Building An IEM System 2.0
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- You tag along as Rest, Repose builds a better In Ear Monitoring System with some updates! Big shoutout to Sennheiser, Circle Three Cases and Hosa cables for helping us make this new rig possible!
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I'm not sure if you're aware, but the Sennheiser Antenna Combiners actually send power to the other G4 units via the BNC connectors. No need to plug in all of those wall wart power supplies.
i was just about to say the same thing
Timothy Busby I came here just to say that hahaha
Came here to comment that lol. Glad you mentioned it! Some of the other receivers can also do PoE should you choose to network them.
Was Just now typing this same thing and thought.. "I should see if someone has already informed them" lol
I was about to say that 😂
I installed the G4 units right after they came out and learned that after I set it up too
This is now the main reason I want to get a band up and running to touring level! Just to build this! Thank you fluff!
YES! Finally! I've been waiting for this video ever since you mentioned it in that FAQ a while back. Thanks man!
Thank you from Overt Enemy in Texas! Really appreciate your expertise and all these videos \m/
We've built an almost identical rig a little over a year ago and let me tell you - it's been a game changer. We're completely autonomous on stage, don't need our own monitor engineer, because all of us can adjust our mix with our smartphones and it gives us massive piece of mind to not worry about sound on stage. The X32 has been incredible, after switching from a soundcraft UI and no matter if we're playing a huge stage for 7k plus people or the tiniest bar - we always hear the same sound. Additionally we switched to cab simulators to avoid issues with mic'd cabinets and to maintain clean signals from all stringed instruments. Drums are mic'd with clamps to ensure speedy changeovers and it's working like clockwork. If anyone is unsure if a rack like this is necessary - if you plan on playing consistently, this thing will be your best friend in no time. - Soyan
100% agree! From my own experience on the road as a musician to years as an audio/lighting provider, going in ears is truly a game changer.
That’s awesome!
I’m wondering… how do you deal with your drum mics?
The X32 only has 16 inputs in XLR, how many of these are for the drums and for the other instrumentalists?
Your bandmates are super fortunate to have someone with your knowledge. This was a cool video!
This was fun, let’s build another one
Chris - quick question for ya. So you have 16 channels wired up to go to the X32 but only giving FOH 8 from what I see in the video. Is that the "16 tracks (if we want them)" reference? Do you usually not put the drums in the IEM mix or just not all of them?
Hey just so you know and a few other people commented this too, but I didn’t see a reply for any of you guys...but the combiner send power over the BNC cables so you don’t need the wall-warts for the individual Sennheiser receivers. Might save some space and reduce cable clutter! Awesome build!
Bro, how do you configure the PSM in order to eliminate the antenna it has? I have both a Shure wireless and a PSM300 and I am looking to setup my rack, but this got me thinking how
Not sure if anyone's pointed this out already, but if you're only using 5 IEM units you don't need two combiners. You can just run 4 of them into one combiner and have the last one standalone.
We do this with my band (Alestorm) and it works completely fine - we actually use two A1031-U omnidirectional paddle antennas, one of which is connected to a combiner (4 units) and the other directly to the 5th unit. These are then mounted high up on mic stands for good reception. I'd then suggest use your new free half-U space for an ethernet bridge and connect all the IEM units to it so you can run the Sennheiser WSM software and scan everything at once!
This, though i would recommend using directional paddles for IEMs such as the A2003.
@@matthewgillespie1581 Actually we tried that for the first year or so. In our situation, because we have guitar and drum techs, the in-ear and instrument wireless packs are mostly off stage during the 30 minute linecheck before our show... With directional paddles this meant that we band members were usually in the antenna dead spots and therefore often getting signal bombing in the ears, and the instrument wirelesses were bombing too (which makes awful noises).
Of course none of that made any difference during the show when we were on stage and in signal range, but it really doesn't instil confidence before the show to be getting dropouts, and made us question whether our frequencies were good and leading to a few panicked moments right before the show.
The directional paddles are, I'm sure, much better for larger stages and provide a stronger signal... but honestly we play massive festivals and some pretty big club stages and the omni paddles have worked perfectly every time. I can't remember having any signal dropouts at all in the last 12 months since we switched to them.
@@ElliotVernon Yeah. In bigger budget bands that tour full mons packages and RF techs, its very common to have a local paddle dedicated to the techs / mons engineer. But I can understand where you are coming from. You are correct it will not effect much. Just make sure you are using the correct short 50 ohmns cables! :)
Having directional paddles is alot more important for Radio mics than IEMs, especially in congested RF areas ! I am in the UK and the bandwidth is getting very small indeed. I know good knowledgeable engineers that are making a job out of it by being just RF Techs.
On another note, I am sure you are aware of multipin panel setups, but this does push the budget up quite a bit, but it is very tidy and fast especially for festivals. Perhaps that could be the 3.0 version :)
I have never seen an in ear system put together before. I have always wondered what that would look like. Thank you!
As a Network Engineer, and former System Admin, professionally; I can fully respect the need to thinking out a rack layout, and the need to careful cable management. Nice work! Though the cabling, could be neater :)!
No one can beat network engineers at cable management :)
As a sysadmin, you should be saying put the heavy crap at the bottom. That's probably why it was tipping over. Always place heavy items at the bottom.
Looks Clean, nice job boys!
Always fun playing tetris with rack gear, from experience I have learned the to make wiring/cabling easier to access, the deeper units should be on the bottom of the rack and shallower ones on top. This is a guideline as its not always possible to accomplish. Now to test it out to make sure it works and there are no ground loops, more fun !!!
Beautiful job fellas!
mpressive IEM system: 32 channel mid-range digital mixer with 16 transformer iso splits. 5 high end Sennheiser G4 IEM channels and a end Sennheiser G4 vocal mic. All for less than $10k street price. Add stage mics and all the venue needs to provide are "racks and stacks" speakers. Add $2k for 2 additional vocal mics for a 3 singer band. A lot cheaper than 4x4 pickup truck or a big speed boat.
20 years ago this amount of functionality would require at least half a dozen heavy cases and hours to setup and tear down.
Great video!
Robert Harker still well beyond the reach of the average working band though...
@@officialWWM This is a much more sensible investment for a gigging band than i.e. buying equipment for each individual band member. Just skip the new guitar/bass/cymbal set and this becomes affordable for almost every band, assuming everyone has a job of course (for teenagers without financial backup from the parents this is in most cases not affordable).
InviKid it depends on how a band is structured. If every individual member has to buy their own setup, I can guarantee there will be one who can't afford it (regardless of age). If the band has a fund for expenses, it's gonna take a massive hit to set this up!
Great follow up! I'd imagine the X32 is the heaviest unit. If you stuck it on the bottom in the smaller case it would have made it less prone to tipping and in the new case it would not be in the way of the top mounted light in back of the unit. You also may want to consider LED strips for rear lighting. :)
Thanks, Ryan for this very educating video.
Chris is such a humble nice guy!
In addition. You can network all the G4's using the RJ45 on the back of each. This is great because with Sennhieser's Wireless System Manager (runs on MAC or PC) you can run frequency scan on one pack, sync to WSM and auto assign frequencies to all the units simultaneously; as well as change all the settings from your computer as opposed to using the little nobs on the front of each unit. I also use 5 sennhieser IEM's (G3\G4\Antenna combiner) in my rig, Sennhieser WSM makes for very quick setup at every venue. I also name the units for band members so it is very easy to know who "owns" which pack by simply turning it on and looking at the name on the screen. Great setup!
How exactly you network all G4s and connect then to a PC?
@@eriksdrummer100 Like any network. You will need a switch ($30 on amazon), connect all the units to the switch then the switch to your laptop via network cable or wireless AP.
Such a great set up!
upon reviewing this again..Man!!! That's insane!!! Sgotta' be so awesome live!!
Interesting video. The explanation at the end helped me to understand!
great IEM setup!
Wow, super awesome!
dude that is a sick in ear setup. damn
Now we’re talking fluff love the idea of this video
the beauty of the X32 rack is you can run the whole show from it if you had to. Just keep a bunch of TRS to XLR male for the Aux outs to use them for FOH output to the PA. I would set up the scenes to have the Main left right to the aux outs just in case but that's just me. The rig looks great!
Yes, *IF* the FOH engineer has a tablet/touch screen already set-up and tested. I had a band show up and randomly asking me not 2 hours before a show if I had a tablet - please don't do that. I had to run dual-system instead. Just please, for the love of God, let us know...!!!
I built almost the same, but: 4u rack, behringer splitters, xr18 mixer, and only the vocal is wireless, all the other guys are with cable headphone amps. So great! :)
I need that rack. The light 😍
Ohh maaann !
I would like to be your roadie, how is everything beautiful and organized !
Great video.
Here’s an idea instead of having all those wall wart transformers on the power conditioner. Which come loose when moving around anyway.
Why not just get 1 DC power supply which has enough current capacity to power all the Sennheisser kit. You can power that from the conditioner and that would give you all your DC power for the wireless gear.
Fluff!!! Please do a video about the struggles of getting decent guitar tone with an IEM system. There is allot of frustration out there for guitarists and IEM's I would like to hear what challenges and successes and advice you have. Thx😎
I've watched both of your IEM system videos now.
It is so unfortunate that musicians have to spend so much, and do so much, just to not get f'ed over by the people running sound at venues.
All the f'in time!
Will you do a video about how to set up all the frequencies in your sennheiser g4s so that they work together?
Very cool. I wish a company would make an all in one unit that does all of this in a small package. I'm sure one day it will happen.
This should be a nice improvement! I wondered why you settled for a "trash" mic for drums before... Gotta hear those drums if you're gonna be tight! I use a Sennheiser IEM system and love it, although have been curious about the Galaxy Audio systems for their affordability.
0:23 When you said that why did I immediately hear in my head, "Josh, are you having fun, Josh?! Josh!!! JOOOOSSSSHHHHH!!!!" 😂 🤦♂️
I love how rest repose imploded soon after this video came out
Great video. Very informative. What are you guys doing with old gear you’re not using, if you don’t mind me asking👍🏾
4:15 It's not a counter, it's a cooker. You can make food with it :P
Enjoyed watching this. Congrats on a new rack!
those sennheiser systems are awesome! the anenna splitter should provide power too - might makes things a bit easier!
you have really great equipment
These IEMs are great, man. We have em for rent. Just works with no issues. BUT dont foget the EXTERNAL ANTENNAS. Its a must for a touring band performing in different areas and venues.
We only use Sennheiser, and yeah I love the brackets too!
1. You only needed one wall wart for the IEM base units (both the Sennheiser and Shure combiners can provide power to all the base units).
2. You could have stayed with the original power conditioner (see #1).
3. You only needed a couple G4 base units as each one supports (2) separate mixes (I think Sennheiser calls it Focus Mode. Shure offers it as well and calls it mixmode)
4. You could have purchased a smaller case and saved on a lot of weight (see #1 and #4).
If I may, if you end up having any issues whatsoever with antennae I couldn't recommend the RF Venue Diversity Fin enough. It's fantastic.
As someone who builds racks almost daily, good job!
yo what dimensions should i get for the rack
The combiner will power the G4 via the bnc cable, so you just need 2 combiners for the 6 G4‘s. That makes two plugs in total 👍🏼
this is so satisfying
Looks great! Will you guys need a Waffle(s) for the wireless? What about expanding the XR32r with the S16?
Hi man, The Sennheiser IEM antena combiner work as a power supply for the IEM
Hi Fluff.
Have you made any videos with this rack in action? Just how you set it up when you do live gigs. It would be a interesting video. it's a awesome setup. CHEERS!
Hello friend, how are you. excellent video and the rack looks super collected. I like. I wanted to know how the x32 rack worked for you. I have an x32 compact with its digital snake and I would like to buy the x32 rack for more comfort.
You might also want to use WSM for RF coordination in bigger scale venues. Ever considered a switcher? That way you can use your laptop to control your x32 editor and WSM at the same time through an ethernet port
Running some led tape around the back edges would help in super dark venues
Are you guys touring with your own mics? Play local shows with your own mics? Would love to put something similar together but I'm in weekend warrior type bands and could see local venues struggling to cope with gear (mics) that they are unfamiliar with. Love the idea of just handing them the end of a snake and letting the plug and play minimizing the amount of time a stage hand spends on stage.
They tour with their own equipment, that includes microphones
just seeing the life we used to have from a dystopian future, makes me feel some sort of nostalgia. Like why the fuck am I looking at this video. Liveshows are so rare now.
Hi, just wondering if there are any features other than the extra inputs/outputs/screen that the X32 offers over the XR18 specifically for use with IEM? Obviously the X32 has more features in general, just trying to think of reasons to justify the, almost double, price of the X32 over the XR18 if you're using it specifically for IEM's and not a general FOH mixer. Thanks in advance!
Nice build, Ryan! Looks like it all went together well. Congrats!
One question: The antenna splitter/combiners that I use for my Sennheiser wireless rig provides signal AND power to the four units that they each feed. Thus eliminating the need to use the power block that comes with Sennheiser wireless. And all those cables in the back. Just curious that your's don't provide power and signal? 'Course mine is a rack of 24 wireless microphone systems that I use for theatrical productions. Maybe in ear combiners are different.
I helped a young band I work with, build a similar rig a few weeks ago. Only 3 wireless in ear systems. Didn't use a combiner. We did route the antennas to the front of the rack to give them better signal strength. The rack is always on stage with the band, so the 1/4 wave antennas should always work fine. At least they have been so far. Their drummer has been using a wired in ear setup for about six months. So far they are loving the in ears.
As their audio/lighting guy, I'm loving a MUCH quieter stage! And their monitor mix is always consistent. AND it makes both set up and tear down quicker. Who can argue with that??!!?? Like you, we added an audio splitter so they can feed me a whip, while the other goes to their monitor mixer. Now, no matter who they work with, they'll always have the same in ear monitor mix. Testing this out for them on New Years Eve as we're playing on a house rig.
This was how we had our setup all the years I was on the road. Makes like SO much easier!!
Best of luck, keep posting these great videos and Happy Holidays!
Chris reminds me soo much of the bassist in Coldplay!!
this is fascinating
Hey! Thanks for this! Two questions:
1) We have a similar set up to your old one - we run into a lot of venues not knowing what we are talking about... do you have something that you send to venues/ how do you normally communicate to them about your in-war set up.
2) do you use the same mics all the time, or do you use house mics at the venue
The solution is not to say anything. Most every venue has an XLR stage snake. All you need do is tell the FOH that you’re sending him lines into the snake
I would just pre connect the xlrs to the in ears modules then feed them through while installing it to the rack just tape on witch xlr is what, you only got to connect it once right?
GREAT! Any changes to this since the inception video? Equipment list and pricing?
How are you hooking up the wireless mic unit to the splitter?
Although it's late Audiofusion has a way of doing wireless stereo iems through the iphone for $100 per person. Some may knock it at first but it wasn't that bad when I tried it out
I should start recording all my rack builds. 🤔
Hi Fluff! Love your videos and Just watched this one. Your kind of setup is nearly exactly what I want to have. In my band we are just looking for the best solution regarding IEM and so on. My question now is how do you handle with click tracks and backing tracks in your setup? Getting a sample pad for another 500 seems a bit much as we would only need it for playback.
And maybe I've missed it but do you have just mono IEM or stereo?
Cheers
did you figure out how to run a backing track/click track setup from an ipad/something like that in an IEM setup like this one? Do you run a splitter from the ipad into the digital mixer? do you still need di boxes like in a traditional simple backing track setup? i believe one of the outputs on the arts8 splitter to FOH would be the backing tracks
Hay fluff you have any idea when the Rest Repose documentary tour thing might come out?
great vids Ryan, are all the musicians get stereo IEM? behringer has 8 outputs...any workarounds? thanks!
Hey Fluff,
Since you uploaded this video, how are the sennheiser g4s holding up ?
How do they compare to the g3 and shure psm 900 ?
Thanks !
Hello there, so I just did a similar system but with the mackie dl32r instead, and with 3 s8 instead of one because I have a bigger band and requests. We had the first shows this weekend with this new iem system but was a bit of a nightmare splitting the signals, stage crews does not fully understand the system :) , what should I mention in the technical rider ? I was pretty simple with the expression “we have our own iem system, no need stage monitors” and gave them the FOH input list but did not mention wich input has to be split at our system. Do you have an exemple for a detailed technical rider regarding this system? Thanks!
Are you using an A1031 or some A2003 antennas, or just relying on the antennas on the combiners inside the rack to cover everything?
I love this cabinet build. I have one question tho since you have the senny’s IEM. I recently bought one and the moment I turn it on I hear some kind of interference. Now some ppl say that their system is DEAD quiet. Are yours quiet or do you hear something in the background when you are not playing anything?
that has to do with your levels and gain staging
I built this same system. Only difference I ran a foh patch bay so the cables plug into the front just so I can see everything in case of issue
Do those combiners have large antenna that you plan to set at each side of the stage?
What made you upgrade the wireless units? Just trying to decide between galaxy and the one you upgraded to. ;-)
Man, you show make a video that shows how it works live, how do you guys make the thing work.. I have so many question, specially on the splitter side.. great video!
This guy has a great personality he should be an actor
How are the guitars getting in? Mics? Two notes? Fx send of a multi unit?
looks good guys, my only question how the wireless mic is linked to the splitter?
I'm guessing the wireless mic is feeding just to the x32 rack for an IEM talkback mic or to add ambient room sound to the mix
Hey Fluff, I'm building this right now. I have the attenna combiner. My understanding is it powers the transmitters. why are you using the adapters? Thanks for the help.
Maybe I'm wrong... But won't you get interferences by placing the vocal unit next to the IEM?
How do you configure the PSM in order to eliminate the antenna it has? I have both a Shure wireless and a PSM300 and I am looking to setup my rack, but this got me thinking how..
Is the snake you're using custom from Hosa? On their website I only see snakes with 8 cables?
How do you split the drum signal? Use the house mics or your own mics?
That vocal unit in a different color makes me anxious.
me too i was like can you spray paint it black?
That's to identify the mic unit from the IEM unit.
Did you fix the issue with the rig being top heavy? Still seems like it would be prone to tipping since the heavy stuff is at the top of the rack.
What length did you make the FOH snake and is it the same brand company as your other cables.
So, how are you controlling the monitor mixes when on stage? Does each band member have control of their mix (didn't see a WiFi router in the rack build)? Or does one of you act as monitor engineer with a laptop and a length of Ethernet cable to the X32?
do you ever have any problems with venues using your own monitor system? Im assuming you are using the venues mics and cables? for local shows i could see it being annoying to the sound guy to removing there splitter inputs and putting them in your splitter inputs.. Thanks!
HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT USING A BEHRINGER STAGEBOX AS A splitter? We did that and left it next to the drummer, also gave him a p16. Anyway, your system is just as good. If you end up with another x32 at FOH, you wont even need the splitters.
Great!
No joke. I'm rebuilding an RF Rack for work and I would love to know what that little light is you used for the back of the rack? That would make working in the rack in total darkness much easier.
On the S8’s did y’all come out of the Direct Outs or the ISO Outs into the X32 Rack?
Sick rig.. I'd LOVE to be able to work on something like this.. Kudo's to Hosa.. my brand for years and years....kinda wish I was actually a live performer so I could actually use something like this...};-}
How do you rout the senheiser mic to the splitter?
Are you guys running click as well or is this purely to avoid using wedges?
Fluff have you had any experience with soundcaster in ear software by audio fusion?
Is Josh having fun on tour?
Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwssssshhhhhhhhhh
Yes, I'm
Hey Fluff , Quick question : on the first IEM system video you made, i noticed you went for stereo in ear mixes. In this video it seems you went for mono.
I'm currently preparing to build an IEM system for my own band so could you explain why you chose mono this time ?
If we want stereo mixes and as we are a 5 piece band and have samples + subdrops coming out in mono. how could we achieve that ?
Is the only solution to share multiple wireless transmitters ?
Thank you !! :)
James Chancé If you are 5 people then you need at least 10 aux outputs (L+R for each transmitter) if you want stereo mixes :)