@@juliamoon6562 hell hath no fury like a woman scorned... Maleficent was scorned, she was the most powerful Fairy in her land. She will protect both Aurora and Philip.
As she should!!! I think that is what positive feminism is ❤ A PERSON can be strong at the same time have weakness (falling in love is not a weakness, it's more of a motivation) Accepting yourself and using that as your strength ❤️
@@whitedragoness23 that's what he had to pay for in the movie though? Jasmine was disappointed in him and he had to make up for it. In a sense, that was part his character growth; he learned to have dignity, sincerity and honor... and not see himself as just a lowly street rat and see Jasmine like a prized possession of the Sultan that he has to win over by being a rich prince himself (because she felt like he was objectifying her).
@@AiSyYoo Aladdin had to pay by being honest to Jasmine and confess to her. Not only that but to do the right thing and possiable lose the chance to marry her. By that time he had proven himself worthy of her. Unlike the other suitors he fought to save her and the kingdom. He was a hero and even gave up his last wish to prove he would be honest and not make himself a prince again and take the easy way out. Jasmine didn’t know if Aladdin was like the other suitors. They saw her as their chance to power and wealth and they were all stuck up as she mentions she didn’t like their attitudes. She came from money but wanted something real. The suitors were fake and in some ways pretending despite their wealth. They didn’t want to get to know her and when push come to shove I’m sure they would just use her and try to control her like jafar. Jasmine didn’t want the illusion and wanted love as she stated. That was why she was so harsh on Aladdin because she’s seen as nothing more than a link to status and power. Not for herself
Naomi recognized the independence and steadfastness of Jasmine and at the same time accepting the idea of a supportive partner who will also be with her along the way.
Although I didn't like her singing segment, I truly liked her a lot more in this live adaptation. Animated Jasmine had good qualities and ideals, but most of the time she got under my skin rather painfully. Live action? Indeed a good future leader without losing her feminity and pose as a princess.
@@rosavillanueva5189agree.. it is rare for me to love the live action princess more than the animated.. But mind asking, why do u dislike the singing segment? Her singing was great, but i guess that's not the reason..?
@GReyn separate person but i agree about not liking her song. It felt like a nothing sandwich to me I suppose. I was excited for her character to have a song, but it felt like it was just made and put there just to say she got it rather than to serve her character or the story. Maybe I need a rewatch. It's been a while
@@nomemeshere4807 ahhh so it's a problem 8n regards to its connection to the story.. understandable.. imo it fits, but felt off.. Because it fits with the way tbey direct the storg, but feels like it is a bit much.. at least that's how i look at it..
Snow white and Cinderella were abused by family members for YEARS, and they didn't let that cruelty influence them. They kept being kind to others, did their best and if that's not strength I don't know what is.
Ironically the live action Cinderella nailed her strength but the actress misses the mark HARD in her interview. So the director understood the assignment and directed the actress to make sure she did her part.
Cinderella IS actually “hoping” to be saved.. and what can she do abour her situation? She's a literal child who can not fend for herself.. she's actually pragmatic and wise. Did what she has to do to survive. Already accepted her fate and just wanted a fun night at a party so she can have a taste of freedom and agency. But then the prince liked her, maybe had a spark while dancing with her first time. Anyone would take the chance IF someone offered them an escape from the abusive household. What is wrong with that.
Cinderella wanted a night off. Belle wanted to ditch her provincial town. Ariel already wanted to be part of the human world. The princes were just along the ride. An added bonus if you will. Falling in love doesn't make them less strong.
The reason that people think so is the attitude towards love that they show in the films. Its the idea of "we're in love so now everything will be perfect" but no, love is messy, it requires work so the idea of a woman just falling in love then everything goes right can seem like "waiting for a prince". Like Cinderella did so much to get herself to the ball and then she falls in love with the prince and then pretty much all her problems stop. Its such a shallow view on love that it makes falling in love seem bad too. Princess and the Frog had it right. There was attraction there but they never even thought of taking it seriously until they knew each other and got a feel for each other's love map.
Exactly its this new age feminist! This wasn't what femininity was about. You could be strong and loveable and wanting love and kindness and be funny or anything. These actresses just regurgitate the same line its annoying
@@eleanorcooke7136valid points that i fully agree with, but that’s an entirely different argument from what the women in the video were saying. what they are missing is that being feminine or a romantic doesn’t make you weak, and all of these princesses had goals that didn’t necessarily involve a man (except maybe snow, but she was like 14, abused all her life, and also a product of her time, of course she’s gonna be a hopeless romantic) that keep being ignored because their storylines get unfairly boiled down. disney thinks everybody wants these “strong independent woman who doesn’t need a man” characters, and sure they’re nice, but they’re getting boring, and they imply that there’s something wrong with wanting to find love. i really wish disney would just make more movies like the princess and the frog. keep the femininity and goals, while teaching kids about realistic love (not necessarily romantic) and how it can make you stronger.
If we are being honest, Cinderella in the original movie is more assertive than in the live action. In the live action she is unbelievably kind and tries to stay delusional that her stepmother and stepsisters don't hate her while in the original she is very aware how evil they are, but she still tries to find a way to stand her ground.
Yup, in the liveaction its like: you are an adult, you are well read and even know how to ride a horse! Why do you let yourself be pushed like that? In the animated it makes so much more sense because she literally grew up in that enviroment and had no socialnetwork that could help her escape, just the mice but how could they help? Not with money or shelter at least. In the live qction she simply gives up and sings a sad song after being locked up eventhough the window is open! In the animated cinderella hammers agqinst the door and tries the best she can to get out of that room!
Live action Cinderella is strong and kind. She always held strong in what she believed in. Her situation, in the time that the story is supposed to take place in, is believable.
@@katiaotero2392 nope I think I do understand the live action quiet well and I fully disagree with it improving all around on the animated one. I stand by my asessment, whend i live action the father died she was already an adult, she hadn't grown up in misery like animated Cindy, so I find the courage and optimism of the animated cindy way more inspiring. Also it remains that in the end, when she gets locked up animated cindy keeps fighting, while live action cindy simply gives up. That has nothi g to do with being kind. She had been raised by her father be to be well educated, to speak her mind and think for herself, yet she just gives up. Animated cindy was raised in abuse as a mere slave, yet she fights for her dream.
I feel like the differences can be attributed to the differences in timelines. Animated Cinderella’s father has been dead for years, so she’s kind of learned to be more stoic in front of them. Live action Cinderella’s father died much later, so she was trying to give Tremaine a chance.
I don't think these women are aware that when you're in an abusive situation, you obviously want to get out of there, and sometimes wish someone, ANYONE, could save you. Cinderella was verbally, emotionally, economically, psychologically and physically abused by her stepmother and stepsisters. She didn't want a man to save her, she wanted to go to a freaking party with a pretty nice dress for ONE NIGHT and have fun, she wanted to escape her situation, and she just happened to fall in love in the process. Why is that such a bad thing? Why is love associated with weakness? Why is admitting you need help from someone else being seen as a weakness? I don't get it
Versus masculinity being abhored? Who will build your bridges then? Whos going to clean the sewers, hmm? You lot seem to forget the struggles men go through also and they dont play victim, they bury their heads and get shet done. While modern women just complain about how men are ruining EVERYTHING (if he is, some women is behind him). This world is beyond EFFED, but ONLY the women matter, right? Yall dont need no man right? Go luck providing more children for the world to develop. Youll have to start enslaving men for sex if you want to progress humanity, or treating EVERYONE equally, DESPITE gender. Feminity and Masculity need to either STFU, or find way to WORK TOGETHER
only bc in these stories, that is their entire character. Thats the problem. Arielle is the worst of all😂 And i loved the live action cinderella, that is the only live action movie that they did good.
@@ZoZoIb but it wasn’t. Ariel wanted to go on before ever meeting Prince Eric. Cinderella wanted to go to the ball before meeting her Prince. It’s a shame that their defining moment is that they wanted a man when it actually wasn’t
@@ZoZoIb but Ariel had a lifelong obsession with humans and the world above the sea, it is stated throughout the movie. That's her whole motive was to learn more about humans it's just her falling in love with Prince Eric was a second plot. He was not the cause for her motives and decisions to become a human.
@@ZoZoIb wdym? ariel's entire motive was to go to the human world, she wanted learn and explore humans and AFTER that she fell in love. ariel just wanted to be a part of that world.
Elle Fanning knew exactly what makes Princesses so special, there’s such grace and beauty in their gentleness that other people will want to look up to
yes i really hate it when feminity , elegance , yearning for love is considered weakness and that women has to be a strong bad a** fighter so that she isnt considered weak or passive. and like maybe she doesnt NEED a prince but she wants one whats the big deal 🤷🏻♀️
@@getem7640a lot of the women here / Hollywood “creatives” have been misconstruing strength with only the masculine kind. Saying a woman “doesn’t need a man” and “is a badass warrior fighter” is missing the point entirely. Strength can come in the form of kindness, insightfulness, diligence, patience, softness(all things that are particularly feminine).
Wanting romance and being gentle is not a weakness. Hollywood today seems to think changing feminine characters to be more aggressive is not feminism. Much respect to Fanning
I call any self proclaimed feminist that rejects traditional feminity to be "faux feminists." Feminism is about embracing all women and how they express themselves.
None of the live action Disney princesses were aggressive at all they just had purpose outside of the male leads and it is Feminism there is not one way or path to Feminism
@@majayyyyy7882 It's one thing when the man becomes less central. It's another when they make the female character have no flaws or weaknesses and give the male characters no strengths. The people writing these characters (and people signing off on these projects) have no concept of what makes a good character and art is suffering for it... Not that remaking the same exact movie with different graphics and race/gender-swapped characters necessarily constitutes art.
@@Haylla2008 you must not have properly watched the live actions properly then cause the female characters did have flaws in Maleficent Auroras god mothers always talked about her issue being naive and trying to see the good in everyone even when they’re bad, in Beauty in the Beast Bells dad spoke about how she can be TOO independent and put to much stress on herself I would say the only live action princess they made too “perfect” was Cinderella but you can’t really bash the live action for that considering she was the exact same way in the original. They live actions also gave the princes more depth nobody even knew the prince in Cinderella had a name before the live action they actually gave him a personality and story that made him appealing, in the original cartoon beauty and the beast the beast was borderline abusive to Bell and in the live action they completely toned that down also gave his character more depth. The live actions did much better than the og movies especially with the Princess they gave them wayyy more substance if any thing the originals made the female leads with little flaws
Weird take: We live in a generation where toxic masculinity is being applied to females. Cinderella was a heck of an abuse victim who has been slaving herself away since her father died with no thanks. She managed to find _help_ and got a happy ending. Now tell me, what does she _fricking_ get for all the crap she went through? “All she cares about is a guy, she needs to be more independent, etc”. People are telling her to “woman up”, because who cares if she was abused? She didn’t deserve to go to that party because she wasn’t “independent” enough. Would anyone actually say that to an actual abuse victim seeking for help? Besides, she just wanted to go to a fricking party. She just happened to rizz up the prince while she was there. What a queen.
Not that weird to me, honestly. Women are damned if they do and damned if they dont even in fiction. These women always try to overplay their roles like they rectified and mended a story that was perfectly fine for generations. Bish have a seat.
naomi, elle & halle do get their characters! naomi knows jasmine can want & have control and power over her life while also having love and companionship; they're not mutually exclusive. elle knows there's an inherent strength in being resilient & headstrong while still being soft, loving & nurturing; she's strong, soft & feminine, not in spite of those. halle knows that what ariel has always wanted was to know more about the world above & be free to explore and learn, eric just added to her wish to go up the surface world. she knows her & eric became kindred spirits because they both wanted more freedom than what they were dealt with; ariel wants to learn, to explore & be free, but she also wants love and there's nothing wrong with that. love these ladies 💜
Snow White literally sang her main song about how she wanted to find true love. Even though she was in a horrible abusive situation, she knew what she wanted, and she never gave up on her dream. How does that make her weak?
@@francescavinaveya3267 I still don’t see how that’s problematic for a 14-year-old abuse/ attempted murder survivor. But can’t please everybody I guess 🤷🏽♀️
@@gabbysivad6457 but also… in the movie, Snow White is 14, maybe younger, and the Prince is old as fuck… doesn’t directly tie into topic of this video, but movie also did really bad portrayal of her escaping her situation since she’s basically groomed…
Areal wanted to be human before she met Erik; Belle wanted to leave her town before she met the beast; Cinderella just wanted a night off and even ran away from her Prince. Don't belittle their struggles and the motives. It's so rude.
Ariel didn’t want to be human, she wanted to know more about the above world and to ask humans her questions about their life outside of the sea. The idea of becoming human was just brought up when Ursula said it (talking about the disney movie).
@@jessp.r.7181 “flipping your fins you don’t get too far; legs are required for jumping, dancing”. she knew the only way she could actually experience the human world was to… become a human. so this person is correct when they say she wanted to be human. that’s expressed several times throughout the movie.
@@jessp.r.7181 I think you're correct yet not, in the original tale she was happy to be human the only issue was that everytime she walked it felt like she was stepping on glass. Yet she still ran and danced and did other things. Sorry. I talk more about the actually stories as I do think Disney has watered down much of the plot and struggles of the characters.
Cinderella didn't run away from the prince because she wanted a night off. What are you on about? She ran away because everything would turn back to normal. Even her ride home. She wanted to get home before her step mother and sister found out she went to the ball so she wouldn't get in trouble. I guarantee you, if she was able to stay longer with the prince, she would've.
I will not stand for this Cinderella slander. Cinderella did not need to be stronger. She was already so, so strong and resilient. People are quick to dismiss that she suffered exactly because she wore her suffering with grace and poise. She became an orphan and was turned into a servant in her own home by cruel people who were supposed to be family and yet managed to still be kind and be gentle and look at the world around her and still see beauty. She was fighting to become a person she wanted to be and a person she knew her parents would be proud of everyday of her life in that house. While anyone else would have turned butter and angry at the world, she fought to keep that kindness instilled in her and nurtured it with her own hands. She didn't have Belle's father or her books, not Jasmine's or Ariel's stature as princesses, not even Aurora's fairies who raised her with love. All she had were the mice and the birds and a fairy godmother for ONE NIGHT. It's not weakness to need and accept help in being saved from hostile circumstances.
None of these Disney Princesses were "waiting on a man to save her." They were waiting for their opportunity to escape their lives and be something greater... it was an added bonus that they got their Happily ever after.
Aurora was cursed and needed a true loves kiss. Cinderella wanted to have a dreamy evening with a prince, literally we could text on a personal level and I’d show you every clip The only princess that wanted to be free from it all was jasmine alladin was only an extra in her quest of a free life from suitors and all of that so what exactly are you talking about
@@alexanderigoniwari5571 Cinderella did not want a dreamy evening with the Prince she just wanted to go to the ball and be like everyone else. The prince just happened to see her and pick her to dance. Aurora was cursed and therefore was forced to wait for someone to rescue her. I doubt she went looking for the prince as she'd interacted with him several times and tried to politely excuse herself out of discomfort of interacting with someone else as she wasn't used to it. Ariel just wanted to go on land and experience life up there and just so happened upon a drowning prince and saved him. He never saved her. Jasmine is exactly as you said. What I'm getting at here is that while the prince may have played some supporting role in the story they did very little in "saving" the princess. They did most of the work themselves.
@@MagnusXAlec4ever Ariel saw the prince and after pondering all her life on wether or not she should be above the waters,she met the prince on his boat after his dog did the thing, the “man” she saw gave her a reason to want to be part of his world, you see that? His the reason, sure at the end of the movie she saves him again but his the reason, that is the role he plays both of their roles are just as significant, there is no heated urge to want to “save femininity” or “empower women” that’s was not the intent of the movie and it shouldn’t be now, make accurate shit
@@MagnusXAlec4ever in the process of making it so feminine you reduce what the male characters are and their significance to the movie, you see how they say it like “we don’t need men”? They reduce the significance of the male character and if you support that then we wouldn’t even need to have this little chat
@@alexanderigoniwari5571 I'm confused. Where did I say anything about "saving femininity" or "empower women"? I was just saying that all these people acting like these stories were just Princesses waiting on someone to save them. It wasn't like that. They tried to live their life how they wanted and needed help. But in no way were they just sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting for rescue. I'll agree with you that both the princes and princesses played equal roles in the story in some cases. It's not about them not needing a man. They can have their happy ending but to make it out that they needed that man to save them diminishes what the princesses set out to do.
She wanted to meet the prince you asshole watch the movie again and learn right, she was out to see the prince just like everyone else, she literally heard the step mother talk about him and she went all dreamy what did you watch mate?
@@cheshirerose2001 what are you talking about she was cursed by a witch and slept through most of the movie only to wake up by true loves kiss not femininity loves kiss it’s fictional that’s the point of the movie, keep it fictional stop being inclusive and just enjoy the movie as it was, none of these movies these days are fairytale movies, they lost themselves and it is sad almost disappointed to see what they have become in recent days
Exactly. It's ironic that feminism is against that... ironic in terminology.. but also this means masculinity wins again. They let "patriarchy" technically win 😅😅
@@alexkoppers7882 He’s saying it’s ironic that the very people who claim to be championing women, actually dislike feminine qualities and would rather model themselves after men.
It actually shows how shallow these actresses are that they never saw what the princesses true story was about. Cinderella for instance was always caring and strong, if you watched the cartoon you would see that she was always like that. Snow White wanted love but is that really so bad?? Her story also shows how she can impact so many people with kindness and sternness and never giving up. I’m so sick of the Disney princess slander…everyone acting so high and mighty making these statements about the princesses when it is quite clear they all had an idea for how the princesses were, not actually what they were in their story. Also- LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL! Love is the most powerful thing in the world and these girls are acting like these princesses were tripping over themselves for a stupid guy…no, there story is about them overcoming something hard AND finding love in the end which is beautiful.
Belle never waited for some prince to save her. She wanted to explore the world, live an adventure. And if she found someone who understood her, that was a plus
yeah i hate how they made it seem like emma was in the same boat as Rachel, bc emma’s character actually IS headstrong and independent, she didn’t change belle. unlike Rachel who completely ruined snow white’s character and turned her into something she’s not
You're very right. Ariel's goal was just to explore above the surface, and Eric got caught in that. She fell in love and married the guy, of course with complications. But besides, Eric's a prince, he has the money, connections and the ways to support her😂
@@bhavanijayant526 Rachel is the one playing snow white in the live action next year. And yeah Disney often sees hopeless romantics as weak and not "feminist" which is why they're changing Snow's character so she's seen as an empowerment character who doesn't need a man. It's the same with Belle, Emma didn't want to wear a pretty dress or make Belle girly because then the character wouldn't be strong and empowering enough for her. Disney and a bunch of actresses needs to realize that being a hopeless romantic and girly isn't weak and still can be empowering 😭
I love Snow White’s character. She’s a beautiful spirit who is kind and giving. So what if she’s excited about falling in love. Love can such a wonderful adventure.
Rachel misunderstood Snow White's whole character, she’s a hopeless romantic who dreams of love and that’s okay it’s nothing shameful or bad you can love and still be strong. Being in love or believing in love doesn’t make you weak.
@@cheshirerose2001Also, she wasn't "saved" by the Prince at all. She was saved because the coffin she was in happened to be accidentally dropped, which dislodged the poisoned apple in her throat. Also, she met the Prince _before_ this happened. He didn't come along after, she wasn't "waiting" for him or anyone (bit hard to wait for someone when you're in a literal poison-induced coma), and in the original book _she_ was the one who put an end to the Evil Queen. Sure, it was through torture using red-hot iron shoes she forced the former-Queen to dance in until death, but that's still not waiting to be saved, and by then she was _already the leader_ since she was now the frigging QUEEN.
Oh so youve seen the new movie and know exactly what the writers changed in the new one? Shocking how it’s nowhere near out yet. Im tired of this hate for Rachel Zegler when she’s just talking about changes the writers made. She didn’t write the movie.
the way Elle, Naomi, and Halle explain this makes me want to have a conversation with them. they put it so well and truly understand who they are playing.
@@sofija642I think what she was saying is that while Ariel may be bashed for giving up her voice "for a man," she's wanted to be human before. Eric was the tipping point. It was a decision Ariel made for herself.
@@sofija642 nah y’all just be saying anything to make Halle seem bad…. Most Disney princess are said to “need a man “ but Ariel was just explain although Ariel is looking for her love and he was the reason she made the finale deal it’s not all about him she also wanna explore the human worl and getting to know herself better
@@sofija642 first of she’s literally a 16 years old and she’s stubborn and listen to her heart I don’t think not being “weak “ is like so shocking … she made the right choices and it paid off but in another universe her prince might’ve been evil again she’s 16 lacking a bit of maturity and is too kind we know how cruel humans can be
@@arizonastaraldcDisney might have tried to ruin Ariel but Hailey was not to blame...You can see how talented and good she is when she figures out the real strengths in her character
Lol, I'm so sick of people undermining Snow White. I used to find her annoying as a child, but I realized that for such a young age and almost being murdered, she's practically one of the strongest princesses if not the strongest for still not losing hope in life (even if Cinderella is my favorite). Her being interested in love does not erase that strength of hers. Anyone can desire love and happiness which are perfectly fine. Wanting someone is also different from needing someone (but we also must remember that no one is an island and it's okay to get help. Snow got help from the dwarfs after the friendship she built out of kindness with them). Love does not make you weak.
I think Snow White is definitely misunderstood. Her character is solely based on how she cared for the dwarves and when poisoned, a prince came in and kissed her to take her away. While that part is usually what's judged the harshest, I think she just longed for happiness and tranquility. And she found that living with the dwarves. She had been alone for so long and without love, she found peace and fulfillment in a simple life. Minus the dwarves, she was living the life I hope to have. Away from everyone and everything, enjoying nature, baking, and caring for my little home. There's nothing bad about that.
@@getem7640 That’s an awful mindset to have. Everyone needs help sometimes. And when you constantly refuse help your also pushing away those who care about you to the point where you’ll wear yourself out trying to fix everything on your own, and inadvertently drive away the people who are concerned for your well-being. Also the examples you gave of characters who “didn’t need help” make no sense. Without the help of Shang, Yao, Ling, and Chien-po Mulan would have never been able to get into the palace to save the emperor after finding out the Huns survived their first attack. And if it weren’t for Elenor (Merida’s mom) helping her, Merida wouldn’t have been able to give that speech which finally brought together their 4 kingdoms after years of tension. So yes, even the “strong” princess needed help and weren’t afraid accept it when it was offered.
@@destinyclark4133well yeah but even without their help you can see them grow and face challenges that at the beginning of the movie they wouldn’t have been able to tackle Rest of the Disney princesses don’t really do much
As a little girl, I never viewed disney stories as princes saving princess. I saw it as the girls (the main character), the kindest, hard working, has ambitions/dream, loving, but often mistreated, victimized or poor. And for all that they've gone through in the end they get the love of a prince. So I see it as a good karma/reward/win after hardship.
Belle was never waiting to be saved in the first place anyway. She gave up her freedom to save her father. She did this knowing that she may never leave the castle again.
I think people forget that many of these princesses grew up in very terrible conditions, losing parents, being abused, so they want to find someone that truly loves them and leave their situations. Are we really going to say that someone who does that is weak? Because pretty sure in the real world if someone is able to do that we usually call it success.
Today's generations have a skewed idea of love, relationships, and femininity. Basically, it's seen as something weak or dumb to want. The fact that these women believe that feminism is only about being a "girl boss" and not wanting a family or partner is just so not what feminism is about. Feminism is about HAVING A CHOICE. If a woman CHOOSES to have a partner and kids, fine. If she chooses to be a career woman, fine. If she wants to do both, fine. If she doesn't wanna do anything, fine! But these actresses are influencing girls that have the aspirations of becoming a wife and mother and paint it as something horrible.
I think we think the kind of love they show in these films are stupid. Some of the earlier films were when the princess met the prince she fell in love with and it was all "true love saves the day" and "happily ever after" after only knowing this guy for days. Real love is messy, it's pure and sometimes it's difficult. True love is finding someone who you would fight through all of that for. I didnt mind that these princesses fell in love and they chose to love that particular man, but I hated the way that they showed love. Just as something that you did and then it was smooth sailing through marriage. Its not seen as bad, at least for me, to want to be in love, it's just unrealistic and I don't think that we should teach people that love is something that you just get and keep. You have to work at it, think Morticia and Gomez Addams. They may be very strange but they have one of the healthiest relationships on screen. It's why I loved Princess and the Frog, maybe there was attraction from the beginning but the relationship wasn't founded until they had a good basis on what the other was like and their shared love maps. Beauty and the beast may be a similar one too.
It’s a fucking fairy tale … make belief something to take you out of your everyday life … I grew up on these and not once have I ever thought oh life must be exactly like a fairytale for fucks sake … there’s different movies for different ppl… if you don’t get it that’s fine .. but don’t say there is anything wrong with the classics just cz it’s not your taste
@@eleanorcooke7136your comment made me realize that this fairytale love stories are so toxic for lil girls. You're right, there is no prince charming in real life, infact girls need to save themselves from alot of the "princes" out there. We have to look out for ourselves. The Disney princesses who endured their hard lives and still came out strong and didn't lose their softness, kindness and all that is admirable. But yeah, 'the prince charming saves the day' isnt a healthy thing to be taught nor grounded in reality for the real kind of relationships.
We don't need to make every character be like "I don't need a man" "I don't need to be saved" for them to be good characters. Every person is different and there is nothing wrong with being soft, kind, romantic and wanting a family or stability. I love the way Elle defended Aurora's femininity and how beautiful it is. Snow White and Cinderella were abused yet so kind and hardworking and loving. Aurora was a shy hopeless romantic who wanted love and dreaminess. Ariel was curious but she was also an impulsive and rebellious teen with a crush. She wasn't exactly strong independent, she was stubborn. There's no need to fake it. Belle was a nerd, smart and inventive. She didn't wanna settle down with just anyone, she wanted to do something more in life, something exciting. Jasmine is actually the only one among all of these who did actually want to be independent and free and not be seen as a property.
I also think Jasmine didn't want to be in an arranged marriage but she wanted to marry out of love.Honestly the arranged marriage thing was handled better with her than Merida (my least favorite princess)
@@CasuallyCruelCrushesClub Well she just felt like a lazy rehashing of Ariel and Jasmine to me. Schaffrilis summed it up pretty well and there was a video about Brave that also summed it up too but also because she did try to poison her mom I know she didn't mean to turn her mom into a bear but from my memory she was still trying to make her mom sick. I also just didn't like the movie in general.
@@cheshirerose2001 Though I like her, I totally get your point. I think Merida had potential and she could've been really awesome if done right. She was ALMOST a masterpiece but not quite.
@@cheshirerose2001She wasn't trying to get her mom sick, she was trying to make her change (still isn't great but they had a fight and Merida was not thinking). Her mom was very strict and tried to arrange her in marriage (she didn't have Ill intent but it's not a great thing to do). Merida made a mistake and tried to fix it. You can see throughout the movie that she regretted her decision. I also think Merida is very different from Ariel and Jasmine. Ariel was interested in the human world, Jasmine wanted to be free from the palace and meet people, Merida wanted freedom but she also wanted to mend the bond with her mother (which is practically the main plot) and both her and her mother had to realize they were both in the wrong. It's perfectly fine if you don't like the movie but Merida was very different to most of the princesses.
Emma Watson saying that Belle, compared to any other Disney princess, wasn't waiting to be saved, was 100% false. Mulan is the most major example. She saved her father, her army, and her country. The entire movie didn't show any romantic interest between Chang and her until the VERY END. Another example is Elsa. She didn't need a man she needed to find herself and make things right with Anna. Anna helped her but she helped Anna too. The sisterhood dynamic of that movie was incredible. Another example is Pocahontas and Ariel who actually have very similar stories. John Smith and Eric didn't entirely save them, they saved each other. They weren't waiting to be saved it just so happened that in their search for a world outside of what they know, they came across a man and fell in love. Falling in love doesn't mean they were waiting on a man to save them, it's a totally normal and natural occurrence in many people's journey's of greater things beyond. Ariel saved Eric from Ursula and vise versa. They helped each other, and Pocahontas saved John Smith from her father and she saved her people and Johns people from a bloodbath war, and John Smith saved Pocahontas and her people from his people. It's a pretty mutual dynamic and both showcase the power of masculinity and femininity coming together and having a beautiful outcome.
I think each Disney princess is strong in her own way. Snow White and Cinderella both lost their parents and were forced to be housekeepers in their own homes by their stepfamilies, but remained kind and compassionate and empathetic and hardworking despite it all. Both of them could have lived on their own and maintained beautiful homes and cooked and worked for themselves if princes weren’t included which are great life skills. Snow White cleaned and cooked for the dwarves in order to stay, so she wasn’t a freeloader. And she became their beloved friend as well. Cinderella was kind to her animals friends and even Lucifer, who gave her nothing but trouble, and her mouse friends, the birds and Bruno all came to help her because of her kindness and love toward them. She didn’t go to the ball because she wanted to marry the prince, she went to dress up and have fun for herself. The prince was just a surprise. Aurora was kind and sweet and loving and patient as well. Maybe she didn’t have great intuition or whatever, but she was raised all alone in a forest by three fairies without anyone else around. She was kind to all the animals and was willing to give everyone a fair chance. She only touched the spinning wheel because Maleficent used her powers to screw with her mind. Ariel was one of the more ‘acting my own age’ Disney princesses by being rebellious and ‘snarky’ with her father. But she was kind and passionate and brave and determined. She was already fascinated by the human world before Eric, he was just the final push she needed. And because of Ariel and then Melody, the land people and the sea people could live harmoniously again. Belle was smart and witty and kind hearted and brave. She wasn’t out for a man and didn’t even like Adam/the Beast at first. But she didn’t leave him behind after he saved her and so they began to respect each other as human beings, before friendship and then love followed. Belle showed us that beauty lies within. Mulan was brave and courageous and family oriented and determined. She was terrified, but would rather risk her own life than have her father die in battle. And she prevailed against all odds. Once again, she wasn’t setting out for romance. Shang was just a perk that came along with her journey. And Jasmine was one of the first #girlboss princesses ever in my opinion. She was sassy, brave, headstrong, but kind and compassionate. She refused to be reduced to a trophy wife and was prepared to rule after her father passed the crown to her. She didn’t let anyone bully her, she just wanted her independence. And once again, she didn’t set out for romance. She wanted freedom, but Aladdin was a perk in that story. He saw her as Jasmine, not the Princess of Agrabah and Heiress Apparent to the Throne. All of these women, the ‘older’ lineup of Disney princesses, were strong and independent in their own ways. I watched these movies as a child and never once believed I had to marry a man and be a wife to be happy when I grew up. I wanted to be a princess, for sure, as many little girls do, but I loved their songs and fancy dresses and all that. I didn’t really care about the princes and the love story aspects until I was older. The Disney remakes have a bad habit of ‘feminizing’ female characters that didn’t need that at all, they were already feminists and strong characters in their own ways, just different ways. You don’t need to be muscular and wield a sword to be a hero; your kindness and your heart is what makes you a hero 😁 that’s what the Disney princesses taught me
Lily wasn’t wrong tho it depends in the context. The people at the premiere were saying that her Cinderella wasn’t strong but she was explaining that she was strong just not the type of ‘strong’. At the end of the movie she wasn’t expecting to be saved, thanks to the mouses Prince heard her voice. But if not she was willing to stay because she was strong enough to forgive
Love Lilly 🩵🩵🩵 the live action for Cinderella was given justice 🩵 Elle completely understanding that Aurora's femininity was her strength and Naomi's words were so spot on 🩵
i loved elle, naomi, and halle’s portrayals so much because it was such a beautiful combination of women who are in love and vulnerable and sweet, but also who have these big dreams that they will fight for. i loved how they portrayed a healthy balance of both
“Love is not weak or ridiculous. It's actually really amazing” - Disney’s Descendants Honestly I wish that Disney actually stood by their own quote… because love is definitely NOT weak.
There’s a reason Aladdin is one of the best live actions and frankly I think it improved the original, it’s nice to see Naomi Scott getting Jasmine and Elle Fanning understanding Aurora
Nah, Aladdin is far from being one of the best. It's just okay, Will Smith is the best part, everything else surround him was bad, Jafar was way worse than i expected
The og Cinderella was actually proactive when trapped by her stepmother, even coming up with solutions to help. Whilst the new Cinderella twirled around her room and singing while her mouse friends do all the work to save her.
There’s that awful line in the 2015 Cinderella about her being ‘content with her memories’ when locked up! What?! The og Cinderella was defiant, constantly talking back to her stepfamily, she’s even snide and a little rude at their expense (like when she jokes about her music lessons) and berates Lucifer whenever she can. She’s got strength and dimensions, wit and intelligence. As you say, she directed her own rescue and was the one to think of fetching Bruno and she saves the day with the other slipper in her pocket (the Prince isn’t even there?!). I can’t stand take-downs of Cinderella when they clearly just haven’t watched it in ages. I love her strength, her resolve to continue getting through each day in the face of extreme adversity whilst remaining good and kind. The real clincher to test whether people’s Cinderella memory is right is to ask what colour her dress is, cause most will say blue, when it’s silvery white in the original, and it just shows that their conception of Cinderella is based on wider Disney Princess marketing and not the film itself. I like Lily James, but her Ella is written as such a passive doormat for lack of a better phrase; she just meekly accepts her fate at every turn without any apparent interiority to her.
The only one I saw who even slightly had a grasp on her character was Elle. Much respect to her for that. Cinderella was an abuse victim who just wanted a night off to be treated like an equal. Belle chose to trade her freedom for her fathers. She chose to go back to the castle with Adam after he saved her from the wolves. She chose to return and try to save him when the village mobbed up. She was never a passive character. Jasmine “i am not a prize to be won” never had a problem speaking her mind or standing up for herself. She wanted freedom, friendship, and love. The chance to explore and experience the world. Ariel longed of being human before she ever saw prince eric. She didn’t give up her voice for a guy. She gave up her voice because her father wouldn’t respect or support her dream and the sea witch manipulated her. Its become trendy to take these characters out of context and twist them into patriarchal relics that need “empowering” but these women were already complex and wonderfully feminine role models to begin with. They didn’t need modernizing.
Why do they have to ruin the og princesses? Its not wrong to want love and to find happiness with someone. Not everything needs to be a boss loner bitch. Being a kind gentle motherly figure is beautiful and empowering too
The Cinderella remake and Maleficent movies actually did a really good job emphasising how Cinderella and Aurora’s kindness and hopefulness is what made them strong. They didn’t turn them into warrior princesses, like what the Snow White remake seems to be doing. With Belle and Jasmine they definitely did add more ‘woke feminism’ to their characters for the remakes, but those changes weren’t as extreme for them since the animated versions were already a bit like that (though I agree with others that Emma Watson’s insistence on removing most of Belle’s girly traits was a bit too much). Turning Snow White into a warrior it a total 180 compared to the animated movie.
No one is saying that there's anything wrong with being a kind, gentle motherly figure who desires love. Ffs. The issue is that being presented as the ONLY personality type, that they always need a man to save them, and that their only motivation is finding a man. Look at newer Disney movies, like Moana & Frozen. In Frozen, its Anna's gentle, unconditional love that saves Elsa. In Moana, she's independent and motivated by her intense curiosity, but she's also gentle and empathetic when needed. The characters in these two movies have well-rounded complex personalities, they aren't helpless maidens with one note personalities.
Cinderella: Was used and abused by her step mother and step sisters. Her only desire was to: *go to the ball.* Even when she met the prince, she *left* when the fairy godmother told her to. She stood up to her mother and sisters who tried to hide her away because she was the one *the prince* wanted to be with. Ariel: She was a mermaid who was in love with the *human world.* she ventured to the surface, and had a grotto filled with human things long before she even *met* eric. When she falls in love after *she* saved *him,* they bond on the surface and procede to *safe each other* from Ursula. Had she not met Eric, she still would’ve longed for the surface. A handsome Prince was just a bonus. I could go on, but my point is, I’m so sick of people saying that the original princess weren’t strong or competent. Or that everything they did was “for a man” because with the exception of Snow White, that is such a lie. And even in Snow Whites case, she wanted love and found it-why is that wrong??
Even Snow White, whose dreams specifically mention a prince, works her butt off through the entire movie. The first time we see her, she’s scrubbing the courtyard, and the first thing she does upon arriving at the cottage is say “let’s get this place cleaned up.” She’s never sitting back expecting to be waited on hand and foot.
You’re completely right. People see what they want to see because they have their minds already made up. These young women are more than their partners, they always have been.
My favourite has to be Belle because she was passionate about educating herself in a time period where it wasn't a norm for women to do so. She also was an extremely brave woman riding off to save her father and she sacrificed her freedom for her fathers. Further more she fell inlove with the beast because of what she saw inside of his heart, not knowing he was a Prince with riches. That was true love. I also loved Jasmine because she was headstrong and wanted to rule her fathers kingdom despite that it was taboo for a woman ruler. Further more she fell inlove with a "street rat" instead of a lavish Prince because again she saw what was in his heart and also how it made her feel when she was with alladin.
Education in France during Belles time was normal for women. Most women besides peasants then no one was reading. Belle originally came from a well off family. Where it was normal to read and write.
@@ladyofnoxus6733 Sort of? Part of the reason live action Belle came across such opposition is because she was in a rural town. People were needed to work, so education - especially for women unfortunately, was on a lower priority. Education for women in 18th Century France may have been available to all social classes...but that was if you were in a cosmopolitan area.
And its important to note that yes all that information is incredible to know and learn now as I am in my 30s, then you for that honestly, but as a kid around 3 or 4 when I watched it all I thought about is she's not afraid to be different from the rest and fell inlove with a beast because of his heart. I grew up always being different from the environment around me. Never truly fitted in with the rest.
@@beckyweiss6072I feel like this revision really hurt the remake. The point wasn’t that the villagers were misogynistic and evil, the point was that people are suspicious of people who are different, and decent people who are scared can be manipulated by those with malicious intent. Revising them to hate Belle’s new industrious nature was a really odd choice that removed a lot of nuance from the story.
Cinderella didn't wait for any prince heck she didn't know he was the prince and in the end her animal friends freed her not the prince they returned the kindness she showed them, Cinderella remained kind despite abuse and so she got good karma not internalizing abuse and not repeating the cycle or becoming jaded and cynical takes so much strength of character in her own way Cinderella is one of the strongest princesses, she didn't have super powers or a solid safety network yet she kept hope and kept being kind despite everything and at no point did she look for romance, not that romance is bad but the fact is she didn't, she just wanted a night out, her dreams were of escaping abuse and finally getting some agency, it's so unfair to blame a young victim of abuse especially a female victim in medieval times where they weren't given means of self reliance What was she supposed to do become homeless? abandoning her home and animal friends and starve in the streets ? fight madame Tremaine ? As if that would solve her problems she'd just be kicked out painted as a terrible ungrateful step daughter by society Patience and kindness and optimism in the face of abuse are underrated qualities that not many can practice
Ironically the movie embraced her femininity while the actress....didn't. LOL. The directors understood the assignment, the actress did the assignment didn't understand it.
Plus the home was her late father’s home. If she abandoned it to be homeless on the streets, she would’ve lost everything that kept her connected to her family
Jasmin is such a great example of a clearly strong princess who also falls in love in her story, many stories have both aspects but to me it was one of the clearest examples
My two most favorite Disney princesses have always been Jasmine and Pocahontas. And they're very different. Pocahontas is very family oriented and honorable, she's a strong natural leader for her people, but she also loves a white man and is trying to balance her love for him and her love for her people. Jasmine is sassy but she's still a romantic and believes very much in love and marrying for love and that's her main desire in the movie is to marry for love. I think it's good and important to have all shades of femininity instead of trying to make every female character a "strong woman" in the most stereotypical ways.
A little bit oof on the Pocahontas part when you consider that she spent most of her childhood as a settler POW, was forcibly converted to Christianity, was married off to a white guy in his 30s when she was only a teenager and was never a leader to her people, and in fact moved to England and was paraded around by the British aristocracy as an example of a “civilized savage”, a Native American person who could be abducted and sufficiently brainwashed into abandoning their heritage and culture.
@@SarastistheSerpent I'm referring to the Disney movie only, not history. I'm also speaking about my perception of her as a seven year old child....when I was a kid this is how I saw her (in the Disney movie) and it was why I loved her character and repeatedly watched that movie over and over...as a little kid I cared not for historical accuracy, I just thought this character was the coolest - I would literally spend hours in my yard pretending to be her... and you're gonna try to shame my past seven year old self for loving a Disney movie because it lacked historical accuracy?? No. Just stop it.
@@jasminelblack2047 I’m native and watching that film as a 7 year old disturbed me. Sorry you like watching a white savior film, maybe that’s exactly why you like it, where an 11 year old was sexualized by Disney and made her look like a hot 18 year old and the “good whites” save the day. It’s not just about how they chose to represent a victim of sex trafficking, it’s how they represented Native American culture. It’s disgusting.
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with most people's opinion of Cinderella being "weak" and waiting to be "saved." Being kind to those who have mistreated you for years requires a special kind of strength most don't have. And her finding love at the ball was just a bonus.
Snow White was an abused child yet she fought to survive. She was kind in a cruel world. She was independent and took care of a house and several people like a mother. Most 14 y/os i know don't even know to make a cup of tea lol
I think that it’s weird that Emma Watson says that Belle, at the time, was the only Disney Princess she saw growing up that wasn’t “waiting for a prince to save her.” I genuinely cannot name a single Disney princess movie that came out during Emma Watson’s childhood where the princess was just waiting around for a prince to save her. For context, I’m including movies from 1937 to 2008, which would have been movies Emma Watson would presumably have had available to watch during her childhood. These movies are: Snow White (1937) Cinderella (1950) Sleeping Beauty (1959) The Little Mermaid (1989) Beauty and the Beast (1991) Aladdin (1992) Pocahontas (1995) Mulan (1998) There are of course some notable mentioned such as The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996), Hercules (1997), and Atlantis (2001). However, I think it’s safe to assume that the women from these movies aren’t typically what people are referring to when they say “Disney Princesses” even though the women from these movies technically are. Snow White and Aurora are probably the two most obvious characters for people to point fingers to when people talk about princesses “waiting around for a prince to save them.” But I think that it’s important to recognize that they never actually wait for a guy to save them. They both find men that they have crushes on and the men do technically “save” them by the end of the movie, but they’re both just kind of vibing with their current circumstances until a literal magic spell is cast on them that then prompts the princes to save them. They’re not waiting for someone to pluck them out of their current lives, they’re perfectly capable of finding their own happiness before the princes come along and do just that. A similar case can be made for Cinderella and Ariel. Cinderella wasn’t waiting for the prince to “save” her from her abusive family. She went to the ball as an act of defiance to take some control back for herself and her life. She just so happens to meet the prince. If she was expecting the prince to save her, wouldn’t she have just stayed with him past midnight? She didn’t expect him to help her and it’s only after she learns that he’s looking for her that she ever entertains the idea of letting him help her out of the situation. It’s not like the prince just so happened upon her and decided to save her from her current situation. Cinderella took every opportunity she could think of throughout the movie to get away. She accepts the dress from the mice and tries to go to the ball with her family. When that doesn’t work she goes behind their backs. When she’s locked up in her room after her step-mom finds out she was the mystery girl who captured the prince’s heart, she escapes. She seeks out the prince and presents the missing glass slipper after her step-mom breaks the one the prince has. These are all decisions that *she* makes. Same thing can be said for Ariel. The prince isn’t the one who convinces her to leave the ocean, it’s Ariel’s father destroying her collection that finally drives her to finally make a deal with Ursula to become human. Ariel is the one who woos the prince so that she can keep her end of the bargain. Ariel’s the one who saved the prince to begin with. And she’s the one who decides to live with the prince even though she no longer “needs” him to live as per her contract with Ursula. Jasmine, Mulan, and Pocahontas are all also very obvious examples besides Belle of princesses who debuted during Emma’s childhood that were all very against getting married. Hell, in their movies, it’s Jasmine, Mulan, and Pocahontas that do a lot of the saving in the end. Jasmine distracts Jafar, Mulan literally saves China and defeats the bad guy, Pocahontas literally gets between John and her dad, stopping him from clubbing him to death. Like to say that Belle was the *only* Disney Princess movie she saw growing up where the princess wasn’t just waiting for someone to save her when you have clear examples of characters who were going against all of that is just kinda dumb to me. Especially when, again, you have other examples such as Esmerelda, Megara, and Princess Kida, who may not have been official Disney princesses, but still came out during her childhood showing strong female leads who weren’t solely looking for husbands in their male counterparts is just insane to me. I mean, I think the only princess who was actually waiting for a prince to save her during Emma’s childhood was Giselle from Enchanted, and even that’s sort of pushing it because not only was Emma 17 when Enchanted came out, putting her right at the edge of what most people would consider adolescence (even though I personally consider a person to be an adolescent until their brain’s fully matured, which typically happens at around 25/26), Giselle was meant to be a parody of what people thought Disney Princesses were like. And, just like the others mentioned before, Giselle isn’t what most people are referring to when they say “Disney Princess.” And even if we were to stretch the timeline further into what I considered to be the very end of adolescence, which for Emma would have occurred in 2015/2016, you have princesses like Tiana, Rapunzel, Merida, and Elsa, all Disney Princesses who were explicitly not waiting around for someone else to save them. The only exception to that would have been Ana which, again, similar to Giselle, her falling in love with Hans and planning on getting married was both meant to poke fun at people’s idea of Disney Princesses *and* serve to show how a lifetime of isolation and being denied love made her insanely vulnerable to the manipulation of strangers.
Ok so, Snow White is a little more complex...she was waiting for a prince to come and save her - HOWEVER, she ended up saving herself. And her singing the song to the Dwarves also I think shows that Snow White was also just wanting genuine love, something that goes beyond "waiting for a man to save her." The prince literally "just happened" to wander across Snow White sleeping in her glass coffin and woke her up XDDD. But everything else, yes. Aurora was also a victim of circumstance, but that's not really her fault? The plot kinda designed it to be that way and compared to the downright *horrific* original story, Aurora had a great deal more agency in the movie. Also, Gaston was apparently an original character created for Beauty and the Beast- which very much surprised me. He made the story much darker, but he was also a well crafted villain. I attempted to read the original story but couldn't get through it bc it was dull as hell. The original tale also went on huge tangents about the faerie world and I was constantly confused lol.
Pocahontas was a disgusting white savior film that should’ve never been made. Disney sexualized a genocided sex trafficked 11 year old, who died from disease at a young age. I don’t think parents should be including that film as something their children, especially daughters, should be watching.
Esmerelda and Megera are not princesses, just female Disney characters. Giselle doesn't count either because she didn't marry Edward. The rest I agree. I'm a fan of Emma and this was a bad take.
@@pinkkrystalz7610 I know they’re not considered Disney princesses, I said so in my original comment. It’s also why i included them as honorable mentions rather than in the actual list. The rules for what constitutes a Disney Princess are strange. The main rules are that they must be human, female, and a main character in a movie that isn’t a sequel. It’s reasons like this that Ariel is considered an official Disney Princess, but her daughter, Melody, isn’t. There’s other rules such as they’re not allowed to be main characters in their own sequels (another reason why Ariel is still considered a Disney Princess since the main character of “her” sequel is Melody), which is why Tinkerbell, who was originally considered to be a Disney Princess despite not being human, not being a main character, and didn’t have an animal sidekick (another rule is they should have animal sidekicks) was removed from the official lineup around 2005. It’s also why Anna and Elsa are not (officially) recognized as Disney princesses, because they’re main characters in a sequel. If you’re curious, the official lineup consists of Raya, Tiana, Moana, Mulan, Belle, Pocahontas, Snow White, Cinderella, Rapunzel, Merida, Jasmine, Aurora, and Ariel. You also don’t necessarily need to be of royal blood (or married to a royal) in order to be considered a princess. Mulan isn’t of royal blood and neither is Li Shang, but she’s considered a Disney Princess because they bent the rules and included that you can become a princess by committing an act of heroism. It’s also worth noting that Esmerelda actually used to be considered a Disney Princess up until 2005, but was removed because Disney didn’t consider her as marketable as other Disney princesses.
Cinderella never waited for a prince. Her story is about being resilient even in hard and unfair situation. The prince was just her reward. Snow White’s story is more about her and the dwarves then her and the prince. It was a story about community that despite her tribulations she worked hard and saw a better tomorrow. Something that meant a lot to the people watching it in the 30’s the time of economic turmoil. People treat one aspect of their character like it’s the only one but there is nothing wrong with having and wanting and giving love and being passive isn’t weak. It takes lots of patience and wisdom to not retaliate at any little Inconvenience. Lots of the time those who hold their tongue realize their own self worth and know that silence is often the best answer as spewing out quick pain only escalates a situation to a problem bigger then it initially was. Only jabbing back when a clear line is crossed. We shouldn’t teach children to fight back to everything that they feel slightly upset over. We should teach them how to make healthy boundaries.
Tbh most princes didn’t save the princesses ,they weren’t even aware of what was happening and maybe one of the only characters,who was not even w prince but a thief was actually flynn rider from tangled
U took her comment out of context.....he was talking about the original belle character who unlike most Princesses was into reading and adventure..... although she is wrong about belle being the only one....coz on surface level it might be true... almost all other disney princesses had a personality beyond the boys....its just hard for modern Hollywood to realise that coz they are just brain dead
Which by you just saying that is doing exactly the same thing. You think Emma being supportive of all women is somehow attacking all women. But it’s not.
I'm very feminine and I never understand why people like to try and change feminine women. It's ok to want love. It's ok to want to give to your family and the people you love . We all make the world go round
@@darcoiriz And the other ones they where all very independent jasmine literally pull vaulted over a alley way first try and honestly I think snow white would be set for life if it wasn’t for the evil queen. I mean she found a job a place to live all in the same day and she got seven new loving family members.
@@darcoirizI don’t know, the only part where they are technically waiting is literally when they are sick and basically dying. Sleeping Beauty is more about the fairies than Aurora, but in the parts where she is a main character, she’s just vibing in the woods and having good craic. Snow White is actually pretty active from the second the huntsman takes her out to be killed. You should give the film another go, some of it is a little outdated, but Snow White is much stronger than anyone gives her credit for
We should just accept that you can be strong and independent and still fall in love and be vulnerable. The whole point of a relationship is that you have one person with which you can feel safe enough to let your guard down and just be.
My whole life I felt like being feminine was a bad thing, that I had to be strong I couldn't show emotions, I am a 34 year old woman for context, I never had barbies, never learned to do my make up, never did things other girls did because I thought being a girly girl was a bad thing, I felt I had to hide how much I loved dolls, Sailor moon, Dresses, the color Pink, Pastels, etc. Media really likes to tell us how we should look, and act.
Yea my mom tried to raise me something like that. It didn't go too well, I still have to fight with myself everytime I wear something more then a basic shirt and pants. Felt extremely self-conscious and bad wearing or a skirt , dress or a new shirt . Never wear makeup it was always seen as a bad thing and only put up your hair up if it's situation called for it. I never had the option of doing something girly like that. Felt like i was stripped in a weird way. Not saying that being tomboyish is wrong but if you don't give the kids the option and you only force them into one it's not healthy, at least in my experience XD
The whole "girl boss" thing started as a way to show young girls that it was okay to be boyish. But now the idea is being pushed SO MUCH young girls are now starting to believe being anything less than a girl boss is wrong.
Loved Emma so much even after the casting were announced but during the promotion of release it's really sad 💔 even in her you can see the contrast on what she's saying 💔 she have good intentions but has misunderstood the things she was so against with 💔
I love Lilly’s live action Cinderella because they didn’t make her aggressive she was always kind and her kindness is what made her stronger. When the step mother locks in her room Cinderella instead of trying to get out she instead remembers the fond time she had with Kit and feels that is enough for her if she were to be locked away. So in a way I don’t understand when Lily James said Cinderella wasn’t waiting to be saved when in the original,Cinderella is literally trying so hard to escape she didn’t wait for Prince Charming but in the Live action she basically waited to be saved not that its a bad thing. But it’s like them trying to make feminism about girls not needing love or a prince and thinking she’s so strong for that. Belles Live action is truly horrible how is it they couldn’t cast a better Belle and let Emma take all the shots. She was so mean that I even felt bad for Gaston because he literally was kind to her but Emma’s Belle was so rude.
Naomi really played her role as Jasmine very strongly and beautifully, Aladdin is in my opinion one of the best live action adaptation that Disney made. Also, Aurora
Cinderella went to the ball to have a good time a good dance , and she left the prince literally on the doorstep, seriously these people played the role of the strong feminine princess and didn’t even understand their own character
Love is such a powerful emotion. You hear stories about how people risk their lives and literally gain superhuman strength to save someone they love. Even if it’s not physical strength, the mental and emotional strength one gets from being in love isn’t something to be ignored. If anything, I’m glad that the backlash that some of these actresses got from their comments has led to people going back to the originals.
Being romantic isn’t weak. Making love your whole personality, reason for existence, driving motivation and whole entire story plot is what makes you weak. If you are nothing without your love interest, you aren’t an actual character. You’re…idk, a foil.
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I love how Elle understood how Aurora is strong in her own way and that there are different kinds of strength.
But she needs the guy to get out of her situation. Not that strong 😉
I love Elle Fanning.
@@juliamoon6562 hell hath no fury like a woman scorned... Maleficent was scorned, she was the most powerful Fairy in her land. She will protect both Aurora and Philip.
As she should!!! I think that is what positive feminism is ❤ A PERSON can be strong at the same time have weakness (falling in love is not a weakness, it's more of a motivation) Accepting yourself and using that as your strength ❤️
As I get older the more and more I see soft femininity being beaten with a stick and spat on. Which is pretty toxic.
Naomi Scott and Elle Fanning are 100% right on this. There's nothing wrong or weak with falling in love
I love the interviews with Naomi and Elle ❤ I want my future kids to grow up with their representation of womanhood
No one thinks that falling in love is weak or wrong. But finding love being your ONLY life goal is a bit alarming
No one questions how Aladdin’s goal was to fool Princess Jasmine that he was a rich prince. Now if Jasmine was into a man people would condemn her.
@@whitedragoness23 that's what he had to pay for in the movie though? Jasmine was disappointed in him and he had to make up for it. In a sense, that was part his character growth; he learned to have dignity, sincerity and honor... and not see himself as just a lowly street rat and see Jasmine like a prized possession of the Sultan that he has to win over by being a rich prince himself (because she felt like he was objectifying her).
@@AiSyYoo Aladdin had to pay by being honest to Jasmine and confess to her. Not only that but to do the right thing and possiable lose the chance to marry her. By that time he had proven himself worthy of her. Unlike the other suitors he fought to save her and the kingdom. He was a hero and even gave up his last wish to prove he would be honest and not make himself a prince again and take the easy way out.
Jasmine didn’t know if Aladdin was like the other suitors. They saw her as their chance to power and wealth and they were all stuck up as she mentions she didn’t like their attitudes. She came from money but wanted something real.
The suitors were fake and in some ways pretending despite their wealth. They didn’t want to get to know her and when push come to shove I’m sure they would just use her and try to control her like jafar. Jasmine didn’t want the illusion and wanted love as she stated. That was why she was so harsh on Aladdin because she’s seen as nothing more than a link to status and power. Not for herself
Naomi recognized the independence and steadfastness of Jasmine and at the same time accepting the idea of a supportive partner who will also be with her along the way.
Although I didn't like her singing segment, I truly liked her a lot more in this live adaptation. Animated Jasmine had good qualities and ideals, but most of the time she got under my skin rather painfully. Live action? Indeed a good future leader without losing her feminity and pose as a princess.
@@rosavillanueva5189agree.. it is rare for me to love the live action princess more than the animated..
But mind asking, why do u dislike the singing segment?
Her singing was great, but i guess that's not the reason..?
@GReyn separate person but i agree about not liking her song. It felt like a nothing sandwich to me I suppose. I was excited for her character to have a song, but it felt like it was just made and put there just to say she got it rather than to serve her character or the story. Maybe I need a rewatch. It's been a while
@@nomemeshere4807 ahhh so it's a problem 8n regards to its connection to the story.. understandable.. imo it fits, but felt off..
Because it fits with the way tbey direct the storg, but feels like it is a bit much.. at least that's how i look at it..
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I love how Naomi Scott talked about Jasmine though, she really gets her character
Yeah. That's the point of the video. Only she and Elle Fanning really understand their character.
@@jollyquinn430 and Halle Bailey too? She made all the right points
@@joemama8595exactly!
Snow white and Cinderella were abused by family members for YEARS, and they didn't let that cruelty influence them. They kept being kind to others, did their best and if that's not strength I don't know what is.
Ironically the live action Cinderella nailed her strength but the actress misses the mark HARD in her interview. So the director understood the assignment and directed the actress to make sure she did her part.
Cinderella IS actually “hoping” to be saved.. and what can she do abour her situation? She's a literal child who can not fend for herself.. she's actually pragmatic and wise. Did what she has to do to survive.
Already accepted her fate and just wanted a fun night at a party so she can have a taste of freedom and agency. But then the prince liked her, maybe had a spark while dancing with her first time. Anyone would take the chance IF someone offered them an escape from the abusive household. What is wrong with that.
@@beckyweiss6072 I was gonna say the same thing. The remake made it really clear that Cinderella’s kindness is what makes her strong.
woww yeah so true!!🎯🎯
Exactly
Cinderella wanted a night off. Belle wanted to ditch her provincial town. Ariel already wanted to be part of the human world. The princes were just along the ride. An added bonus if you will. Falling in love doesn't make them less strong.
The reason that people think so is the attitude towards love that they show in the films. Its the idea of "we're in love so now everything will be perfect" but no, love is messy, it requires work so the idea of a woman just falling in love then everything goes right can seem like "waiting for a prince". Like Cinderella did so much to get herself to the ball and then she falls in love with the prince and then pretty much all her problems stop. Its such a shallow view on love that it makes falling in love seem bad too. Princess and the Frog had it right. There was attraction there but they never even thought of taking it seriously until they knew each other and got a feel for each other's love map.
Exactly its this new age feminist! This wasn't what femininity was about. You could be strong and loveable and wanting love and kindness and be funny or anything. These actresses just regurgitate the same line its annoying
@@eleanorcooke7136valid points that i fully agree with, but that’s an entirely different argument from what the women in the video were saying. what they are missing is that being feminine or a romantic doesn’t make you weak, and all of these princesses had goals that didn’t necessarily involve a man (except maybe snow, but she was like 14, abused all her life, and also a product of her time, of course she’s gonna be a hopeless romantic) that keep being ignored because their storylines get unfairly boiled down. disney thinks everybody wants these “strong independent woman who doesn’t need a man” characters, and sure they’re nice, but they’re getting boring, and they imply that there’s something wrong with wanting to find love.
i really wish disney would just make more movies like the princess and the frog. keep the femininity and goals, while teaching kids about realistic love (not necessarily romantic) and how it can make you stronger.
this is so similiar with what Joe March (Little Women 2019) said🤍 So sick of what people think towards women that we only capable of love
And Jasmine wanted to go outside her palace for the first time.
If we are being honest, Cinderella in the original movie is more assertive than in the live action. In the live action she is unbelievably kind and tries to stay delusional that her stepmother and stepsisters don't hate her while in the original she is very aware how evil they are, but she still tries to find a way to stand her ground.
Yup, in the liveaction its like: you are an adult, you are well read and even know how to ride a horse! Why do you let yourself be pushed like that? In the animated it makes so much more sense because she literally grew up in that enviroment and had no socialnetwork that could help her escape, just the mice but how could they help? Not with money or shelter at least.
In the live qction she simply gives up and sings a sad song after being locked up eventhough the window is open! In the animated cinderella hammers agqinst the door and tries the best she can to get out of that room!
@@89taklung you didn't understand the live action movie then. It took the animated one and made it even better.
Live action Cinderella is strong and kind. She always held strong in what she believed in. Her situation, in the time that the story is supposed to take place in, is believable.
@@katiaotero2392 nope I think I do understand the live action quiet well and I fully disagree with it improving all around on the animated one. I stand by my asessment, whend i live action the father died she was already an adult, she hadn't grown up in misery like animated Cindy, so I find the courage and optimism of the animated cindy way more inspiring. Also it remains that in the end, when she gets locked up animated cindy keeps fighting, while live action cindy simply gives up. That has nothi g to do with being kind. She had been raised by her father be to be well educated, to speak her mind and think for herself, yet she just gives up. Animated cindy was raised in abuse as a mere slave, yet she fights for her dream.
I feel like the differences can be attributed to the differences in timelines. Animated Cinderella’s father has been dead for years, so she’s kind of learned to be more stoic in front of them. Live action Cinderella’s father died much later, so she was trying to give Tremaine a chance.
I don't think these women are aware that when you're in an abusive situation, you obviously want to get out of there, and sometimes wish someone, ANYONE, could save you. Cinderella was verbally, emotionally, economically, psychologically and physically abused by her stepmother and stepsisters. She didn't want a man to save her, she wanted to go to a freaking party with a pretty nice dress for ONE NIGHT and have fun, she wanted to escape her situation, and she just happened to fall in love in the process. Why is that such a bad thing? Why is love associated with weakness? Why is admitting you need help from someone else being seen as a weakness? I don't get it
PREACH!!!!!!
YES
I feel like Elle Fanning nailed it she knows that feminity should be celebrated and that there is strength in it
Versus masculinity being abhored? Who will build your bridges then? Whos going to clean the sewers, hmm? You lot seem to forget the struggles men go through also and they dont play victim, they bury their heads and get shet done. While modern women just complain about how men are ruining EVERYTHING (if he is, some women is behind him). This world is beyond EFFED, but ONLY the women matter, right? Yall dont need no man right? Go luck providing more children for the world to develop. Youll have to start enslaving men for sex if you want to progress humanity, or treating EVERYONE equally, DESPITE gender. Feminity and Masculity need to either STFU, or find way to WORK TOGETHER
Why is falling in love and yearning for him is portraited as a weakness
I don’t think it is myself. I don’t understand why it’s seen as a weakness
only bc in these stories, that is their entire character. Thats the problem. Arielle is the worst of all😂 And i loved the live action cinderella, that is the only live action movie that they did good.
@@ZoZoIb but it wasn’t. Ariel wanted to go on before ever meeting Prince Eric. Cinderella wanted to go to the ball before meeting her Prince. It’s a shame that their defining moment is that they wanted a man when it actually wasn’t
@@ZoZoIb but Ariel had a lifelong obsession with humans and the world above the sea, it is stated throughout the movie. That's her whole motive was to learn more about humans it's just her falling in love with Prince Eric was a second plot. He was not the cause for her motives and decisions to become a human.
@@ZoZoIb wdym? ariel's entire motive was to go to the human world, she wanted learn and explore humans and AFTER that she fell in love. ariel just wanted to be a part of that world.
“There was strength in her femininity“ my favorite answer right there
Elle Fanning knew exactly what makes Princesses so special, there’s such grace and beauty in their gentleness that other people will want to look up to
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I knew I liked Elle Fanning. She’s embracing the femininity of her character rather than being ashamed of it ❤❤
yes i really hate it when feminity , elegance , yearning for love is considered weakness and that women has to be a strong bad a** fighter so that she isnt considered weak or passive. and like maybe she doesnt NEED a prince but she wants one whats the big deal 🤷🏻♀️
@@salmaabed6962 what’s the big deal with being bad ass? you can be bad ass and be feminine.
@@getdownonit8753 I love badass girly girls
Who’s ashamed of femininity though? You can be strong and feminine at the same time.
@@getem7640a lot of the women here / Hollywood “creatives” have been misconstruing strength with only the masculine kind. Saying a woman “doesn’t need a man” and “is a badass warrior fighter” is missing the point entirely. Strength can come in the form of kindness, insightfulness, diligence, patience, softness(all things that are particularly feminine).
Wanting romance and being gentle is not a weakness. Hollywood today seems to think changing feminine characters to be more aggressive is not feminism. Much respect to Fanning
I call any self proclaimed feminist that rejects traditional feminity to be "faux feminists." Feminism is about embracing all women and how they express themselves.
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None of the live action Disney princesses were aggressive at all they just had purpose outside of the male leads and it is Feminism there is not one way or path to Feminism
@@majayyyyy7882 It's one thing when the man becomes less central. It's another when they make the female character have no flaws or weaknesses and give the male characters no strengths.
The people writing these characters (and people signing off on these projects) have no concept of what makes a good character and art is suffering for it... Not that remaking the same exact movie with different graphics and race/gender-swapped characters necessarily constitutes art.
@@Haylla2008 you must not have properly watched the live actions properly then cause the female characters did have flaws in Maleficent Auroras god mothers always talked about her issue being naive and trying to see the good in everyone even when they’re bad, in Beauty in the Beast Bells dad spoke about how she can be TOO independent and put to much stress on herself I would say the only live action princess they made too “perfect” was Cinderella but you can’t really bash the live action for that considering she was the exact same way in the original.
They live actions also gave the princes more depth nobody even knew the prince in Cinderella had a name before the live action they actually gave him a personality and story that made him appealing, in the original cartoon beauty and the beast the beast was borderline abusive to Bell and in the live action they completely toned that down also gave his character more depth.
The live actions did much better than the og movies especially with the Princess they gave them wayyy more substance if any thing the originals made the female leads with little flaws
Weird take:
We live in a generation where toxic masculinity is being applied to females.
Cinderella was a heck of an abuse victim who has been slaving herself away since her father died with no thanks. She managed to find _help_ and got a happy ending.
Now tell me, what does she _fricking_ get for all the crap she went through?
“All she cares about is a guy, she needs to be more independent, etc”.
People are telling her to “woman up”, because who cares if she was abused? She didn’t deserve to go to that party because she wasn’t “independent” enough.
Would anyone actually say that to an actual abuse victim seeking for help?
Besides, she just wanted to go to a fricking party. She just happened to rizz up the prince while she was there. What a queen.
Not that weird to me, honestly. Women are damned if they do and damned if they dont even in fiction. These women always try to overplay their roles like they rectified and mended a story that was perfectly fine for generations. Bish have a seat.
naomi, elle & halle do get their characters!
naomi knows jasmine can want & have control and power over her life while also having love and companionship; they're not mutually exclusive.
elle knows there's an inherent strength in being resilient & headstrong while still being soft, loving & nurturing; she's strong, soft & feminine, not in spite of those.
halle knows that what ariel has always wanted was to know more about the world above & be free to explore and learn, eric just added to her wish to go up the surface world. she knows her & eric became kindred spirits because they both wanted more freedom than what they were dealt with; ariel wants to learn, to explore & be free, but she also wants love and there's nothing wrong with that.
love these ladies 💜
Snow White literally sang her main song about how she wanted to find true love. Even though she was in a horrible abusive situation, she knew what she wanted, and she never gave up on her dream. How does that make her weak?
I think it's completely reasonable for someone to want love after receiving none from their family. Idk why that should be wrong.
Because they see that as the typical damsel in distress waiting for her prince as her song says "Someday my prince will come"
I'm not gonna see Snow-white movie, they already ruined it, and don't like the actress.
@@francescavinaveya3267 I still don’t see how that’s problematic for a 14-year-old abuse/ attempted murder survivor. But can’t please everybody I guess 🤷🏽♀️
@@gabbysivad6457 but also… in the movie, Snow White is 14, maybe younger, and the Prince is old as fuck… doesn’t directly tie into topic of this video, but movie also did really bad portrayal of her escaping her situation since she’s basically groomed…
Areal wanted to be human before she met Erik; Belle wanted to leave her town before she met the beast; Cinderella just wanted a night off and even ran away from her Prince. Don't belittle their struggles and the motives. It's so rude.
Ariel didn’t want to be human, she wanted to know more about the above world and to ask humans her questions about their life outside of the sea. The idea of becoming human was just brought up when Ursula said it (talking about the disney movie).
@@jessp.r.7181 “flipping your fins you don’t get too far; legs are required for jumping, dancing”. she knew the only way she could actually experience the human world was to… become a human. so this person is correct when they say she wanted to be human. that’s expressed several times throughout the movie.
@@jessp.r.7181 I think you're correct yet not, in the original tale she was happy to be human the only issue was that everytime she walked it felt like she was stepping on glass. Yet she still ran and danced and did other things. Sorry. I talk more about the actually stories as I do think Disney has watered down much of the plot and struggles of the characters.
*Ariel and Eric
Cinderella didn't run away from the prince because she wanted a night off. What are you on about? She ran away because everything would turn back to normal. Even her ride home. She wanted to get home before her step mother and sister found out she went to the ball so she wouldn't get in trouble. I guarantee you, if she was able to stay longer with the prince, she would've.
I will not stand for this Cinderella slander. Cinderella did not need to be stronger. She was already so, so strong and resilient. People are quick to dismiss that she suffered exactly because she wore her suffering with grace and poise. She became an orphan and was turned into a servant in her own home by cruel people who were supposed to be family and yet managed to still be kind and be gentle and look at the world around her and still see beauty. She was fighting to become a person she wanted to be and a person she knew her parents would be proud of everyday of her life in that house. While anyone else would have turned butter and angry at the world, she fought to keep that kindness instilled in her and nurtured it with her own hands. She didn't have Belle's father or her books, not Jasmine's or Ariel's stature as princesses, not even Aurora's fairies who raised her with love. All she had were the mice and the birds and a fairy godmother for ONE NIGHT. It's not weakness to need and accept help in being saved from hostile circumstances.
None of these Disney Princesses were "waiting on a man to save her." They were waiting for their opportunity to escape their lives and be something greater... it was an added bonus that they got their Happily ever after.
Aurora was cursed and needed a true loves kiss.
Cinderella wanted to have a dreamy evening with a prince, literally we could text on a personal level and I’d show you every clip
The only princess that wanted to be free from it all was jasmine alladin was only an extra in her quest of a free life from suitors and all of that so what exactly are you talking about
@@alexanderigoniwari5571 Cinderella did not want a dreamy evening with the Prince she just wanted to go to the ball and be like everyone else. The prince just happened to see her and pick her to dance. Aurora was cursed and therefore was forced to wait for someone to rescue her. I doubt she went looking for the prince as she'd interacted with him several times and tried to politely excuse herself out of discomfort of interacting with someone else as she wasn't used to it. Ariel just wanted to go on land and experience life up there and just so happened upon a drowning prince and saved him. He never saved her. Jasmine is exactly as you said. What I'm getting at here is that while the prince may have played some supporting role in the story they did very little in "saving" the princess. They did most of the work themselves.
@@MagnusXAlec4ever Ariel saw the prince and after pondering all her life on wether or not she should be above the waters,she met the prince on his boat after his dog did the thing, the “man” she saw gave her a reason to want to be part of his world, you see that? His the reason, sure at the end of the movie she saves him again but his the reason, that is the role he plays both of their roles are just as significant, there is no heated urge to want to “save femininity” or “empower women” that’s was not the intent of the movie and it shouldn’t be now, make accurate shit
@@MagnusXAlec4ever in the process of making it so feminine you reduce what the male characters are and their significance to the movie, you see how they say it like “we don’t need men”? They reduce the significance of the male character and if you support that then we wouldn’t even need to have this little chat
@@alexanderigoniwari5571 I'm confused. Where did I say anything about "saving femininity" or "empower women"? I was just saying that all these people acting like these stories were just Princesses waiting on someone to save them. It wasn't like that. They tried to live their life how they wanted and needed help. But in no way were they just sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting for rescue. I'll agree with you that both the princes and princesses played equal roles in the story in some cases. It's not about them not needing a man. They can have their happy ending but to make it out that they needed that man to save them diminishes what the princesses set out to do.
She wanted to go dancing, she wasn't looking for love, it just happened to find love and none of them are weak.
Agree not even Aurora was weak.
She put her duty as a princess above the life she knew because she knew that being there for her people was important
cmon stop the cap
@@bgos4727 obviously you haven't seen the original or read the brother's grim , either way Cinderella is a strong woman.
She wanted to meet the prince you asshole watch the movie again and learn right, she was out to see the prince just like everyone else, she literally heard the step mother talk about him and she went all dreamy what did you watch mate?
@@cheshirerose2001 what are you talking about she was cursed by a witch and slept through most of the movie only to wake up by true loves kiss not femininity loves kiss it’s fictional that’s the point of the movie, keep it fictional stop being inclusive and just enjoy the movie as it was, none of these movies these days are fairytale movies, they lost themselves and it is sad almost disappointed to see what they have become in recent days
Femininity is not a flaw ladies!
Exactly. It's ironic that feminism is against that... ironic in terminology.. but also this means masculinity wins again. They let "patriarchy" technically win 😅😅
Yup
@@Gamespectives Can you explain that? I have no idea what you mean?
@@alexkoppers7882 He’s saying it’s ironic that the very people who claim to be championing women, actually dislike feminine qualities and would rather model themselves after men.
@@crashout740 Right, although there is nothing wrong with women doing things that are considered masculin.
Aurora and jasmines actors don’t see falling in love as a weakness but as a strength. Love this.🩷
It actually shows how shallow these actresses are that they never saw what the princesses true story was about. Cinderella for instance was always caring and strong, if you watched the cartoon you would see that she was always like that. Snow White wanted love but is that really so bad?? Her story also shows how she can impact so many people with kindness and sternness and never giving up. I’m so sick of the Disney princess slander…everyone acting so high and mighty making these statements about the princesses when it is quite clear they all had an idea for how the princesses were, not actually what they were in their story. Also- LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL! Love is the most powerful thing in the world and these girls are acting like these princesses were tripping over themselves for a stupid guy…no, there story is about them overcoming something hard AND finding love in the end which is beautiful.
Belle never waited for some prince to save her. She wanted to explore the world, live an adventure. And if she found someone who understood her, that was a plus
That's what she said, she said Belle never wanted to be saved by a prince or cared too much about romance at the start
Yea, that’s what Emma Watson said
@@sodaandstars4389yeah and the person who made this vid tried to make it a gotcha moment implying that Emma was beating other women 🙄
yeah i hate how they made it seem like emma was in the same boat as Rachel, bc emma’s character actually IS headstrong and independent, she didn’t change belle. unlike Rachel who completely ruined snow white’s character and turned her into something she’s not
You're very right. Ariel's goal was just to explore above the surface, and Eric got caught in that. She fell in love and married the guy, of course with complications. But besides, Eric's a prince, he has the money, connections and the ways to support her😂
Rachel did NOT understand the OG snow white, she was such a hopeless romantic and y'all have to stop seeing that as weak
Which one is Rachel? And how’s being a hopeless romantic weak Im confused
@@bhavanijayant526 Rachel is the one playing snow white in the live action next year. And yeah Disney often sees hopeless romantics as weak and not "feminist" which is why they're changing Snow's character so she's seen as an empowerment character who doesn't need a man. It's the same with Belle, Emma didn't want to wear a pretty dress or make Belle girly because then the character wouldn't be strong and empowering enough for her. Disney and a bunch of actresses needs to realize that being a hopeless romantic and girly isn't weak and still can be empowering 😭
I love Snow White’s character. She’s a beautiful spirit who is kind and giving. So what if she’s excited about falling in love. Love can such a wonderful adventure.
@@embeetoast2211 so true!!
I love seeing people who understand the OG Snow White
Elle and Naomi loved their roles.
Naomi is so right, there is nothing wrong with having or wanting both
Yeah well you see that's a strawman because nobody ever said their was a problem with wanting both. I swear the anti-feminists just make shit up
Rachel misunderstood Snow White's whole character, she’s a hopeless romantic who dreams of love and that’s okay it’s nothing shameful or bad you can love and still be strong. Being in love or believing in love doesn’t make you weak.
Also the main song of Snow White is "Someday My Prince Will Come".
You can still be a strong character and be a hopeless romantic
@@cheshirerose2001Also, she wasn't "saved" by the Prince at all. She was saved because the coffin she was in happened to be accidentally dropped, which dislodged the poisoned apple in her throat. Also, she met the Prince _before_ this happened. He didn't come along after, she wasn't "waiting" for him or anyone (bit hard to wait for someone when you're in a literal poison-induced coma), and in the original book _she_ was the one who put an end to the Evil Queen. Sure, it was through torture using red-hot iron shoes she forced the former-Queen to dance in until death, but that's still not waiting to be saved, and by then she was _already the leader_ since she was now the frigging QUEEN.
Oh so youve seen the new movie and know exactly what the writers changed in the new one? Shocking how it’s nowhere near out yet. Im tired of this hate for Rachel Zegler when she’s just talking about changes the writers made. She didn’t write the movie.
@@DavidStruveDesignsthank you for being here!
Plus she was fighting to live the while movie... all at 15
the way Elle, Naomi, and Halle explain this makes me want to have a conversation with them. they put it so well and truly understand who they are playing.
Agree! I love that they aren’t bashing their original characters (like Lily and Rachel) or bashing the other princesses (like Emma)
Idk Disney called OG Ariel weak many times and I think that's what Halle was implying as well
@@sofija642I think what she was saying is that while Ariel may be bashed for giving up her voice "for a man," she's wanted to be human before. Eric was the tipping point. It was a decision Ariel made for herself.
@@sofija642 nah y’all just be saying anything to make Halle seem bad…. Most Disney princess are said to “need a man “ but Ariel was just explain although Ariel is looking for her love and he was the reason she made the finale deal it’s not all about him she also wanna explore the human worl and getting to know herself better
@@sofija642 first of she’s literally a 16 years old and she’s stubborn and listen to her heart I don’t think not being “weak “ is like so shocking … she made the right choices and it paid off but in another universe her prince might’ve been evil again she’s 16 lacking a bit of maturity and is too kind we know how cruel humans can be
Naomi Scott , Elle Fanning & Lilly James understood their characters like no other👏🏾!
Naomi, elle, and Halle are probably the only ones who ACTUALLY understand their character
She was literally bringing down the role of Ariel. Don’t defend her just because you like her.
@ur_favcheerleader what 💀 I barely know who she is I was just saying she understood her character
@@arizonastaraldcDisney might have tried to ruin Ariel but Hailey was not to blame...You can see how talented and good she is when she figures out the real strengths in her character
@@JuKraz_6 she can sing but Can’t ACT. Having the same facial expression in every scene is not acting.
@ur_favcheerleader how. Name an actress who could have done. And the actress has to be able to sing GOOD
Lol, I'm so sick of people undermining Snow White. I used to find her annoying as a child, but I realized that for such a young age and almost being murdered, she's practically one of the strongest princesses if not the strongest for still not losing hope in life (even if Cinderella is my favorite). Her being interested in love does not erase that strength of hers. Anyone can desire love and happiness which are perfectly fine. Wanting someone is also different from needing someone (but we also must remember that no one is an island and it's okay to get help. Snow got help from the dwarfs after the friendship she built out of kindness with them). Love does not make you weak.
U finding her the strongest is the most subjective opinion. But hey different strokes for different folks
I think Snow White is definitely misunderstood. Her character is solely based on how she cared for the dwarves and when poisoned, a prince came in and kissed her to take her away. While that part is usually what's judged the harshest, I think she just longed for happiness and tranquility. And she found that living with the dwarves. She had been alone for so long and without love, she found peace and fulfillment in a simple life. Minus the dwarves, she was living the life I hope to have. Away from everyone and everything, enjoying nature, baking, and caring for my little home. There's nothing bad about that.
Nah, characters who need saving are not strong. Characters like Mulan and Meredith are strong.
@@getem7640 That’s an awful mindset to have. Everyone needs help sometimes. And when you constantly refuse help your also pushing away those who care about you to the point where you’ll wear yourself out trying to fix everything on your own, and inadvertently drive away the people who are concerned for your well-being. Also the examples you gave of characters who “didn’t need help” make no sense. Without the help of Shang, Yao, Ling, and Chien-po Mulan would have never been able to get into the palace to save the emperor after finding out the Huns survived their first attack. And if it weren’t for Elenor (Merida’s mom) helping her, Merida wouldn’t have been able to give that speech which finally brought together their 4 kingdoms after years of tension. So yes, even the “strong” princess needed help and weren’t afraid accept it when it was offered.
@@destinyclark4133well yeah but even without their help you can see them grow and face challenges that at the beginning of the movie they wouldn’t have been able to tackle
Rest of the Disney princesses don’t really do much
As a little girl, I never viewed disney stories as princes saving princess. I saw it as the girls (the main character), the kindest, hard working, has ambitions/dream, loving, but often mistreated, victimized or poor. And for all that they've gone through in the end they get the love of a prince. So I see it as a good karma/reward/win after hardship.
Saaaaame even when I was a little girl I understood the meaning of those movies better than these girls😂
Belle was never waiting to be saved in the first place anyway. She gave up her freedom to save her father. She did this knowing that she may never leave the castle again.
I think people forget that many of these princesses grew up in very terrible conditions, losing parents, being abused, so they want to find someone that truly loves them and leave their situations. Are we really going to say that someone who does that is weak? Because pretty sure in the real world if someone is able to do that we usually call it success.
Today's generations have a skewed idea of love, relationships, and femininity. Basically, it's seen as something weak or dumb to want. The fact that these women believe that feminism is only about being a "girl boss" and not wanting a family or partner is just so not what feminism is about.
Feminism is about HAVING A CHOICE. If a woman CHOOSES to have a partner and kids, fine. If she chooses to be a career woman, fine. If she wants to do both, fine. If she doesn't wanna do anything, fine!
But these actresses are influencing girls that have the aspirations of becoming a wife and mother and paint it as something horrible.
Sometimes I think Hollywood wants to turn modern female heroin in a species of macho with too much stoicism, egoism and egocentrism.
I think we think the kind of love they show in these films are stupid. Some of the earlier films were when the princess met the prince she fell in love with and it was all "true love saves the day" and "happily ever after" after only knowing this guy for days. Real love is messy, it's pure and sometimes it's difficult. True love is finding someone who you would fight through all of that for.
I didnt mind that these princesses fell in love and they chose to love that particular man, but I hated the way that they showed love. Just as something that you did and then it was smooth sailing through marriage. Its not seen as bad, at least for me, to want to be in love, it's just unrealistic and I don't think that we should teach people that love is something that you just get and keep. You have to work at it, think Morticia and Gomez Addams. They may be very strange but they have one of the healthiest relationships on screen.
It's why I loved Princess and the Frog, maybe there was attraction from the beginning but the relationship wasn't founded until they had a good basis on what the other was like and their shared love maps. Beauty and the beast may be a similar one too.
I mean they’re trying to turn women into men or on the other hand are having men compete as women 😂 aka, goodbye femininity
It’s a fucking fairy tale … make belief something to take you out of your everyday life … I grew up on these and not once have I ever thought oh life must be exactly like a fairytale for fucks sake … there’s different movies for different ppl… if you don’t get it that’s fine .. but don’t say there is anything wrong with the classics just cz it’s not your taste
@@eleanorcooke7136your comment made me realize that this fairytale love stories are so toxic for lil girls. You're right, there is no prince charming in real life, infact girls need to save themselves from alot of the "princes" out there. We have to look out for ourselves. The Disney princesses who endured their hard lives and still came out strong and didn't lose their softness, kindness and all that is admirable. But yeah, 'the prince charming saves the day' isnt a healthy thing to be taught nor grounded in reality for the real kind of relationships.
We don't need to make every character be like "I don't need a man" "I don't need to be saved" for them to be good characters. Every person is different and there is nothing wrong with being soft, kind, romantic and wanting a family or stability. I love the way Elle defended Aurora's femininity and how beautiful it is.
Snow White and Cinderella were abused yet so kind and hardworking and loving.
Aurora was a shy hopeless romantic who wanted love and dreaminess.
Ariel was curious but she was also an impulsive and rebellious teen with a crush. She wasn't exactly strong independent, she was stubborn. There's no need to fake it.
Belle was a nerd, smart and inventive. She didn't wanna settle down with just anyone, she wanted to do something more in life, something exciting.
Jasmine is actually the only one among all of these who did actually want to be independent and free and not be seen as a property.
I also think Jasmine didn't want to be in an arranged marriage but she wanted to marry out of love.Honestly the arranged marriage thing was handled better with her than Merida (my least favorite princess)
@@cheshirerose2001 Exactly!!!!!
Why do you not like Merida tho?
@@CasuallyCruelCrushesClub Well she just felt like a lazy rehashing of Ariel and Jasmine to me.
Schaffrilis summed it up pretty well and there was a video about Brave that also summed it up too but also because she did try to poison her mom I know she didn't mean to turn her mom into a bear but from my memory she was still trying to make her mom sick.
I also just didn't like the movie in general.
@@cheshirerose2001 Though I like her, I totally get your point. I think Merida had potential and she could've been really awesome if done right. She was ALMOST a masterpiece but not quite.
@@cheshirerose2001She wasn't trying to get her mom sick, she was trying to make her change (still isn't great but they had a fight and Merida was not thinking). Her mom was very strict and tried to arrange her in marriage (she didn't have Ill intent but it's not a great thing to do). Merida made a mistake and tried to fix it. You can see throughout the movie that she regretted her decision. I also think Merida is very different from Ariel and Jasmine. Ariel was interested in the human world, Jasmine wanted to be free from the palace and meet people, Merida wanted freedom but she also wanted to mend the bond with her mother (which is practically the main plot) and both her and her mother had to realize they were both in the wrong. It's perfectly fine if you don't like the movie but Merida was very different to most of the princesses.
Emma Watson saying that Belle, compared to any other Disney princess, wasn't waiting to be saved, was 100% false. Mulan is the most major example. She saved her father, her army, and her country. The entire movie didn't show any romantic interest between Chang and her until the VERY END. Another example is Elsa. She didn't need a man she needed to find herself and make things right with Anna. Anna helped her but she helped Anna too. The sisterhood dynamic of that movie was incredible. Another example is Pocahontas and Ariel who actually have very similar stories. John Smith and Eric didn't entirely save them, they saved each other. They weren't waiting to be saved it just so happened that in their search for a world outside of what they know, they came across a man and fell in love. Falling in love doesn't mean they were waiting on a man to save them, it's a totally normal and natural occurrence in many people's journey's of greater things beyond. Ariel saved Eric from Ursula and vise versa. They helped each other, and Pocahontas saved John Smith from her father and she saved her people and Johns people from a bloodbath war, and John Smith saved Pocahontas and her people from his people. It's a pretty mutual dynamic and both showcase the power of masculinity and femininity coming together and having a beautiful outcome.
I think each Disney princess is strong in her own way.
Snow White and Cinderella both lost their parents and were forced to be housekeepers in their own homes by their stepfamilies, but remained kind and compassionate and empathetic and hardworking despite it all. Both of them could have lived on their own and maintained beautiful homes and cooked and worked for themselves if princes weren’t included which are great life skills. Snow White cleaned and cooked for the dwarves in order to stay, so she wasn’t a freeloader. And she became their beloved friend as well. Cinderella was kind to her animals friends and even Lucifer, who gave her nothing but trouble, and her mouse friends, the birds and Bruno all came to help her because of her kindness and love toward them. She didn’t go to the ball because she wanted to marry the prince, she went to dress up and have fun for herself. The prince was just a surprise.
Aurora was kind and sweet and loving and patient as well. Maybe she didn’t have great intuition or whatever, but she was raised all alone in a forest by three fairies without anyone else around. She was kind to all the animals and was willing to give everyone a fair chance. She only touched the spinning wheel because Maleficent used her powers to screw with her mind. Ariel was one of the more ‘acting my own age’ Disney princesses by being rebellious and ‘snarky’ with her father. But she was kind and passionate and brave and determined. She was already fascinated by the human world before Eric, he was just the final push she needed. And because of Ariel and then Melody, the land people and the sea people could live harmoniously again.
Belle was smart and witty and kind hearted and brave. She wasn’t out for a man and didn’t even like Adam/the Beast at first. But she didn’t leave him behind after he saved her and so they began to respect each other as human beings, before friendship and then love followed. Belle showed us that beauty lies within.
Mulan was brave and courageous and family oriented and determined. She was terrified, but would rather risk her own life than have her father die in battle. And she prevailed against all odds. Once again, she wasn’t setting out for romance. Shang was just a perk that came along with her journey. And Jasmine was one of the first #girlboss princesses ever in my opinion. She was sassy, brave, headstrong, but kind and compassionate. She refused to be reduced to a trophy wife and was prepared to rule after her father passed the crown to her. She didn’t let anyone bully her, she just wanted her independence. And once again, she didn’t set out for romance. She wanted freedom, but Aladdin was a perk in that story. He saw her as Jasmine, not the Princess of Agrabah and Heiress Apparent to the Throne.
All of these women, the ‘older’ lineup of Disney princesses, were strong and independent in their own ways. I watched these movies as a child and never once believed I had to marry a man and be a wife to be happy when I grew up. I wanted to be a princess, for sure, as many little girls do, but I loved their songs and fancy dresses and all that. I didn’t really care about the princes and the love story aspects until I was older. The Disney remakes have a bad habit of ‘feminizing’ female characters that didn’t need that at all, they were already feminists and strong characters in their own ways, just different ways. You don’t need to be muscular and wield a sword to be a hero; your kindness and your heart is what makes you a hero 😁 that’s what the Disney princesses taught me
Lily wasn’t wrong tho it depends in the context. The people at the premiere were saying that her Cinderella wasn’t strong but she was explaining that she was strong just not the type of ‘strong’. At the end of the movie she wasn’t expecting to be saved, thanks to the mouses Prince heard her voice. But if not she was willing to stay because she was strong enough to forgive
Love Lilly 🩵🩵🩵 the live action for Cinderella was given justice 🩵
Elle completely understanding that Aurora's femininity was her strength and Naomi's words were so spot on 🩵
i loved elle, naomi, and halle’s portrayals so much because it was such a beautiful combination of women who are in love and vulnerable and sweet, but also who have these big dreams that they will fight for. i loved how they portrayed a healthy balance of both
“Love is not weak or ridiculous. It's actually really amazing”
- Disney’s Descendants
Honestly I wish that Disney actually stood by their own quote… because love is definitely NOT weak.
There’s a reason Aladdin is one of the best live actions and frankly I think it improved the original, it’s nice to see Naomi Scott getting Jasmine and Elle Fanning understanding Aurora
Nah, Aladdin is far from being one of the best. It's just okay, Will Smith is the best part, everything else surround him was bad, Jafar was way worse than i expected
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The og Cinderella was actually proactive when trapped by her stepmother, even coming up with solutions to help. Whilst the new Cinderella twirled around her room and singing while her mouse friends do all the work to save her.
El hecho de que tengas una opinión tan vacia de la nueva cenicienta me da vergüenza y miedo, la mejor princesa y el mejor live action
Right?! And the remake Cinderella is suppoed to be the independent progressive one
There’s that awful line in the 2015 Cinderella about her being ‘content with her memories’ when locked up! What?! The og Cinderella was defiant, constantly talking back to her stepfamily, she’s even snide and a little rude at their expense (like when she jokes about her music lessons) and berates Lucifer whenever she can. She’s got strength and dimensions, wit and intelligence. As you say, she directed her own rescue and was the one to think of fetching Bruno and she saves the day with the other slipper in her pocket (the Prince isn’t even there?!). I can’t stand take-downs of Cinderella when they clearly just haven’t watched it in ages. I love her strength, her resolve to continue getting through each day in the face of extreme adversity whilst remaining good and kind. The real clincher to test whether people’s Cinderella memory is right is to ask what colour her dress is, cause most will say blue, when it’s silvery white in the original, and it just shows that their conception of Cinderella is based on wider Disney Princess marketing and not the film itself. I like Lily James, but her Ella is written as such a passive doormat for lack of a better phrase; she just meekly accepts her fate at every turn without any apparent interiority to her.
naomi and elle nailed it
The only one I saw who even slightly had a grasp on her character was Elle. Much respect to her for that.
Cinderella was an abuse victim who just wanted a night off to be treated like an equal.
Belle chose to trade her freedom for her fathers. She chose to go back to the castle with Adam after he saved her from the wolves. She chose to return and try to save him when the village mobbed up. She was never a passive character.
Jasmine “i am not a prize to be won” never had a problem speaking her mind or standing up for herself. She wanted freedom, friendship, and love. The chance to explore and experience the world.
Ariel longed of being human before she ever saw prince eric. She didn’t give up her voice for a guy. She gave up her voice because her father wouldn’t respect or support her dream and the sea witch manipulated her.
Its become trendy to take these characters out of context and twist them into patriarchal relics that need “empowering” but these women were already complex and wonderfully feminine role models to begin with. They didn’t need modernizing.
Why do they have to ruin the og princesses? Its not wrong to want love and to find happiness with someone. Not everything needs to be a boss loner bitch. Being a kind gentle motherly figure is beautiful and empowering too
Cope
don't you know? it's all about spreading "the message"
No one said it was, the point is that its not the leading motivater in thier life and it shouldnt be for anyone
The Cinderella remake and Maleficent movies actually did a really good job emphasising how Cinderella and Aurora’s kindness and hopefulness is what made them strong. They didn’t turn them into warrior princesses, like what the Snow White remake seems to be doing.
With Belle and Jasmine they definitely did add more ‘woke feminism’ to their characters for the remakes, but those changes weren’t as extreme for them since the animated versions were already a bit like that (though I agree with others that Emma Watson’s insistence on removing most of Belle’s girly traits was a bit too much).
Turning Snow White into a warrior it a total 180 compared to the animated movie.
No one is saying that there's anything wrong with being a kind, gentle motherly figure who desires love. Ffs.
The issue is that being presented as the ONLY personality type, that they always need a man to save them, and that their only motivation is finding a man. Look at newer Disney movies, like Moana & Frozen. In Frozen, its Anna's gentle, unconditional love that saves Elsa. In Moana, she's independent and motivated by her intense curiosity, but she's also gentle and empathetic when needed. The characters in these two movies have well-rounded complex personalities, they aren't helpless maidens with one note personalities.
😭 please I need more who actually understand them
I don't think any Disney princess was just waiting to be saved. They all had their own dreams, they just had a prince be there for them
What’s wrong with a prince saving a girl?
Nothing.
Cinderella: Was used and abused by her step mother and step sisters. Her only desire was to: *go to the ball.* Even when she met the prince, she *left* when the fairy godmother told her to. She stood up to her mother and sisters who tried to hide her away because she was the one *the prince* wanted to be with.
Ariel: She was a mermaid who was in love with the *human world.* she ventured to the surface, and had a grotto filled with human things long before she even *met* eric. When she falls in love after *she* saved *him,* they bond on the surface and procede to *safe each other* from Ursula. Had she not met Eric, she still would’ve longed for the surface. A handsome Prince was just a bonus.
I could go on, but my point is, I’m so sick of people saying that the original princess weren’t strong or competent. Or that everything they did was “for a man” because with the exception of Snow White, that is such a lie. And even in Snow Whites case, she wanted love and found it-why is that wrong??
Even Snow White, whose dreams specifically mention a prince, works her butt off through the entire movie. The first time we see her, she’s scrubbing the courtyard, and the first thing she does upon arriving at the cottage is say “let’s get this place cleaned up.” She’s never sitting back expecting to be waited on hand and foot.
You’re completely right. People see what they want to see because they have their minds already made up. These young women are more than their partners, they always have been.
My favourite has to be Belle because she was passionate about educating herself in a time period where it wasn't a norm for women to do so. She also was an extremely brave woman riding off to save her father and she sacrificed her freedom for her fathers. Further more she fell inlove with the beast because of what she saw inside of his heart, not knowing he was a Prince with riches. That was true love.
I also loved Jasmine because she was headstrong and wanted to rule her fathers kingdom despite that it was taboo for a woman ruler. Further more she fell inlove with a "street rat" instead of a lavish Prince because again she saw what was in his heart and also how it made her feel when she was with alladin.
Education in France during Belles time was normal for women.
Most women besides peasants then no one was reading.
Belle originally came from a well off family. Where it was normal to read and write.
@@ladyofnoxus6733 Sort of? Part of the reason live action Belle came across such opposition is because she was in a rural town. People were needed to work, so education - especially for women unfortunately, was on a lower priority. Education for women in 18th Century France may have been available to all social classes...but that was if you were in a cosmopolitan area.
And its important to note that yes all that information is incredible to know and learn now as I am in my 30s, then you for that honestly, but as a kid around 3 or 4 when I watched it all I thought about is she's not afraid to be different from the rest and fell inlove with a beast because of his heart. I grew up always being different from the environment around me. Never truly fitted in with the rest.
@@beckyweiss6072I feel like this revision really hurt the remake. The point wasn’t that the villagers were misogynistic and evil, the point was that people are suspicious of people who are different, and decent people who are scared can be manipulated by those with malicious intent. Revising them to hate Belle’s new industrious nature was a really odd choice that removed a lot of nuance from the story.
Belle LITERALLY did need to be rescued she was locked in a dungeon!! So aggravating lol
Elle Fanning have my heart❤ she's amazing
I love thé og Disney princess , and I adore how Elle understood and knew the character like why is fallin in love a weakness
Cinderella didn't wait for any prince heck she didn't know he was the prince and in the end her animal friends freed her not the prince
they returned the kindness she showed them, Cinderella remained kind despite abuse and so she got good karma
not internalizing abuse and not repeating the cycle or becoming jaded and cynical takes so much strength of character
in her own way Cinderella is one of the strongest princesses, she didn't have super powers or a solid safety network yet she kept hope and kept being kind despite everything and at no point did she look for romance, not that romance is bad but the fact is she didn't, she just wanted a night out, her dreams were of escaping abuse and finally getting some agency, it's so unfair to blame a young victim of abuse especially a female victim in medieval times where they weren't given means of self reliance
What was she supposed to do become homeless? abandoning her home and animal friends and starve in the streets ? fight madame Tremaine ? As if that would solve her problems she'd just be kicked out painted as a terrible ungrateful step daughter by society
Patience and kindness and optimism in the face of abuse are underrated qualities that not many can practice
Ironically the movie embraced her femininity while the actress....didn't. LOL. The directors understood the assignment, the actress did the assignment didn't understand it.
Plus the home was her late father’s home. If she abandoned it to be homeless on the streets, she would’ve lost everything that kept her connected to her family
@@beckyweiss6072i thought lily james was amazing in the movie so i was surprised to watch this clip and see her completely miss the point😅
@@CrystalLovesChrist same!! My jaw hit the floor when I saw this video. The directors clearly understood Cinderella lol, but the actress didn’t
Elle Fanning's answer was truly beautiful.
Jasmin is such a great example of a clearly strong princess who also falls in love in her story, many stories have both aspects but to me it was one of the clearest examples
Halle is so soft spoken
I love Elle, she's such a wonderful actress.
and that's why most people forget the live action and always even from childhood remember the animation version.
I love how much people read into a random kid’s story about just a couple of teenagers getting together since that’s what all those stories are.
My two most favorite Disney princesses have always been Jasmine and Pocahontas. And they're very different. Pocahontas is very family oriented and honorable, she's a strong natural leader for her people, but she also loves a white man and is trying to balance her love for him and her love for her people. Jasmine is sassy but she's still a romantic and believes very much in love and marrying for love and that's her main desire in the movie is to marry for love. I think it's good and important to have all shades of femininity instead of trying to make every female character a "strong woman" in the most stereotypical ways.
A little bit oof on the Pocahontas part when you consider that she spent most of her childhood as a settler POW, was forcibly converted to Christianity, was married off to a white guy in his 30s when she was only a teenager and was never a leader to her people, and in fact moved to England and was paraded around by the British aristocracy as an example of a “civilized savage”, a Native American person who could be abducted and sufficiently brainwashed into abandoning their heritage and culture.
@@SarastistheSerpent I'm referring to the Disney movie only, not history. I'm also speaking about my perception of her as a seven year old child....when I was a kid this is how I saw her (in the Disney movie) and it was why I loved her character and repeatedly watched that movie over and over...as a little kid I cared not for historical accuracy, I just thought this character was the coolest - I would literally spend hours in my yard pretending to be her... and you're gonna try to shame my past seven year old self for loving a Disney movie because it lacked historical accuracy?? No. Just stop it.
@@jasminelblack2047 I’m native and watching that film as a 7 year old disturbed me. Sorry you like watching a white savior film, maybe that’s exactly why you like it, where an 11 year old was sexualized by Disney and made her look like a hot 18 year old and the “good whites” save the day. It’s not just about how they chose to represent a victim of sex trafficking, it’s how they represented Native American culture. It’s disgusting.
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with most people's opinion of Cinderella being "weak" and waiting to be "saved." Being kind to those who have mistreated you for years requires a special kind of strength most don't have. And her finding love at the ball was just a bonus.
I loved the Jasmine actress . She supports both falling in love and being powerful at the same time
There is nothing stronger than refusing to turn cruel after cruelty happens to you.
Cinderella didn’t even know she was dancing with the prince she found out later
Snow White was an abused child yet she fought to survive. She was kind in a cruel world. She was independent and took care of a house and several people like a mother. Most 14 y/os i know don't even know to make a cup of tea lol
Their faces when they realize the Princesses lead their movies in the original too: 😱😱😱
Naomi Scott as Jasmine is absolutely everything ❤
I think that it’s weird that Emma Watson says that Belle, at the time, was the only Disney Princess she saw growing up that wasn’t “waiting for a prince to save her.”
I genuinely cannot name a single Disney princess movie that came out during Emma Watson’s childhood where the princess was just waiting around for a prince to save her.
For context, I’m including movies from 1937 to 2008, which would have been movies Emma Watson would presumably have had available to watch during her childhood. These movies are:
Snow White (1937)
Cinderella (1950)
Sleeping Beauty (1959)
The Little Mermaid (1989)
Beauty and the Beast (1991)
Aladdin (1992)
Pocahontas (1995)
Mulan (1998)
There are of course some notable mentioned such as The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996), Hercules (1997), and Atlantis (2001). However, I think it’s safe to assume that the women from these movies aren’t typically what people are referring to when they say “Disney Princesses” even though the women from these movies technically are.
Snow White and Aurora are probably the two most obvious characters for people to point fingers to when people talk about princesses “waiting around for a prince to save them.” But I think that it’s important to recognize that they never actually wait for a guy to save them. They both find men that they have crushes on and the men do technically “save” them by the end of the movie, but they’re both just kind of vibing with their current circumstances until a literal magic spell is cast on them that then prompts the princes to save them.
They’re not waiting for someone to pluck them out of their current lives, they’re perfectly capable of finding their own happiness before the princes come along and do just that.
A similar case can be made for Cinderella and Ariel. Cinderella wasn’t waiting for the prince to “save” her from her abusive family. She went to the ball as an act of defiance to take some control back for herself and her life. She just so happens to meet the prince. If she was expecting the prince to save her, wouldn’t she have just stayed with him past midnight? She didn’t expect him to help her and it’s only after she learns that he’s looking for her that she ever entertains the idea of letting him help her out of the situation.
It’s not like the prince just so happened upon her and decided to save her from her current situation. Cinderella took every opportunity she could think of throughout the movie to get away. She accepts the dress from the mice and tries to go to the ball with her family. When that doesn’t work she goes behind their backs. When she’s locked up in her room after her step-mom finds out she was the mystery girl who captured the prince’s heart, she escapes. She seeks out the prince and presents the missing glass slipper after her step-mom breaks the one the prince has. These are all decisions that *she* makes.
Same thing can be said for Ariel. The prince isn’t the one who convinces her to leave the ocean, it’s Ariel’s father destroying her collection that finally drives her to finally make a deal with Ursula to become human. Ariel is the one who woos the prince so that she can keep her end of the bargain. Ariel’s the one who saved the prince to begin with. And she’s the one who decides to live with the prince even though she no longer “needs” him to live as per her contract with Ursula.
Jasmine, Mulan, and Pocahontas are all also very obvious examples besides Belle of princesses who debuted during Emma’s childhood that were all very against getting married. Hell, in their movies, it’s Jasmine, Mulan, and Pocahontas that do a lot of the saving in the end. Jasmine distracts Jafar, Mulan literally saves China and defeats the bad guy, Pocahontas literally gets between John and her dad, stopping him from clubbing him to death.
Like to say that Belle was the *only* Disney Princess movie she saw growing up where the princess wasn’t just waiting for someone to save her when you have clear examples of characters who were going against all of that is just kinda dumb to me. Especially when, again, you have other examples such as Esmerelda, Megara, and Princess Kida, who may not have been official Disney princesses, but still came out during her childhood showing strong female leads who weren’t solely looking for husbands in their male counterparts is just insane to me.
I mean, I think the only princess who was actually waiting for a prince to save her during Emma’s childhood was Giselle from Enchanted, and even that’s sort of pushing it because not only was Emma 17 when Enchanted came out, putting her right at the edge of what most people would consider adolescence (even though I personally consider a person to be an adolescent until their brain’s fully matured, which typically happens at around 25/26), Giselle was meant to be a parody of what people thought Disney Princesses were like. And, just like the others mentioned before, Giselle isn’t what most people are referring to when they say “Disney Princess.”
And even if we were to stretch the timeline further into what I considered to be the very end of adolescence, which for Emma would have occurred in 2015/2016, you have princesses like Tiana, Rapunzel, Merida, and Elsa, all Disney Princesses who were explicitly not waiting around for someone else to save them.
The only exception to that would have been Ana which, again, similar to Giselle, her falling in love with Hans and planning on getting married was both meant to poke fun at people’s idea of Disney Princesses *and* serve to show how a lifetime of isolation and being denied love made her insanely vulnerable to the manipulation of strangers.
Ok so, Snow White is a little more complex...she was waiting for a prince to come and save her - HOWEVER, she ended up saving herself. And her singing the song to the Dwarves also I think shows that Snow White was also just wanting genuine love, something that goes beyond "waiting for a man to save her." The prince literally "just happened" to wander across Snow White sleeping in her glass coffin and woke her up XDDD.
But everything else, yes. Aurora was also a victim of circumstance, but that's not really her fault? The plot kinda designed it to be that way and compared to the downright *horrific* original story, Aurora had a great deal more agency in the movie.
Also, Gaston was apparently an original character created for Beauty and the Beast- which very much surprised me. He made the story much darker, but he was also a well crafted villain. I attempted to read the original story but couldn't get through it bc it was dull as hell. The original tale also went on huge tangents about the faerie world and I was constantly confused lol.
Pocahontas was a disgusting white savior film that should’ve never been made. Disney sexualized a genocided sex trafficked 11 year old, who died from disease at a young age. I don’t think parents should be including that film as something their children, especially daughters, should be watching.
Esmerelda and Megera are not princesses, just female Disney characters. Giselle doesn't count either because she didn't marry Edward. The rest I agree. I'm a fan of Emma and this was a bad take.
@@pinkkrystalz7610 I know they’re not considered Disney princesses, I said so in my original comment. It’s also why i included them as honorable mentions rather than in the actual list.
The rules for what constitutes a Disney Princess are strange. The main rules are that they must be human, female, and a main character in a movie that isn’t a sequel. It’s reasons like this that Ariel is considered an official Disney Princess, but her daughter, Melody, isn’t.
There’s other rules such as they’re not allowed to be main characters in their own sequels (another reason why Ariel is still considered a Disney Princess since the main character of “her” sequel is Melody), which is why Tinkerbell, who was originally considered to be a Disney Princess despite not being human, not being a main character, and didn’t have an animal sidekick (another rule is they should have animal sidekicks) was removed from the official lineup around 2005.
It’s also why Anna and Elsa are not (officially) recognized as Disney princesses, because they’re main characters in a sequel.
If you’re curious, the official lineup consists of Raya, Tiana, Moana, Mulan, Belle, Pocahontas, Snow White, Cinderella, Rapunzel, Merida, Jasmine, Aurora, and Ariel.
You also don’t necessarily need to be of royal blood (or married to a royal) in order to be considered a princess. Mulan isn’t of royal blood and neither is Li Shang, but she’s considered a Disney Princess because they bent the rules and included that you can become a princess by committing an act of heroism.
It’s also worth noting that Esmerelda actually used to be considered a Disney Princess up until 2005, but was removed because Disney didn’t consider her as marketable as other Disney princesses.
@@primroseprom Okay.😐
Finally people that understand the Disney princesses and feminity. U are strong doesn't mean can't have a soft side
"Feminism is not a stick with which to beat other women with" this line was spot on and i feel like more people should hear it
Ariel's main desire was to be part of something else, something different, she was curious and , you know, wanted to 'be part of that world'.
Cinderella never waited for a prince. Her story is about being resilient even in hard and unfair situation. The prince was just her reward. Snow White’s story is more about her and the dwarves then her and the prince. It was a story about community that despite her tribulations she worked hard and saw a better tomorrow. Something that meant a lot to the people watching it in the 30’s the time of economic turmoil. People treat one aspect of their character like it’s the only one but there is nothing wrong with having and wanting and giving love and being passive isn’t weak. It takes lots of patience and wisdom to not retaliate at any little Inconvenience. Lots of the time those who hold their tongue realize their own self worth and know that silence is often the best answer as spewing out quick pain only escalates a situation to a problem bigger then it initially was. Only jabbing back when a clear line is crossed. We shouldn’t teach children to fight back to everything that they feel slightly upset over. We should teach them how to make healthy boundaries.
Tbh most princes didn’t save the princesses ,they weren’t even aware of what was happening and maybe one of the only characters,who was not even w prince but a thief was actually flynn rider from tangled
All though, he might not really count for you, Aladdin wasn't a prince either, and he was called a theif.
Exactly. Why is love a weakness. Oftentimes Love makes u strong
All of the girls that played Disney heroines in live actions simply SLAYED😍😍😍😍
Funny how Emma is basically doing the opposite of what she said about feminism
U took her comment out of context.....he was talking about the original belle character who unlike most Princesses was into reading and adventure..... although she is wrong about belle being the only one....coz on surface level it might be true... almost all other disney princesses had a personality beyond the boys....its just hard for modern Hollywood to realise that coz they are just brain dead
Which by you just saying that is doing exactly the same thing. You think Emma being supportive of all women is somehow attacking all women. But it’s not.
Naomi is such an incredible actress!!!!!!!!! 💜💜💜
I love Naomi and Elle's responses and the fact that they are matching lol
I'm very feminine and I never understand why people like to try and change feminine women. It's ok to want love. It's ok to want to give to your family and the people you love . We all make the world go round
Elle Fanning as Aurora is a very underrated casting choice, she was so good, and Aurora was lowkey a badass as well, especially in the second film
None of these celebrities watched the movies because none of these princesses were “WAITING to be saved”. Stahhhhhp.
The actress of Aurora and that other lady that said "you and be strong and have love" seem to get the idea thou.
maybe not, but they were portrayed as such, specially Aurora and Snow White, it's literally the whole plot. Blame the writer tho
@@darcoiriz And the other ones they where all very independent jasmine literally pull vaulted over a alley way first try and honestly I think snow white would be set for life if it wasn’t for the evil queen. I mean she found a job a place to live all in the same day and she got seven new loving family members.
@@darcoirizI don’t know, the only part where they are technically waiting is literally when they are sick and basically dying. Sleeping Beauty is more about the fairies than Aurora, but in the parts where she is a main character, she’s just vibing in the woods and having good craic. Snow White is actually pretty active from the second the huntsman takes her out to be killed. You should give the film another go, some of it is a little outdated, but Snow White is much stronger than anyone gives her credit for
Halle is a fan of the little mermaid so your comment is wrong
We should just accept that you can be strong and independent and still fall in love and be vulnerable. The whole point of a relationship is that you have one person with which you can feel safe enough to let your guard down and just be.
Cinderella wasn't waiting for the prince to saver she just wanted to put on a pretty dress and go to th party.
My whole life I felt like being feminine was a bad thing, that I had to be strong I couldn't show emotions, I am a 34 year old woman for context, I never had barbies, never learned to do my make up, never did things other girls did because I thought being a girly girl was a bad thing, I felt I had to hide how much I loved dolls, Sailor moon, Dresses, the color Pink, Pastels, etc. Media really likes to tell us how we should look, and act.
Yea my mom tried to raise me something like that. It didn't go too well, I still have to fight with myself everytime I wear something more then a basic shirt and pants. Felt extremely self-conscious and bad wearing or a skirt , dress or a new shirt . Never wear makeup it was always seen as a bad thing and only put up your hair up if it's situation called for it. I never had the option of doing something girly like that. Felt like i was stripped in a weird way. Not saying that being tomboyish is wrong but if you don't give the kids the option and you only force them into one it's not healthy, at least in my experience XD
The whole "girl boss" thing started as a way to show young girls that it was okay to be boyish.
But now the idea is being pushed SO MUCH young girls are now starting to believe being anything less than a girl boss is wrong.
Loved Emma so much even after the casting were announced but during the promotion of release it's really sad 💔 even in her you can see the contrast on what she's saying 💔 she have good intentions but has misunderstood the things she was so against with 💔
I love Lilly’s live action Cinderella because they didn’t make her aggressive she was always kind and her kindness is what made her stronger. When the step mother locks in her room Cinderella instead of trying to get out she instead remembers the fond time she had with Kit and feels that is enough for her if she were to be locked away. So in a way I don’t understand when Lily James said Cinderella wasn’t waiting to be saved when in the original,Cinderella is literally trying so hard to escape she didn’t wait for Prince Charming but in the Live action she basically waited to be saved not that its a bad thing. But it’s like them trying to make feminism about girls not needing love or a prince and thinking she’s so strong for that. Belles Live action is truly horrible how is it they couldn’t cast a better Belle and let Emma take all the shots. She was so mean that I even felt bad for Gaston because he literally was kind to her but Emma’s Belle was so rude.
Naomi really played her role as Jasmine very strongly and beautifully, Aladdin is in my opinion one of the best live action adaptation that Disney made. Also, Aurora
Cinderella went to the ball to have a good time a good dance , and she left the prince literally on the doorstep, seriously these people played the role of the strong feminine princess and didn’t even understand their own character
I didn’t think I could Stan Elle and Naomi even more!
Cinderella,just wanted to go to the ball and enjoy her time..but the prince was the one who was attracted to her..
Thank U Elle Fanning
Feminism shouldn’t only be women vs men. And I’m tired of it being that. It’s women feeling powerful as they truly are…
now i know which live actions princesses i like
Love is such a powerful emotion. You hear stories about how people risk their lives and literally gain superhuman strength to save someone they love. Even if it’s not physical strength, the mental and emotional strength one gets from being in love isn’t something to be ignored. If anything, I’m glad that the backlash that some of these actresses got from their comments has led to people going back to the originals.
Being romantic isn’t weak. Making love your whole personality, reason for existence, driving motivation and whole entire story plot is what makes you weak. If you are nothing without your love interest, you aren’t an actual character. You’re…idk, a foil.
Whiten all of these Princesses weren’t in their original stories sooo