About the hospital scene tho. I always viewed him knowing Rick is alive but wasnt able to carry him out. The only way rick was able to live was to barricade the door and let him stay hooked on the iv. Telling Lori thats Rick is dead because it was wayy more probable then him surviving.
Not to mention it may have also been the only way she would leave to go to Atlanta at the time. How many people were lost, because they refused to leave a loved one at the hospital? Something we.will never know.
@@kevinfox500 Indeed. Lori would probabluy risk going back for Rick if she knew that there was a chance of him surviving. I get why Shane told her he was dead. She would probably risk everything, even Carl for getting Rick out.
@@bm337 fully agree. If it was my wife or daughter, I'd walk back, barefoot, over broken glass to get there, if there was a chance they were alive. That's IF I left.
@@kevinfox500 that and the military 1000% would have killed him and Rick had he tried it. He wouldn't have been able to escape unseen had he attempted to carry a full grown man out with him.
I personally can't even fault Shane for leaving Rick in the hospital. In that moment Shane needed to move fast. Rick probably weighed 150-170 depending on weight loss while in the hospital. Shane would've made it 2 ft out of that room before a soldier spotted Shane slowly carrying a grown man. Or a walker could've easily got the drop on him while focusing on Rick. And that would doom Lori and Carl. I think he did his best with what he had and in doing so was able to protect Ricks family.
Agreed. While I suggested he might have been able to try saving Rick, at around the 3min mark my conclusion on that scene was that we simply have to give Shane the benefit of the doubt; he did what he thought was best in a no-win situation.
Also , even if Shane got Rick out and back to the camp or where ever Lori and Carl were , there was a chance he (Rick) would of died anyway. Shane was stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Yea totally I mean you see how distraught Shane is when he realizes he can’t save Rick I mean Rick wasn’t waking up Shane tried his absolute best. Probably more than most peoples best friend would
@@inthemindofavillain I'd argue that leaving Rick was objectively right. They both would have died if Shane tried carrying him out of there. Albeit a slim one, Rick at least had a chance of survival by being hid away, and it ended up paying off. It was the only thing Shane could've done that made sense and wouldn't have effectively been suicide.
At first I hated Shane because of black & white reasons. I understand why he did what did, but I don’t condone it. His obsession with Lori drove him insane. He was the one that adapted to the new world very quickly while the others were too slow to adjust. The speech he gave the group on the farm is almost verbatim what Rick told the people of Alexandria. Even if he succeeded in his plan to kill Rick, the walkers would’ve descended on the farm more people would’ve been killed. If by some miracle, they all made it out alive, Darryl & Glenn would’ve figured out Shane was lying about Rick and killed him. All of that would’ve been for nothing. He had good survival instincts for himself, but not for the good of the group. Jon Bernthal’s performance was outstanding. Him getting killed off The Walking Dead was a blessing because he got to be in other movies, tv shows, and The Punisher 💀
Only Shanes's plan was not to kill Rick. Shane wanted Rick to kill him. Shanes's gun was empty. They also confirm this in 9x5. He wasn't there to kill Rick, he lead them out there to die.
Shane didn't beat Ed as "he (Ed) was ABOUT to hit his wife again." He literally hits her before Shane steps in. Definitely justified and well deserved, Shane had been very soft and respectful with him before, like the fire incident, so he needed to be put in his place for once. Ed didn't deserve any amiable correction. He needed something to fear because he wasn't rational nor willing to respect the rules
Ed definitely wasn’t referring to Shane’s gun when he said “go on pull it out” he was telling Carol to take the log out of the fire which is why she did immediately after Ed saying that
7:35 A lot of people like to forget and/or write off that before Shane kills Otis, Shane tells him to go on without him. He knew only one of them would get away and he was willing to let it be Otis, but Otis refused him, so Shane decided he had to kill him instead. Character is very complex
All of that was just his paranoia. Both of them would made it out alive. He was beating the poor guy on the one spot for the entire half of a minute dammit!
@maccheesey2746 If true (no offense) that makes so much fucking sense, I feel as if Shane knew who he was and how he would turn out (roughly) in the apocalypse. Almost as if he gets in his mind regretting almost killing himself for a "nobody" .
It fits his character. Shane is all about "if you can make the tough choices." When Otis couldn't make the tough decision to leave him behind, he knew that he was weak and decided he didn't have what it takes, so he shot him and left him behind.
@@maccheesey2746 Shane had his leg injured and Otis was fatigued, that's true, but in the flashback, you can see both of them doing a good job, being further from the horde than the've fallen. The number of the ammos doesn't matter, it only adds more walkers. You can't shake this one off dude. Only thing Shane was not responsible, was his paranoia he had from the moment he met his love's husband back in the camp. Paranoia is (believe it or not) strenghtening the ill mental state. Does it make sense? Yes or no?
I think the hospital scene wasn’t him being a villain. I think he was too stressed, scared and panicked to properly evaluate the situation. I think his brain wasn’t getting all the information correctly and he couldn’t think clearly. So he did what he thought was best.
Shane really got dealt a rough hand here, I’ve always sympathized with him. The second Rick (his best friend, mind you), came back, Lori became borderline cruel in every interaction with him, as if he could have possibly known. IMO it’s because Lori doesn’t want to have to think about it or live with it, now that her family is back together. But you can’t tell me Shane wasn’t coming into a father figure like role for Carl, as well as getting very close with Lori (I assume, we don’t see much emotional depth to their relationship but I think it happens offscreen. Shane probably felt comfortable, maybe even some kind of happy. I think it’s implied that he was more or less leading the group, more democratically than Rick would later run it, and Ithink he probably had some kind of sense of importance and purpose. And then his best friend is back, basically from the dead, and before he even gets to process his feelings about all of this, Lori is turning cold and cruel to protect herself from thinking about it. I can only imagine what a rollercoaster of emotion it would be to find yourself in these circumstances. Not only has his defacto family unit been pulled out from under him like it might as well have never existed, that will hurt your feelings wherever there’s an apocalypse or not. Add to that, that (albeit unbeknownst to Rick), Rick just walks up and completely disassembles any semblance of normality our routine that Shane has been building. The rest of the group basically accepting Rick as the leader, when I’m sure Shane saw himself that way, is just the cherry on top. And I think he still behaves reasonably for a while before he starts getting dark. I know some people see him as kind of a bully, or a hothead, both of which are fair assessments, but I don’t think he’s at all mean spirited. He was basically the leader before Rick came back, and he continuously struggles to find a new place to fit in along the group dynamic, for basically the rest of his life. I think his anger is more of frustration than hate or malice. He’s trying to tell Rick what he needs to know to be able to survive, because he loves him, and Lori and Carl and probably the rest of the group to an extent. I think he’s mad the way a parent might sound mad, sternly and loudly telling their kid not to put his hand on the stove, you know? It’s done with love. Shane loves these people and has to watch Rick hesitate or make decisions that lead to his friends and family dying, when Shane knows better, and says so, but is continuously dismissed. Man I don’t think anyone could take the emotional burden of all of that, on top of the literal apocalypse and be expected not to crumble and fall apart. This is really such a well written show. I’d say Shane is one of the most compelling antagonists in television history, period. Almost like a reverse anti-hero, he’s like an anti-villain. I could have watched him act the fuck out of this character for the entire length of the series. Ultimately I think staying with this group doomed him. I wish he had gone away, for his sake and storytelling’s sake. The idea of Shane falling in with another group and sometimes crossing paths with his old group, would have been a really interesting angle
Agreed, Shane has many valid points, which are somewhat justified in retrospect in light of Rick's character in subsequent seasons. Future Rick and S2 Shane would've been great allies.
Having Shane pop in a few seasons later as a villain or having him save the group somehow would have amazing. I loved his character ever since I was a little kid watching on tv. I’m not a hotheaded person at all nor am I aggressive unless I need to be so I’m not sure why I’ve always resonated with his character.
The problem with this assessment is that most everybody DID agree with Shane, except he decided to do things in the most hotheaded way possible when if he had just spoken like a normal person, everyone would've listened. Herschel is the only character who legitimately disagreed with Shane, and Shane would've been just fine if he didn't decide to try and kill Rick so he could have Lori to himself. Shane was his own downfall, everyone else actually tried giving him many chances and he blew it.
Tbf to Lori, Shane did lie about Rick being dead. If he had told the truth everything would have gone better. Without being out of character, Shane telling his truth would have been something like: "I don't know, he had vitals before the electricity went off, I checked for a heartbeat after but couldn't hear one, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything, there was gunfire, explosions in the distance, and he was comatosed. I had to leave, but I shut his door and barricaded it as best I could before soldiers and walkers drove me off, just in case he was still alive." Instead he chose to say Rick was definitely dead and started banging his traumatized wife.
Also let’s call it what it is. They were just tryna find closure for Sophia going missing. Even Shane pointed it out you’re just looking for a body at that point in time
Not really...Rick Evolved, as They All Did, but with Better Ethics & Kept The Group Alive.. Robert Kirkman himself has said if Shane lived, he would've k*d Off The Entire Group, except Lori & Carl...
What's crazy to me is if you put aside Shane's jealousy for Lori, he's exactly the kind of person rick eventually becomes.. I think rick was holding on to his humanity for too long
To be fair, Rick had less time to adjust to the new world he was living in due to his coma. He still was thinking with a pre-apocalypse mindset. While everyone else had already accepted their new reality.
Rick woke up a month and some change later. Shane and the others had time to adapt. Keep that in mind. Also, Shane's obsession is what got him killed, not his 'survival instincts'
His coma had nothing to do with his poor decision making suchas leaving Sophia in the woods alone and bringing an enemy combatant back to his camp those are flat-out dummy moves.
I wondered if Shane and Lori had something going on before the apocalypse. When Shane and Rick were on duty as a police officers in episode 1, Shane ask about Lori with this look that He wanted to know how their (Rick and Lori) relationship was doing, but he didn’t want to know. You see jealousy on Shane’s face then. When Rick is talking about his and Lori’s troubles, Shane is Shane again (laughing and looks relieved). When Rick is reunited with Lori… Lori tells Rick “I thought you were dead”, because her guilt was eating her up. Most women in that situation wouldn’t have jumped into Shane’s arms that fast. Lori speaks of giving everyone “time to mourn” but she didn’t do that for Rick. If she was truly that kind of person, then she wouldn’t have started a relationship with Shane. Unless she wanted him before the apocalypse or had crossed that line before. Same thing with Shane. I don’t believe he would’ve crossed that line so soon after Rick, unless there was something going on before.
Good observation, that's possibly true. At the very least there was some pre-existing attraction. Also didn't help that Rick and Lori's marriage was on the rocks.
I have my doubts, beyond an interest, as Shane was as close as a brother to them. They, as partners, also worked together, frequently. It's harder to pull off an affair, when the nusband shares your shift, and both are off dutt, at the same time, AND successfully keep it hidden. Being on sofferent shifts made it far easier for my ex wife, ahen sje did it, and it still didn't take long for me to notice that something was going on. Catching them, at that point, was easy, because she made mistakes. What happened on the road WAS the first time, only, in the comics. Shane says Ive wanted you for so long. And as someone who had to start over, after a decade, it being someone you are close to does make it easier. I don't hold Lori responsible in this cass, as Shane did, clearly, mislead her, but also had a decent reason to have done so, as odds are Rick was dead. Only plot armor saved him. Not to mention, rcen at age 7, Carl would have noticed something off, and likely told his dad. Not what waa going on, but maybe Shane being around, while Rick was out, mentioned in passing, cluing Rick in. That's the problem with cheating. A lot has to go right, to keep it hidden, but a single mistake is what usially ends up being what reveals the truth. Not to mention, getting caught would have cost shane, as much as it would have cost Rick, if not more. Especially working as a LEO in the same small town department, or SD, as on the show. Proven untrustworthy, his career would be over, Lori likely would have moved on, and left him in the end, as that's how most cases like that work. Not saying can't be the case. Just highly unlikely.
As to sonething going on, keep in mond that shane was also trying to lighten the mood in that scene, because of the bond he and rick have. Not the actions of a man doing his friend's wife. He would have been advising they split, and bringing up local attorneys, that could handle the divorce, making it easier to aquire her. Guilt free, as she abd Rick would no longer be an item. Nuce little slut shane there, but you seem to have forgotten one thing. If Shane and Rick were that close, Brothers in a sense, he and Lori woukd Also be that close. They grew up in the same small town. They had a decade of family interaction before the turn. Where you are correct is that most cases, it is someone you know, and she knows, that they cheat with. Good theory, and good observation, even if it is flawed.
I think the reason for shane's obsession with rick's family was that after all hell broke loose and everything became chaos, he ended up finding a reason to survive and fight for, which was lori and carl. The proof of this was when Shane says that he didn't keep the two alive, but they kept him alive. And Rick's return made him lose his mind, because he ended up taking it away from him. He was a good character, too bad he lost himself 😢
Shane was absolutely right to leave Rick. In the end it 99% saved them both. Trying to get him out of the hospital would have gotten them both killed. Also there's a good chance he wouldn't have heard a heart beat amongst all the chaos.
Agreed. While I suggested he might have been able to try saving Rick, at around the 3min mark my conclusion on that scene was that we simply have to give Shane the benefit of the doubt; he did what he thought was best in a no-win situation.
I actually always liked Shane, he truly wasn’t lying to Lori when he said that he thought Rick was dead. He listened for his heart but couldn’t hear it, so just in case he was alive he blocked his room off. He probably ended up saying he was dead because of how much time had passed and he honestly didn’t think he made it. In the end he was right too, you have to make the hard decisions that are can be evil sometimes to protect those you care about. But he did lose it once he went bald so, not all good
Not gonna lie I have to disagree hard with your first few minutes of assessment, particularly his actions in the hospital. I'm not sure what you expected him to do after all else was said and done. Looking at it objectively the guy did the following: - Rushed headfirst into a hospital that was actively falling to the military on one end and the walkers on another - Tried to get a nurse to help him get Rick out of the room (she refused and kept running) - Ran through the hospital again to find a bed while the military was executing people indiscriminately - Made it back to Rick's room with said bed and began attempting to disconnect him from his medical equipment - Had to hide from a military death-squad while in the middle of the prior move - While attempting to move him the military bombs the hell out of the hospital and everything blacks out - Shane in the middle of the world ending, bombs falling, people screaming, and death down the hall cant tell if Rick has a pulse or not (totally believable) - Shane makes one final attempt to stand guard at Rick's doorway with his sidearm before realizing he will die if stays here - Shane slams the door shut and blocks it (ultimately saving Rick) The dude did more than just about anyone would do and could reasonably be asked to. Faulting him for not picking up a fully comatose adult and then attempting to somehow avoid the walkers, military, and who knows what else is just unfair.
AMEN!!! Well said and totally agree!!! I've been preaching that from the moment I watched that scene. Shane attempted to save Rick, alone with no support and in the middle of chaos. He also attempted to save Otis by telling Oris to go and save himself, but Otis refused, so Shane made the hard choice of sacrificing Otis to save bit only himself but Carl... Shane knew what was up and tried so many ways to get the group to understand that in an apocalypse, the "old/normal" way of thinking needs to be altered, and surviving is key. Rick sadly realized what Shane did and was rung to do, despite his obsessive love for Lori, was the way to be and said so when he told the group "this is not a democracy anymore". IMO, Shane was not a villain but misunderstood.
I've thought similar for Shane in the beginning. It's clear he has little to no medical experience (checking for a pulse by ear rather than a pulse check with your fingers over an artery) and for him with the gun fire and bombs I believe he couldn't tell he has a pulse by listening. I always thought he shut the door and barricaded it because he didn't want Rick to become food for the walkers coming down the hall.
Exactly. Even in one in a million if he managed to get both himself and Rick out of there, Rick would ultimately die, as he would still be in a comma without the equipment and the room to sustain him and keep him safe and isolated.
Honestly, I saw what he did as the best thing other than shooting Rick. He couldn't get him out so he blocked him in to keep the walkers away from him. He could have just run away with the door open.
I mean, I probably would have done the same as Shane in the hospital. I can't remember what Rick's prognosis was like but if we're talking coma/needing intensive care, I would have barricaded the doors best I could and left my friend attached to the medical equipment keeping them alive. I think I would still be assuming that the miltary would be able to get everything under control and hopefully do so in time to go back and help my friend again. Then if the world ended, it'd be hard to imagine someone in Rick's position surviving, and going back would be a suicide mission. Pretty sure if I was left protecting their wife and child, my friend wouldn't want them to go back and be put in huge danger on the slim chance they were still alive so I can understand lying to them that their father/husband was already dead for their own safety.
Shane is still one of my favorite characters tbh I wish him and Rick could have gotten over loris ass and worked as a great team. Rick eventually understood his way of thinking I wouldn’t necessarily call Shane evil though
I'd have to go back and watch, but even from just the clips you used, it looked like the monitors were dead, and so he wouldn't have been able to reference them. Also, the fact that he barricades Rick in his room shows that even if he thought he was dead, he didn't want a walker coming in and eating up his best friend. Shane truly cared for Rick but that began to wane as he fell completely in love with Lori, then he looked at him as competition.
Correct, as Shane reasons to Lori, he claimed that he didn't know if Rick was still alive. But my suggestion is that just before the screens went dark, the monitor showed signs of life. Agreed on the barricading of the room due to the possibility that Rick could still be alive. Shane's life could be said to be a series of unfortunate events.
Shane was a tragic villain, he didn't enjoy being the bad guy or enjoy watching people suffer he just realised the harsh realities of what needed to be done to survive and his abilities made him think he was a better fit for Lori than Rick and his feelings for Lori was his weakness and caused his tragic demise.
shane is such a great character, and i hated his guts throughout his run on the show, even rejoicing when he died. however, so many times, i found myself siding with him. he could have been the reason to rick's empathy and acted as a foil in a positive way, but instead his arc took a dark turn. and as mentioned in the video, he fully recognised that the group may be better off without him and almost left. even when he left otis to die, i was shocked, but couldnt pretend that theres no way i wouldnt do the same in his situation. all in all, hes a realistic representation of what survival instincts may look like in this situation. in these circumstances, any one of us could be rick, but we could all also be shane. seeing him be a horrible person yet agreeing with him presents us an unpleasant mirror to our own nature, and its disturbing to think that we could all one day be shane
Extremely pivotal character and his devotion to Rick is not to be underestimated. But he did wake up fast in the new world. Some people are just primed for a life, they most likely never would experience, without a world extinction event.
You make some very good points, some of which I never thought about. I never noticed how quickly Shane came to a violent solution even back in season 1. It seems that, to Shane, violence was always the best solution for pretty much everything.
I feel in a zombie apocalypse I'd turn out like Shane, being a zombie fanatic and seeing everything going down I would know immediately what type of world earth would be if I ever saw zombie stuff irl. However my family wouldn't agree with me.
@@TheJayLordx ya lmao shooting a gun and hand to hand combat doesn’t come easy at all, Look at Andrea when Shane was teaching her she couldn’t hit the swinging piece of wood. Of course later in the episode she is able to be a dead shot but that’s just advancing the story, it’s not that easy at all. It would take weeks of training. Then hand to hand is a whole other breed, you have to be able to counter the other persons attacks perfectly then somehow find a way to Jab whatever you have into their lung area or chest. Or be smart enough to use your surroundings. I wish this person luck In whatever they think is real lol. Gonna be like the guy jerry that tyrease talked about. Him and shasha stayed in his bunker/shelter he made at the start. I would never want to live in that much fear In the real. Because that would be your driver in your mind for everything you do.
Shane was always just being practical. You’ve got Rick laid out in a coma, and Shane’s supposed to babysit him while the world’s ending? What’s he supposed to do, drag him around like it’s 'Weekend at Bernie’s'?
I love this Video its very nicely made. Shane is one of my favourite Characters and Jon Bernthal's acting was amazing. I wished he wouldve stayed longer in TWD. Maybe a Video about Negan would be interesting aswell. Sure you can put alot of information in that one
i feel like leaving rick in the hospital was the best option given the situation, carrying rick out probably would’ve gotten them both killed but barricading rick in gave rick a chance if/when he woke up plus it ensured shane’s survival so it was just the best call in a shitty situation
I’m stoked you made this video! What a great character and larger than life portrayal by Jon Bernthal. To me Shane was more or less a good guy with some heelish tendencies and a fatal attraction sort of locked him into crash course down the dark path. I have heard some make the analogy that Shane is the embodiment of Ricks shadow or dark side and would tend to agree with that. He sort of reminds me of black suit Spider-Man in season 1 and slowly becomes venom by the end of season 2 - just a thought.
I thought in the confrontation with Ed over the fire when Ed says “go on then, pull it out” that Ed was telling Carol to pull the log out of the fire - perhaps I missed that
I think many people don’t like Lori because we see her as who she really is. She wasn’t the perfect wife, she didn’t “mourn” her husband as women are expected to. She was cruel with Shane which honestly wasn’t necessary, she could’ve just talk to him and be more understanding that he acted quickly and knew Lori wouldn’t go with him if she wasn’t convinced Rick was dead. She didn’t have to break Carl and Shane’s relationship since it didn’t affect her relationship with Rick. We don’t see her as Rick and Shane do, they couldn’t see her flaws and turn into each other because they were blinded by love/obsession. But I don’t think Lori is the villain. Shane became the antagonist when he thought about murdering Rick in multiple occasions, when he assaulted Lori, when he killed Otis. He wasn’t a good man, Lori had her flaws but wasn’t inherently bad, I like her character because she’s real and not an idealized version of the perfect wife/woman and is her own person not an extension of Rick or Shane. And I don’t think Shane adapted quickly, I believe he was made for that world.
Shane wasnt a pure villain. He was a man who did the right thing and thought he had found solace after his best friend died only to have the woman he loved and son he came to think of as his own to be taken from him because she pitted Shane and Rick against one another as soon as she saw Rick alive again. It was this that made Shane become sinister because Lori was constantly leading Shane on even after Rick returned. All Shane wanted to do was to be able to talk atleast and she wouldnt allow him to do that she wanted to micromanage his every decision. As was later done to Rick. Shane even opted to leave but was once again dragged back by Lori the true evil one there I contend. Honestly I think Rick and Shane would have been able to work through their differences if not for her misdirection and deceptions and Carl wouldnt have had to lose a friend of the family who was like an uncle/father to him at such a pivotal stage in his life.
I just started watching this show recently and I wish things went differently. I feel if he could get over his hardy for Lori and go back to being good with Rick, he could have been a HUGE help to the group. I think he could have provided some good help in the Prison Arc.
I don’t understand why some people say that Shane was right. I mean, sometimes he did things that were right, but one thing is being adapted and another thing is becoming a monster. Yeah, ghouls aren’t people, Rick was probably dead and you have to take hard decisions in a world like that, but… he aimed at Rick, assaulted Lori in the CDC, he killed Otis, and then he started questioning Rick about everything, he became more agressive, insane and tried to kill his best friend. Does that sound like being right or a monster? Yeah, there are a lot of bad people and dangerous things in the world, but that doesn’t mean that we’ve gotta to be the same way. The real good people can be seen when everything goes to shit. And yeah, Shane did feel guilty when he killed Otis, but if you think about the situation, there where two thing that come to mind when fighting against walkers. Stabbing them with a spear when they were at the the door, or using their shots correctly. Both Shane and Otis shot at zombies that were far away. He was really selfish, and being like that doesn’t make you a good leader. At least he made Hershel realize that walkers are dead people. Idk, that’s my take on Shane, i think he was really an Asshole. For me Dale and the old Rick really were good people.
You could see Shane making the difficult decision to leave Rick in the hospital and the soldier walks in the room, he had to duck down and he knows in that moment theirs nothing he can do, he punches down on the floor out of frustration from the impossible choice
if you look really deep into shane's eyes at 9:18 just after leaving otis you can see the guilt. his face is in pain because of the added weight of the extra bag and the pain but you can clearly see the guilt
The crazy irony part about it is every last one of them becomes like Shane. Shane seen the hordes of dead Shane seen the bombs fall ge knoe civilization would never be the same again his obsession for Lori was his downfall I bet some people on the group wish they had him when the they came across the governor and negan I god knows I did
the hospital scene gets me confused. shane could have thought he was alive, yet still left him behind a barricaded door. it must’ve been a pretty solid hold too. technically leaving rick behind those doors wasn’t meant to save his life, but ultimately did save his life. alternatively, shane would’ve brought a still healing rick through an apocalyptic mess, probably leading to a scary, painful death. bald shane would never, but this is pre-apocalypse mentality.
Shane was tactical and adapted really quick to the way things became, but he was also hellbent on being right and had a hair trigger temper. He was a loose cannon. Even in a world like that ya gotta have some morals. He probably would've threatened Herschel to help Carl and that wouldn't have gone so well
I've always seen Shane killing Otis as him seeing that being unable to make the tough choice is going to get his "family" killed. Otis was unable to make the tough choice was going to get them both killed and Carl too. The confirmation he needed that Rick wouldnt be able to protect them because Rick too wasn't able to make the tough choices. It was never about his own survival hence why he told Otis to leave him.
@@Mar_422 True, in certain ways he did become an antagonist. There were several points throughout the first two seasons where he crossed the line. Pointing the shotgun at Rick, trying to rape Lori, and being reckless. I don't really see him as a villain, though. He was my favorite walking dead character.
Shane was a great survivor that figured out how the new world worked, way sooner than anyone else. If he actually got to leave, I have no doubt he'd still be alive by the end. An interesting question though, would he have joined the Saviors? I think he probably would have
Shane did what he had to do in basically his whole time on the show. Had he been alive by the time they ran into Negan, I guarantee he would’ve ended him quickly.
The thing about Shane is he’s all talk about this new world they live in and about rational thinking yet he’s the most emotional and irrational person in the entire show acting out of fear and jealousy.
I see it that Shane thought that surely Rick would die. The military was coming in and killing everyone so if they had seen Rick they would’ve surely killed him and they would have killed the brain so he doesn’t turn. I think Shane blocking the door was the best case scenario for Rick honestly
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I still miss Shane, Why couldn't Lori have kept her mouth shut & let him leave when he wanted too? He could have came back in a later Season, But NOOOOO! Lori had to manipulate him into staying, as she would later on with Rick, convincing him to kill Shane then throws a tantrum when she finds out her manipulation worked. What a terrible character, were we supposed to feel for her when Maggie gutted her to get the baby out?
She didn't want him to leave; she knew that Shane was a better leader than Rick, but she just didn't want to say it. Why else would she tell him to stop leaving? From the first time we see Shane, he takes his son, the protector of the group, and Shane and Carl protect them.
There is a difference of night and day between the first two seasons of The Walking Dead and everything after. It was a must watch TV and the tension between Rick and she was beyond riveting.
Ed was referring to the log in the fire when he said “Pull it out.” Also- Shane beating Ed was absolutely justified- people like Ed only LEARN from violence.
About the hospital scene tho. I always viewed him knowing Rick is alive but wasnt able to carry him out. The only way rick was able to live was to barricade the door and let him stay hooked on the iv. Telling Lori thats Rick is dead because it was wayy more probable then him surviving.
Not to mention it may have also been the only way she would leave to go to Atlanta at the time. How many people were lost, because they refused to leave a loved one at the hospital?
Something we.will never know.
@@kevinfox500 Indeed. Lori would probabluy risk going back for Rick if she knew that there was a chance of him surviving. I get why Shane told her he was dead. She would probably risk everything, even Carl for getting Rick out.
@@bm337 fully agree. If it was my wife or daughter, I'd walk back, barefoot, over broken glass to get there, if there was a chance they were alive.
That's IF I left.
@@kevinfox500 that and the military 1000% would have killed him and Rick had he tried it. He wouldn't have been able to escape unseen had he attempted to carry a full grown man out with him.
@@shadowwolf9909 Yeah, their first assumption would have been that Rick is infected. Wouldn't end well for either of them.
I personally can't even fault Shane for leaving Rick in the hospital. In that moment Shane needed to move fast. Rick probably weighed 150-170 depending on weight loss while in the hospital. Shane would've made it 2 ft out of that room before a soldier spotted Shane slowly carrying a grown man. Or a walker could've easily got the drop on him while focusing on Rick. And that would doom Lori and Carl. I think he did his best with what he had and in doing so was able to protect Ricks family.
Agreed. While I suggested he might have been able to try saving Rick, at around the 3min mark my conclusion on that scene was that we simply have to give Shane the benefit of the doubt; he did what he thought was best in a no-win situation.
Also , even if Shane got Rick out and back to the camp or where ever Lori and Carl were , there was a chance he (Rick) would of died anyway. Shane was stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Yea totally I mean you see how distraught Shane is when he realizes he can’t save Rick I mean Rick wasn’t waking up Shane tried his absolute best. Probably more than most peoples best friend would
@@inthemindofavillain I'd argue that leaving Rick was objectively right. They both would have died if Shane tried carrying him out of there. Albeit a slim one, Rick at least had a chance of survival by being hid away, and it ended up paying off. It was the only thing Shane could've done that made sense and wouldn't have effectively been suicide.
I’m sure “Dave” was extremely stunned.
So was Glenn, he was standing behind and slightly to the right of Dave.
Rip Dave
I LEGIT WAS LIKE "DAVE?!"
@@quintontyler7390 same lmfao
Stopped watching when he said Dave
I really appreciated that you called him CORAL and not Carl :)
Seeing how ruthless Rick becomes, imagine what Shane would have turned into…..
Niegan probably
He would have joined the Saviors probably….
@@buffcups why did you spell negan like the n word
@@Abcdefghhhh LMAOOO they just added a I it’s not really close fr
@@Abcdefghhhhyou see a word with the letters n,i &g and you immediately think of the n word?
At first I hated Shane because of black & white reasons. I understand why he did what did, but I don’t condone it. His obsession with Lori drove him insane. He was the one that adapted to the new world very quickly while the others were too slow to adjust. The speech he gave the group on the farm is almost verbatim what Rick told the people of Alexandria. Even if he succeeded in his plan to kill Rick, the walkers would’ve descended on the farm more people would’ve been killed. If by some miracle, they all made it out alive, Darryl & Glenn would’ve figured out Shane was lying about Rick and killed him. All of that would’ve been for nothing. He had good survival instincts for himself, but not for the good of the group.
Jon Bernthal’s performance was outstanding. Him getting killed off The Walking Dead was a blessing because he got to be in other movies, tv shows, and The Punisher 💀
100% Jon Bernthal was perfect as Frank Castle, his best role yet.
Shane is a better actor than Rick
@@HistoryandReviews Neither Shane nor Rick are actors.
@@Ares99999Andrew Lincoln was an actor before the walking dead dibshit
Only Shanes's plan was not to kill Rick. Shane wanted Rick to kill him. Shanes's gun was empty. They also confirm this in 9x5. He wasn't there to kill Rick, he lead them out there to die.
Shane didn't beat Ed as "he (Ed) was ABOUT to hit his wife again." He literally hits her before Shane steps in. Definitely justified and well deserved, Shane had been very soft and respectful with him before, like the fire incident, so he needed to be put in his place for once. Ed didn't deserve any amiable correction. He needed something to fear because he wasn't rational nor willing to respect the rules
Man Lori was something else , always up in Ricks ear then she goes & tells Shane about the baby . She’s the real villain
I have always said this!
I have always despised Lori.
*LORI WAS ALWAYS THE VILLAIN*
Her actress was the same on *PRISON BREAK!*
The evil of gaslighting
Wrong. Skyler white is the real villain
To this date, Shane is my favorite character. He knew what they world was coming to and was the the first person ready to adapt.
Ed definitely wasn’t referring to Shane’s gun when he said “go on pull it out” he was telling Carol to take the log out of the fire which is why she did immediately after Ed saying that
7:35 A lot of people like to forget and/or write off that before Shane kills Otis, Shane tells him to go on without him. He knew only one of them would get away and he was willing to let it be Otis, but Otis refused him, so Shane decided he had to kill him instead. Character is very complex
All of that was just his paranoia. Both of them would made it out alive. He was beating the poor guy on the one spot for the entire half of a minute dammit!
@maccheesey2746 If true (no offense) that makes so much fucking sense, I feel as if Shane knew who he was and how he would turn out (roughly) in the apocalypse. Almost as if he gets in his mind regretting almost killing himself for a "nobody" .
It fits his character. Shane is all about "if you can make the tough choices." When Otis couldn't make the tough decision to leave him behind, he knew that he was weak and decided he didn't have what it takes, so he shot him and left him behind.
@@winegardennineveh3171 thats cap they were both slowed
@@maccheesey2746 Shane had his leg injured and Otis was fatigued, that's true, but in the flashback, you can see both of them doing a good job, being further from the horde than the've fallen. The number of the ammos doesn't matter, it only adds more walkers. You can't shake this one off dude. Only thing Shane was not responsible, was his paranoia he had from the moment he met his love's husband back in the camp. Paranoia is (believe it or not) strenghtening the ill mental state. Does it make sense? Yes or no?
I think the hospital scene wasn’t him being a villain. I think he was too stressed, scared and panicked to properly evaluate the situation. I think his brain wasn’t getting all the information correctly and he couldn’t think clearly. So he did what he thought was best.
I rly believe that he thought Rick died and just didn't want his best friends corpse to be eaten by walkers
Ed being beat up is the highlight of Shanes character. He has never been better
Shane really got dealt a rough hand here, I’ve always sympathized with him. The second Rick (his best friend, mind you), came back, Lori became borderline cruel in every interaction with him, as if he could have possibly known. IMO it’s because Lori doesn’t want to have to think about it or live with it, now that her family is back together. But you can’t tell me Shane wasn’t coming into a father figure like role for Carl, as well as getting very close with Lori (I assume, we don’t see much emotional depth to their relationship but I think it happens offscreen.
Shane probably felt comfortable, maybe even some kind of happy. I think it’s implied that he was more or less leading the group, more democratically than Rick would later run it, and Ithink he probably had some kind of sense of importance and purpose.
And then his best friend is back, basically from the dead, and before he even gets to process his feelings about all of this, Lori is turning cold and cruel to protect herself from thinking about it. I can only imagine what a rollercoaster of emotion it would be to find yourself in these circumstances.
Not only has his defacto family unit been pulled out from under him like it might as well have never existed, that will hurt your feelings wherever there’s an apocalypse or not.
Add to that, that (albeit unbeknownst to Rick), Rick just walks up and completely disassembles any semblance of normality our routine that Shane has been building.
The rest of the group basically accepting Rick as the leader, when I’m sure Shane saw himself that way, is just the cherry on top. And I think he still behaves reasonably for a while before he starts getting dark.
I know some people see him as kind of a bully, or a hothead, both of which are fair assessments, but I don’t think he’s at all mean spirited. He was basically the leader before Rick came back, and he continuously struggles to find a new place to fit in along the group dynamic, for basically the rest of his life.
I think his anger is more of frustration than hate or malice. He’s trying to tell Rick what he needs to know to be able to survive, because he loves him, and Lori and Carl and probably the rest of the group to an extent. I think he’s mad the way a parent might sound mad, sternly and loudly telling their kid not to put his hand on the stove, you know? It’s done with love. Shane loves these people and has to watch Rick hesitate or make decisions that lead to his friends and family dying, when Shane knows better, and says so, but is continuously dismissed.
Man I don’t think anyone could take the emotional burden of all of that, on top of the literal apocalypse and be expected not to crumble and fall apart.
This is really such a well written show. I’d say Shane is one of the most compelling antagonists in television history, period.
Almost like a reverse anti-hero, he’s like an anti-villain. I could have watched him act the fuck out of this character for the entire length of the series.
Ultimately I think staying with this group doomed him. I wish he had gone away, for his sake and storytelling’s sake. The idea of Shane falling in with another group and sometimes crossing paths with his old group, would have been a really interesting angle
Agreed, Shane has many valid points, which are somewhat justified in retrospect in light of Rick's character in subsequent seasons. Future Rick and S2 Shane would've been great allies.
I'd love for them to do that with Shane character. Then have it end with him joining the group
Having Shane pop in a few seasons later as a villain or having him save the group somehow would have amazing. I loved his character ever since I was a little kid watching on tv. I’m not a hotheaded person at all nor am I aggressive unless I need to be so I’m not sure why I’ve always resonated with his character.
The problem with this assessment is that most everybody DID agree with Shane, except he decided to do things in the most hotheaded way possible when if he had just spoken like a normal person, everyone would've listened. Herschel is the only character who legitimately disagreed with Shane, and Shane would've been just fine if he didn't decide to try and kill Rick so he could have Lori to himself. Shane was his own downfall, everyone else actually tried giving him many chances and he blew it.
Tbf to Lori, Shane did lie about Rick being dead. If he had told the truth everything would have gone better. Without being out of character, Shane telling his truth would have been something like:
"I don't know, he had vitals before the electricity went off, I checked for a heartbeat after but couldn't hear one, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything, there was gunfire, explosions in the distance, and he was comatosed. I had to leave, but I shut his door and barricaded it as best I could before soldiers and walkers drove me off, just in case he was still alive."
Instead he chose to say Rick was definitely dead and started banging his traumatized wife.
Also let’s call it what it is. They were just tryna find closure for Sophia going missing. Even Shane pointed it out you’re just looking for a body at that point in time
imo shane was just way more realistic than rick in the 1st season
He was just based
Rick tried to hold out hope, a man wanting to be with his family and bargain vs fighting… Shane was just ahead in knowing the broken world
How so? Rick was thrust into an unimaginable world, obviously he needed time to adapt
Not really...Rick Evolved, as They All Did, but with Better Ethics & Kept The Group Alive.. Robert Kirkman himself has said if Shane lived, he would've k*d Off The Entire Group, except Lori & Carl...
Wym realistic?
Shane was so ahead of everybody else. He alone knew that barn was full of walkers. And how to kill his friends instead of enemies.
lol glenn knew about the barn first man
@@mingdingingmasochist thank you sensei
What's crazy to me is if you put aside Shane's jealousy for Lori, he's exactly the kind of person rick eventually becomes.. I think rick was holding on to his humanity for too long
To be fair, Rick had less time to adjust to the new world he was living in due to his coma. He still was thinking with a pre-apocalypse mindset. While everyone else had already accepted their new reality.
Rick woke up a month and some change later. Shane and the others had time to adapt. Keep that in mind. Also, Shane's obsession is what got him killed, not his 'survival instincts'
His coma had nothing to do with his poor decision making suchas leaving Sophia in the woods alone and bringing an enemy combatant back to his camp those are flat-out dummy moves.
I wondered if Shane and Lori had something going on before the apocalypse. When Shane and Rick were on duty as a police officers in episode 1, Shane ask about Lori with this look that He wanted to know how their (Rick and Lori) relationship was doing, but he didn’t want to know. You see jealousy on Shane’s face then. When Rick is talking about his and Lori’s troubles, Shane is Shane again (laughing and looks relieved).
When Rick is reunited with Lori… Lori tells Rick “I thought you were dead”, because her guilt was eating her up. Most women in that situation wouldn’t have jumped into Shane’s arms that fast. Lori speaks of giving everyone “time to mourn” but she didn’t do that for Rick. If she was truly that kind of person, then she wouldn’t have started a relationship with Shane. Unless she wanted him before the apocalypse or had crossed that line before. Same thing with Shane. I don’t believe he would’ve crossed that line so soon after Rick, unless there was something going on before.
Good observation, that's possibly true. At the very least there was some pre-existing attraction. Also didn't help that Rick and Lori's marriage was on the rocks.
I thought that as well. In the first episode, Shane is portrayed as a player, and Lori is unhappy in the marriage
I have my doubts, beyond an interest, as Shane was as close as a brother to them. They, as partners, also worked together, frequently.
It's harder to pull off an affair, when the nusband shares your shift, and both are off dutt, at the same time, AND successfully keep it hidden.
Being on sofferent shifts made it far easier for my ex wife, ahen sje did it, and it still didn't take long for me to notice that something was going on. Catching them, at that point, was easy, because she made mistakes.
What happened on the road WAS the first time, only, in the comics. Shane says Ive wanted you for so long.
And as someone who had to start over, after a decade, it being someone you are close to does make it easier.
I don't hold Lori responsible in this cass, as Shane did, clearly, mislead her, but also had a decent reason to have done so, as odds are Rick was dead. Only plot armor saved him.
Not to mention, rcen at age 7, Carl would have noticed something off, and likely told his dad. Not what waa going on, but maybe Shane being around, while Rick was out, mentioned in passing, cluing Rick in.
That's the problem with cheating. A lot has to go right, to keep it hidden, but a single mistake is what usially ends up being what reveals the truth.
Not to mention, getting caught would have cost shane, as much as it would have cost Rick, if not more. Especially working as a LEO in the same small town department, or SD, as on the show.
Proven untrustworthy, his career would be over, Lori likely would have moved on, and left him in the end, as that's how most cases like that work.
Not saying can't be the case. Just highly unlikely.
As to sonething going on, keep in mond that shane was also trying to lighten the mood in that scene, because of the bond he and rick have. Not the actions of a man doing his friend's wife.
He would have been advising they split, and bringing up local attorneys, that could handle the divorce, making it easier to aquire her. Guilt free, as she abd Rick would no longer be an item.
Nuce little slut shane there, but you seem to have forgotten one thing.
If Shane and Rick were that close, Brothers in a sense, he and Lori woukd Also be that close. They grew up in the same small town. They had a decade of family interaction before the turn.
Where you are correct is that most cases, it is someone you know, and she knows, that they cheat with.
Good theory, and good observation, even if it is flawed.
Nah Shane says to Rick "I want you to know I never looked at her before all this"
Yeah. Restraining somebody that’s a known abuser for five minutes will totally make sure they don’t do it again. Ed was lucky to get a warning.
Exactly.
I think the reason for shane's obsession with rick's family was that after all hell broke loose and everything became chaos, he ended up finding a reason to survive and fight for, which was lori and carl. The proof of this was when Shane says that he didn't keep the two alive, but they kept him alive. And Rick's return made him lose his mind, because he ended up taking it away from him. He was a good character, too bad he lost himself 😢
I suspect Shane and Lorie had something going on before the fall.
Coral was such a good kid
🤣
Glad someone said it LOL
Shane was absolutely right to leave Rick. In the end it 99% saved them both. Trying to get him out of the hospital would have gotten them both killed. Also there's a good chance he wouldn't have heard a heart beat amongst all the chaos.
Agreed. While I suggested he might have been able to try saving Rick, at around the 3min mark my conclusion on that scene was that we simply have to give Shane the benefit of the doubt; he did what he thought was best in a no-win situation.
I actually always liked Shane, he truly wasn’t lying to Lori when he said that he thought Rick was dead. He listened for his heart but couldn’t hear it, so just in case he was alive he blocked his room off. He probably ended up saying he was dead because of how much time had passed and he honestly didn’t think he made it. In the end he was right too, you have to make the hard decisions that are can be evil sometimes to protect those you care about. But he did lose it once he went bald so, not all good
Not gonna lie I have to disagree hard with your first few minutes of assessment, particularly his actions in the hospital.
I'm not sure what you expected him to do after all else was said and done. Looking at it objectively the guy did the following:
- Rushed headfirst into a hospital that was actively falling to the military on one end and the walkers on another
- Tried to get a nurse to help him get Rick out of the room (she refused and kept running)
- Ran through the hospital again to find a bed while the military was executing people indiscriminately
- Made it back to Rick's room with said bed and began attempting to disconnect him from his medical equipment
- Had to hide from a military death-squad while in the middle of the prior move
- While attempting to move him the military bombs the hell out of the hospital and everything blacks out
- Shane in the middle of the world ending, bombs falling, people screaming, and death down the hall cant tell if Rick has a pulse or not (totally believable)
- Shane makes one final attempt to stand guard at Rick's doorway with his sidearm before realizing he will die if stays here
- Shane slams the door shut and blocks it (ultimately saving Rick)
The dude did more than just about anyone would do and could reasonably be asked to. Faulting him for not picking up a fully comatose adult and then attempting to somehow avoid the walkers, military, and who knows what else is just unfair.
AMEN!!! Well said and totally agree!!! I've been preaching that from the moment I watched that scene. Shane attempted to save Rick, alone with no support and in the middle of chaos. He also attempted to save Otis by telling Oris to go and save himself, but Otis refused, so Shane made the hard choice of sacrificing Otis to save bit only himself but Carl... Shane knew what was up and tried so many ways to get the group to understand that in an apocalypse, the "old/normal" way of thinking needs to be altered, and surviving is key. Rick sadly realized what Shane did and was rung to do, despite his obsessive love for Lori, was the way to be and said so when he told the group "this is not a democracy anymore". IMO, Shane was not a villain but misunderstood.
I've thought similar for Shane in the beginning. It's clear he has little to no medical experience (checking for a pulse by ear rather than a pulse check with your fingers over an artery) and for him with the gun fire and bombs I believe he couldn't tell he has a pulse by listening. I always thought he shut the door and barricaded it because he didn't want Rick to become food for the walkers coming down the hall.
Exactly. Even in one in a million if he managed to get both himself and Rick out of there, Rick would ultimately die, as he would still be in a comma without the equipment and the room to sustain him and keep him safe and isolated.
Honestly, I saw what he did as the best thing other than shooting Rick. He couldn't get him out so he blocked him in to keep the walkers away from him. He could have just run away with the door open.
Shane really was a selfish POS but thank you for helping me realize his actions at the hospital towards Rick was always honorable.
Now i understand.
I mean, I probably would have done the same as Shane in the hospital. I can't remember what Rick's prognosis was like but if we're talking coma/needing intensive care, I would have barricaded the doors best I could and left my friend attached to the medical equipment keeping them alive. I think I would still be assuming that the miltary would be able to get everything under control and hopefully do so in time to go back and help my friend again. Then if the world ended, it'd be hard to imagine someone in Rick's position surviving, and going back would be a suicide mission. Pretty sure if I was left protecting their wife and child, my friend wouldn't want them to go back and be put in huge danger on the slim chance they were still alive so I can understand lying to them that their father/husband was already dead for their own safety.
Shane is still one of my favorite characters tbh I wish him and Rick could have gotten over loris ass and worked as a great team. Rick eventually understood his way of thinking I wouldn’t necessarily call Shane evil though
That "Dave". Always in somebodies business. And Darren just wanted his brother Mort back.💀
I never thought you would delve into Shane, but here it is!
This is sick what a great character with depth and a great actor
I'd have to go back and watch, but even from just the clips you used, it looked like the monitors were dead, and so he wouldn't have been able to reference them. Also, the fact that he barricades Rick in his room shows that even if he thought he was dead, he didn't want a walker coming in and eating up his best friend. Shane truly cared for Rick but that began to wane as he fell completely in love with Lori, then he looked at him as competition.
Correct, as Shane reasons to Lori, he claimed that he didn't know if Rick was still alive. But my suggestion is that just before the screens went dark, the monitor showed signs of life. Agreed on the barricading of the room due to the possibility that Rick could still be alive. Shane's life could be said to be a series of unfortunate events.
Shane was a tragic villain, he didn't enjoy being the bad guy or enjoy watching people suffer he just realised the harsh realities of what needed to be done to survive and his abilities made him think he was a better fit for Lori than Rick and his feelings for Lori was his weakness and caused his tragic demise.
Realistically speaking, shane built for this world
shane is such a great character, and i hated his guts throughout his run on the show, even rejoicing when he died. however, so many times, i found myself siding with him. he could have been the reason to rick's empathy and acted as a foil in a positive way, but instead his arc took a dark turn. and as mentioned in the video, he fully recognised that the group may be better off without him and almost left. even when he left otis to die, i was shocked, but couldnt pretend that theres no way i wouldnt do the same in his situation. all in all, hes a realistic representation of what survival instincts may look like in this situation. in these circumstances, any one of us could be rick, but we could all also be shane. seeing him be a horrible person yet agreeing with him presents us an unpleasant mirror to our own nature, and its disturbing to think that we could all one day be shane
Extremely pivotal character and his devotion to Rick is not to be underestimated. But he did wake up fast in the new world.
Some people are just primed for a life, they most likely never would experience, without a world extinction event.
So upset he called Dale dave
My bad, good catch.
@@inthemindofavillain all good just my favorite character aside from Glenn 🤣🤣
@@Thebeltbelongstonoone thank you! He is so underappreciated! One of my top favorites as well!
goes with calling carl corel
Dave was sooooo stunned that he changed his name to Dale moments later.
what really lead shane and lori to believing rick was dead was the bombing of the city which they viewed together.
Coral and Dave were the best characters
😂😂😂. Yes Coral
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You make some very good points, some of which I never thought about. I never noticed how quickly Shane came to a violent solution even back in season 1. It seems that, to Shane, violence was always the best solution for pretty much everything.
6:57 his name is Dale not Dave lol
Lol kept calling Carl Coral 😅 love it
Ur the only person I noticed say this as well
@@Waterypeanutbutter I noticed immediately.
I feel in a zombie apocalypse I'd turn out like Shane, being a zombie fanatic and seeing everything going down I would know immediately what type of world earth would be if I ever saw zombie stuff irl. However my family wouldn't agree with me.
Movies, games, and real life are different controller Rambo. Your fantasy land is not real and you would be wiped out in a few days
Fax🤣🤣
@@HistoryandReviews he didn't say that he would survive long, just that his mindset would change fast. dummy
"I watch Walking Dead and play Resident Evil so I'd be fine in a zombie apocalypse"
Doesn't work like that I'm afraid buddy
@@TheJayLordx ya lmao shooting a gun and hand to hand combat doesn’t come easy at all,
Look at Andrea when Shane was teaching her she couldn’t hit the swinging piece of wood. Of course later in the episode she is able to be a dead shot but that’s just advancing the story, it’s not that easy at all. It would take weeks of training.
Then hand to hand is a whole other breed, you have to be able to counter the other persons attacks perfectly then somehow find a way to Jab whatever you have into their lung area or chest. Or be smart enough to use your surroundings.
I wish this person luck In whatever they think is real lol. Gonna be like the guy jerry that tyrease talked about. Him and shasha stayed in his bunker/shelter he made at the start. I would never want to live in that much fear In the real. Because that would be your driver in your mind for everything you do.
Shane was always just being practical. You’ve got Rick laid out in a coma, and Shane’s supposed to babysit him while the world’s ending? What’s he supposed to do, drag him around like it’s 'Weekend at Bernie’s'?
I love this Video its very nicely made. Shane is one of my favourite Characters and Jon Bernthal's acting was amazing. I wished he wouldve stayed longer in TWD. Maybe a Video about Negan would be interesting aswell. Sure you can put alot of information in that one
i feel like leaving rick in the hospital was the best option given the situation, carrying rick out probably would’ve gotten them both killed but barricading rick in gave rick a chance if/when he woke up plus it ensured shane’s survival so it was just the best call in a shitty situation
Shane broke my heart. To pieces. He was right. But he let his jealousy consume him.
Great video , some very compelling takes 👍
I just stumbled upon your channel
I enjoyed the analysis, I’m looking forward to watching some of your other work
Thanks, hope you like them!
Shane's not a villain. He was just ahead of his time.
He's not a villain.....he's like the only character with sense. Jesus Christ, the main character effect is so real, it's scary
6:57 ah yes. My favorite walking dead character ‘Dave’
Great breakdown
Just found your channel through the William Foster (D-Fens) video. Looking forward to watching all your count now. Subbed!
The writers did Shane dirty. He morphed into something he was clearly never meant to be during season 2.
Otis looks like the drummer in a band i was in for a lot of years.
Good video overall m8. Keep it up!
I’m stoked you made this video! What a great character and larger than life portrayal by Jon Bernthal.
To me Shane was more or less a good guy with some heelish tendencies and a fatal attraction sort of locked him into crash course down the dark path.
I have heard some make the analogy that Shane is the embodiment of Ricks shadow or dark side and would tend to agree with that. He sort of reminds me of black suit Spider-Man in season 1 and slowly becomes venom by the end of season 2 - just a thought.
Thanks for stopping by, that’s a great analogy!
I thought in the confrontation with Ed over the fire when Ed says “go on then, pull it out” that Ed was telling Carol to pull the log out of the fire - perhaps I missed that
Shane did absolutely nothing wrong. You gotta save that boy Rick!
Yurrrrr
I think many people don’t like Lori because we see her as who she really is. She wasn’t the perfect wife, she didn’t “mourn” her husband as women are expected to. She was cruel with Shane which honestly wasn’t necessary, she could’ve just talk to him and be more understanding that he acted quickly and knew Lori wouldn’t go with him if she wasn’t convinced Rick was dead. She didn’t have to break Carl and Shane’s relationship since it didn’t affect her relationship with Rick. We don’t see her as Rick and Shane do, they couldn’t see her flaws and turn into each other because they were blinded by love/obsession. But I don’t think Lori is the villain. Shane became the antagonist when he thought about murdering Rick in multiple occasions, when he assaulted Lori, when he killed Otis. He wasn’t a good man, Lori had her flaws but wasn’t inherently bad, I like her character because she’s real and not an idealized version of the perfect wife/woman and is her own person not an extension of Rick or Shane. And I don’t think Shane adapted quickly, I believe he was made for that world.
Shane wasnt a pure villain. He was a man who did the right thing and thought he had found solace after his best friend died only to have the woman he loved and son he came to think of as his own to be taken from him because she pitted Shane and Rick against one another as soon as she saw Rick alive again. It was this that made Shane become sinister because Lori was constantly leading Shane on even after Rick returned. All Shane wanted to do was to be able to talk atleast and she wouldnt allow him to do that she wanted to micromanage his every decision. As was later done to Rick. Shane even opted to leave but was once again dragged back by Lori the true evil one there I contend. Honestly I think Rick and Shane would have been able to work through their differences if not for her misdirection and deceptions and Carl wouldnt have had to lose a friend of the family who was like an uncle/father to him at such a pivotal stage in his life.
I just started watching this show recently and I wish things went differently. I feel if he could get over his hardy for Lori and go back to being good with Rick, he could have been a HUGE help to the group. I think he could have provided some good help in the Prison Arc.
I don’t understand why some people say that Shane was right. I mean, sometimes he did things that were right, but one thing is being adapted and another thing is becoming a monster. Yeah, ghouls aren’t people, Rick was probably dead and you have to take hard decisions in a world like that, but… he aimed at Rick, assaulted Lori in the CDC, he killed Otis, and then he started questioning Rick about everything, he became more agressive, insane and tried to kill his best friend. Does that sound like being right or a monster? Yeah, there are a lot of bad people and dangerous things in the world, but that doesn’t mean that we’ve gotta to be the same way. The real good people can be seen when everything goes to shit. And yeah, Shane did feel guilty when he killed Otis, but if you think about the situation, there where two thing that come to mind when fighting against walkers. Stabbing them with a spear when they were at the the door, or using their shots correctly. Both Shane and Otis shot at zombies that were far away. He was really selfish, and being like that doesn’t make you a good leader. At least he made Hershel realize that walkers are dead people. Idk, that’s my take on Shane, i think he was really an Asshole.
For me Dale and the old Rick really were good people.
This was great
You could see Shane making the difficult decision to leave Rick in the hospital and the soldier walks in the room, he had to duck down and he knows in that moment theirs nothing he can do, he punches down on the floor out of frustration from the impossible choice
I genuinely dont know if hes calling Carl "Coral" as a joke or not XD Im trying to focus on the video but boom "Coral".
"All right dave"-trigger only fools and horses 🤣🤣
Shane was ready before it even started
Shane was the only character who was 100% right from the start!
Except the whole aiming a gun at his best friend part
I'm shocked that Shane made it out of the hospital, with the walkers and the military
Shane was always my favorite character on the show. I still go back and re-watch those first two seasons in order to see my guy.
Jon Bernthal did a phenomenal job.
@@inthemindofavillainYes he did. I often found myself wondering how he would have handled Negan.
Amazing video I loved shane
Loved Shane! Jon did a great job playing that character!
if you look really deep into shane's eyes at 9:18 just after leaving otis you can see the guilt. his face is in pain because of the added weight of the extra bag and the pain but you can clearly see the guilt
The crazy irony part about it is every last one of them becomes like Shane. Shane seen the hordes of dead Shane seen the bombs fall ge knoe civilization would never be the same again his obsession for Lori was his downfall I bet some people on the group wish they had him when the they came across the governor and negan I god knows I did
Ya, as to the hospital he could have been trying to keep THE ZOMBIES out so Rick's body wouldn't be eaten.
the hospital scene gets me confused. shane could have thought he was alive, yet still left him behind a barricaded door. it must’ve been a pretty solid hold too. technically leaving rick behind those doors wasn’t meant to save his life, but ultimately did save his life. alternatively, shane would’ve brought a still healing rick through an apocalyptic mess, probably leading to a scary, painful death. bald shane would never, but this is pre-apocalypse mentality.
Him putting the bed there doesn’t mean he didn’t believe Rick died but that he didn’t want Rick to become one of them or just get eaten
I like how the thumbnail looks so unthreatening and flamboyant yet says "in the mind of a villain"
Shane was tactical and adapted really quick to the way things became, but he was also hellbent on being right and had a hair trigger temper. He was a loose cannon. Even in a world like that ya gotta have some morals. He probably would've threatened Herschel to help Carl and that wouldn't have gone so well
I've always seen Shane killing Otis as him seeing that being unable to make the tough choice is going to get his "family" killed. Otis was unable to make the tough choice was going to get them both killed and Carl too. The confirmation he needed that Rick wouldnt be able to protect them because Rick too wasn't able to make the tough choices. It was never about his own survival hence why he told Otis to leave him.
If you think Shane is a villain, then you completely missed the whole point of his character.
Everyone thinks Shane is a villain. He is considered to be the first antagonist of TWD.
but he is a villain ¿ shane is a complex character but u don't have to be like negan to be the villiain of a certain story.
@@Mar_422 True, in certain ways he did become an antagonist. There were several points throughout the first two seasons where he crossed the line. Pointing the shotgun at Rick, trying to rape Lori, and being reckless. I don't really see him as a villain, though. He was my favorite walking dead character.
Shane was a great survivor that figured out how the new world worked, way sooner than anyone else. If he actually got to leave, I have no doubt he'd still be alive by the end.
An interesting question though, would he have joined the Saviors? I think he probably would have
I think that he knew Rick was alive but thought he needed the machines to keep him alive so he left him and blocked the door so he wouldn't be eaten
Bro called Dale Dave
He did attempt to carry Rick. He's not just unconscious, he's been in a coma for months.
Stunned Dave? I can’t believe you did my man Dale like that.
Shane did what he had to do in basically his whole time on the show. Had he been alive by the time they ran into Negan, I guarantee he would’ve ended him quickly.
The thing about Shane is he’s all talk about this new world they live in and about rational thinking yet he’s the most emotional and irrational person in the entire show acting out of fear and jealousy.
I see it that Shane thought that surely Rick would die. The military was coming in and killing everyone so if they had seen Rick they would’ve surely killed him and they would have killed the brain so he doesn’t turn. I think Shane blocking the door was the best case scenario for Rick honestly
I like how you called him “coral”
I'd love for you to do a video on in the mind of Ferris Bueller. I've always found his charismatic personality to have a sense of duality to it.
My Top 5 The Best Zombie Movie Villains
1st Yoon Gwi Nam (All of us are Dead)
2nd Captain Seo (Peninsula)
3rd Sergeant Hwang (Peninsula)
4th Yong Seok (Train To Busan)
5th Iura (I Am A Hero)
I still miss Shane, Why couldn't Lori have kept her mouth shut & let him leave when he wanted too? He could have came back in a later Season, But NOOOOO! Lori had to manipulate him into staying, as she would later on with Rick, convincing him to kill Shane then throws a tantrum when she finds out her manipulation worked. What a terrible character, were we supposed to feel for her when Maggie gutted her to get the baby out?
Yeah, I only felt bad for Carl, because he didn't know how manipulative his mother was and he loved her.
She didn't want him to leave; she knew that Shane was a better leader than Rick, but she just didn't want to say it. Why else would she tell him to stop leaving? From the first time we see Shane, he takes his son, the protector of the group, and Shane and Carl protect them.
Can you please do a video about Art the Clown 🤡 because it’s almost Halloween?
If Shane left and met the governor he'd definitely take Rick prisoner.
There is a difference of night and day between the first two seasons of The Walking Dead and everything after. It was a must watch TV and the tension between Rick and she was beyond riveting.
True, the best conflicts are when both sides have a leg to stand on
this guy called dale dave💀💀
Ed was referring to the log in the fire when he said “Pull it out.” Also- Shane beating Ed was absolutely justified- people like Ed only LEARN from violence.