Where to buy (and not to buy) true Altum Angelfish Pterophyllum altum
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2021
- Here, I talk about a few caveats of purchasing wild-caught and captive-bred Altum angels.
I am happy to provide more details of importers and breeders, if you need.
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Thenk you for the fantastic work you have carried out for our benefit.
Excellent information. Thanks a lot 🤓👍
Your so amazing, thank you!
You probably saved me from loosing altums and money... thank you!
Your videos are wonderful!!! I do have a great regard on your knowledge and openness. You explain everything till the end. Thank you really so much!
Thank you:)
This video was so helpful! Thank you for taking the time to make these videos. Your love for the fish/hobby is evident.
Thank you very much! I'm glad it was useful:)
Great video.👍
Great video! Outside of giving Mr Bleher's speculation about hybrids some credit, it was wonderful
Thank you:) Actually, I've heard about the hybrids not from Bleher (whom I don't personally know) but from a couple of importers, who were unwilling to buy Asian-bred Altums, but I guess they also had their own reasons!
I am seeing in the background -- you have a super nice Callichthys (if I am not wrong) catfish in the aquarium. This brings up nice memories. I had two when I was younger!
Thanks:) It was a hoplo catfish, but yes a close relative of callichtys
@@tropicalfishhub -- Hoplo as in Hoplosternum? I am actually not sure. They were sold as a Callichthys, and I believed that was what they were. This was >30 years ago. But super nice fish. They had character. They came and ate from my hands.
thanks for the video, i just pre-ordered a group of 15 wild orinoco altums from an importer here in mexico i already bought discus with him once and he takes good care of the fish, they come from usa through jack walley discus
Good luck with them! J. Wattley discus does have good quality Altums :)
This was very interesting! Thank you. Here in the US I’ve not seen them locally in any store. I had to dig deep to find a source that seemed reliable. I found 2. One captive bred them and was willing to ship (which a lot of individuals don’t want to do)and one wholesaler who dealt with wild caught that sold to the public. Because they’re so hard to get, you’d think breeders would be more interested in this fish. I would guess it’s because the success rate isn’t that great and for that reason harder to mass produce like other fish?
Thank you! You are certainly right that because of breeding challenges few breeders are willing to dedicate time and efforts to mass producing Altums. I've only heard of Jack Wattley Discus importing good quality wild-caught Altums in US, not sure if there are other reliable importers.
@@tropicalfishhub I got mine from Jack Wattley. Shoreline Aquatics breeds them and are super nice to deal with. I bought wild because they were available first, and I’m impatient 😂, In hindsight I’d buy F1s next time no doubt.
@@missmermaid6249 I have Shoreline Aquatics videos of their breeding pair. They should certainly have great f1 Altums!
@@tropicalfishhub yes that’s how I found them! I think they have one breeding pair. Maybe things have changed. But they breed in may and fry are normally available in aug-nov (depending on availability). That’s who I’d buy from if I get a do-over 😂 but I certainly have enough for now 😬
Thank you for the great video😊 I am looking to buy some F1 or F2 Altums in the very near future. I'm in the UK, could you let me know who you would recommend buying them from please?
Thank you:) Wildwoods occasionally imports f1 altums. Currently GM Aquatics at Loughborough has some quality f1 juveniles. They are seasonal, so it makes sense enquiring these sellers in advance when and if they will be bringing them in
@@tropicalfishhub Thanks for the information 😊
Does Ruinemans in Holand and bring them in. They ability to a climate fish is Supreme. They do superb job in USA. Although I did not see them sold by them here.
Ruinemans is very good company and well known in EU, but I don't think UK shops are dealing with them.
Thanks again. Looking for a group in a couple of months. As you said, Forkel does not ship to Sweden, shame!
Thank you. As far as I know Forkel didn't ship outside of the German-speaking countries due to different shipping rates and paperwork involved, but it is still worth asking him if he knows a good retailer in Sweden who sells his Altums.
@@tropicalfishhub I already did, no luck. I hope to go down there beginning of next year to visit him and some aquarium shops and breeders in Germany.
@@corydoraszoneaquatics That should be great! I know people travel from the UK to buy Forkel's fish. Its a bit of a trip, but its worth it as you can select your own fish and see what you are actually buying!
@@tropicalfishhub Yep, thinking of bringing back som more than I need for my 720 liter to sell as well, to pay for the trip. See how it goes.
@@corydoraszoneaquatics Good luck with it!
Great Video...!!! I am located in Australia So I guessing Malaysia Should be my best please to look for Altums. did you know which breeders can I contact in there?
Thank you! I know that Jeffrey Tan and Tony Tan at IP discus farm were breeding Altums in Malaysia, but that was quite a few years ago. I haven't heard of any other breeders in Asia or Oceania :)
What is the name of the book you have,where can i get it?
Hi mate! Thank you for all the info that you gave us to maintain healthy Altums. I would like to know your opinion on bare tanks with captive breed Altums. Did you use it? Is it better or not?
Thanks!
That's a great question! German breeders like to have at least a thin layer of sand in Altum tanks, because altums spend quite a bit of time close to bottom and their long ventral fins are often in contact with substrate. in bare bottom tanks, glass gets covered with bacteria and altums are believed to suffer from fungal infections and fin rot because their fins/tail extensions get in contact with glass. In tanks with substrate, this is not an issue. Long-term I try to keep my Altums in tanks with sand just to be on the safe side.
@@tropicalfishhub Thanks for the info.
I just love this kind of Pterophyllium. I currently have a 200 litres tank (90x40x55) with good height but I know that its not the best in terms of longness. So I thought that it could be interesting to give them a lot of space doing a bare tank with sand.
What do you think about it?
@@erzakaria Your tank should be enough to raise juveniles, and you can upgrade it once they re about 1 year old and outgrow it. They are not particularly active swimmers, but as they mature they will get more territorial so there can be lots of fights in smaller tanks.
@@tropicalfishhub thanks mate! How many of them? 4? 5?
@@erzakaria 5 should be good
Hi I’m watching your channel Manny valuable info And also I have similar taste too fish and fish tank I think you’re living in UK so I have a question I live In UK near to Manchester and Liverpool maybe you have an a contact for a private seller or or shop where I can buy something like you have Altums I have before Altums And now I think about coming back to that beautiful fish if you can help many many thanks all the best👊
Thank you! I have not been following the market for a while, but I know that GM Aquatics from Loughborough sells German-bred Altums. You can find them on Facebook, they ship fish and also do delivery trips around the country. If you are after wild-caughts, Pier Aquatics often has them.
Great video. What's the name of that book, please?
How often should we do water changes and what percentages?
What is the best pH to keep the angels?
What do you fed them?
Thanks!
Thank you! The book is Altum Angels by Horst Linke. I have a few separate videos on the channel about care and feeding, you can find answers to your questions there:)
@@tropicalfishhub Thank you so much!!!
@@tropicalfishhub Thanks very much for the name of the book, I just ordered it. Any other serious book about wild Angel fishes that you recommend? I am very interested in wild species since I was a kid in the 80's. Will try to get some nice wild specimens soon, after do some search and decide how many tanks and the dimentions I need. I might have to move to a bigger house to hav the tanks. :) Thanks again! Will watch more of your videos!!
@@Alex_Correa This is the only specialist book about Angelfish that I know of. Good luck with your angels, I'm sure you will enjoy them:)
Please name the aquarium store who quarantine albums angels property is it fish barn Crawley l certainly agree with you regarding out let stores
Pier aquatics does. Fish barn rarely import altums, only rio Nanay angels. GM Aquatics at Loughborough often has good quality German-bred Altums
Could someone drop a list of trust worthy altum/discus supplier on USA ? Thanks
i import wild columbian Altums, regards gary,, Cheshire Oaks Discus, videos on youtube also
Simon Forkel does not ship to the UK and I'm gutted because his altums are the best I've seen.
I'm building a 90 gallon acrylic aquarium for 4-5 altums.
I wish someone would set up an altum breeding centre in the UK, under the supervision of Simon Forkel.
That's right, but there are a few importers here in the UK who sell his Altums, Marcin at GM Aquatics is one of them. As far as I know he currently has plenty of Forkel's f1 Orinoco.
@@tropicalfishhub thanks for that information.
Hi, where you have buy your altums? Are they rio orinoco or rio inirida altums? Thanks
My Altums are German-bred f1 Orinoco from UK distributors
@@tropicalfishhub ok thanks
Hello.today I put a video with Altum scalar by Orinoco.
what do you think
@@calinflaviubartos6569 I'm sorry, these are not P. altum. These are P. scalare. Altums should have upright mouth not straight looking, but these are still very good quality striped angels.
@@tropicalfishhub But from the store they said they were Altum Orinoco brought from France
@@calinflaviubartos6569 May I ask how much did they cost?
@@tropicalfishhub 8€ for 1
Please provide some sources for captive bred altums.
in which country?
@@tropicalfishhub The United States
@@staceygianoplos6381 I bought my fish in the UK. I have no idea whether there are any breeders in US at the moment, sorry
@@tropicalfishhub :(
Are they a pair ? They seem to get along just fine instead of fighting ? You know of a reliable breeder in the East coast ? Thank you.
They are a pair. East coast of US?
@@tropicalfishhub Yes please.
@@thopham7976 The only Altum breeder in the US I am aware of is Shoreline Aquatics, but not sure where exactly they re located
I wish I lived in Germany, Simon Forkel would have all my money haha
Everything you say is true, with one exception: hybrids between P. altum and P. scalare do not exist. The genetic distance between the two species is too great, and this prevents hybridization. What you describe as hybrids between P. altum and P. scalare are in fact an intraspecific mixture between the domestic forms of P. scalare and the wild ones (most often Rio Nanay scalare).
@Marian Tudor have a look www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/features/hybrid-scalare-altum-angel/
Thanks for info! I've been told about hybridisation by a couple of European importers and one in UK. I have no other sources to verify if these were rumours or truth
@@tropicalfishhubFor some reason, Mr. Bleher (who is famous, yes, but who is not a scientist, strange as that statement may sound) denigrates Simon Forkel whenever he has the opportunity. If you check Simon Forkel's website, you will see that he declares that he does not grow and does not reproduce hybrids. Moreover, genetic studies contradict Mr. Bleher's views. I recommend reading the papers of Prof. Dirk Uwe Bellstedt from Stellenbosch University. If you can't find them, let me know and I'll send them to you. I also recommend the Finarama forum, a place where along with hobbyists they post a number of scientists studying American cichlids. I myself am a zoologist (Ph D).
@@rosenchowdhury66 Please check the answer I gave below to Tropical Fish Hub. Thank you.
@@mariantudor5986 Thanks a lot for sharing this! I will check Bellstedt's studies. They sound very interesting, and I have access to academic literature. Finarama is a great forum, although I haven't been there for a while. I certainly agree that Heiko Bleher is a very controversial figure! I believe at the time when that PFK article on hybrids between Orinoco and rio Negro Altums was released, they were considered to be different species, but now both variants are P.altum.
Please dim your background lights so we can see your beautiful aquarium instead of your not so interesting kitchen.
Overall good advice...
can you name some trusted UK retailers, thanks
For wilds Pier Aquatics and Fishbarn (very occasionally), for tank-bred Altum Discus-Studio currently has top quality stock, G.M Aquatics also sometimes sells some good quality German-bred fish.
@@tropicalfishhub thanks . I used to buy my altums from ornamental aquatics and Sims . After watching yours I am thinking of keeping them again :) . Used to keep them in my 220G tank which is now a aquascape :( .
@@rosenchowdhury66 Altums should look great in an aquascape:) It is good to know that Sims sells quality Altums. I bought some plecs from them when they just opened about 1,5 years ago, but the fish were extremely poor quality and shipped in winter without proper packaging, so I was cautious to buy anything from them ever since.
Tudey im baying 4 Altum Peru Orinoco of the internet ,end ay don't now si is originally Altum.im baying of the Spania.im work end ai em living in the Spain.
I'm afraid that if these are Peru altums they may not be real Altums
@@tropicalfishhub yes ai know that Altum original of Simion Forkel of Germany si is very expensiv 55€ for 1 und.bath si is wonderful.fish
It seems incredible to me that in 2021 a responsible hobbyist still has to buy wild fish for his own greed and selfishness depleting endangered natural habitats when you can buy captive bred fish. This must be stopped.
Sadly, this opinion is what harms the wild fish. Sustainably collected wild fish provide income to indigenous communities who in turn ensure that wild habitats are protected. It has long been proved (since 1970s) that trade in wild Amazon fish has helped to preserve many habitats which otherwise would be destroyed by logging and deforestation. If there is no demand for wild fish, local communities will have to shift to other forms of income, such as cattle breeding and palm oil production which leads to habitat destruction and extinction of wild populations.
@@tropicalfishhub yes, that´s the truth.
"Buy a fish, save a tree" is the slogan of an brasilian university(Manaus ?).