Question, shouldn’t the jinx look for a bounce back after crashing the wave? This will enable her engage support to look for an engage on their side of the map at level 3
He literally said they were desperate and tried to cheese (aka force a fight) because their wave was bad and xayah had a good freeze she could keep up. So yes. She forced it by doing well. Doesn't mean Rakan or kallista played that well though
4:40 they were ganked near their own tower in the "passive farming" area. and they wouldn't even have to use summoners if they tried to disengage from the gank. not sure it's the best example of being ganked when going agressive. it does show how nautilus was wasting his time because of the wave placement.
It also said later that they should’ve just gotten a minion advantage instead of pushing into tower, but that would still be aggressive compared to passive. With a naut vs xer, that lvl 2 spike is huge but if they’re at tower then yeah ofc that’s too aggressive. That extreme like if the passive option was them standing at the edge of exp range and not last hitting to stay safe
Type to them, I'm an adc and I always ping and type what I want to do in advance, eg waves under their tower usually supps go to just fat push it back under but I say let it push 4 freeze
Narrator sounds like he's ripped straight out of the Infographics Show or something lmao - not a bad thing, just an observation. Great video, more like this.
HI, While as a random challenger eune top off meta enjoyer; I agree with the video, I can see tho many huge positives from jinx positioning and plan, especially as a smurf ADC, playing around securing an early level advantage, valuing independence a lot: I am a low micro player and I pay a lot of attention on what I would love to do with a wave. And I would choose a similar wave strategy as her while smurfing vs plat ADC supp and while having the most egrill duo slave nautilus world because: - enemies won't execute a perma freeze because they have never experienced it! I sware that, vs 2 ranged enemies as ADC with melee support a smurf can free shoot on each of them even 1 by 1, BCS of how insanely bad their spacing skills are. -reksai might be 1 minute late with clear BCS it's low elo - even if you have a bad, potentially enemy-perma-freezable wave, up to diamond adcs play random wave management, and even if they enter challenger-wet-dream wave state, they will ruin it as an accident, without even realizing it. -. Melee champs to be a threat need to be healthy and save resources. This can be good if you don't want to have 0 hp nautilus that will hug a turret vs poke bot. He will get frustrated, walk into Caitlyn's traps, and eat a lot of poke. ALL POKE to be exact. Ppl are very emotional about early mistakes, and its better to have nervous kill-hungry-bored-nautilus than flamer-AFK-inter-turret-hugger - jinx nautilus is not an *actual* kill lane, and "castrating" nautilus gameplan might be good for soloq consistency. catching enemies level 1 or 2 doesn't have to be clean and easy, especially when playing against the wave. Missed hook into a minion or wall can make naut lose a lot of health. IK that nautilus is turbo strong lvl 1, but if this nautilus was executing his level 1 power consistently he wouldn't be silver, right?. What I want to say, is that it's sometimes worth to kill support's agency on purpose, when smurfing BCS he just won't handle it. - - jinx naturally outscales cait and xerath, but she also needs a lot of complete items in this game to be a versatile all-in 1 champ. silver Nautilus won't protect you from Leblanc mid so you will need wits end as 2nd or 3d item. Reksai might make flash knockup late so GA/ randuin/stopwatch/ shieldbow/galeforce would be so precious. I wouldn't even think of dreaming that silver nautilus will allow me to play more aggressive build than idk shieldbow/galeforce + berserkers/mercs+ rapidfire+ wits end +bloodthirster randuin/GA build * I am aware that this is total disrepect for all 3 enemies, and 0 trust to nautilus. But if I was duo boosting (not coaching) as jinx, if this game was my job, and I had to make 10 net wins with this nautilus troll in 1 day, bcs otherwise I would earn too little money to play league for the living *ok if nautilus cait xerath and were challenger I would like to play aggressive- freeze and at some point give up wave, let wave crash and bounce during expected-reksai-gank-timestamp, so she wastes 1000 years on bot. *But this is smurf queue reality, botlane players are bad beyond imagination, and expecting enemies to play properly is naive and allies to play good extremely dangerous. It's very important rule to force enemies not allies when smurfing, otherwise ur team will int you, and you will int enemies. PS as smurf nautilus I would be giga scared atm and start thinking about how to achieve a good wave or roam after her respawn. I am pretty sure that in hector challenge-vids, he abused "force enemies not allies when smurfing" and "limited trust" rules a *** lot***
I agree with all of that. However, in this specific video it is just a brawl between random long time plat4 members, all four of them in this elo for years.
I think your jinx example is really off. First off you should never really be letting a poke lane push you back, you should always be trying to stop them from pushing you in so you don’t get poked. Second jinx would have been completely fine but she’s a moron and decided to try and outplay the gank. Third, she should be going for a 3 wave crash into a cheater recall. And finally the rek’sai gank is so bad it’s not even funny, that gank should never work and lillia should just get free camps from his blue side. I think you did a bit too much hindsight heroing on this example.
Yeah i agree with the Jinx example being off. The enemy Cait and Xerath's goal should be to push and trade and then poke under tower. Especially because of their range and their abilities also goes through the wave. Also if Jinx plays passively and gets shoved then Nautilus has a hard time to engage as well, because of wave blocking his Q, they will probably be at a health disadvantage too, with a wave at the tower. Should the Nautilus engage and have the adc tank the wave with a health disadvantage? Doesn't make sense.
@@tomsjoberg8746 the play would be to freeze the wave close to tower nd use Jinx Q to gain HP advantage, tricky matchup but very doable, its a game of who can poke better, the pressure is more so on Jinx and Nautilus tho, since they need a lot more mistakes frm Cait nd Xerath to stomp lane, whereas Cait nd Xerath just need to get free poke with Q and W
if you are sticking in lane without backing at 7 minutes for honey fruit , something has already gone horribly wrong. Sitting on roughly 1300-1500 gold instead of backing for component is super troll.
Wait a sec... 4:56 you tell this guys are platinum, and the nauti kill the first melee minion with relic shield charge? lane pushed in doesn't look to me an entire jinx fault...
why pay for lessons when they literally tell you 90% of what you need to know here lol these videos have helped me climb to diamond and understand the game on a much deeper level. thanks boys.
hello, since i'm new to lol i had a question about CSing and being an adc and i would highly appreciate it if someone could help me with it. when should i exactly have an agressive lane or a passive one? i mean how can i make sure that which one i should choose?
I m not some high rank player...if u tank sup and u r on champ which can win long duels rather than 1 aa trade then hold the wave close to ur tower ...and if u champ is poke based then push and pressurize the enemy adc so that he cant take minions
Get into game. Win early game fights. Have 40+ farm over other adc. Jungler doesn't gank or go for objectives, middle plays passive and lets enemy ahri roam and top riven is 0/0/0 with equal farm. I will never escape iron. I get +10Lp for wins and -30 for losses
Im am a high elo jinx, third best jinx NA currently and i thought it was gonna say play aggro, well bc honestly i would, and i would win game! And i wouldn’t have leashed lilia either against a poke lane. If ur jg cant solo the dam jg in plat well honestly fuck him! Dont help jg if ur against poke lane, u need lvl 2 prio always.. specially with a nautilus’s, but thats just me maybe a low elo player might not play so well in the way i see it ahah
Honestly i feel like the tip from the Jinx example is really off. The goal for Xerath and Cait should be to push so that they can fully utilize their range and poke. If Jinx and Nautilus is passive with the wave at their tower it will also be harder for nautilus to engage because of the extra wave damage, as well with the enemy wave blocking his Q ability. They will also probably be at a HP disadvantage because of poke
Bot lane is slower than any other roles . Because it’s main area of competence is to secure dragon , jungler level up , and bot laners act as a reserve for the last phase of the game . While top and mid are duelling for most of the game , jungler is the one who determines the speed of victory in most cases . Both laners are the long term plans .
in theory this all sounds amazing but in 90% of the time you are laning with a person who has 0 clue about anything, can't play his champs and doesn't look at the map and is lock camming around doing nothing or stupid things.
You realise that the entire point of that statement was to make it more clear as to why its important and reaffirming trading while pushing, not to teach common sense
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I really enjoy the commentary from the new member, he does a fantastic job.
Theory learned! Time to put it in practice! Also your voice is hella soothing, what a great narrator!
This is the only vid where I catch that "before we wrap this up" 😐 other ones were just mumbling at that part
Wow, this is actually a really good video. Simple, to-the-point, informative. Good job!
This is really good, clear and concise. Good job.
4:45 if jinx hadn't tried to kill xerath that escape would be great for lillia because now she can invade enemy blue imo.
Question, shouldn’t the jinx look for a bounce back after crashing the wave? This will enable her engage support to look for an engage on their side of the map at level 3
Rakan: dived and inted
Narrator: Xayah basicly forces that all on her own
There was a sustainable freeze situation that Rakan was desperate to break as said "terrible state"
He literally said they were desperate and tried to cheese (aka force a fight) because their wave was bad and xayah had a good freeze she could keep up. So yes. She forced it by doing well. Doesn't mean Rakan or kallista played that well though
@@lynxcomplex3099 ye ye, go buy a course xD
@@CosLepszeNizKtos I don't think I'm the one that needs to. Even despite the fact i think it's a waste of money
What about level 2 with engage suport if they allow you to push shouldn't you push for 2 and try to engage?
4:40 they were ganked near their own tower in the "passive farming" area. and they wouldn't even have to use summoners if they tried to disengage from the gank. not sure it's the best example of being ganked when going agressive. it does show how nautilus was wasting his time because of the wave placement.
You miss the point: This would not have been gankable if they didn't push the lane for no reason
@@Omnilatent it wasn't gankable at the time of the gank. they just gave the kills for no reason.
It also said later that they should’ve just gotten a minion advantage instead of pushing into tower, but that would still be aggressive compared to passive. With a naut vs xer, that lvl 2 spike is huge but if they’re at tower then yeah ofc that’s too aggressive. That extreme like if the passive option was them standing at the edge of exp range and not last hitting to stay safe
As a support main i suffer the most when my adc doesnt know what he is doing with the wave even if i try to fix the wave they still fuck it up
Just let them do what they want with the wave, it's not your problem if they fuck it up
Type to them, I'm an adc and I always ping and type what I want to do in advance, eg waves under their tower usually supps go to just fat push it back under but I say let it push 4 freeze
I climb that 5 division from watching videos on skillcapped lol:)) so useful, thát gonna be 6 when i get plat4 tomorrow
Narrator sounds like he's ripped straight out of the Infographics Show or something lmao - not a bad thing, just an observation.
Great video, more like this.
HI, While as a random challenger eune top off meta enjoyer; I agree with the video, I can see tho many huge positives from jinx positioning and plan, especially as a smurf ADC, playing around securing an early level advantage, valuing independence a lot: I am a low micro player and I pay a lot of attention on what I would love to do with a wave.
And I would choose a similar wave strategy as her while smurfing vs plat ADC supp and while having the most egrill duo slave nautilus world because:
- enemies won't execute a perma freeze because they have never experienced it! I sware that, vs 2 ranged enemies as ADC with melee support a smurf can free shoot on each of them even 1 by 1, BCS of how insanely bad their spacing skills are.
-reksai might be 1 minute late with clear BCS it's low elo -
even if you have a bad, potentially enemy-perma-freezable wave, up to diamond adcs play random wave management, and even if they enter challenger-wet-dream wave state, they will ruin it as an accident, without even realizing it.
-. Melee champs to be a threat need to be healthy and save resources. This can be good if you don't want to have 0 hp nautilus that will hug a turret vs poke bot. He will get frustrated, walk into Caitlyn's traps, and eat a lot of poke. ALL POKE to be exact.
Ppl are very emotional about early mistakes, and its better to have nervous kill-hungry-bored-nautilus than flamer-AFK-inter-turret-hugger
- jinx nautilus is not an *actual* kill lane, and "castrating" nautilus gameplan might be good for soloq consistency. catching enemies level 1 or 2 doesn't have to be clean and easy, especially when playing against the wave. Missed hook into a minion or wall can make naut lose a lot of health. IK that nautilus is turbo strong lvl 1, but if this nautilus was executing his level 1 power consistently he wouldn't be silver, right?.
What I want to say, is that it's sometimes worth to kill support's agency on purpose, when smurfing BCS he just won't handle it. -
- jinx naturally outscales cait and xerath, but she also needs a lot of complete items in this game to be a versatile all-in 1 champ.
silver Nautilus won't protect you from Leblanc mid so you will need wits end as 2nd or 3d item. Reksai might make flash knockup late so GA/ randuin/stopwatch/ shieldbow/galeforce would be so precious.
I wouldn't even think of dreaming that silver nautilus will allow me to play more aggressive build than idk shieldbow/galeforce + berserkers/mercs+ rapidfire+ wits end +bloodthirster randuin/GA build *
I am aware that this is total disrepect for all 3 enemies, and 0 trust to nautilus. But if I was duo boosting (not coaching) as jinx, if this game was my job, and I had to make 10 net wins with this nautilus troll in 1 day, bcs otherwise I would earn too little money to play league for the living
*ok if nautilus cait xerath and were challenger I would like to play aggressive- freeze and at some point give up wave, let wave crash and bounce during expected-reksai-gank-timestamp, so she wastes 1000 years on bot.
*But this is smurf queue reality, botlane players are bad beyond imagination, and expecting enemies to play properly is naive and allies to play good extremely dangerous. It's very important rule to force enemies not allies when smurfing, otherwise ur team will int you, and you will int enemies.
PS as smurf nautilus I would be giga scared atm and start thinking about how to achieve a good wave or roam after her respawn. I am pretty sure that in hector challenge-vids, he abused "force enemies not allies when smurfing" and "limited trust" rules a *** lot***
I agree with all of that. However, in this specific video it is just a brawl between random long time plat4 members, all four of them in this elo for years.
y the voice is diff?
I can hyper carry games as jg and support, but struggle in mid, adc, top. Does this mean mommy laning is just bad?
How often do you have to type that word for your phone to add it in autocorrect?
@@Mynth16 ahaha idek how I got that autocorrect 😂
Great content. These little tips help me tweak play even if it's not my lane
The jinx naut matchup I would play agro if 100% know rek started bot, it’s really easy to kill Xerath and Cait with hook + trap.
A good flash in late game can win you the game while a good flash in laning phase just gives you some kills
I think your jinx example is really off. First off you should never really be letting a poke lane push you back, you should always be trying to stop them from pushing you in so you don’t get poked. Second jinx would have been completely fine but she’s a moron and decided to try and outplay the gank. Third, she should be going for a 3 wave crash into a cheater recall. And finally the rek’sai gank is so bad it’s not even funny, that gank should never work and lillia should just get free camps from his blue side. I think you did a bit too much hindsight heroing on this example.
Yeah i agree with the Jinx example being off. The enemy Cait and Xerath's goal should be to push and trade and then poke under tower. Especially because of their range and their abilities also goes through the wave. Also if Jinx plays passively and gets shoved then Nautilus has a hard time to engage as well, because of wave blocking his Q, they will probably be at a health disadvantage too, with a wave at the tower. Should the Nautilus engage and have the adc tank the wave with a health disadvantage? Doesn't make sense.
@@tomsjoberg8746 the play would be to freeze the wave close to tower nd use Jinx Q to gain HP advantage, tricky matchup but very doable, its a game of who can poke better, the pressure is more so on Jinx and Nautilus tho, since they need a lot more mistakes frm Cait nd Xerath to stomp lane, whereas Cait nd Xerath just need to get free poke with Q and W
if you are sticking in lane without backing at 7 minutes for honey fruit , something has already gone horribly wrong. Sitting on roughly 1300-1500 gold instead of backing for component is super troll.
Wait a sec... 4:56 you tell this guys are platinum, and the nauti kill the first melee minion with relic shield charge? lane pushed in doesn't look to me an entire jinx fault...
What's the name of the background music? I love it!
why pay for lessons when they literally tell you 90% of what you need to know here lol these videos have helped me climb to diamond and understand the game on a much deeper level. thanks boys.
Haha he said to be aware of your jungler. This is low elo and junglers only exist in the enemy team xd
hello, since i'm new to lol i had a question about CSing and being an adc and i would highly appreciate it if someone could help me with it. when should i exactly have an agressive lane or a passive one? i mean how can i make sure that which one i should choose?
I m not some high rank player...if u tank sup and u r on champ which can win long duels rather than 1 aa trade then hold the wave close to ur tower ...and if u champ is poke based then push and pressurize the enemy adc so that he cant take minions
what elo are those gameplays in the background
The content is great but the voice seems too empty for this content for me. 3:50 is a good example of a more natural sound to me.
Maybe that’s why I’m bad. I okay engage supports and I’m typically okay with an aggressive approach if I’m not on Leona. Forever good 😢
Get into game.
Win early game fights. Have 40+ farm over other adc.
Jungler doesn't gank or go for objectives, middle plays passive and lets enemy ahri roam and top riven is 0/0/0 with equal farm.
I will never escape iron. I get +10Lp for wins and -30 for losses
if youre stuck in iron its your own fault, iron players dont have hands
best narrator in this account
ty for the guide!
Im am a high elo jinx, third best jinx NA currently and i thought it was gonna say play aggro, well bc honestly i would, and i would win game! And i wouldn’t have leashed lilia either against a poke lane. If ur jg cant solo the dam jg in plat well honestly fuck him! Dont help jg if ur against poke lane, u need lvl 2 prio always.. specially with a nautilus’s, but thats just me maybe a low elo player might not play so well in the way i see it ahah
this was amazing
i still have no idea how im supposed to manage wave
I love the skillcapped website but you guys don't upload like you used to. It's videos every 2 weeks now. Pretty disappointed
this guys a good voice actor with a smooth voice but its obvious he doesnt play league. quality video though.
I liked, then disliked and then liked again. Thats how good this was...
Nice Infos Thanks!
one of the best adc macro guides ever, nice video
Honestly i feel like the tip from the Jinx example is really off. The goal for Xerath and Cait should be to push so that they can fully utilize their range and poke. If Jinx and Nautilus is passive with the wave at their tower it will also be harder for nautilus to engage because of the extra wave damage, as well with the enemy wave blocking his Q ability. They will also probably be at a HP disadvantage because of poke
Nice
Never been this early
chinese cooking demystified?
This is completely useless, because people is aleways pushing
Bot lane is slower than any other roles . Because it’s main area of competence is to secure dragon , jungler level up , and bot laners act as a reserve for the last phase of the game . While top and mid are duelling for most of the game , jungler is the one who determines the speed of victory in most cases . Both laners are the long term plans .
Ruler is not the best adc in Korea
sheeesh first time this earlyy
deez
Don't like this guy voice
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U are best
in theory this all sounds amazing but in 90% of the time you are laning with a person who has 0 clue about anything, can't play his champs and doesn't look at the map and is lock camming around doing nothing or stupid things.
Please don't say 'duh' in 2022.
NO SHT SHERLOCK its easyier to dive low health enemys?! FOR REAL?! did NEVER expect that!
You would be surprised by how many people don't know how to dive.
Dude what do you expect from low elo? That they know when to dive?
If that is your only takeaway, then this video was not meant for you. Things you already know could be improved on either way.
You realise that the entire point of that statement was to make it more clear as to why its important and reaffirming trading while pushing, not to teach common sense