Stan's Batman got tough enough in prison that he could've just taken down Handz whenever he felt like it. But no, getting the mansion first was an integral part of the plan lol
@@nehemiahpouncey3607 And also possibly The Chief in The Doom Patrol. Although as I remember he wasn’t a telepath, he was bound to a Wheelchair though and set up a home and training center for super powered misfits, (but not mutants.)
In an era of reality television that encouraged contestants to behave in the worst, most selfish, pettiest way possible Who Wants to be a Superhero rewarded selflessness and generally acting heroic. It was a real breath of fresh air.
Really liked Major Victory in Season 1. He was just a fun guy to be around. Even when he got eliminated, he was able to get everyone to smile at the end.
@@Thederanged1 what else but a knight in golden armor? A kraken for Seattle and....wait, what? WHAT? How in the world did they get a hockey team before Québec City 30 years effort to gain their team back????
The way I worked on DR droom is be more like John constantine and have him be related toKulan Gath due to learning he was Blood related to him and Have him set up a magic business to deal with magical dangers that doctor strange can't do
I don't think any of those creators were Dutch or spoke Dutch . . . . The Yiddish word differs ("khlum" in the Roman Alphabet . . . . not sure Ukrainian . . . .
It seems to me that Stan Lee just liked being known as the “Marvel creator” so he had no problem cameoing in basically every Marvel movie regardless if he had anything to do with the characters
I remember him saying he gladly would take the chance to do cameos on DC movies too if they invited him, so he just wanted to be comicbook based movies Waldo I think
@@ShinmslHe also appeared as narrator in many of his shows, a lengthy appearance in Muppet Babies and lets not forget his Simpsons appearance. Even extended it to his wife. Madam Web was based on Joan and she even voiced her on Spider-Man. Wouldn’t you love to live in Freakazoid’s world where even a fanboy doesn’t know who he was?
Are you implying that Stan Lee was willing to take credit for other people’s work and politicking his way into a position where he is can be given far more credit than he’s due while those who do the actual work can die penniless while he gets rich and famous? Because, well, yeah. Exactly.
It should also be noted that feedback's powers were supposed to be copying the powers of video game charters but in the comic he just zapped people with electricity.
That’s exactly what I was thinking! I know it’s probably down to Stan being an old man with little knowledge of them viddy games and such, but it still seemed like a wasted opportunity to not incorporate Videogames into Feedback’s power set. I would love to see another writer with actual knowledge of/respect for video games to re-imagine Feedback.
@@Nocturne22I mean, they could easily get around that by either him getting powers from the genres of games Feedback plays (I.e. platformers give him the powers to jump high and fall from great hight without getting hurt, ruthenium games giving him super reflexes etc), or use copyright safe expys of popular video games and characters.
@@SuperSongbird21 dial h for hero sorta does a similar thing by making up superheroes that parody the style of real ones for the dial holder to turn into
Rumor has it that Stan took the role in The Ambulance (and wasn't the at least another movie he was in around that time?) to have some acting experience under his belt before acting as J.Jonah Jameson in the Spider-man that James Cameron was soon making. But that project fell apart as we all know, however, I think Stan playing Jonah could've been cool, I've always thought Steve Ditko created Jonah just a caricature of Stan himself
I remember an interview with Stan Lee where he even mentions he's all set to play J.J..... then oddly posing with his hands in the Spider-Man web shooting pose.
The Bat-man story does have SOME basis in reality. At least with that Warden story. Many years ago at a Texas prison a female correctional officer was attacked by an inmate that was trying to rape\kill her. Another inmate who was working as a janitor on the cell block came to her rescue and saved her life. The prison system worked hard to get his sentence reduced and he eventually paroled out.
Yeah its not unheard of for shit like that to happen. Lots of prisoners get released early or pardoned for doing some great deed or even because of mass public sympathy
Hey, Who Wants To Be a Superhero was pretty good, in the context of its time. Some of the contestants used tried and true tactics of reality show vermin, only to get told by Stan "Hey, did you forget the part about being heroes, not villains?" and kicked out.
Reminds me of Steven Spielberg's reality show "On the Lot" . Not only were the contestant films hilarious trash, but Spielberg looked so bummed out to have to be there in the final episode.
@@BrianGeers It was so staged I couldn't suspend my disbelief. And I'm a comic book fan. One guy got kicked off for NOT revealing his secret identity. Stan said "heroes are supposed to be honest." wtf???
@@gridlo Oh, the rules were arbitrary as heck, no lie. I think I remember the third place guy essentially just got kicked off for his concept being too derivative (despite being probably the strongest talent on the show). The show was total nonsense, but it was entertaining nonsense.
Special Mention goes to Stripperella, a stripper super hero who does stripper things and solves stripper related problems. Her villains are also made in poor taste.
I'm a simple man. I see TH-camr upload a video, I use a generic and overused comment before even watching the video to farm likes and feed my dopamine addiction.
What bothers me about Feedback is that, despite saying he gets his powers from Videogames, in his comic he gets struck by lighting, survives and just assumes he got it form the game he was playing. And his actual powers don’t have anything to do with Video games, he just has generic electricity powers. Like, What if instead of just the electricity powers, Feedback could absorb the elect of the games he played and gain the powers of the character he was playing as at the time. Like if he plays a Mario-esque platformer game, he can jump real high, or if he plays a sonic-like game he gains super speed, or he plays an fps game and gains a vast knowledge of firearms. Stuff like that. It just feels like a wasted opportunity that they didn’t lean into the videogame inspiration aspect of Feedback for his power set. I’m sure it would’ve at least made him memorable…
Bro wrote comics about radioactive spiders granting superpowers, mutants, and surgeons becoming sorcerers yet somehow a pro wrestler becoming a millionaire in a few weeks working indy mudshows stiff is the most unrealistic thing he ever wrote.
3:13 No, there were earlier weebs. In the 19th century, the Irish writer Lafcadio Hearn became not only one of the first modern western scholars of Japanese culture, but also married a Japanese woman and moved to Japan and lived there in the last years of his life.
Brought back a lot of memories of varying fondness with Mall Rats, Stripperella, and "Who wants to be a superhero" but I'm really glad I somehow missed the NHL guardians. It looks like the Red Wings had a Star Scream knockoff so that's neat.
If i recalled correctly Stan Lee did the DC after he was let go from Marvel. I think it was basically a figurehead type status at that point. Who wants to be superhero? was cheezy but a posituve cheezy. You couldn't win with underhanded methods you had to act like well a hero. Like that clip with little i think that was from the 1st one . . . the task was like timed go from A to B but there was crying lost little girl. The winners were the ones that helped the girl.
If nothing else, you gotta give it props for being one of the few reality tv competition shows that actively encouraged its contestants to be good people instead of vapid assholes who stir up drama.
I disagree on Batman. The basic idea is pretty strong, it just took a few wrong turns. If they removed the wrestling bit and instead made him an author or something, it could have worked. Here is my short re-write. Everything up to saving the warden is the same. But, instead of being freed by saving the warden his heroic deed brings his case to the attention of a group like the Innocence Project who find new DNA evidence that clears his name. As he is waiting to be released he writes a book about his experiences in prison that becomes a bestseller making him moderately wealthy. Upon his release he starts to advocate for others who have been falsely imprisoned and during the course of his advocacy he finds others who have also been framed by Hands and comes to the conclusion that only a vigilante will be able to take Hands down. That's when he decides to become the Batman. One last thing, I really like how the character really does look like a bat monster. I think it would be cool to play up the "urban legend" element of Batman by having this version pretend to be some kind of super natural monster. That would be cool to me, at least.
Oh damn, forgot about that. Probably one of the best worst endings in comic history. Like it ended terribly, but at least everything got wrapped up in a nice little bow in the end.
7:41 to be fair I could do this after years of reading comics. I could tell who the artist was by the way they illustrated the characters. Most artists have a signature way of how they draw and very distinctive. Like Alex Ross and Jae Lee for example, it’s super obvious they did it, when you see their work.
as a huge fan of hockey and comics I can confirm that the nhl guardians were for no one. I also remember stan writing Ultimo with hiroyuki takei (the guy who made shaman king) and it being unreadable
Me at the start of the Dr Droom backstory: "Well, this is basic and an underbaked version of Dr Strange but I don't see how it's so bad it... 4:12 - Oh no. OH NO! Nope nope nope!
When you read the earliest Lee/Ditko Dr. Strange stories, you notice that Strange's also depicted as a white man who gets yellowfaced after learning the mystic arts, though not to the same extreme.
9:35 A Pamela Anderson cartoon where she's a stripper that fights crime sounds like something you should've elaborated on more than "a bad Batman comic" lol
Another great episode. So yea I designed ( with two really good friends in the comic-book industry) and created those costumes. Along with the ones for Lance Thunder by the promo spot on SyFI network. That was a cool costume and so were the ones on WWTBASH 2 anyways Stan too all the credit on the show which well bothered me at the time but like my friends in the industry said to me “welcome to the club”😂
Only Kevin Smith knew how to write Stan into a movie, he was the only one to see him as a person and not reduce him to his job. He saw the man behind the legend, the person who would create what he did. And as for the other cameos, you have to know that he's just a Marvel brand mascot in those cases, and I see those appearances like when the editors bullpen would be torn up by a supervillain angry at his presentation in an in universe comic. He just lives there, it's not based on direct character creation but a shared universe that goes even beyond the companies that own the movies, as he's in the Fox and Raimi movies as well as the MCU and venom.
Or he just knew how to exploit Stan Lee's kindness, generosity and celebrity for cool points in the fandom. He put Stan Lee in Yoga Hosers, ffs. I call that disrespect.
Nah early in the Fantastic Four’s comic run they introduced the idea of the Marvel Comic company existing in universe based off their adventures and it popped up from time to time. The Impossible Man even wrecked the place until they gave him is his own comic series
c'mon, acting was not his idea he was not trying to break in Hollywood as an actor he just took some jobs he was offered, it can't be classified as his idea also, he was not that bad on those roles
So I worked the MCU for a number of years, the Stan Lee cameo in Antman 2 was on my set. He was basically so ancient by that time, they had only filmed in on green screens saying and doing all this wacky stuff and later they would just film something to place him in, they literally designed those cameos backward from way down the road and then circle back to them and stitched them in.
By far the weirdest Stan Lee cameo was the one in Princess Diaries 2! Also, he co-wrote a YA fantasy adventure novel series inspired by the Chinese Zodiac.
Noooo the guy holding the hotdog in X-men in front of Stan Lee is Brian Peck! Evil human being. Watch the documentary Quiet On The Set if you don't already know
I’m a bit confused on how his acting in the ambulance was bad. I didn’t see bad acting at all I saw a regular actor actually I’m going to have to disagree with you on that one
I actually watched Megasnake just to see Feedback's appearance. I was really puzzled by the movie because I really thought Feedback was going to have a bigger role, but I quickly realized that wasn't going to happen as the movie just continued to be a normal non-superhero movie.
The next sentence after that: "It was a one-shot thing" -- obviously "Working stiff" I understand what you mean (putting a little more mustard on your moves) but the correction: Wayne turns it into a "shoot" (fighting for real)
Stan Lee's Batman and sundry are good stories if you remember that these are more like initial drafts that need some recalibration. The basic ideas are ok.
The Ambulance has Stan Lee and James Earl Jones. So the first cinematic Star Wars/MCU character. Stan Lee as Stan Lee in a parallel dimension to the 616.
Dr. Droom looks like Prof. X, has a name that is one letter off from Dr. Doom, is a magician like strange, has "fantastic" as a prefix, and was created by 3 of the biggest names in comics, crazy stuff there.
Something you forgot to mention about _Who Wants To Be a Superhero_ is that Ellis and Diadoto parodied it during their run on Thunderbolts; part of the in-universe marketing for the team post-Civil War was a reality show where people could audition for a spot on the T-Bolts "backup squad", hosted by Stan the Man.
You missed Ravage 2099. The worst of the 2099 characters. He looked like a homeless Punisher. It was so bad, they changed him to an extreme 90s muscle guy with horns.... in ISSUE 4!!
No. Ravage didn't change into the horned guy until issue 11 or 12, after Lee has finished his run and the comic went to another writer. And personally I love Stan's run on the comic and I think it was an interesting idea to have him ad a sort of ecological warrior. Heck, before he became a hero he was the CEO of a company that was supposed to protect the environment, and before thst he was a veteran of the "Pollution Wars" I think it was called. Makes sense since by 2099 Earth had suffered a major ecological catastrophe. Plus, I can't get enough of how Stan wrote Ravage's voice. Those early issues are my favorite.
@@truefanforum3273 I liked Ravage because it felt like his whole story was his origin story. Shit kept happening and he kept evolving the whole time. His origin story wasn't limited to just Issue 1.
To be fair to 'The Ambulance', it is a Larry Cohen flick. That's the director of such film oddities as 'The Stuff', 'Its Alive', and the absolutely bugfuck insane 'God Told Me To'.
Stan Lee is proof that all you need to do is hit more than you miss, and people will ignore all the failures. Even legends don't knock it out of the park every time.
♦️ *I hate to bring it up; but, yes, you're forgetting the superhero Stan tried to create around Howard Stern. (it never went anywhere) Howard has told the story on air of how excited he was to speak with Stan. But, the story idea couldn't have been more lame.* ♦️
“who wants to be a super hero?” wound up being an unintentionally genius cringe comedy. The show definitely leans into it sometimes but the best moments are when they thought they killed it and it’s just like, a mortifyingly embarrassing moment for everyone involved. I used to watch it with my parents on the syfy channel and back then half of the appeal was so bad it’s good content so it fit right in.
If Dr. Droom kept his original name, he would get into some rather confusing battles and eventual trouble with a certain Latverian dictator clad in iron
I’m just starting this and paused it to predict: Stan’s worst idea was “no costume for superheroes.” It was only fan-letter backlash to “uniform” the FF that changed his mind.
I'm sorry I haven't been an active viewer as of late, I've been dealing with health issues. Coming back and seeing this after missing several videos has made me as happy as a "True Believer", Excelsior! 🤣 Thank you Chris, you've always been an inspiration to me. Keep following your passion, you're a hero to me... 🤩😉
Strange that the Guardian Project came out at almost the same exact time as NFL Rush Zone which also had superheroes called guardians-- it was pretty much the same exact concept but swapping NFL for NHL. It's tempting to accuse one of them for stealing the idea, but they must have been in development at the same time
I do not read more than a handful of comic books a year and yet I’ve somehow found myself in a place where I’m being pushed comic book history content for like 25% of my feed and I’m not hating it
The why Stan made cameos to Deadpool or Venom is simple: It was a Marvel tradition in general. An Deadpool and Venom are Marvel characters so... Ta-da.
Stan Lee definitely benefited from having talented people around him (ie Kirby and Ditko). His persistence and willingness to try new ideas along with his positive attitude and hustle is what made him special, even if those ideas didn’t turn out well some times
I enjoyed Who wants to be a super hero overall. I have the Defuser's autograph. But I was annoyed by each season with bity of hypocrisy written for Stan. He chews out Major Victory for having been a strip-a-gram worke with a giant framed picture picture of Stripperella on the wall behind Stan while he did so. Then in season 2 he criticizes Hyper-Strike for giving out his real last name to kid to bond with the kid about being teased. His last name was Stork. While watching I responded for Hyper-Strike, you know I had dinner with Reed, Sue and Ben and they didn't think it was such a big deal." I wuoldn't have made it on the show. :)
I’ve not read it myself but your breakdown of Stan’s Batman seemed pretty sensible to me. And considering it was a one shot it’s okay that he got rich so quickly. In this case I don’t think he’s even supposed to be a hero it’s pretty much just a revenge story as told by Stan. When I think nonsensical Batman I think of Batman odyssey.
For anyone who doesn't know, Stan also plays the minister at a wedding scene at the end of Princess Bride 2! It has nothing to do with comics, he's just the person who marries the two lead characters!
This has been debunked. Stan saw a panel of Iron Man which had the eye slits really close to the mouth slit and logically asked where his nose was supposed to go. The editor mistakenly assumed that Stan wanted a nose piece on the helmet.
They actually referenced Stan's Soapbox in the Disney XD Spider-Man cartoon (I believe) where the janitor was pretty obviously supposed to be him. One episode had him literally stand on a box labeled "Soap" and start pontificating about something relevant to the episode.
I came across part of an episode one night while flipping through the channels and thought it was hilarious. It was the one where she had to rescue “Richard Slimmons” from Pushy Galore/Octopushy. “Our tests indicate it’s a knock-off of a brand-name bag.” “That’s the most disturbing thing I’ve ever heard.” “Our tests also indicate it’s made from human skin.” “(Beat) Okay, THAT’S the most disturbing thing I’ve ever heard!” 😂
@@karaoconnoraliasraidra 😆 It was a very clever and well-written show. I had written it off upon release but stumbled across it same as you and was glad I did.
@taffysaur yeah, it was really fun as long as you accepted that it was a parody as opposed to a serious superhero show. I feel like a lot of people missed that.
@@nicholasfarrell5981 I’m curious how anyone could hear names like “Richard Slimmons” and “Pushy Galore” and not realize it was parody. (Granted, I’m assuming all the episodes had names and situations like that, but still)
@karaoconnoraliasraidra I wish I could explain it, but alas I cannot. My best guess is that people saw Stan Lee's name and just assumed it was being played straight?
His cameos in Deadpool are cause Deadpool is Marvel, and Stan was essentially Marvel's mascot. His best and most headscratching cameo is in Teen Titans Go! to the Movies
I always thought Dr. Droom should have been Dr. Dread, since people are supposed to dread a bad guy. (And Judge Dread should never have been published.) The Mathew thing, where a kid is a wiz at video games causing the government to recruit him... sounds like a certain film I won't mention, starring a guy last-named Broderick.What's in my archives for Stan Lee films? Well he doesn't act in it, but he is an executive producer for "Stan Lee's Lightspeed." Stars Lee Majors, Nicole Eggert, and one of Sean Connery's kids. On the front cover they tout the smiling one as the sole creator of X-men and Spider-Man, while on the back cover he's listed the same way, only they added that he's also the sole creator of the Fantastic Four! Ex-SELL-sior!
You should do a deep dive into AC Comics. They been around for 40 years, their main title is now up around issue 225, Femforce. And they were the first to really deep dive into using public domain golden age heroes, via the Shroud War Saga. And they still have most of their titles available on their website. Give it a look and let us know what you think.
If the conceit of those comics was that Stan Lee would make new heroes based on the names of popular heroes, I think he should’ve taken the new heroes in entirely different directions. Like this Batman should’ve been inspired by a love of baseball, and carried a Louisville Slugger around to beat up criminals.
In some of them he did. I can't remember much about them, but I do remember that Wonder Woman was literally based around "wondering", and it sorta worked.
Another problem is that DC had already done the same gimmick with Tangent Comics, which meant some of the best "in name only" ideas were already taken by those characters.
Stan's Batman got tough enough in prison that he could've just taken down Handz whenever he felt like it. But no, getting the mansion first was an integral part of the plan lol
And that fancy suit!
His first victory was self improvement his second was improving his financial status his last one was ending that guys life
The best revenge is to live better than your enemies.
He needed to style on him in every way possible first. Honestly, I respect it lol
He should've just stayed a wrestler. Dude became John Cena/Stone Cold level in several weeks.
If Dr Droom had kept his original name he could have had some confusing battles with the Latverian fellow.
He looks like Xavier.
Hahaha
So this is where the template for
Xavier came from?
@@nehemiahpouncey3607 And also possibly The Chief in The Doom Patrol.
@@nehemiahpouncey3607 And also possibly The Chief in The Doom Patrol.
Although as I remember he wasn’t a telepath, he was bound to a Wheelchair though and set up a home and training center for super powered misfits, (but not mutants.)
In an era of reality television that encouraged contestants to behave in the worst, most selfish, pettiest way possible Who Wants to be a Superhero rewarded selflessness and generally acting heroic. It was a real breath of fresh air.
Really liked Major Victory in Season 1. He was just a fun guy to be around. Even when he got eliminated, he was able to get everyone to smile at the end.
I agree! That show always made me happy.
did reality tv ever really _leave_ that era?
I mean, I'd argue NHL Guardians was one of the NHL's worst mistakes. Stan Lee just got offered a gig and took the money.
Through I am curious what a superhero for the Vegas Golden Knights, Seattle Kraken and Utah HC would look like.
@@Thederanged1 Well the superhero for the Vegas Golden Knights belongs to the other guys.
@@Thederanged1 what else but a knight in golden armor? A kraken for Seattle and....wait, what? WHAT? How in the world did they get a hockey team before Québec City 30 years effort to gain their team back????
Maybe Striperella? But yeah, his output in the 2000’s was, uh, not the best .
I imagine a comic book about the Coyote working on keeping the Coyotes in Arizona like the NHL did for a decade or so would be a tinge funny.
Dr. Droom walked so Dr.Strange could run.
The way I worked on DR droom is be more like John constantine and have him be related toKulan Gath due to learning he was Blood related to him and Have him set up a magic business to deal with magical dangers that doctor strange can't do
But Strange levitates
And Max Hea-droom!
Walked on burning coals
Inhumans, stripperella,Niteman.
WTF Stan?
"Oh hi! You caught me defrauding a nursing home. Speaking of stealing money from the elderly, let's talk about Stan Lee!"
Mm😮
Damn 😅😅
Too soon, man!
I wanted to say, having a vile daughter must have been one of his worst mistakes
Captain? Some sauce please?
It is funny Droom is the Dutch word for Dream, which would be a way better name for a sorcerer: doctor Dream
When Stan can't get the rights to
His own work be like:
Dr droom looks like Xavier.
My reply got censored because it contained a link... a TH-cam link. Thompson Twins had a song called 'Don't Mess with Dr. Dream'.
I don't think any of those creators were Dutch or spoke Dutch . . . . The Yiddish word differs ("khlum" in the Roman Alphabet . . . . not sure Ukrainian . . . .
That sounds worse tbh.
It seems to me that Stan Lee just liked being known as the “Marvel creator” so he had no problem cameoing in basically every Marvel movie regardless if he had anything to do with the characters
i think he was green screened into deadpool
I remember him saying he gladly would take the chance to do cameos on DC movies too if they invited him, so he just wanted to be comicbook based movies Waldo I think
@@Shinmsl I belive it he did teem titans go and his line "I don't care that it's dc I love cameos!
@@ShinmslHe also appeared as narrator in many of his shows, a lengthy appearance in Muppet Babies and lets not forget his Simpsons appearance. Even extended it to his wife. Madam Web was based on Joan and she even voiced her on Spider-Man.
Wouldn’t you love to live in Freakazoid’s world where even a fanboy doesn’t know who he was?
Are you implying that Stan Lee was willing to take credit for other people’s work and politicking his way into a position where he is can be given far more credit than he’s due while those who do the actual work can die penniless while he gets rich and famous?
Because, well, yeah. Exactly.
TBF, The Batman was just the Count of Monte Cristo crossed with Spider-Man's origin, which sounds amazing in theory.
Isn't that just Batman Beyond
It seems like a cross of Luke Cage and a sliding doors moment with Spider-Man.
And it honestly ends up being one of the better DC heroes reimagined by Stan.
It should also be noted that feedback's powers were supposed to be copying the powers of video game charters but in the comic he just zapped people with electricity.
Copyright issues galore!
That’s exactly what I was thinking!
I know it’s probably down to Stan being an old man with little knowledge of them viddy games and such, but it still seemed like a wasted opportunity to not incorporate Videogames into Feedback’s power set.
I would love to see another writer with actual knowledge of/respect for video games to re-imagine Feedback.
@@Nocturne22I mean, they could easily get around that by either him getting powers from the genres of games Feedback plays (I.e. platformers give him the powers to jump high and fall from great hight without getting hurt, ruthenium games giving him super reflexes etc), or use copyright safe expys of popular video games and characters.
@@Brianna-eo8nu What was to stop them making up video game characters to get the powers from?
@@SuperSongbird21 dial h for hero sorta does a similar thing by making up superheroes that parody the style of real ones for the dial holder to turn into
I love Chris’ impersonation of Stan Lee. Gets me every time. 😂
Rumor has it that Stan took the role in The Ambulance (and wasn't the at least another movie he was in around that time?) to have some acting experience under his belt before acting as J.Jonah Jameson in the Spider-man that James Cameron was soon making. But that project fell apart as we all know, however, I think Stan playing Jonah could've been cool, I've always thought Steve Ditko created Jonah just a caricature of Stan himself
Neat trivia!
I dunno, I can't picture cheerful, smilin' Stan Lee as the irascible, shouty, naive JJJ 🤔
That's a great idea that Steve parodied Stan with Jonah. I think you're right and it went right over Stan's head!
@@MrHantz101 Me either, but I can absolutely see Stan wanting to take the role all the same!
I remember an interview with Stan Lee where he even mentions he's all set to play J.J..... then oddly posing with his hands in the Spider-Man web shooting pose.
To be fair to Stan, that line read about liking his girls healthy was delivered really well. Got a chuckle out of me
wow. hi reddit.
I got an Alan Alda Hawkeye impression from it
I agree, I think Chris was a little too hard on him with that one. The line delivery was dry and seemed very much in-line with Stan's real life humor
I enjoyed Stan's acting.
I agree
The Bat-man story does have SOME basis in reality. At least with that Warden story. Many years ago at a Texas prison a female correctional officer was attacked by an inmate that was trying to rape\kill her. Another inmate who was working as a janitor on the cell block came to her rescue and saved her life. The prison system worked hard to get his sentence reduced and he eventually paroled out.
Yeah its not unheard of for shit like that to happen. Lots of prisoners get released early or pardoned for doing some great deed or even because of mass public sympathy
2:55--Droom literally looks like Professor Xavier from the traditional green suit to the literal "Yellow Chair" (just not a wheelchair)
Exactly what I though
it would be funny if they asked patrick stewart to play him if he ever gets in a film
Hey, Who Wants To Be a Superhero was pretty good, in the context of its time. Some of the contestants used tried and true tactics of reality show vermin, only to get told by Stan "Hey, did you forget the part about being heroes, not villains?" and kicked out.
I watched it in the context of its time and still thought it was pretty terrible
Reminds me of Steven Spielberg's reality show "On the Lot" . Not only were the contestant films hilarious trash, but Spielberg looked so bummed out to have to be there in the final episode.
It was one of the few reality shows of the day that I actually enjoyed from start to finish.
@@BrianGeers It was so staged I couldn't suspend my disbelief. And I'm a comic book fan. One guy got kicked off for NOT revealing his secret identity. Stan said "heroes are supposed to be honest." wtf???
@@gridlo Oh, the rules were arbitrary as heck, no lie. I think I remember the third place guy essentially just got kicked off for his concept being too derivative (despite being probably the strongest talent on the show). The show was total nonsense, but it was entertaining nonsense.
Special Mention goes to Stripperella, a stripper super hero who does stripper things and solves stripper related problems. Her villains are also made in poor taste.
Hey man I loved stripperella when I was 12
Hey, Stripperella is cool on all her raunchy and cheesy glory
...strippers are poor taste?
In all honesty, I think Stan did a pretty good job acting. Being the ham that he is, he is, he could project his lines pretty well it seems
Im a simple man. I see a comic tropes upload, it makes me happy.
Samesies.
This is the kinda channel whose videos you like before they even start loading.
I'm a simple man. I see TH-camr upload a video, I use a generic and overused comment before even watching the video to farm likes and feed my dopamine addiction.
So true.
What bothers me about Feedback is that, despite saying he gets his powers from Videogames, in his comic he gets struck by lighting, survives and just assumes he got it form the game he was playing. And his actual powers don’t have anything to do with Video games, he just has generic electricity powers.
Like, What if instead of just the electricity powers, Feedback could absorb the elect of the games he played and gain the powers of the character he was playing as at the time. Like if he plays a Mario-esque platformer game, he can jump real high, or if he plays a sonic-like game he gains super speed, or he plays an fps game and gains a vast knowledge of firearms. Stuff like that.
It just feels like a wasted opportunity that they didn’t lean into the videogame inspiration aspect of Feedback for his power set. I’m sure it would’ve at least made him memorable…
Even when Stan Lee screws up, it's still pretty entertaining.
There's a slight Woody Allen cadence to the way Stan stumbles over his words in his "serious" acting role, haha.
Let’s not bring Woody up anymore
@@hunterwade9030 i know hes a shit person but were allowed to talk about his acting mate
"He isn't sick....JUST dying!" oh my god
Bro wrote comics about radioactive spiders granting superpowers, mutants, and surgeons becoming sorcerers yet somehow a pro wrestler becoming a millionaire in a few weeks working indy mudshows stiff is the most unrealistic thing he ever wrote.
3:13 No, there were earlier weebs. In the 19th century, the Irish writer Lafcadio Hearn became not only one of the first modern western scholars of Japanese culture, but also married a Japanese woman and moved to Japan and lived there in the last years of his life.
Brought back a lot of memories of varying fondness with Mall Rats, Stripperella, and "Who wants to be a superhero" but I'm really glad I somehow missed the NHL guardians. It looks like the Red Wings had a Star Scream knockoff so that's neat.
If i recalled correctly Stan Lee did the DC after he was let go from Marvel. I think it was basically a figurehead type status at that point.
Who wants to be superhero? was cheezy but a posituve cheezy. You couldn't win with underhanded methods you had to act like well a hero. Like that clip with little i think that was from the 1st one . . . the task was like timed go from A to B but there was crying lost little girl. The winners were the ones that helped the girl.
If nothing else, you gotta give it props for being one of the few reality tv competition shows that actively encouraged its contestants to be good people instead of vapid assholes who stir up drama.
I disagree on Batman. The basic idea is pretty strong, it just took a few wrong turns. If they removed the wrestling bit and instead made him an author or something, it could have worked.
Here is my short re-write. Everything up to saving the warden is the same. But, instead of being freed by saving the warden his heroic deed brings his case to the attention of a group like the Innocence Project who find new DNA evidence that clears his name. As he is waiting to be released he writes a book about his experiences in prison that becomes a bestseller making him moderately wealthy. Upon his release he starts to advocate for others who have been falsely imprisoned and during the course of his advocacy he finds others who have also been framed by Hands and comes to the conclusion that only a vigilante will be able to take Hands down. That's when he decides to become the Batman.
One last thing, I really like how the character really does look like a bat monster. I think it would be cool to play up the "urban legend" element of Batman by having this version pretend to be some kind of super natural monster.
That would be cool to me, at least.
Well, Ravage 2099 would be worth a proper mention.
It was commendable to try a new character for the 2099 imprint but I just couldn't get into him.
Oh damn, forgot about that. Probably one of the best worst endings in comic history. Like it ended terribly, but at least everything got wrapped up in a nice little bow in the end.
I thought Ravage was a visual ripoff of Grimjack, right down to the scar over his eye.
Eric Robert's absolutely SUPERB mullet
Ya excellent lol
Yeah that Stan isn't absolutely Jimmy Fallon-level corpsing has to count for something with his acting skills.
A shame Eric’s career didn’t go anywhere, other than direct-to-video films.
His mullet needs NERFING, it's way overpowered.
7:41 to be fair I could do this after years of reading comics. I could tell who the artist was by the way they illustrated the characters. Most artists have a signature way of how they draw and very distinctive. Like Alex Ross and Jae Lee for example, it’s super obvious they did it, when you see their work.
18:59 🤔 I wondered the same thing with his cameo appearance in 2004 Disney film The Princess Diaries 2: Royal Engagement.
as a huge fan of hockey and comics I can confirm that the nhl guardians were for no one.
I also remember stan writing Ultimo with hiroyuki takei (the guy who made shaman king) and it being unreadable
Me at the start of the Dr Droom backstory: "Well, this is basic and an underbaked version of Dr Strange but I don't see how it's so bad it...
4:12 - Oh no. OH NO! Nope nope nope!
"Suddenly I am good at Math!"
He could be revived as the original Dr Droom and be the villain of "cultural appropriation". Ha
When you read the earliest Lee/Ditko Dr. Strange stories, you notice that Strange's also depicted as a white man who gets yellowfaced after learning the mystic arts, though not to the same extreme.
He's turning Japanese-ah
Oh, he's turning Japanese-ah
Oh, he's turning Japanese-ah
Don't you think so?
@@Duragizer8775 Ouch!
Another great episode, Chris. I loved it as much as I have always loved Dr. Droom, who I have only just now remembered.
9:35 A Pamela Anderson cartoon where she's a stripper that fights crime sounds like something you should've elaborated on more than "a bad Batman comic" lol
Another great episode. So yea I designed ( with two really good friends in the comic-book industry) and created those costumes. Along with the ones for Lance Thunder by the promo spot on SyFI network. That was a cool costume and so were the ones on WWTBASH 2 anyways Stan too all the credit on the show which well bothered me at the time but like my friends in the industry said to me “welcome to the club”😂
Only Kevin Smith knew how to write Stan into a movie, he was the only one to see him as a person and not reduce him to his job. He saw the man behind the legend, the person who would create what he did. And as for the other cameos, you have to know that he's just a Marvel brand mascot in those cases, and I see those appearances like when the editors bullpen would be torn up by a supervillain angry at his presentation in an in universe comic. He just lives there, it's not based on direct character creation but a shared universe that goes even beyond the companies that own the movies, as he's in the Fox and Raimi movies as well as the MCU and venom.
Or he just knew how to exploit Stan Lee's kindness, generosity and celebrity for cool points in the fandom. He put Stan Lee in Yoga Hosers, ffs. I call that disrespect.
Seeing the man behind the legend would mean depicting Stan as a deluded grifter, which Kev def didn't do, haha.
Nah early in the Fantastic Four’s comic run they introduced the idea of the Marvel Comic company existing in universe based off their adventures and it popped up from time to time. The Impossible Man even wrecked the place until they gave him is his own comic series
@@gridlo That man who made Yoga Hosers is not Kevin Smith, he's a skrull imposter who took over his life after Jersey Girl.
You mean like when a character in Mallrats asked if the Things junk was orange rock?
Thanks!
c'mon, acting was not his idea
he was not trying to break in Hollywood as an actor
he just took some jobs he was offered, it can't be classified as his idea
also, he was not that bad on those roles
So I worked the MCU for a number of years, the Stan Lee cameo in Antman 2 was on my set. He was basically so ancient by that time, they had only filmed in on green screens saying and doing all this wacky stuff and later they would just film something to place him in, they literally designed those cameos backward from way down the road and then circle back to them and stitched them in.
By far the weirdest Stan Lee cameo was the one in Princess Diaries 2! Also, he co-wrote a YA fantasy adventure novel series inspired by the Chinese Zodiac.
Noooo the guy holding the hotdog in X-men in front of Stan Lee is Brian Peck! Evil human being. Watch the documentary Quiet On The Set if you don't already know
And he's on the DVD commentary with director Bryan Singer, who has tons of skeletons in his closet too
I’m a bit confused on how his acting in the ambulance was bad. I didn’t see bad acting at all I saw a regular actor actually I’m going to have to disagree with you on that one
One of Stan Lee's biggest blunders was getting Dick Ayers to ink/ruin the majority of Jack Kirby's early Fantastic Four stories.
And Vince Colletta for 6 issues 😢
@@MarkBork-zn8eeWhenever I buy an old back issue and find out it has Colleta's inks my heart sinks.
Gotta appreciate the guy for trying new things, even if they didn't always work out, he just went for it
I actually watched Megasnake just to see Feedback's appearance. I was really puzzled by the movie because I really thought Feedback was going to have a bigger role, but I quickly realized that wasn't going to happen as the movie just continued to be a normal non-superhero movie.
you know his acting in the ambulance is not that bad imo.
Yeah, it's actually very natural and not hammy in my opinion.
Agreed. The quip shown came across as deadpan humor, which is a perfectly acceptable way of delivering a quip.
Feels like Chris is finding something to complain about
He wasn’t a bad actor. In fact, in some of the cameos he made, he was the best actor in the entire film.
It's just that the scripted lines were a mess
The next sentence after that: "It was a one-shot thing" -- obviously
"Working stiff" I understand what you mean (putting a little more mustard on your moves) but the correction: Wayne turns it into a "shoot" (fighting for real)
Stan Lee's Batman and sundry are good stories if you remember that these are more like initial drafts that need some recalibration. The basic ideas are ok.
You probably should've played a sample of that "Turning Japanese" song at some point during the Dr. Droom segment.
The Ambulance has Stan Lee and James Earl Jones. So the first cinematic Star Wars/MCU character. Stan Lee as Stan Lee in a parallel dimension to the 616.
Stan Lee a true legend but also definitely a Funky, Flashy Man! 😅
That issue of _Mister Miracle_ lives rent-free in my head.
A fake legend.
Dr. Droom looks like Prof. X, has a name that is one letter off from Dr. Doom, is a magician like strange, has "fantastic" as a prefix, and was created by 3 of the biggest names in comics, crazy stuff there.
*The Vapor’s - turning Japanese plays on radio*
Stan Lee “excelsior, I have a great idea”
I still don’t understand why the hockey trophy is named after him
Its not😮
It's named after the guitarist with the Dickies.
It was part of the deal for the superheroes, clearly.
Something you forgot to mention about _Who Wants To Be a Superhero_ is that Ellis and Diadoto parodied it during their run on Thunderbolts; part of the in-universe marketing for the team post-Civil War was a reality show where people could audition for a spot on the T-Bolts "backup squad", hosted by Stan the Man.
You missed Ravage 2099. The worst of the 2099 characters. He looked like a homeless Punisher. It was so bad, they changed him to an extreme 90s muscle guy with horns.... in ISSUE 4!!
You must have gone to the butthead school of charm, he already did a video on Ravage
No. Ravage didn't change into the horned guy until issue 11 or 12, after Lee has finished his run and the comic went to another writer. And personally I love Stan's run on the comic and I think it was an interesting idea to have him ad a sort of ecological warrior. Heck, before he became a hero he was the CEO of a company that was supposed to protect the environment, and before thst he was a veteran of the "Pollution Wars" I think it was called. Makes sense since by 2099 Earth had suffered a major ecological catastrophe. Plus, I can't get enough of how Stan wrote Ravage's voice. Those early issues are my favorite.
@@truefanforum3273 I liked Ravage because it felt like his whole story was his origin story. Shit kept happening and he kept evolving the whole time. His origin story wasn't limited to just Issue 1.
i believe the Marvel movie contracts meant that Stan would have a cameo in EVERY Marvel movie.
To be fair to 'The Ambulance', it is a Larry Cohen flick.
That's the director of such film oddities as 'The Stuff', 'Its Alive', and the absolutely bugfuck insane 'God Told Me To'.
Stan Lee is proof that all you need to do is hit more than you miss, and people will ignore all the failures. Even legends don't knock it out of the park every time.
♦️ *I hate to bring it up; but, yes, you're forgetting the superhero Stan tried to create around Howard Stern. (it never went anywhere) Howard has told the story on air of how excited he was to speak with Stan. But, the story idea couldn't have been more lame.* ♦️
“who wants to be a super hero?” wound up being an unintentionally genius cringe comedy. The show definitely leans into it sometimes but the best moments are when they thought they killed it and it’s just like, a mortifyingly embarrassing moment for everyone involved. I used to watch it with my parents on the syfy channel and back then half of the appeal was so bad it’s good content so it fit right in.
If Dr. Droom kept his original name, he would get into some rather confusing battles and eventual trouble with a certain Latverian dictator clad in iron
I’m just starting this and paused it to predict: Stan’s worst idea was “no costume for superheroes.” It was only fan-letter backlash to “uniform” the FF that changed his mind.
I'm sorry I haven't been an active viewer as of late, I've been dealing with health issues. Coming back and seeing this after missing several videos has made me as happy as a "True Believer", Excelsior! 🤣
Thank you Chris, you've always been an inspiration to me. Keep following your passion, you're a hero to me... 🤩😉
Strange that the Guardian Project came out at almost the same exact time as NFL Rush Zone which also had superheroes called guardians-- it was pretty much the same exact concept but swapping NFL for NHL. It's tempting to accuse one of them for stealing the idea, but they must have been in development at the same time
Rebranding him a Dr. Shroom might have taken off.
Ad a bonus, druids (and other priests, vates, shamans as well) did use multiple kinds of shrooms.
Toad if he became the sorcerer supreme
4:06 Holy cow, it's the early predecessor of Sgt. Kabukiman.
"Just Imagine" would work better if they had made the art look more like it did in Stan Lee's heyday.
I do not read more than a handful of comic books a year and yet I’ve somehow found myself in a place where I’m being pushed comic book history content for like 25% of my feed and I’m not hating it
7:48 I dunno, maybe it was the fact that it was on a drafting table, next to all your art supplies???
As a Canadian, I appreciate the detail that since the Canadien is from Montreal, he only protects Quebec.
The why Stan made cameos to Deadpool or Venom is simple:
It was a Marvel tradition in general.
An Deadpool and Venom are Marvel characters so...
Ta-da.
Stan Lee was reading his lines off a cue card in Mallrats - you can see his eyes moving behind his sunglasses if you look hard enough.
Engagement for the algorithm. Come on YT, shine the spotlight for our buddy Chris.
Awesome as always🎉
Stan Lee's worst idea was clearly "Love Be A Vulture".
Look! Up! In the Air! It's a Bird! It's Doctor Droom? No, it's a Lead Turd.
Stan Lee definitely benefited from having talented people around him (ie Kirby and Ditko). His persistence and willingness to try new ideas along with his positive attitude and hustle is what made him special, even if those ideas didn’t turn out well some times
And if someone working for him came up with an idea that _did_ turn out well, hey, he could always just take credit for it later.
"Around him" is a strange way of describing "drawing, designing and writing all the comics".
Feedback really wasn't a bad idea for a character - it was just executed really badly.
I enjoyed Who wants to be a super hero overall. I have the Defuser's autograph. But I was annoyed by each season with bity of hypocrisy written for Stan. He chews out Major Victory for having been a strip-a-gram worke with a giant framed picture picture of Stripperella on the wall behind Stan while he did so. Then in season 2 he criticizes Hyper-Strike for giving out his real last name to kid to bond with the kid about being teased. His last name was Stork. While watching I responded for Hyper-Strike, you know I had dinner with Reed, Sue and Ben and they didn't think it was such a big deal." I wuoldn't have made it on the show. :)
I’ve not read it myself but your breakdown of Stan’s Batman seemed pretty sensible to me. And considering it was a one shot it’s okay that he got rich so quickly. In this case I don’t think he’s even supposed to be a hero it’s pretty much just a revenge story as told by Stan. When I think nonsensical Batman I think of Batman odyssey.
hell yeah the old intros are back!!! & as an Asian, I approve Dr. Droom XD and man i totally forgot about Striperella, good times :)
For anyone who doesn't know, Stan also plays the minister at a wedding scene at the end of Princess Bride 2! It has nothing to do with comics, he's just the person who marries the two lead characters!
@@gothamite27 Do you mean
The Princess Diaries 2?
@@cha5 Yes I do. 😂 Princess Bride never had a sequel to my knowledge!!
I love comic tropes beginning skits
IMO Who Wants to Be a Superhero seems pretty cool! I hope Feedback (and maybe those other heroes) could get a resurrection somehow someday.
Iron Man's nose still ranks as Stans worst idea for me.
This has been debunked. Stan saw a panel of Iron Man which had the eye slits really close to the mouth slit and logically asked where his nose was supposed to go. The editor mistakenly assumed that Stan wanted a nose piece on the helmet.
Stan's Sopbox is one of the Catalysts that lead him to become the Face of Marvel. So it actually makes sense that he cameoed in Marvel Films.
They actually referenced Stan's Soapbox in the Disney XD Spider-Man cartoon (I believe) where the janitor was pretty obviously supposed to be him. One episode had him literally stand on a box labeled "Soap" and start pontificating about something relevant to the episode.
Your Stan Lee impression is pretty good! 😂
Also, I feel duty-bound to say that Striperella was actually a really good show!
I came across part of an episode one night while flipping through the channels and thought it was hilarious. It was the one where she had to rescue “Richard Slimmons” from Pushy Galore/Octopushy.
“Our tests indicate it’s a knock-off of a brand-name bag.”
“That’s the most disturbing thing I’ve ever heard.”
“Our tests also indicate it’s made from human skin.”
“(Beat) Okay, THAT’S the most disturbing thing I’ve ever heard!”
😂
@@karaoconnoraliasraidra 😆
It was a very clever and well-written show. I had written it off upon release but stumbled across it same as you and was glad I did.
@taffysaur yeah, it was really fun as long as you accepted that it was a parody as opposed to a serious superhero show.
I feel like a lot of people missed that.
@@nicholasfarrell5981 I’m curious how anyone could hear names like “Richard Slimmons” and “Pushy Galore” and not realize it was parody. (Granted, I’m assuming all the episodes had names and situations like that, but still)
@karaoconnoraliasraidra I wish I could explain it, but alas I cannot. My best guess is that people saw Stan Lee's name and just assumed it was being played straight?
Dr. Droom, not to be confused with Dr Drew who had a radio show giving bad relationship advice 😂
Yes! A new ComicTropes video anda new "Oh hi!"
His cameos in Deadpool are cause Deadpool is Marvel, and Stan was essentially Marvel's mascot.
His best and most headscratching cameo is in Teen Titans Go! to the Movies
I'm sorry, but I liked "who wants to be a superhero"! I enjoyed it.
The best Stan Lee cameo has to be "teen titans go to the movies"
Yeah that one as genuinely funny.
TIL The American version of "Who wants to be a Superhero" used adults... Lol 😆
I always thought Dr. Droom should have been Dr. Dread, since people are supposed to dread a bad guy.
(And Judge Dread should never have been published.) The Mathew thing, where a kid is a wiz at video games causing the government to recruit him... sounds like a certain film I won't mention, starring a guy last-named Broderick.What's in my archives for Stan Lee films? Well he doesn't act in it, but he is an executive producer for "Stan Lee's Lightspeed." Stars Lee Majors, Nicole Eggert, and one of Sean Connery's kids. On the front cover they tout the smiling one as the sole creator of X-men and Spider-Man, while on the back cover he's listed the same way, only they added that he's also the sole creator of the Fantastic Four! Ex-SELL-sior!
'Yes, I'm not sick, I'm just dying. I need you to take over my doodies.'
'Your duties?'
*faaaaaaaart* 'My doodies. Clean that up.'
You should do a deep dive into AC Comics. They been around for 40 years, their main title is now up around issue 225, Femforce. And they were the first to really deep dive into using public domain golden age heroes, via the Shroud War Saga. And they still have most of their titles available on their website.
Give it a look and let us know what you think.
If the conceit of those comics was that Stan Lee would make new heroes based on the names of popular heroes, I think he should’ve taken the new heroes in entirely different directions. Like this Batman should’ve been inspired by a love of baseball, and carried a Louisville Slugger around to beat up criminals.
In some of them he did. I can't remember much about them, but I do remember that Wonder Woman was literally based around "wondering", and it sorta worked.
Another problem is that DC had already done the same gimmick with Tangent Comics, which meant some of the best "in name only" ideas were already taken by those characters.
I think you'd love the Batgirls from DC's Bombshells.