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- In this video, we will go over how to run your own in-ear monitors for your band. This is a complete and step-by-step guide, so it's a fairly long video, but if you want to skip around, the time codes are below. There are multiple ways to do this, but once you understand the basic ideas, you'll be able to do it in the way that works for you.
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0:00 - Intro
0:57 - Benefits of Running Your Own IEM's
2:37 - Gear Needed
4:04 - Digital Setup
7:38 - Connecting IEM's
8:55 - Connecting to Splitter
11:14 - Connecting to Mixer
12:59 - Using the App to Control Mixes
14:54 - Gear Recommendations
16:51 - Tips & Advice
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Thanks for checking out the video, and I'm glad to see so many people have found it helpful! If you are interested in an IEM hack, I made a video on a way to get a DIY wireless IEM system for only $100-$120! Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/AoykGJRcPPw/w-d-xo.html
I guess what I'm trying to get at is that this walk through would give the musicians a mono mix only with how you're describing the setup.
Very clear and helpful, thank you!
This is an excellent full guide vid for setting these type of rigs up, thanks and great job
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Scott. This is a really well laid out video series. Great information and I absolutely love that all the information is pertinent.
Thanks Ray, glad to help!
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This IEM series is 🔥! Thought I had a plan before me, now I know there are Sooo many options!
Thanks Brian, glad you like the series. IEMs probably were the best investment I’ve done for music gear in my opinion. It helps so much
Video series is so helpful. Thanks so much!
Glad it was helpful!
BEST VIDEO by far of setting up a system. Thank you.
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This video was so well done. The humor and meme clips were great too. 🙏🏻 thank you
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Great video ! Thanks so much for the info / education .
Glad to help 😊
TYSM! the only tutorial that actually explained everything easily
Thanks! Glad it helped you out
This is as the best video I found on building your own monitoring system. I appreciate your time for making this video.
No problem, glad to help out 🤘
Cannot stress how incredibly helpful this is.
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This is incredibly helpful.
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Thanks for this video! The XR18 is a workhorse. I use it for home recording and started using it for in ear monitoring right before lock down happened. it really made a difference. Can't wait to see your next posts. thanks again!
The fact that they can double as a recording interface makes them extremely useful
wow, i rarely comment on videos but this video is worth the comment! This was super super helpful, been trying to find an explanation like this for a while and finally here it is! Thank you so much man! Cheers from México xx
Thank you! Glad to help 🤘
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Hi Scott. I just wanted to tell you thanks so much for your informative videos, as ive used as bunch of your videos to set up my IEM system, with a Behringer XR12 second hand with 4 outputs as per your video on how to do that, with all the band with wired P2’s, with your recommended CCA C12 earphones. My band mates are so stoked with how it sounds, with the defining point for me being able to hear the little bass licks my bassist puts into the verses, that ive never heard before! Rather than a splitter snake we are using DI boxes on the end of all the gat pedalboards, and individual XLR splitter cables on all the mics as that was significantly cheaper.
For all the watchers out there this is legit and a game changing way to set up your band. All up, to buy all the cables to connect the band, the XR12 second hand it cost 600 NZD. Each band member brought their own Behringer P2 and earphones. We used cable crap to wrap an IEM cable and the DI cable together, so that their is still only one cable from the mixer to your pedalboard, then the same for the cable to your guitar/P2.
Highly recommend you do this as well!
Hello, Everyone. 👋
New subscriber here, just want to thank for this guide as I found it very informative and well explained, like other videos in this channel.
One aspect to point out is the benefits of using a splitter to separate the signal and have total control in your own mixer, so this should be a standard for bands of any kind, some performers just bring their instruments and no more personal gear, based on my experience there’s still some people that are used to just step in stage without any kind of extra equipment and just hope for the best, I know is not easy to invest in a separate mixer for monitoring specially if you play in different venues, like private events, small spaces or even on places that doesn’t have any kind of PA.
In other hand personal monitoring can be done without the need of a splitter, it’s just a ideal scenario where the band affords to have a separate mixer just for monitors, but if you don’t have a splitter it can be done just fine if the band knows how to use their phone/tablet apps and let the sound engineer control the main mix to the PA.
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Extremely valuable info! If you only have a usb audio interface, like the UMC404HD that I use, you can use Reaper with its web interface controls to accomplish this on an even tighter budget (
This video is amazing! So detailed and helpful .. plus I love the memes along the way .. noice!
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Subscribed. Great info.
Thanks!
The best video tutorial I could find about this subject. Very enlightening! Thank you very much! Question: if the band is also the front house, i assume you don’t need a split cable and you can run the the main right and left speakers in a similar ways as you do for the IEM, right?
Yup that’s correct, if you do FOH sound yourself you will not need the splitter 👍
This is an amazingly indepth video.. that helps so many get I to in ear monitoring. I had a similar set up with splitters and snakes and surprisingly every place we play the sound guy looks confused when we hand him a bunch of tails...
"But I already have all my cables run" is usually the comment.. like disconnecting and reconnecting will ruin his life..
So we use radial cat5 junctions for our vocals and instruments. (We use modelers and not real amps but this will still work just the same) our cables go in and we plug in their lines out the back so we get our signal to our IEM and they get a direct signal for FOH now drums we normally are in smaller clubs so we can hear them just fine but we do use an xlr y cable to split the kick mic and a proximity mic under the drummer to capture everything else. But I also use those patch pays at the back to bring the main L&R to the edge so I'm not poking around trying to plug in cables. Great video
Thanks! And yeah, some sound guys are dicks about it for sure. I always let them know ahead of time. I’ve heard the “I’ve already ran my cables” line before too lol. Always from a grumpy sound guy
@@ScottUhlMusic yup far too many time. Plus our rig allows for quick on and off if we aren't the headliners.. so it functions as a opener and closer rig for us anyway.. still trying to get midi control to function 100% to run the backing tracks without having to have someone start each track from the laptop.. so far each controller has only been 50% effective.
I have quite a few midi tutorial if you do need help 🤘
It's 3 am I should sleep but this video is so GOLD, I re-watch it at any hour 👍
Haha thanks!
@@ScottUhlMusicfrom what I see, the X32 Rack is pretty heavy compared to others, 6.5 kg, is it annoying while touring? It's twice the X air 16
Great video!
Thanks Zach!
Great video!!!!. Very well explained and it is a good guide to build one of these systems. I am Argentine and seeing a reference to an Argentine actor (called Francella 19:06) added even more value to this video. Greetings and thanks for the information
Thanks! I appreciate it
Very informative ma bro...thumbs up.
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Hey! Jim from Jimmy’s Music in Durango. Great videos!
Thanks!
Wow. Great series. This IEM series was so helpful.
IEM ADVICE NEEDED:
Band has been using IEMs for about a few months with our XR16 but our bass player hated them. He wants to use a wedge on stage. The rest of us want to continue to use IEMs.
1) What pitfalls (if any) will we encounter using a hybrid of wedges and IEMs as monitors?
2) What adjustments should we make on stage and in the Xair app to adjust for the addition of a wedge to our set up?
Thanks. I want our bass player to hear what he wants and how he wants, I just don’t want to compromise those of us still using IEMs.
Yeah, there is always SOMEONE in the band haha. It’s a pain, and I prefer in ears for sure. You can always use a wedge if you want, just realize it’s more likely to get feedback. That’s just something you’ll have to accept. If he just wants to hear his bass, try using inears but also having his amp loud on stage behind him. That might make him happy for a compromise. In ears also take a few shows to get used to. Or he also might have ones that are way too cheap and do not sound good. They are all possibilities
@ScottUhlMusic amazing video. Maybe a dumb few questions here but: 1) Do you ever receive any resistance from sound engineers having to re-patch everything when using a splitter?
2) My band plays small club shows. What if instead of using a splitter we used Y-splitters for the vocal mic's and cabinet mic's, and just left the drums alone and relied on ambient drum sound?
Sorry if this comes across as naive, as I'm new to all of this!
You can get resistance from grumpy sound guys with anything haha, that’s all a part of sometimes. Just be sure to tell them ahead of time so they aren’t surprised when you get there for load in.
Y cables can work but they won’t be as easy as with a splitter. With the split, everything is in one location and it makes it much much easier and cleaner to do the split. Y cables sometimes can get cross talk as well
Awesome video Scott! Can the Behringer digital mixers (or the Soundcast ones for that matter) double as both an IEM and FOH mixer?
Just saw this was answered in a comment below.
The answer is yes for anyone else looking for this answer 😊
Just bought a bunch of this gear and looking forward to setting it all up. One question...If the X32 doubles as both FOH and IEM, is the splitter necessary? Do you have a video on how to run your own FOH AND IEMs with the X32?
Nope, it’s only if you need to split: In Ear Monitor Rack SPLITTERS - Your Questions Answered
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Excellent as always! The splitter is just if your sound man is actually at the so called FOH right? If you’re doing everything yourself on stage you wouldn’t need it correct?
Thanks dude.
Yup, that’s correct!
Great video and very informative. Is it possible to use an analog mixer in an IEM setup? Something like the Yamaha MGP32X
Yup, you can do this with an analog mixer as well 👍 Just make sure you have enough aux/send channels and it’s the same process
@@ScottUhlMusic Alright. Thanks.
This is the best guide that I found so far! It is not require to use the Ultranet setup although the Ultranet still make a lot more sense but it will be whole lot more expensive 😂
Currently my stage snake does not have the 2-ways split therefore I am thinking to use the ART S8 to split the outputs of the stage snake. Maybe I will get at least 2 of em which total of 16 channels. Or simply, I will get the exactly the same stage snake like yours 😁
Just wondering, is there any better alternative for this?
Yup, I have a video about this that I use for Ultranet: A Device to SIMPLIFY Your IN-EAR MONITOR Setup - MIDAS 4816-O Splitter
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Hey Scott great video. Can you link the cable you used for HX Stomp to the splitter? Thanks
Link the cable? I’m sure I understand what you mean
The most common method for these stompboxes is a quarter-inch cable from the stompbox into a DI box, then an XLR cable from the DI Box to the mixer (or splitter in your case). If the pedal has an XLR output, you can skip the DI box and go straight from the stompbox to the splitter.
Would you send phantom power from the FOH or from the monitor mixer? These videos have been extremely informative, thanks for taking the time to make them!
I always turn on the phantom power on the behringer x32 when I need it 👍
These videos are super helpful! Is it typical to send strictly a dry split to FOH? Is there a way to send over a split with the vocal effects/EQ mix or is that not really done? Thanks
Usually the FOH guy wants a completely dry signal in order to mix it themselves for what’s best for the room 👍
Scott this a great video! It really helped bridge the gaps for me in putting my IEM system together. Out of curiosity, if you want to run a stereo mix to your wireless monitor system, I’m using the Sennheiser G4 and the X32 rack, do you have to run to XLR cables out of the X32 and into the G4? If so, can that be done out of outputs 1 & 2?
Glad it helped you! And yes for a stereo out you need 2 outputs from the x32 into 2 inputs of the G4 systems 🤘
@@ScottUhlMusic thanks!
Hi! Very useful your video ! Thanks.
I want to buy the splitter.
Do you recommend the floor siesmic splitter or a Behringer ms8000 or art S8 ?
Thanks.
I use the Art S8 personally and I love it 🤘 I go over my exact setup in this video: th-cam.com/video/ZVWjseFbmQQ/w-d-xo.html
Hey,
Heres the (annoying) guy from the 1st video of this series. Just wanted to let you know that I think I figured it out and I just realised how funny your vids are. And now actually also understand what you explain in this video. Thanks for the advice. And I can't see how old this video right now but keep it up, it's actually really good explained in a, atleast my opinion really funny way!
Come for the info, stay for the memes 🤘 thanks, glad to help!
this is awesome man.. thanks a lot. I have a question, what if the musician want stereo mix? do we have to use 2 aux output?
Yup that’s correct. In the x32 you can pair channel 1&2 or 3&4 etc to be run in stereo, or you can set it mono and have channel 1 be it’s own mix, channel 2 be it’s own mix, etc
@@ScottUhlMusic thanks a lot for the explanation!
So I wanted to ask you if we all had DIs/splitters individually, as well as modelers like for guitar/bass etc, could we just run our mix as a group on stage, and FOH use their normal lines like if we didn't have an IEMs at all? Some of our gigs have very limited PAs and we have DIs possible from bass, gtrs, and snare/triggers from the drums. Could we just split individually like normal to the FOH and do our own thing? Or is that not recommended? Very informative and great video that made me understand a lot of things
I guess you could do it that way. You would just have to run multiple outputs either way. With the splitter, all the cables/splits are in one location which usual makes things MUCH easier to setup
@@ScottUhlMusic Fair enough and that's a good point. I just wanted to ask if it were possible if need be. Thank you 😊
Awesome. I imagine I could do this (without needing the splitter) directly out of my midas 32r board. Probably have to plug it into an external router (bus).
If you don’t need to split to FOH and run the sound yourself, then you are correct, you do not need a splitter
@@ScottUhlMusic thanks! I have some Sony earbuds I like. I’m just trying to figure out the cheapest way to run two mixes without extra hardware. For now I’ll run a monitor mix out of the headphone jack into a headphone splitter. I guess.
@@ScottUhlMusic I need a video for that, I just bought an XR18 with the belief that musicians can mix their own monitors.
Thanks for you help. I’ve used your advice for years but things have changed. I used to play gigs with the same band and the same pa. Easy peasy. Now, I play festival stuff with a 10 min setup between bands! Plugging in a 16 channel splitter box is NOT an option. I’d love to just mix my own mix on my tablet but it never works out. Lost wifi password is the most common excuse but really the lack of time is the issue.
Sooooo, here’s the plan:
1) Velcro a Rolls PM 351 Personal Monitor System to my keyboard,
2) Vocal Mic and keys into the Rolls PM351 and thru to the PA,
3) Split off the stage wedge monitor line and plug it into the Rolls Monitor LINE IN,
4) Ask sound guy to copy and paste the main mix to my wedge, and
5) mix a combo of MIC, INST, and MONITOR on the Rolls to my IEMs
If I can’t tap into the monitor mix my back up plan is to run a LINE OUT from my Zoom recorder into the LINE IN on the Rolls and point the Zoom in the least offensive sounding direction.
Splitting off the monitor line is probably going to sound the best but I’m not sure what gear I would need depending on whether I’m dealing with powered, unpowered, bi amped and the varied connectors involved. Suggestions would be appreciated.
Man, the number of times I’ve updated my IEM setup to fit my needs. Haha, I couldn’t even count. It really all depends on what you are trying to do, accepting that it will never be perfect, and communicate with sound guys ahead of time. That’s the best advice I’ve found
@@ScottUhlMusic Will do.
Question about routing cables on stage.
We have a rack splitter and we'll generally be using the venue's mics for vocals.
Would we unplug the mic on stage, run that cable to our splitter, then run our own cable back to the mic?
Yup 👍
Hey Scott, I'm a big fan. Your in ear videos are all very helpful and easy to understand even to someone with very little knowledge of the subject.
I know you probably won't see this comment but I might as well try asking... Are DI boxes necessary in this setup? If I have back vocal tracks, synths (that are played) and playback samples coming out of my Scarlett 18i20. Do I need to first plug them into a DI box then go into a splitter, or can I just get 1/4 TRS - XLR cables and just go straight from my Scarlett outputs into the splitter (art s8) inputs with those tracks?
Thanks for the videos!
You don’t always need a direct box, no. 👍 but they are helpful!
@@ScottUhlMusic Haha wow, you truly are amazing man, answering my comment on such an old video. Thanks! So you're saying I'd be fine just going straight into the art s8 splitter from my Scarlett outputs (for tracks/click/synths)?
Should be fine 🤘
Great job. Thanks. We are a four piece band, running p16m. I’m wanting to run my Beat buddy out so it only goes to the P16M’s. And run a second cable out of the beat buddy direct to the PA. THE beat buddy has two 1.4 inch outs and I’m running both through a A B switch. I can’t seem to get the routing correct. No matter what do, I get both out the PA . Any suggestions appreciated.
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Which mixer are you using for going to the PA?
Amazing video, quick question what are the benefits and downsides to using a splitter? Why not just use the outs on the X32?
Thanks! You need the splitter if you are sending signal to front of house to be mixed. If you are doing a show where you are running sound, you do not need a splitter 👍
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks for the response! Do you think I could use 6 of the XLRs outs to send each instrument out to front of house instead of the splitter?
@@kevinmundarain7572 Front of House usually really prefers to have a clean split so they can do their own EQ,Comp,Verb,Gain, etc. So if you are coming out of the outputs you would just make sure it's set to pre-eq/comp/etc so you are sending a completely dry signal to them so they can mix it for what sounds best in their system.
@@ScottUhlMusic great advice thank you so much!
Hi Scott,
Wonderful video, I do have a question however. I have gone ahead and purchased the componants. But they didnt have any splitter snakes available so I have purchased a Behringer SD8, i thought perhaps the digital signal through the single Cat5 to the x32 digital mixer and then the physical XLR outputs to the FOH could be an advantage. Have you got any experience with this? Would it work or would they not be split signals?
Hey man, I wish something would work like that. I personally don’t think it would. Although I guess it depends on how many inputs/outputs you have. You could send out the outputs and the aux outs if that worked for your setup, but that’s very limited and it means it still goes into your mixer. Usually the FOH wants a dry split, so it doesn’t touch your rack at all
Hi all! I recently found this channel and it has been a lifesaver as my band looks to upgrade our IEM rig.
We're looking at the X32 Rack, and I'm having difficulty figuring out if it will meet our specific needs. We're a 5-piece that runs separate wired stereo IEM mixes, so 10 total outputs needed (with our current setup, two of us have to share a mix). Additionally, we prefer to reserve two XLR outs to feed wedges in our practice space. Can we use three pairs of XLR outs and two pairs of Aux outs on the X32 for our IEM? I've downloaded the X32 Edit software and am trying to familiarize myself with how the routing for that could work (if it can work at all).
Yes you can 👍 and glad you have enjoyed the channel!
Great video Scott.
Couple extra tips gained from experience...
1) use a label maker to label each of the inputs on the snake box and the plugs on the FOH end of the split snake with the name of what’s plugged into that channel. This makes it WAY quicker for the FOH sound guy to connect to his system. He shouldn’t necessarily be matching up the channel numbers. Instead he’s matching the vocal or guitar to the channel he uses for that in his system that might be a different number than the channel number that the bands mixer uses.
I’ve had it happen too often that the band uses channel 1 for vocals and the FOH guy uses his channel one for kick drum. The stage hand matched up the numbers (instead of the names) and the vocals are coming through the FOH kick drum channel. Oops.
Also consider calling things by generic names when labeling. “Center vocal” instead of “Steve vocal”. The sound guy doesn’t always know the guys names but he does know who’s standing center stage.
2) another good choice for digital mixers is the somewhat older school digital mixers with actual moving faders. Examples are Yamaha O1V96 or the Behringer X32 (there are versions that fit a slant top rack).
Advantages are that you don’t need to mess with WiFi and possible interference. Also some of these can be picked up used these days really cheap.
Disadvantage is that to adjust you need to walk over and push the faders around since you’re not using the phone or iPad apps. (Put it in a slant top rack placed in the Backline on the stage by the guitar amps or drums ... it’s now similar to adjusting a guitar amp.)
Get out the label maker and label the aux buttons with the band members name. When Steve wants to change his mix he needs to make sure the aux button with his name is lit up first. If not, push it so It lights up. The faders snap to his settings and he can move them around.
Great advice for sure! And yeah I should have said use a label maker and label the NAMES of the cables... like "cable 1 - Kick" "cable 2 - Snare" etc. Thanks for sharing, great advice!
Great video!
I’m only looking to to have wired monitoring for band rehearsals
3 Hx Stomps
3 vocals.
Everyone using headphones.
Would I still need the split snake for this?
I just want to be able for everyone to have their own mix.
Nope, no split snake is required! You only need a split snake if you are going to send the signal separately to front of house. If you do shows with your own PA (you guys mix the FOH), or for just rehearsal, you do not need a splitter.
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks. I tried plugging my Hx stomps into a Behringer mixer and using a headphone amp to send to everyone. But it was so crackly and distorted it was impossible to play. On the Behringer Air series this isn’t a problem?
That sounds like a gain staging problem. Your gain was too high. You can also set the output to different levels (mic/line/instrument). That’s under your global settings. I did a video on global settings here: th-cam.com/video/pg2VdBX7tBo/w-d-xo.html
But that sounds very much like a gain or impedance issue
Just had a few different questions. 1) What exactly is the patch bay being used for and would it be necessary for me to get one? 2) Me and my band don't usually run our own sound we've been playing at venues that have a house PA and board, how would this concept work in that sense, would they have to unplug their cables and plug our snake cables into their mixer? Just trying to get an idea on how the whole process would work when we got to a venue that has their own house PA and mixer. Other than that your video has been extremely helpful!!
1) patch bay was just to get the cables into the mixer, I’ve updated it since then
2) that’s what the splitter is for. And yes they would plug your splits into their snake or however they get the signal
My updated video on my rack might help: th-cam.com/video/ZVWjseFbmQQ/w-d-xo.html
Thanks a bunch!!
What would you suggest if you're playing a show with multiple bands, but you are the only band running clicks/tracks? Stage is already set up with mics, DI boxes, etc. into a cable snake box. Do you unplug from their snake box into your splitter? I'm sure most sound techs wouldn't care for that.
Let the venue know ahead of time your plans. Send a stage plot and all that stuff. It truly depends on the venue and the set changeover time. A lot of venues do this stuff all the time, other times engineers get upset about it. It just depends on
Great video mate! 15ft splitter seems quite short though to reach the front of house mixer. Do you link the XLRs to additional XLRS to reach it?
Most of the time, they have a snake on the stage or to the side of the stage, so you have the in ear rack live near their snake. I don’t think I’ve ever ran into a situation where I needed to run more than 15 ft 👍
@@ScottUhlMusic I'll keep that in mind! Looking at doing this soon. Your video helped loads! I've got the sennheiser I.e.m e300 G3 system. It'll be good to finally put it to use
Can’t go wrong with those ew300s 🤘 they’re so good
@@ScottUhlMusic I've had it for about 10 years and I've never used it as the band that I was in called it a day. Going to put it to use soon and I can't wait! We're getting the X32 as well. What's the sound quality like with that unit?
Love the x32 rack. Can’t beat it imo. Although to be fair, I haven’t used too many other ones. But I love it
Our band bought an XR18 and looking to get into something similar!
Good choice! That was the first system I used that first made me aware of this type of setup. My drummer bought one, and got me hooked 🤘
@@ScottUhlMusic We aren't playing shows now (obviously, thanks Covid19) but the next step for me would be figuring out the splitter situation. I thought I needed something different than what was recommended in your video but the seismic stuff seems to be the ticket. The only thing with these setups that seems troublesome to me is, gigs vary wildly, and you might roll up to a gig and the sound system/guy/person is not capable of working with the setup for whatever reason....
Yeah, like I mention in the video if they already ran the cables, they can get upset. Or just the general grump sound guy that we’ve all dealt with at some point. But they shouldn’t have to run cables using the splitter... they just plug direct into their board using their side of the splitter. Assuming they have the proper inputs. That’s why I always say let them know ahead of time. Always let them know and always bring a stage plot with an input list
@@DavidMacVicar There's a difference between the sound guy CAN'T work with your splitter and when the sound guy simply doesn't want to because he's a crusty old grumpy dude. Thats where your skills as a diplomat come in. As Scott says, Make it super easy. Send a stage plot with an input list ahead of time. Make sure the stage plot is clear that your bringing your own self contained IEM rig and you'll be giving them a labeled snake tail.
If he can plug in cables, He can plug in the cables from your snake tail instead. There shouldn't be any systems out there that can't accept your XLR connectors from the snake tail. Especially if you've brought ALL of your own drum mics, direct boxes and other needed gear, you make his life WAY easier. Assuming that your mics aren't junk quality. Try to bring good stuff that they shouldn't be able to complain about. That cheap Radio Shack mic from 1978 probably won't sound great on your Kick Drum.
Why would a sound guy complain that he only needs to plug in a well labeled snake tail? ... Since the band already plugged everything else in otherwise.
Trick for quick changeovers in a festival situation. Sound guys usually LOVE THIS. They usually have a set of drum mics set up for all the bands to use. It takes time to move the stands around or attach the clip to the drum rims during the changeover. So... When you set up your drum kit offstage while the previous band is playing, Pre-attach YOUR drum mics using the clips that go onto the drum rims. No drum mic stands needed. (we even used a clamp with a gooseneck to attach the hi hat mic pointing up from below the hi hat) Pre-attach cables and leave them coiled up around the mics. During changeover, when you plop the drums onto the stage, it takes 3 seconds to grab the cables and plug in the other end into your snake box. Then you probably only have about 3-4 other cables that need to be run to your snake box from the vocals and guitars. The sound check is now just a line check to see that something didn't get forgotten to be plugged in. The mix is probably REALLY close in the monitors. You won't need to play 3 songs and keep asking the sound guy to fix monitor mixes for 5 guys in front of 3000 people. He just mixes the band and half a song in it sounds great out front.
Great video. Do you know how this would work if you only have 1 mixer? as in the mixer for FOH is also used to control IEM. we’re in a church setting so we never move our setup unless we play live somewhere. we’re currently running the X32 Behringer (not the rack, it’s the other one…don’t know the name…)
Yup, you do not need the splitter if you are always going to control FOH sound as well 👍
Hi there Scott. Question 🙋♂️. I have a very small band with my two sons. Drums, bass and elect guit. With 3 vocals.
We don’t do any live gigs, just home rehearsals... I was wondering if there’s a way to use our iPods pro as ear monitors. That would be an interesting video tutorial 😅.
Great video btw.
Hi JC, glad you are enjoying the IEM videos. I'm not sure I'm understanding your question. You want to use your iPOD (iPOD correct, not iPhone or iPad) for in-ear monitors? You said iPod "Pro" so do you mean iPad Pro?
I think he believes the iPod can be used for a monitor amp, of sorts. NO! That WILL give you latency if you even get it to work. You’ll all be out of time with each other.
Thanks for a very instructional video - one question. My band only has the X32 Rack and no splitter - we'll run our sound from the X32 as well as the monitors (some people have IEM's and others will still have to use a floor wedge). Can we still mix our own IEM's?
Yup absolutely. You only need the splitter if you are sending the signal to FOH for another guy to mix the audio. If you guys do that yourself, you do not need the splitter at all
@@ScottUhlMusic - THANKS! I'm a trumpet player and JUST got my first IEM's system and super excited to these up and running so I can mix the horn section like I like in my monitor. I think it will help us tremendously.
Hey Scott! Would you recommend getting a rackmountable Multi channel DI too? I’m trying to figure out if I need a di before the splitter snake to help prevent degrading audio (in a scenario where a sound man takes the other half of the splitter snake). For practice (where we are only using our in ear rig) it all seems to work fine plugging straight in but I could see there being issues at a venue. I don’t want to buy anything extra that I don’t need though so thought I’d seek your advice. Any thoughts on this/ what instruments would or would not benefit from a DI?
It really depends, but in my opinion it doesn’t sound like you need the DI if I’m understanding correctly
My question made it sound like the rig is just for practicing, but I meant to say that I intended to use it live. So I actually did get one. It's been working fine. It might be not always necessary, but I'm glad to have it in case there needs to be long cable runs.
For the outputs. If we want a stereo mix to the IEMs, we would have to connect output 1/2 to IEM unit one, 3/4 to IEM unit two and so on, correct?
Yup that’s correct. You need two sends for stereo and just 1 send for mono. This setup I do in this video is for mono 👍
Hi Scott,
do you have any issues/solution with mic-bleed and In Ears?
I m a Singer in a Metalband and I can hear the cymbals of the drums basically anytime. I use just my microphone Shure SM58 and 2 guitars (D.I.) and the click in my mix (Behringer XR18). It's still way too loud for me because of the cymbals. My ears hurt and I have to lower the mic signal in my mix. Therefore I have to rely on a floor monitor for some extra vocal volume.
Do you have any solution/suggestion here?
Thanks for your awesome work!
Yeah that’s a tough part. We have four singers in the front of the stage (all in front of the drummer) in one of my bands. I have them in my ears and there is always bleed from drums. I turn the drum mics off in my ears. Scooping out some high end can help for sure, but I haven’t figured that out yet. That’s part of the problem with drums and how loud they are by design
Hey Scott. Appreciate the video, I have a few questions though. For IEM's demonstrated in the video, you guys are currently running mono, any plans on switching to a stereo mix? Also, with the Sennheiser receiver how do manage with batteries, do you keep rechargeable ones or dispose of them after every 2-3 gigs?
You can do stereo if you want, that’s an easy fix. You just have to buy more transmitters. Mono has always been fine for me. And for batteries I have a ton of rechargeable ones. I have enough for every wireless that I have as well as a full backup for every single one haha. Always have a backup, and I charge the used ones after every gig (even if we only do an hour or two).
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks for your valuable reply. The only thing that's mainly stopping me from buying a wireless IEM pack is the battery convenience. I'm a keyboardist and sometimes have a Mainstage + 2 hardware keyboards that I gig with. So I have to mix them in the X32 Rack and send it to FOH. Sometimes when it's an analog console being used for FOH I ask for an aux return with my required signals back into the x32 rack which feeds into an mixbus with the keys. The thing is I am using the X32 rack's built in headphone output and I can't move around a lot with it (really annoying as I sometimes need to direct on stage and move from time to time for things). So I was looking for a wireless solution but was concerned with the battery convenience. What do you recommend for me. Would like to hear your answer. Ps, Everything is rack mounted with an additional power conditioner.
If your main concern is batteries, get the rechargeable ones off Amazon, and get one of the 12-18 battery chargers there too. They aren’t that expensive, and that’s what I use for my gigs 🤘
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks Scott. Appreciate your reply.
Just a quick one. I wanted to use more stereo outputs(7 stereo). Is there anyway that I can use the S32 digital stage box and get those outputs?
Yup!
Do you have to have a router to link up the app and the system? Just thinking that some venues prob won't route an ethernet cable for a tiny band...
Yes you’ll need a router. But you supply the router and connect it to your mixer. The venue doesn’t need the router. The router is for you to mix your ears. The FOH gets a separate mix because of the splitter. They don’t need access to the router for their mixing 👍
Scott! Question.. on the back I see there are 6 aux ins and 6 aux outs along with 6 outs, the stereo main and I see a monitor left and right next to the TalkBack input. Can those monitor left tand right be a separate assignable stereo out? Or can the front headphone out be assigned to that monitor to be another stereo out?
Yeah you can use the aux out and the xlr outs as different in ear monitor outs if that’s what you plan to route them for 👍 I had to do that when we performed as a 7 piece and I ran out of outputs haha
@@ScottUhlMusic awesome! Yeah we are a 6 piece and everyone prefer a stereo mix so they can have everything in one ear and their stuff in the other ear.
I have a question...the band manager for one of the artists I play for asked me to pull down some of my drum cam videos because they had click and guide in them. He didn't want me posting videos that "give away the secrets" of how the show works. What do you suggest I do so I can send an audio source to my camera that doesn't have the click and guide? I use a 12 channel mixer and have the monitor in channel one and go out of the mains into the camera. I don't have separate auxes on the mixer. There's an FX send but it only goes mono which would make my videos sound funny having only the left channel producing sound. I thought maybe using a Rolls Amp with 2 headphone jacks and sending one to my mixer for my monitor and the other to the camera and asking for a 2nd line exclusively for click? We're talking about getting our own monitor system like what you demonstrated here as well.
Without separate auxs or sends, I do not believe you will be able to. You need to be able to chose what to send. Even a smaller mixer should have an aux send or something like that and then you can chose which channels go to your camera 👍
Does that mean you have click coming out the main PA speakers? Definitely not a good scenario.
I am hoping to get an in ear setup I can use with a variety of styles. All loud: Concert band, Jazz ensembles, small groups, Dixie bands going hard lol. Only my rock gigs have an in ear setup. All other gigs I usually wear the beige plugs and play by smell. Assuming no PA I do it all for myself, Would I need a small mixer with mic to hear the group and some in ears?
You can always do a diy IEM setup, or just ask for a mix from the board as well. Or ask the sound guy to send you an IEM mix instead of a wedge mix
@@ScottUhlMusic yeah there's no sound guy giving a mix. There's me i .e. next to 3 tubas splitting-open-the-earth loud. So this problem exists for players gigging away from the "band on stage with monitors and a sound guy" luxury. How to devise a way to protect ourselves and also hear wtf is going on. I could use my zoom f3 and adjust a mic level to myself and monitor that way. Idk, maybe someone here will have an idea. So a freelancer, always playing in different formats that are also too loud but no sound guy to count on for a feed. Thanks.
You could try something like this: th-cam.com/video/5I6wwFV3ETg/w-d-xo.html
Hey bud do you absolutely need a patch bay and a splitter? It seems like you should just be able to manage with the aux outs.
If you always are the one in control of your sound (you guys provide PA, and you are never sending the signal to FOH to be mixed) then yes, you do not need the splitter. I'd say 95% of the shows I do, we do not need a splitter. But there are 5% of shows where we do need one. So it's up to you for sure!
Hi Scott…just subscribed and late to the party. Preguntas: I wanted to use a personal mixer (I play the guitar/bass guitar/bass synth/sax or use a cardioid mic - a lot sh*t, I know), and I wanted to buy a Boss Gigcaster. The idea is to use one auxiliary input for me and select channels for different instruments. Can I still use just one IEM, send to my mixer, use one aux in the splitter, and switch channels for different instruments? Or do you recommend plugging in all my instruments into splitters w/o a mixer for myself? Thank you
Also, I’m buying a Behringer 18X, Sennheiser 300, rack, splitter, and external router. Thanks for the advice
Thanks for the sub! I’m not familiar with the GigCaster, but as for splitting, you only need the splitter if you are sending a signal separate to FOH. If you control the FOH sound, you won’t need the split and can do whatever you need. Hopefully this video helps: th-cam.com/video/E8DIBUAZvP8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Ti89yXN43EtPg53J
A little. I wish to use an IEM and send a separate ‘bundled’ signal to FOH. If you know, can I use the same IEM (same as the band) for a personal digital mixer (which will hopefully bundle all my instruments). Other words, can I use one IEM to switch btw different instruments connected to a personal mixer, and still send a signal to the FOH? Or is it’s best to get a bigger personal mixer just for the bands’ IEM and send the personal mixer signal to the FOH?
Thank you for response.
I can easily get 6 stereo in ear mixes using the xlr outs and 1/4 inch outs right? Do I understand it correctly that outputs(xlr) and aux outs (1/4inch) work the same way, just different plugs? (Granting I use TRS for the 1/4 inch outs of course)
Yes, you can do that with the x32 👍
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks Scott!
Is it possible to send out a stereon in ear mix by using out 1 & 2 and link them? Is it then also possible to use the aux outputs alongside the normal outputs? When I wanna use stereo outputs and I have 7 musicians, the standard 8 outputs won't cut it...
Yup, both are correct 👍
@@ScottUhlMusic Great! That means I have enough outputs, sweet. Just hook up a double female xlr to stereo jack adapter probably?
ok, what I'm confused about is line level feeds. We have keys and I like to take DI from the back of some amps. In those situations, is it better to have something like the Art S8 which has a -29db pad? Or is the Behringer MS8000 good enough as its a third of the cost but it doesn't have a pad. Any feedback would be appreciated?
You should be able to just adjust the gain accordingly for the inputs. I love the Art S8, and haven’t used the behringer one, so I’m not sure on that.
@@ScottUhlMusic thanks Scott, that’s what I was thinking, and in the case of keys, a DI box would make it a mic signal, correct? What kind of situations, if any, do you find yourself using the -db pad? I’ve heard people finding the ground lift helpful. But haven’t heard anyone comment on the -db pad being used. Just curious… (I’m a novice so sorry for stupid questions)
Hey Scott, question…we are using one transmitter for two receivers. So, mono but in both ears. I can’t figure out how to pan. Is that possible? We have 2 guitars and I’d like one L75/R25 and mine L25/R75. What I found was in this method, panning just increased or decreased the total volume (not panned) depending on which one was panned left or right.
If your IEM system does not have panning, you canNOT use the 1 transmitter 2 monitor track I do in this video: th-cam.com/video/A7Drmjn6vsQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_zkNpCVGbKWyJ9zD
@@ScottUhlMusic we’re using the Shure PSM300 and it does have panning. But when I attempt to pan L or R, it just reduces or increases volume in both ears. Our receivers are set to 100 left or right. Then we’re attempting to pan an instrument to a specific IEM L or R from the M32 IEM iPad mix. That’s when it just changes volume. Does that make sense?
Do you need to mixers then ? One for the busses and then one for FOH ? Also, will the routers conflict ?
You do not need two mixers. You get control over the buses and the FOH separately.
Can one X32 serve both as the FOH mixer AND the IEM monitor mix?
Yup!
can i connect my shure psm200 to the aux out (jack cable) instaed of the xlr out of the x32 rack? sorry im used to connecting to an aux out
I believe so yes. I’m almost positive you can, I just haven’t done that yet. I believe it’s under routing
On the x32 your XLR outputs can be your aux outs. Just route them that way.
OK, our drummer bought one of the X32s and is under the impression that you can do a FOH AND Monitor mix with this unit (Tablet for FOH and phone App for IEM mixes). Is this true?
Yup, absolutely!
I saw another video where the split occurs at source. No split snake or re-routing the stage required. So the vocals can have a split at the mics. Bass has an extra DI. Guitar sends line out of the cab to the IEM .... This seems cheaper and way easier for the front of house. Am I missing something? Very much trying to keep my costs to a minimum! Any help on this would be much appreciated. Many thanks. :)
If you can do that, that would work as well. But the seismic audio floor split is quite affordable as well
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks for that Scott. My keys player suggests this route would lose audio quality and that the splitter won't annoy sound techs too much ... Thanks again and I will look into the product you suggested. 👍
This is very interesting--my band is considering this and we appreciate the info! Question: why is the splitter necessary? Can't the band plug their instruments into the 18 ins and connect their in-ears to the 6 aux outs and the FOH go out through the regular PA outs? Isn't that sufficient? Thanks so much!
If you do that, you’ll be sending the sound guy just a left and right signal and he will have zero control over drums/bass/vocals/separate instruments, etc. most sound guys prefer the split, but I have had a few places where they actually said “just send me L and R” but it’s very rare. I did open for an artist who was just sending a stereo send to the FOH and he actually worked with a sound guy for a month to super dial in his show in order to get it sounding good. Also, if your band IS the sound guy, you do not need the splitter. So it’s possible, for sure. But most of the time, you need the splitter for the sound guy
@@ScottUhlMusic ah, thanks! I believe my band is the sound guy. That is, we're playing small venues and using our own Behringer XL18 and PA system. So no splitter needed. Thanks again for the well-produced video and your reply!
@@briangray4640 Yup, you'll be good then and do not need the splitter. 🤘
Hey! Hopefully you still reply but I’m a rapper and i work with 2 others, we each have stereo iems coming from the aux outputs 1,2, and 3 on the x32, wireless mics going into xlr inputs 1,2, and 3. If i connect a MacBook thru the usb to make the x32 a digital interface can’t i just route the kick, snare, 808, etc to different xlr outputs on the x32 and use a snake to send the individual stems to FOH? I’m confused what the point of the splitter is, also would i be able to process vocals as well on the MacBook nothing crazy but like auto tune eq etc before going to our in ears and foh?
Can you use a XVIVE systems for the in ear systems?
Yes, just keep it away from a router since it’s on 2.4Ghz: th-cam.com/video/RCrFKKr8WUA/w-d-xo.html
Hello we use the same gear here in our band. Somehow it seems like changes FOH makes reflect in our ears.. Is there a routing component to all this. Do the aux sends need to be pre fader? Any help would be great. Thanks.
This is a common problem. You need to set the inears/aux to "PRE FADER." So that means that whatever the master fader is doing has no effect on what the faders for the inears do.
Keep in mind that if you use the same mixer for your ears and the FOH, changes to the gain WILL affect the ear mixes. Even with the aux sends in prefader mode.
Have you ever run into issues with the FOH house sound system when phantom power being supplied from the x32?
No, I never have. But phantom power can be a little bizarre sometimes for sure 👍
@@ScottUhlMusic Thank you for the reply. I really appreciate it!
According to Dave Ratt, having both the mixers provide the phantom power does nothing detrimental to equipment. In other words, the two together don’t add voltage-wise. They would add current-wise only. So, you’ll still get +48vdc to the mic or whatever.