I rewatch your videos so often. The more experience I get with teching and the more I learn, the more I'm able to pick up little lessons from these videos. Quite awesome. Thanks for putting these out.
>Why are people still buying VFC? If you price your product high, put out some expensive marketing for it, and doll it up with trades, you can give out the illusion you're buying into a high-end product to people who don't know any better. *Cough*Novritsch*Cough*
I felt the entire length of the video in the bottom of my heart. I've been fighting with a vfc 417 since march 20th and have done lots of things to it. And the worst part of the entire build it's been,with no doubt,that fucking "416 style" pistol grip. The lid on the bottom of the grip it's so fucking thick,that it pushes the motor and also de the wiring so deep inside the pistol grip,that you have no room to adjust it with the adjustment screw. You have to grind the hell out of it for the motor to fit properly inside the grip,and allowing the cables to rest nicely inside. So I recommend you try to grind the inside part of the bottom lid and try to fit the motor in the grip. Nice video,love watching these mate!
I've been fighting with a Classic Army G3. It came to me with a broken piston and I gutted a Classic Army Sportline 416 gearbox for it's piston. The sportline had shitty plastic bushing yet worked so I figured it was best to just part it out to fix the G3, plus the SL gearbox had issues with low fps, either worn spring or seal?. ANYWAY. I reassembled the G3 gearbox (A standard line with brass bushings out of a nice full metal SAR Officer.) It seemed to go back together fairly well. There were no shims to worry about getting back in place, and everything seemed to spin and move freely before closing the shell. When I put it back in the gun it would only turn over a little then jam up. I'd pull the motor and drop the antireverse to let it go back to fully decompressed and it would still do the same thing. Multiple batteries, fully charged. So I don't think it's a power issue. I've heard of this happening with guns left partially cocked but never with a fully decompressed one.
motor assembly: put an allen key through the allen hex bolt hole and push the motor down while sliding the cap on the grip. harder to say than doing it yes this rifle is a PITA.
E&C are the go-to platform in my country. Reliable, cheap, good externals, universal internal and external parts, and a lot of variety you can choose from. Great video by the way bitter truth is always better than a sweet lie because in the end people are paying for these.
You can actually do the flat hop bucking mod and leave the guide in place but you have to make sure you shave the contact nub off perfectly/almost perfectly, i used my expensive craft knives and a magnifying glass and it works an absolute treat, also with an S hop patch.
Had this same issue last week with a ggv2 series 2 and a pts grip . If the shimming was correct the motor would not work. Dam thing was at a hard angle and deep as hell . Changed grip everything 100% w.t.a.f
How are the ICS M4's now-a-days? Thinking about restarting airsoft, once the world isn't on fire, and was thinking ICS M4 Sportline (i don't like the idea of built in smart triggers or mosfets that can't easily be replaced by a non-tech), is the split gearbox easier to maintain? is the safe position spring decocker... a problem?, if the sportline has one, does the decocker interfere with a warfet in anyway?
they're not terrible, but not great. i think this guy would point you towards a G&G CM (aka combat machine) model unless you've got some experience working on a gearbox. In that case, go for a specna arms or e&c (same manufacturer). If you're willing to spend another $100, you'd be pleasantly surprised with a stock cyma platinum series, but also have a very simple upgrade path. New mosfet, motor, and hop rubber in one of those and you've got yourself one hell of a gun. MUCH better than a stock krytac or vfc avalon for the same price (after the aforementioned upgrades).
I was really considdering getting a VFC hk416 for my first AEG, but after watching the video and reading the comments im very worried :( Any suggestions for what to get as my first airsoft rifle, if i should avoid the VFC..
Had the same motor problem with mine. Only way I got it to work was using very low power battery so I could have the gear turn while pushing the end plate into position. Only stripped one gear while trying to get it to work!
Hello negative. Absolutely brilliant videos mate. Thank you for your time putting these up for us all all to enjoy. Just a quick question if I may. What are your views on the double bell BY813s (dboys) hk 416 model in tan it’s available n Taiwan gun for around £180 and fancy one but wanted to know your thoughts. Look forward to your reply. Thank you mark
After finishing my vfc m27 (kh416 but longer) fitting motor is pain in the ass, fitting hop up same story and the fake bolt had to be removed cause when it got stuck i couldnt even disasamble the gun. But with m120 spring shooting cosistent 450 fps with 0.2 bb
you could technically build a gun like that but it would still be needlessly expensive. idk if retailers sell vfc externals. G&P externals are also great, but you might have to do some custom work to make them fit nicely with whatever you throw in it.
Honestly i think the guy either got a lemon with that 416 or vfc has started to fuck up. I have owned a vfc 416 for 6 years now, ran flawlesly for a year straight being used every sunday (then i started upgrading it). I have never encountered those problems, ammitedly i could not replace the grip since every other grip just made a shit aoe (motor got replaced right away). Imho vfc externals are good just for the tight fit and quality of materials, finishes sucks, mine got scratched almost immediatly. (regarding the price thing, a big cut goes to umarex for those nice trade marks, so realistically that is a 350ish euro gun, just like marui's price is inflated by imports)
Maybe they started to fuck up with the whole mosfet wave, like g&g. A friend of mine has one pre-mosfet era and it shoots pretty accurately, it hasn't been opened yet tho
meh. their pistols arent nearly as bad as anything else they sell, internals/performance wise. the vfc hk45ct is a unicorn, though. go watch his video on it. otherwise, youd be better off with a ksc/kwa, or tokyo marui. nothing else.
Love the content, could you possibly make a video explaining how to put the right amount of grease inside a mech box and where the correct places are to apply it
theres plenty of youtube videos on that. its not a very complex thing. you can get really picky with the different types of oils and grease to use and where each type belongs, but you can just get some synthetic multipurpose ptfe grease and be just fine. Use silicone oil on o-rings/compression parts, though. its designed for air seal.
Ryan Groza Maekii motor alignment tool (look it up) to check motor alignment with just the grip and gearbox shell. If correct, the tool will be centered to the hole where the motor height screw goes. If not correct, you can either replace the grip, or, use aluminum tape or some sort of thin sheet to actually shim the angle of the grip when attached to the shell such that the Maekii tool is centered in the before mentioned hole. I like to use the former for shims. It’s thin, can be layered, can be cut into custom shapes, and can be undone if desired or necessary. After you’re alignment is good, it is essential to check this again with the gearbox in the receiver. Often, the receiver will meet the grip before it is fully seated to the gearbox shell. Therefore, if alignment is correct when not in receiver, and is incorrect when in the receiver, then one must sand the grip where it meets the receiver. The goal is to have a hair thin gap between the grip and the receiver. I use a flashlight to check the gap by shining through from the other side. This takes time, and time is money, if not money then generosity. When done correctly, the motor will be aligned and engage properly with the the bevel gear. This alignment is the cause of a lot of noise, even if motor height is correct, or if the gears are shimmed correctly. This can cause unwanted friction which results in resistance which results in heat. I have worked on many VFC M4s and M416s, new and old, not including the two I own (old). I have not encountered such issues with the grips whether 416 or standard, but always went forward and corrected alignment as this makes the whole system work better. The wires are tricky in the 416 grips, the self shimming blows, the old polycarbonate parts are weak and not that resistant to chemicals. The threads to the GB can strip easy if mistreated, the aluminum selector plate can bend out of shape, and other brand GB shells are tight fits in many VFC receivers. But, motor alignment is motor alignment is motor alignment.
@@anttechairsoft New VFC video coming up next where you'll see me test the same gearbox in a different VFC pistol grip.... even worse. You're right about time being money & the fact that VFC are so shabby with their internals everybody involved is better off if I just swap out the gearbox to a superior unit. You won't find me using aluminium tape (or tin foil as it's basically known) & when people want the HK look they forked out nearly £500 for, the thought of changing the pistol grip doesn't fly.
From what I know CYMA is pretty great, I use an M4 that they produce (I’m not a m4 basic I promise!) and i use .30s and .28s and it works great! I use a SBR setup and runs accurately and cheap.
after watching this again....I have just found out the EF /Umarex is now putting vfc avalon gearboxes in their ELITE MP5's. whhooo hoo who wants a broken gun?!!
yup. this guys got plenty of videos displaying their bullshit, but you can take it from me as well. I got an avalon as my first gun getting back into the sport. Wish I found this guy sooner. I took it to about 8 game days and then decided i should check out the gearbox. found a broken tooth on spur gear.
I saw where that optic was mounted and I knew that gun was cursed.
That was first thing I noticed. That’s what you call unlimited eye relief!! 😂😂😂
I guess I am pretty randomly asking but does anyone know a good site to watch new series online ?
@Emmitt Troy Flixportal xD
@Cesar Yehuda Thank you, I went there and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :) I really appreciate it!
@Emmitt Troy glad I could help :)
What a strange yet wonderful way to start the morning.
same tho
Dude you had the ex wife off to a t reading that letter 😳PTSD type flashback not good first thing in the morning
I rewatch your videos so often. The more experience I get with teching and the more I learn, the more I'm able to pick up little lessons from these videos. Quite awesome. Thanks for putting these out.
That reading of the letter is just fabulous! I'll continue with the video after the laught attack...
Airsoft Tuning is like Porsche. The more you pay, the less you get.
Calm down Sméagol 😂
Underrated comment 😂
Thank you Mr Blobby, you set my dog off with your impersonation, fun as though.
E&c guns are great budget guns both external and internals are great they sound shimmed too out of the box
Yeah shimming is a must but some e&c guns sounds nice out of the box
>Why are people still buying VFC?
If you price your product high, put out some expensive marketing for it, and doll it up with trades, you can give out the illusion you're buying into a high-end product to people who don't know any better.
*Cough*Novritsch*Cough*
Brilliant finish with the paint job
I swear every time I watch these videos I learn a plethora of new ways to say fuck, cunt, and shit. Mans got a fucking cussing dictionary
Made it beautiful in the inside AND outside. Inspiring.
damn your bench doesn't do that paint job justice those glamour shots look sweet
I felt the entire length of the video in the bottom of my heart. I've been fighting with a vfc 417 since march 20th and have done lots of things to it. And the worst part of the entire build it's been,with no doubt,that fucking "416 style" pistol grip. The lid on the bottom of the grip it's so fucking thick,that it pushes the motor and also de the wiring so deep inside the pistol grip,that you have no room to adjust it with the adjustment screw. You have to grind the hell out of it for the motor to fit properly inside the grip,and allowing the cables to rest nicely inside. So I recommend you try to grind the inside part of the bottom lid and try to fit the motor in the grip. Nice video,love watching these mate!
Love the brown you used on the furniture now I want to replicate it.
Can anyone tell me what is that song at 13:00? It reminds me of Tangarine Dream and i freaking love it.
You should be on South Park! Love it.
That final paint job is great
that cartman impression is so good
E&C gearbox is awesome!!..tested!!
Fair play, must have the patience of a saint to do this job full time. Paint job looks cool too, simple yet effective.
cracking video , that paint job looks awesome much more character than a plain tan and black.
What would be a better pistol grip alternative to not have motor fitment issues
The moment you bought a VFC Hk 416 and it arrives tomorrow😂
What’s the song playing at 11.30 I like it
Vfc and retro arms, siegetek, and gate they all came together long ago to plan for people only having the option to make fully built aegs 😁
E&c guns are just amazing, I wish they e&c were sold in uk considering specna arms doesn’t seem to use them anymore
One series is still E&C. Edge isn't (they are working on QC - but I still will stay with E&C made ones)...
Come to Philippine we love E&C
Your paint here is badass. Nice job. 👍
Amazing scope placement lol
@Johnny Dong XPS2 right?
Magazine, clipazine, potato, tomato
@@yarghhargh9345 careful, he may shoot you with his Glocktine11.
I don't even play airsoft or have any airsoft guns, I just join for the commentary cos I think he's fucking hilarious
When you said "1" at the end like the bottom page number made me crack.
Omdz that reading really had me going
Bloody love me some E&C gearbox goodness!
So without hop up the fps is way higher. Does that mean if youbwere to get hit, it would feel better without a rubber?
I've been fighting with a Classic Army G3. It came to me with a broken piston and I gutted a Classic Army Sportline 416 gearbox for it's piston. The sportline had shitty plastic bushing yet worked so I figured it was best to just part it out to fix the G3, plus the SL gearbox had issues with low fps, either worn spring or seal?. ANYWAY. I reassembled the G3 gearbox (A standard line with brass bushings out of a nice full metal SAR Officer.) It seemed to go back together fairly well. There were no shims to worry about getting back in place, and everything seemed to spin and move freely before closing the shell. When I put it back in the gun it would only turn over a little then jam up. I'd pull the motor and drop the antireverse to let it go back to fully decompressed and it would still do the same thing. Multiple batteries, fully charged. So I don't think it's a power issue. I've heard of this happening with guns left partially cocked but never with a fully decompressed one.
motor assembly: put an allen key through the allen hex bolt hole and push the motor down while sliding the cap on the grip. harder to say than doing it
yes this rifle is a PITA.
E&C are the go-to platform in my country. Reliable, cheap, good externals, universal internal and external parts, and a lot of variety you can choose from. Great video by the way bitter truth is always better than a sweet lie because in the end people are paying for these.
love my specna arms. haven't had to fuck with it ever. waiting for a bit more water under the bridge before I make a decision on one their AK's
Pinoy love E&C i have one long time ago really great
@@TheChalkBane Specnas AKs are shit. If you want budget AK, go for CYMA. If you want the all steel externals, go for E&L
Do you still rate the E&C gearboxes? or are there better alternatives for the money nowadays?
I still rate
@negative airsoft. I have too experienced the trash that VFC is producing. Question: In you experience what would you recommend as a alternative?
love ur vids bro🤣🤣best channel on youtube
Best airsoft content award 🏆
You can actually do the flat hop bucking mod and leave the guide in place but you have to make sure you shave the contact nub off perfectly/almost perfectly, i used my expensive craft knives and a magnifying glass and it works an absolute treat, also with an S hop patch.
I do believe so, after all Modify flat hop bucking comes with guide in place.
Omfg I was not expecting that XD I was dying in laughter
Had this same issue last week with a ggv2 series 2 and a pts grip . If the shimming was correct the motor would not work. Dam thing was at a hard angle and deep as hell . Changed grip everything 100% w.t.a.f
'Releasing 50 prison inmates into a nonce ring'... that was better than Shakespeare.
Hey nice video! Where did you get that hk416 handgaurd?
What brand do you recommend for a M416 that would not require your services too often?
E&C gearboxes are of durable alloy. I only managed to crack mine after months of a weighted piston and overvolumed setup. 400fps on .28s 460 on .2s.
Excellent job as ever
How are the ICS M4's now-a-days? Thinking about restarting airsoft, once the world isn't on fire, and was thinking ICS M4 Sportline (i don't like the idea of built in smart triggers or mosfets that can't easily be replaced by a non-tech), is the split gearbox easier to maintain? is the safe position spring decocker... a problem?, if the sportline has one, does the decocker interfere with a warfet in anyway?
they're not terrible, but not great. i think this guy would point you towards a G&G CM (aka combat machine) model unless you've got some experience working on a gearbox. In that case, go for a specna arms or e&c (same manufacturer). If you're willing to spend another $100, you'd be pleasantly surprised with a stock cyma platinum series, but also have a very simple upgrade path. New mosfet, motor, and hop rubber in one of those and you've got yourself one hell of a gun. MUCH better than a stock krytac or vfc avalon for the same price (after the aforementioned upgrades).
Got a VFC avalon calibur, sector gear broke at first day of gameplay, and after that no issues at all
Do like the spray job Luke and will you do a update Video when you have solved the VFC gear box.
Yeah, will do
I was really considdering getting a VFC hk416 for my first AEG, but after watching the video and reading the comments im very worried :( Any suggestions for what to get as my first airsoft rifle, if i should avoid the VFC..
I recommend a g&g combat machine they are great for the price
@@tomhermans887 Sorry mate, but Combat Machines are shit in 2020.
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 Correct - great gears though... bollocks all else
Had the same motor problem with mine. Only way I got it to work was using very low power battery so I could have the gear turn while pushing the end plate into position. Only stripped one gear while trying to get it to work!
It's bullshit isn't it
looks great man !!!! rly good job !
Hello negative. Absolutely brilliant videos mate. Thank you for your time putting these up for us all all to enjoy. Just a quick question if I may. What are your views on the double bell BY813s (dboys) hk 416 model in tan it’s available n Taiwan gun for around £180 and fancy one but wanted to know your thoughts. Look forward to your reply. Thank you mark
Beautiful job
After finishing my vfc m27 (kh416 but longer) fitting motor is pain in the ass, fitting hop up same story and the fake bolt had to be removed cause when it got stuck i couldnt even disasamble the gun. But with m120 spring shooting cosistent 450 fps with 0.2 bb
Normal Marketers: "Put a big-booby-lady with it, that'll sell it."
Negative Airsoft: "FUCKIN LIZARD MATE. BANG ON."
Nice looking bearded dragon posing there in the end, looks healthy.
Another great informative video, thanks
This makes me realise, if I want a 416, I should avoid VFC like the plague, what brands are good for this gun in the UK?
E&C
Is it possible to buy the vfc externals only and insert and e&c gearbox or do you have to buy the whole gun
you could technically build a gun like that but it would still be needlessly expensive. idk if retailers sell vfc externals. G&P externals are also great, but you might have to do some custom work to make them fit nicely with whatever you throw in it.
I had to leave the room at "smiley face" I was in tears 🤣
Good Morning everyone. Great vid to start the day
Honestly i think the guy either got a lemon with that 416 or vfc has started to fuck up. I have owned a vfc 416 for 6 years now, ran flawlesly for a year straight being used every sunday (then i started upgrading it). I have never encountered those problems, ammitedly i could not replace the grip since every other grip just made a shit aoe (motor got replaced right away).
Imho vfc externals are good just for the tight fit and quality of materials, finishes sucks, mine got scratched almost immediatly.
(regarding the price thing, a big cut goes to umarex for those nice trade marks, so realistically that is a 350ish euro gun, just like marui's price is inflated by imports)
I'm doing another right now... no bs.
Terrible.
Maybe they started to fuck up with the whole mosfet wave, like g&g. A friend of mine has one pre-mosfet era and it shoots pretty accurately, it hasn't been opened yet tho
Laughed my ass off at that intro
1:16 Too much acid
Lol i love that fuckin voice he used while reading the note
Adorable beardies by the way ❤️
I've heard the music in a film somewhere, can anyone enlighten me?
Hey, Negative, do you think WE 226/229's are worth it?
great job - now put the VFC gearbox into an E&C gun :-)
A 20 minute Negative Airsoft Video!!!??? Fuck yeah!
Gun looks really good! Good job! And keep up the slammin content! =D
What language is this would really like to learn it, 00:08
That shading looks great!! I would like to see your scale model collection!
Sorry, I'm not a virgin
@@NegativeAirsoftTech hahahaha, thanks I needed that!!
Headin' out to crush sum puss'
@@NegativeAirsoftTech what paint did you use?
What about vfc Glock gbb handgun would you recommend them
meh. their pistols arent nearly as bad as anything else they sell, internals/performance wise. the vfc hk45ct is a unicorn, though. go watch his video on it. otherwise, youd be better off with a ksc/kwa, or tokyo marui. nothing else.
@@Evan-eh9dd what would be the best hand gun for Airsoft thanks
In that intro bit you almost sounded like kenny from South park, but at least you can almost understand what kenny is saying
I had no idea NegativeAirsoft was the voice actor for Toad from the Mario series.
if Gordon Ramsey was a chef
super good at what he does, swears a lot
Could you be so kind to so show how to flat hop one day as you make it look so easy
Justin Southern yep I’d be interested to see that
There are already many videos on.
Absolutely gorgeous work and that is fucked to come from a manufacturer like that
Love the content, could you possibly make a video explaining how to put the right amount of grease inside a mech box and where the correct places are to apply it
theres plenty of youtube videos on that. its not a very complex thing. you can get really picky with the different types of oils and grease to use and where each type belongs, but you can just get some synthetic multipurpose ptfe grease and be just fine. Use silicone oil on o-rings/compression parts, though. its designed for air seal.
Had numerous problems with the VFC guns and also spent many an hour getting mad at them. Looks cracking with the shades
How not to correct motor alignment: Grind pinion gear, curse VFC and replace entire gearbox.
works well when you need it to. especially for magpul moe motor grips
What would you do then ?
Ryan Groza Maekii motor alignment tool (look it up) to check motor alignment with just the grip and gearbox shell. If correct, the tool will be centered to the hole where the motor height screw goes. If not correct, you can either replace the grip, or, use aluminum tape or some sort of thin sheet to actually shim the angle of the grip when attached to the shell such that the Maekii tool is centered in the before mentioned hole. I like to use the former for shims. It’s thin, can be layered, can be cut into custom shapes, and can be undone if desired or necessary. After you’re alignment is good, it is essential to check this again with the gearbox in the receiver. Often, the receiver will meet the grip before it is fully seated to the gearbox shell. Therefore, if alignment is correct when not in receiver, and is incorrect when in the receiver, then one must sand the grip where it meets the receiver. The goal is to have a hair thin gap between the grip and the receiver. I use a flashlight to check the gap by shining through from the other side. This takes time, and time is money, if not money then generosity. When done correctly, the motor will be aligned and engage properly with the the bevel gear. This alignment is the cause of a lot of noise, even if motor height is correct, or if the gears are shimmed correctly. This can cause unwanted friction which results in resistance which results in heat. I have worked on many VFC M4s and M416s, new and old, not including the two I own (old). I have not encountered such issues with the grips whether 416 or standard, but always went forward and corrected alignment as this makes the whole system work better. The wires are tricky in the 416 grips, the self shimming blows, the old polycarbonate parts are weak and not that resistant to chemicals. The threads to the GB can strip easy if mistreated, the aluminum selector plate can bend out of shape, and other brand GB shells are tight fits in many VFC receivers. But, motor alignment is motor alignment is motor alignment.
I think replacing pistol grip would have been easy enough? I believe the grip causes the problem because it is different shape than regular AR15 grip
@@anttechairsoft New VFC video coming up next where you'll see me test the same gearbox in a different VFC pistol grip.... even worse.
You're right about time being money & the fact that VFC are so shabby with their internals everybody involved is better off if I just swap out the gearbox to a superior unit.
You won't find me using aluminium tape (or tin foil as it's basically known) & when people want the HK look they forked out nearly £500 for, the thought of changing the pistol grip doesn't fly.
Thanks for the vid I been thinking of getting a vcf and now after seeing the shit they are doing I will let that go and look at another gun
From what I know CYMA is pretty great, I use an M4 that they produce (I’m not a m4 basic I promise!) and i use .30s and .28s and it works great! I use a SBR setup and runs accurately and cheap.
E&C and G&P is also good
This is how politicians should do all press conferences
Nice job man
Those are my biggest battles
£100 for the gun £300 for the licensing 👍
Yep - they were £300 back in the day, now you get to pay an extra £150 for trademarks that are incorrect! Thanks Umarex.
Negative Airsoft lol I’ll take 2! 🤮
Pob is an Airsoft tech now then? I guess wrecking jumpers and spitting on screens didn't pay the bills.
I run my EOT at the tip as well
U OK hun?
after watching this again....I have just found out the EF /Umarex is now putting vfc avalon gearboxes in their ELITE MP5's. whhooo hoo who wants a broken gun?!!
yup. this guys got plenty of videos displaying their bullshit, but you can take it from me as well. I got an avalon as my first gun getting back into the sport. Wish I found this guy sooner. I took it to about 8 game days and then decided i should check out the gearbox. found a broken tooth on spur gear.
Can't wait to see if you can do my guns for me 😏😏. Great video as all ways
You make a very good toad impression from Mario haha
Jeez that E&C gearbox sounds gorgeous
hahah had same problems with VFC xD ! like something doesnt align
Good morning (at least where I’m at) what start
Bruh do that voice all the time !!!!!