How "Pretty Much Dead Already" Delivered The First True Shock of The Walking Dead
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During the course of the second season of The Walking Dead, the show was still finding its footing. Yes, it was based on a comic series, but it was already starting to deviate greatly from its comic book counterpart. How accurate or inaccurate were the storylines going to be? What could they improve upon from the comic storylines to make them better in the show?
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Witnessing this episode without any spoilers was the craziest thing ever and lead me to believe that Hershel and his group were actually going to betray them
They already knew Sofia was in the barn from the beginning too, look for the scene in an earlier episode where Glen is describing Sofia to Maggie and Hershall gives her a stern look and shakes his head discreetly as if to say, don’t say a word.
@@testpilotian3188 nah just rewatched that episode. When Daryl asks what should be done if Sophia is found bitten Rick replies "we do what needs to be done" and that's what Hershel shakes his head at, because at that point they still believe there is still hope for the dead and shouldn't be destroyed. Though there is nothing to suggest they aren't aware the young girl is Sophia.
@@TaxemicFanatic tbh I always considered he was telling her not to say they already knew she was bite and in the barn, not that he was disagreeing with what was said.
@@testpilotian3188 maybe, though right after that scene Maggie shows disgust when T-Dog smashed the walkers head in that was in the well. The Greene family haven't been killing them and it doesn't say much more about that in the series but I'm sure you alread know in the comics they believe that the undead may still have a chance to be brought back to life. I'm about to watch the episode where they open the barn so will watch how they react. In the comics there are 14 walkers inside the barn. Hershel may not have been the only one putting them in there. But you're right...they might have known.
I think Hershel said Otis might have found her turned them put in the barn before he died
In this episode Shane can basically be described by the quote “he’s out of line but he’s right”
@TheThriftyTypewriter_nicegram i wish youtube terminated your kind
Or what Gabe and Negan said in season 11:
You're paranoid
But I'm not wrong
The problem with Shane was he just couldn't let go, but neither could rick. I've always seen Rick and Shane's relationship as when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
@@henseltbrumbleburg3752 Shane was obviously mentally unstable. He wanted to be viewed as realistic but his fantasy to get rid of Rick and get with Laurie was his downfall. If he could have let that go he would have been an asset.
Shane was a much better leader than Rick. Rick just rolls in and expects everything to work around him.
I have never (NEVER) felt as soul-crushingly heartbroken at a TV show as I was when Sophia walked out of the barn. Had been so invested in Daryl's side-quest to find her, so for the kid to have been on the farm with them the whole time AND be dead was brutal.
to be perfectly honest im not surprised, the actress came out and said it got to much living on one side of the us and working on the other side so she asked to be killed off
That revelation had me in tears, literally. And I don’t cry over shit in a tv show. That hit me so hard because, like you, I was so invested in Daryl finding Sophia. I just KNEW he would find her alive out there. It was awful when she walked out of the barn as a walker.
@@jswords1977
Me too. Even when I rewatch the episodes. I keep hoping it was a mistake and she survived after all.
That was the moment for me, when it turned real.
That moment and when Carl had to put a bullet in his own mothers head after she died in childbirth. I truly wept. I almost quit watching at that point.
It kinda feels like Carol had to die for Sophia to live in the comic universe and in the TV universe Sophia had to die for Carol to live.
:0 maybe i should check out the comics
that sounds interesting
@@sleepy.timaeus.arts.yea the comics are really good Carl and Sophia grow up together and have a lot of good moments imo
Every kid Carol lost made her that much more cold and badass so yeah this is accurate
@@KingdomHeart556Her character is so strong, but breaks my heart everytime. To me, her character really embodies ALL aspects of maternal instinct, even the hard and gritty parts :(❤ I love Carol.
Dale was just the best character. The fact that he would rather die than compromise his morals is inspiring. He saw the world so clearly and knew he was likely not going to last long so he always tried to convince the others in the group to do the right thing.
Dale was also important for Glenn. I think Dale served as a reminder, always, to never compromise your morals. And we saw that with Glenn up until the end... he always did what he believed was the right thing for the collective group, for humanity. Miss Dale, miss Glenn even harder.
I only faulted him for keeping up with Andrea, Andrea was just a constant failure and she didnt respect Dale enough
i always thought dale was a fool, who would allow everyone to be killed before letting go of a world that was gone. a self-righteous idiot who put everyone in danger with his whiny, aggressive self-righteousness. i was so happy when he was killed, it made me smile.
@@zubileegluckgluck no one cares
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Which makes Shane even MORE right at the time.
Watching this Episode reminded me how much Carol have developed over the years. I never expected her to last longer and be lethal and important. Crazy for how different she was when she was a biological mother.
Carol is the GOAT no one can convince me otherwise
@@thethriftytypewriter I agreed upon that, The smartest and dangerous female character in TWD in my opinion and it's unexpected and how it goes.
Carol character development makes her my favourite from the group
It's almost as if Ed and Sophia's death freed her to become the character she is at the end of the series.
@@rufus5966 True it unleashed and awaken her.
Sophia's death was the most important part of Carol's story, in both the show and comic she starts out the same way as a meek, abused housewife, and where her character in the comic served to show how the apocalypse can break a weaker, more dependable person, her story in the TV show does the opposite and shows how the apocalpyse can harden someone and make them stronger than they ever believed they could be. It's one of my favourite differences with the show and I'm glad they committed to writing her like that all the way through.
Well she turned into a serious zombie killer with fighting chops and bad assery. Great character arc.
@@jonfreeman9682 Zombie killer? She turned into a lethal assasin! "Meet me on the kill floor!"
Season 2 might be one of my favorites. The fact that the entire season can take place in one location with so many engaging stories and scenes. Just shows you how much better written the show was earlier on.
If anything season 2 was proof you don't need to keep switching between different locations to be interesting and compelling
@@bishbosh4815yep, that's what drove me crazy about this show the first time I watched it, I was like "can we PLEASE just stay somewhere for more than a season??"😂❤
I always loved 2nd season, that farm vibe, banther between every character. Shane being an amazing character, literally perfect. And Rick being the only one to make the harderst choice.
I think it's one of my favorite seasons. Crazy how many people hate it even after all these years.
I mean I like season 2 a lot but I understand why it’s not loved
right rick makes the hard call only when he absolutely
has too, doesn't mean he was too weak like Shane thought, he just know when to cross the line and when not too.
LOVE season 2... and totally agree with the whole farm vibe comment
Exactly. Most people at the time felt it was slow and boring. It’s called character development. With a mid season punch (Sofia) followed up by an end season punch. Slow and boring is what the last several seasons have been
This episode is EXTREMELY important considering the fact that Daryl and Carol are the survivors at the end. Them and Maggie (and Judith I guess) are the only ones who lived on Hershel's Farm that were still alive in the current TWDS11 Timeline
Not to mention Rick Grimes himself.
@@SlickONick technically wasn't confirmed alive in the current timeline as his final scene was a flashback lol
@@onetallpheeesh You have a point…
I believe he’s alive but I guess we have to wait till the shows out. 👍
@@SlickONick they have a spin off he is alive
@JahGrizzly Yes. The Audience knows he's alive. The characters in the show only have a hunch he's alive somewhere. As far as the characters know, he's long gone.
Season 2 was underrated because TWD wasn't more fond about being a drama oriented series by then but this episode opens up one of the best philosophies and development toward these characters. The build of where Sophia have gone to have been going for more episodes and ended up with a great twist and follow up message from Shane that became more important while the series last.
After season 1 I think people expected a fast paced classic zombie horror story, but season 2 said nah fuck that, TWD is about the characters, it's a human story, and they took a few issues of the comics and enriched and expanded it
Season 2 was when I became absolutely hooked and that was during a marathon leading up to season 5.
I remember watching this episode for the first time. Everything that had happened prior since Sophia’s disappearance built up some hope within me so once the time came and it was revealed that she was a walker, it tore that hope out of my chest and I was stunned for the whole day they did a really good job.
Also I hope that in the upcoming series they go back to that grainy, 30 fps type film. It really sets the mood for a zombie apocalypse.
That’s what I’m saying! Season 1 and 2 type of fps quality actually gave the viewers as if they were in the apocalypse.
That's exactly what Hershel told RIck. He said he saw in Rick's face when the little girl came out of the barn that Rick knew there was no hope anymore. It's cool how the characters AND the audience were both hit with a gut punch that delivered what it was designed to do. After this episode, things start going downhill for the rest of the season. It makes those episodes of searching (and hoping to find) Sophia so wholesome on rewatch.
Exactly, they completely changed the filming for season 11, it looks like an ameture film project that use to many filters to make it look pretty, or dark, or whatever color to match the mood, i hate it.
I started rewatching the show (left off in s6-ish) after I saw your “Not tomorrow yet” video and I just rewatched this episode yesterday. I thought it was perfect how nobody could shoot Sofia. The group was thinking Hershel was crazy because he kept his family and friends in there and how its easy to kill walkers when you don’t know them. But we saw with Morgan’s wife and Amy that its not easy to do when its someone you know and care about. Rick HAD to be the one to do it because he was 1. Taking responsibility for Shane’s actions as his leader and 2. Showing Hershel and his family that you have to set aside your emotions for your own survival against the walkers. If anyone else had done it (aside from maybe Carol or Daryl) it would be cold and thoughtless. We know Rick cares about her because he put so much effort in trying to find her and that he personally felt responsible for her disappearance. It wasn’t an easy choice to make and even though she was a part of his family Rick still pulled the trigger.
Sophia was never a zombie. They just murdered her here
@@oldironsides4107 She was literally a walker.
Nah there was no walkers in barn it was a bunch of whisperers and Sophia was being indoctrinated and having spaghetti with them and got spaghetti sauce on her shoulder
@@edoneill6138 thank you, very nice
ehhh, i believe they made everyone frozen for dramatic effect and shane let rick kill so he can make the hardcall
OMG when Sophia came out of the barn only to be found as a Walker, all our hearts sank and broke up.💔
And out of all the characters in S2, Daryl held the most optimism in finding Sophia far longer than *anyone* else... Even her mother, Carol.😢
PS
Season 2 was thought to be the worst?! I never new that at all!🧐
@@liamphibia when i was originally watching the show, that was my impression as well. The good moments were separated by a lot of bloat, as AMC tried to make it a longer than necessary season. 3rd was definetly much better, 4th even better, 5th even better than that.
@@Bradley_UA
2 was better than 4 and 5.
3 was really good but 2 was arguably better than that too.
Season 2 is criminally underrated
I always miss these twd episodes bc it was genuinly just about adjusting and surviving the way the world is now and i always love that the most about zombie apocalypse stories
Something I think should be mentioned is the musical score. The actors and the story of the scene are great on their own, but when you add in that heart wrenching music when Sofia steps out into the light and the camera pans to those who'd been shooting, and how the score lifts into an almost hopeful key and intensity when Rick proves his leadership and steps forward to take the shot no one else could.
The difference between early seasons and later is how tight the writing was. Just what you said... every conversation, every interaction, kept you on the edge of your seat and was important. Later seasons had a ton of filler that either went nowhere or simply wasn't interesting. Too many characters came in that were unnecessary and storylines that were either pointless or incomplete took over. I look toward Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul as the beacon of tight writing. Never a wasted moment, everything mattered, character introductions were limited and tight, and when they were introduced, they mattered to overall story in important ways.
I was so bored around season 8 and used the tiger dying as an excuse to stop watching it lol
When Sophia came out of the Barn Sooooo many mixed emotions hit me at once!!
I was shocked, I was sad, but I was also cheering as tears ran down my face.
Shane got the audience PUMPED...our adrenaline was high only for our hearts to get shattered in a matter of seconds. It was def one of the BEST scenes in all of TV.
Shane holding zero hesitation with his actions throughout this whole arc just perfectly outlines how his demeanor changed the moment Rick came back
yes
Honestly besides the interaction with Carl followed Immediately by telling Carol that Sophia's gone I wouldn't really call anything Shane does manipulation he's very straight forward and even without the meta perspective of the viewer what shane is can be considered pretty transparant to any of the cast
Shane was manipulative in ways of driving a wedge between Lori and Rick once Rick comes back. And hiding their relationship, therefore lying to Rick. And then later trying to rape Lori and force her to choose himself instead of her husband. Shane also manipulated Rick and the people of the farm to be scared when the stranger who knew Maggie came on and then Shane killed him, making it look like combat, when he assassinated him. Also he killed Otis and lied about it to remain in his family's home. That was pretty fucked up.
This was the episode that really got me into the show. I was not a fan of the drama-oriented approach the writers were heading in season 2 but this episode was superb and Shane was absolutely brilliant.
This episode is such a Hidden GEM!!! It perfectly shows us that Rick is going to be the leader we need. After all of Shane's talk he still could not kill walker sophia. Rick stood tall owned up to his mistake and shot it right in the face.
If Rick had been more careful with her and didn’t leave her by herself in that marsh, she would have been with them on the farm the entire time, but this time alive.
Shane was surprised, Rick was pissed off.
I don't think it's that Shane couldn't. It's just that he knew it was Rick's mess to clean up. He F'd up majorly by leaving her by herself. Shane put it best "kid's tired and scared she just had a close call with two walkers gotta wonder how much of what you said stuck"
@BrandonFlint-ro2ns
Nah Shane couldn't even look at her, he *couldn't* bring himself to do it
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Wow thank you very much!
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100%
Season 2 has always been my favorite season and im glad people are giving it more respect now
Hershel probably felt that way about the walkers in the barn because his wife was one of them ? (Something about not being able to let go )
I don't remember but didn't he keep them in there in hope to find a cure for them and to keep them from getting killed?
Yeah, the same thing with the black guy from the first few episodes (I forgot how name) and how he couldn't kill his walker wife outside of their home. Which came back to haunt him since the wife ends up being his son!
Season 2 is the best season in my eyes ; the overall heavy tone, the eerie ambiance, the false sense of security on the farm, the fact that walkers were still scary and dangerous, everything was great.
Also the characters were written to perfection, it's probably the only season where EVERY character evolve in the course of the season.
All the situations they faced raised philosophical and ethical questions and to me it's an absolute perfect blend of horror, action and what is right/wrong.
Rewatching the series also gives a good indication of the little nods being given earlier in the season to this episode, there’s one bit where Glen is describing to Maggie what Sofia was wearing and you see Hershall in the background, out of Glen’s eyeline, give a subtle shake of the head to Maggie as if to say, “say nothing”.
I remember watching this episode blind. The reveal at the end was NUTS. I audibly gasped, leaped out of my seat and stood there in awe covering my mouth.
It's rare that media makes me react physically like that, it was something else.
when the barn seems sus
S2 is so underrated, even though it got much more love in recent years
I freakin miss Shane, dude. Shane was right almost every step of the way and behold Rick ended up exactly what he was talking about and even becoming just like him at times. If only he could see how Rick turned out, I'd wonder what he'd say.
there's a dream that rick has in season 9 i think where he and shane are chatting back in the police vehicle. Shane pretty much says to Rick that it was all him (shane) that changed him (rick).
The difference is everything before Season 9 had mature themes and the show actually felt like for Adults.
Everything past Season 9 is pretty much Marvel writing for kids. That's why the show feels so different and why you are bored of characters like Maggie now. They are just 1 dimensional Super Heroes in Season 11 lol I mean look at Rositas "death". The way she fought out of the walkers is straight up some Marvel writing and ain't nobody can deny it
i agree, i feel like so many deaths later in the show could’ve been way better with the early writing, deaths like rosita’s
This is my Favorite Episode of the Show
My favorite is S2E10 "18 Miles out" everything about this Episode is perfect.
The tension, the Dialogues, the music- any person who says they don't enjoy Civilian by Wye Oak is dead to me).
The entire Randall Arc was brilliant, sadly we never got to officially see any other members of his group besides Tony and Dave, but I got a pretty nice Headcanon for whi the rest of Randalls group could have been
@UCUmcvLa6fGDAfLn1D7Bmx0A
Like I've said: S2, back when AMC caired.
For my Headcanon with Randall's group:
Randall said his OG group was 30-osh men strong, heavy loaded, Raping murdering...
Remember that Group that attacked Terminus, as we saw in S5? The one who than got put in the Contrainers as soon as Gareth and co fought back?
Those who got freed by Glenn just to be eaten in the next moment?
In my headcanon this was Randall's OG group, they murdered, they raped, they had the manpower to overtake a place like Terminus.
So In my head they left Randall to die, later came across Terminus, took it over, Gareth fought back, put Randall's OG group in the containers, Glenn rick and Co freed them.
Well probably never get to k ow the truth but this makes sense for me
This might be the first time ever someone reviewing this episode didn't play Shane running towards the barn grunting and going WHAT IS THATTTT
It’s been done enough 😂
@@thethriftytypewriter And I appreciate that so much 😂
lol I thought about it anyways
god i love this show, literally all of it. I watch the whole show on repeat and have been for years and never get bored
This was THE episode that made me absolutely fall in love with the show. Never looked back since. Even at 10 i was just enthralled
I remember the moment Sophia stepped out of the barn and my sister and I burst into tears. We were both so invested on Daryl finding her alive or dead, but never would we have thought she was right under their noses the entire time. Season 2 gets a lot of hate for being 'slow' but it has some of the best Shane and Rick moments ever. It also grows a ton of characters like Carol, Daryl, etc.
Season 2 was the worst season at the time but after getting seasons 7 onward where it doesn't even feel like the same show anymore people really grew to appreciate it I feel like.
I will never forget that feeling when Sofia walked out of that barn. It still gives me chills
I always thought that if Shane lived he’d be a bigger villain than Negan. I can see Negan as his right hand man.
This episode almost broke me this year since I haven’t had a chance to see it when it aired due to reasons. The part where a zombified Sophia and Rick putting her down really did a number. I feel bad for Carol.
I remember first watching this episode years ago and just the impact this episode had in the series felt so huge. Even rewatching it for the finale of TWD it’s crazy to see how Herschel and Shane and their actions compared to later in the show was more eye opening. This really showed who was ready for the outbreak for the future seasons for some characters.
this episode did few things that forever stayed in everyone's memory
shane's "what is that" run
rick holding his 357 revolver at impossible angle to both aim and NOT break his wrist when shooting
and sophia walker not getting hit with any impact of 357 round instead falling in the most child safe way possible
Love carol and Daryl and this was a great start to their bond
I liked seasons 1-5. These episodes got me hooked. For this show it felt like my personal time capsule of where I was when they first aired to where I’m at now. Not much with nostalgia but just with how much things have changed in just 12 years. Ending the show was bitter sweet. I’ll miss it but I’m glad it’s finally over.
I started watching this show for the first time ever, and without any spoilers, on December 2022. After finishing S11, I can't fathom how would anyone consider S2, as 'boring'. I for one greatly appreciated the contrast of having our protagonists holster their weapons and find the space to kick around the sh*t between themselves for a bit, rather than staying on the road, or in the city, where there simply wouldn't be enough space for the characters to interact with each other in such depth
Ah season 2, back when AMc actually cared
the entirety of better call saul and breaking bad:
Your joking right? Season 2 literally had the tiniest budget of any of the seasons. Whenever you like the new shows or not, AMC care about twd a hell of a lot more now.
The analysis that u give of this episode is really good and your point about how it’s impressive that what people call one of the worst seasons manages to have such a good episode is true. I remember seeing this for the first time and being completely stunned and moments like that are really present in the later seasons of day up until Glenn’s death
This was the episode that told people AMC wasn’t messing around anymore.
Been having Walking Dead withdrawal symptoms since the end of season 11, so I decided to start again from the beginning.
I realised that season 1 is great, but season 2 is superb. The mix of drama and horror, the plot, pacing and characterisation (especially the Rick and Shane dynamic) are all créme de la créme.
I also realised that it was in season 3 that I started skipping episodes for the first time; it's almost criminal to have entire episodes without Rick, even though I can see the reasons for it, but once Shane was gone, Rick became the pillar of the show and not having him for a whole episode was where they started killing the show, for me.
I also realised that seasons 3, 4, and 5 have much more of a comic book feel to them; not sure how to explain what I mean except that the show lost the sense of realism it had in seasons 1 and 2 (especially season 2) and required much more suspension of disbelief. When you watch seasons 3-5, it almost feels like a fairytale than a realistic portrayal about a fantasy zombie apocalypse .... the whole hospital drama, especially (season 5, I think) was extremely poor, almost a complete joke.
I'm currently on season 6 (don't worry, I'm not a bum; I run my own business, so I have the show playing on half the screen while I work on the other half), and it does feel a lot more realistic again, but still not on that special Frank Darabont level (yes, I know he only worked on season 1, but I like to believe that season 2 benefited from his work in season 1).
I think that the show's length is both its strength and weakness; it allows you to bond with the characters and watch them evolve but it also seems to have forced the show to become somewhat diluted by having to milk parts of it: double-edged sword, I guess.
I just wish Frank Darabont had been able to stay on - in some ways, I think the weakness in plot at some points did a disservice to the performance Andrew LIncoln gave; can you imagine Andrew Lincoln doing the entire show on a Frank Darabont-written script?
I do prefer the later walkers, though - I think Darabont's walkers are a bit too smart and agile, but maybe they would have provided more action in later seasons... who knows?
This comment is spot on. I’m currently rewatching twd, on season 7. IMO it’s a show that has to be binged on a platform once you hit the later seasons to truly enjoy it. Nothing was worse than the later seasons when they would have a whole episode without our favorite characters, then you wait a week or even two just to still not have your favorite characters in the episode. I’m season 4 they did 3 consecutive episodes of just the governor without our characters and it was brutal. Imagine waiting a week for Rick glen and daryl just to not get them a week later, or even the week after that. The show survived on hype and the characters throughout its reign on top. The show falling off entirely in viewership after glens death was proof of that. Getting rid of a lot of the filler episodes and frank darabont could’ve made it top 3 shows all time. Season 1 was so magical because it was only 6 episodes, and left a lot to the imagination. Every season that followed could’ve greatly benefited from that formula. In reality it was decent show with some great moments and episodes post darabont. crazy cause looking back, I was the biggest “fan” when it was in its prime, I started in season 2. But I actually skipped and didn’t pay attention to so much from season 3 on. Stopped all together in season 7. I know exactly what you’re saying about that comic feel. I specifically think about the second half in season 4, it felt so much like a comic book. Daryl and the claimers is the perfect example. The scenes when they have would be walking on the train tracks talking about terminus, you can visualize that scene on a comic book page.
@@tylergary5953 Yeah, I just really, really hate the whole 'governer episodes. Maybe I hate them because when he is introduced, we are simultaneously robbed of time with our 'survivors'.
I think the realism in seasons 1 and 2 came from the way the way they (Darabont, I think) crafted the human relationships that made you so invested in the characters; Shane is my favourite character in seasons 1 and 2, but Rick becomes such a beast later on - he and Darryl carried the show for a long time, although I also really enjoyed Glen and Maggie early on.
Did you watch Bernthal's interview with the woman who played Lori on his show, 'The Real Ones'? Very interesting how they said they reacted to Darabont getting fired.
Amazing comment 👏
Season 2 I actually hated at first then I finally went back and re watch and wow it was actually one of the better seasons , especially cause of jon Bernthal’s performance as shane
I feel like this was such a significant episode and remains an all-time classic for the show and in TV history. Also, a huge change for the show with the episode being the last of Frank Darabont's TWD
yeah i just stumbled across your channel because of twd because i became obsessed with it again and i couldn’t stop watching i hope to see more great content in 2023 much love
Pretty Much Dead Already? huh, i never focus on episode's name, i remember only "Cherokee Rose" name
Every time I watch this season back on DVD and watch this episode it brings back the memories when I saw Sophia as a walker where most of us thought she was still alive but most said she wasn’t and this episode confirmed it
Bro I love your video essays I listen to them at work on loop and they are just wonderful and well spoken
I can still remember exactly where I was when I watched this episode, almost every episode afterwards fades into the blur of life but this episode stands out as a defining moment for me (and the man watching it over my sholder on the train, who was equally shocked)
I still remember when I watched this episode live. I was sooo in shock. Then burst into tears. Wow. Thx for the memories.
Whoever said season 2 was the weakest is crazy ngl its tells such a complete story
my all time favorite episode is Nebraska. that solidified Rick as being someone who does exactly what needs to be done
This episode just makes me love Shane's character even more because..he was right.
He really wasn’t. He was the embodiment of “when you’re a hammer, everything is a nail”. He fails to read the situation properly and decides his way is the only way and can’t even follow through when Sofia walks out, ignoring that they most likely slaughtered a number of people that were Hershel’s friends and family. Think of what happens if Hershel doesn’t end up coming around. What if he decides you’ve killed his family and wantonly disobeyed his rules for your own arrogance? Are they gonna kill an old man as well who clearly isn’t delusional, only a little optimistic? His argument when shooting the walker doesn’t even make sense. There are plenty of plausible ways a walker could shrug off being shot, hell even guys on bath salts can take a few bullets as long as it doesn’t hit anything north of their neck or their spine. Shane was the epitome of a leader who lacks the intelligence to make good decisions, the awareness to analyze a situation in its entirety, and the courage to fully follow through on the decisions he makes.
@@filecorrupted8540 given in later seasons rick sort of did some of the stuff shane said would need to be done
@@dollface2907 Even though I hated Shane when he was around, I also loved him as an antagonist/villain/antihero/whatever. He was just too ahead of his time, and the show makes note of that later through other characters. His moral compass was already out of the window while the rest of the group was still trying to navigate theirs, which you see, also becomes diluted as the show progresses.
@@dollface2907I don’t agree with op tho. I wouldn’t necessarily say he was “right.” Definitely could’ve handled things a lot better.
@@angelwut469 tbh it would of been better if Shane stayed alive, it make more sense for him to fight negan then rick in some ways, maybe pull a Morgan and have him leave the farm trying to pull the horde away
This episode and that scene with Shane with that barn burner when he does the thing that needs to be done with style I get goosebumps with j b’s acting is what makes this scene and season great
I just rewatched the last scene Scott Wilson(Herschel) did with Rick when they were in (what I assume was) heaven and I blubbered. It makes me so sad he’s passed away and watching that scene breaks my heart every time with them together. Those first 2 seasons are special
My one claim to TWD fame: My cousins own Herschel’s farm and I used to fish there as a kid.
I really love this Walking Dead series you are doing. I would watch a video about any and all episodes even though I know many of them are buildups (or filler) for heavy hitters like this one. I love season 2 especially 2B. After this ep, the group realizes that there is no hope anymore. I would love to see a video on any of the episodes in 2B. Nebraska has Rick kill his first 2 humans. You could do something on "How Nebraska shows Rick beginning to become more like Shane" Or 18 Miles Out showing Rick give Shane one last chance to be cool. The season 2 finale of course is amazing to me as well. I hope you keep these videos coming for a while. There are so many thought provoking episodes that I would love to see a video of. Just a few that you haven't covered yet that I would love to see (other than the 2B ones I mentioned): Seed, Killer Within, Clear, Welcome to the Tombs (how Rick taking in Woodbury residents helped him get over Lori's death), The Grove, Internment,Tyreese's last episode, Them, Bury Me Here, Omega (Lydia's abuse and how Daryl feels sympathy for that), Scars, The Calm Before. Maybe even a combined video of the 2 Governor solo eps.
They weren't even worried that much about other people at that time, they were in the beginning of a worldwide crisis and were just thinking about pure survival while being in a cozy spot, which can lead to a lot of character development through conversations and bonding, that was lost in the last seasons
I love watching the earlier seasons back and seeing how each death had such an impact then, you really felt the weight
this episode was so so good man. i’d love if you talked about “wrath” sometime, but i loved this video!
Probably one of the most heartbreaking scenes in any tv show when Sophia walked out of that barn... 😭
And this was like the beginning of how Darryl always loses what he cares about. He was basically the last person (besides Carl) to really care about finding Sophia, even more than Carol somehow. Then later he gets attached to Beth, and then watched her get killed. Then for people who have watched the later seasons know there's one more...
I remember watching this episode extremely vividly because of the barn scene, and the fact that no one had spoiled it for me. I was in shock, and only a few episodes in the entire series had the same effect (aside from "The Grove").
I remember watching this episode for the first time and although I had already fallen in love with the show, seeing Sophia walk out of the barn cemented my love for this show and it has remained my favorite show ever since
I think it would be cool to cover TS-19 because I thought the Atlanta Group would be safe inside the Center for Disease Control building would be a safe place for the group. And we almost lost Andrea as well. The building burnt down, and that tells us that it us very unlikely that they will find a cure for the apocalypse.
I'm not addicted to these videos and I realized I'm early to this this episode shocked me when I first seen it tbh love itt
i found you during 2021, honestly wish i found you sooner cause i love your TWD lore videos
One of the absolute best divergences from the comics. That barn scene is one of the best and one of my favorites.
Hey, just saw your Cloverfield video! Loved it a lot. Any plans for another Cloverfield related video?
Next video will be another Cloverfield one! 👀 sometime after the new year
Happy Holidays My guy Also Great Video!
You make such good videos and analyze so much, where were you all these years/seasons
Enjoying the ride like everyone else. Much more to come from this universe though 😉
I’m glad you mentioned the 45 degree angle aim, I feel like I’m the only one who noticed lmao
Carl says.... I bet shopia will like the farm..
Yeah.. She likes farm alright. 😂
your channel is amazing! keep it up!
Love your vids and have a happy new year
u said that shane lettin rick step up to take care of sophia shows rick's leadership but how i view it shane considered sophia dead after the first 3 days he told em they were lookin for a body so him lettin someone else someone who held hope to find the girl be the one to take care of her is him letting them confront the truth and reality that they refused to see apart from that amazing work i rlly enjoy ur vids
At this moment the group knew who the leader really was
This episode was the one that turned The Walking Dead from just a show I was enjoying, to my favorite show of all time. It's rare for TV shows to hit me emotionally, Sophia's reveal was the first time a TV show actually made me cry. And TWD is the still to this day the ONLY show that has made me do that, and it's done it on multiple occasions throughout its 11 seasons. It the episode that made me realise just how much I'd connected with these characters and wanted the best for, almost, all of them. It was the episode that made me know that, no matter what, I was in this till the end.
I've always liked the way that when Dale tries to stand up to Shane, Shane makes it clear that he doesn't gaf what Dale thinks or says or does. But when Hershel pretty much tells Shane to shut his fkn mouth, Shane does just that.
''Rick steps forward, aiming the gun at a 45 degree angle as per usual''
Amazing video as always
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You just know when they were on the road and starving, almost eating cat food and dogs.. she regretted wasting that egg🥲😅
Just to go into it more - though you did touch on it - What I also like is that, throughout this episode - and the season - Rick and Shane are always butting heads on basically who should be the leader. Shane had stated multiple times that Rick couldn't make the hard choices when push came to shove, while Rick was saying he could and he was simply trying to keep it democratic and peaceful, to keep the group together. As you said, when it came to normal walkers that they didn't know, everyone shot without issue, while Rick _(and Hershel)_ were simply stunned into silence. When Sophia came out however, no one could dare to pull the trigger. Not even Shane, who the entire time was saying he could make the hard decisions to keep everyone alive, could put her down. He could only look on in disbelief and his own form of grief. In my opinion, as a leader, he failed. When no one else could step, he was supposed, and he couldn't do it.
Only Rick, the one Shane and many others had been doubting and questioning, had the willpower and balls to walk up to the little girl - that they had all come to love as their own daughter and little sister, in a way - raise his gun, and put her to rest. Rick was the only one who could make that hard decision to put her down, willing to bear that burden and have the blood on his hands, relatively speaking. He stepped up as the *TRUE* leader, when no one else could, including Shane. it really was a very another nice comparison between Rick & Shane
You could also very well argue that Rick has become exactly like Shane in later seasons - which even the show touches on here and there - which is a fair and fun discussion to have, but if I also go into that in the same comment, we'll have a novel on our hands lmao
You nailed it. That's why IMO it's the best season because Shane was a great villain and then the epic finale at the farmhouse and the discovery that the zombie virus has gone airborne was amazing. It went downhill after the Governor.
I mean, it's not the first time Rick shot a little girl walker. So he would be kinda used to it.
i am on season 9 and havent been spoiled for anything at all... this episode freakin freaked me outt
This was the episode that sold me on the show. I had watched the 1st few episodes after they originally aired and didn't really care for it. I did not retry it until the Glenn/dumpster event. I couldn't believe how everyone's minds were melting for a few weeks as they were sorting that out. AMC had run a TWD marathon during the midseason break, so I DVR'd it. I was ok with the 1st season, and was trudging along the 2nd season. But, when we got here and they were willing to pull this move of killing Sophia, I was sold. I binged the rest and caught up for the start of live episodes.
This is the episode where Shane goes "Who is that? HUUEEH, who is that?!! HUUEGHH!"
Where the meme was born
Looking back, I can recall that the "shock" part of this episode went over my head until a few minutes after it ended because Sophia had been gone for so long by that point that I completely forgot what she looked like. So when that moment happened, I thought it was pretty much just any other child walker and didn't understand why everyone was reacting the way that they were (kid walkers weren't a new thing by that point), until after everything calmed down and I had to piece it all together.
And this was while I was binge-watching the show.
It was the most emotional moment for me in the whole show. Now when i rewatch the scene tears make by eyes wet again 😭
I wrote a fanfic a while ago that redid this episode; it had Glenn use his bravery found in that difficult conversation with Maggie to summon up the courage to tell Rick about Shane and Lori. Rick, overcome with emotion later when Shane talks to Carl and then goes to the barn; orders everyone to stand down and let Shane confront the consequences of his actions. The walkers tore Shane apart after he runs out of ammo; and seeing people he knew in life do something so awful in their undeath convinces Hershel that they can’t be cured. Shane laughs about ‘going out like Otis’ before he dies, and Maggie shoots him so he can’t turn.
I think people don’t like season two because to them “it’s boring” for me, I like drama. I like more character driven stories and this season did great at that especially with Rick and Shane. I love the overall vibe of the farm and I get so nostalgic going back and watching this season. I’d probably say the peak was seasons 3, 4, and 5, but season two just has its own very different feel
GREAT Episode and CRAZY Ending of this Episode.
Thank You for the Review Video, and Happy New Year 😀
Daryl holding Carol here and then during the pike scene years later. Good touch