs along with the diffs. Dont wanna go broke doing it.
Thanks again for your awesome video. It was a great reference for a CVTF drain and fill on a 2017 Forester's TR580.
Just thought I'd share that I saw a 92' legacy turbo the other day it was completely bone stock and actually had no intercooler the turbo would take in air pretty much directly from the hood scoop and throw it straight into the throttle body intake really cool EJ22 as well
Great vid, but I would like to add that there are 2 filters in this transmission. One is internal like mentioned, but there is a pan filter that is easily changed and accumulates most of the metal debris created by the transmission. There is also a pan magnet that should be cleaned as well. The best way for people to think about this is when you change your oil, you change your filter. So why would your transmission be any different. Side note: Make sure the o-ring is on the new filter when you install it, and make sure to lubricate the o-ring before installation.
Yes dunno need to change filters anymore?
I'm broke so I'm always looking for ways to save money, you mentioned that Idemitsu fluid, its literally 60% of the price of the Subaru stuff.
For folks looking to save money, Idemitsu CVT Transmission Fluid Type SB2 is the one you want (To directly replace CVTF II, check your model, some take III and some take a weird one(hybrids and newer models))
What about valvoline max life multi vehicle ? It’s also recommended for Subaru cvt2
@@kristalsify idemitsu is the only thing that is exactly the same, i have no idea how other manufactuers will work in the long term. I just got 5 quarts on amazon for $65 to arrive tomorrow. Seems about $30-40 cheaper than from Subaru directly
I just replaced the front axles on a friends 2010 Outback with new axles from NAPA. Now the car has shimmy when accelerating and turning. I’ve done dozens and dozens of front axles shafts on front wheel drive cars and Subarus are the only vehicles that I have experienced this problem with.
You’ll have that with aftermarket axles…
You're the fuckin man! Looks like i'll be changing my 15 ctv fluid soon. Just over 45,500 miles
Any suggestions on compatible CVT fluids? Apparently most types say "does not fit" for my Subaru (2012 Impreza). Your videos have helped me a ton. Thank you for your time providing this for free.
5:05 ..rear passenger jack blends in 1000% with the tire tread 😆
I just bring my Crosstrek in every 60k miles and have a new CVT installed. Zero issues
I gotta be honest that CVT fluid looks like it would taste hella good. If ATF is the forbidden Kool-Aid that’s the forbidden Sprite
Mountain Dew Baja Blast. Lol
Baja Blast yes!
Awesome. You make it look so easy!
Wish I watched this before I did mine. Took out the drain plug first, oh boy the fill plug was a bear. But I got it out.
Did you notice any change in CVT performance? Also when did Subaru update the CVT fluid to the II version?
Hmm, I might even be able to do that! Of course, I've got a ways to go yet since I only have a little less than 40k on the crosstrek. Thanks!
Nicely done. Guess I need to buy some materials. Thanks!
Thanks for your advice easy to to follow your a legend.
Regards Louis.
Nice video. I have a read of a “re-learn” procedure after changing Subaru CVT fluid. Is this necessary or something else?
Hello from Russia, useful your video. Спасибо, друг.
I picked up one of those mityvac fluid syringes a couple months back. Its great! I use it a LOT.
Good job explained well
Is this a similar process for the TR690 transmission or completely different. What are the differences in the process?
Is there any benefit to dropping the pan and cleaning it and replacing the filter inside it?
What about fully extracting the fluid in the CVT and torque converter? I believe you've only got about half out here.
Is there anything that needs to be done to the transmission control module after this? ( Reset, reprogram?).
I saw another video where the pan was dropped, magnet cleaned and strainer replaced. The magnet was coated in fine metal dust so it seems worthwhile from that perspective. I don't know if the strainer has a filter medium that can clog. I'll be doing the full pan-off service this week on my TR580.
Replacing the strainer, is like replacing the oil pickup tube in the engine, when resealing the oil pan.. It's a pickup. Has a mesh, metal, screen, it is not a filter.
@@MrSubaru1387 thanks.
@@MrSubaru1387 What about Transmission Adaptive Learning reset?
@@iaroslavgrygorash5443 only needed for transmission replacement, or valve body replacement.
is that speed sensor that you showed in the video The “output shaft speed sensor”? I’m with a Subaru Outback 04 with this fault and I’m not sure which one is the output shaft speed sensor…
Congratulations about this video! Pretty good explanation! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks for your video, I learn a lot. My 2013 Impreza G4 has a red-light blinking could you tell me the cause of this?
THank you for sharing. Did you drain at 104F temp or colder? Since viscosity reduces with increased temp, isn't it faster to drain at 140F, and this way we can get rid of more CVTF, then we refill CVTF and start engine, and roll out through the CVT P-R-N-D and backward?
Thanks for posting. Did you notice any difference after the fluid change? Doing my first at 50,000 mies on my 2017 Crosstrek.
Thanks for the video. They are great. What are your thoughts on removing the cvt pan and cleaning the magnet inside? Also what about flushing out additional trans fluid?
Excellent video thank you!
Great video! Thank you so much. I do have two questions. Is there a technique for a complete refill for the transmission? I'm also wondering what model Snap-On torque wrench you were using? Thanks, Mr. Subaru.
Brilliant. I’ll be doing this soon
Learned what In needed to know; Thanks.
Thank you for the video. I’ve got a ‘19 Outback, would the steps for my car be pretty similar or the same for the trans maintenance? Appreciate the video.
Mine does have the fluid drain plug and fill
I can’t believe Suburu didn’t design an easier method to refill their cvt
No different than basically every other modern transmission.
@@MrSubaru1387 why not design it for a top fill with a dipstick?I think it’s a step backwards my ten year old Mitsubishi cvt has a dipstick
@@Hodado manufacturers don't want people working on their own cars. They want you to bring it to them so they can charge you.
@@MrSubaru1387 exactly that’s why I like an old 300-6 in a Ford pickup
All A/T are this way CVT or not
You're the goat
Awsome content quick question
The TR690 has the same procedure?
❤ clear video. Thanks 🎉
4:43 what method do you use to level the Subaru to perform the drain and fill CVT transmission fluid maintenance? Do you just put a magnetic level on the bottom of the transmission pan? Or do you level the frame of the vehicle?
Such good work.
Bravo
Well idk if I got scammed but I did mine at the dealer since been told has to be reprogrammed and it's supposed to be 13 qts fluid ( 2015 forester) 🤔
But Subaru also said that it’s a lifetime fluid which it is not, so how can you trust them?
@MRSubaru - what would be your suggestion about Subaru diagnostic tools? What would be the best tool for Subaru owner (cars 2005-2018) to do some basid diagnostic, check some control blocksfor errors, clear codes, see live data streams ?
Thank you!
Just did the cvt service on my 2013 outback (101,000 mi ) for the 1st time, drained out 6 1/2 quarts but could only get a bit more than 5 1/2 back in, followed the steps as explained, car level, 4 1/2 q in cold, ran through the gears 2x , let the car idle for about 13 min, refilled another q, started to follow out, replaced the fill plug. Ran through the gears again, still would not take any more fluid. I did not have a scan tool to ck temp, seemed most reached temp at 10- 15 min. Is it possible the unit was over filled at the factory ? is this common ?
engine has to be running while you fill it, at the correct fluid temp
Those mityvacs work great. It's still a pain in the butt to fill a CVT, but I haven't seen a better way to do it unless you have a drum and pump setup at a shop.
I want the Mityvac shop air powered filler. Just doesn't work well on jackstands, size wise, when I get the shop built, I'll definitely be upgrading.
@@MrSubaru1387 will you offer this car for sale?
I'm not sure if I'm keeping it, giving it to my mom, or reselling. Kind of waiting on the current global status to normalize again.
My friend uses a 1 1/2 gallon garden sprayer with the spray nozzle removed
Nifty little tool there.
Question, If I'm changing the transmission fluid and a TR580 body, can I drain and measure the fluid, then remove the valve body and fill the fluid from the top (valve body cavity)? I would think it would be a lot easier to do it that way. Thanks
Hola Mr Subaru saludo desde Colombia, una consulta , si ponemos aceite cvt NS3 de nissan afecta el funcionamiento de la caja de velocidades tr580? Y que efectos secundarios puede generar al no poner el aceite cvtf II