Hello Thom, my name is Tom, how are you? . Sir, about the only thing I ever climbed was either Mt. Lassen, or the FBI's Most Wanted list. 😌😐.. The first story I clicked into was the story about the dude from Santa Rosa that was doing bad things to Women. I am from Cloverdale, it hurts that someone like that was from somewhere near you, yes? They found that poor girl, Polly Klass just a 1/4 mile down the street from my childhood home, 🥺- God sakes...
Heya Thom, Binging now and appreciating the knowledge and level headedness in your reports. One thing was omitted though. When you state that 80-something percent of the deaths were at local companies, we need the numbers of how big the percentage is of the overall pie between locals and foreign run organizers. For arguments' sake, if the Nepali companies have an 80% stake of the market, they are not overrepresented in the deaths. But I suspect it's much less. Would just be nice to have that number, too.
@@EverestMystery *Why Don't they Have a ( Trip to Camp #4 ) Trip & then Back down!!!!???* *WouLdn't that be CHEAPER & SAFER, & a Person, wouLd StiLL Get there Everest Experience!!!?*
@@AntiVaganza thanks for watching the video. It's somewhat difficult to compare because the expedition companies operate on different philosophies. Many western operators, such as Alpenglow Expeditions, have a strict vetting process....they won't let just anyone on the permit. There are some companies who will take the money, no matter what....case in point, the company that permitted an Indian woman in her 50's and a pacemaker to join the team....she did not survive. If you google 'deaths on Everest' click on the wikipedia page that lists causes of death and who the person was climbing with....it's pretty interesting. Cheers and thanks so much for the awesome question.
@@sorbabaric1 I have so much respect for Nim's Day ( sorry for the miss spelling) I don't believe he harassed 2 women in any way. What I would love to know is were they both on the mountain at the same time? As this would be a great time to plan something like this out. What a shame for Sherpa Nimsday and his family. I haven't seen such a horrible Injustice done to anyone else in a long time. Fight Hard and Give them Hell ! After all that's what they signed up for!!!
The mystique of the mountain has completely evaporated. It's pretty much a tourist destination at this point. Might as well install an escalator to speed things up.
Ya I agree. They should do away with ropes etc and leave it as a truly physical challenge only for those who want to climb it raw like years ago… so that submitting really means something.. Or they should admit they’ve sold out completely and ya, install escalator type things and pulleys all the way to the top to officially complete the conversation to a tourist site.
The Mountain should be closed to all recreational climbers indefinitely. Clean her up and restore her natural splendor… What is the matter with us? What ever happened to common sense? Excellent report - Great Job! Thanks
Thom, there is nothing "shocking" about SA occurring on Everest. It's primarily a man's sport still. I'm willing to bet, when women first began to climb Everest there were unreported instances still unreported. Women who were "pioneers" in traditional men's sports and professions were acutely aware that any complaints, however valid, would reflect badly only on the women reporting the incidents, would not be believed, and would only make opportunities more difficult for women coming after them. As women are becoming more numerous in such jobs and sports, reporting incidences is less risky for women. I joined a construction union in 1979 as an apprentice when I was nineteen years old, and retired almost 37 years later. I put up with a great deal, up to but *not* including rape. As the first woman to complete an apprenticeship in the building unions in a large area of my state, the *last* thing I needed was a reputation as a whiner, or as someone who would try causing trouble for co-workers by making "false" claims. The climate gradually improved, but is still not what I would call "good." Women these days feeling safe enough to report actual incidents is a *good* sign. That said...there should be a preponderance of evidence that Nims is guilty before "canceling" or punishment.
Thank you so much for your insight. You're right....shocking isn't the word. Disgusting might be a better way to put it. I'm working on more stories that align with the central element of your comment, have been communicating with two prominent high altitude mountaineers (women). There is also another story that I'm working on that underscores this, as well. Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment. I appreciate it.
@@retriever19golden55 I remember the days when a woman couldn’t walk past a construction site without cat calls and sometimes filthy comments. Kudos to you for being brave enough to take on that lot!
@@tsjackson72 I started my very first job on a Wednesday; no one spoke to me except the man they gave me as a partner because he had to, a little at least. He did the tricky brush work while I used an extra thick roller in heavy, sticky epoxy on cinder block walls. I worked my butt off. Friday he smiled at me and said the other guys wanted to know why we were going so fast! I spent part of the weekend in a hot bath, I was so sore. When I showed back up on Monday, suddenly they began talking to me. One grinned at me and said, "Wait till you have to use the Port-a-John, blondie!" And I said, "Wait till you find a tampon in the Port-a-John!" He belly-laughed, and that joke went all around the job. After that, things got friendly for the most part. I had a few problems over the years, but the worst were with men who had some authority because I couldn't get back at them verbally or with pranks. The more authority they thought they had, the worse they were.
There's a famous photo of the first woman to run in a marathon, and men were physically assaulting her to make her stop. She didn't. She kept running and now women runners are common. It's always "the first" ones who endure hardship so other women don't have to...sa is men's way of stopping us from doing things they consider to be "their" thing to do. Sa is also used in war to demoralize a people. And once again, women's bodies are a political football, to be kicked around. I'm in my 60s and this 💩 is exhausting. 😞
Thank you for stating plainly how well researched the NYT article was about Nimsdai... Many people weigh in with an opinion that holds little weight as they don't know any of the parties involved. What it comes down to is understanding how much work and verification it takes to get an article like this into print. Love your work 👌🏻
Have you ever noticed that these supposed goddesses are spiteful, unloving, and blood thirsty? The heretics fashion their idols to align with their own desires.
Nothing but respect! On May 29th I ran the Everest (basecamp) Marathon. Its a 11 day trek to basecamp then 2 days and 2 nights at BC then we run a Marathon down. The 2 nights at BC was freezing. All I could thing about was the 100 plus climbers on top of that cold mountain and the people that we heard about that have died just a few days before.
Very cool that you did the Everest Marathon. That must have been quite an awesome experience. Glad that you found the channel and thank you for your support!
Climbing the mountain now is almost shameful. So much traffic, so much disrespect of the challenge, the tradition, the mountain, the spiritual side of the revered place. Anyone who climbs like this and as part of these crowds should be ashamed, not proud, unfortunately it’s just gotten way to theme-park-like… a backflip on the summit? I mean come on, it’s just embarrassing 😢
Just started “In to thin air” and ordered a copy of “The Climb”. Everest is almost an obsessive subject to me! Would never in a million years would I do it, but jeeeze!!!!!!
You might very well enjoy my recent videos about these books and the authors. We have a video then followed by a longer discussion in a Live Stream. Here's the video link: th-cam.com/video/NBkgpAGzG4A/w-d-xo.html
Watching the videos of the HUGE lines of people waiting.... and the garbage dumps that they now call "base camps"... why the hell would anyone want to climb Mt. Everest now? Whats the point? To wait in line and pretend you are enjoying yourself? To camp in a garbage dump?
Unless you’ve climbed, it’s difficult to explain. But for a good chunk of the people up there it’s all about prestige. They don’t care how shitty a time it is (and frankly, expect it to be) but for the rest of their lives they will brag about summiting Everest. These are the same people who have their summit pictures blown up and hung in their glass offices at work.
@@LETMino85 Paying a bunch of Sherpas to cart you to the top can hardly be classified as a secular pilgrimage. Climb it alone, no massive team support.. MAYBE a pilgrimage. Now..... its all for attention whores to make youtube and facebook posts. Shut it down... or make is so expensive that the number of climbers is cut by 80%.... while the Nepali government would still earn the same tourist dollars, which is really the ONLY good thing about climbing Everest right now.... the money that goes into the economy of the country.
Pretty clear by now that the community of climbers who go to Everest is (mostly) utterly obnoxious. Why anyone admires this useless narcissistic pursuit is a mystery.
Nims is well known in the climbing community for his advances with female clients. I know some very credible secondhand stories myself. This has been going on for a while now. Pleased the women have come forward.
This season on the mountain has been wild from Ryan getting to the summit at 19, Kami making his 30th summit(Superbeast!) And the Brit who fell from the cornice..it has been a wild season. I will not make any comment about the allegations against Nimsdai as there is not enough info available for me to be able to do so. I do hope, for Nims's sake, that whatever comes out about whatever happened is accurate. There are already a lot of rumors and rumors aren't the complete tale. To whomever read this, Peace be with you. Namaste.
I had a terrible experience myself with 14 Peaks / 7 Summits on Ama Dablam (a particularly difficult and ‘technical’ mountain) where I was matched with a 20-year old ‘Sherpa guide’ who barely spoke any English and as the climb progressed it became obvious that he had never been on that mountain. As the climb progressed, he would be in front of me and say things like: ‘So hard!’ Imagine the confidence that gave me as a still-new climber 🙄 At the same time, I’m grateful I learned this lesson on a 6000m mountain, not an 8000m one. I paid 6500 USD to the operator for this climb, way less than the 15K USD (minimum) that the Western operators charge for Ama Dablam. This said, unless you’re truly an experienced climber/mountaineer, IMO you’re better off saving your money and going with a Western operator that uses actual certified IFMGA guides. Your life is at stake when you go into the high mountains. Good luck to all!
I love your channel and hearing about these amazing events. The more I learn about what's happening at Everest these days, it feels more like an attraction for rich and shallow people, rather than a genuine mountain climbing achievement. I mean, don't get me wrong, being able to say you've climbed Everest is still a remarkable thing to say you've done... but the reality seems more like having most of the graft done for you by Sherpa's and those putting out the ropes. I think I would feel ashamed to be one of the many people standing in a long line to get to the top, just to tick off a bucket list adventure. It's just another example of people abusing the environment to further their own greed. To me examples of real adventures are Hansjörg Auer and Alex Blümel's attempt on Annapurna where climbers go into the mountains relying on nothing but the equipment they can carry and their climbing skill.
Call me paranoid, but I do believe that Everest has been warning (so to speak) that it is time for her to be left alone. Global warming will only increase the shift of temperature, it will also affect the mountain itself. Everest is the resting place for the climbers who didn't make it back - and is now more fragile than ever. My prayers to all of those who rest in Everest's arms.
You're right. Each year we are seeing rising temperatures. This will cause major instability on lower mountain runs. I don't people really understand what's happening and the speed of it. Major changes are beginning.
Chomolungma THE mountain has become Hubris Hill (P.S. hope the post I grabbed the name from had it right if not, pls pardon+correct my laziness not verifying that)
I am not a climber, I do not like mountains at all, but I am very inspired by Mount Everest and K2 stories. Thanks for your content, watching from Germany👏🏻
Checkpoint on leaving BC: everything you pack needs to come back with you. Or you AND YOUR TEAM are fined and put to the back of the queue for permits next year.
all of the reasons why one would climb Everest no longer apply. it’s now the perfect metaphor for what humans are doing to our fragile sacred planet. it makes me ill seeing what it has become
Its the younger generations doing stuff in weird situations for social media.... watching live entertainment through their phones like at concerts, posing with dead grandma at the funeral home, doing flips on Everest, solving rubics cubes under water...... im a young GenX and i never wanted to do anything like this. Its people who grew up with the internet.
They need to do a lottery drawing for a cap on how many climbers get to get access to the mountain especially if overcrowding is the reason people are dying smh won't catch me signing up anytime in this lifetime
I’m no climber but to see all those people in a very dangerous situation is so stupid, plus nowhere to pass l am left shaking my head and yes everyone has to make money and they only have a short window to climb , with all the rubbish left behind at such amazing place is really sad😮
I saw an article a while back about unscrupulous guides/guiding firms telling clients that they needed a helicopter evacuation when the clients had nothing resembling an urgent need -- the insurance company paid the chopper operators and money went to the guides from that payout.
Given how much Nepal depends on the income from all of these guiding groups I'n not sanguine that they'll make any meaningful changes. Thanks fro your thorough overview! I do find the allegations against Nims very disturbing . The NYT article suggests that Nims is not the only one--looks like the mountaineering world is moving into its #metoo moment.
So only rich people can go? They need to stop giving permits to people who have never climbed a big mountain. People who have no interest in climbing smaller mountains because the kudos isn't enough. They just want to brag.
@@em84cchina actually won’t give permits to people who “can’t claim.” Unlike Nepal. It’s a vicious cycle though. Nepal desperately counts on the money brought in from Mt Everest climbs, so while the government realize some things must be done, thus far they’ve proven they’re only willing to go “so far.”
@@miketausig4205 i heard China has made it even stricter and only giving permits to Chinese residents? Nepal just wants to make as much as they can off the mountain, even if it gets trashed in the process.
@@em84c for 2024 you are correct. China has enough going for them they really don’t need to open their side to westerners…not for the money. They have plenty of residents who would clinb. Or I could see them opening it to Russians & North Koreans (who wouldn’t be allowed to) as well. They’re very strict about it. In fact, they were the first country to actually “clean the mountain” if you will. For the most part they clear the bodies away too. Nepal makes a lot of money by having it open. Not just the $4-5M they make in permits but all the hotel business, food, vendors, and all the $$ spent JUST in Kathmandu by climbers. It’s sad, because if they were such a poor country they could really do something good. They could work to keep Everest clean and respectable, and still make good money. There is no shortage of wealthy people in the world who would pay loads more than they do, just to hang a picture of themselves on the summit in an office somewhere. Their Ministry of Tourism is a joke and sadly needs help. I’ve offered to move there and do the job for nothing more than room & board, and a small stipend, for 12-18 months.
I want to be the first leperous albino dental assistant to play 3 rounds of Monopoly while eating Fritos on the summit. This has been my goal since about 3:28 yesterday afternoon.
Wow. I always wondered which the first leperous albino dental assistant would be the first to play 3 rounds of Monopoly on the summit while eating Fritos.
Wonderful & timely video Thom. Some thoughts: - first and foremost, I absolutely agree with Alan that we are watching the complete and total systematic decline & ultimate destruction of the Mt Everest experience, and the mountain itself. If only Nepal followed the rules they put out there, the state of affairs on the mountain might not be what they are. Just like any other practice or business, what did “they” think would happen when a virtually unregulated industry was broken wide open to the capitalist bendings of the world? I mean heck…up until this year there were freakin full on coffee shops at BC…ie non-Nepali companies who set up booths and sold lattes and scones for Christ sake. I could go on ad-nauseum over this, as it has infuriated me so badly for years, but suffice it to say, we have reached critical mass and something needs to be done by way of regulation if the mountain is to survive. Everest (BC especially) has outgrown itself. It wouldn’t necessarily be an issue if these items were spread throughout the summer months, but everybody there is at the whim of the mountain and every person in BC gets the same weather reports and sees the same (few) windows the guy one tent over sees. It’s too compacted, and that is something we have no control over (ie weather). -similarly, when it comes to rules, I have been screaming for years about Nepal’s “rules,” and writing annual letters to the Tourism Ministry there with suggestions and considerations to assist in accountability & follow-up on the rules. People were so happy that the rule about WAG bags (or other waste bags) was passed by the Nepalese gvt, but my response was simple…unless they are going to enforce the rules, they do no good. The Nepalese have been passing new rules prior to and after each climbing season going on two decades, and virtually none of them are followed or watched over. “No more poop on the mountain? great. So WHO will be held accountable if it continues happening and HOW will it be enforced?” The Nepalese don’t have the man-power to create a Magistrate Of Poop position for the company and give him the needed people to follow-up onsite. Ultimately, I think it will come down to the expedition companies as being the accountable. Rich clients don’t care about rules, whether it’s a helicopter at Camp 2 or poop at Camp 4. They’ll just offer more money and be done with it. You can’t fine or charge the Sherpa, as they’re merely poor employees. So the best way to do it is to charge the expedition companies BIG MONEY (ie in to the 100’s of thousands of dollars) if they do not police themselves. Again, rich clients won’t care, but expedition company owners sure will when it starts cutting in to their profits. Sadly, the government won’t play this kind of hardball. In any event, I will continue writing letters to the Nepalese Gvt EVERY YEAR begging them to be accountable for their laws, and providing them with ideas that I find are possible for them to utilize without costing much, if any money. The Chinese have already proven that it can be done, as the north side doesn’t look anything like the south, and Adrian at Alpenglow has already shown that responsible expeditions can be had. Though, to be fair, he does charge $100k. - to the topic of Nims…I have likely been in the minority, as I do NOT believe he should be penalized before investigations have taken place. This is largely (and possibly naively) believing in due diligence and western justice, where a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Do I PERSONALLY think he’s guilty? Well, it doesn’t matter (but, yes) as an investigation should be what yields guilt or not. I’m not saying that the women who came forward should not be believed. On the contrary, they have provided an adequate & reasonable amount of information that an investigation should be launched. Several witnesses have come forward in Nims’ favor, disputing what the women have said (at least in part), but that should only be a part of the investigation. Once completed, then and only then should he face repercussions from the Nepalese Government. The public, however, has the right to a) stop booking with him, and b) stop buying his Nims brand. That’s a personal choice that people have a right to make. Now…I was watching his live stream when he announced that the fixed lines had been cut. I remember tweeting how abhorrent it would be for anybody to do such a thing. Then other expeditions started coming forward saying it wasn’t true. I didn’t know what to believe as the story kind of disappeared after a couple of days. BUT…for Nims to then “cut and run” (no pun intended) from Kathmandu AND delete his posts, with no explanation, I can say with certainty that I don’t like the look of it, as it lends itself to the actions of someone potentially guilty of lying. Whether that’s the case or not, I don’t know, but I certainly expect to see more about this, whether from the NYT or other blog. - on that note, I applaud the NYT for covering the topic of sexual abuse in the mountaineering community. I read the article and it went beyond just Mt Everest and including mountains and the industry the world over. What it reminded me of was the glory days of Yosemite, and how much of a testosterone-fest it was. Stonemasters like Lynn Hill, as well as many other notable climbers, including Steph Davis, Kate Rutherford all talked about the “Boys Club” that it was, and how tough women had to be in order to survive there. Well, I have no doubt that sexual harassment & rape have been occurring for decades, and likely continue to do so up to this day. I don’t know how the mountaineering/climbing industry could escape the problem. I, for one, implore ANY WOMAN IT HAPPENS TO to report it immediately. It’s gotta be hard, but the only way to stop it is a movement like #MeToo in our industry. - Lastly, I would be remiss if I didn’t sum what both you and Alan have said, that while the deaths and injuries weren’t as perilous this year, the drama is indeed at critical mass on the mountain. I didn’t know about two of the deaths but all the others I was familiar with. 5 of those 6 were likely preventable which sickens me. The one death due to HACE/HAPE is something terrible but comes with the territory in HA climbing. Overcrowding on the mountain is terrible and contributed to at least 5 of those deaths. It’s TERRIBLE when returning on-descent and you have to untether in order to walk around someone else. I mean, the path is barely wide enough for one set of shoes let alone two. Whether the tie-in lengths are increased so that people can stay tied in and have their tethers pass over the heads of ascending climbers, or another solution is found, something should be done, ‘cause that problem is not going away. The ONE Nepalese law that passed and has been followed is the 1:1 Sherpa/climber ratio, but now we have too many people up there. I was shocked to see Alan’s number of 2.5:1…that’s just crazy, but every added body increases the likelihood of death. Sad, but true. Yeesh. That was a book. I have other thoughts, but damn if this isn’t too long already. As always, a pleasure getting the update and a fine job in discussing the topics Thom. Until next time. Mike
I watched the Everest film yesterday about the 1996 disaster .I blame the mail man for the others losing their lives.An inexperienced climber insisting on reaching the summit at all costs .And then there was the guy with no legs who climbed the mountain ,again relying on other people to help him .if you're not physically in A 1 condition you should not be allowed to climb the mountain.
I'm not a climber. Would it be realistic to have 2 clips when you are passing on a line? I've watched other incidents that describe climbers falling as they unclip. Thanks for feedback.
Just curious-what type of percentage of money do the Sherpas get and do their families get any type of insurance if they pass away? And how is a money really distributed?
Love these Everest vids, they’re fascinating. And you raise some important points as compassionately as always, thank you. Reading some of the comments about the SA issue of male-dominated sports like mountaineering, it’s interesting reading through them. Sadly, some of them are a bit predictable. People saying that men get SA’d too and that women SA people too so… (Yes they do, but it’s at a much lower rate than men SA’ing women, and women are always at a physical disadvantage when it comes to trying to stop it.) People saying that Nims was just too famous and people got jealous of him so they’re trying to take him down (Small possibility, but why think it’s that rather than the way more likely premise that he’s just a s*xual aggressor?) People saying that not all men are s*xually aggressive and it’s not fair to talk about this as if it’s a big problem when the majority of men are decent (Yes, the majority are decent, but there’s way more bad eggs than men like to think. Plus there’s a huge % of men who wouldn’t SA anyone themselves, but who overlook it when bad behaviour by other men is happening near them, possibly for fear of being attacked, humiliated, belittled, ridiculed etc. They don’t step in. So many women have had experiences where other men just don’t step in and help them.) People saying that women report men who are just flirting with them and it’s not fair (When does flirting become s*xually aggressive behaviour? I’m betting the line - for a woman - isn’t where you think it is. And often a woman will appear compliant and to be taking it in good spirit when actually they’re intimidated, nervous and just wanting it to stop - but scared to say anything and get ridiculed, mocked by other men nearby, and possibly have the situation escalate. Many a polite smile or laugh is hiding nerves. But it’s so often not safe to express how you feel. Some women can do it, but not many.) People saying that women report SA out of spite and that there’s loads of false allegations made out of sheer vindictiveness. (Of course this happens. The world is full of shitty people of both sexes, so of course there’s some women out there lying, exaggerating or being vindictive - BUT as a percentage of total accusations that is a tiny figure and it’s so unfair to bring that uo whenever a woman accuses a man of SA. Because the vast majority of times, there was a SA, but there were no witnesses, which is common (most men who SA know to get the person alone before they do it), or proof enough for the police to even listen.) My point is that the above points, while true in a tiny minority of cases, are just excuses for the massive, massive problem of SA against women and girls in the world. Instead of being another person making excuses for men who try to play a dangerous game of ‘just having a laugh, love - haven’t you got a sense of humour?’, try being the man who has zero tolerance for this shit when they see it happening. Open your eyes to the world around you - it’s happening everywhere. I know there are lots of wonderful, kind, compassionate and caring men in the world. But there are way fewer men who would step in and say ‘oi, stop that, leave her alone’ to another man, even if it’s a friend of theirs. There’s a lot of “Oh it’s just John being John, love, I wouldn’t take it too seriously” going on. Just my opinions. I’ve seen a lot of stuff in a lot of different situations in my life, from offices where the boss puts his hand on the new girl’s ass out of sight of other staff and then she gets labelled as ‘difficult’ and shunted to another office when she complains to HR, to pubs where a group of lads are pissed up, cat-calling women, and leering over any women nearby, openly cornering a woman or getting handsy, and their mates are egging them on. It happens a lot and it really, really doesn’t need to be downplayed by a bunch of excuses. When you see the panic and fear in another woman’s eyes, as a woman yourself you know what’s going on. The men around are almost always convinced it’s hilarious or just banter or just flirting. It’s like the belief that benefit fraud is a massive problem and costs us all millions. Actually, from the government’s own figures, benefit fraud is only about 0.03% of total benefits. That wrong belief is still perpetrated by the press and manipulated by the government to go after genuine claimants though… That’s the kind of numbers we’re talking about here. The incidents of attacks by men against women are enormous. The other way around it’s tiny numbers. Doesn’t make it right, doesn’t make it less traumatic for a man who’s being attacked. But the numbers just don’t compare. Sorry. In any male-dominated activity or situation (like scientific fields, extreme sports or male dominated workplaces) there’s a problem with SA against women. Some men use s*xual aggression against women (or smaller, shy men) as a weapon. It’s a dominance thing. Imho
I'm so tired of seeing the back flipping poo dumping disrespect. Everest isn't just something to climb, it's a place of deep religious and mystical meaning, the mountain and the beliefs of it's native peoples deserve respect!
You're pretty awesome this morning one of your videos looked interesting so now it's getting late so I'm pretty impressed. Thank you! The story of Francis Arsentiev made me a bit upset because she was the mother of a son and she may have made it out alive had she used bottled oxygen and even more upsetting her husband did not survive himself. Great channel 😊
The great chomolungma is the greatest mountain in the world she is showing that she wont be disrespected their is a price to pay for what happens on mountain.
Thousands of people have climbed that mountain and thousands more will climb it and leave their sh1t all over it. Have they got wi-fi installed on the peak yet?
You leave your shit where you are why does that make you better? You think no one should go to mountain deserts? Why are water resources allowed to house people in deserts in north america? What a damn waste of resources!@The_Reality_Filter
Its sad what has happened to Everest, particularly in the last 20 years. Almost feel like what's the point in climbing it anymore? But then if you are an experienced climber (not just a well heeled tourist), this has to be the dream destination. How can you not climb it? Question for those in the know: is the Tibetan side "better"? Is it open to climbers now? Fewer climbers on mountain? thanks
0:26 I think your title 2024 Season Recap is just perfect~! It is exactly the reason I chose this video~!! 0:32 "A point of no return?" hmmm.... I doubt that. 1:21 I'd love that scene as a picture on my wall ~ how very gorgeous~! 20:55 Why would 8 deaths, and as you say, fewer this year, lead to collapsing of companies doing the guiding? Or does Arnette mean lack of Sherpas willing to take the risks? 21:11 If Nepal already, doesn't enforce their rules, why would you think they would turn to weeding out the excessive profiteers who skimp on safety? Until the Nepal Gov't gets organizational condemnation, say from the UN or something, they're not likely to change. I imagine there is a certain amount of bribery and corruption involved too, given that it is their main source of income. Fantastic recap~!! Thank you. Good seeing you, godspeed.
Let’s not criticize people who choose to actually climb Everest in good style but not using supplemental oxygen. What makes Everest special is its elevation. Using supplemental oxygen artificially lowers the elevation. Thanks for the great content.
@@borisnegrarosa9113 I really don't, think all are bad, it does take lot from a person to be able to climb a mountain like this even if many as example use it for glout.
I’m not a climber, but on construction sites even on low heights we need double lanyard so we always have one connected to safety line and second for switching lines
This must be so frustrating/enraging/traumatic/daunting/heartbreaking hearing the same issues reccuring or amplifying season to season, esp if you've had firsthand experience on The Mountain, or you're personally close to people/communities who are or aspire to be, or if you're active against any of the many ethical & material hazards generated by activities on Nepal's routes/camps (I don't know enough about the Tibet side to comment on theirs). Even commenters on this page who may never want to climb Her &/or oppose tourist-climbs (eg. me) but nevertheless have been watching Her for many seasons must feel this pain; I don't want to diminish their genuine attachments either. I'm grateful for people with close experience covering + commenting on The Mountain + other high peaks for us, lending their perspectives, even when they disagree. It cannot be easy. Esp the "roundup" episodes that force everyone to confront the magnitude of it all. I guess that's why there's always that kind advice at the end of EverestMystery.
You would think that Everest type people would be more conscientious. It really makes me sad that a place that should be treated with reverence is badly polluted now. It all will be gone before too long anyway. Melting away. Do you think it will be easier or harder to summit once her gown of ice and snow are gone? Any guess how far off that is?
If Everest ever loses all its snow because of high temperatures, the rest of the world is going to smell like bacon and steamed veggies. I don't think silly guilt trips are a good strategy. It's way too hard to take people seriously when they pull those out.
This was all foreseen back in the 80's, perhaps even in the 70's. Many Many years ago it was an incredible feat to climb Everest, K2, and every other mountain, and even a greater feat if you climbed these mountains without oxygen. Now everyone is doing it, and removed everything that was special about climbing mountains.
Honestly, it's still serious mountain. We shouldn't act shocked that there is a death-count of there are so many people climbing. At this environment things happen. And I'm pretty sure everybody is aware of the risks. And I don't want to day that we shouldn't learn from accidents. Only whatever you do there, a residual risk remains.
Im always surpeised to see iflts you when I search for everest and its you 😊 I will binge your videos now ha ha My only recommendation is to not put the subscribe bell while youre talking as wvery time ive had to back up to hesr what you say. Its a bit loud and abrupt. Better yet if you can turn it down or off..but thats just me. Will be following you and arnett for all the good info :) you have a great narration voice :) ty
So as a woman, you're not even safe from sexual harassment, when you climb to the top of Mount Everest? For God's sake, I am so fed up, done and over with this !!!!
So that only the elite of elite can go? Better to test skill and training and only let those go that can pass certain tests and training. People would think twice if it cost them weeks before even going to base camp to prove they can stay alive. Time > money = people more serious about respecting the mountain and keeping themselves and others safer.
Piotr’s double ascent of Everest and Lhotse without O’s is an incredible achievement and will be covered in a future episode. The climbers from Poland continually impress
fun fact Kathmandu was named after the local practice of putting mens toupees on cats after the men passed away. its done to keep the memory of the men alive
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Hello Thom, my name is Tom, how are you? .
Sir, about the only thing I ever climbed was either Mt. Lassen, or the FBI's Most Wanted list. 😌😐..
The first story I clicked into was the story about the dude from Santa Rosa that was doing bad things to Women. I am from Cloverdale, it hurts that someone like that was from somewhere near you, yes? They found that poor girl, Polly Klass just a 1/4 mile down the street from my childhood home, 🥺- God sakes...
@@bold810 thanks Tom for watching ~ very good to have you here. Yes, that story was quite sad.
Heya Thom,
Binging now and appreciating the knowledge and level headedness in your reports. One thing was omitted though. When you state that 80-something percent of the deaths were at local companies, we need the numbers of how big the percentage is of the overall pie between locals and foreign run organizers. For arguments' sake, if the Nepali companies have an 80% stake of the market, they are not overrepresented in the deaths. But I suspect it's much less. Would just be nice to have that number, too.
@@EverestMystery *Why Don't they Have a ( Trip to Camp #4 ) Trip & then Back down!!!!???*
*WouLdn't that be CHEAPER & SAFER, & a Person, wouLd StiLL Get there Everest Experience!!!?*
@@AntiVaganza thanks for watching the video. It's somewhat difficult to compare because the expedition companies operate on different philosophies. Many western operators, such as Alpenglow Expeditions, have a strict vetting process....they won't let just anyone on the permit. There are some companies who will take the money, no matter what....case in point, the company that permitted an Indian woman in her 50's and a pacemaker to join the team....she did not survive. If you google 'deaths on Everest' click on the wikipedia page that lists causes of death and who the person was climbing with....it's pretty interesting. Cheers and thanks so much for the awesome question.
I will respect someone more who pays to go up Everest to pack trash out, than a climber who pays to summit now.
totally agreed!
100%
Why? The only people trekking to Everest will see the trash.
@@sorbabaric1 I have so much respect for Nim's Day ( sorry for the miss spelling) I don't believe he harassed 2 women in any way. What I would love to know is were they both on the mountain at the same time? As this would be a great time to plan something like this out. What a shame for Sherpa Nimsday and his family. I haven't seen such a horrible Injustice done to anyone else in a long time. Fight Hard and Give them Hell ! After all that's what they signed up for!!!
Nobody cares about your respect 🤷🏼♂️
The mystique of the mountain has completely evaporated. It's pretty much a tourist destination at this point. Might as well install an escalator to speed things up.
So sad but true.
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Seems a bit passive agrressive.
Great idea! Sign me up!
Ya I agree. They should do away with ropes etc and leave it as a truly physical challenge only for those who want to climb it raw like years ago… so that submitting really means something..
Or they should admit they’ve sold out completely and ya, install escalator type things and pulleys all the way to the top to officially complete the conversation to a tourist site.
The Mountain should be closed to all recreational climbers indefinitely.
Clean her up and restore her natural splendor…
What is the matter with us? What ever happened to common sense?
Excellent report - Great Job!
Thanks
Or cut the numbers of permits in half and double the cost.
The lines of climbers following each other is obscene.
What good is beauty if it isn't a reflection in one's eye.
True that if that many people are lining up they ought to raise the price
It's all about the money 💰 and nobody gives a damn about common sense anymore 😒
Its beauty is actually meaningless if no one sees it. And if no one sees it, trash on the side of it also means nothing.
Annnnnnnnd once again humans show us why we can’t have nice things
@@kaylee4394 or ice things in this case.
😅😅😅
Did you mean to say:
Once again I proven to myself why I am unable to
have nice things?
Thom, there is nothing "shocking" about SA occurring on Everest. It's primarily a man's sport still. I'm willing to bet, when women first began to climb Everest there were unreported instances still unreported. Women who were "pioneers" in traditional men's sports and professions were acutely aware that any complaints, however valid, would reflect badly only on the women reporting the incidents, would not be believed, and would only make opportunities more difficult for women coming after them. As women are becoming more numerous in such jobs and sports, reporting incidences is less risky for women.
I joined a construction union in 1979 as an apprentice when I was nineteen years old, and retired almost 37 years later. I put up with a great deal, up to but *not* including rape. As the first woman to complete an apprenticeship in the building unions in a large area of my state, the *last* thing I needed was a reputation as a whiner, or as someone who would try causing trouble for co-workers by making "false" claims. The climate gradually improved, but is still not what I would call "good."
Women these days feeling safe enough to report actual incidents is a *good* sign.
That said...there should be a preponderance of evidence that Nims is guilty before "canceling" or punishment.
Thank you so much for your insight. You're right....shocking isn't the word. Disgusting might be a better way to put it. I'm working on more stories that align with the central element of your comment, have been communicating with two prominent high altitude mountaineers (women). There is also another story that I'm working on that underscores this, as well. Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment. I appreciate it.
@@EverestMystery I enjoy your videos very much, I'm no mountaineer, I appreciate your expertise and your kindness.
@@retriever19golden55 I remember the days when a woman couldn’t walk past a construction site without cat calls and sometimes filthy comments. Kudos to you for being brave enough to take on that lot!
@@tsjackson72 I started my very first job on a Wednesday; no one spoke to me except the man they gave me as a partner because he had to, a little at least. He did the tricky brush work while I used an extra thick roller in heavy, sticky epoxy on cinder block walls. I worked my butt off. Friday he smiled at me and said the other guys wanted to know why we were going so fast! I spent part of the weekend in a hot bath, I was so sore. When I showed back up on Monday, suddenly they began talking to me. One grinned at me and said, "Wait till you have to use the Port-a-John, blondie!" And I said, "Wait till you find a tampon in the Port-a-John!" He belly-laughed, and that joke went all around the job. After that, things got friendly for the most part. I had a few problems over the years, but the worst were with men who had some authority because I couldn't get back at them verbally or with pranks. The more authority they thought they had, the worse they were.
There's a famous photo of the first woman to run in a marathon, and men were physically assaulting her to make her stop. She didn't. She kept running and now women runners are common. It's always "the first" ones who endure hardship so other women don't have to...sa is men's way of stopping us from doing things they consider to be "their" thing to do. Sa is also used in war to demoralize a people. And once again, women's bodies are a political football, to be kicked around. I'm in my 60s and this 💩 is exhausting. 😞
Thank you for a great video from some one who is not a climber but enjoys following all the stories from Mt Everest.
The reality is that if you really respect places like Mt Everest, The Galapogos Islands, etc, you do not visit them.
Thank you for stating plainly how well researched the NYT article was about Nimsdai... Many people weigh in with an opinion that holds little weight as they don't know any of the parties involved. What it comes down to is understanding how much work and verification it takes to get an article like this into print. Love your work 👌🏻
The Mountain Goddess has spoken and she's said "You've paid with your money but you may yet pay with your life".
And how sad is that,as many lives as he has saved and gotten home safely.
Mountains are rock and ice and snow ….. theres no goddess
@@spiderknight9893tell that to EVERY Nepalese person.
Have you ever noticed that these supposed goddesses are spiteful, unloving, and blood thirsty?
The heretics fashion their idols to align with their own desires.
@@spiderknight9893 I think he meant figure of speech. We know it's not a goddess. @_GntlStone_
All this just makes the worlds highest landfill worse.
Nothing but respect! On May 29th I ran the Everest (basecamp) Marathon. Its a 11 day trek to basecamp then 2 days and 2 nights at BC then we run a Marathon down. The 2 nights at BC was freezing. All I could thing about was the 100 plus climbers on top of that cold mountain and the people that we heard about that have died just a few days before.
Very cool that you did the Everest Marathon. That must have been quite an awesome experience. Glad that you found the channel and thank you for your support!
I bet that was a fun adventure! I would never want to go further than base camp. Good for you!!
Climbing the mountain now is almost shameful. So much traffic, so much disrespect of the challenge, the tradition, the mountain, the spiritual side of the revered place.
Anyone who climbs like this and as part of these crowds should be ashamed, not proud, unfortunately it’s just gotten way to theme-park-like… a backflip on the summit? I mean come on, it’s just embarrassing 😢
Next ,some joker would try Headstand on the summit
In a Speedo lol!
So walking up a mountain is a life time acheivment ,its stupid
At least they pay for themselves. You cannot say that about Hillary.
Just started “In to thin air” and ordered a copy of “The Climb”. Everest is almost an obsessive subject to me! Would never in a million years would I do it, but jeeeze!!!!!!
You might very well enjoy my recent videos about these books and the authors. We have a video then followed by a longer discussion in a Live Stream. Here's the video link: th-cam.com/video/NBkgpAGzG4A/w-d-xo.html
@EverestMystery hey since when are links linkable again!?! Woo!
@@EverestMystery I think I’ve binged all of your stuff!!! Love it!!!
I suggest reading the Climb first.
@@worldtravelerforeversecond that!
id think about climbing everest but spending 40k to have a bad time or die seems like a waste of money
40,000 ? that’s on the very low end ; more like $75,000 and up for a good expedition company.
40k is on the low side for the guide company. It's double that for all the supplies and other addons
@@hijinks21 do they have coupons? lol
@@bigwaidave4865 i have a coupon lol jk
@@MikeHunt-fo3owI think Costco has special packages you can buy
Watching the videos of the HUGE lines of people waiting.... and the garbage dumps that they now call "base camps"... why the hell would anyone want to climb Mt. Everest now? Whats the point? To wait in line and pretend you are enjoying yourself? To camp in a garbage dump?
The same reason as always. It's the highest point on planet earth. Nothing will change the allure.
@@leeroy110 I get the attraction. The view must be mind blowing, etc... its just very sad its in the state its currently in.
Unless you’ve climbed, it’s difficult to explain. But for a good chunk of the people up there it’s all about prestige. They don’t care how shitty a time it is (and frankly, expect it to be) but for the rest of their lives they will brag about summiting Everest. These are the same people who have their summit pictures blown up and hung in their glass offices at work.
To be on the highest mountain on earth at least once in your life. Think of it as a secular pilgrimage. Pilgrimages are usually not fun.
@@LETMino85 Paying a bunch of Sherpas to cart you to the top can hardly be classified as a secular pilgrimage. Climb it alone, no massive team support.. MAYBE a pilgrimage. Now..... its all for attention whores to make youtube and facebook posts. Shut it down... or make is so expensive that the number of climbers is cut by 80%.... while the Nepali government would still earn the same tourist dollars, which is really the ONLY good thing about climbing Everest right now.... the money that goes into the economy of the country.
Pretty clear by now that the community of climbers who go to Everest is (mostly) utterly obnoxious. Why anyone admires this useless narcissistic pursuit is a mystery.
Your reporting is top notch! Fascinating and alarming events on Everest, thanks for keeping us informed.
Congratulations Kami Rita! 30 Everest summits!
So?
That's just incredible!
@GrogHambone if you did anything with your life we'd congratulate you too..
@@markwaters7760 WOW!! Impressive!!
@GrogHambone you're a krang snout and you know it.
Nims is well known in the climbing community for his advances with female clients. I know some very credible secondhand stories myself. This has been going on for a while now. Pleased the women have come forward.
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I’m not a climber, your videos are very informative, thank you
This season on the mountain has been wild from Ryan getting to the summit at 19, Kami making his 30th summit(Superbeast!) And the Brit who fell from the cornice..it has been a wild season. I will not make any comment about the allegations against Nimsdai as there is not enough info available for me to be able to do so. I do hope, for Nims's sake, that whatever comes out about whatever happened is accurate. There are already a lot of rumors and rumors aren't the complete tale.
To whomever read this, Peace be with you. Namaste.
Please Nims, come on the show...
Shocking what is going on up there.
Loved the positive sign off.
I had a terrible experience myself with 14 Peaks / 7 Summits on Ama Dablam (a particularly difficult and ‘technical’ mountain) where I was matched with a 20-year old ‘Sherpa guide’ who barely spoke any English and as the climb progressed it became obvious that he had never been on that mountain. As the climb progressed, he would be in front of me and say things like: ‘So hard!’ Imagine the confidence that gave me as a still-new climber 🙄 At the same time, I’m grateful I learned this lesson on a 6000m mountain, not an 8000m one. I paid 6500 USD to the operator for this climb, way less than the 15K USD (minimum) that the Western operators charge for Ama Dablam. This said, unless you’re truly an experienced climber/mountaineer, IMO you’re better off saving your money and going with a Western operator that uses actual certified IFMGA guides. Your life is at stake when you go into the high mountains. Good luck to all!
I'm more amazed at that inexperienced boy sent on a technical mountain without any senior Sherpa guidance!!
Gratude & respect for this great update. 🙏💙
Wherever we go there we are. I don't understand the disrespect people have for our home.
I love your channel and hearing about these amazing events. The more I learn about what's happening at Everest these days, it feels more like an attraction for rich and shallow people, rather than a genuine mountain climbing achievement. I mean, don't get me wrong, being able to say you've climbed Everest is still a remarkable thing to say you've done... but the reality seems more like having most of the graft done for you by Sherpa's and those putting out the ropes. I think I would feel ashamed to be one of the many people standing in a long line to get to the top, just to tick off a bucket list adventure. It's just another example of people abusing the environment to further their own greed. To me examples of real adventures are Hansjörg Auer and Alex Blümel's attempt on Annapurna where climbers go into the mountains relying on nothing but the equipment they can carry and their climbing skill.
So they haven't installed the escalators yet? But the overhead tram, casino and the no host bar are still on schedule, right?
The ne McDonalds will be at the top next season.
Once he has completed the purchase for 5x's more than its worth Elon will be re-naming the mountain X.
Proceeds from the casino could pay for cleaning up the trash. And people who climb Everest are certainly gamblers if nothing else!
China could build a sky tram to the top and back.😂
First time here, so much news and info in one video, subscribed.
Awesome, thank you!
Call me paranoid, but I do believe that Everest has been warning (so to speak) that it is time for her to be left alone. Global warming will only increase the shift of temperature, it will also affect the mountain itself. Everest is the resting place for the climbers who didn't make it back - and is now more fragile than ever. My prayers to all of those who rest in Everest's arms.
You're right.
Each year we are seeing rising temperatures.
This will cause major instability on lower mountain runs.
I don't people really understand what's happening and the speed of it.
Major changes are beginning.
Chomolungma
THE mountain
has become
Hubris Hill
(P.S. hope the post I grabbed the name from had it right
if not, pls pardon+correct my laziness not verifying that)
@@colleenhelminiak1429 just pay more taxes. That will fix the environment
Earth temperature has gone up like 1° in the last 1000 years so technically yes earth is getting barely warmer, but it has nothing to do with humans.
Earth isnl getting warmer every year if you look at a chart over the last 2000 years, it’s almost a straight line with our temperature.
Lotta Hintsa has mentioned in earlier interviews that it is not easy for female climbers and mountains are not the only obstacles. This is Finnish.
Maybe Lotta should realize that Nepal is not Finland.
@@borisnegrarosa9113So women should just _expect_ SA in certain places?
@@ginmar8134 Reality can be uncomfortable and it's rarely fair .
@@ravenfeader That doesn't excuse anything.
@@philuribe7863 Some places and people don't care .
I am not a climber, I do not like mountains at all, but I am very inspired by Mount Everest and K2 stories. Thanks for your content, watching from Germany👏🏻
Thank you. Another great video❤
Thank you Trish!
I really appreciate your channel, thank you for keeping us posted on the updates from the mountain!! 🗻💙
Thanks so much I’m glad you’re here 🕉️🌄
I just subscribed. Thank you for the amazing content! 👍
It's great having you here, thank you!
Checkpoint on leaving BC: everything you pack needs to come back with you. Or you AND YOUR TEAM are fined and put to the back of the queue for permits next year.
all of the reasons why one would climb Everest no longer apply. it’s now the perfect metaphor for what humans are doing to our fragile sacred planet. it makes me ill seeing what it has become
Who would ever think it was "easy" to climb? I mean, really,
There are so many comments that I've seen that suggest it's a piece of cake....which is pretty easy to say at sea level :)
This is soooo messed up. Humans are destroying this too😢 until the mountain says enough is enough.
Its the younger generations doing stuff in weird situations for social media.... watching live entertainment through their phones like at concerts, posing with dead grandma at the funeral home, doing flips on Everest, solving rubics cubes under water...... im a young GenX and i never wanted to do anything like this. Its people who grew up with the internet.
They need to do a lottery drawing for a cap on how many climbers get to get access to the mountain especially if overcrowding is the reason people are dying smh won't catch me signing up anytime in this lifetime
Fantastic summery of Everest as only Thom could tell it.
Thanks as always for your support of the channel and for taking the time to watch!
I’m no climber but to see all those people in a very dangerous situation is so stupid, plus nowhere to pass l am left shaking my head and yes everyone has to make money and they only have a short window to climb , with all the rubbish left behind at such amazing place is really sad😮
I'd say, they should make their money, some other way!!!?
They make it a rule, Sherpa will guide them up the summit, but not down😅😅😅
I saw an article a while back about unscrupulous guides/guiding firms telling clients that they needed a helicopter evacuation when the clients had nothing resembling an urgent need -- the insurance company paid the chopper operators and money went to the guides from that payout.
Just found your excellent site. Gave me lots of good info to think about. Your closing about doing good deeds was wonderful. Thank you.
Given how much Nepal depends on the income from all of these guiding groups I'n not sanguine that they'll make any meaningful changes. Thanks fro your thorough overview! I do find the allegations against Nims very disturbing . The NYT article suggests that Nims is not the only one--looks like the mountaineering world is moving into its #metoo moment.
The government should charge more for permits and reduce the amount given. Its sadly become a tourist trap so people will be happy to pay rxtra
Oh…they have. It used to be under $1k. As of 2024 in was all the way at $11k per permit. Starting in 2025 it will be $15k PER PERMIT.
So only rich people can go?
They need to stop giving permits to people who have never climbed a big mountain. People who have no interest in climbing smaller mountains because the kudos isn't enough. They just want to brag.
@@em84cchina actually won’t give permits to people who “can’t claim.” Unlike Nepal. It’s a vicious cycle though. Nepal desperately counts on the money brought in from Mt Everest climbs, so while the government realize some things must be done, thus far they’ve proven they’re only willing to go “so far.”
@@miketausig4205 i heard China has made it even stricter and only giving permits to Chinese residents?
Nepal just wants to make as much as they can off the mountain, even if it gets trashed in the process.
@@em84c for 2024 you are correct. China has enough going for them they really don’t need to open their side to westerners…not for the money. They have plenty of residents who would clinb. Or I could see them opening it to Russians & North Koreans (who wouldn’t be allowed to) as well. They’re very strict about it. In fact, they were the first country to actually “clean the mountain” if you will. For the most part they clear the bodies away too.
Nepal makes a lot of money by having it open. Not just the $4-5M they make in permits but all the hotel business, food, vendors, and all the $$ spent JUST in Kathmandu by climbers. It’s sad, because if they were such a poor country they could really do something good. They could work to keep Everest clean and respectable, and still make good money. There is no shortage of wealthy people in the world who would pay loads more than they do, just to hang a picture of themselves on the summit in an office somewhere. Their Ministry of Tourism is a joke and sadly needs help. I’ve offered to move there and do the job for nothing more than room & board, and a small stipend, for 12-18 months.
Respect for Everest and its Sherpas 🙏🦋
Thanks for your work, like it.
I go to the mountains to get away from people and I ensure that I leave only footprints.
I want to be the first leperous albino dental assistant to play 3 rounds of Monopoly while eating Fritos on the summit. This has been my goal since about 3:28 yesterday afternoon.
Wow. I always wondered which the first leperous albino dental assistant would be the first to play 3 rounds of Monopoly on the summit while eating Fritos.
tolles Video weiter so
Its not a tragedy if you go there willingly
Wonderful & timely video Thom. Some thoughts:
- first and foremost, I absolutely agree with Alan that we are watching the complete and total systematic decline & ultimate destruction of the Mt Everest experience, and the mountain itself. If only Nepal followed the rules they put out there, the state of affairs on the mountain might not be what they are. Just like any other practice or business, what did “they” think would happen when a virtually unregulated industry was broken wide open to the capitalist bendings of the world? I mean heck…up until this year there were freakin full on coffee shops at BC…ie non-Nepali companies who set up booths and sold lattes and scones for Christ sake. I could go on ad-nauseum over this, as it has infuriated me so badly for years, but suffice it to say, we have reached critical mass and something needs to be done by way of regulation if the mountain is to survive. Everest (BC especially) has outgrown itself. It wouldn’t necessarily be an issue if these items were spread throughout the summer months, but everybody there is at the whim of the mountain and every person in BC gets the same weather reports and sees the same (few) windows the guy one tent over sees. It’s too compacted, and that is something we have no control over (ie weather).
-similarly, when it comes to rules, I have been screaming for years about Nepal’s “rules,” and writing annual letters to the Tourism Ministry there with suggestions and considerations to assist in accountability & follow-up on the rules. People were so happy that the rule about WAG bags (or other waste bags) was passed by the Nepalese gvt, but my response was simple…unless they are going to enforce the rules, they do no good. The Nepalese have been passing new rules prior to and after each climbing season going on two decades, and virtually none of them are followed or watched over. “No more poop on the mountain? great. So WHO will be held accountable if it continues happening and HOW will it be enforced?” The Nepalese don’t have the man-power to create a Magistrate Of Poop position for the company and give him the needed people to follow-up onsite. Ultimately, I think it will come down to the expedition companies as being the accountable. Rich clients don’t care about rules, whether it’s a helicopter at Camp 2 or poop at Camp 4. They’ll just offer more money and be done with it. You can’t fine or charge the Sherpa, as they’re merely poor employees. So the best way to do it is to charge the expedition companies BIG MONEY (ie in to the 100’s of thousands of dollars) if they do not police themselves. Again, rich clients won’t care, but expedition company owners sure will when it starts cutting in to their profits. Sadly, the government won’t play this kind of hardball. In any event, I will continue writing letters to the Nepalese Gvt EVERY YEAR begging them to be accountable for their laws, and providing them with ideas that I find are possible for them to utilize without costing much, if any money. The Chinese have already proven that it can be done, as the north side doesn’t look anything like the south, and Adrian at Alpenglow has already shown that responsible expeditions can be had. Though, to be fair, he does charge $100k.
- to the topic of Nims…I have likely been in the minority, as I do NOT believe he should be penalized before investigations have taken place. This is largely (and possibly naively) believing in due diligence and western justice, where a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Do I PERSONALLY think he’s guilty? Well, it doesn’t matter (but, yes) as an investigation should be what yields guilt or not. I’m not saying that the women who came forward should not be believed. On the contrary, they have provided an adequate & reasonable amount of information that an investigation should be launched. Several witnesses have come forward in Nims’ favor, disputing what the women have said (at least in part), but that should only be a part of the investigation. Once completed, then and only then should he face repercussions from the Nepalese Government. The public, however, has the right to a) stop booking with him, and b) stop buying his Nims brand. That’s a personal choice that people have a right to make.
Now…I was watching his live stream when he announced that the fixed lines had been cut. I remember tweeting how abhorrent it would be for anybody to do such a thing. Then other expeditions started coming forward saying it wasn’t true. I didn’t know what to believe as the story kind of disappeared after a couple of days. BUT…for Nims to then “cut and run” (no pun intended) from Kathmandu AND delete his posts, with no explanation, I can say with certainty that I don’t like the look of it, as it lends itself to the actions of someone potentially guilty of lying. Whether that’s the case or not, I don’t know, but I certainly expect to see more about this, whether from the NYT or other blog.
- on that note, I applaud the NYT for covering the topic of sexual abuse in the mountaineering community. I read the article and it went beyond just Mt Everest and including mountains and the industry the world over. What it reminded me of was the glory days of Yosemite, and how much of a testosterone-fest it was. Stonemasters like Lynn Hill, as well as many other notable climbers, including Steph Davis, Kate Rutherford all talked about the “Boys Club” that it was, and how tough women had to be in order to survive there. Well, I have no doubt that sexual harassment & rape have been occurring for decades, and likely continue to do so up to this day. I don’t know how the mountaineering/climbing industry could escape the problem. I, for one, implore ANY WOMAN IT HAPPENS TO to report it immediately. It’s gotta be hard, but the only way to stop it is a movement like #MeToo in our industry.
- Lastly, I would be remiss if I didn’t sum what both you and Alan have said, that while the deaths and injuries weren’t as perilous this year, the drama is indeed at critical mass on the mountain. I didn’t know about two of the deaths but all the others I was familiar with. 5 of those 6 were likely preventable which sickens me. The one death due to HACE/HAPE is something terrible but comes with the territory in HA climbing. Overcrowding on the mountain is terrible and contributed to at least 5 of those deaths. It’s TERRIBLE when returning on-descent and you have to untether in order to walk around someone else. I mean, the path is barely wide enough for one set of shoes let alone two. Whether the tie-in lengths are increased so that people can stay tied in and have their tethers pass over the heads of ascending climbers, or another solution is found, something should be done, ‘cause that problem is not going away. The ONE Nepalese law that passed and has been followed is the 1:1 Sherpa/climber ratio, but now we have too many people up there. I was shocked to see Alan’s number of 2.5:1…that’s just crazy, but every added body increases the likelihood of death. Sad, but true.
Yeesh. That was a book. I have other thoughts, but damn if this isn’t too long already. As always, a pleasure getting the update and a fine job in discussing the topics Thom. Until next time. Mike
Thank you for your informative comment.👍
I watched the Everest film yesterday about the 1996 disaster .I blame the mail man for the others losing their lives.An inexperienced climber insisting on reaching the summit at all costs .And then there was the guy with no legs who climbed the mountain ,again relying on other people to help him .if you're not physically in A 1 condition you should not be allowed to climb the mountain.
The season isn’t over, and there is so much happening already
The backflip was amazing
I'm not a climber. Would it be realistic to have 2 clips when you are passing on a line? I've watched other incidents that describe climbers falling as they unclip.
Thanks for feedback.
I have always climbed with two clips on fixed lines and consider it mandatory, especially when passing another human being.
Just curious-what type of percentage of money do the Sherpas get and do their families get any type of insurance if they pass away? And how is a money really distributed?
New sub here. I have always been fascinated with Mt. Everest. You have some really interesting videos.
Love these Everest vids, they’re fascinating. And you raise some important points as compassionately as always, thank you.
Reading some of the comments about the SA issue of male-dominated sports like mountaineering, it’s interesting reading through them. Sadly, some of them are a bit predictable.
People saying that men get SA’d too and that women SA people too so…
(Yes they do, but it’s at a much lower rate than men SA’ing women, and women are always at a physical disadvantage when it comes to trying to stop it.)
People saying that Nims was just too famous and people got jealous of him so they’re trying to take him down
(Small possibility, but why think it’s that rather than the way more likely premise that he’s just a s*xual aggressor?)
People saying that not all men are s*xually aggressive and it’s not fair to talk about this as if it’s a big problem when the majority of men are decent
(Yes, the majority are decent, but there’s way more bad eggs than men like to think. Plus there’s a huge % of men who wouldn’t SA anyone themselves, but who overlook it when bad behaviour by other men is happening near them, possibly for fear of being attacked, humiliated, belittled, ridiculed etc. They don’t step in. So many women have had experiences where other men just don’t step in and help them.)
People saying that women report men who are just flirting with them and it’s not fair
(When does flirting become s*xually aggressive behaviour? I’m betting the line - for a woman - isn’t where you think it is. And often a woman will appear compliant and to be taking it in good spirit when actually they’re intimidated, nervous and just wanting it to stop - but scared to say anything and get ridiculed, mocked by other men nearby, and possibly have the situation escalate. Many a polite smile or laugh is hiding nerves. But it’s so often not safe to express how you feel. Some women can do it, but not many.)
People saying that women report SA out of spite and that there’s loads of false allegations made out of sheer vindictiveness.
(Of course this happens. The world is full of shitty people of both sexes, so of course there’s some women out there lying, exaggerating or being vindictive - BUT as a percentage of total accusations that is a tiny figure and it’s so unfair to bring that uo whenever a woman accuses a man of SA. Because the vast majority of times, there was a SA, but there were no witnesses, which is common (most men who SA know to get the person alone before they do it), or proof enough for the police to even listen.)
My point is that the above points, while true in a tiny minority of cases, are just excuses for the massive, massive problem of SA against women and girls in the world. Instead of being another person making excuses for men who try to play a dangerous game of ‘just having a laugh, love - haven’t you got a sense of humour?’, try being the man who has zero tolerance for this shit when they see it happening. Open your eyes to the world around you - it’s happening everywhere.
I know there are lots of wonderful, kind, compassionate and caring men in the world. But there are way fewer men who would step in and say ‘oi, stop that, leave her alone’ to another man, even if it’s a friend of theirs. There’s a lot of “Oh it’s just John being John, love, I wouldn’t take it too seriously” going on.
Just my opinions. I’ve seen a lot of stuff in a lot of different situations in my life, from offices where the boss puts his hand on the new girl’s ass out of sight of other staff and then she gets labelled as ‘difficult’ and shunted to another office when she complains to HR, to pubs where a group of lads are pissed up, cat-calling women, and leering over any women nearby, openly cornering a woman or getting handsy, and their mates are egging them on. It happens a lot and it really, really doesn’t need to be downplayed by a bunch of excuses. When you see the panic and fear in another woman’s eyes, as a woman yourself you know what’s going on. The men around are almost always convinced it’s hilarious or just banter or just flirting.
It’s like the belief that benefit fraud is a massive problem and costs us all millions. Actually, from the government’s own figures, benefit fraud is only about 0.03% of total benefits. That wrong belief is still perpetrated by the press and manipulated by the government to go after genuine claimants though…
That’s the kind of numbers we’re talking about here. The incidents of attacks by men against women are enormous. The other way around it’s tiny numbers. Doesn’t make it right, doesn’t make it less traumatic for a man who’s being attacked. But the numbers just don’t compare. Sorry.
In any male-dominated activity or situation (like scientific fields, extreme sports or male dominated workplaces) there’s a problem with SA against women. Some men use s*xual aggression against women (or smaller, shy men) as a weapon. It’s a dominance thing.
Imho
Yes.
I'm so tired of seeing the back flipping poo dumping disrespect. Everest isn't just something to climb, it's a place of deep religious and mystical meaning, the mountain and the beliefs of it's native peoples deserve respect!
You're pretty awesome this morning one of your videos looked interesting so now it's getting late so I'm pretty impressed. Thank you! The story of Francis Arsentiev made me a bit upset because she was the mother of a son and she may have made it out alive had she used bottled oxygen and even more upsetting her husband did not survive himself. Great channel 😊
Thanks so much, I truly appreciate it. Yes, the story of the Arsentiev's is a tough one. Thank you for watching!
The great chomolungma is the greatest mountain in the world she is showing that she wont be disrespected their is a price to pay for what happens on mountain.
Thousands of people have climbed that mountain and thousands more will climb it and leave their sh1t all over it. Have they got wi-fi installed on the peak yet?
You leave your shit where you are why does that make you better? You think no one should go to mountain deserts? Why are water resources allowed to house people in deserts in north america? What a damn waste of resources!@The_Reality_Filter
I love your channel. You’re so respectful.
@8:08 Haha I love that you pointed that out!
: ) lol
I forgot to comment and thank you for a well-presented video with important factual information and concern.
Its sad what has happened to Everest, particularly in the last 20 years. Almost feel like what's the point in climbing it anymore? But then if you are an experienced climber (not just a well heeled tourist), this has to be the dream destination. How can you not climb it? Question for those in the know: is the Tibetan side "better"? Is it open to climbers now? Fewer climbers on mountain? thanks
0:26 I think your title 2024 Season Recap is just perfect~! It is exactly the reason I chose this video~!! 0:32 "A point of no return?" hmmm.... I doubt that. 1:21 I'd love that scene as a picture on my wall ~ how very gorgeous~! 20:55 Why would 8 deaths, and as you say, fewer this year, lead to collapsing of companies doing the guiding? Or does Arnette mean lack of Sherpas willing to take the risks? 21:11 If Nepal already, doesn't enforce their rules, why would you think they would turn to weeding out the excessive profiteers who skimp on safety? Until the Nepal Gov't gets organizational condemnation, say from the UN or something, they're not likely to change. I imagine there is a certain amount of bribery and corruption involved too, given that it is their main source of income. Fantastic recap~!! Thank you. Good seeing you, godspeed.
Let’s not criticize people who choose to actually climb Everest in good style but not using supplemental oxygen. What makes Everest special is its elevation. Using supplemental oxygen artificially lowers the elevation. Thanks for the great content.
Mt. Cesspool
Seems to attract the worst kind of people for sure.
@@borisnegrarosa9113 speak for yourself, Bozo!
@@WOOD-BOOGER-lc4fl I was replying to your comment, m0r0n.
@@WOOD-BOOGER-lc4fl I'm being shadow banned, so you're a lucky l ser
@@borisnegrarosa9113 I really don't, think all are bad, it does take lot from a person to be able to climb a mountain like this even if many as example use it for glout.
If humans could possibly go at the deepest parts of the ocean, they'd fuck it up as well like they did the top of the world. What a shame.
I’m not a climber, but on construction sites even on low heights we need double lanyard so we always have one connected to safety line and second for switching lines
It's amazing he got as far as he did with that back flip, because it's so cold and the body is not warmed up for gymnastics.
This must be so frustrating/enraging/traumatic/daunting/heartbreaking hearing the same issues reccuring or amplifying season to season, esp if you've had firsthand experience on The Mountain, or you're personally close to people/communities who are or aspire to be, or if you're active against any of the many ethical & material hazards generated by activities on Nepal's routes/camps (I don't know enough about the Tibet side to comment on theirs). Even commenters on this page who may never want to climb Her &/or oppose tourist-climbs (eg. me) but nevertheless have been watching Her for many seasons must feel this pain; I don't want to diminish their genuine attachments either.
I'm grateful for people with close experience covering + commenting on The Mountain + other high peaks for us, lending their perspectives, even when they disagree. It cannot be easy. Esp the "roundup" episodes that force everyone to confront the magnitude of it all.
I guess that's why there's always that kind advice at the end of EverestMystery.
The Khumbu region is the most beautiful area. Overtourism for Everest "climbers" is a growing problem.
You would think that Everest type people would be more conscientious. It really makes me sad that a place that should be treated with reverence is badly polluted now. It all will be gone before too long anyway. Melting away. Do you think it will be easier or harder to summit once her gown of ice and snow are gone? Any guess how far off that is?
If Everest ever loses all its snow because of high temperatures, the rest of the world is going to smell like bacon and steamed veggies. I don't think silly guilt trips are a good strategy. It's way too hard to take people seriously when they pull those out.
W video. Shout out king gizzard btw!
KGATLW rules 🎸 ~ thank you for watching!
Profit is the main goal of every company. That's why companies exist.
This was all foreseen back in the 80's, perhaps even in the 70's. Many Many years ago it was an incredible feat to climb Everest, K2, and every other mountain, and even a greater feat if you climbed these mountains without oxygen. Now everyone is doing it, and removed everything that was special about climbing mountains.
No one should be able to climb this mountain it's becoming TRASHED 😢
Honestly, it's still serious mountain. We shouldn't act shocked that there is a death-count of there are so many people climbing. At this environment things happen. And I'm pretty sure everybody is aware of the risks. And I don't want to day that we shouldn't learn from accidents. Only whatever you do there, a residual risk remains.
The mountain.. she's not happy 😢
Needs to be done in a safe and sustainable way.
doing a backflip on top of that mountain is very disrespectful and very dangerous for everyone else, what a duesch!
Im always surpeised to see iflts you when I search for everest and its you 😊 I will binge your videos now ha ha
My only recommendation is to not put the subscribe bell while youre talking as wvery time ive had to back up to hesr what you say. Its a bit loud and abrupt. Better yet if you can turn it down or off..but thats just me.
Will be following you and arnett for all the good info :) you have a great narration voice :) ty
Couldn't agree more! 👍🏾
So as a woman, you're not even safe from sexual harassment, when you climb to the top of Mount Everest?
For God's sake, I am so fed up, done and over with this !!!!
Yes, assault against women and girls has to stop! It's so disgusting.
No, we are not. In any Mountain. Either guides or teammates.
I have hunch that it's fabricated just to tarnished Nim's reputation...
Deliberately fabricated to tarnished Nims reputation
@@Vourn-75 doubt it, women don't accuse men of such acts, to tarnish some climbers reputation. There wouldn't be much point in doing that.
Quadruple the price & only allow a quarter of the traffic.
So that only the elite of elite can go? Better to test skill and training and only let those go that can pass certain tests and training. People would think twice if it cost them weeks before even going to base camp to prove they can stay alive. Time > money = people more serious about respecting the mountain and keeping themselves and others safer.
It's astounding how many people feel the compulsion to defy horrific death.
Make Everest An Achievement Not A Tourist Selfie Again.
Thanks for the update. I don't trust on this article about Nims ... They want to ruin his business
Excellent presentation.
No single word about Piotr Krzyżowski but whole panel about guy doing backflip....
What… about the actual act or whether he stuck the back flip… if he didn’t stick it, it’s not a world record!
Piotr’s double ascent of Everest and Lhotse without O’s is an incredible achievement and will be covered in a future episode. The climbers from Poland continually impress
2025: Distillery on Everest. Buy beer brewed on top of the world.
As long as the locals are looked after and help clean up the place and keep it clean
Interesting. Thanks for sharing
fun fact
Kathmandu was named after the local practice of putting mens toupees on cats after the men passed away. its done to keep the memory of the men alive
I am so glad I climbed this mountain back in 89' before all the tourist on a rope crap started. You couldn't pay me to go up there now.