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Maarten and Miike, you are two smart young people. I just watched this and I thought you guys might be interested. th-cam.com/video/bs3bIHHIoXU/w-d-xo.html Very interesting.
Two things I’ve learned in my 65 years on this planet: Carmelized food tastes great, knife heat treatments differ and matter in performance. Great job demonstrating both points.
Screws and nails are totally different hardnesses. Nails are often very soft so they can bend as the wood shifts, and screws are much harder so they will usually snap long before they bend ...
Totally agree with everything you said, it's all true, however I had a small nail cut, with a Knipex Cobolt cutter and not only, it was harder to cut than any screw I've tried, but also it managed to damage the edge of the cutter. Not much, it was a tine roll. I just want to add, that it's rare, but there are some nails, that their steel, is made as hard and tough as screws, if not more than that!!
@@greekveteran2715 yes, especially old cut nails, and specialty hardened nails (concrete nails and such). And I’m pretty sure what they were cutting wasn’t a screw or a nail, it looked like one of those bent wire nails that are meant to hold down fence or wire to wood, which would definitely be a hardened steel (the bend and then harden the steel to make sure that it doesn’t bent anymore while hammering into the wood ) either way, for a knife channel, and steel nerds, their actual practical knowledge outside of knife metallurgy seems limited... although they are speaking their second language, so I am being critical... they should definitely buy a big box of nails and use the same ones consistently if they actually want to have scientific results, but I’m guessing that true science is not this channels main focus, it mostly seems like a comedy channel that gives Mickey and excuse to take his shirt of on the regular lol
Just to clarify, Carothers Performance Knives uses V4E (63 HRC) in their Competition Chopper which was designed in collaboration with Bladesports World Champion Dan Keffeler
Thanks for reviewing this knife. Nathan and Jo are awesome, and Carothers is my favorite knife maker. He doesn’t produce “art” knives. Rather he produces well designed, hard working, reliable tools. In my humble opinion his knives offer unbeatable value.
Totally agree Love my behemother Had a 6inch oak branch I had to cut , I was amazed . I could have used my chainsaw but where is the fun in that . Once I cleaned the tree sap off , you couldn't tell I had used it . A little stropping and looks new .
I know I commented already, but that torch, or log oven was what my grandparents from Sweden taught me, years ago, is great. The bushcraft way is alive still here in the far northeast US. Thank you!
Love all of my CPK knives! HT, ergonomics, blade geometry, customer service, etc Nate and Jo are amazing people! My absolute favourites of theirs are the Light chopper and Heavy-duty field knife.
I have 4 CPK knives. I have used the choppers to destroy a lot of stuff and they still look great, only minor damage to the edge was caused by hitting cement. I used the field knife to field dress several white tailed deer and it was impressive. I dressed 3 deer in a day and it still shaved arm hair afterwards. They’re not cheap but when compared to Bark River or CRK they provide more knife for the money.
That's one hell of a heat treat! A dependable outdoor tool . Thanks for the custom maker content. There's lots more out there to try. Even if it's tough to get on a makers book, the sheer variety of different knives would make excellent content I'd watch.
Dude, I have a GSO 10 from Survive in the good old 3V and it’s been my child since I got it. Super excited to see you review a Survive knife. Mine took almost nine years to get. Hope yours comes sooner.
A good blade video, a 22 pound perfectly cooked turkey 🦃, mashed potatoes 🥔, stuffing cooked in the turkey, delicious gravy, sweet potatoes, corn 🌽, eggnog and pumpkin pie 🥧. Happy Thanksgiving DBK.
A little info about Carothers: Nathan is a machinist by trade and a knife craftsman with a high level of metallurgy knowledge. His wife Jo participates in knife competitions. They have collaborated with many other competitors and knife design experts to create many different knives. This one appears to be a field knife 2, but there are many others that would be worth testing. He has done some knives in D2 (with proprietary heat treat) and CPM 4V. I believe he is working with Magnacut now as well. He is a scientist with an uncompromising commitment to quality. His knives are among the best in the world.
I really like Carothers Performance Knives and have been looking at their Basic 5" Field Knife for some time but was curious about it compared to a couple of other knives, so thank you for reviewing and testing this knife!!! I will try and catch a run sometime next year as my budget allows. Awesome episode as always Lads, you guys are so much fun to watch, yet provide excellent reviews and tests on some of the most popular blades out on the market,...and you aren't afraid to use and abuse them to show what a long time living with that knife would be like!! Keep them coming!!
I did not realize you guys did a cpk knife.. im super pumped about this. Nathan's D3V is my favorite steel. I have a dozen of his knives and I rarely carry anything else.
Well done boys. That was unexpected. I did not see that Bravo 1 holding up to any of those tests (aside the rope cutting). Reason being, I own three. 2 have failed catastrophically. Bark River will actually gas light you even if you provide photo evidence. The best they will do is grind the edge down, sharpen it and send you the same shi.hty knife back. Bark River refuse to admit they make a faulty knife because they make in batches. Anyway, you guys finally did it. Respect.
Oh wow did they really!! We would not shy away from making a video about failing bark rivers. But we mostly have older models so maybe those are better? Who knows. A REAL shame that the support is not as good as it ever was. Cheers mate
I've been binge watching your videos for days. It's very entertaining and I am learning a lot. That little song you guys sing is like a worm in my ear. 🎶 all my life I want a DBK knife 🎶
Still would like to see you really put this knife through the bone and rope test. Really would have liked to see more on the edge retention. Hopefully youll review the Sdfk now that I have one, you may proceed. Thank you for your videos.
Can’t help but notice y’all haven’t accounted for the difference in edge profiles between the two knives you’re comparing. The bravo 1 is a convex giving it even more resistance, while the 3V delta is a Sabre grind with a much thinner blade edge. Judging by your results it seems that the Carothers knife wouldn’t have a ding on it if it had a convex grind, while the bark river would be relatively even more destroyed if it had a thinner edge profile. Regardless of this comparison oversight, very interesting test and results.
LOL I was eating venison kabobs and baked potato while watching you guys eating bushcraft dinner. I didn't bushcraft cook mine but I harvested and processed the deer myself and used wood in my smoker from my own trees. Does that count?
Looked like an steel electrical staple. Do you guys think the damage would be less on the bravo if it had a secondary v edge instead of a convex? I usually get less damage on my secondary edges vs my convex
This is like comparing apples to oranges really. Yes it’s the same steel and different heat treatments. However barkriver usually does zero convex and the Carothers blade is saber ground with a secondary bevel. If it has a decent behind the edge thickness and 20 degrees perside bevel it’s gonna be significantly more robust than the barkriver.
is the Carothers a v-edge? Oh, they answered my question. In my experience, the v-edge is stronger and resist rolling better, with more support behind the edge.
I’m happy with my bravo 1, but I suspect the convex is what makes it a beast as much as the Cpm3v. I’d like a delta heat treatment for a bravo 1, because I like the desists it is..
ash has potassium, sodium, and calcium salts, although its mostly calcium carbonate. the salts and whatnot may be adding flavor along with the smoke aroma.
I think you guys proved how good bark river heat treats their 3v. The Bravo 1 grind is very thin behind the edge. I was really impressed with the minor damage it took compared to the V edge CPK.
The tests are impressive but their website is impossible to use. I can't even put the basic 5" field knife into the cart let alone see the price of it.
Occasionally CPK runs preorders and allows you to spec certain options. I have a Field Knife gen 2 which was spec’ed with a sharpened spine. No issues with ferro rods, scraping bark, etc.
The metallurgical content that comprises the steel in conjunction with the heat treatment produces the qualities of wear resistance, toughness ( ductile pliability ), and hardness. I think particle technology is the most significant advance in knife steels .
I didn't know i needed a knive like that but now i definitely want to get one of those two. Probably the bravo 1 since it seems to be perfectly fit for anything i could ever do to it. But it seems neither is available anywhere. 🤔
From my understanding, Carothers orders 3V with a specific recipe from the manufacturer that is slightly different from the regular 3V that is better for the delta protocol. I would ask Nathan on that. If you have never seen his “destruction” videos, you should. he is a lot tougher on his knives than you guys. PS, how is that manscape demo video coming along? I can use that VPN to watch it lol.😂
I guess not, it's just the heat treatment, that is always better on smaller batches, rather than factory made knives, that come in big numbers. Also V edge, might be less tough on the very edge, but provides better edge stabity behind the edge, than a (Bark River) zero edge does.
@@greekveteran2715 Wrong, Barry is right. Here's a direct quote from Nathan (youtube won't allow the link): 'These terms "custom" "production" "hand made" "mid tech" are not well defined so rather than try to define what we are by some fuzzy definition I prefer to look at the connotations of the meanings and see where we fit. I don't like the term "Mid tech" for us because it is usually applied to a low volume custom maker who does a production run by outsourcing the components of a knife and putting them together. It implies faster cheaper with less attention to detail. They're usually waterjet and the scales are usually something basic like slab with round over and the F&F usually isn't great. That's not us. When you figure that I have the steel made and rolled to my specs and our heat treat is very not-off-the-shelf and we're making everything in house, I'd argue that we have more direct control over every aspect of our work than most low volume "custom" makers and the attributes of a "custom knife" such as attention to detail and pursuit of excellence apply to our work. Production implies high volumes and a streamlined product and process optimized for that high volume rather than a focus on excellence. I would define us as semi custom or high end low volume production. We're certainly a production shop (we were a machine shop before we got big into knives) so we should probably be over in the manufacturer's sub but I started out small and my forum fit best here at first though it should probably be moved over at this point. *shrug*'
This cooking method seems pretty great, but maybe wrapping everything in some tin foil might help with getting an even cook with less burning? Works on a grill and the campfire flavor should still be there. Anyway, love seeing such insane toughness and you guys rock
Did you sharpen the CPK to the same angle as the Bark River? At same edge angle, the is less supporting material for convex grind due to geometry, making it easier to slice but weaker.
You're probably confusing convex with concave (hollow grind). The convex will always have MORE supporting material (i.e. thicker bte) than a V grind. You don't have to believe me, just draw it on a paper and see for yourself. Or, of course, read some expert opinions. The heat treat on the CPK (the delta protocol) is exceptional (prob the best there is) and the BRK is average, at best - that's where the difference is.
You guys should check out Fox Knives. They have a few knives that seem to be geared towards bushcraft, (like the Bushman) and I'm very interested in them right now and I would love to see how tough they are. They use a lot of N690 and Niolox which are two steels that I don't recall ever seeing on your channel.
I think the ultimate combo of two knifes would be something like a Bravo 1 in 61-62 HRC Magnacut, combined with a larger survival knife in Delta 3V. Would you agree?
Awesome Video Guys...that knife is news to me...Thanks. And thanks for the reminder... I had totally forgotten that I have a Survive Knives V5.5 on order...maybe next year...Good luck with yours...
Unfortunately, your S!K V5.5 won't come in Delta 3V as they moved away from the Delta protocol (wrong move imho). The last S!K to come with Delta 3V is the GSO 6.
The thing about Delta HT is premature edge dulling. 'Survive! Knives' the company has moved away from it because they've tested 3V relentlessly and noticed dulling faster than normal. Delta is optimized for brick break etc but it will have a loss at edge retention. Depending on what you want out of the knife Delta may or may not be the best HT for the knife you want. Given that it's still 3V so it will still proform well no matter what.
That's what Survive claims but I don't think we have any good reason to believe that, ESPECIALLY given the fact that they're known liars and scam artists running a ponzi scheme with their "business". Whether the 3v is regular industry standard HT or the delta HT, the underlying composition of the steel is the same. Perhaps given that the D3V has reduced secondary carbide formation it in deed has less abrasion resistance but that only matters when using it in scenarios where you're cutting lots of abrasive materials like cardboard or dirty rope. And even then, it's definitely not going to be noticeable to the user. It's not like the difference between say soft 3cr13 or soft 440A and hard K390, S110v, or 15v, that's for sure! But since the majority of work the average person is doing will dull the edge through edge deformation rather than abrasive wear, the D3V is going to give the user better overall edge retention than a non D3V HT will. Cliff Stamp even has videos showing how the user cannot really decipher the difference between vastly different steels when it comes to edge retention if they're not cutting the exact same thing over and over. The reason for this is that the edge deformation vastly overshadows the difference in steel composition, hence a knife which holds it's shape better (like delta 3v) lasts longer and is more noticeable to the user.
@@BramantioDarkim Yep, contrary to what Guy said 😉. A pity, they should've found a way to continue to use it. I'm sure Nathan would've advised him.. but as Nathan said, their volume is much larger...
Lol, I too have shot swords with a Glock and AR. But I was trying to split the bullet.. unfortunately I'm so dumb I didn't realize there was no way for me to know this without a high speed camera.
So these are no niche knives. Sometimes while out and trying to camp, folks have put nails or screws in trees (especially older established camp sites), and the wood grows around it. Or, you can slip/deflect into dirt/rocks with your knife. I love delta 3v, great heat treat. Took cpm 3v from die performance to cutlery optimized performance. I have a Keffeler chopper in delta 3v, damn that thing cuts.
Some of those things I seen you do to that knife edge made me cringe 😬 but nice video and that's a hell of a heat treatment and hell of a steel on that blade!
I chopped the head off a deer hanging over the edge of a 55 gallon drum using a Bark River game axe in A2 steel and it chipped the hell out of the blade, huge chips that requires having it reground. 55 gallon drums & knives don’t mix!
V edge is more stable than convex. Of course if the angle on the edge is the same on both knives, than the only you can compare is edge retention. I would convex the v-edge and repeat the test.
Yup, Bark River probably is thinner behind the edge, than the Carother here was. Also "V" edge even though flat, provide more stability behind the edge, than the full convex of the Bark River does. That's why the Carother, took damage on the very edge and the Bark River didn't. (Weight and length of the knife, also was a factor on that) Convex edge provides, better edge stability, but full convex zero edge, trades a bit of overall toughness, for extra slicing ability!
@@greekveteran2715 Not sure about that. I’ve read that a convex edge has up to 400% more metal behind the edge than a v edge, that strengthens (supports) the apex.
@@greekveteran2715 No, the Bark River is NOT thinner bte. That's not how it works and that's not the reason the CPK took less damage. It's all in the heat treatment - an exceptional one that CPK has and a shitty one that BRK has. Simple as that.
@@xdd7049 I wish I could like your comment about 700 times. People need to start to see that BRK absolutely sucks when it comes to heat treating and burning the edge.
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Why didn’t you bought a Lionsteel M5 in Cpm3v
Maarten and Miike, you are two smart young people. I just watched this and I thought you guys might be interested.
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Very interesting.
Get dbk axes restocked! Please.
Hello my friends! What do you guys think about cpm3v Cold steel HT?
Two things I’ve learned in my 65 years on this planet: Carmelized food tastes great, knife heat treatments differ and matter in performance. Great job demonstrating both points.
Who is Carmel, and what does she do to the food?
plus, don't eat the yellow snow
Shred the gnar brother
Geometry matters a lot too!
Copy that 👍 Pedro
Screws and nails are totally different hardnesses. Nails are often very soft so they can bend as the wood shifts, and screws are much harder so they will usually snap long before they bend ...
Totally agree with everything you said, it's all true, however I had a small nail cut, with a Knipex Cobolt cutter and not only, it was harder to cut than any screw I've tried, but also it managed to damage the edge of the cutter. Not much, it was a tine roll. I just want to add, that it's rare, but there are some nails, that their steel, is made as hard and tough as screws, if not more than that!!
@@greekveteran2715 yes, especially old cut nails, and specialty hardened nails (concrete nails and such). And I’m pretty sure what they were cutting wasn’t a screw or a nail, it looked like one of those bent wire nails that are meant to hold down fence or wire to wood, which would definitely be a hardened steel (the bend and then harden the steel to make sure that it doesn’t bent anymore while hammering into the wood ) either way, for a knife channel, and steel nerds, their actual practical knowledge outside of knife metallurgy seems limited... although they are speaking their second language, so I am being critical... they should definitely buy a big box of nails and use the same ones consistently if they actually want to have scientific results, but I’m guessing that true science is not this channels main focus, it mostly seems like a comedy channel that gives Mickey and excuse to take his shirt of on the regular lol
well there are different grades of hardness for screws/bolts so it depends. there are soft screws
Just to clarify, Carothers Performance Knives uses V4E (63 HRC) in their Competition Chopper which was designed in collaboration with Bladesports World Champion Dan Keffeler
Very true. However, the S grind that Nathan and Dr Dan developed for the competition chopper is present in CPK latest releases.
Let’s go brandon
@@Barryhatchet lol
Thanks for reviewing this knife. Nathan and Jo are awesome, and Carothers is my favorite knife maker. He doesn’t produce “art” knives. Rather he produces well designed, hard working, reliable tools. In my humble opinion his knives offer unbeatable value.
Carothers knives are absolutely works of art.
Totally agree
Love my behemother
Had a 6inch oak branch I had to cut , I was amazed . I could have used my chainsaw but where is the fun in that . Once I cleaned the tree sap off , you couldn't tell I had used it . A little stropping and looks new .
Nathan absolutely produces art knives. Just not ones that are readily available.
I know I commented already, but that torch, or log oven was what my grandparents from Sweden taught me, years ago, is great. The bushcraft way is alive still here in the far northeast US. Thank you!
As a fellow knife nut I enjoy all your videos. I know it's not a holiday for you guys, but happy thanksgiving from Oklahoma, USA!
Love all of my CPK knives! HT, ergonomics, blade geometry, customer service, etc Nate and Jo are amazing people! My absolute favourites of theirs are the Light chopper and Heavy-duty field knife.
Don't forget Lorien...
@@stompbox64dtown9 True! Lorien should not be forgotten! Definitely deserves proper respect. Thanks
I have 4 CPK knives. I have used the choppers to destroy a lot of stuff and they still look great, only minor damage to the edge was caused by hitting cement. I used the field knife to field dress several white tailed deer and it was impressive. I dressed 3 deer in a day and it still shaved arm hair afterwards. They’re not cheap but when compared to Bark River or CRK they provide more knife for the money.
That's one hell of a heat treat! A dependable outdoor tool . Thanks for the custom maker content. There's lots more out there to try. Even if it's tough to get on a makers book, the sheer variety of different knives would make excellent content I'd watch.
Just bought their Behemother chopper which was literally the last knife they had in stock all around
This video makes me appreciate my Bark River Bravo even more!
idk but i get such joy out of just seeing two guys enjoying a campfire-cooked meal
Dude, I have a GSO 10 from Survive in the good old 3V and it’s been my child since I got it. Super excited to see you review a Survive knife. Mine took almost nine years to get. Hope yours comes sooner.
They recently moved away from the Delta HT so I'm curious to how the new batch of knives will do. They want better edge retention.
You waited 9 years for the knife?? That's insane 😨
We NEED an edge retention test between the two!
Oh no, not a another Delta variant.
Will we have to keep the sheath on?
Hahahahah thats a damn good comment
A good blade video, a 22 pound perfectly cooked turkey 🦃, mashed potatoes 🥔, stuffing cooked in the turkey, delicious gravy, sweet potatoes, corn 🌽, eggnog and pumpkin pie 🥧. Happy Thanksgiving DBK.
That was the hardest and most painful video to watch! Congratulations!
great video as usual. just got my cold steel SRK san mai- and after sharpening- omg- never owned a blade I was so impressed/scared with.
A little info about Carothers: Nathan is a machinist by trade and a knife craftsman with a high level of metallurgy knowledge. His wife Jo participates in knife competitions. They have collaborated with many other competitors and knife design experts to create many different knives. This one appears to be a field knife 2, but there are many others that would be worth testing. He has done some knives in D2 (with proprietary heat treat) and CPM 4V. I believe he is working with Magnacut now as well.
He is a scientist with an uncompromising commitment to quality. His knives are among the best in the world.
Heat treat is a science. I almost went into it myself for KUKA robotics 😅
I really like Carothers Performance Knives and have been looking at their Basic 5" Field Knife for some time but was curious about it compared to a couple of other knives, so thank you for reviewing and testing this knife!!! I will try and catch a run sometime next year as my budget allows. Awesome episode as always Lads, you guys are so much fun to watch, yet provide excellent reviews and tests on some of the most popular blades out on the market,...and you aren't afraid to use and abuse them to show what a long time living with that knife would be like!! Keep them coming!!
thanks a lot!
The Basic 5 is fairly thick behind the edge. The Field knife FK2, Heavy-Duty field knife, and the Kephart all have great blade geometry.
@@AJ-gn4ki Still thinner than most other knives, as it's designed to cut ;). Certainly thinner bte than that Bravo. Have you tried the DEK1 yet?
@@AJ-gn4ki Thank-you!
@@xdd7049 how do you measure bte on a zero grind convex? If there is no shoulder, I don't know where you'd put calipers.
I did not realize you guys did a cpk knife.. im super pumped about this. Nathan's D3V is my favorite steel. I have a dozen of his knives and I rarely carry anything else.
Well done boys. That was unexpected. I did not see that Bravo 1 holding up to any of those tests (aside the rope cutting). Reason being, I own three. 2 have failed catastrophically. Bark River will actually gas light you even if you provide photo evidence. The best they will do is grind the edge down, sharpen it and send you the same shi.hty knife back. Bark River refuse to admit they make a faulty knife because they make in batches. Anyway, you guys finally did it. Respect.
I'd love to see a video showing how 2 of your Bravo 1's catastrophically failed.
Oh wow did they really!! We would not shy away from making a video about failing bark rivers. But we mostly have older models so maybe those are better? Who knows. A REAL shame that the support is not as good as it ever was. Cheers mate
Still wanna see a Bradford Guardian tested
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Edge angle, thickness and hardness needs to be the same to get a more accurate result.
that wink in the end got me. 🤣
My guess is a Hultafors TO or a Mora Robust can do these tests also. Less sharp at the end but no fails.
I have a CPK Kephart knife in AEB-L. My favorite knife and I highly recommend one for Kephart knife fans.
I've been binge watching your videos for days. It's very entertaining and I am learning a lot. That little song you guys sing is like a worm in my ear. 🎶 all my life I want a DBK knife 🎶
Still would like to see you really put this knife through the bone and rope test. Really would have liked to see more on the edge retention. Hopefully youll review the Sdfk now that I have one, you may proceed. Thank you for your videos.
Can’t help but notice y’all haven’t accounted for the difference in edge profiles between the two knives you’re comparing. The bravo 1 is a convex giving it even more resistance, while the 3V delta is a Sabre grind with a much thinner blade edge. Judging by your results it seems that the Carothers knife wouldn’t have a ding on it if it had a convex grind, while the bark river would be relatively even more destroyed if it had a thinner edge profile. Regardless of this comparison oversight, very interesting test and results.
LOL I was eating venison kabobs and baked potato while watching you guys eating bushcraft dinner. I didn't bushcraft cook mine but I harvested and processed the deer myself and used wood in my smoker from my own trees. Does that count?
Looked like an steel electrical staple. Do you guys think the damage would be less on the bravo if it had a secondary v edge instead of a convex? I usually get less damage on my secondary edges vs my convex
You are right.
This is like comparing apples to oranges really. Yes it’s the same steel and different heat treatments. However barkriver usually does zero convex and the Carothers blade is saber ground with a secondary bevel. If it has a decent behind the edge thickness and 20 degrees perside bevel it’s gonna be significantly more robust than the barkriver.
is the Carothers a v-edge? Oh, they answered my question. In my experience, the v-edge is stronger and resist rolling better, with more support behind the edge.
I believe what you were trying to cut was a fencing staple. 👍🔗🔪
I’m happy with my bravo 1, but I suspect the convex is what makes it a beast as much as the Cpm3v.
I’d like a delta heat treatment for a bravo 1, because I like the desists it is..
ash has potassium, sodium, and calcium salts, although its mostly calcium carbonate. the salts and whatnot may be adding flavor along with the smoke aroma.
Love that knife!! Just picked one up a month ago. Want the giant Behemother chopper next.
I think you guys proved how good bark river heat treats their 3v. The Bravo 1 grind is very thin behind the edge. I was really impressed with the minor damage it took compared to the V edge CPK.
Geometry makes a difference. A convex will hold an edge longer that a v edge
Hi When and where can i buy the DBK knife? I missed the kickstarter and can not find any info on your Website either Thanks for any comment
7:04 there's a knot right where you were chopping. No wonder why Bark River took longer to do the job ;).
Edit: you're also forgetting gloves ;P
i have noticed also)
The tests are impressive but their website is impossible to use. I can't even put the basic 5" field knife into the cart let alone see the price of it.
Would be lovely if this knife could be bought somewhere. 🤷♂️
With the invincible edge that the knife had, I think you can just use the edge to spark the ferro rod instead of using the dull spine.
Occasionally CPK runs preorders and allows you to spec certain options. I have a Field Knife gen 2 which was spec’ed with a sharpened spine. No issues with ferro rods, scraping bark, etc.
The metallurgical content that comprises the steel in conjunction with the heat treatment produces the qualities of wear resistance, toughness ( ductile pliability ), and hardness.
I think particle technology is the most significant advance in knife steels .
What kind of jackets were they wearing? I am looking to get one for winter.
Have you guys ever done this with a fallkniven ?
I didn't know i needed a knive like that but now i definitely want to get one of those two. Probably the bravo 1 since it seems to be perfectly fit for anything i could ever do to it. But it seems neither is available anywhere. 🤔
uhmm...I am really curious..what is the muzzle velocity of that carabine and how many joules of force can those pellets apply?
Awesome video guys thank you!! Could you possibly tell me name amd model of your pellet gun please? Would be greatly appreciated!!
Wish these guys would test the Bradford 5.5 in 3v..
From my understanding, Carothers orders 3V with a specific recipe from the manufacturer that is slightly different from the regular 3V that is better for the delta protocol. I would ask Nathan on that. If you have never seen his “destruction” videos, you should. he is a lot tougher on his knives than you guys. PS, how is that manscape demo video coming along? I can use that VPN to watch it lol.😂
I guess not, it's just the heat treatment, that is always better on smaller batches, rather than factory made knives, that come in big numbers. Also V edge, might be less tough on the very edge, but provides better edge stabity behind the edge, than a (Bark River) zero edge does.
@@greekveteran2715 Wrong, Barry is right. Here's a direct quote from Nathan (youtube won't allow the link): 'These terms "custom" "production" "hand made" "mid tech" are not well defined so rather than try to define what we are by some fuzzy definition I prefer to look at the connotations of the meanings and see where we fit. I don't like the term "Mid tech" for us because it is usually applied to a low volume custom maker who does a production run by outsourcing the components of a knife and putting them together. It implies faster cheaper with less attention to detail. They're usually waterjet and the scales are usually something basic like slab with round over and the F&F usually isn't great. That's not us.
When you figure that I have the steel made and rolled to my specs and our heat treat is very not-off-the-shelf and we're making everything in house, I'd argue that we have more direct control over every aspect of our work than most low volume "custom" makers and the attributes of a "custom knife" such as attention to detail and pursuit of excellence apply to our work.
Production implies high volumes and a streamlined product and process optimized for that high volume rather than a focus on excellence.
I would define us as semi custom or high end low volume production. We're certainly a production shop (we were a machine shop before we got big into knives) so we should probably be over in the manufacturer's sub but I started out small and my forum fit best here at first though it should probably be moved over at this point. *shrug*'
This cooking method seems pretty great, but maybe wrapping everything in some tin foil might help with getting an even cook with less burning? Works on a grill and the campfire flavor should still be there. Anyway, love seeing such insane toughness and you guys rock
Did you sharpen the CPK to the same angle as the Bark River? At same edge angle, the is less supporting material for convex grind due to geometry, making it easier to slice but weaker.
You're probably confusing convex with concave (hollow grind). The convex will always have MORE supporting material (i.e. thicker bte) than a V grind. You don't have to believe me, just draw it on a paper and see for yourself. Or, of course, read some expert opinions. The heat treat on the CPK (the delta protocol) is exceptional (prob the best there is) and the BRK is average, at best - that's where the difference is.
Where do you actually buy this knife in europe? Can't find it available anywhere.
You guys should check out Fox Knives. They have a few knives that seem to be geared towards bushcraft, (like the Bushman) and I'm very interested in them right now and I would love to see how tough they are. They use a lot of N690 and Niolox which are two steels that I don't recall ever seeing on your channel.
I've been eyeing Carothers for a while. I'll definitely get one of their knives at some point, when I have more money.
I’ve always said that the quality of the heat treatment is the most important element of knife steel.
Well, I wish I could buy one.... They seem to have nothing in stock on the website. Are there any other vendors? I don't see any....
Bladeforums CPK sub-forum family ✊
Well, not family.. they hate me there, but I've given Nathan about $3k since they started anyway.
You just sold a Bark River Bravo! Thanks for the information guys! Have a Merry Christmas! :)
You guys are nuts! I love it!! Thank you for sharing your time, talent and humor!!
15:43 That's the merit of the convex edge.
where can I buy one of these?
They sold out fast huh?
How much is one of these? And if its over $300 should i just get it as my only knife, or spend the money on a few knives?
It's $245 +$13 shipping. And yes, you should get it as your only knife... if you can, of course, as they're addictive :D
How does this knife compare to the Survive GSO-5.1 in Magnacut? love your videos keep up the great work.
Looking forward to watching this with my boy in the morning.
I think the ultimate combo of two knifes would be something like a Bravo 1 in 61-62 HRC Magnacut, combined with a larger survival knife in Delta 3V. Would you agree?
compared with ROCKSTEAD RITSU, which one is better?
Great video, as usual. And yes, I think for a final conclusion a standard rope cutting test would be appropriate.
I'd like to see you guys test out Miller Brothers blades and there zwear steel
Awesome Video Guys...that knife is news to me...Thanks. And thanks for the reminder...
I had totally forgotten that I have a Survive Knives V5.5 on order...maybe next year...Good luck with yours...
Unfortunately, your S!K V5.5 won't come in Delta 3V as they moved away from the Delta protocol (wrong move imho). The last S!K to come with Delta 3V is the GSO 6.
Figures...
The thing about Delta HT is premature edge dulling. 'Survive! Knives' the company has moved away from it because they've tested 3V relentlessly and noticed dulling faster than normal. Delta is optimized for brick break etc but it will have a loss at edge retention. Depending on what you want out of the knife Delta may or may not be the best HT for the knife you want. Given that it's still 3V so it will still proform well no matter what.
I thought SURVIVE used PHT ??? My GSO /7/7 has it on the blade ? PLEASE ELABORATE SIRSIR ?
@@michaelkraus4135 PHT did both
That's what Survive claims but I don't think we have any good reason to believe that, ESPECIALLY given the fact that they're known liars and scam artists running a ponzi scheme with their "business".
Whether the 3v is regular industry standard HT or the delta HT, the underlying composition of the steel is the same.
Perhaps given that the D3V has reduced secondary carbide formation it in deed has less abrasion resistance but that only matters when using it in scenarios where you're cutting lots of abrasive materials like cardboard or dirty rope. And even then, it's definitely not going to be noticeable to the user. It's not like the difference between say soft 3cr13 or soft 440A and hard K390, S110v, or 15v, that's for sure!
But since the majority of work the average person is doing will dull the edge through edge deformation rather than abrasive wear, the D3V is going to give the user better overall edge retention than a non D3V HT will.
Cliff Stamp even has videos showing how the user cannot really decipher the difference between vastly different steels when it comes to edge retention if they're not cutting the exact same thing over and over. The reason for this is that the edge deformation vastly overshadows the difference in steel composition, hence a knife which holds it's shape better (like delta 3v) lasts longer and is more noticeable to the user.
yeah yeah great knife test as always….but really loving the Swedish fire log and cooking…gonna give that a go.
same here; gotta be a 5 minute cook up
Here’s the thing knife makers…you cannot claim that you making outdoor knives and NOT have a sharp spine!!
would love to see a rope cut test with delta 3v!
I've had my eyes on a CPK Field Knife DELTA 3V for a while now... In fact I still want to get one - one day.
Survive knives do delta heat treat as well but they have come up with another heat treat protocol for their CPM-3V.
They did, don't use it anymore. Guy decided to go back to the pre Delta heat treat. Very good, but not Delta good.
Yes they stopped using delta procedure because it was too much of a hassle for mass production.
@@BramantioDarkim Yep, contrary to what Guy said 😉. A pity, they should've found a way to continue to use it. I'm sure Nathan would've advised him.. but as Nathan said, their volume is much larger...
@@BramantioDarkim All about CPM MAGNACUT moving forward for me. Already pre-ordered a bark river bushcraft scout & GSO-4, both in Magnacut.
Anyone can use delta protocols. Thank you, dad Carothers!
I thought the food would fall off the skewer. I like a bit of char on foods at times.
I had a budK sword survive an entire mag from a Glock 19. It was soft af though and bent with every shot. My AR broke it in half one shot.
Lol, I too have shot swords with a Glock and AR. But I was trying to split the bullet.. unfortunately I'm so dumb I didn't realize there was no way for me to know this without a high speed camera.
So these are no niche knives. Sometimes while out and trying to camp, folks have put nails or screws in trees (especially older established camp sites), and the wood grows around it. Or, you can slip/deflect into dirt/rocks with your knife. I love delta 3v, great heat treat. Took cpm 3v from die performance to cutlery optimized performance. I have a Keffeler chopper in delta 3v, damn that thing cuts.
Some of those things I seen you do to that knife edge made me cringe 😬 but nice video and that's a hell of a heat treatment and hell of a steel on that blade!
I chopped the head off a deer hanging over the edge of a 55 gallon drum using a Bark River game axe in A2 steel and it chipped the hell out of the blade, huge chips that requires having it reground. 55 gallon drums & knives don’t mix!
V edge is more stable than convex. Of course if the angle on the edge is the same on both knives, than the only you can compare is edge retention. I would convex the v-edge and repeat the test.
We did! Thats the sharpening shown in the video. We put a convex on my friend. Cheers!
@@DutchBushcraftKnives Nice work than. It the angle is the same, than the test is relatively accurate.
I like the way you guys enjoy yourself s while testing. Keep it up.
I would say the triangle is toughess, edge stability and edge retention
Ok
Yup, Bark River probably is thinner behind the edge, than the Carother here was. Also "V" edge even though flat, provide more stability behind the edge, than the full convex of the Bark River does. That's why the Carother, took damage on the very edge and the Bark River didn't. (Weight and length of the knife, also was a factor on that) Convex edge provides, better edge stability, but full convex zero edge, trades a bit of overall toughness, for extra slicing ability!
@@greekveteran2715 Not sure about that. I’ve read that a convex edge has up to 400% more metal behind the edge than a v edge, that strengthens (supports) the apex.
@@greekveteran2715 No, the Bark River is NOT thinner bte. That's not how it works and that's not the reason the CPK took less damage. It's all in the heat treatment - an exceptional one that CPK has and a shitty one that BRK has. Simple as that.
@@xdd7049 I wish I could like your comment about 700 times. People need to start to see that BRK absolutely sucks when it comes to heat treating and burning the edge.
Hmmm... Interesting, i wonder if the heat treatment will make it easier/harder to sharpen
The G spot of the knife world?
DBK just makes life so much better 😌
Do y’all like Sigur Rós? Not in this video but in others y’all have some music which reminds me of them.
Nice Walken impression Martin
Okay, now this just some Forged in Fire destruction going on.🤣
Fun fact: I've got business meetings all week with a few Dutch Engineers from Van Gahlen. Can't escape you Dutch people - TH-cam...work...
You done Miller bros.Blades yet boys?They got some Serious steel in their blades😎👌🏼
correction
in minnesota (u.s) there is only winter and summer
Except of the model kephart the design of the Carothers knives does not appeal me. Furthermore they are sold out. (Phew, saved me money)
I totally get the point of torture test, but I feel like my teeth are crumbling when I see you bang those bricks...