Honestly it’s very difficult to say how the helldivers would realistically stack up in 40k since helldovers lacks a lot of lore and it’s unclear how powerful each helldiver is. In game they are really powerful since the player needs to have fun (think of it like the space marine from the boltgun game who is more comparable to a costodes) I see many comments which claim that the helldivers would steamroll certain factions or win major battles and other comments which claim that a single space marine chapter would make short work of the whole faction. Although each hell diver is skilled I cannot say that a hell diver could take a space marine in a 1v1. You need to remember how agile and fast a marine is who would only need 2 bolter shots to realistically take down a helldiver. Basically I would like you guys to remember that there is a difference between in-game and in-lore strength. Obviously the hell divers in game can take on massive and powerful enemies (it’s because the player needs to have fun) but to claim that in-lore hell divers could make short works of a necron tomb world makes no senese. Imagine it like the hunters from halo who can be easily killed in game and the hunters in the lore which are 1000x more dangerous. But keep the comments coming i love reading all of your guys’ takes and opinions
With how fast the game is evolving doing this video again in a year or two would likely be drastically different as to how long the helldiver's could hold out against the imperium
While I respect your opinion and won't try to change your mind I'm still going to point out that In 40k lore mortal humans like ciaphas cain can keep up with a world eater in a 1v1 and he would die instantly if he got hit once so if a helldiver needs two hits to kill they would be much better of than a commissar plus ceramite is only 3 times stronger than steel so a astartes breastplate is equivalent to 15 inches of steel which is better than most modern ship armor but not impossible for a helldiver to get through so a veteran of melevelon creek could reliably kill a astartes because there really good a killing heavily armored enemies that can kill them in one hit
+ Super Earth FTL is instantaneous alongside with instant transmission of DATA. I just imagine them running loops around Imperium's navy. Oh you mobilised Group Solar ? Would be a shame if we dissapeared and instantly started deploying across the galaxy
@@skaut_games7644 Jumps to the other end of the Great Rift just to spite them Hell their FTL is so fast and Imperial communications are so slow and unreliable it would likely cause the Imperium to vastly overestimate their numbers because they'd practically be in multiple places at once compared to Warp travel
@@wasdwazd just imagine poor administratum adept / inquisitor trying to comprehand how could 360 fleets appear in orbit of every major planet across imperium in 360 days
@@wasdwazd imperial navy needs to enter warp beyond gravitational fields Helldivers just jump into low orbit Imagine destroyer appears in orbot. Deploys a planet cracker and dissapeares
There are advantage of super earth that can shift the balance. 1-the Galaxy web(insta info sharing) 2- the FTL jump(insta traveling from edge to edge). 3-adaptability (super earth can adapt at any situation by developing weapon for special occurance and they don't mind taking or developing alien tech ) 4-they have stable system and control most of the galaxy(no cults no uprisings etc) 5- they have many soldiers (in 2 mounths they lost 200 millions elite troops and they have the capabilities to keep fighting and field more). 6-unlike the emperium they have better resources management
they also likely have much higher quality soldiers/citizens given the fact they've had a seemingly successful eugenics program for decades, and have a incredible surveillance apparatus to detect dissidents
Imperium's standing lowest estimation of soldiers is 500 trillion No Super Earth only has control of about 253 planets +, the Imperium has over a million planets Adaptability: The Imperium constantly fight forces that bend reality, turning entire planets into giant bowls of soup and stars into black holes. Yet they still remain ontop The Imperium has FAR greater resource management I hate when people say this. There are literally entire planets dedicated to just keeping tracks of records
You got one thing wrong, In lore all Helldivers are seperate individuals, not clones. Recruited from every liberated/settled planet and cryogenically frozen and sent off to battle believing they're Heros (they are)
Tempestuous sion are just the helldiver with tesla shield lasgun, so a frontal assault of tempestus boy,the kreeg afterwards to stagnate them until the space marine shows up
Sadly i doubt that's happening since the mobile fabrication boys don't go down in 1 pod. Tho the support weapons might tilt the scale. And by support I mean the support weapons drop pod
@@hadyndiangi4315 Well, yes but actually no, Helldivers _have_ the capabilities to solo* armies, but they aren't meant for that, they're meant for deep insertions to eliminate or secure strategic assets like Bot Fabricators or Bile Titans etc etc. They are an elite peacekeeping force after all. ;) *It's more like a squad that can face off an entire army, not a single guy.
Helldivers are cool and stuff, but would be nothing in the universe if 40k. The tyranids are way more powerful than Helldivers bugs. Chaos could eliminate them instantly as a race.
Uncle Sam elbow dropping Nurgle, giving a swirling to Tzeench, bitch slap Slaanesh and giving a German suplex to Khrone. That is the best mental image ever.
@@skell6134 were talking about a robotic army that have been around since the beginning and they're well known of enslaving Gods to gain their power. Super Earth will be fucked if they won't make an alliance with the Imperium.
Why would they need a navy when they can use their FTL engines and use super earths supply of WMDs on holy terra to destroy the protection of the emperor thus destroying any need to fight a unified imperium!
@@echothegecko2875 they would reverse engineer everything and get better of it we have to remember that the humanity dose not like to get new technology for there stupid reasons super earth on the other hand would accept new technology with open arms and i am not saying helldivers would come out on top hell if that happens then guilliman is a heretic for me
@@skell6134 I saw a fucking clip of a Helldiver fisticuffing an Automaton Hulk Flamer, admittedly it was the heatsinks that they were punching, but still.
a extremly im portant point to be made is, lore wise the iluminate are a extremly advanced species and super earth just took over their technoly, the tech exist, super earth has it, but IT ISNT necessary at the moment, helldivers are provided with just whats needed, not the best they have. thats why the armored mechs only got deployed once super earth noticed that the divers need a lot more firepower. so it would not take long for advanced weapons the start being deployed as the new enemys ahead are way stronger.
This is an extremely important point and one that makes lore sense too. The Super Earth government doesn’t want to over arm any of its ‘elite’ soldiers unless the threat calls for it, and they are both not against nor are they insufficient in backwards engineering high tech weapons and equipment that they reap off of their conquered foes to then gift to their army as they deem necessary. This means that for every high tech enemy they face and (admittedly small chance) defeat they just get much more stronger for every foe they learn from.
@@rhett3185yeah, I read somewhere that they don't give the best in case of a helldivers rebellion. It makes sense as the helldivers are the elite autistic child of super earth. Maybe they have an even better force that we don't know.
A terminator teleport in front of you, punch you in the face A psyker blow up your brain before you can do anything So space ship support. In this case, one shot of a novacannon shall shatter a planet. And a deathstrike missile, a mastodon with void shield, a TITAN, a shadowsword, an Assassinorum, Remember you are allowed to live because the emperor will it
2:32 keep in mind that the Super Destroyers carry far more crew, and a lot of frozen helldivers too. We only interact with the bridge crew because we’re like top shelf soldiers
@fesco4752 Keep in mind that the average battle ship of Imperium has thousands of people inside it. They live and die in the belly of ships, they have whole generations changing inside ships. There are dozens of books where you can read the everyday life of the ordinary inhabitants of the lower compartments of imperial ships. P.S if i remember correctly, the biggest ship type of imperim (Glorianas) had almost 100 thousands of crew inside it.
@@ThorinOakenshield343 100 thousands? pretty much a small helldivers operation of enemy numbers we'd win... joke aside yeah, but we don't know every info about super earth military force, we just only know about helldivers and remember that helldivers are milleniuns before 40k and people are already asking if they can take 40k because of the factions of 1 and 2, so maybe we can have some surprises. Honestly i think both would ally and the democratic officer and the inquisition would tell the stories about their forces with the democratic officer saying about how stupid and effective the helldivers are and the inquisition asking how they are winning.
yep, and super-earth is both non-chaotic AND not under the thrall of any alien civilisation. It would be mostly a matter onf convincing them big-E is, in fact, democracy personified. The one Caveat is that Super Earth may not tolerate any authority outside of its own, and may be dumb enough to declare that the imperium needs to be taken over.
@@skell6134 by that logic, every lost human world the imperium finds would be. They have special fleets that are meant to bring such worlds into compliance, by force if necessary, and help them integrate (things like establishing the imperial cult and cult mechanicus, collecting information so the administration can assign a tithe, forming one government for the world/solar system to deal with the wider imperium though, etc).
Thing is. Super Earth has a super BIG advantage. It’s FTL. They can canonically cross the galaxy in an instant, they are FASTER than literally everything in 40K. While it’s army’s would stand a good chance against most 40K ground forces. That being said their navy fucking sucks in every other way than FTL to everyone else. They could literally run from everyone and nobody would ever catch them.
This yeah. The only ones who could keep up are the necrons. They could just hit Imperial and Tau worlds, then run off before reinforcements can arrive.
@@notjarek237 Thing is, they have instant communication and seemingly FTL sensors. They stand NO FUCKING CHANCE in a space fight, but they also stand an equally small chance of getting caught lmao
Let's put it this way, in Guilliman's government, Super Earth has two gigantic bargaining chips that they can leverage in order to transition cleanly and painlessly to protection under the wider Imperium. 1.) The Galactic Wide Web, using quantum particles that could bypass any requirement to use the Warp for immediate communication in an effectively instant timeframe. 2.) The Alcubierre Drive, which enables starships to arrive at any destination across the galaxy near-instantaneously. These two together would serve as assets so ludicrously valuable to the Imperium of Man that Guilliman and Terra would handwave any ideological gaps in order to gain access (and the ideological gaps are nearly negligible because of the Democratic Council and the doublethink their propaganda machine could disseminate to the wider Super Earth Public). The GWW and Alcubierre Drive, when mass-produced and distributed, would effectively be the Imperial Webway project come to fruition without any interference from the Warp. The Imperium starts shoring up all of its crumbling fronts, because now their policy of Layered Proportional Defense no longer brings overwhelming force to bear within months or years, it brings overwhelming force to bear within THE HOUR. From that point on, anything short of a fully-fledged Hive Fleet or Black Crusade would have to be launched in order to gain any ground against the Imperium. Anything smaller-scale would be buried beneath Navy and Imperial Guard assets by the end of the day. Allowing Super Earth to thrive under Terra's sphere of influence is an unimaginable bargain in comparison, and they'd quite happily become a heavily-contributing component of Humanity's war machine. They wouldn't just survive the 40K galaxy if the right people see the potential of bringing them into the fold. They'd be the Imperium's win-condition.
They also have no Psychers and are so hopped up on being 18ish years old that Chaos has no power over them. Khorn is like "Those guys scare me, they set the planet on fire to fight the natural fire tornados... and it worked.".
those two things are probably why I think super earth would wipe the covenant. like yeah the covenant are stronger in space, but what good is that when a fleet 50,000 strong shows up to blast your fleet of maybe 100-1000. super earth would be able to react and mass fleets faster then the covenant could take them on.
@@electroeel148 not unless the Super President or whatever entity, represents the very idea of (Managaed) Democracy in the chaos realm, as others have said, imagine Uncle Sam boxing against all of the Chaos Gods because of the billions of people indoctrinated to believe in Managed Democracy, Liberty, and Freedom.
Damn people are so wrong about the Helldivers. You think the CIS would survive? Then the Helldivers would kick *absolute ass*. The automatons would rip the CIS to shreds, and the Helldivers can beat the Automatons. Lets put some numbers into perspective. We can assume the in-game events are relatively accurate, and 30.000 Super Destroyers with their Helldiver complement killing 100+ automatons per half hour (144.000.000 per day) plus their production capacity *can still lose the war*. This also puts a big doubt on the number of Helldivers mentioned here, as there’s more than a couple of million Helldivers dying on a single planet every few days, every day for highly contested planets. While currently unfrozen Helldivers might be that much, the total number available will be ludicrously big. They can kill more Automatons per day than are deployed to places like Vraks and still lose a planet. Even if you scale it down and say “ah but automatons aren’t as tactically capable so they’d kill less of better factions” we could still assume 1.000.000 kills per day easily, for a lot less casualties. Then tech: people seem to expect SE’s tech to not be that good. Yet this “low tech” can *tear off the limbs of a Rhino sized murder bug* . The fact that they can be compared to having a chance against Tyranid swarms already is a giant alarm bell saying “yo maybe they aren’t that low tech”. You might point to Super Destroyers but these are basically *insertion craft* . We know from the in-game snippets that the SEAF is tasked with building orbital defenses to slow down invasions of Automatons which can land enough troops that losing 144.000.000 per day plus production capacity isn’t enough to make them lose. We also know the SEAF can build networks to *gas entire planets* in the span of a month, in contested area’s. The Super Destroyers aren’t the mainstay of Super Earth, they are there just to do what is essentially a raid. I don’t know what the SEAF army has, but considering they can buss the SEAF around and build planetary wide defense measures and orbital defenses in a matter of weeks and designed to stop an onslaught of literally billions or Automatons or Terminids it can’t be small. Then there is the method of deployment. Helldivers are rarely on the frontline, they attack the production, logistics, take out high value targets. Except that unlike 40K ships they can go from one star system and FTL directly into orbit of another planet, land their Helldivers, deal the damage and be gone in half an hour. With the extreme rarity of Space Marines they’ll likely rarely encounter them, and it’s likely the Helldivers will shut down the supply line of the Space Marines first before they actually encounter them. A logistics center like Vraks that supplies entire sectors would have Helldivers deployed into it before they even realize they should man the weapons and raise the shields. Forge Worlds would be assaulted on important area’s, likely a costly endeavor despite most of the enemies being whichever poor sods have to live and work there, servitors and whichever non-combattant Mechanicus personel with but a few Skitarii. Agri worlds get gassed, logistics ruined, production gets killed or destroyed. Yes when Space Marines or the Astra Militarum deploys it’ll deal a lot of damage, but they all will be defeated off the battlefield. Also lets put something straight: Helldivers wear full armor, a primary, secondary, a backpack with a LOT of extra ammo and a crew-served support weapon, then RUN and fire that puppy on the move. They can carry a full auto-canon and fire it, these guys would be the few who could take an Astartes Bolter and fire it without breaking their bones. These guys can take an armored Elephant slamming into them and get up to keep fighting. These are NOT your average humans. The reason 40K might have a chance at keeping Super Earth down is purely the massive size.
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Lets remember too that in lore in the first galactic war helldivers took cybertan with only 50 helldivers(idk if it's true or not just Heard about it lol)
The fun thing about Helldrivers is how influential it's real-world players are to the lore of the game. Kinda like how every tabletop battle can represent a fight in the 41st millennium. Every time you play a mission in Helldivers 2 that has small but real impact to the story. As such the quality of the Helldivers themselves is represented by the players themselves. The capabilities of individual Helldivers ranges from cringe noobs to battle-hardened one man armies who've made a science out of the efficiency of their loadouts. And you can bet your liber tea that the community could think up some optimal strats and loadouts against the various threats of 40K.
@@renatoafonsomaiacarneiro950 Nah, a shotgun or something for one's 16th birthday barely even registers on the 'Murica scale compared to... everything else. Cadians are already well-trained conscripts by that age, they start with the basic weapons training as soon as the kids are old enough to understand.
@@crowe6961 now imagine Space marines being able to call down fire support at any point or any location almost simultaneously. The imperium would destroy the xenos completely and utterly
......so is damn near everything else in the 40k universe 😂 sorry love the game to death but it's like a gaurd without the numbers or tanks sooooo... ya..... they got a decent navy bu against HIS most glorious navy....again not going cut the cake lol ❤
@@dt5205 don't be that guy. 40k is my first love, we are all aware helldivers could not solo the 40k universe. Go hug your Primaris and tell yourself everything will be okay. 🙄
@@MrCdog85 They can so long as they have orbital supremacy. Astartes strike cruisers and battle barges have strategic level weapons too spicy for squad level engagements, but can launch fighters/gunships to support boots on the ground.
In Helldivers anything that happens in-game is lore accurate, because that is how the story/lore of the universe is made. And just recently an order to kill 2 billion terminids had been completed in half a day, which could have been even faster, really. I think, a force so efficient should not be underestimated.
The biggest problem with trying to debate Super Earth in other Sci-Fi settings is the Helldivers are the only part of the Super Earth Armed Forced (SEAF) that we actually hear about. Trying to base the entire SEAF on just the Helldivers is like saying the entire US military is 700,000 green berets. The most we hear about ships other than the Super Destroyer, Eagle, and Pelican is a quote from one of the bridge crew "The average Helldiver mission costs almost as much as a Liberty Class cruiser." What is a Liberty Class cruiser? No idea. You're a Helldiver, and you Helldive. Airforce, navy, rank and file infantry isn't part of Helldiving, so it isn't talked about. I also don't think that Super Earth is xenophobic. They're cartoonishly expansionist and hyper aggressive, but they also entered into a peace treaty with the Illuminate during Helldivers 1 (and broke the treaty when the Illuminate didn't want to share their planet busting weapons with the cartoonishly expansionist, hyper aggressive Super Earth.) Super Earth also has warp drives that can travel from one end of the galaxy to the other in seconds and send information just as fast. Aside from the Imperium, who Super Earth has the best chance of entering peaceful negotiations with, any faction that tries to fight Super Earth would see hundreds of thousands of Super Destroyers warp into orbit, hurl bombs and lasers planet side, and then warp away. It also completely bypasses travelling the Warp, so the Eldar, Imperium, and Tau would be cheering for Managed Democracy just to get Alcubierre drives. Imagine the smile on Gulliman's face when he gets Super Earth Galactic Wide Web, can send orders across the Imperium, and get a response in seconds. Gulliman wants to go to a planet, and his personal Super Destroyer "Democracy by Any Other Name" has him planet side in minutes. The Helldivers, I think, also have weapons that are close to or exceed the weapons that the Imperial Guard and even some Space Marine factions. For the bolter they have the Jar 5 Dominator and the Eruptor, which fire rocket propelled, explosive bullets. For the lasgun, the Helldivers have the Scythe and the Sickle, which fire a continuous beam and pulse lasers respectively. They can also call down shield generator backpacks, which should make them much more durable. This probably wouldn't help much in large scale battles like Imperial Guard firing blocks, or hundreds of thousands of orks charging, but Helldivers are sent behind enemy lines to target critical positions. The Helldivers aren't dangerous because they can form huge firing lines and spit lasers all day, they're dangerous because they landed behind you and you have less than an hour to stop them before they blow up all your stuff.
They're basically just Tempestus Scions with more accurate fire support. And the SEAF troops are basically the imperial Guard. And Super Earth has a massive overpopulation issue. I could totally see the Imperium incorporating them into the Imperium with some autonomy like the Ultramar worlds.
That and also the helldivers have an insane advantage in basically being able to cross anywhere in the galaxy without warp stuff. And can communicate in a way that isn't affected by the warp.
Helldivers are like the elite Guardsmen, who are deployed like they're Space Marines, and are told to believe that they are like Space Marines......but are still like guardsmen-like in the end.
Don't forget all the space drugs. Light armor with stamina enhancer makes every helldiver into Usain Bolt with a 9 second breather in between sprints and stims are practically giving a 2-4 second deadpool moments.
If anything, than Super Earth would declare war upon Eldar, Tau and Votann, because of thier tech. They already declared war upon the illuminates in Helldivers 1, because they had develop some wmd... so Super Earth will also use the same propaganda on them.
That's would be the worst choice they ever made Eldars empire maybe dying But they're still one of the strongest faction to fight They would send Khaine and told him to annihilate their democracy like nothing Tau and Votann in other hand Would blast your head before you can even think what's just happened
“The forces of chaos are manifestations of tyranny, fascism, slavery, and poverty… all things that super earth will not allow to come to its citizens… but not without help, this is where you come in. Become a helldiver, defeat chaos, and bring liberty to the galaxy, become a helldiver, become a legend, become… a hero.” - super earth propaganda regarding the four ruinous powers, the imperium watches in horror as super earths citizens become seemingly immune to chaos taint.
Thye may succumb to chaos themselves considering that even the most loyal of the imperium can if thet were put 8m the 40k universe also how will they deal with the daemons or the the choas god army
I disagree given enough time maybe say 100 years of other empires ignoring them super earth could end up clearing a good swath of the galaxy under managed democracy, especially if they don't target the imperium. their FTL tech and FTL communications alone are a game changer for that universe. the main issue is for them to build a fleet capable of standing against the Imperium and upgrading their weapons to be able to destroy/defeat their opponents but once they have the fleet even if its 1/10000th the size of the imperium's its enough since they can mass forces near instantly while the imperium is working with the warp where they might get a fleet within a week or two or have ships show up a millennium late or never at all. like imagine the imperium showing up on a super earth world with a hundred ships only for 10,000 super earth ships to appear fully ready for battle and briefed within a few hours of you showing up.
@@speedy01247imo mobility in space in itself is deadly even if you only give Helldivers the ships shown and assume they have ship to ship weapons. (Which I mean come on they would) Space is massive and a round fired from ship to ship isn't going to get there instantly. If you can literally just leave before it connects that's insanely accurate fleet retention. And you could pop into a sector do your first volly and dip before retaliation. Which is fucking dirty good in the 40k universe. They would just bombard who they couldn't use a Helldivers to kill to death. Granted democracy is Human so they would probably get a trade agreement with the imperium after they realize having to fight a fleet that's fully FTL capable is fucking aids.
Helldiver Command: "Listen, we can *handle* the giant bugs - honestly, hypertoxic spores are kinda just old news. If you handle the freaky demon things spawning out of those energy buttholes, we'll handle the 'Nids. Sound good?" Guilliman: "That is acceptable. We'll provide you with details on planets needing those xenos removed; I'm sure the Knights of Titan will be thrilled to have such resolute allies helping them root out the corrupting touch of the Warp."
Bro, tyranids are not terminids. Terminids is just a cheap parody of Tyranids. Meanwhile, as a swarm of Terminids can be destroyed, and they do not cause much harm on the planet, a swarm of Tyranids will be very difficult to destroy even for a space marine and for an ordinary person even almost impossible. Tyranids are driven by a single overmind, it will take them seconds to coordinate on the battlefield, while the helldivers will understand how to fight the Tyranids, the Tyranids will have already developed tactics to completely destroy the humanity of the helldivers in a couple of seconds. Tyranid ships are also alive, they can literally devour an enemy ship. Secondly they are driven by eternal hunger, they don't just devour all life on the planet, they devour the entire planet including all biomass (Water, atmosphere, dirt, etc) as a result after their feast the planet turns into charred stone.
Helldivers operate against the clock. the helldivers are super earth's organized hit and run force. I think they would definitely pose atleast a unique threat to the 40k verse. super destroyers are very maneuverable compared to the 40k verse in both ftl and orbit with the standard super destroyer only sticking around for about 30 minutes before getting the hell out of there when the standard imperial ship takes hours to reposition. A helldiver destroyer could accomplish multiple attacks before an enemy ship even gets within weapons range at that point the destroyer could just warp out. it would be like if the eldar had a webway portal right into your hive spire. as a fighting force the helldivers dont hold a candle to 40k's equivalents but what they do have shear fucking unpredictability, your average average imperial noble is gonna be a lot more carefull when he learns that the helldivers just fucking appeared in orbit and landed on the governors front porch and shot him
I'd say SEAF regular infantry may be equivalent to Guardsmen (no way to verify this, so take it with a big grain of salt), while Helldivers are more elite Guardsmen on crack designed and trained to deploy behind enemy lines, level everything with bombardment, even if they die. They may be expendable but the amount of damage they can cause is high
so was horus, sanguinius, rogal dorn, ferus manus, and konrad kurze among many other named characters. In warhammer 40k having a name doesnt keep you alive, it just delays your death
@@thorveim1174 If they will interact with Warhammer 40k then it means their rules gonna apply to them thus every single helldiver will automaticly get plot armor Especially if they start taking off their helmets too
@@skell6134 “going over the statistics our soldiers effectiveness increases dramatically when they take off their helmets” “What? That makes no sense” “The numbers don’t lie sir”
Space Marines: “We are humanities pinnacle. One of us worth an army of your Helldivers.” Helldiver: “ha ha, 500kg bomb go boom.” Other Helldiver: *holds trigger of auto cannon* “Bite me.” Other Helldiver: “I’m fast as fuck boiii” Other Helldiver: *Switches railgun to unsafe mode* “This is where the fun begins.”
While I do think you undersold the strength of the Helldivers and their weaponry, I cannot argue that they wouldn't get fucked due to having a weak navy. Super Earth would be an interesting faction due to how it would (for the most part) be at a disadvantage, however if it could survive the first few years it would rapidly grow in power due to the stolen tech and being of of only two factions to actually develop new tech.
Uh Galaxywide dude, a super destroyer has enough firepower to vaporise a small moon and it’s not even an actually meant to fight other ships, that’s the job of Liberty class cruisers, which Super Earth would have an absurd amount of.
@@eneram8846 give super earth a century (totally plausible with how inefficient the imperium is and with the wonky warp screwing with flight times) and super earth would likely be able to play on the same battlefield with a massive advantage (cause even if their fleet is tiny by comparison they can mass it where its needed nearly instantly while other factions can't)
Hell Divers can move men and material faster because they have more reliable FTL travel . They also have better orbital support. Individual hell divers can literally request orbital support at any time whereas in 40k the navy and army don’t coordinate well and it’s a big bureaucratic mess to get any kind of orbital support. Super Earth’s ability to conduct war is so much more efficient than the Imperium’s it might not matter that he Imperium has a jillion men and super soldiers that spit acid.
"How many helldivers are there" dude just figure out how many people are playing the game lmao "The tau have better tech they'd obliterate the helldivers" looks at the Illuminate Sir please do your homework next time
If any allegience was made with the Tau or Imperium, Super Earth would be getting a good tech boost. (Give my helldiver a plasma incinerator or bolter please!)
That's the closest tech. And it still "human" sized. It's a one shot vs humans and does aoe with the rocketHEbullets. And yet.... lasguns is enough to kill humans. Numbers, tech and skills are on WH40k side, like most times
You _really_ don't want a Helldiver with a 40k plasma gun. That's a waste of both a perfectly good gun and a great soldier, considering they probably wouldn't know about the... **ahem** heating problem.
The thing about helldivers is that at first they get beat up and blown to bits, then they adapt. Also they share the memories of their fallen comrade so it wouldn't take long to know their enemy's weaknesses to create new weapons and tactics to defeat them.
@@Flamme-Sanabithink its just to explain how that each time you die the next reinforcement aka you the player goes straight for the enemy wich killed you, but i dunno enough bout helldivers lore
A Hell Diver can canonically complete a Hell Diver difficulty mission solo. This includes facing off against numerous tanks, mechs, walkers, giant bile titans and more. A This alone in my opinion would scale them in skill to that of an Astartes if not greater, as most space marines are thier most effective as a unit. The Super Earth destroyers give an. Extremely huge advantage to the hell divers as somehow every single troop has the equivalency of thier own orbital weapons platform feature numerous nukes, missles, orbital cannons, etc. These weapons should be capable of cracking open most of the standard imperium vehicles if not through strength than through sheer volume. Now naval to naval battles I believe the imperium has the advantage unless we are given more context, though the hell divers do maintain galactic levels of control, so take with that information what you will.
Given you get multiple lives in the game, isn't that technically a squad or two pulling the work? That being said it still puts the best Helldivers on the level of an Astartes.
@@RJALEXANDER777 not realy lore acurate space marine would make short work of heldivers. I mean lol they are normal human and space marine biologie supass far of human. All shootweapon of heldivers wont even pentrated normal space marine armor if i go with the strongest version in books(Varies bettween authors)and even then you forget space marine have way more combat experience from 100 of years of they Service. The only think which could do the Trick is maybe airstrike but in game it take time and given how fast Reflexe and speed of a space marine is in lore they can easily evade that.
@@RJALEXANDER777 That is assuming you die. There are no death runs of people accomplishing the higher level difficulties. Its kinda like Spartan ops in halo. Spartan crimson team never dies despite having respawns canonically. If a Hell Diver simply is efficient enough to accomplish these goals without dying then they are just that good. Ofcourse this would imply every hell diver is of that skill level which is not always likely but, you could take away that the most veteran and peak Hell Divers are of that caliber. So I assume that the skill range could go from newbies that might not survive an hour to extremely advanced and sophisticated soldiers that do the impossible.
@@alabz2148 The biggest issue with the adeptus astartes is that they are radically inconsistent in portrayal. We have cases of guys like Dante literally ripping apart a brood lord Tyranid with his bare hands and cases of spaces marines being killed by las gun fire that penetrated an eye ball. I can't recall the horus heresy novel but if I remember correctly there was a case of an astartes being killed by a normal spear being thrown through his eye(I personally think this is stupid but from what I'm aware eye shots are the one weakness of an astartes). Naturally in melee contest the astartes solos entirely. In a ranged battle the astartes definitely has the advantage in durability but I'd wager skill is roughly the same if only due to the fact we have seen space marines felled by guardsman, orks, Eldari and lesser warriors throughout the novels and table top. Physically and durability wise an astartes I think would probably be on par with an Autamoton hulk(since they are immune to all but the heaviest weapons in game). The biggest game change I think is the orbital weapons the Hell Diver can call down as well as the heavier weapons like the Quasar canon which should be able to pierce space marine ceramite since in 40k plasma and melta weapons have a similar effect.
@@majortughjedi9813 yeah i blame the multiple authors of gw making them unclear(different) in powerlevel in they books like they did to primarch making them as strong, durable and fast as a tall bulk space marine to making them as strong, durable and fast as comic book superman Version the mid tier to low tier powerlevel. We have stats given however what the speed, reaction time and strenght of space marine are. I always like to lean they power always in the strongest Version from the books suit better the Verse they are in.
Honestly? With a seemingly bottomless defense budget and a near limitless number of bodies to throw at a problem, Super Earth would be a pretty tough nut to crack
With the imperium sending their also near limitless number of bodies, the gaurd, or their entire galaxy sized war machine of production.. Or they'd exterminatus the 20 or so worlds the helldivers own
Lol a bunch of viral bombs like on Istvan III and super earth no more, just Necrons could annihilate super earth, regular humans with op equipment wouldnt stand a chance xD
Given their ideologically similatrties, like xenophobia, anti-ai sentiments and general human supremacism; the relationship between the Imperium and Super Earth would go quite smooth, their only real ideological difference is the religon but even then Super Earth doesn't seem to have an official state religion so I doubt the Super Council would care much about the imperial cult as longs as their power over Super Earth isn't put in jeopardy.
For every 40k faction, I'd take the Orbital Railgun, Personal Shield Backpack, Eagle Airstrike and Quasar. Take an armor with 50% chance to not die from lethal damage. Couple that with 20k players/destroyers at a given time at a planet. I like democracy's odds.
Heh, my loadout is a 500kg with a nice clusterbomb with a dashing spear,and my favorite the gatling sentry., I got way better odds from a far then fighting upclose.
Eagle would have a high probability of being intercepted or harassed by ground-to-air assets. Like bots but with way more secondary support assets. Orbital barrage of some sort would be more reliable.
I think most people are forgetting the fact that unlike the Imperium in 40k Super Earth has been steadily expanding their technological advancement through BOTH games. Super Earth not only has access to shields and ftl drives but they have the WMDs basically bombs that can destroy entire destroy worlds and they got that from the Illuminids so paired with their non warp using ftl drives technically they can throw WMDs onto holy terra destroying it, destroying the protection of the emperor and throwing the galaxy into chaos, this would be a victory to Super earth.
To the last point, you are right about the destruction of Terra spelling the end for the Imperium...but it would also give a huge boost to all Chaos factions
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle I’m sorry to say but you can’t destroy the WMD that easily I think it’s more of a liquid form and I assume you don’t need to be near the planet to release it, and if it’s a bomb then load it onto your entire super earth fleet and fire them all at the planet, I’m sure even holy Terra cannot destroy more than a million super earth destroyers.
@@oldstyle5114 yes and the chaos would fight with the remaining Empire of man and the many other factions, giving super earth the time to build their strength and slowly democratize the galaxy!
@@instantcookedromancazk9557 only a million? A single orbital defense platform in 40k was able to defend against billions of tyranids hive ships and only got taken down when it ran out of ammo. Holy terra has more than a single orbital defense platform orbiting around it. The instant that ships appear in the sol system unauthorized they are getting ripped to shreds. Unless WMDs can be sent FTL by themselves, super earth has no way of glassing holy terra
Look, i am a massive 40k fan but you really underestimate the capabilities of Helldivers, they can call on massive orbital and airial support to deal with lower end titan size enemies, they have tons of armor penetrating weapons some being direct equivalent to 40k weapons like the Autocannon, it's a 1 to 1 to the autocannon operate by the Astra Militarum and it's an Astartes killing weapon when it hits, their railgun are 1 to 1 to Tau railgun with similar design suggesting similar technology at play. The helldivers would be very effective in behind the lines operations against the Astra Militarum and would wreak armies of Tau, they are often facing several dozens of enemy mech looking like dreadnought supported by hundreds of foot soldiers and tanks. A few crisis battelsuits would be a joke to them.
Since at least a billion Helldivers have died in the game that means they have massive reserves of these elite fighters compared to the Atsates who only number in the hundred of thousands
For massive space support, it is necessary to maintain control over the space around the planet. Given that anti-space defense systems are quite common in the imperium, they can easily drag out a planetary war long enough for reinforcements to arrive, primarily the fleet. 99% of the power of Helldivers is support from orbit.
If you ever think a WH40k mech is hard to tank down for helldivers, just remember, hellpods exist, and can deal heavy damage. Probably 3-4 hellpods can take out a WH40k mech. Not sure though.
i mean given what super earth has done in the past give them enough time in say, tau occupied space and theyd be able to steal and reverse engineer some pretty impressive tech. not to mention the sheer force of democracy being projected into the warp and becoming a chaos god
They can't In fact they're the one who will get annihilate by Tyranids if they keep hunting these bugs Tyranids definitely will adapt to fight theirs weapons and there's also a genestrealers It would be like Octarius war
@@MinoTaurus205 Genestealers don't work against super earth. Not only is the propaganda indoctrination very effective, encouraging people to report others to the democracy officers for undemocratic behavior, sex is regulated. Genestealers filling out their C-01s would get noticed, and if they didn't, they'd be reported for treason.
@@MinoTaurus205Let's be real, they would be spamming orbital strike and air strikes. It was said that the Bug Army was reduced 80% percent in the first war before the Helldiver are send to clean up the remaining bugs.
@@warhammer8867 Are you really think Tyranids just live in planet and stay there? Tyranids is not just stupid bug that would wait you to strike them without any preparation
The helldivers are the players of the game so there numbers are almost infinite and tactics always improving so they will get their ass kicked at the start but become the top dogs in the end
Helldivers are Guardsmen who think they're Tempestus Scions, and perform like Kasarkin (being untrained, raw recruits). They might not take a space marine solo, but they'll *try*, and that's probably the most dangerous part, because they don't consider or care that they'll come back. Combine with the extreme ordinance that SE supports each and every individual helldiver with, which each diver is entirely willing to call within a literal stone's throw. 40k monsters are tough, but I don't think many can handle 500kg bomb being sent directly to them specifically. Divers are deployed in ways not dissimilar to Space Marines in terms of tactics and numbers per battlefield, and are extremely well equipped, having uniform equipment -- they have warpless FTL (within space they control) and each Destroyer can do what it pleases. They're like caltrops that move on their own. They also have significant terraforming capability - in case of defeat, they literally just pack up and move Super Earth somewhere else. (And/or they might force citizens to cultivate supplies on inhospitable worlds.) Planets that are of no interest to anyone else might be worthwhile to Super Earth, giving them options. We haven't seen the SE navy in action, but they can and do run orbital defence platforms, so they're not helpless in a naval battle. (Not to mention they might consider launching hellpods at enemy ships by just rolling over in space...) Vs the 40k setting, I think they'll hold up a lot better than you give them credit for -- you're basically looking at a well equipped, borderline fanatical Cadia, except they don't divert their recruitment to other wars. And if Cadia beat back multiple black crusades while supporting half the imperium, Super Earth could take scalps, no sweat. They are going up against the entire galaxy though - SE doctrine is incompatible with anything else thanks to the need to preserve the SE way of life. Everything can and must be classified as "Undemocratic" for the government to maintain control. So that's a tough, what, eight front war?
Just hear me out. 1. In Lore, 50HDs took Cyberstan. If 50 regular humans could capture a capital world what can 1m do? 2. 4 HDs can take down multiple annihilator tanks, which probably scale to a Rogal Dorn or Baneblade tank. Which is honestly really impressive. 3. All HDs have orbital support or a third weapon and support equipment. Hypothetically, if a Beserker is charging down 4 HDs he’s gonna smack him in the face with a rail gun or auto cannon and one or two shot him. 4. There already titans in HD universe, the bile titan scales to existing Tyrannid titan class units in 40K. 2 shots with a spear, orbital rail guns, 500kg bombs, and orbital lasers take them down. Now imagine 10 HDs. There’s definitely enough orbital support there to bring down the strongest of titans. I think Super Earth would fair a bit better than what you are proposing. Not enough to win the game, but to have a slice of the pie, yes. Would be funny if they destroyed the Votann because I also hate them.
I think the tanks are closer to leman rauss scale if not a bit smaller. Rogal Dorn tanks are about as big as the apcs from the leaks and bane blades are really massive, probably more comparative to the automaton walkers without the legs and less thick. Still considering they can take down the gunships and walkers says a lot about helldivers.
I don’t think 50 HD would be able to take on an Imperial titan due to their insane weaponry and shielding but the 50 super destroyers that are gonna be with the HD will 100% be able to due massive damage to any titan
All of this assumes that helldiver's have access to orbital support, when we both know that 40k factions wouldn't just sit by and allow basically unarmed enemy ships to provide orbital support. You also aren't taking void shields on titans into account, which would hungrily eat 500kg bombs for breakfast. If that wasn't enough, helldiver's are hopelessly outnumbered. There are more guardsmen than the helldiver's have bullets and it's not even close. Also side note, what's your beef with Votann?
@@NathanielNerquaye-Tetteh-uz2nf Helldivers are Infiltration units, not frontlines. You all seem to forget that. Drop few squads near a city and have them reign hell in spyre next day
11:45 Worst thing the Tyranids could do is eat some terminids. As if that happened and they absorbed terminid genes, they would make oil when they die. However I don’t doubt we wouldn’t see terminid-shaped tyranids later down the line if that happens.
@@MinoTaurus205 Yes, but I don’t see any Tyranid equals to chargers from terminids, or bile spewers, or scavengers, hunters, shriekers, Warriors, hive guards, and brood commanders could be getting picky, And bio titans are basically bile spewer. Also the imperium would be FUCKED if they did make these.
I think they could take on the tau empire. The tau would have to direkt so many forces to the war, that some other faction like the imperium would just wipe them out
They can't The Imperium could wipe them but they choose not because that will need a high cost If you thinking about starting a great wars against Tau then you better prepared yourself for uninvited guest Because Orks would like to join you and Khorne daemons will appear out of nowhere to massacre your armies in melee combat It's not easy to wipe big faction in 40k because the God itself always do a little trolling
The emperor would do that right away they moment he discovers their FTL drive i mean it's master plan during the late great crusade was repurpose the webway soo that humanity could use it the moment he discovers the existence of a FTL drive that can go from end of the galaxy to the other in seconds and doesn't rely on the warp he's gonna scrap the human webway project and get his hands on super earth FTL drive at any cost
What im thinking though is if super earth can casually distribute super destroyers to carry just 6 helldivers each (1 which is the player and 5 reinforces) then i wonder wheather if super earth was given some time they could produce some much larger and more combat effective battleships.
The real question is does Super Earth get prep time. In the past Super Earth has shown that they are willing and able to incorporate more advanced technology into their military and Super Earth has advantages in FTL and precision munitions. If Super Earth could be given time and some samples of 40k tech then I think they could stand a chance. Now Super Earth will probably still get wiped but since they have a forward looking philosophy for R&D they will get stronger with time as they are able to improve on 40k’s tech while factions like the imperium continues to stagnant.
At this point it wouldn't much matter even as the automatons in full forces didn't make up for much after the surprise invasion, so even the marines will have their work cut out.
if you want to know how many helldivers there are, take every player death since launch, and add in the current amount of active helldivers. every player is living a in a canonical universe and we are writing the lore (lil bit of railroading from the Devs but still). this will give you the number of helldivers as every helldiver is INTENDED to be an individual. that’s why the voice is set to random as default.
And still, this is nothing compared to the Imperium army sizes, which exceed trillions of lives and a lot more. Entire helldivers struggles are just an average local crusade on the edge of the galaxy just an average monday for the imperium. Imperium has so many men that enemies run out of ammo faster than Imperium's men.
@@ThorinOakenshield343 Sure, but keep in mind that the Helldivers are only one branch of the SEAF. They're meant to be elite troops that go behind enemy lines and hit strategic targets; in and out in less than an hour. So, the whole of the SEAF is probably much more. Also, laser weapons in Helldivers have infinite ammo, so unless you have multiple infinities of guardsmen, prepare to get mowed down.
@quadratic7578 Until you realise that imperial guards are just a part of Astra Militarum and not including special forces such as thousands of adeptus astartes chapters, adeptus mechanicus skitariis, legio custodes, sisters of silence, assassins temples, thousands special regiments of imperial guards, adeptus titanicus, imperial knights, adepta sororitas and etc, etc, etc (and every faction. No. Every astartes chapters have their own ships, tactics, weapons, homeworlds and etc, etc, etc) P.S Compare the Imperium of Man and helldivers is like comparing the Roman Empire and carthage in punic wars.
While I know this video is 3 weeks old at this point, the second galactic war has claimed 209 million helldiver's lives. I suspect that reaching 1 billion lost helldivers by its end will not be a stretch. Additionally, recent missions have had us save frozen personnel on rockets very similar to the ones we as helldivers enter after basic training, which makes me believe that Super Earth has been stockpiling helldivers in cryopods between the first and second galactic wars. There could even be multiple new *Super Earths* with frozen governments, soldiers, and workers just slumbering in the event of a catastrophic loss in the war, though I have no confirmation of this. Given the unknown millions or billions of helldivers ready to sacrifice everything for democracy, I suspect that the amount and production capacity of super destroyers would be a more telling combat power estimate of the helldivers, with 500,000 FTL capable super destroyers being seen active at the same time. I am also interested in what the other SEAF (super earth armed forces) can do, since as a helldiver we only see the hardest hit areas where SEAF has already fallen, dares not go, or lacks the time to reach. I think Super Earth has both more resources and better chances than you are giving them, especially against orks, with the exception being tyranids because they have a lot more hive mind and a lot more dakka and a lot more orbital presence than terminids ever did. I also suspect that Super Earth would NOT be allied with the Imperium for any reason because just about everybody with any power is effectively a cyborg, with life extending implants and body replacements. Any political actions would quickly dissolve into a blood bath.
We don't see much of SEAF beyond them helping out with artillery bombardments, as Helldivers jump in deep behind enemy lines (even during planet defence events). Speculation that the battles you can see in the distance are regular SEAF forces engaging whatever threat is on the planet could be valid, though we might never truly know until some confirmation is given. I'd say they're similar to guardsmen, though if you take the speculation that "liberating" planets just means weakening enemy logistics and supply lines enough to SEAF effectively demolish them and reclaim the plane, they might be more competent than we think
@@CharaGonzalez-lt7yw the artillery is automated so even there we don't see it. What we know is that they are holding somewhere and helldivers are behind the lines destroying bases and everything so seaf can advance easilly which is why side missions should give us liberation points also. but yeah we are reducing our enemies forces for when seaf get in the place so they can hold it. We also nuke our enemies in which i believe are mass concentrations of enemies forces after they capture a position or after a failed seaf assault.
Here's one for you. Touhou vs 40k. It may not SEEM like a good for initially, but a few points in favor of it are Gensokyo being a hidden part of Earth and there being a pretty good chance Yukari could just straight up open warp rifts.
I think out of sheer scale and numbers they would lose. Plus who said the warp daemons spewing out wouldn’t also just kill Yukari and rip yukari to shreds.
@@dabbingraccoons6416 True. Though I was thinking more along the lines of "the Ultramarines 2nd company is now on some warp-corrupted planet and surrounded by chaos marines." Also I think they'd lose too, at least against the Imperium, but I could see some of them doing significant damage if they don't die immediately. Once spell card rules get thrown out, someone like Yukari or Sakuya is gonna be a huge problem due to how absurdly powerful their abilities are. I mean, being able to freeze time isn't something you can counter easily. Also, Gensokyo being located on Earth is working a lot in their favor as far as the Imperium goes, because that means exterminatus is off the table and anything from orbit is gonna be under a lot of scrutiny and hesitation.
Forgot to mention this but there's also a birdgirl that's entire thing is "nukes", several flat-out immortals, and probably more I'm forgetting. It lacks scale but holy shit is it busted when you look into the lore.
I like to think that if super earth kept quiet about the whole liberty thing, and just kept to worshiping humanity, they might possibly maybe get along with humanity of Warhammer
Also the only reason super earth isn’t obliterating every planet is because they want stuff from the planet and their knowledge that they can win without doing that now obviously the chances of winning a war with any faction wouldn’t go up by much but still the small size and large weapons on super destroyers could be used the swarm planets before anyone dies because only two people operate a super destroyer while the helldivers are away they still wouldn’t do all that great but it would give them some sort of chance
Idk super earth fleets would be helpless to any other fleet. If the imperium wanted to they could send a single battleship to exterminate every single planet under super earth control. I mean imperial ships are literally kilometers in length and many are capable of destroying entire planets.
@dabbinggraccoons6416 I feel like a group of 10 super destroyers could potentially take on an Imperial battle cruiser if they use their insane ftl tech to jump in front of the ship blast it with lasers rail cannons and 120 to 380mm cannons then jump out again they could take one out
FTL jump initiating to, the battle cruiser. *4 super destroyers appear above the battle cruiser, firing 24 salvos of 380mm, 24 salvos of 120mm, 4 railcannon shots, and 4 orbital lasers* FTL jump initiating to, the Super Earth system.
All. Macrocannon of an ordinary Imperium cruiser have a power of about a megaton, while the cruiser's shields can hold out under fire for a sufficient time.@@ironwolfsaber2739
the idea of Super Earth birthing a chaos god is just too good, I could just picture an Alfabusa skit where Uncle Sam just punches the shit out of Tzeench for being annoying.
just one? there is so much democracy and liberty simbols like lady liberty, uncle sam and others that super earth would birth at least 3 new chaos god.
To say that it’s better is a gross understatement, it’s better than quite literally everyone’s ftl in 40k as it takes SECONDS to cross the entire galaxy, that’s way faster than everyone else.
The only way I can see the suoer earth actually surviving 40k, is by bargining and playing it smart As a long time 40k fan, and a helldivers 2 player, i can say with a l o t of confidence that super earth isnt winning this fight. A helldiver is a highly trained soldier, but they are in the end still base humans carrying fairly conventional weaponry, which would be good agasint guardsmen and such, but only a select few weapons would be truly effective agasint even basic space marines, like the railgun and Quasar cannon for example, but as each of them take several seconds to charge, thats more then enough for a SM to evade and get to cover, and they could dodge too And as fun as it is to use, the patriot would get absolutely shit on by a dreadnought The only real advantages the helldivers have are much faster and safer FTL drives, far better intersteller communication, and more quickly delivered supports, and vastly more willing to adopt alien tech While as other comments have pointed out, yeah they'd be much faster in FTL then the imperium ships, but no super destroyer can go head to head with even with imperial vessels in actual combat. Sorry to say, but a super destroyer would get torn apart by groups of imperial strike air craft, super earth would perhaps be able to win battles, but anything drawn out and heated they'd lose
I love this video and agree with every point but the tau in the first game super earth declared war on the illuminate because of there advanced tech and there mastery over psychic powers out of fear of the illuminate eventually assimilating them I believe super earth would kill tau and eldar on sight because of that exact reason
"how dare you have superior technology, Die xeno!" -Super earth political stance. "How dare you be useful enough to farm your entire species. Die xeno!" "How dare you refuse to vote, to the mines with you, traitor!"
There are several things in play here. 1. Will they comply with the Imperium? If no, congrats, Super Earth gets virus bombed to the Warp and back. If yes, then 2. How would they fair against the galaxy? I could see Chaos having a field day, Helldivers shitting themselves at the Nercons, getting angry at the Eldear, fighting the Tau on relatively even footing, and the Tyranids being a complete death sentence. Sure, Helldivers are competent, extremely so, but they're not outcompeting the Hive Mind and its endless swarms and hordes. Also, melee-wise, don't really see Helldivers doing well against anything not human. Chaos marines, especially Angron's kids, would mop them into a paste if they make the distance. If they don't, then there's the problem that is anything psychic in nature. Helldivers aren't immune to having their insides set to 500 degrees C, and daemons are fucking hardy and can hold grugdes. The Death Guard cause them to rot just by walking by, Emperor Children [censored by order of the Inqusition] and are monster duelists, Thousand Sons are bullshit-level pyskers, Iron Warriors outclass Helldivers in every way, and the Black Legion is a mix of all that with daemons and daemon engines. Overall, Super Earth would be a welcome addition to the Imperium, but boy do they have to fight to stay there.
Just don't let Super Earth ever get their hands on a undetonated virus bomb, they'd likely reverse engineer drop one on every imperium planet without question after they determine the imperium cannot comply with them. The Virus effect are nothing hard labor can't undo over time to potential resourcable worlds and the SE navy and industrial might is probably big enough to get those bombs delivered to most worlds well before the news that the bomb got stolen.
I think people are vastly overestimating how the Helldivers would do against the Tyranids. First of all, they are not dumb animals that just run down their prey in swarms. They are a thinking hivemind. Their bioforms are so much more diverse and dangerous than anything they've faced so far, that Super Earth would be woefully preprepared for what they have to offer. For example: "Holy shit! Did that bug just shoot back at us with living ammunition?! OMG! WHY DO THEIR BIG BUGS ALSO HAVE BIG FUCK OFF GUNS?!?!" And what are they gonna do against licters? Gene Stealers? Psykers? Experts at killing bugs... Yes, of course. But Tyranids aren't just bugs. They are an extinction level threat. They would have to adapt and catch up to 40K tech long before they encountered these... Super Bugs... Before even entertaining the idea that they'd have a chance against them.
I think the main issue is, the helldivers are basically glorified targeting systems for the ship and eagles. The fact they can deal damage too is just a fantastic bonus. The ships deal he most devastation, and Super Earth encourages you to completely level every battlefield you're on (And its implied they are good at terraforming planets back to their previous states) so presuming they're on the attack against like... And IG outpost, they may do ok if the Helldiver ships can avoid contact with smart jumping, maybe even try and overwhelm a system defence force but any serious combat where they have no access to stratagems, they're basically Marines in the literal sense.
To be fair, the chief engineer says that each super destroyer has enough firepower to level a small moon, and they have hundreds of thousands of them. They could easily do significant damage to enemy factions and use that as a deterrent
I think you vastly underestimate the crew counts for a SESD, as you upgrade the ship with more modules more crew get added, atm I have almost all the upgrades including the Decmoracy officer, Ship Master, and Head Engineer (The NPCs you can talk to) the amount of visible crew milling around in different areas is 20. That isn't including the probably dozens of cryogen-frozen hell divers waiting to be deployed and also Egale 1 and Pelican 1 pilots. Also, there is an in-the-work SEAF Trooper Stragagim to call in regular army troops in 5 man-fire teams (they sort of look like a cross between guardsmen and Halo marines but with blue armor) so SESD would also have a couple squads of regular troops too. I also think Super-Earth would be able to resist Chaos in several ways. Considering SE citizens need to file a form to even have sex and the apparent regulation of entertainment Slanesh would have a hard time getting a foothold. Unlike the Imperium SE is much cleaner in general, from what we see of Super Earth itself and the colony outpost/habitats Nurgle would probably have a hard time finding squalor. Also due to how Gestapo like the citizens are, an existing lore example of a father turning his own son over to authorities for treason I feel like it any chaos influence would probably be easily snuffed out as the person being effected would get reported to their local democracy officer very quickly.
Space marines showing up to 4 helldivers only to be completely nuked from orbit with ten 500kgs fifteen orbital railcannons and 20 orbital lasers because the divers arent held back by videogame mechanics.
I love how everyone assumes that helldivers will have the same aerial support as in game. But... Guys with taking into consideration how weak their ships are if they stand still for more than 1 hour they're dead meat. And remember how fortified most 40k planets are. And even a Tyranid invasion is followed by overwhelming living fleets. They may be slow. But they're gonna overwhelm them with an unending tide of flesh and teeth, and space spore mines
@@ch3cksund3ad Except Tyranids are like the concept of space locust on Crack, Crystal Meth, Fentanyl and Kokodil and not dying from it but somehow turning into a fallout supermutant
They would REALLY have to rely on superior FTL. But they do have the proper ground weaponry, orbital support, and numbers to matter. The Automotons would be an even cooler match-up, especially since the latest events give us a better idea of the Automotons military might. My top match ups against 40k are / recommendations. 1. Coalition(Supreme commander) 2. Zentradi(Macross) 3. Gilgamesh and Balarant(Votoms) 4. Vajra(Macross) 5. Planet trade organization(DBZ) 6. Cybermen(Dr who)
The Helldivers are pretty similar to the Krieg in their mentalities. Also fanatical in similar, but different ways. Helldivers tend to increase morale, with their fanatical enthusiasm. Also the fact they are nuts and willing to die for the “cause”. The Automatons even think their nuts and they are robots 😂. The Krieg on the other hand, tend to reduce morale. Considering they literally will kill themselves to get an edge over their enemies, with no self perseverance. Which makes them fanatical and nuts in their own right 😂.
so first we really have to remember they are spec ops, in behind enemy lines, get the job done and gtfo. 4 man squad 20 man platoon are used for most missions so they are not deploying in mass of 1000-6000 divers. they are careful. Unless you get a wide-eyed rookie that is going to get themselves killed right away. If we're going with a fight. it would depend on the load out. the helldivers have weapons that can compare to the Imperial Guards weapons. Lasgun = Scythe, sickle Las Pistol = Dagger Bolters = Autocannon, Recoilless rifles and Railgun. bolter rounds can kill Space Marines (chaos or loyal) and just about everything else. Heavy Las = Quasar Cannon Recall the similarities in the enemies Helldivers fight. super tanks? yeah we fight those (Hate fighting them!). Dreadnoughts? we know how to kill them. Space marines would be a big challenge sure but they are not unkillable. Demons would depend on they type of demon but again with the right gear they can be delt with, heavy casualties sure but this is expected on every mission. Then if we're going to go with factions. I think the Imperium would try to get the Helldivers to join them, diplomacy is still a go to. Imperium going to war would be a reaction to bad diplomacy but if Bluebarry showed up i am convinced they'd see him as the avatar of Democracy. Any of the xeno factions I think, like the Imperium there would be the few oddball that turn away from Democracy to have more freedoms but the majority would stick with the Imperium seeing them as kin. The Orks would be met with the same fervor as any other Xeno-breed. the helldivers would have to learn how to deal with them after losing a few battles (this would apply to all factions they encounter.) The Nids would just be bugs to them. The Necrons would be smarter bots with scarier weapons but if the IG can fight them so can the Helldivers. The Eldar? Helldivers would do as well against them as the IG does maybe even better because they don't have a crazy commissar countering their field tactics. Tau? well it's not like the HellDivers don't have their own mobile suits and marksmanship is not just a skill the tau have. as for the humans fighting along side of the Tau i think the standard helldiver would consider them a traitor and would be put down like any other enemy. "They turned their backs on humanity kill them!" Titans and knights? well they just introduced those into the game as enemies for the helldivers and people have figured out how to kill them so... yeah I think the helldivers would ultimately have to join the Imperium or at least be allies with them. the Cog boys? Like Elixavibuddies2951 suggested I think they would make the helldivers very nervous.
Important to note 1 big assumption you made which was that in helldivers the gameplay and lore are different their not when you wipe out 300+ bots by yourself in lore that happened and you did it a single diver is only as strong as the player controlling aka their skill level can very from the dumbest mf this side of the super galaxy and literally gun Jesus has never missed a shot in their life
Helldivers *were* stationed on Super Earth originally and don't have good training but Super Earth only brought them in as the elite because they are replaceable
For people who are not aware, no the helldivers wouldn't, not even close, a single tyranid would be a massive issue, but necrons, orks, Eldar, and chaos would be worse for them then anything, the only factions they could stand with are the imperium and the tau because they might just be absorbed by them.
6:20 okay listen to me, could an arguement be made that democracy could become a chaos god? Because from my understanding a chaos god is formed when a belief or emotion grows wide spread throughout the galaxy, and because you didn’t really say how many planets super earth has, in theory could it be possible
Helldivers are the cleaned up version of Space Marines. And nothing will change my mind on that. They fight giants robots and bugs everyday. The warhmmer universe would be just another war. Also, they all work together, humanity is one. Warhammer is pretty split, and they will literally merc an entire planet of their own people, depending on the faction. I think i can easily say Helldivers would over power anything in Warhammer.
Honestly it’s very difficult to say how the helldivers would realistically stack up in 40k since helldovers lacks a lot of lore and it’s unclear how powerful each helldiver is. In game they are really powerful since the player needs to have fun (think of it like the space marine from the boltgun game who is more comparable to a costodes) I see many comments which claim that the helldivers would steamroll certain factions or win major battles and other comments which claim that a single space marine chapter would make short work of the whole faction.
Although each hell diver is skilled I cannot say that a hell diver could take a space marine in a 1v1. You need to remember how agile and fast a marine is who would only need 2 bolter shots to realistically take down a helldiver.
Basically I would like you guys to remember that there is a difference between in-game and in-lore strength. Obviously the hell divers in game can take on massive and powerful enemies (it’s because the player needs to have fun) but to claim that in-lore hell divers could make short works of a necron tomb world makes no senese.
Imagine it like the hunters from halo who can be easily killed in game and the hunters in the lore which are 1000x more dangerous.
But keep the comments coming i love reading all of your guys’ takes and opinions
The thing is the actions of players make the lore. So if they players are popping off then in lore so are the helldivers
Bro they can just FTL to holy Terra and use WMDs to destroy the planet thus destroying the protection of mankind and the Empire!
With how fast the game is evolving doing this video again in a year or two would likely be drastically different as to how long the helldiver's could hold out against the imperium
While I respect your opinion and won't try to change your mind I'm still going to point out that In 40k lore mortal humans like ciaphas cain can keep up with a world eater in a 1v1 and he would die instantly if he got hit once so if a helldiver needs two hits to kill they would be much better of than a commissar plus ceramite is only 3 times stronger than steel so a astartes breastplate is equivalent to 15 inches of steel which is better than most modern ship armor but not impossible for a helldiver to get through so a veteran of melevelon creek could reliably kill a astartes because there really good a killing heavily armored enemies that can kill them in one hit
@@bodenleezy1039 and what if super earth uses the WMDS on holy terra destroying the protection the the emperor??
Anyone who can travel FTL without having to use the Warp automatically has a chance of at least surviving.
+ Super Earth FTL is instantaneous alongside with instant transmission of DATA.
I just imagine them running loops around Imperium's navy.
Oh you mobilised Group Solar ? Would be a shame if we dissapeared and instantly started deploying across the galaxy
@@skaut_games7644 Jumps to the other end of the Great Rift just to spite them
Hell their FTL is so fast and Imperial communications are so slow and unreliable it would likely cause the Imperium to vastly overestimate their numbers because they'd practically be in multiple places at once compared to Warp travel
@@wasdwazd just imagine poor administratum adept / inquisitor trying to comprehand how could 360 fleets appear in orbit of every major planet across imperium in 360 days
@@skaut_games7644 Gonna have the Imperial Navy punching air when they jump out of system the instant they get target locked
@@wasdwazd imperial navy needs to enter warp beyond gravitational fields
Helldivers just jump into low orbit
Imagine destroyer appears in orbot. Deploys a planet cracker and dissapeares
There are advantage of super earth that can shift the balance.
1-the Galaxy web(insta info sharing)
2- the FTL jump(insta traveling from edge to edge).
3-adaptability (super earth can adapt at any situation by developing weapon for special occurance and they don't mind taking or developing alien tech )
4-they have stable system and control most of the galaxy(no cults no uprisings etc)
5- they have many soldiers (in 2 mounths they lost 200 millions elite troops and they have the capabilities to keep fighting and field more).
6-unlike the emperium they have better resources management
they also likely have much higher quality soldiers/citizens given the fact they've had a seemingly successful eugenics program for decades, and have a incredible surveillance apparatus to detect dissidents
Well they did have a uprising in the past which were the cyborgs which as far as we know are fucking obliterated or trapped
Imperium's standing lowest estimation of soldiers is 500 trillion
No Super Earth only has control of about 253 planets +, the Imperium has over a million planets
Adaptability: The Imperium constantly fight forces that bend reality, turning entire planets into giant bowls of soup and stars into black holes. Yet they still remain ontop
The Imperium has FAR greater resource management I hate when people say this. There are literally entire planets dedicated to just keeping tracks of records
@@psychicspideylogistics is shit in the imperium super earth is small enough that they beat the imperium due to being so small in size
@@psychicspidey Most of those 500 trillion are also being used elsewhere.
You got one thing wrong, In lore all Helldivers are seperate individuals, not clones. Recruited from every liberated/settled planet and cryogenically frozen and sent off to battle believing they're Heros (they are)
Also a Chaos God of democracy sounds absolutely hilarious
@@auxx1034The Emperor of Mankind watching in confusion as Slaanesh gets hit with a giant railgun and fucking dies
@@auxx1034 *_Battle Hymn of the Republic intensifies_*
@@auxx1034 *Managed democracy
ftfy
@auxx1034 will it look like George Washington?
The helldivers when they meet the adeptus mechanicus:ahh shit here we go again
Tempestuous sion are just the helldiver with tesla shield lasgun, so a frontal assault of tempestus boy,the kreeg afterwards to stagnate them until the space marine shows up
Infinite melevolon creek
Wait until they meet the Necrons
@@migrivp2672Recoilless to face.
The creek crawlers would be overjoyed
I would imagine the Guardmans reaction upon seeing the ancient baneblade just get immediately destroyed by a small looking droppod.
Sadly i doubt that's happening since the mobile fabrication boys don't go down in 1 pod. Tho the support weapons might tilt the scale.
And by support I mean the support weapons drop pod
@@eneram8846It gets destroyed by the drop pod
@@taylorledet3993 with what navy superiority? How would they drop the pod when they can’t win the navy battle
@@nothard6846 Nah they’d helldive
@@nothard6846That sounds like treason.
I think you underestimate Helldivers, what you do in game is canon for helldivers,soloing armies isnt unrealistic for them
Thats the main point of helldivers to solo armies.
@@hadyndiangi4315 Well, yes but actually no, Helldivers _have_ the capabilities to solo* armies, but they aren't meant for that, they're meant for deep insertions to eliminate or secure strategic assets like Bot Fabricators or Bile Titans etc etc. They are an elite peacekeeping force after all. ;)
*It's more like a squad that can face off an entire army, not a single guy.
@@alicorn3924 so speck ops
Helldivers are cool and stuff, but would be nothing in the universe if 40k. The tyranids are way more powerful than Helldivers bugs. Chaos could eliminate them instantly as a race.
They also suck at coordination and are not good on the defense. They would get turbofucked by the imperium
Uncle Sam elbow dropping Nurgle, giving a swirling to Tzeench, bitch slap Slaanesh and giving a German suplex to Khrone. That is the best mental image ever.
Someone should draw this lol
Oh this is funny as fuck if someone draws it
@@Observant1199 I think the closest thing that exists is Uncle Sam Vs Evil Naze Cyborg Superman?
the emperor would win slap tournament against uncle sam
There's not enough people in helldivers to create an entity strong enough to beat the chaos gods. Otherwise the big E would just win button it
Helldiver when they face necron : creek PTSD
Necrons would make Creek look like a Field trip.
@@GhoulBandit Could potentially orbital laser be able to damage them in some way ? Or perhaps plasma punisher even
@@skell6134 were talking about a robotic army that have been around since the beginning and they're well known of enslaving Gods to gain their power. Super Earth will be fucked if they won't make an alliance with the Imperium.
@@skell6134no there is no way they can fight nectons their fleet are just invincible and their weaponry too advanced
@@AgentK-im8ke Im not talking about killing a fucking fleet here bro
Im asking about killing a single necron soldier...
Without a properly defined Navy, Super Earth gets Super Colonized.
Why would they need a navy when they can use their FTL engines and use super earths supply of WMDs on holy terra to destroy the protection of the emperor thus destroying any need to fight a unified imperium!
Democracy shall be delivered to you in 8mm
how about a 20mm of the emperor's wrath
@@randomness4694 check your door.
i assure you that there's no Baneblade in front of it.
@@randomness4694 your gonna get something more explosive than a 500kg bomb
I think one of Super Earth's best advantage here is their willingness to adopt alien tech and create new tech.
Super Earth using Tau weapons could be absolutely terrifying. Even just with Imperium technology.
@@echothegecko2875 they would reverse engineer everything and get better of it
we have to remember that the humanity dose not like to get new technology for there stupid reasons
super earth on the other hand would accept new technology with open arms
and i am not saying helldivers would come out on top hell if that happens then guilliman is a heretic for me
@@echothegecko2875 Helldivers arent melee fighters regardless so Tau tech would definitely be very OP for them
@@skell6134not melee YET. Give the devs time to implement a good melee system and we’ll see
@@skell6134 I saw a fucking clip of a Helldiver fisticuffing an Automaton Hulk Flamer, admittedly it was the heatsinks that they were punching, but still.
a extremly im portant point to be made is, lore wise the iluminate are a extremly advanced species and super earth just took over their technoly, the tech exist, super earth has it, but IT ISNT necessary at the moment, helldivers are provided with just whats needed, not the best they have. thats why the armored mechs only got deployed once super earth noticed that the divers need a lot more firepower. so it would not take long for advanced weapons the start being deployed as the new enemys ahead are way stronger.
This is an extremely important point and one that makes lore sense too. The Super Earth government doesn’t want to over arm any of its ‘elite’ soldiers unless the threat calls for it, and they are both not against nor are they insufficient in backwards engineering high tech weapons and equipment that they reap off of their conquered foes to then gift to their army as they deem necessary.
This means that for every high tech enemy they face and (admittedly small chance) defeat they just get much more stronger for every foe they learn from.
@@rhett3185yeah, I read somewhere that they don't give the best in case of a helldivers rebellion. It makes sense as the helldivers are the elite autistic child of super earth. Maybe they have an even better force that we don't know.
helldiver at the Creek: “wait! thats not an automaton, thats a Space Marine!”
the other three, all queuing up a 500 kg bomb: “a what marine?”
😂😂
A terminator teleport in front of you, punch you in the face
A psyker blow up your brain before you can do anything
So space ship support. In this case, one shot of a novacannon shall shatter a planet.
And a deathstrike missile, a mastodon with void shield, a TITAN, a shadowsword, an Assassinorum,
Remember you are allowed to live because the emperor will it
*He swats away the 500kg like a fly*
"Correction: Thats a Custodes. Id tell you guys to run but it wouldn't make a difference"
@@Richard3rd665a terminator teleporting in front of you and punch you in the face
A raven guard already sniped you miles away
2:32 keep in mind that the Super Destroyers carry far more crew, and a lot of frozen helldivers too. We only interact with the bridge crew because we’re like top shelf soldiers
Also we didn't saw ship to ship combat since its not implemented (yet)
Maby un the future but is hard ti say if and how they would perform
@@fesco4752 well I’d say they have about the same as we have access to. With eagles and pelicans as support fightercraft
@@fesco4752 they do clearly have weapons so they might be fine
@fesco4752 Keep in mind that the average battle ship of Imperium has thousands of people inside it. They live and die in the belly of ships, they have whole generations changing inside ships. There are dozens of books where you can read the everyday life of the ordinary inhabitants of the lower compartments of imperial ships.
P.S if i remember correctly, the biggest ship type of imperim (Glorianas) had almost 100 thousands of crew inside it.
@@ThorinOakenshield343 100 thousands? pretty much a small helldivers operation of enemy numbers we'd win... joke aside yeah, but we don't know every info about super earth military force, we just only know about helldivers and remember that helldivers are milleniuns before 40k and people are already asking if they can take 40k because of the factions of 1 and 2, so maybe we can have some surprises. Honestly i think both would ally and the democratic officer and the inquisition would tell the stories about their forces with the democratic officer saying about how stupid and effective the helldivers are and the inquisition asking how they are winning.
The imperium rarely exterminates non-chaotic human groups. Mostly just subjugation, bringing them back into the fold.
Maybe in return for messing up the Tyrannids they’re given more autonomy like the mechanicus so they can still have there ‘democracy’
yep, and super-earth is both non-chaotic AND not under the thrall of any alien civilisation. It would be mostly a matter onf convincing them big-E is, in fact, democracy personified.
The one Caveat is that Super Earth may not tolerate any authority outside of its own, and may be dumb enough to declare that the imperium needs to be taken over.
Super Earth would be considered heretics regardless even if not Chaos because they dont believe in emperor of mankind
@@skell6134 by that logic, every lost human world the imperium finds would be. They have special fleets that are meant to bring such worlds into compliance, by force if necessary, and help them integrate (things like establishing the imperial cult and cult mechanicus, collecting information so the administration can assign a tithe, forming one government for the world/solar system to deal with the wider imperium though, etc).
@@dragonturtle2703 Still, persuading Super Earth to join imperium sounds quite unlikely to be honest
Thing is. Super Earth has a super BIG advantage. It’s FTL. They can canonically cross the galaxy in an instant, they are FASTER than literally everything in 40K. While it’s army’s would stand a good chance against most 40K ground forces. That being said their navy fucking sucks in every other way than FTL to everyone else. They could literally run from everyone and nobody would ever catch them.
I love this concept, I would say, the insant they are caught or slip up, they are gonna be vaporized
This yeah. The only ones who could keep up are the necrons. They could just hit Imperial and Tau worlds, then run off before reinforcements can arrive.
@@notjarek237 Thing is, they have instant communication and seemingly FTL sensors. They stand NO FUCKING CHANCE in a space fight, but they also stand an equally small chance of getting caught lmao
@@Biotear except Necrons are also millions of times slower than Super Earth ships, it's actually fucking hilarous
@@axza9590 It's like fighting eldar but they can jump faster than you can chase.
Let's put it this way, in Guilliman's government, Super Earth has two gigantic bargaining chips that they can leverage in order to transition cleanly and painlessly to protection under the wider Imperium.
1.) The Galactic Wide Web, using quantum particles that could bypass any requirement to use the Warp for immediate communication in an effectively instant timeframe.
2.) The Alcubierre Drive, which enables starships to arrive at any destination across the galaxy near-instantaneously.
These two together would serve as assets so ludicrously valuable to the Imperium of Man that Guilliman and Terra would handwave any ideological gaps in order to gain access (and the ideological gaps are nearly negligible because of the Democratic Council and the doublethink their propaganda machine could disseminate to the wider Super Earth Public).
The GWW and Alcubierre Drive, when mass-produced and distributed, would effectively be the Imperial Webway project come to fruition without any interference from the Warp. The Imperium starts shoring up all of its crumbling fronts, because now their policy of Layered Proportional Defense no longer brings overwhelming force to bear within months or years, it brings overwhelming force to bear within THE HOUR.
From that point on, anything short of a fully-fledged Hive Fleet or Black Crusade would have to be launched in order to gain any ground against the Imperium. Anything smaller-scale would be buried beneath Navy and Imperial Guard assets by the end of the day.
Allowing Super Earth to thrive under Terra's sphere of influence is an unimaginable bargain in comparison, and they'd quite happily become a heavily-contributing component of Humanity's war machine.
They wouldn't just survive the 40K galaxy if the right people see the potential of bringing them into the fold.
They'd be the Imperium's win-condition.
But then the next book comes out, Chaos somehow finds a way to negate their new jump drives, now its back to entropy and grim dark
@@electroeel148Painfully accurate.
They also have no Psychers and are so hopped up on being 18ish years old that Chaos has no power over them. Khorn is like "Those guys scare me, they set the planet on fire to fight the natural fire tornados... and it worked.".
those two things are probably why I think super earth would wipe the covenant. like yeah the covenant are stronger in space, but what good is that when a fleet 50,000 strong shows up to blast your fleet of maybe 100-1000. super earth would be able to react and mass fleets faster then the covenant could take them on.
@@electroeel148 not unless the Super President or whatever entity, represents the very idea of (Managaed) Democracy in the chaos realm, as others have said, imagine Uncle Sam boxing against all of the Chaos Gods because of the billions of people indoctrinated to believe in Managed Democracy, Liberty, and Freedom.
Hell Divers answers the question: "What if the Death Corps of Krieg wanted to create Space Marines with none of the tech or budget?"
💀💀💀
@@BucketHeadLoreyou forgot that Helldivers never die
@@scp-001thescarletkingthey’re just missing in action
@@tbomb69My ass is still stuck on reach send help
With better tech and a democratic budget
Damn people are so wrong about the Helldivers.
You think the CIS would survive? Then the Helldivers would kick *absolute ass*. The automatons would rip the CIS to shreds, and the Helldivers can beat the Automatons.
Lets put some numbers into perspective. We can assume the in-game events are relatively accurate, and 30.000 Super Destroyers with their Helldiver complement killing 100+ automatons per half hour (144.000.000 per day) plus their production capacity *can still lose the war*. This also puts a big doubt on the number of Helldivers mentioned here, as there’s more than a couple of million Helldivers dying on a single planet every few days, every day for highly contested planets. While currently unfrozen Helldivers might be that much, the total number available will be ludicrously big.
They can kill more Automatons per day than are deployed to places like Vraks and still lose a planet. Even if you scale it down and say “ah but automatons aren’t as tactically capable so they’d kill less of better factions” we could still assume 1.000.000 kills per day easily, for a lot less casualties.
Then tech: people seem to expect SE’s tech to not be that good. Yet this “low tech” can *tear off the limbs of a Rhino sized murder bug* . The fact that they can be compared to having a chance against Tyranid swarms already is a giant alarm bell saying “yo maybe they aren’t that low tech”. You might point to Super Destroyers but these are basically *insertion craft* . We know from the in-game snippets that the SEAF is tasked with building orbital defenses to slow down invasions of Automatons which can land enough troops that losing 144.000.000 per day plus production capacity isn’t enough to make them lose. We also know the SEAF can build networks to *gas entire planets* in the span of a month, in contested area’s. The Super Destroyers aren’t the mainstay of Super Earth, they are there just to do what is essentially a raid. I don’t know what the SEAF army has, but considering they can buss the SEAF around and build planetary wide defense measures and orbital defenses in a matter of weeks and designed to stop an onslaught of literally billions or Automatons or Terminids it can’t be small.
Then there is the method of deployment. Helldivers are rarely on the frontline, they attack the production, logistics, take out high value targets. Except that unlike 40K ships they can go from one star system and FTL directly into orbit of another planet, land their Helldivers, deal the damage and be gone in half an hour. With the extreme rarity of Space Marines they’ll likely rarely encounter them, and it’s likely the Helldivers will shut down the supply line of the Space Marines first before they actually encounter them. A logistics center like Vraks that supplies entire sectors would have Helldivers deployed into it before they even realize they should man the weapons and raise the shields. Forge Worlds would be assaulted on important area’s, likely a costly endeavor despite most of the enemies being whichever poor sods have to live and work there, servitors and whichever non-combattant Mechanicus personel with but a few Skitarii.
Agri worlds get gassed, logistics ruined, production gets killed or destroyed. Yes when Space Marines or the Astra Militarum deploys it’ll deal a lot of damage, but they all will be defeated off the battlefield.
Also lets put something straight: Helldivers wear full armor, a primary, secondary, a backpack with a LOT of extra ammo and a crew-served support weapon, then RUN and fire that puppy on the move. They can carry a full auto-canon and fire it, these guys would be the few who could take an Astartes Bolter and fire it without breaking their bones. These guys can take an armored Elephant slamming into them and get up to keep fighting. These are NOT your average humans.
The reason 40K might have a chance at keeping Super Earth down is purely the massive size.
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Lets remember too that in lore in the first galactic war helldivers took cybertan with only 50 helldivers(idk if it's true or not just Heard about it lol)
The fun thing about Helldrivers is how influential it's real-world players are to the lore of the game. Kinda like how every tabletop battle can represent a fight in the 41st millennium. Every time you play a mission in Helldivers 2 that has small but real impact to the story. As such the quality of the Helldivers themselves is represented by the players themselves.
The capabilities of individual Helldivers ranges from cringe noobs to battle-hardened one man armies who've made a science out of the efficiency of their loadouts. And you can bet your liber tea that the community could think up some optimal strats and loadouts against the various threats of 40K.
The same can be said in reverse sir. Tho Helldivers are more flexible. All 40k has enough brain to run some counters
Then an experienced 40K player can just use his brain to destroy the player helldivers…
Im just gonna leave *Malum Caedo* and _Shas'ui'T'au'Kais_ here.
@@makeytgreatagain6256the 40K player would whine that the indirect support of the helldiver is op
I'd love to see them fail against a necron World Engine that eats planets lol.
Technically all males are reserved forces because they all get a gun on 16th birthday so almost every citizen would fight
At age 8 they work there job also lol
They are basicaly Cadians! CADIA STANDS!!
All get gun at 16, not only dudes
@@renatoafonsomaiacarneiro950 Nah, a shotgun or something for one's 16th birthday barely even registers on the 'Murica scale compared to... everything else. Cadians are already well-trained conscripts by that age, they start with the basic weapons training as soon as the kids are old enough to understand.
@@skaut_games7644 Source?
People sleep on helldivers because the game doesn't take itself seriously, but helldivers are arguably more effective than tempestus scions.
They're like tempestus scions with better fire support. Definitely nothing to scoff at.
@@crowe6961 now imagine Space marines being able to call down fire support at any point or any location almost simultaneously. The imperium would destroy the xenos completely and utterly
......so is damn near everything else in the 40k universe 😂 sorry love the game to death but it's like a gaurd without the numbers or tanks sooooo... ya..... they got a decent navy bu against HIS most glorious navy....again not going cut the cake lol ❤
@@dt5205 don't be that guy. 40k is my first love, we are all aware helldivers could not solo the 40k universe. Go hug your Primaris and tell yourself everything will be okay. 🙄
@@MrCdog85 They can so long as they have orbital supremacy. Astartes strike cruisers and battle barges have strategic level weapons too spicy for squad level engagements, but can launch fighters/gunships to support boots on the ground.
In Helldivers anything that happens in-game is lore accurate, because that is how the story/lore of the universe is made. And just recently an order to kill 2 billion terminids had been completed in half a day, which could have been even faster, really. I think, a force so efficient should not be underestimated.
The biggest problem with trying to debate Super Earth in other Sci-Fi settings is the Helldivers are the only part of the Super Earth Armed Forced (SEAF) that we actually hear about. Trying to base the entire SEAF on just the Helldivers is like saying the entire US military is 700,000 green berets. The most we hear about ships other than the Super Destroyer, Eagle, and Pelican is a quote from one of the bridge crew "The average Helldiver mission costs almost as much as a Liberty Class cruiser." What is a Liberty Class cruiser? No idea. You're a Helldiver, and you Helldive. Airforce, navy, rank and file infantry isn't part of Helldiving, so it isn't talked about.
I also don't think that Super Earth is xenophobic. They're cartoonishly expansionist and hyper aggressive, but they also entered into a peace treaty with the Illuminate during Helldivers 1 (and broke the treaty when the Illuminate didn't want to share their planet busting weapons with the cartoonishly expansionist, hyper aggressive Super Earth.)
Super Earth also has warp drives that can travel from one end of the galaxy to the other in seconds and send information just as fast. Aside from the Imperium, who Super Earth has the best chance of entering peaceful negotiations with, any faction that tries to fight Super Earth would see hundreds of thousands of Super Destroyers warp into orbit, hurl bombs and lasers planet side, and then warp away. It also completely bypasses travelling the Warp, so the Eldar, Imperium, and Tau would be cheering for Managed Democracy just to get Alcubierre drives. Imagine the smile on Gulliman's face when he gets Super Earth Galactic Wide Web, can send orders across the Imperium, and get a response in seconds. Gulliman wants to go to a planet, and his personal Super Destroyer "Democracy by Any Other Name" has him planet side in minutes.
The Helldivers, I think, also have weapons that are close to or exceed the weapons that the Imperial Guard and even some Space Marine factions. For the bolter they have the Jar 5 Dominator and the Eruptor, which fire rocket propelled, explosive bullets. For the lasgun, the Helldivers have the Scythe and the Sickle, which fire a continuous beam and pulse lasers respectively. They can also call down shield generator backpacks, which should make them much more durable. This probably wouldn't help much in large scale battles like Imperial Guard firing blocks, or hundreds of thousands of orks charging, but Helldivers are sent behind enemy lines to target critical positions. The Helldivers aren't dangerous because they can form huge firing lines and spit lasers all day, they're dangerous because they landed behind you and you have less than an hour to stop them before they blow up all your stuff.
They're basically just Tempestus Scions with more accurate fire support. And the SEAF troops are basically the imperial Guard. And Super Earth has a massive overpopulation issue.
I could totally see the Imperium incorporating them into the Imperium with some autonomy like the Ultramar worlds.
That and also the helldivers have an insane advantage in basically being able to cross anywhere in the galaxy without warp stuff. And can communicate in a way that isn't affected by the warp.
They gonna keep beefing with the Mechanicus 😭🙏
@@theducklover2652 Of course, you're not truly part of the Imperium until you beef with a fellow Imperial organization at least once
Helldivers are like the elite Guardsmen, who are deployed like they're Space Marines, and are told to believe that they are like Space Marines......but are still like guardsmen-like in the end.
Don't forget all the space drugs. Light armor with stamina enhancer makes every helldiver into Usain Bolt with a 9 second breather in between sprints and stims are practically giving a 2-4 second deadpool moments.
Calling down a 500kg bomb on your position rather than be overrun is much more ballsy than almost any other SM I have seen
@@electroeel148 isn't that what Captain Boreal did? Or are we just going with that piece of crap game not being canon?
except they could level a space marine chapter
@@mrfigaloopierre9610 ummm.....how exactly?
Pretty sure an Avatar of democracy is just Liberty Prime.
Or optimes prime
Lady Liberty.
Automaton
Lady Liberty Prime
Too close to an automaton. I think Senator Armstrong would be their ideal manifestation of liberty
Nurgle fighting Uncle Sam in space is the single best mental image i have ever gotten from a warhammer video
If anything, than Super Earth would declare war upon Eldar, Tau and Votann, because of thier tech. They already declared war upon the illuminates in Helldivers 1, because they had develop some wmd... so Super Earth will also use the same propaganda on them.
And then they'd get flattened by a combined army of Wraithknights, Battlesuits, and Hearthguard all allying specifically to spite Super Earth.
@@LordCrate-du8zmsuper earth would very quickly wish for the days of the creek back
That's would be the worst choice they ever made
Eldars empire maybe dying
But they're still one of the strongest faction to fight
They would send Khaine and told him to annihilate their democracy like nothing
Tau and Votann in other hand
Would blast your head before you can even think what's just happened
Eagle of freedom one shots Khain fraud of war
They would probably just declare war on one of those
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Yeah, sure, Nurgle's fine, but the thought of Uncle Sam having a DBZ fight with Khorne is what dreams are made of.
“The forces of chaos are manifestations of tyranny, fascism, slavery, and poverty… all things that super earth will not allow to come to its citizens… but not without help, this is where you come in. Become a helldiver, defeat chaos, and bring liberty to the galaxy, become a helldiver, become a legend, become… a hero.” - super earth propaganda regarding the four ruinous powers,
the imperium watches in horror as super earths citizens become seemingly immune to chaos taint.
Thye may succumb to chaos themselves considering that even the most loyal of the imperium can if thet were put 8m the 40k universe also how will they deal with the daemons or the the choas god army
@@raemmelparker9012it's quite obvious. With 500 kilograms of pure democracy
@@wlodek7422 also if you think about it
Khorne: Facism(violence)
Nurgle: Poverty(dirty)
Tzteecth: Tyranny(Power)
Slanneesh: Slavery(shrex)
Isn't Super Earth, like, *all* of those things?
Honestly the best outcome is they survive long enough to have a tau moment and "liberate" a bunch of neglected Imperial worlds.
I disagree given enough time maybe say 100 years of other empires ignoring them super earth could end up clearing a good swath of the galaxy under managed democracy, especially if they don't target the imperium. their FTL tech and FTL communications alone are a game changer for that universe. the main issue is for them to build a fleet capable of standing against the Imperium and upgrading their weapons to be able to destroy/defeat their opponents but once they have the fleet even if its 1/10000th the size of the imperium's its enough since they can mass forces near instantly while the imperium is working with the warp where they might get a fleet within a week or two or have ships show up a millennium late or never at all.
like imagine the imperium showing up on a super earth world with a hundred ships only for 10,000 super earth ships to appear fully ready for battle and briefed within a few hours of you showing up.
@@speedy01247imo mobility in space in itself is deadly even if you only give Helldivers the ships shown and assume they have ship to ship weapons. (Which I mean come on they would)
Space is massive and a round fired from ship to ship isn't going to get there instantly. If you can literally just leave before it connects that's insanely accurate fleet retention. And you could pop into a sector do your first volly and dip before retaliation. Which is fucking dirty good in the 40k universe.
They would just bombard who they couldn't use a Helldivers to kill to death. Granted democracy is Human so they would probably get a trade agreement with the imperium after they realize having to fight a fleet that's fully FTL capable is fucking aids.
Helldiver Command: "Listen, we can *handle* the giant bugs - honestly, hypertoxic spores are kinda just old news. If you handle the freaky demon things spawning out of those energy buttholes, we'll handle the 'Nids. Sound good?"
Guilliman: "That is acceptable. We'll provide you with details on planets needing those xenos removed; I'm sure the Knights of Titan will be thrilled to have such resolute allies helping them root out the corrupting touch of the Warp."
I mean,Super Earth are just normal humans even if not originating from same place as Warhammer humanity
Bro, tyranids are not terminids. Terminids is just a cheap parody of Tyranids. Meanwhile, as a swarm of Terminids can be destroyed, and they do not cause much harm on the planet, a swarm of Tyranids will be very difficult to destroy even for a space marine and for an ordinary person even almost impossible. Tyranids are driven by a single overmind, it will take them seconds to coordinate on the battlefield, while the helldivers will understand how to fight the Tyranids, the Tyranids will have already developed tactics to completely destroy the humanity of the helldivers in a couple of seconds. Tyranid ships are also alive, they can literally devour an enemy ship. Secondly they are driven by eternal hunger, they don't just devour all life on the planet, they devour the entire planet including all biomass (Water, atmosphere, dirt, etc) as a result after their feast the planet turns into charred stone.
Honestly seeing the chaos manifestation of democracy according to super earth could easily be as entertaining as senator Armstrong in personality
imagine a being where to make it do anything everyone has to vote on it acting.
@@speedy01247 but it’s so down for a scrap that other chaos gods have to avoid them because if they just exist in their presence a fight is happening
Helldivers operate against the clock. the helldivers are super earth's organized hit and run force. I think they would definitely pose atleast a unique threat to the 40k verse. super destroyers are very maneuverable compared to the 40k verse in both ftl and orbit with the standard super destroyer only sticking around for about 30 minutes before getting the hell out of there when the standard imperial ship takes hours to reposition. A helldiver destroyer could accomplish multiple attacks before an enemy ship even gets within weapons range at that point the destroyer could just warp out. it would be like if the eldar had a webway portal right into your hive spire. as a fighting force the helldivers dont hold a candle to 40k's equivalents but what they do have shear fucking unpredictability, your average average imperial noble is gonna be a lot more carefull when he learns that the helldivers just fucking appeared in orbit and landed on the governors front porch and shot him
I'd say SEAF regular infantry may be equivalent to Guardsmen (no way to verify this, so take it with a big grain of salt), while Helldivers are more elite Guardsmen on crack designed and trained to deploy behind enemy lines, level everything with bombardment, even if they die. They may be expendable but the amount of damage they can cause is high
forgot to mention, all helldivers are named.
i close my case
so was horus, sanguinius, rogal dorn, ferus manus, and konrad kurze among many other named characters. In warhammer 40k having a name doesnt keep you alive, it just delays your death
@@tsgmatthew2975 Yeah
but not every Astartes has a name while EVERY SINGLE helldiver DOES have one, so its kinda rigged XD
Issue is named or not they have no plot armor and do die in droves
@@thorveim1174 If they will interact with Warhammer 40k then it means their rules gonna apply to them thus every single helldiver will automaticly get plot armor
Especially if they start taking off their helmets too
@@skell6134 “going over the statistics our soldiers effectiveness increases dramatically when they take off their helmets”
“What? That makes no sense”
“The numbers don’t lie sir”
Helldivers could be a nice elite Guardsman regiment with Super Earth being their homeworld
Emperor seen as Father of Democracy
now thats Something i can get Behind
Harakorni and Elysians would love to have some company
A friend's already converting a helldiver Imperial guard army. So far it's awesome.
@@skaut_games7644The Imperium isn’t even Democratic, which is funny
@@cadettrev762 planets can be
And with menaged democracy administratum won't see a difference between planetary nobles and elected officials
Space Marines: “We are humanities pinnacle. One of us worth an army of your Helldivers.”
Helldiver: “ha ha, 500kg bomb go boom.”
Other Helldiver: *holds trigger of auto cannon* “Bite me.”
Other Helldiver: “I’m fast as fuck boiii”
Other Helldiver: *Switches railgun to unsafe mode* “This is where the fun begins.”
While I do think you undersold the strength of the Helldivers and their weaponry, I cannot argue that they wouldn't get fucked due to having a weak navy. Super Earth would be an interesting faction due to how it would (for the most part) be at a disadvantage, however if it could survive the first few years it would rapidly grow in power due to the stolen tech and being of of only two factions to actually develop new tech.
I think you want to say firsc 2 decades. Cuz i doubt they can implement tech that radical that fast
I dunno. We are getting our own robots after fighting the bots for a few months now.
@@darthkai3621 the bots are evolved tech from cyborgs made from super earth tech. 40 k has a different tech base entirely
Uh Galaxywide dude, a super destroyer has enough firepower to vaporise a small moon and it’s not even an actually meant to fight other ships, that’s the job of Liberty class cruisers, which Super Earth would have an absurd amount of.
@@eneram8846 give super earth a century (totally plausible with how inefficient the imperium is and with the wonky warp screwing with flight times) and super earth would likely be able to play on the same battlefield with a massive advantage (cause even if their fleet is tiny by comparison they can mass it where its needed nearly instantly while other factions can't)
Hell Divers can move men and material faster because they have more reliable FTL travel . They also have better orbital support. Individual hell divers can literally request orbital support at any time whereas in 40k the navy and army don’t coordinate well and it’s a big bureaucratic mess to get any kind of orbital support. Super Earth’s ability to conduct war is so much more efficient than the Imperium’s it might not matter that he Imperium has a jillion men and super soldiers that spit acid.
"How many helldivers are there" dude just figure out how many people are playing the game lmao
"The tau have better tech they'd obliterate the helldivers"
looks at the Illuminate Sir please do your homework next time
If any allegience was made with the Tau or Imperium, Super Earth would be getting a good tech boost. (Give my helldiver a plasma incinerator or bolter please!)
Helldivers already have "bolter" the JAS gun from the Steeled Vateran warbond
That's the closest tech. And it still "human" sized. It's a one shot vs humans and does aoe with the rocketHEbullets. And yet.... lasguns is enough to kill humans.
Numbers, tech and skills are on WH40k side, like most times
You _really_ don't want a Helldiver with a 40k plasma gun. That's a waste of both a perfectly good gun and a great soldier, considering they probably wouldn't know about the... **ahem** heating problem.
@@LordCrate-du8zm the Space Marine only gets one overload chance, the helldiver only gets one overload chance, where's the problem?
@@notjarek237 The gun would fucking explode, and Space Marines can survive overcharging.
The thing about helldivers is that at first they get beat up and blown to bits, then they adapt.
Also they share the memories of their fallen comrade so it wouldn't take long to know their enemy's weaknesses to create new weapons and tactics to defeat them.
The same goes with Tyranids, but at a MUCH faster rate.
Share memories? Where do you have that from?
@@Flamme-Sanabithink its just to explain how that each time you die the next reinforcement aka you the player goes straight for the enemy wich killed you, but i dunno enough bout helldivers lore
@@oscarandreas1431 ain't lore yet as far as I am aware. Just a gameplay mechanic.
@@Flamme-Sanabi so its lore then because technically lore is gameplay
A Hell Diver can canonically complete a Hell Diver difficulty mission solo. This includes facing off against numerous tanks, mechs, walkers, giant bile titans and more. A This alone in my opinion would scale them in skill to that of an Astartes if not greater, as most space marines are thier most effective as a unit. The Super Earth destroyers give an. Extremely huge advantage to the hell divers as somehow every single troop has the equivalency of thier own orbital weapons platform feature numerous nukes, missles, orbital cannons, etc. These weapons should be capable of cracking open most of the standard imperium vehicles if not through strength than through sheer volume. Now naval to naval battles I believe the imperium has the advantage unless we are given more context, though the hell divers do maintain galactic levels of control, so take with that information what you will.
Given you get multiple lives in the game, isn't that technically a squad or two pulling the work? That being said it still puts the best Helldivers on the level of an Astartes.
@@RJALEXANDER777 not realy lore acurate space marine would make short work of heldivers. I mean lol they are normal human and space marine biologie supass far of human. All shootweapon of heldivers wont even pentrated normal space marine armor if i go with the strongest version in books(Varies bettween authors)and even then you forget space marine have way more combat experience from 100 of years of they Service. The only think which could do the Trick is maybe airstrike but in game it take time and given how fast Reflexe and speed of a space marine is in lore they can easily evade that.
@@RJALEXANDER777 That is assuming you die. There are no death runs of people accomplishing the higher level difficulties. Its kinda like Spartan ops in halo. Spartan crimson team never dies despite having respawns canonically. If a Hell Diver simply is efficient enough to accomplish these goals without dying then they are just that good. Ofcourse this would imply every hell diver is of that skill level which is not always likely but, you could take away that the most veteran and peak Hell Divers are of that caliber. So I assume that the skill range could go from newbies that might not survive an hour to extremely advanced and sophisticated soldiers that do the impossible.
@@alabz2148 The biggest issue with the adeptus astartes is that they are radically inconsistent in portrayal. We have cases of guys like Dante literally ripping apart a brood lord Tyranid with his bare hands and cases of spaces marines being killed by las gun fire that penetrated an eye ball. I can't recall the horus heresy novel but if I remember correctly there was a case of an astartes being killed by a normal spear being thrown through his eye(I personally think this is stupid but from what I'm aware eye shots are the one weakness of an astartes). Naturally in melee contest the astartes solos entirely. In a ranged battle the astartes definitely has the advantage in durability but I'd wager skill is roughly the same if only due to the fact we have seen space marines felled by guardsman, orks, Eldari and lesser warriors throughout the novels and table top. Physically and durability wise an astartes I think would probably be on par with an Autamoton hulk(since they are immune to all but the heaviest weapons in game). The biggest game change I think is the orbital weapons the Hell Diver can call down as well as the heavier weapons like the Quasar canon which should be able to pierce space marine ceramite since in 40k plasma and melta weapons have a similar effect.
@@majortughjedi9813 yeah i blame the multiple authors of gw making them unclear(different) in powerlevel in they books like they did to primarch making them as strong, durable and fast as a tall bulk space marine to making them as strong, durable and fast as comic book superman Version the mid tier to low tier powerlevel. We have stats given however what the speed, reaction time and strenght of space marine are. I always like to lean they power always in the strongest Version from the books suit better the Verse they are in.
Honestly? With a seemingly bottomless defense budget and a near limitless number of bodies to throw at a problem, Super Earth would be a pretty tough nut to crack
With the imperium sending their also near limitless number of bodies, the gaurd, or their entire galaxy sized war machine of production.. Or they'd exterminatus the 20 or so worlds the helldivers own
Lol a bunch of viral bombs like on Istvan III and super earth no more, just Necrons could annihilate super earth, regular humans with op equipment wouldnt stand a chance xD
Given their ideologically similatrties, like xenophobia, anti-ai sentiments and general human supremacism; the relationship between the Imperium and Super Earth would go quite smooth, their only real ideological difference is the religon but even then Super Earth doesn't seem to have an official state religion so I doubt the Super Council would care much about the imperial cult as longs as their power over Super Earth isn't put in jeopardy.
Lady liberty is suddenly a new chaos god
And then get fcked by Slaneesh
I'm sure they won't like something like that exist in their world
Just a God
either Lady Liberty or Uncle Sam.
For every 40k faction, I'd take the Orbital Railgun, Personal Shield Backpack, Eagle Airstrike and Quasar.
Take an armor with 50% chance to not die from lethal damage. Couple that with 20k players/destroyers at a given time at a planet.
I like democracy's odds.
Heh, my loadout is a 500kg with a nice clusterbomb with a dashing spear,and my favorite the gatling sentry., I got way better odds from a far then fighting upclose.
Eagle would have a high probability of being intercepted or harassed by ground-to-air assets. Like bots but with way more secondary support assets. Orbital barrage of some sort would be more reliable.
@@jasony8480 good point there, maybe a mortar turret might be a great option for democracy.
I think most people are forgetting the fact that unlike the Imperium in 40k Super Earth has been steadily expanding their technological advancement through BOTH games.
Super Earth not only has access to shields and ftl drives but they have the WMDs basically bombs that can destroy entire destroy worlds and they got that from the Illuminids so paired with their non warp using ftl drives technically they can throw WMDs onto holy terra destroying it, destroying the protection of the emperor and throwing the galaxy into chaos, this would be a victory to Super earth.
Good luck getting close enough to holy terra without having the living shit blasted out of you by orbital defense platforms.
To the last point, you are right about the destruction of Terra spelling the end for the Imperium...but it would also give a huge boost to all Chaos factions
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle I’m sorry to say but you can’t destroy the WMD that easily I think it’s more of a liquid form and I assume you don’t need to be near the planet to release it, and if it’s a bomb then load it onto your entire super earth fleet and fire them all at the planet, I’m sure even holy Terra cannot destroy more than a million super earth destroyers.
@@oldstyle5114 yes and the chaos would fight with the remaining Empire of man and the many other factions, giving super earth the time to build their strength and slowly democratize the galaxy!
@@instantcookedromancazk9557 only a million? A single orbital defense platform in 40k was able to defend against billions of tyranids hive ships and only got taken down when it ran out of ammo. Holy terra has more than a single orbital defense platform orbiting around it. The instant that ships appear in the sol system unauthorized they are getting ripped to shreds. Unless WMDs can be sent FTL by themselves, super earth has no way of glassing holy terra
Silly fun setting vs satire that became serious
Look, i am a massive 40k fan but you really underestimate the capabilities of Helldivers, they can call on massive orbital and airial support to deal with lower end titan size enemies, they have tons of armor penetrating weapons some being direct equivalent to 40k weapons like the Autocannon, it's a 1 to 1 to the autocannon operate by the Astra Militarum and it's an Astartes killing weapon when it hits, their railgun are 1 to 1 to Tau railgun with similar design suggesting similar technology at play.
The helldivers would be very effective in behind the lines operations against the Astra Militarum and would wreak armies of Tau, they are often facing several dozens of enemy mech looking like dreadnought supported by hundreds of foot soldiers and tanks. A few crisis battelsuits would be a joke to them.
Since at least a billion Helldivers have died in the game that means they have massive reserves of these elite fighters compared to the Atsates who only number in the hundred of thousands
Quick question: can you hit targets hundreds of kilometers away with the helldiver railguns? Because if not, they aren't as good as T'au railguns
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle maybe? We just don’t have the optics to do it and the maps are just too small for that
@@clementbianchini8651 the Tau do have the optics to do that, so you're fighting a losing battle against them already
For massive space support, it is necessary to maintain control over the space around the planet. Given that anti-space defense systems are quite common in the imperium, they can easily drag out a planetary war long enough for reinforcements to arrive, primarily the fleet. 99% of the power of Helldivers is support from orbit.
If you ever think a WH40k mech is hard to tank down for
helldivers, just remember, hellpods exist, and can deal heavy damage. Probably 3-4 hellpods can take out a WH40k mech. Not sure though.
i mean given what super earth has done in the past give them enough time in say, tau occupied space and theyd be able to steal and reverse engineer some pretty impressive tech. not to mention the sheer force of democracy being projected into the warp and becoming a chaos god
Its all fun and games until the Helldivers kill all the nids and start spreading nid spores all over the galaxy to secure their jobs
They can't
In fact they're the one who will get annihilate by Tyranids if they keep hunting these bugs
Tyranids definitely will adapt to fight theirs weapons and there's also a genestrealers
It would be like Octarius war
@@MinoTaurus205
Genestealers don't work against super earth. Not only is the propaganda indoctrination very effective, encouraging people to report others to the democracy officers for undemocratic behavior, sex is regulated.
Genestealers filling out their C-01s would get noticed, and if they didn't, they'd be reported for treason.
@@MinoTaurus205Let's be real, they would be spamming orbital strike and air strikes. It was said that the Bug Army was reduced 80% percent in the first war before the Helldiver are send to clean up the remaining bugs.
@@warhammer8867 Are you really think Tyranids just live in planet and stay there?
Tyranids is not just stupid bug that would wait you to strike them without any preparation
@@warhammer8867 Attack them from the orbit first only make Tyranids easier to detect and find their location
The helldivers are the players of the game so there numbers are almost infinite and tactics always improving so they will get their ass kicked at the start but become the top dogs in the end
The correct question is could warhammer 40K survive super earth.
Helldivers are Guardsmen who think they're Tempestus Scions, and perform like Kasarkin (being untrained, raw recruits).
They might not take a space marine solo, but they'll *try*, and that's probably the most dangerous part, because they don't consider or care that they'll come back. Combine with the extreme ordinance that SE supports each and every individual helldiver with, which each diver is entirely willing to call within a literal stone's throw. 40k monsters are tough, but I don't think many can handle 500kg bomb being sent directly to them specifically.
Divers are deployed in ways not dissimilar to Space Marines in terms of tactics and numbers per battlefield, and are extremely well equipped, having uniform equipment -- they have warpless FTL (within space they control) and each Destroyer can do what it pleases. They're like caltrops that move on their own.
They also have significant terraforming capability - in case of defeat, they literally just pack up and move Super Earth somewhere else. (And/or they might force citizens to cultivate supplies on inhospitable worlds.) Planets that are of no interest to anyone else might be worthwhile to Super Earth, giving them options.
We haven't seen the SE navy in action, but they can and do run orbital defence platforms, so they're not helpless in a naval battle. (Not to mention they might consider launching hellpods at enemy ships by just rolling over in space...)
Vs the 40k setting, I think they'll hold up a lot better than you give them credit for -- you're basically looking at a well equipped, borderline fanatical Cadia, except they don't divert their recruitment to other wars. And if Cadia beat back multiple black crusades while supporting half the imperium, Super Earth could take scalps, no sweat.
They are going up against the entire galaxy though - SE doctrine is incompatible with anything else thanks to the need to preserve the SE way of life. Everything can and must be classified as "Undemocratic" for the government to maintain control. So that's a tough, what, eight front war?
Just hear me out.
1. In Lore, 50HDs took Cyberstan. If 50 regular humans could capture a capital world what can 1m do?
2. 4 HDs can take down multiple annihilator tanks, which probably scale to a Rogal Dorn or Baneblade tank. Which is honestly really impressive.
3. All HDs have orbital support or a third weapon and support equipment. Hypothetically, if a Beserker is charging down 4 HDs he’s gonna smack him in the face with a rail gun or auto cannon and one or two shot him.
4. There already titans in HD universe, the bile titan scales to existing Tyrannid titan class units in 40K. 2 shots with a spear, orbital rail guns, 500kg bombs, and orbital lasers take them down. Now imagine 10 HDs. There’s definitely enough orbital support there to bring down the strongest of titans.
I think Super Earth would fair a bit better than what you are proposing. Not enough to win the game, but to have a slice of the pie, yes.
Would be funny if they destroyed the Votann because I also hate them.
I think the tanks are closer to leman rauss scale if not a bit smaller. Rogal Dorn tanks are about as big as the apcs from the leaks and bane blades are really massive, probably more comparative to the automaton walkers without the legs and less thick. Still considering they can take down the gunships and walkers says a lot about helldivers.
I don’t think 50 HD would be able to take on an Imperial titan due to their insane weaponry and shielding but the 50 super destroyers that are gonna be with the HD will 100% be able to due massive damage to any titan
All of this assumes that helldiver's have access to orbital support, when we both know that 40k factions wouldn't just sit by and allow basically unarmed enemy ships to provide orbital support. You also aren't taking void shields on titans into account, which would hungrily eat 500kg bombs for breakfast. If that wasn't enough, helldiver's are hopelessly outnumbered. There are more guardsmen than the helldiver's have bullets and it's not even close.
Also side note, what's your beef with Votann?
@@NathanielNerquaye-Tetteh-uz2nf Helldivers are Infiltration units, not frontlines. You all seem to forget that.
Drop few squads near a city and have them reign hell in spyre next day
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle Laser weapons in Helldivers have infinite ammo... I guess there are somehow multiple infinites of guardsmen in 40k?
11:45
Worst thing the Tyranids could do is eat some terminids. As if that happened and they absorbed terminid genes, they would make oil when they die. However I don’t doubt we wouldn’t see terminid-shaped tyranids later down the line if that happens.
Tyranids are 100x worse then the terminids. The moment one would spot you, it's over.
I don't think they need to eat them
Tyranids could make it by themselves
And it's probably just a month or weeks to create that
It means more oil to spill
@@MinoTaurus205 Yes, but I don’t see any Tyranid equals to chargers from terminids, or bile spewers, or scavengers, hunters, shriekers,
Warriors, hive guards, and brood commanders could be getting picky,
And bio titans are basically bile spewer.
Also the imperium would be FUCKED if they did make these.
I think they could take on the tau empire. The tau would have to direkt so many forces to the war, that some other faction like the imperium would just wipe them out
They can't
The Imperium could wipe them but they choose not because that will need a high cost
If you thinking about starting a great wars against Tau then you better prepared yourself for uninvited guest
Because Orks would like to join you and Khorne daemons will appear out of nowhere to massacre your armies in melee combat
It's not easy to wipe big faction in 40k because the God itself always do a little trolling
I think if the emperor or gulliman was back they would make them a vassal almost like Mars and the mechanicam
Probably
They'd be turned into a Guard regiment and enlisted
More like a protectorate.
The emperor would do that right away they moment he discovers their FTL drive i mean it's master plan during the late great crusade was repurpose the webway soo that humanity could use it the moment he discovers the existence of a FTL drive that can go from end of the galaxy to the other in seconds and doesn't rely on the warp he's gonna scrap the human webway project and get his hands on super earth FTL drive at any cost
@@dabbingraccoons6416 probably? Absolutely!! The Emperor is a God.
Halo's precursors prior to becoming the flood vs Warhammer 40k
Honestly i wanna see tge precursors fight the old ones thay would be cool
Also dark age of technology humans vs the forerunners
We don’t have a lot of lore but what we do know means they’d just be abusing 40K
that's literally what would happen in the old ones came back to 40k that's how much stronger the precursors are compared to what they have now
Precusors were essentially gods and it's debated on wether or not they let the forunners win
What im thinking though is if super earth can casually distribute super destroyers to carry just 6 helldivers each (1 which is the player and 5 reinforces) then i wonder wheather if super earth was given some time they could produce some much larger and more combat effective battleships.
I think lore wise they produced all Super Destroyers for this conflict alone. Sooo They can produce thousands of those in less than a year
The real question is does Super Earth get prep time. In the past Super Earth has shown that they are willing and able to incorporate more advanced technology into their military and Super Earth has advantages in FTL and precision munitions. If Super Earth could be given time and some samples of 40k tech then I think they could stand a chance. Now Super Earth will probably still get wiped but since they have a forward looking philosophy for R&D they will get stronger with time as they are able to improve on 40k’s tech while factions like the imperium continues to stagnant.
At this point it wouldn't much matter even as the automatons in full forces didn't make up for much after the surprise invasion, so even the marines will have their work cut out.
Too much time because their enemy ftl is at sloth pace compared to theirs
if you want to know how many helldivers there are, take every player death since launch, and add in the current amount of active helldivers. every player is living a in a canonical universe and we are writing the lore (lil bit of railroading from the Devs but still). this will give you the number of helldivers as every helldiver is INTENDED to be an individual. that’s why the voice is set to random as default.
And still, this is nothing compared to the Imperium army sizes, which exceed trillions of lives and a lot more. Entire helldivers struggles are just an average local crusade on the edge of the galaxy just an average monday for the imperium. Imperium has so many men that enemies run out of ammo faster than Imperium's men.
@@ThorinOakenshield343 Sure, but keep in mind that the Helldivers are only one branch of the SEAF. They're meant to be elite troops that go behind enemy lines and hit strategic targets; in and out in less than an hour. So, the whole of the SEAF is probably much more. Also, laser weapons in Helldivers have infinite ammo, so unless you have multiple infinities of guardsmen, prepare to get mowed down.
@ThorinOakenshield343 until you realize that hell divers are an elite corp and not the whole SEAF
@neozhao2376 "That go behind enemy lines" *laugh in assassin's temples, skitariis elite corps, imperial kasrkins, tempestus scions, catachan jungle fighters, raven guard astartes, alpha legion, minotaurs*
@quadratic7578 Until you realise that imperial guards are just a part of Astra Militarum and not including special forces such as thousands of adeptus astartes chapters, adeptus mechanicus skitariis, legio custodes, sisters of silence, assassins temples, thousands special regiments of imperial guards, adeptus titanicus, imperial knights, adepta sororitas and etc, etc, etc (and every faction. No. Every astartes chapters have their own ships, tactics, weapons, homeworlds and etc, etc, etc)
P.S Compare the Imperium of Man and helldivers is like comparing the Roman Empire and carthage in punic wars.
While I know this video is 3 weeks old at this point, the second galactic war has claimed 209 million helldiver's lives. I suspect that reaching 1 billion lost helldivers by its end will not be a stretch. Additionally, recent missions have had us save frozen personnel on rockets very similar to the ones we as helldivers enter after basic training, which makes me believe that Super Earth has been stockpiling helldivers in cryopods between the first and second galactic wars. There could even be multiple new *Super Earths* with frozen governments, soldiers, and workers just slumbering in the event of a catastrophic loss in the war, though I have no confirmation of this.
Given the unknown millions or billions of helldivers ready to sacrifice everything for democracy, I suspect that the amount and production capacity of super destroyers would be a more telling combat power estimate of the helldivers, with 500,000 FTL capable super destroyers being seen active at the same time.
I am also interested in what the other SEAF (super earth armed forces) can do, since as a helldiver we only see the hardest hit areas where SEAF has already fallen, dares not go, or lacks the time to reach.
I think Super Earth has both more resources and better chances than you are giving them, especially against orks, with the exception being tyranids because they have a lot more hive mind and a lot more dakka and a lot more orbital presence than terminids ever did. I also suspect that Super Earth would NOT be allied with the Imperium for any reason because just about everybody with any power is effectively a cyborg, with life extending implants and body replacements. Any political actions would quickly dissolve into a blood bath.
We don't see much of SEAF beyond them helping out with artillery bombardments, as Helldivers jump in deep behind enemy lines (even during planet defence events). Speculation that the battles you can see in the distance are regular SEAF forces engaging whatever threat is on the planet could be valid, though we might never truly know until some confirmation is given.
I'd say they're similar to guardsmen, though if you take the speculation that "liberating" planets just means weakening enemy logistics and supply lines enough to SEAF effectively demolish them and reclaim the plane, they might be more competent than we think
@@CharaGonzalez-lt7yw the artillery is automated so even there we don't see it. What we know is that they are holding somewhere and helldivers are behind the lines destroying bases and everything so seaf can advance easilly which is why side missions should give us liberation points also. but yeah we are reducing our enemies forces for when seaf get in the place so they can hold it. We also nuke our enemies in which i believe are mass concentrations of enemies forces after they capture a position or after a failed seaf assault.
Considering how Holy Terra is barely hanging in there at a number of occasions, I'd say...more than likely not.
Here's one for you. Touhou vs 40k. It may not SEEM like a good for initially, but a few points in favor of it are Gensokyo being a hidden part of Earth and there being a pretty good chance Yukari could just straight up open warp rifts.
I think out of sheer scale and numbers they would lose. Plus who said the warp daemons spewing out wouldn’t also just kill Yukari and rip yukari to shreds.
@@dabbingraccoons6416 True. Though I was thinking more along the lines of "the Ultramarines 2nd company is now on some warp-corrupted planet and surrounded by chaos marines."
Also I think they'd lose too, at least against the Imperium, but I could see some of them doing significant damage if they don't die immediately.
Once spell card rules get thrown out, someone like Yukari or Sakuya is gonna be a huge problem due to how absurdly powerful their abilities are. I mean, being able to freeze time isn't something you can counter easily.
Also, Gensokyo being located on Earth is working a lot in their favor as far as the Imperium goes, because that means exterminatus is off the table and anything from orbit is gonna be under a lot of scrutiny and hesitation.
Forgot to mention this but there's also a birdgirl that's entire thing is "nukes", several flat-out immortals, and probably more I'm forgetting. It lacks scale but holy shit is it busted when you look into the lore.
@@BiotearWe love the bird who shoots HUNDREDS of RED DWARF SUNS out of her hand!
Lunarians stomp
I like to think that if super earth kept quiet about the whole liberty thing, and just kept to worshiping humanity, they might possibly maybe get along with humanity of Warhammer
Helldivers win, they are on The Right Side of History.
Also the only reason super earth isn’t obliterating every planet is because they want stuff from the planet and their knowledge that they can win without doing that now obviously the chances of winning a war with any faction wouldn’t go up by much but still the small size and large weapons on super destroyers could be used the swarm planets before anyone dies because only two people operate a super destroyer while the helldivers are away they still wouldn’t do all that great but it would give them some sort of chance
Idk super earth fleets would be helpless to any other fleet. If the imperium wanted to they could send a single battleship to exterminate every single planet under super earth control. I mean imperial ships are literally kilometers in length and many are capable of destroying entire planets.
@dabbinggraccoons6416 I feel like a group of 10 super destroyers could potentially take on an Imperial battle cruiser if they use their insane ftl tech to jump in front of the ship blast it with lasers rail cannons and 120 to 380mm cannons then jump out again they could take one out
FTL jump initiating to, the battle cruiser. *4 super destroyers appear above the battle cruiser, firing 24 salvos of 380mm, 24 salvos of 120mm, 4 railcannon shots, and 4 orbital lasers* FTL jump initiating to, the Super Earth system.
@@dabbingraccoons6416 how many super destroyer sized near light to FTL speed kinetic HE missiles can these battleships survive?
All. Macrocannon of an ordinary Imperium cruiser have a power of about a megaton, while the cruiser's shields can hold out under fire for a sufficient time.@@ironwolfsaber2739
The Creek looks like a vacation spot compared to the horrors of the 40k universe.
the idea of Super Earth birthing a chaos god is just too good, I could just picture an Alfabusa skit where Uncle Sam just punches the shit out of Tzeench for being annoying.
just one? there is so much democracy and liberty simbols like lady liberty, uncle sam and others that super earth would birth at least 3 new chaos god.
I’d say that the helldivers ftl are faster and safer than the imperiam of man
but they need to kill space bugs for it to work
@@BucketHeadLorebetter than having to go through demon front yard
thats true@@traveler4653
@@BucketHeadLorefarming bugs vs risking your soul and getting lost in time and space, il take the bugs anyday
To say that it’s better is a gross understatement, it’s better than quite literally everyone’s ftl in 40k as it takes SECONDS to cross the entire galaxy, that’s way faster than everyone else.
The only way I can see the suoer earth actually surviving 40k, is by bargining and playing it smart
As a long time 40k fan, and a helldivers 2 player, i can say with a l o t of confidence that super earth isnt winning this fight.
A helldiver is a highly trained soldier, but they are in the end still base humans carrying fairly conventional weaponry, which would be good agasint guardsmen and such, but only a select few weapons would be truly effective agasint even basic space marines, like the railgun and Quasar cannon for example, but as each of them take several seconds to charge, thats more then enough for a SM to evade and get to cover, and they could dodge too
And as fun as it is to use, the patriot would get absolutely shit on by a dreadnought
The only real advantages the helldivers have are much faster and safer FTL drives, far better intersteller communication, and more quickly delivered supports, and vastly more willing to adopt alien tech
While as other comments have pointed out, yeah they'd be much faster in FTL then the imperium ships, but no super destroyer can go head to head with even with imperial vessels in actual combat.
Sorry to say, but a super destroyer would get torn apart by groups of imperial strike air craft, super earth would perhaps be able to win battles, but anything drawn out and heated they'd lose
Luckily for us John helldiver has appeared
Considering more advanced societies/empires fell and continue to fall to the might of the Imperium... Super Earth is super screwed.
I love this video and agree with every point but the tau in the first game super earth declared war on the illuminate because of there advanced tech and there mastery over psychic powers out of fear of the illuminate eventually assimilating them I believe super earth would kill tau and eldar on sight because of that exact reason
"how dare you have superior technology, Die xeno!"
-Super earth political stance.
"How dare you be useful enough to farm your entire species. Die xeno!"
"How dare you refuse to vote, to the mines with you, traitor!"
I'm glad someone said it
Eldar would be less likely to get squashed by SE due to non traditional logistics line and presence on the map.
LOL the helldivers convince the Orcs that democracy is Unstoppable say goodbye to every other faction in the 40K universe😂
The imperium can consider itself lucky if Super Earth leaves fake Terra after 5 years of democratication.
There are several things in play here. 1. Will they comply with the Imperium? If no, congrats, Super Earth gets virus bombed to the Warp and back. If yes, then 2. How would they fair against the galaxy?
I could see Chaos having a field day, Helldivers shitting themselves at the Nercons, getting angry at the Eldear, fighting the Tau on relatively even footing, and the Tyranids being a complete death sentence. Sure, Helldivers are competent, extremely so, but they're not outcompeting the Hive Mind and its endless swarms and hordes.
Also, melee-wise, don't really see Helldivers doing well against anything not human. Chaos marines, especially Angron's kids, would mop them into a paste if they make the distance. If they don't, then there's the problem that is anything psychic in nature. Helldivers aren't immune to having their insides set to 500 degrees C, and daemons are fucking hardy and can hold grugdes.
The Death Guard cause them to rot just by walking by, Emperor Children [censored by order of the Inqusition] and are monster duelists, Thousand Sons are bullshit-level pyskers, Iron Warriors outclass Helldivers in every way, and the Black Legion is a mix of all that with daemons and daemon engines.
Overall, Super Earth would be a welcome addition to the Imperium, but boy do they have to fight to stay there.
Just don't let Super Earth ever get their hands on a undetonated virus bomb, they'd likely reverse engineer drop one on every imperium planet without question after they determine the imperium cannot comply with them. The Virus effect are nothing hard labor can't undo over time to potential resourcable worlds and the SE navy and industrial might is probably big enough to get those bombs delivered to most worlds well before the news that the bomb got stolen.
I think people are vastly overestimating how the Helldivers would do against the Tyranids.
First of all, they are not dumb animals that just run down their prey in swarms. They are a thinking hivemind. Their bioforms are so much more diverse and dangerous than anything they've faced so far, that Super Earth would be woefully preprepared for what they have to offer. For example:
"Holy shit! Did that bug just shoot back at us with living ammunition?! OMG! WHY DO THEIR BIG BUGS ALSO HAVE BIG FUCK OFF GUNS?!?!"
And what are they gonna do against licters? Gene Stealers? Psykers?
Experts at killing bugs... Yes, of course. But Tyranids aren't just bugs. They are an extinction level threat. They would have to adapt and catch up to 40K tech long before they encountered these... Super Bugs... Before even entertaining the idea that they'd have a chance against them.
Just another Illuminate but shaped like bugs, literally nothing new for the Helldivers.
@@commanderblargh6300 I guess. I wouldn't know. Haven't fought them yet. Pretty excited about the new faction tho!
I think the main issue is, the helldivers are basically glorified targeting systems for the ship and eagles. The fact they can deal damage too is just a fantastic bonus. The ships deal he most devastation, and Super Earth encourages you to completely level every battlefield you're on (And its implied they are good at terraforming planets back to their previous states) so presuming they're on the attack against like... And IG outpost, they may do ok if the Helldiver ships can avoid contact with smart jumping, maybe even try and overwhelm a system defence force but any serious combat where they have no access to stratagems, they're basically Marines in the literal sense.
To be fair, the chief engineer says that each super destroyer has enough firepower to level a small moon, and they have hundreds of thousands of them. They could easily do significant damage to enemy factions and use that as a deterrent
I think you vastly underestimate the crew counts for a SESD, as you upgrade the ship with more modules more crew get added, atm I have almost all the upgrades including the Decmoracy officer, Ship Master, and Head Engineer (The NPCs you can talk to) the amount of visible crew milling around in different areas is 20. That isn't including the probably dozens of cryogen-frozen hell divers waiting to be deployed and also Egale 1 and Pelican 1 pilots. Also, there is an in-the-work SEAF Trooper Stragagim to call in regular army troops in 5 man-fire teams (they sort of look like a cross between guardsmen and Halo marines but with blue armor) so SESD would also have a couple squads of regular troops too.
I also think Super-Earth would be able to resist Chaos in several ways. Considering SE citizens need to file a form to even have sex and the apparent regulation of entertainment Slanesh would have a hard time getting a foothold. Unlike the Imperium SE is much cleaner in general, from what we see of Super Earth itself and the colony outpost/habitats Nurgle would probably have a hard time finding squalor. Also due to how Gestapo like the citizens are, an existing lore example of a father turning his own son over to authorities for treason I feel like it any chaos influence would probably be easily snuffed out as the person being effected would get reported to their local democracy officer very quickly.
I mean both settings are heavily inspired by Starship Troopers, 40k just has a bit of Dune-by-way-of-Star-Wars in it as well.
Space marines showing up to 4 helldivers only to be completely nuked from orbit with ten 500kgs fifteen orbital railcannons and 20 orbital lasers because the divers arent held back by videogame mechanics.
You talk like they're stupid enough to do that
I love how everyone assumes that helldivers will have the same aerial support as in game. But... Guys with taking into consideration how weak their ships are if they stand still for more than 1 hour they're dead meat. And remember how fortified most 40k planets are. And even a Tyranid invasion is followed by overwhelming living fleets. They may be slow. But they're gonna overwhelm them with an unending tide of flesh and teeth, and space spore mines
One word, Terminids. They're just more bugs.
@@ch3cksund3ad Except Tyranids are like the concept of space locust on Crack, Crystal Meth, Fentanyl and Kokodil and not dying from it but somehow turning into a fallout supermutant
@@ch3cksund3ad The zoanthrope would like a word. And the hive tyrant. And the Hive Mind as a whole.
Tyranids is the apex predator
It's just matter of time before they eat you and your planets just because they're hungry
That’s the thing, if we take the mission timers as how long a mission is the helldivers only drop in for around 40 minutes max
They would REALLY have to rely on superior FTL. But they do have the proper ground weaponry, orbital support, and numbers to matter. The Automotons would be an even cooler match-up, especially since the latest events give us a better idea of the Automotons military might.
My top match ups against 40k are / recommendations.
1. Coalition(Supreme commander)
2. Zentradi(Macross)
3. Gilgamesh and Balarant(Votoms)
4. Vajra(Macross)
5. Planet trade organization(DBZ)
6. Cybermen(Dr who)
The Helldivers are pretty similar to the Krieg in their mentalities. Also fanatical in similar, but different ways.
Helldivers tend to increase morale, with their fanatical enthusiasm. Also the fact they are nuts and willing to die for the “cause”. The Automatons even think their nuts and they are robots 😂.
The Krieg on the other hand, tend to reduce morale. Considering they literally will kill themselves to get an edge over their enemies, with no self perseverance. Which makes them fanatical and nuts in their own right 😂.
so first we really have to remember they are spec ops, in behind enemy lines, get the job done and gtfo. 4 man squad 20 man platoon are used for most missions so they are not deploying in mass of 1000-6000 divers. they are careful. Unless you get a wide-eyed rookie that is going to get themselves killed right away.
If we're going with a fight. it would depend on the load out. the helldivers have weapons that can compare to the Imperial Guards weapons.
Lasgun = Scythe, sickle
Las Pistol = Dagger
Bolters = Autocannon, Recoilless rifles and Railgun. bolter rounds can kill Space Marines (chaos or loyal) and just about everything else.
Heavy Las = Quasar Cannon
Recall the similarities in the enemies Helldivers fight. super tanks? yeah we fight those (Hate fighting them!). Dreadnoughts? we know how to kill them.
Space marines would be a big challenge sure but they are not unkillable.
Demons would depend on they type of demon but again with the right gear they can be delt with, heavy casualties sure but this is expected on every mission.
Then if we're going to go with factions. I think the Imperium would try to get the Helldivers to join them, diplomacy is still a go to. Imperium going to war would be a reaction to bad diplomacy but if Bluebarry showed up i am convinced they'd see him as the avatar of Democracy.
Any of the xeno factions I think, like the Imperium there would be the few oddball that turn away from Democracy to have more freedoms but the majority would stick with the Imperium seeing them as kin.
The Orks would be met with the same fervor as any other Xeno-breed. the helldivers would have to learn how to deal with them after losing a few battles (this would apply to all factions they encounter.)
The Nids would just be bugs to them.
The Necrons would be smarter bots with scarier weapons but if the IG can fight them so can the Helldivers.
The Eldar? Helldivers would do as well against them as the IG does maybe even better because they don't have a crazy commissar countering their field tactics.
Tau? well it's not like the HellDivers don't have their own mobile suits and marksmanship is not just a skill the tau have. as for the humans fighting along side of the Tau i think the standard helldiver would consider them a traitor and would be put down like any other enemy. "They turned their backs on humanity kill them!"
Titans and knights? well they just introduced those into the game as enemies for the helldivers and people have figured out how to kill them so... yeah I think the helldivers would ultimately have to join the Imperium or at least be allies with them.
the Cog boys? Like Elixavibuddies2951 suggested I think they would make the helldivers very nervous.
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Oh god not the 500kg
Lol
Important to note 1 big assumption you made which was that in helldivers the gameplay and lore are different their not when you wipe out 300+ bots by yourself in lore that happened and you did it a single diver is only as strong as the player controlling aka their skill level can very from the dumbest mf this side of the super galaxy and literally gun Jesus has never missed a shot in their life
Time to bring LIBER-TEA to the Imperium!
or better yet, WITH the imperium
This kinda makes me want to write a helldivers codex for Warhammer now
Helldivers *were* stationed on Super Earth originally and don't have good training but Super Earth only brought them in as the elite because they are replaceable
For people who are not aware, no the helldivers wouldn't, not even close, a single tyranid would be a massive issue, but necrons, orks, Eldar, and chaos would be worse for them then anything, the only factions they could stand with are the imperium and the tau because they might just be absorbed by them.
6:20 okay listen to me, could an arguement be made that democracy could become a chaos god? Because from my understanding a chaos god is formed when a belief or emotion grows wide spread throughout the galaxy, and because you didn’t really say how many planets super earth has, in theory could it be possible
Helldivers are the cleaned up version of Space Marines. And nothing will change my mind on that.
They fight giants robots and bugs everyday. The warhmmer universe would be just another war.
Also, they all work together, humanity is one.
Warhammer is pretty split, and they will literally merc an entire planet of their own people, depending on the faction.
I think i can easily say Helldivers would over power anything in Warhammer.
I can totally see the super earth faction inadvertently creating some kind of democracy deity
In size and Population super earth would be Bagger then the Imperium because super earth already rules a entire galaxy