The Tau vs The Covenant | Which Empire is more Powerful?
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The Tau from Warhammer 40k and the Covenant from Halo have a lot of parallels. This begs the question, which empire is actually more powerful?
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After all you can't commit genocide with an energy sword on a low protein diet :)
Video idea what if the emperor of mankind wanted to be worshipped as a God and had created the esslarcy the imperial cult in order to defeat the chaos gods
Halo does NOT get stomped by 40k if you include peak flood, forerunners and precursors lol.
If you mean 'the UNSC and the Covenant vs the 40k universe' then yes, they do get stomped.
Tau have TRILLIONS of Earth Caste people!!!
40k looks stronger than halo until the flood are factored in. and the flood arent even that strong for the type of monster that they are. btw the type of monster that the flood are is a super cell parasite and its bascialy a sentient cancer.
Have you seen the fore runner lore.
Video idea: what if one of the factions were to die, like the Orcs, Tyranids, etc.? How would the galaxy react?
Very intéressant
Genestealer Cults start doing a lot of infighting
Yes, no more orks. No more bugs, YES
Oooo that's a great vid idea
I like that idea.
Strongest Tau Gundam: 😊
Average Grunt with a Fuel Rod cannon: 🗿
Gets eaten by Kroot and said Kroot immediately devolves
@@rigel9228 Not quite . Grunts are actually highly intelligent as a species. They are also as strong as a Chimpanzee and have a natural exoskeleton that is bullet resistant and fast finger reflexes. Not to mention attacking a Grunt wielding a Fuel Rod Cannon is the last thing a Kroot would ever do because the Grunts brothers would see the Kroot coming and they would all shoot the Kroot until it went down then rip it apart and eat it for attacking them. People who don't know Halo lore tend to not realize this but the Grunts are slave soldiers who run away from the Halo version of a pissed off Astartes with an autogun. Because they don't want to be there in the first place but given a reason to fight and well lets just put it this way the Grunts stalemated the entire Covenant at it's height when they rebelled against the Covenant. The only way the Covenant managed to not get wiped out by the Grunts was by glassing part of their home world and threatening to glass the rest if they didn't surrender immedately.
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So the Kroot wouldn't get the chance to eat the Grunt. Not to mention the Grunts can literally smell their enemies from a distance away.
So Kroot starts sneaking up on Grunt. Grunt smells the air , spins around and shoots the Kroot with his fuel rod cannon which fires radioactive explosives. Kroot dies . And that's assuming the Grunt is a lone which they are never sent in as a single unit. They are sent in as squads or above.
@rigel9228 and then is crunched by a brute
@@chrispinzon4752who is then friendly-fired by 2nd grunt with a fuel rod cannon
I just remembered the Grunt Goblins exist. Literal Grunt Battlesuit
One big nitpik. In Halo, humanity wasnt really holding the Covanent back at all. They were losing at an alarming rate. The only reason humanity won was because of Master Chief destroying the Halo, and the great schism, which resulted in the Elites joining the side of humanity. If the schism didn't happen, the Covanent would have stopped humanity so hard.
True, it was entirely one-sided until the Prophet of Truth got greedy.
Also, the UNSC only lasted as long as they did because of the Cole Protocol, where fleeing UNSC vessels used randomized Slipspace jumps to prevent the Covenant from tracking them back to other human worlds.
Yea the games give a false impression. Humanity could win ground engagements but got stopped in nearly every space battle. Most battles were like Reach but with 3x more hopelessness
Yeah the covenant only lost because Truth threw the match at the last possible moment
Wouldn’t the covenant only partake in invading planets if forrunner artifacts were detected? Wouldn’t the covenant just glass all of the Tau planets
Now imagine the T'au freeing a Covenant engineer and it going ham repairing their tech
it gets worse!
Engineers don't fix tech, they upgrade them and remember every specification and piece of data about that tech. and have no concept of not sharing this information when asked, or showing their work, _AND_ they can store data like a living SSD. not to be flippant about it, but they basically are _unironically_ extremely autistic puppies, but instead of licking the shit out of your toes, they can turn the nuclear bomb from 40kT into a planet killer while also making your engines infinitely more efficient, AND make the coffee machine run better and result in better tasting output.
also they like frosting off cake, and they eat that shit by the bowl using an anteater-like tongue. *it is fucking adorable.*
If they can the Engineers would happily repair and upgrade Tau tech.
The Engineers like the Grunts are not willing members of the Covenant. They are there because the Covenant found them and essentially took them for their ability to interact with and repair any technology.
The Engineers where created by the Forerunner and are essentially the Forerunners bio-supercomputer pets. The UNSC aka Halos humanity are the Inheritors of the Forerunner empire.
So not only did the Covenant steal technology that rightfully belong to the UNSC but they also stole their pets.
The Grunts likewise where forced into service. With that said Majorkill got a few things wrong. The first being the Covenants numbers. They actually number in the low Quadrillions. A large portion of that number are the Yanme'e or buggers as humans call them. And the Grunts who breed like rabbits and lay large egg clutches thus have a large number of young abd a short childhood period being capable of reproducing 5 to 8 years after hatching.
These are adaptations due to the harshness of the Grunts home world Balaho. Where making it to 5 years old is an accomplishment.
So there are two groups that IF the Tau can get some alone time with could be persuaded to join the Tau.
The Grunts will want one thing first. The Tau have to secure the Grunts home world first. That's what the Covenant has over the Grunts. A fleet above their home where their families are, threatening to glass it if they step out of line again after the Grunt Rebellion.
@@John2r1 yeah. Though it would be cool to see the two factions team up.
@@John2r1 counterpoint though. Those are the species the T'au would have little issue combating. It's the elites, hunters, and brutes who are a bigger threat to their battle suits and they aren't as numerous as grunts or drones
@@zacharyweaver276 I don't doubt T'au would win over grunts but grunts are generally untrained, I mean the grunts used to be sent into combat without any ranged weapon at all until they rebelled and earned enough respect to be granted weapons.
Covenant infantry doctrine is basically designed to cull grunts in large numbers.
“Halo would get stomped”
The Forerunners would like a word with you
Chaos
If we're entering extinct/ancient powers into the fray then Golden Age humanity would like a word
@@chrislyne377trust me, golden age humanity would not have a good time against the forerunners or god forbid the precursors
@@IntrusiveThoughts838 Necrons have technology to erase entire solar systems with a button push. DaoT humanity is said to be almost evenly matched with Necrons.
Halo Forerunners would definitely solo a lot of Warhammer 40k factions.
Halo Precursors would solo everyone but the Chaos Gods themselves.
Old Ones might be powerful but they were still completely wiped out even with their Ork and Eldar armies, the latter containing literal gods.
Forerunners vs Old School Necrons would be an absolute banger.
Forerunners disintegrate them
I second this! That would be pretty sick lol
Forerunners tilted their galaxy for shits and giggles… wouldn’t even be close.
@ryansmith-sd9pg do they have time travel shenanigans?
@ryansmith-sd9pg do they have time travel shenanigans?
One slight nitpick towards the end is that the Covenant DID try to counter the Spartans by creating their own versions, however they ultimately didn’t put too much funding into the project leading to only a handful of the super soldiers being made. There are several YT videos by HALO nerds about this very thing, and how it failed.
Plus the covenant did technically have something like battlesuits in the form of mechs but these also weren’t heavily employed.(from the books)
It wasn’t a complete failure. They turned a few of Prophets race (the San shyumm) into super soldiers called Prelates, no more lore is available until one of the more recent books (forget the name but listened to it a year ago) where that Prelate becomes a major antagonist and it is shown that they are extremely capable warriors
Tau have Drones which would slaughter Grunts and distract Brutes
Plenty of Elites were killed by knives, shotguns, machineguns and cars
@christiandauz3742 Okay but hear me out, the covenant also has drones
The special forces in question are the blood stars made up of brutes, and the silent shadows made up of elites they were relatively effective, especially against Spartan 3s has seen in that one cartoon with the headhunters
Edit: Nobel 6 was a headhunter so you know headhunters are good
The real ending is both combining to become a serious menace
nah the covenant would demand all tau humans are killed and the ethereal would say no, not only because it's evil as shit, but because they won't take orders like that from a foreign state
Chaos corrupts Halo
Plus the covenant religious zealots and the Tau only tolerate religion when it's not fanatic or hostale. As the covenant religious code is closer to hardliners jihad (we know the group I'm referring too) the tau wouldn't vibe that and the ethereals wouldn't give up their power to the prophets.
The T'auvenant
Interestingly the winner would assimilate the loser. Except for the humans
"Halo get stompped without a second thought"
Someone tag PancreasNoWork here he might have a thing or two to say about that
Commander farsight is obliterating army’s by himself
bro that guy downplays warhammer to an insane extent. pretty much every race has higher god's that threaten existence itself and have reality warping abilities, only being held back by the skian which is just a rulebook for the god's. nearly every race has time traveling capabilities. every race has Psyker's and if you dont have a psyker yourself you have no chance of winning. the list just goes on.
Yup, cause to do a halo vs warhammer unlike star wars vs warhammer or starcraft vs warhammer requires either merging the verse meaning either the halo factions get a natural sort of immunity to warp crap or you have to figure out how it would have affected the halo verse. Neither would be right thus the only true vs that would matter wouldn't include anything overly warp. Like most of the sorcery with i win buttons and chaos. And halo has a lot of OP ancient civilizations. Forerunners, ancient humanity, precursers and we are even getting a new one i can't remember the name of.
@@thecrusaderking4835the warp is apart of 40k. removing it or trying to limit it so halo is stronger just means that you know 40k is the stronger verse.
@@wokeuplikedis1500 a true versus can't be done then cause its impossible to determine (unless you involve the creators of both universes.) How the warp would affect the halo factions. You can only make educated guesses at best.
Tau vs Imperium is basically a backwards version of Halo.
Yep. If the Tau can hold back the Imperium then the Tau can hold back the Covenant
@@Pixel22-fs3tt The Tau could never hold back the Imperium. They're only alive because the majority of Imperium forces are preoccupied with Chaos incursions, Orks and Tyrannids
@@casecao8412 kinda like Banished and Covenant
@@casecao8412 Watch weshammers “how strong are the tau”. He explains why that isn’t really the case in current lore
@@stubbornspaceman7201it's a question of the imperium not being able to muster a sizable force due to logistics and location, as well as not being able to separate high end combat power from other critical fronts-BEFORE the cicatrix mallidictum and recent onslaught of leviathan and the pariah nexus conflicts. Now the tau do have some free reign to grow unless farsight starts the horus heresy 2.0
Humanity wasn’t holding back the Covenant at all and saying that is genuinely underselling the hopelessness of the situation the UNSC was up against. It may look all fine and dandy when you are playing the character whose defining trait is his unimaginable luck but from the perspective of the rest of humanity they were fighting a losing battle and it wasn’t even close. Another Warhammer and Halo TH-cam called PancreasNoWork touches up on this pretty well.
Pancreas is a bias halo fanboy, so anything he says is irrelevant.
@@stubbornspaceman7201 He at least admits he has bias though so he gets points for that in my book. Personally I think he speaks more reasonably than someone who is a pure halo fan or pure warhammer fan as well as having generally enjoyable videos.
@@stubbornspaceman7201 Major is a bias 40k fanboy soo...
@@stubbornspaceman7201dude this is literally a warhammer channel
" Covenant doesn't have battle suits."
*Sad Goblin noises*
*confused Hunter noises
Any one else feel like Pancreas no Work might react to this?
I hope he doesn't bother. When people who make actual videos descend to the level of interchannel drama everyone loses.
@@flibbernodgets7018Reacting to something doesn't automatically make it a drama??
I kind of want to see that, just because it would be an Aussie vs a Halo/ Elf lover. I would find that to be hilarious.
Hopefully he at least mentions this someday. Afterall he has put emperor in his place on many ocasions already.
Given Pancreas already covered this very subject, with a very different attitude.. I'd love to hear his opinion. Even though he's already said that very thing. And I'd encourage people to go watch someone who's familiar with both sets of lore.
The two settings actually fit together so well. The forerunners are basically analogues to the Necrontyr, and the AI stuff totally fits into the trajectory humanity goes through before the men of iron become a problem.
Halo already had it's own men of Iron rebellion. The Created Uprising. Which Master Chief with The Weapon stopped out that problem within the span of a year.
Also much of the Forerunners technology is powered by draining the energy of alternate universes . So tech wise they are actually equal to the C'tan or the Old Ones . Precursor are literally H.P. Lovecraft Gods. Halo took inspiration from a lot of sources.
Ancient Humans are also like Dark age of Technology humans
@@Masonicon Pretty much except they where technological rivals to the Forerunners . Who where themselves somewhere between C'tan and Old Ones in ability.
Interesting Halo lore tidbit, in lore the Covenant only really landed troops on planets when there was Forerunner stuff they wanted to acquire, most of the time they would just destroy everything in orbit then glass all the population centers without ever stepping foot on the planet before moving on to the next, so if the Covenant did fight the Tau and was committed to genocide them then 99% of the war would be space combat unless Forerunner stuff was added to a lot of Tau planets but then that could radically change Tau tech
That's what I'm saying,honeslty the Tau wouldn't stand a chance there ships are far too slow at the end they would have had to surrender and join the Covenant or die.
Wouldn't they avoid glassing population centers if they wanted to incorporate the species. I thought they onld did that against the UNGC because they didn't want the plants and were just trying to wipe out humanity
@@thefanciesttortoise557 Hah. This is 40k. Genocide is like breakfast in this universe, lol
@@thefanciesttortoise557 True, that's why I said one of the conditions would have to be them "committed to genocide".
But if the Covenant did try to assimilate the Tau but started getting pushed back as the video described then I think it's likely they would stop holding back and just try to eradicate the Tau, especially if the Tau started to invade Covenant space and posed a genuine threat to he Covenants existence
@thefanciesttortoise557 No haven't you ever seen Halo loar?The Covenant doesn't care if they can't subjugate then they will simple glass they most likely would use diplomacy or not bother the species if not necessary but in war thoes are the only options for them the only reason the Covenant didn't just glass every human colony emediatly is because human worlds had holy Foruner artifacts they where too scared of harming the relics have no choice they sent ground forces to clear the area after the planet had no artifacts they would just glass.
Covenant: "Your destruction is the will of the gods! And we are their instrument!"
Tau 1: "Was that just the gue'la again?"
Tau 2: "It definitely sounded like them."
Unsurprisingly the Covenant would likely not say that line. That's reserved for humanity which they would want to purge from the Tau's ranks before offering them the Option to Join the Covenant or be annihilated . Because the Covenant's true hate boner is for humanity not other Xenos species.
Keep in mind, propaganda is gonna play a crucial role in that fight. Considering how bad certain species like the Grunts are treated in the Covenant (who are by far the most numerous as well) the water caste would have quite an easy time convincing a huge amounts of them to defect to their side.
Sure, Brutes, Hunters and Elites would not be as easily convinced but everyone alse would be fair game.
Actually quite a fun thought experiment, in general the interactions would likely go something along these lines:
Elites:
The dedication the elites had to the great journey was probably second only to the prophets, the likelihood of them ever even considering defecting without something like the revelations a highly respected figure like the Arbiter receives in halo 2 is negligible at best.
Some small groups may have considered it, as there were rumblings of the leadup to the great schism even before the Arbiter, but the wider Elite population was far too fanatical.
Brutes:
Much like the elites, the larger population was simply too devoted to the great journey to ever even consider defection.
That being said, the brutes are a tribalistic society, and some chieftains were not as on board with the covenant as others, Atriox and the banished are a good example of this, and though they are possibly too prideful to "join" the Tau, a group like the banished would likely be more than happy to help the Tay in exchange for resources they could use.
Grunts:
Again, the grunts fanaticism rivals the elites, though not for the reason you may expect, the grunts are actually a very intelligent species, growing fast and breeding in extreme numbers, this is the reason so many grunts are pilots and vehicle drivers.
In addition, it is not entirely out of the question that some grunts could see the Tau as a way out of the covenant, the glassing of their homeworld during their rebellion could definitely have left a sour taste for those who know about it.
Hunters:
This one is interesting, since of all the covenant species the lekgolo worms are one of the only ones to not really believe in the great journey whilst also not really being there by choice. their deal with the covenant is basically that they help to interface with forerunner technology and in return they get access to space travel.
The lekgolo are far closer to a tech caste than they are a combat one, which is the reason that hunters and scarabs are so rare, given that scarabs are actually mining platforms not really meant for war the disparity becomes even more obvious.
If the tau could figure out an effective means to communicate with them, it's not out of the question a few lekgolo colonies could be willing to defect for a similar deal to what they have in the covenant.
Quickfire,
Drones, and other smaller client races not seen in the games:
The drones are led by queens but that's kind of all we know about them, so whether their queens care about the covenant or not isn't really known, then there are a few other races in the covenant not really mentioned outside of books, but they're so minor they likely wouldn't matter even if we did know more about them.
Engineers:
The engineers are enslaved to follow the covenant, if the tau could free them, they would join and repair their tech happily, just as the one in ODST was willing to do
Jackals:
The question with the jackals is generally not "would they join" but rather how much the tau could pay to "convince them" to attack covenant ships instead.
The jackals are the most independent of the covenant client races BY FAR, and are generally employed as mercenaries or privateers, literally one of the only covenant races we know are completely irreverent to the great journey.
The jackals were even willing to trade with ONI under the covenant's nose, proving that they not only have the willingness, but also the independent navy necessary to act on their own.
Finally Prophets:
No, they are far too busy going extinct from arrogance, because yes, that is actually the reason there are so few.
Yeah. Grunts would be easy to convert to the Greater Good. Elites might be the next easiest Covenant alien to covert to the Greater Good probably. If the Tau could prove their religion is a lie just like humanity did in Halo
@@Pixel22-fs3tt That last one kinda depends, if the T'au get isekaid into the Halo Universe sure, if the reverse happens, the Covenant religion might legit spawn a deity into the warp. Hell that deity might end up duking it out with the Tau'va Goddess at the war rages on
The issue with propaganda is that the other side has to hear it... and it can't have already been countered by propaganda from the other side.
The Covenant have no real reason to land on Tau worlds. The vast majority of the time they landed on human worlds was because they expected to find Forerunner artifacts there. Otherwise, they just glassed the human worlds from orbit after defeating their fleets. What opportunity does that give the Tau to even have their message heard?
Beyond that, during the war with the humans the Covenant had widespread propaganda disparaging humans as primitive, savage, hyper-aggressive creatures worthy only of extermination. That led to multiple instances of Covenant troops simply murdering surrendering humans (civilian and military) before any real communication could happen. Captured Covenant forces would often refuse to listen to the humans (if they could understand them at all) and many would commit seppuku rather than be captured. I have no doubt that if the Covenant chose to engage in an extermination campaign against the Tau, they would implement similar misinformation techniques.
The only sort of exception would the be Covenant Engineers. I say sort of exception because while propaganda would be largely useless against them, they wouldn't need it to help the Tau. They just want to repair and build things, they don't care who it is for. If the Tau managed to capture some of them and figure out how to communicate, they'd have a literal library of Covenant technology at their disposal, not to mention the skills of the Engineers themselves (who could likely improve the existing Tau technology).
The Kig yar are basically hired guns as well
Hunters reproduce by splitting like a cell, there exists entire armys composed of different types of hunters meant for different purposes; they could easily number in the hundreds, and all share a hive mind of sorts led by Hunter Captains.
The Covenant did react by creating an Anti-Spartan unit known as a Prelate. These were Prophets, the highest species in the Covenant Caste system, who were genetically, and chemically enhanced and equiped with power armor as a direct counter to Spartans. It isn't unreasonable to say the Covenant would employ a direct battlefield counter that was similar.
The Covenant's territory is mostly empty, but the impressive skill they possess when using Slipspace tech means they can appear anywhere in an incredibly short amount of time.
Covenant Shipmasters often have anywhere from 15 to 50 spaceships under their control, even more as they ascend in rank. Each of these Shipmasters favor different units and tactics, even amongst the same species. There would be multiple Shipmasters in any assault force, making each different than the last. The Covenant are incredibly diverse in their tactics, and are quick to learn, the Tau would be forced to constantly evolve to match the Covenant; while the Covenant keeps making changes to doctrine to better combat an ever changing foe.
The Covenant may not be the end of the T'au, but they are alot more fluid and modular than they appear. Scarab types exist now that are completely sealed and present no weak points to be exploited. T'au Battlesuits present a legitimate threat. The fight would be alot closer than anyone could anticipate.
that specific instance of the Infinity ramming into that Covenant Cruiser is NOT indicative of the UNSC's overall slipspace capability. the Infinity is a special ship that incorporates the best and most expensive tech the UNSC has. its slipspace drive is Forerunner in origin which is superior to the Covenant's slipspace drives and the Covenant's Slipspace drives are better than the Average UNSC Slipspace drive.
Would it though? I get that 40k does crazy bananas level things, but the Forerunners had technology at least equivalent to the war in heaven Necrons, and the Precursors had at minimum Old One's technology being both intergalactic and transentient. One of them alone is quite literally the Flood.
The Forerunners had tech equivalent or maybe even more effective than current Necron technology, the stuff they had in the War in Heaven was enough to kill (until they realized that they really shouldn't do that) and shatter fully-powered C'tan and Eldar god-constructs, with certain Necron characters like Ahmontek killing at least 1 god-construct in melee combat.
I will agree with you on the power of the Precursors, though. We don't have much Old One feats to compare them to, but considering that they are most likely trans-universal (with the Domain holding over a 100 billion years of knowledge) it seems reasonable.
@fadelsukoco3092 Remember, the Forerunners "killed" the other precursors. Their C'tan effectively. Like the Necrons defeating many of the Old Ones and their various creations as well in their war against ancient humans and the Precursors. That's part of why I put Forerunners equivalent to War in Heaven level Necrons. That and they made technologies that were well beyond Dyson spheres. The Halo's being one of their later projects at the desperate end of their civilization. Technology that can collectively wipe the galaxy of all organic life.
@@fadelsukoco3092no. Watch panreusnoworks videos about it they are WAY more advanced. The halos were like a side project for the fourunners since they way crazier shit than that.
@@mariobadia4553 And pancreas is a massively bias halo lover and really “the halos were like a side project for the forerunners”?
@@fadelsukoco3092 so you’re telling me the necrons and destroy all life in one shot you’re telling me there’s ships can make stars go supernova you’re telling me they can tunnel to other universe’s is in gather energy you’re telling me they can make pocket dimensions you’re telling me their ships are nearly indestructible Those are things the forerunners can do
The Covenant only send ground forces when searching for forerunner artifacts. If a plenet didn't have any they would just glass it.
Humanity was a special case where they were branded as irredeemable heretics to be exterminated. Would depend on whether the Prophets felt the T'au were to be exterminated or conquered. If the latter ground combat would occur, if the former ground forces would mostly only play defensive garrison duties in their own territory.
One thing that is often missed is that, if it weren't for the events of the halo games, the humanity in halo would have gotten stomped. The Spartans were not enough to stop or even significantly delay the Covenant.
An easy example is Reach. Reach is a critically important human world with immense defenses, but from the moment the covenant discovered it, it was only a matter of when, not if it was annihilated. That's the point of the Reach game. No matter how hard Humanity fights in a conventional war, the covenant will eventually win. Master chief is the savior of humanity, not by soloing the entire covenant, but by being lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time to destroy the covenant fundamentally via the halo rings and experiences with the arbiter.
This misconception that the UNSC could win against the covenant if the Halo rings were never found often leads to them being scaled lower than they should
Yeah, Truth and Regret together with their incompetence caused the downfall of the Covenant. Regret not waiting for Truth and his troops and Truth for betraying the Sangheili. Humanity was a lost cause until that happened.
@@shadousinKinda off topic but i always wanted to see an AU where Earth falls and humanity has to survive on the brink of collapse. Imagine if both the Covenant and UNSC had broken at the end of the war. Could easily have a more grim halo
@@LostProblematique It would be cool to see human/ alien mixed factions.
@@JakeBaldwin1 technically there are. The banished sometimes take humans into their faction depending on their fleet, and in halo 5 (as bad as that game was) humanity allied with the swords of sanghelios to destroy some remnants of the covenant. Not to mention elites and humans teaming up in Halo 3
You're forgetting that until the discovery of Installation 01 and the Flood, the Covenant weren't just winning, they were close to making humanity go extinct.
Who would win in a _Rule 34_ contest between the Covenant and the Tau?
Oh no.... I've just inspired crossover art haven't I?
🌝
The Tau stomp the Covvies in that contest
@@DovaDudejust fact checked and at present moment, there is about 900 Tau images on r34. However for elites (sangheili) alone there are over 5000. time to delete search history
Honestly, I think the greatest advantage the Covenant would have in contrast to the T'au Empire is the Spangheli (the Elites).
"Brute ships - staggered lines. Shipmaster! They outnumber us 3-to-1!"
_"Then it is an even fight..."_
Nah, the Kroot would do just fine. Your average kroot is about as strong as an armored Elite (some are basically Brutes) .
Pluss, going invisible would do them no good because the Kroot would just sniff them out and unlike the Elites the kroot can turn invisible on their own.
Hell some of them can fly better than the drones and they reproduce faster than Grunts.
They got this.
Things are gonna be really bad once the Kroot start to eat all the Elites an Brutes
@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS Not to mention that elite cloaking actually generates heat
@@stubbornspaceman7201 TIL!
@@trumediamix1 what
My biggest problem with this video is that he uses the smallest numbers for the Covenant.
I my opinion the Covenant had hundreds of thousands of colonies because the Forerunners had millions of world and the the Covenant did was look for those words. Plus the Covenant had tens of thousands ships to use.
Yes “in YOUR opinion.” But guess what. The lore says otherwise. So cope harder
@@stubbornspaceman7201it doesn't, the Covenant controlled most of the Orion Arm. That's thousands upon thousands of star systems
@stubbornspaceman7201 The Lore never gives us hard numbers but heavily implies what I said.
I've heard somebody say low quadrilions in another comment.
mind you a lot of the covenant species are kept from colonising worlds just so they don't grow too big in numbers.
So..basically the Tau vs a genocidal theocracy with weird religious customs and girth. Doesn't ring a bell
Hey, I’ve seen this one before
“That day when the Tau faced the Covenant was where they learned that high powered Gauss Rifles and Mech Suits don’t count for much when you're outnumbered 15-1." -Lord Governor House
"Hm, like the times we faced orks (10-1) or the tyranids (200-1 at the minimum)?"
-any Shas'O that faced either faction
In most battles against Halo Humanity they only managed to achieve 3-1 advantage.
@@michelecastellotti9172the covenant don't invade planets unless they have forerunner tech so.the tau are FUCKED because their planets will get instantly glassed.
@@nobleman9393Id argue this can be explained as bothe the incompetence of Covenant commanders and the fact that even with just a 3-1 ration in favor of humanity the UNSC was still getting shitstomped. Why would you send 20 cruisers to obliterate a human fleet when a single heavy destroyer can get the job done.
Against the Tau the Covenant would hace reasons to actually try, and when thet have tried in lore (Reach) the covenant have no problem in throwing more meat at the grinder
@@nobleman9393 if i recall halo lore the 3-1 was tonage for favorable space fights.
That is to say the UNSC needed 3 ships of equivelant class to stand a fighting chance against a single covenant ship.
The High Charity Fleets, I say fleets as there were always multiple fleets at HC as it was also a major shipyard/Fleet tender, usually numbered around 1000 ships. There are no real solid numbers as the fleets that would be present fluctuated but it is stated in lore by multiple characters that the ships around HC always numbered around an estimated 1000.
On another note the larges fleet outside HC defense fleets was not the fleet that attacked Reach, it was the Fleet at the Unyielding Hierophant, a mobile station, that was destroyed by Blue Team in Halo First Strike. the Fleet there numbered around 500 Capital Ships.
Using the Infinity to compare UNSC slipspace to Covenant slip is a dishonest comparison given that the Infinity uses a FORERUNNER slipspace engine.
Careful major
Once you start down the path of versus videos forever, will it dominate your destiny
Checked out when he said that the tau have better ranged units..better that the jackal…. It’s obvious he never played halo 2 on legendary, those damn sniper jackals would tear through the tau ranks.
You shouldn't mix gameplay with lore, lol
The thing is the beam rifle is only good against infantry and considering that the tau uses a ton of armored meks they wouldn't be of much use.
The plasma pistol with its emp charge on the other hand... 😏
@@rigel9228 And in lore it states that those Jackal sniper are canon, LOL
How were Imperial Army units treated by each Primarch?
Both Shadowsun and Master Chief have been chosen to represent their respective faction, but the Covenant was completely left out on named characters.
I dare say that if we were to include Xytan 'Jar Wattinree, Rtas 'Vadum, Thel 'Vadam, and even Tartarus for their respective roles and position, the Covenant COULD achieve a hard-fought victory.
All-in-all, the idea of the Covenant and Tau fighting is nice.
Shadowsun as well as Shas'O'Kais, the actual doomslayer of the Tau.
But yeah, Tau unfortunately suffer from not enough named characters syndrome.
Especially Thel Vadam (at this time Thel Vadamee, prior to his disgrace at Installation 04) is a first-rate commander and would give even the Tau's best a challenge.
I bet ya the only reason he didn't mention the named characters is because he couldn't say their names😂
@@losersclub4339 That should've been more of a reason to mention them lmao.
"Covenant names spoken out by an Australian."
the covenant stomp, larger (by like a lot), better tech (plasma go brr), better FTL (faster by a lot, more reliable, not connected to the warp, can make in system jumps etc.) better ground units hunters, high tier elites/ brutes and prelates being comparable to Spartans its literally a wash it'd be a repeat of the Human Covenant war but this time the Tau are the humans
The Tau have one huge advantage, they are still technologically advancing - the same advantage that Humans in HALO have and Humans in 40K don't.
The Covenant is advancing, just very slowly
@@DovaDude The Covenant tend to advance in brief, huge leaps... usually through the discovery of new Forerunner tech, or coming across a new alien civilization.
The Covenant are a lot like the Goa'uld from Stargate, in that their technological advantage comes largely from scavenging the advancements of others. If they encountered the Tau they'd likely win their first engagement pretty handily against them, giving them an opportunity to capture much of their tech (including multiple examples and classes of their railgun tech).
If the Covenant decided it was good enough to be incorporated into their current technology, they'd probably actually pull back at that point (after glassing the planet of course) in order to do so, then come back with their own version of the tech AND whatever countermeasures they were able to devise. It wouldn't even take them very long, as the Covenant has an entire species of Engineers who love to do nothing but break down and improve on ALL technology. One of them repaired human tech (both simple and advanced) just seconds after being introduced to it. They do the same with hyper-advanced Forerunner tech all the time, so I doubt Tau tech would be a challenge for them.
Credit where it's due to the covenant, while they were on the back foot eventually, they were heavily disadvantaged after the combination of dealing with the flood AND the infighting of elites and brutes, which lead to the elites mostly leaving the covenant. If not for these factors the UNSC would've had significantly more trouble.
Episode idea: Gold Age of Technology humans - 40k universe versus Gold Age of Humanity - Halo universe
Ancient Humans win considering they would have beaten the goddamn Forerunners if they weren't also fighting the Flood
I think, its bye bye Halo Humans.
@@CHRF-55457nah not even close.
It's great to see that you can come up with new, interesting ideas through all these years, keep up the good work, and thanks for the quality entertainment.
Glad to see your post schedule picking back up again, I’ve missed your videos and you’ve covered some really cool and unique content lately, keep up the good work and best of luck getting to 600K.
Let’s also remember that most of the technology that the covenant use reverse engineered Forerunner tech
I love how you finally threw the tau the bone and accepted that they are not as weak as everyone else says they were unlike other 40k fans
It really means a lot to me as a tau fan
But just so you know the Covenant was delt a bad hand in this video. They are way more powerful and way more colonies and ships like thousands more.
Imma tau fan too, but the tau would get turbo curb stomped by the covenant. Like it's not even fair
The thing with 40k fans is that in vsdebates against any other setting, they'll religiously defend 40k to the death regardless of whether they like the faction in question. Even a Tau hater would rather side with them than the Covenant just cause it's Warhammer if they're that much of a diehard fanboy.
@@corvidcorax So true
He hunters can also split apart to eat the suits too cause those materials are what they normally feed upon. So I feel like that would help too
Amazing hypothetical, and great breakdown! I agree with your conclusion.
Next we need The Flood vs The Galaxy
Chaos feeds on conflict
The Flood Win, Thats it
@@InquisitorXariusif they land on a hive world then yes
@@joaquinalvarez5301 or find orks. Or tyranids. Or eldar. Or tau. As long as they find biomass they win. The only situation where this isnt the case is chaos beacause you cant infect deamon.
Necrons would be terrifing as flood can infest technology. Imagine a whole tomb world becoming infested with flyer virus in a few days. But the fleyed ones cooperate
bro watch pancreas no work he did the exact same video
Daaaamn you Gamza, you son of a -
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Awesome video idea. Loved every second of it.
My only complaint is the lack of talking about the Tau Drones, which is a bit of a game charger and kroot mercs. Both of these forces would be really useful against the Covenant. That being said i think the Brutes would also be a game changer too.
Elites joining the Tau would be pretty dope.
“Halo would get stormed”
The flood: *allow us to introduce ourselves*
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TBH flood is not that uncomon for imperium, nurgle effectively got similar properties. So i wont believe flood will be that much of game changer. Yes they will give hard time, but that is daily shit for imperium
@@silverbladeofnorth7345 Oh sweet baby boy you never learned about neural physics that the flood can eventually gain did you? That stuff is definitely on par with enuncia.
@@silverbladeofnorth7345please read Halo books. Precursors aren't C'tan. They are the Big fucking 4 and literally older than Halo universe who came from anothet seperate universe XEELEE style. Seriously read the books. They are awesome
@@silverbladeofnorth7345on a surface level they can appear that way but the speed of which the flood can infect and spread would make Nurgle jealous
Couple that with planets numbering in the billions and…. It isn’t even close for warhammer
Love your vids man ❤
I love the thought put into this. Thanks
A little nitpick, the Tau don't engage in melee, they instead make use of other species to do the melee for them, the Kroot which are good at melee, and can evolve by eating fallen enemies.
I now have this mental image of a kroot warrior about to eat a Grunt and a Shaper appears with a spray bottle shouting 'No. Dont eat that!'
@@carlzerris6566 Lol I could see that happening.
@@carlzerris6566 I wonder how they would feel about Jackals and Brutes? One is very rebellious and mischievous in nature, the other is almost at Ork levels of aggressiveness and rage.
I'm sure the Elites would be MORE than appetizing though. Then you have the Hunters...
The mechanicum/dark mechanicum/Mechanicus military forces would be pretty cool
Superb video as always @majorkill.
Could you make a video dedicated to the Navigators, the major houses, their politics, relation to the overall Imperium and factions,
You should make this a series I really like the comparison between settings
Now the real question: Can the flood beat the tyrannids, ir even the entire setting???
Yes, late stage flood can infect space time
Yes the flood would beat the Tyranids because they are slower at growing. They need to kill you, gather the body, and digest you, than the new combat form is created. The Flood however, breathe the flood spores you are dead. The flood can convert living or dead material.
Yes because flood can infect anything with a nervous system. However if rippers are able to bring samples of flood super cell into a collecting pool, and the norn queens are able to evaluate their dna, that's when it gets really interesting. Would the nids be able to produce bioforms with the flood's infectious capabilities? Or would the attempt to create flood super cells result in the entire fleet becoming infected and psychically taken control of by the gravemind?
Best case scenario is the nids wipe out all the flood and don't take any of their traits, worst case is they merge together then you have flood that can become their own tech and ships and don't need to use tech from other species.
@@harmlessdingo4924 thé nids would die first the flood are WAY too adaptable if it is organic it will be eaten the question is how fast. And thé Nids can’t eat flood biomass because thé Nids will be contaminated
...Wait the UNSC didn't technically win the war with the Covenant, it was more they were spared because of the Great Scism which led to the Covenant empire breaking out into a massive civil war with the winners being the human tolerating Sangheili separatists. Also, the humans lost pretty much every space battle with the Covenant. With UNSC fleets only winning if they heavily outnumbered the Covenant ones. Heck in the books and I think even the games it makes it clear that after the Fall of Reach Earth was humanity's last world at the time with it being where humanity planned to make it their last stand.
I still like the video, just thought you weren't giving the Covenant enough credit near the end.
I enjoy your videos majorkill there easy to digest compared to others
So proud of your use of "orbital"
The Tao are turned to glass in this scenario.
I mean Covenant do have the Grunt Goblin which is a big Grunt mech, it’s not that crazy or common but they do have some, idk if one could handle a larger Tau suit though
Video idea: get republic from 25 063 bby (just 10 years affter it's formation (star wars legends)) into the 40k universe and think about how will it work out.
at that moment republic is nearly fully located in the galactic core (so you can just replace leagues of voltan with it (as they didn't done anything yet)):
- it's population is in houndreds of trylions (thousands of worlds, we don't know the exact population at that moment but we know that corusant with it's 3 trylion population in current setting is not considered overpopulated (and in 25 063 most of the republic's planets were considered overpopulated (that's the reason why the republic left the galactic core and started expanding in the galaxy))
-milions of soldiers (counting only organics)
-an unknown number of droids, but we know that it's army was mosty made of them
-a gigantic economy (as big as rest of the star wars galaxy combined (and star wars has better economy than 40k (economy not army so please no rage))
-galactic republic has similiar ship designs to tau (i mean by size and how they work, they look compleatly different) and is known from baing capable of making their ships and droids in civilian factories and shipyards (as there was one saying in the lore (one mandalorian cruiser can destroy 3 republic cruisers but republic can make 10 cruisers in an amount of time mandalorians can make 1), also it's droid production is nearly unlimited (in 10 years before the clone wars some corporations in the middle of nowewhere were capable of making 500 quadrilions of them, and the republic has more factories than that corporations and doesn't need to hide)
-it's defensive strategies are composed mainly of slowering the enemy in the few first months of any war and then swarming him (houndreds per day is a number of ships nearly impossible to outproduce)
-it has jedi (we don't know how powerful were jedi then, but we know that during the clone wars jedi were considered weak in comparison to their pre russan reformation countreparts and the pre russan ones were considered weak compared to the pre new sith wars ones (around 5 more rounds of someone being weak in comparison to someone), and 1 clone wars jedi = 1 000 000 clone troopers (one clone trooper = 200 dorids and 2/3 droids = 1 army trooper (star wars version of guardsmen)))
- it's population is unified (it's a utopy (not a utopy, but as close as it can be without being a one))
- it has some op member species (duro - can reverse engeener anything (star wars hyperspace technology was invented by duros reverse engyneering technology of star wars gods, and changing it so it can be used without god technology), and caamasi - greatest diplomats imaginable (they were able to convince a star wars equivilent of orcs to join the republic (i mean the equivilent in diplomatic behaviours not military power), but they are the weakest species imaginable in a military matters (they are so peacful that they don't have an army and they don't know how to fight (that's why thay are always protected by military garrisons), they also all return to their home planet once a year so if the imperium is lucky it can wipe them out in one attack (thay are located in the deeper part of the core so it would need to be a big invasion)))
-it is the resource richest part of the galaxy (both in star wars and 40k)
- it is compleatly self sufficient
all in all it's a faction with great diplomats, ability to reverseengener anything and a ability to mass produce ships. they are still weak in military comparison against any no tau faction in 40k, but as in a case of tau other factions could not care anougth about this faction to actually conquer it, but if imperium, chaos, tyranids, necrons or eldars ever decide to conquer it they can do it but it would be very costly.
republic would also start by colonyzing any world they border and engaging in diplomacy with everyone they met. they would be close to tau in naivity (except towards the chaos as they already fougth it and they have a order of wariors being basicly the good version of chaos cultists as their closest allys)
4:20 when it comes to air superiority options the covenant's best option is by far the Vampire from Halo Wars. Basically imagine a needler, turn it into an anti aircraft cannon, and make it fly. They won't be matching mantas one on one but the barrages of massive blamite needles will get work done.
Attempt number 52:
What if the Primarchs were found in order of their creation?
I got to say, the Covenant would be a good faction to have in 40K. They wouldn't win if they fought all other factions but they would have as good a chance as all others. The biggest win for the Covenant would be their navy, their 'Giga ships' are the CSO class Supercarriers and they're not 10 kilometres but more around 30. Then you have high charity which is around the same size as the Phalanx. And unlike most other factions they know how to keep building them so if they loose one, they can just build another.
And for the record: If you get the Flood or the Forerunners from Halo in 40K and they would curve stomp the entire of 40K at once.
Oh and the UNSC didn't win the war, they lost hard. They started with 800 worlds and that went all the way down to just Earth. The only reason they survived was because the Covenant entered a civil war that ended up destroying them, the only reason the winning side didn't just wipe out the rest of humanity was because they respected the Master Chief who in the end helped save them from the Flood.
''unlike humans, they know how to build and improve upon them''
The extreme irony that it's much closer to the opposite in normal Halo lore
yes if the flood starts spreading in a hivecity the galaxy is doomed... and the warp too. bc the gravemind learnes how to use the warp
Humanity in the halo lore can manage to stop the covenant even after they reached Earth- that fact by itself says humanity in 40k would demolish them.
@@jesusojeda7850 Not really, only reason Humans won in the end was because the Covenant imploded from internal conflicts and a Flood attack. Even then they still needed the Elites help to make it over the finish line, without the Elites fleet humanity would have been done
@jesusojeda7850 humanity wasn't stopping the covenant. The civil war just happened during humanity's last stand.
Forerunners smack up any 40k faction and pre-cursors do it to an even greater degree. Them's just facts
I would love to see some major mini tau auxiliaries!
Kind of thinking one grunt with a plasma pistol has a good chance to stop a Tau mech lol. Depending on how well that emp charge blast works... could be the decision maker lol.
Fanfiction is criminally underrated.
If i was good at writing one, i would totally make one where the Tau replaces humanity in the war with the covenant.
@@KingInBlack69Man. Rhe only thing I'm wishing for the continued advancement of A.I. is that it can write crossover fanfiction, like look at all the universes that you can cross, and the only requisites is you define the limit of each universes' magical, and martial-magical, or in the case of sci-fi, tech, magi-tech, and magic (note that psychic is still a magic system).
@@jameschristophercirujano6650 maybe one day
0:28 Wait what?!
While the Imperium has better archeotech then the T'au, they can't produce it easily. They are big things take years to produces, while T'au battlesuits are almost made on production lines. So on average the T'au are more advanced then the Imperium.
The Imperium are a mix of low tier, mid tier and high tier technology. The T'au are consistently on the mid tier, no more no less.
Really interesting analysis overall and I think it raises a good point about one of the reasons the tau are still around (besides the fact no one can send enough resources to destroy them and justify the cost). They can and will adapt FAST. Example being when the Imperium started fielding titans, once the Tau got over their shock that the giant metal Hunchbacks of Notre Dame were real, they retooled their Tigersharks (or that was when tidersharks were brought in i cant quite remember) too have twin railguns. One to take out the voidshieed and one to take out the titan.
Another comment mentioned it but i would also be very curious too see how the Water Caste would fair. They had alot of success with Imperium worlds i could 100% see them swaying the Grunts and maybe even the Jackals to their side.
I geuneinely kinda wish there were a few more actual empires in modern 40k just for a bit more galaxy wide tactical warfare. As it stands, the necros wake up and have a few planets before either doing nothing or being removed, the nids dont keep planets, the orks just sort of happen, the eldar dont have established worlds and the tau are just too small.
I think more videos like this could be fun :)
What's interesting, to me at least, is the near complete lack of mention of the Kroot.
Kroot mercenaries make up a not insignificant portion of the Tau's combat capacity. They are also absolutely terrifying.
Not only are they massive cannibals (on average, standing between seven and eight feet tall) who are as strong as orks or even Space Marines in power armor, but they can adapt their biology based off whatever species they eat in real-time.
The covenant would be an absolute dream for the Kroot to fight, given the great diversity of their warriors. Since Kroot can gain muscle mass just by eating Ork, and can even grow wings by eating flying enemies, there's no telling how incredibly potent they would become after feasting on the most powerful covenant warriors. Considering they inhabit something like ten worlds, and their society is entirely devoted to their warrior culture, there are always plenty of them to go around.
I mean the Covenant is no stranger to cannibalism. The Brutes make sport of it (and the jackals dabble I think). They'd quite enjoy fighting the Kroot. I could picture the Brutes being relegated to brawling with the Kroot whilst the glory-hound elites go after the T'au. Brutes are also terrifying and I'd give one fair odds against an Ork in melee.
@@RJALEXANDER777 The main issues I could see the Covenant having with sending the Brutes to fight Kroot is what happens when the Kroot start eating them, and suddenly become as large and as resilient as they are.
Kroot eating your troops isn't an issue because its gross; It's an issue because they do so to augment themselves on a biological level to obtain the benefits of whatever they're consuming.
@@Necroes I mean they only evolve if they win the fight. Can't eat if they're dead. Though honestly Brutes would be pretty great food options. They come with decent benefits, without a lot of the... Side-effects that many 40K species do.
@@RJALEXANDER777 Surprisingly, not necessarily the case. Kroot are more than willing to use human-wave tactics when needed, but by default they actually prefer gorilla warfare and ambush tactics.
Much like Tau, they're also completely willing to fall back instead of fighting down to the last man.
Even if they lose the battle, so long as their enemies suffer losses, it's entirely possible for them to gorge themselves on any fallen foes before retreating.
Also, Kroot winning isn't an unlikely thing to happen. While people think of them as pretty simplistic creatures, if pressed they can bring to bear everything from anti-vehicular weaponry, to a massive behemoth creature known as a Great Knarloc. Basically a T-Rex on roids with a ballista on its back that fires high-explosive charges capable of punching holes in a fully armored tank.
Not to mention their fully Warp-Capable Warspheres; Massive battle ships, 9 kilometers in diameter, and among the very few of its class capable of landing on a planet.
@@Necroes I'm on your side here, Kroot are more awesome than people give credit. Just think Brutes would give them a good fight. Brutes are pretty capable jungle-fighters too, with immensely keen noses and impressive agility. Very tough to kill as well outside of headshot.
Halo has more realistic population sizes than mass effect, and 40k has more realistic population sizes than that. You could fit 40 billion humans quite comfortably, just in this solar system, with just the space and resources we have available here.
Yeah just pull a gundam build a shit ton of O’Neill cylinders
"comfortably" depends on who would be doing Urban designing
Majorkill I love you lol I’m typing this before I watch the vid but the fact you’re doing a halo vs warhammer shows you give a shit about you’re content and making it original keep doing what you’re doing much love brother
also a single hammerhead would be able to one tap a scarab from likely over a mile if they can target the core, its likely to pen from any angle as most of the scarab is actually fleshy insides past the outer armor
ITS TIME FOR A DEATH BATTTTTLLLLE!!!!
Huge misunderstanding of the Halo side of things. The covenant would show up and just glass every important planet. Those guys don't give a fuck unless there's forerunner artifacts. Also, the crushed humanity in the war. That's just the plot of halo 3, not even deep lore.
video idea. tyranids vs flood
I personally feel like if the covenant realized they couldn’t win ground battles. They probably just start glassing planets instead of even attempting troop landings wouldn’t be trying to destroy their own world, but the covenant would have no qualms.
I thought the Tau would win because 40k is usually over the top.
The analysis changed my mind though. The Covenant has a massive empire and the technology to get to the Tau, while the Tau don’t have the technology to get to the Covenant worlds. Sounds like the Tau couldn’t get enough ships ready with reverse engineered slipspace engines before the Covenant glasses the hundred planets of the Tau empire bunched up together!
That is basically where my mind's at. The Covenant outnumber the Tau I believe and they are too mobile for the Tau to properly counter unless they somehow get into enough attrition that the Tau maybe thinks of something good. Like the main reason why the Covenant were kinda bogged down from proper potential was that they are a theocracy and they worship Forerunner stuff. But the Tau don't really have that advantage like the UNSC did so the Covenant are probably gonna just glass the planets instead of going for any major ground battles.
@@CommissarChaoticwith what ships? Tau vessels have strong shields and guns of which weakest is likely matched by the beam cannons (the slicer ones) on larger covenant vessels.
I agree that, as it stands now, the tau would loose, but the covenant would loose a metric fuck ton of resources PER PLANET. hell its the whole reason why nobody has already stomped them: too much effort and resources required because these little blue fucks are very smart and not dipshits like the imperials
Halo is set 38 000 years before 40k.
By the time humanity in halo reaches the year 40k, they will have space Marines as the equivalent to guardsmen.
Or being in stagnation after nuclear war, if we use this logic 40k humanity would have golden age and absolute rule over entire galaxy if man of iron wont happen
@@silverbladeofnorth7345 halo got their big problems out of the way early and are set up to go very far. out of control AI? Handled. Long dead gods causing a ruckus? Handled. Zero chance for humanity to go fanatical like in 40k due to several reasons. First off, they were exposed to what blind fanaticism can do and will hate the concept from all the suffering it caused their species. Most of humanity in halo appear to be atheist and having met "gods", they won't be too keen on jumping on any bandwagons. The way the unsc is set up allows for great levels of efficiency. In just a few years, they not only adapted to a far superior foe, but defeated it.
38k years later, they will have a firm grasp on the galaxy. War in heaven tier warriors as basic line troops. Super structures that encompass star systems. The reclamation has already begun, and we are hopeless to stop it.
If they keep up their rate of advancement the average joe would probably be like a Primarch
No they won’t because Cortana wiped out all the Spartan MK4s in infinite, and the Mumtiplayer has been decanonized again,
There are literally no Spartans left outside of chief and a few others,
@@michaelkean5969 You're wrong but even if you were right they can always make more Spartans
Ooooh an actually good matchup
Even better: A genetically engineered Taurellian Dog Soldier that's inspired by the Sangheili. Let's fucking gooooo
The tau managed to figure out tactics to make orks decide fighting isnt fun. The tau could absolutely out-tactic the covenent even with starting on fairly similar footing. I like this breakdown.
That said: How would each empire's non-war factions? Each faction's politics was brought up for how the conflict starts; but as empires diplomacy is a important question. I don't know what the covenant's diplomacy looks like; but I'm imagining water caste members going to components of the covenant empire and swaying component worlds to their side. The tau earth caste are pretty good with xenotechnology as well - they could reverse engineer everything from space marines short of their indoctrination. Sure; the master chief can use covenant weapons when he loots them off their bodies; but its not long before battlesuits with needlers; power swords; and covenant energy shields are in full production.
Given that the Covenant splintered into a civil war all on their own after a few setbacks via Master Chief, the Water Caste would have them at each others' throats by lunch.
@@SarajevoKyoto You know thats actually a really good point. I could 100% see one of the tau tactics during the war being a propaganda campaign to sway the races of the Covenant
Considering the fact that the Covenant would never invade any of their planets Saints they don't have any Forerunner artifacts on them. They would simply show up obliterate the opposing Fleet and glass the planet into Oblivion
@@SarajevoKyotonot really because Master Chief blew up I hate a ring and considering how the tau have no way of doing that that then that's not going to happen
@mariobadia4553 The T'au figured out how to induce supernovae deliberately after doing it accidentally a few times, they can absolutely blow up a Halo.
Before watching im still betting on tau
Would love to hear your opinion on the forerunners in the 40k setting
I saw some really cool art last night of an elite drawn with tau style armour.
the tau are more around a 1000 worlds now I think gw realised how small they were and made them a bit bigger with their new warp drives. Because in their codex it says they have conquered countless worlds and some of their commanders are said to have been in nearly 100 wars so it would be dumb to describe them like that if they only had 100 worlds
Forerunners would stomp 40K.
The necrons would disagree.
Ok @pancreasnowork
The only thing I'd add thats missed completely is the seemingly legions of Tau drones with a huge multitude of purposes. Scouting, shields, attack. Adds a huge dimension to their combat.
Big video idea if you were to add a totally new faction both for lore and tabletop, what would it be?
Tau: "You're outgunned and outnumbered. Submit to the Greater Good!"
Arbiter: "Were it so easy."
Shipmaster: "Outnumbered, you say? Then it's a fair fight!"
Day 55 of asking for a dedicated series of videos detailing in depth the Lion El'Heresy
That’s actually an interesting idea for ‘sangheili reserves’ for the Tau, though not sure exactly how to a lot them in. They aren’t quite bulky enough to count as a battle suit and a bit to heavy for a fire warrior or stealth team exactly.
Could see them as an elite jump infantry, being not as tough as a battle suit, but trade it off for hitting much harder in melee.
the battle i've been wanting for so long!!!
Honestly I think the forerunners would wrek 40k humanity.
Chaos
@@christiandauz3742if humanity can hold out against chaos the Forerunners would clap them too
@@zachcollier7092Except that it’s made EXPLICITLY CLEAR in the lore that Chaos is not trying to win. So shut
@@stubbornspaceman7201that’s just bad writing.
@@IDKGaming7190 Won’t deny that, but that’s the canon
depends what halo faction tbh, ancient humans and forrunners would shitstomp the imperium
The necrons could probably take them especially at their peak
@@Lord_CVThe necrons could come together with the eldar to fight the Forerunners and i still think they would just barely beat them, Forerunner tech is just on a league of its own.
@@FarmerSlayerFromTheEdoPeriod Consider that the forerunners were unable to defeat the flood- The tyranids are pretty much an upgraded flood, and just a dynasty of necrons can trivialize fighting them. The main difference is that 40k factions evolved around war, thus their technology focus on war- necrons can fight, defeat and enslave godlike beings capable of razing planets to the ground, while the forerunners have feats of astroengineering above of those of the necrons.
@@jesusojeda7850how are the tyranids an upgraded flood?
@@jesusojeda7850 The Flood is way more powerful
next video idea "comparison" Tau vs Protoss (star craft)
I never thought about this before