@TheMentok - Aged like milk "I believe people can change for the better" @ Yuji Naka Changed to be better- at insider trading ¥47,000,000 and getting indicted 😂
Mecha Sonic Mk.II has always been my favorite metal sonic. I used to think that Neo Metal Sonic took inspiration from Mk.II. I do hope to see Mk.II show up again.
There's a model of a Mecha/Metal Sonic Sonic Adventure that's very definitely based off of MechaGodzilla so you're probably correct with your assumption. Edit: Shoutout to Fleetway Metallix, too. He's one of my favourite robot Sonics EDIT EDIT: Well, I should have held off of commenting because you address this point.
This was a blast to listen to man. Really enjoy just hearing you recount the characters backgrounds. I think your care for them comes out in the way you speak about them. Thanks for putting your heart into it and I’m looking forward to checking out he rest of your videos.
Hi i was watching this, having a blast, but when i got to 33:38 i was so gobsmacked??????? Yt says this is from sept which means that like unless you worked on frontiers you just??????? guessed everything abt the chao straight up?????? like actually correct, WITH THE CHAOS EMERALDS TOO!!!!! How did you do this?????? Im so amazed!!! What!!!! Idk if u work w Sonic, so maybe i'm exagerating but like ????? That was amazing
5:08 Yes, Sonic 2’s “Mecha Sonic” was confirmed to be a direct inspiration off of Showa Mechagodzilla. And if we go into specifics in terms of time for a second, Sonic 2 released in 1992, and a year later, 1993’s “Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla” came out, in which Mechagodzilla sported a completely new design for the film. What I’m saying is, is that the Only Mechagodzilla Model(s) that existed at the time was the Showa one(s). (Technically, there are 2 Showa Mechagodzilla designs, but they’re practically the same except for minute details such as the Letters on Mechagodzilla’s arms, as he appeared in back to back movies that capped off the Showa Era of Godzilla movies in 1974 and 1975.)
33:12 (Predicts the Chao and Chaos Emeralds are from space) 57:11 (Gamma gets announced to Speed Battle the same time as the video) Him: "I'm just a prophet" JUST AS THE GAIA MANUSCRIPTS FORETOLD!
The back story of Metal Sonic, the blue taller and streamline was explained in the user manual of Sonic and Knuckles back in the 90s. It was a simple introduction where he was quote rebuilt to help then called Dr. Robotnik steal the Master Emerald and was actually the soul antagonist for Knuckles in the what if storyline where Sonic came to Angel Island just before the final battle between Knuckle and Metal Sonic commenced. Metal Sonic had a mind of his own and sought out the power of the Master Emerald for himself in Knuckle's storyline. In Sonic's storyline, Robotnik had complete control over Metal Sonic.
Gotta tell ya the Rouge part of the compilation had me rolling with laughter. Thanks for that. Also is sonic lore as crazy as kh lore.. cause I didn't know about all the reasons and reboots. So thanks for that too. You be safe as well.
Personally I adore Rouge'a relationship with Shadow That's because while her other interactions mainly extend and stick to the Femme Fatale trope, her dynamic with Shadow showcases a very different side of her with traits one wouldn't expect like care and loyalty. I remember this scene where she tells Shadow to remember that she will always be on his side even if the whole world is against him, that really pulled my heart stringa
I love Shadow as much as everyone else, but his resemblance to Sonic always felt like a marketing thing. As you said, they pushed him really hard as an 'evil sonic' and while he went up against Sonic, there's not really any reason as to why they look similar (Other than a convenient excuse to frame Sonic). I really like the theory that Gerald Robotnik had a fascination with Echidna History. This explains why his first experiment (The Biolizard) has a resemblance to Chaos, and why his second experiment (Shadow) has a resemblance to Sonic. It all goes back to the mural of Perfect Chaos, and the mural of Super Sonic fighting against Final Weapon from Sonic 3K (Both murals appearing in ruins relating to the Echidnas). Other evidence of this are the 'Artificial Chaos' robots on the ARK, the Chaos Drives used by G.U.N. (Possibly developed by Gerald), and the fact that Shadow's quills are turned upward, like Super Sonic.
I can 100% believe the "Mecha Sonic" to "Mecha Godzilla" comparison. Even if it's not attributed, there is NO way they didn't, at least in passing, think of the great Metal Kaiju.
Yooo you completely predicted the origin of the Chaos Emeralds and the Chao. The Master Emerald's origins are still a mystery since it was on Earth when the Ancients arrived, I wonder if the DLC will answer this question.
;~; I never caught that the pink flicky was with amy even when chaos was to be faced... Gamma was such a good story, they only reached as far with Shadow's story, then never again.
I'm relieved to see that you ignored that whole 'Dr. Gerald messed with Shadow's memories' idea that's going around. So many people take that as fact just because it's on the Sonic Wiki page. I bet I (and possibly you) am the only person who bothered to check the source on that idea and discovered that's it's ONLY source is the PRIMA guide for SA2 (and we all know that while Prima guides are fantastic for game coverage (despite a lack of maps) they're sh#$ for lore accuracy). On a different note, I hope Sonic 3 takes a note from Sonic X and makes General Olive Garden the soldier that shot Maria.
Yeah, I never really liked that idea. They used it in Archie to an extent but here's hoping they don't go that route in Sonic 3. People are already theorizing the GUN soldier to shoot Maria will be Tom's father but I don't like that because Tom has no idea what GUN is in Sonic 2. So General Olive Garden would make the most sense
You properly should re do your research than as "Gerald messed with Shadow's memories" comes straight out of SA2 it was just entirely mistranslated. Where in the English dub Geralds message to the world says that the made Shadow's mind pure and perfect does the Japanese original version state that he completely controls Shadow's memories.(that is unless you want to daub well known fan translators Windii's translation of the scene. ) (I presume this mistranslation happened because the actual ingame graphics depicting Geralds diary already mistranslated it properly because those were made by the Japanese developers that didn't have the best English skills.)
@@TheMentok Just a quick reminder that GUN didn't existed 50 years ago in the Movie verse and so if anything would it have been regular American Militarys that raided whatever research facility Gerald was on.
@@TheMentok if it is Tom's father or grandfather, it will still make sense for me because chances are that the person in question is under oath to never speak or talk about the ARK incident, so its not too farfetched for him to never talk about his time in GUN. Especially if it is his grandfather or great-grandfather who killed Maria. Tom will never know because no one told him anything.
Professor Gerald basically admitted to altering Shadow's memories & that plot point while poorly translated is still present in the English Dialogue. Rouge clearly brought up the possibility in the cutscene before Final Chase in English. A lot of the plot points are easily missed by casuals who only see the stories once, & some details you have to exit the stages & boss fights then return to the story to get from character provided summaries.
Awesome origin video! 💫 Makes me wonder if Black Doom got his name idea from Chaos Doom? Also the ps3 apparently was released on my birthday and I didn't know...😅 Can't wait for Shadow to be in the 3rd Sonic movie!
There actually is another Metal Sonic animation! Sonic Mania Adventures- Part 6. It's a silly short, but I still love it! I'm also not sure if it "counts" but at the very least, it is official!
Adventure Era Sonic Characters not sure why Metal Sonic & Tiara are here instead of Big, Cream, & Omega. Wasn't there a Metal Knuckles that you fight in Sonic Advance as well? Sonic X probably deserves its own video. Also Shadow Androids were a thing even though they were only really in 2 Games. Can't wait to see Cream's video, she's probably the most slept on character in terms of importance to the series because of her connection to the Chao, which are somehow descended from The Ancients.
Never read the sonic comics but I can't believe how deep the lore is for Sonic 😂 (I'm only familiar with the Genesis and adventure games) this shit brazy
Metal Knuckles also appears in Sonic Advance as 'Mecha Knuckles'. Though its not confirmed if its the same robot or not, they are both created by Eggman
There's a little issue with Sonic CD, at least in the Sonic Gems Collection for the Nintendo GameCube, Sally is mentioned instead of Amy in the games manual.
While it would be cool if Metal Knuckles returns, I don't see him teaming up with Metal Sonic. Metal Sonic seems to have a mind of his own (In Sonic heroes and the IDW comics) that can disobey Eggman. Metals jealousy when Eggman shows off another powerful robot, would likely lead to Metal destroying Metal Knuckles out of jealously.
I swear on my life that Eggman told rougue she had big boobs in the sub for sonic x but I can't find it in the series anymore. Watched it back in 2012 on hulu
There's a big error from when u talked about Tiara in Archie Sonic. Artist Jon Gray was the one who featured Tiara Boobowski in those 2 cameos for Archie Sonic, not Ian Flynn. Those particular comics were made YEARS before Ian Flynn joined Archie Sonic. And while there hasn't been a definitive answer as to why Tiara is banned from being used in the comics, Flynn has theorized a few times on the Bumblekast Podcast series that the reasoning could be due to character ownership issues.
You cannot convince me that Rouge and Topaz weren't meant to be a couple. She is a gem thief. Her partner is named after a gem. SHE GIVES HER A RING. COME ON.
40:38 yeah, they should rest as oppose to putting one in your brand new game that you KNOW is gonna fail, but you need to get people interested no matter what, so you show him IN GAME FOR ONE CUTSCENE AND THATS IT!!! Not even a boss fight! *cough* *cough* Sonic Forces
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@TheMentok - Aged like milk
"I believe people can change for the better" @ Yuji Naka
Changed to be better- at insider trading ¥47,000,000 and getting indicted 😂
@@noahbolesta2587 I gave him a fair shot lol
There's something cuckish about using clips of black people to talk on your behalf.. stop doing that 😆
1:13:21
Eggman infected by deadly virus . which one Zombots. Or other
33:15 he literaly just told us the plot of sonic frontiers!
I know, right ? That das crazy how on point he was
@@alexos9011 le bro est visionnaire 🤣
57:51 I adore the detail that gamma’s internal voice is in the third person, it really adds a nice touch and makes him feel more interesting
18:46 This did not age well, given as Yuji Naka did not live nor learn at the time of his arrest.
33:45 My god... How did he know...
Honestly!! Wtf???!
MR YUJI NAKA IS NOT OKAY
Oh ik, I was like, bro he predicted it 😂
Mecha Sonic Mk.II has always been my favorite metal sonic. I used to think that Neo Metal Sonic took inspiration from Mk.II. I do hope to see Mk.II show up again.
We’re overdue for more Metal/Mecha Sonic models in the games
(Cough cough) Scrapnik Island (cough cough)
4:47
Rouge makes me feel things. I need to stop watching this before locked memories come flooding back.
I did not need to know this.
There's a model of a Mecha/Metal Sonic Sonic Adventure that's very definitely based off of MechaGodzilla so you're probably correct with your assumption.
Edit: Shoutout to Fleetway Metallix, too. He's one of my favourite robot Sonics
EDIT EDIT: Well, I should have held off of commenting because you address this point.
This was a blast to listen to man. Really enjoy just hearing you recount the characters backgrounds. I think your care for them comes out in the way you speak about them. Thanks for putting your heart into it and I’m looking forward to checking out he rest of your videos.
56:40
I don't think anything about Omega can be referred to as subtle
37:00 that and the game’s intro are definitely the most cinematic scenes I’ve seen in Sonic
Sonic Spinball was one of my favorite games. The OVA movie I could watch on repeat
Super underrated video man, you put so much effort into this and I hope you continue your journey on this channel my man
Thanks so much man! I'm here editing the next one at 3 AM so this comment definitely gave me some motivation.
Your chao theory aged really well haha
The first Sonic Advance game also has a Metal Knuckles in it as a boss.
25:04 Yeah, that sounds about right as a reaction.
Hi i was watching this, having a blast, but when i got to 33:38 i was so gobsmacked??????? Yt says this is from sept which means that like unless you worked on frontiers you just??????? guessed everything abt the chao straight up?????? like actually correct, WITH THE CHAOS EMERALDS TOO!!!!! How did you do this?????? Im so amazed!!! What!!!! Idk if u work w Sonic, so maybe i'm exagerating but like ????? That was amazing
5:08 Yes, Sonic 2’s “Mecha Sonic” was confirmed to be a direct inspiration off of Showa Mechagodzilla. And if we go into specifics in terms of time for a second, Sonic 2 released in 1992, and a year later, 1993’s “Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla” came out, in which Mechagodzilla sported a completely new design for the film. What I’m saying is, is that the Only Mechagodzilla Model(s) that existed at the time was the Showa one(s). (Technically, there are 2 Showa Mechagodzilla designs, but they’re practically the same except for minute details such as the Letters on Mechagodzilla’s arms, as he appeared in back to back movies that capped off the Showa Era of Godzilla movies in 1974 and 1975.)
33:12 (Predicts the Chao and Chaos Emeralds are from space)
57:11 (Gamma gets announced to Speed Battle the same time as the video)
Him: "I'm just a prophet"
JUST AS THE GAIA MANUSCRIPTS FORETOLD!
LOOK WHOS BACK😁
The back story of Metal Sonic, the blue taller and streamline was explained in the user manual of Sonic and Knuckles back in the 90s. It was a simple introduction where he was quote rebuilt to help then called Dr. Robotnik steal the Master Emerald and was actually the soul antagonist for Knuckles in the what if storyline where Sonic came to Angel Island just before the final battle between Knuckle and Metal Sonic commenced. Metal Sonic had a mind of his own and sought out the power of the Master Emerald for himself in Knuckle's storyline. In Sonic's storyline, Robotnik had complete control over Metal Sonic.
33:15
As it would turn out, he wasn't reaching
Bro called the hell outa the chao origins my god
Gotta tell ya the Rouge part of the compilation had me rolling with laughter. Thanks for that. Also is sonic lore as crazy as kh lore.. cause I didn't know about all the reasons and reboots. So thanks for that too. You be safe as well.
OH MY GOD THE GOOSEBUMPS AT THE SONIC TRANSFORMATION
Glad to have found this channel. These videos have been getting me through work.👌
holy shit this video is gonna be amazing
Personally I adore Rouge'a relationship with Shadow
That's because while her other interactions mainly extend and stick to the Femme Fatale trope, her dynamic with Shadow showcases a very different side of her with traits one wouldn't expect like care and loyalty. I remember this scene where she tells Shadow to remember that she will always be on his side even if the whole world is against him, that really pulled my heart stringa
Wow u nailed the alien lore for the chao sonic frontiers throws this theory right in the way it’s totally true now! 😳
Looks like STI turned into STD (Sega Technically Doomed)
I’ve been sick for the last 3 days and been stuck at home. I’m glad I found your channel dude. Keep pushin bro
metal sonic is so cool i love him
so gamma did what itachi uchiha couldn’t
G
55:54 OH MY GOSH, THAT'S WHY THE PINK FLICKY IS IN SONIC PRIME
I love Shadow as much as everyone else, but his resemblance to Sonic always felt like a marketing thing. As you said, they pushed him really hard as an 'evil sonic' and while he went up against Sonic, there's not really any reason as to why they look similar (Other than a convenient excuse to frame Sonic).
I really like the theory that Gerald Robotnik had a fascination with Echidna History. This explains why his first experiment (The Biolizard) has a resemblance to Chaos, and why his second experiment (Shadow) has a resemblance to Sonic. It all goes back to the mural of Perfect Chaos, and the mural of Super Sonic fighting against Final Weapon from Sonic 3K (Both murals appearing in ruins relating to the Echidnas).
Other evidence of this are the 'Artificial Chaos' robots on the ARK, the Chaos Drives used by G.U.N. (Possibly developed by Gerald), and the fact that Shadow's quills are turned upward, like Super Sonic.
I really love Metal Sonic's design.best mech design. Followed by E-102
You called the devil “black doom” slight mistake but it’s understandable, very good set of videos!
This is my first time watching one of your videos. Very well done!
I can 100% believe the "Mecha Sonic" to "Mecha Godzilla" comparison. Even if it's not attributed, there is NO way they didn't, at least in passing, think of the great Metal Kaiju.
Yooo you completely predicted the origin of the Chaos Emeralds and the Chao. The Master Emerald's origins are still a mystery since it was on Earth when the Ancients arrived, I wonder if the DLC will answer this question.
33:15 This man predicted the plot of Sonic Frontiers!
;~; I never caught that the pink flicky was with amy even when chaos was to be faced... Gamma was such a good story, they only reached as far with Shadow's story, then never again.
man hitting us withthe sonic 4 ost right at the beginning
11:53 when Metal Sonic Changed and went to help and sacrifice was tragic. Metal Sonic began to change
Tiara became Tikal
I remember all that sonic Xtreme stuff too. I was like??
33:16
Wow
SWEET GAIA BELOW, HE KNEW
Rouge the Bat ❤
Yes the typical “I am not a furry, but at the end of the day…” comment applies to me and most of you watching this video!
I'm relieved to see that you ignored that whole 'Dr. Gerald messed with Shadow's memories' idea that's going around. So many people take that as fact just because it's on the Sonic Wiki page. I bet I (and possibly you) am the only person who bothered to check the source on that idea and discovered that's it's ONLY source is the PRIMA guide for SA2 (and we all know that while Prima guides are fantastic for game coverage (despite a lack of maps) they're sh#$ for lore accuracy).
On a different note, I hope Sonic 3 takes a note from Sonic X and makes General Olive Garden the soldier that shot Maria.
Yeah, I never really liked that idea. They used it in Archie to an extent but here's hoping they don't go that route in Sonic 3. People are already theorizing the GUN soldier to shoot Maria will be Tom's father but I don't like that because Tom has no idea what GUN is in Sonic 2. So General Olive Garden would make the most sense
You properly should re do your research than as "Gerald messed with Shadow's memories" comes straight out of SA2 it was just entirely mistranslated.
Where in the English dub Geralds message to the world says that the made Shadow's mind pure and perfect does the Japanese original version state that he completely controls Shadow's memories.(that is unless you want to daub well known fan translators Windii's translation of the scene. )
(I presume this mistranslation happened because the actual ingame graphics depicting Geralds diary already mistranslated it properly because those were made by the Japanese developers that didn't have the best English skills.)
@@TheMentok
Just a quick reminder that GUN didn't existed 50 years ago in the Movie verse and so if anything would it have been regular American Militarys that raided whatever research facility Gerald was on.
@@TheMentok if it is Tom's father or grandfather, it will still make sense for me because chances are that the person in question is under oath to never speak or talk about the ARK incident, so its not too farfetched for him to never talk about his time in GUN. Especially if it is his grandfather or great-grandfather who killed Maria.
Tom will never know because no one told him anything.
Professor Gerald basically admitted to altering Shadow's memories & that plot point while poorly translated is still present in the English Dialogue. Rouge clearly brought up the possibility in the cutscene before Final Chase in English. A lot of the plot points are easily missed by casuals who only see the stories once, & some details you have to exit the stages & boss fights then return to the story to get from character provided summaries.
Awesome origin video! 💫 Makes me wonder if Black Doom got his name idea from Chaos Doom? Also the ps3 apparently was released on my birthday and I didn't know...😅 Can't wait for Shadow to be in the 3rd Sonic movie!
33:16 spot on except for the Master Emerald
1:46 the kabuki YOOOO killed me😂
Well that personal chao theory might not be wrong
The edits are amazing 👏
The Sonic OVA rules. I’ve watched it so many times. Also, the American voices are some of the best versions of the characters.
Didn’t expect to see that guys face 😅
Honestly Shadow's final design is better because it can pass a Silhouette test.
Honestly, I wish they used Gamma's beta designs for the other E series robots.
There actually is another Metal Sonic animation! Sonic Mania Adventures- Part 6. It's a silly short, but I still love it! I'm also not sure if it "counts" but at the very least, it is official!
10:47 thank you for confirming that I should never pick up an Archie Sonic comic ever in my life…
33:17 wow that was very accurate
Lmao 😂 😂 😂 the rasta robot lmao 🤣 I lost it im screaming lmao the best to ever do it.
You literally predicted the space origin!
I can confirm sonic extreme is the plot of sonic frontiers
Sonic adventure was so goated. Peak sonic
Rouge and Topaz just gals bein' pals
Mecha Sonic Mk 3 has the 1974 Mechagodzillas chest
As a fan of both series i have to love it by default
Oh cool
is Black Doom even canon anymore
I think it’s one of those things where he’s canon but will probably never be referenced again 🤣
@@TheMentok Including a certain G.U.N Commander? Because he sucks.
@@TheMentok well this aged
The answer is yes.
The Black arms even got a mention in Frontiers.
Did they use Princess Tiara as inspiration for Blaze? A playable character that acts as a Sonic clone with slight differences, a cat, and a princess.
they called him a madman.
i love the death note music running gag
“… IF METAL SONIC AND HE….” 7:40
Adventure Era Sonic Characters not sure why Metal Sonic & Tiara are here instead of Big, Cream, & Omega. Wasn't there a Metal Knuckles that you fight in Sonic Advance as well? Sonic X probably deserves its own video. Also Shadow Androids were a thing even though they were only really in 2 Games. Can't wait to see Cream's video, she's probably the most slept on character in terms of importance to the series because of her connection to the Chao, which are somehow descended from The Ancients.
Never read the sonic comics but I can't believe how deep the lore is for Sonic 😂 (I'm only familiar with the Genesis and adventure games) this shit brazy
Not the Chad Warden clip! I was in high school when I first saw that
my dude there a lot of story that was saved for later hopefully you almost got to them or to any of them
Metal Knuckles also appears in Sonic Advance as 'Mecha Knuckles'. Though its not confirmed if its the same robot or not, they are both created by Eggman
So uh, Frontiers Spoilers
Chaos' ancestors were from space, not sure where the Chao lay now but I'd assume them and the Koco are related
There's a little issue with Sonic CD, at least in the Sonic Gems Collection for the Nintendo GameCube, Sally is mentioned instead of Amy in the games manual.
What about the metal knuckles in the sonic advance series?
While it would be cool if Metal Knuckles returns, I don't see him teaming up with Metal Sonic. Metal Sonic seems to have a mind of his own (In Sonic heroes and the IDW comics) that can disobey Eggman. Metals jealousy when Eggman shows off another powerful robot, would likely lead to Metal destroying Metal Knuckles out of jealously.
I've just always assumed the doll tails and metal knuckles failures were used as target practice in gammas first stage of sonic adventure 1 🤣
I swear on my life that Eggman told rougue she had big boobs in the sub for sonic x but I can't find it in the series anymore. Watched it back in 2012 on hulu
There's a big error from when u talked about Tiara in Archie Sonic. Artist Jon Gray was the one who featured Tiara Boobowski in those 2 cameos for Archie Sonic, not Ian Flynn. Those particular comics were made YEARS before Ian Flynn joined Archie Sonic. And while there hasn't been a definitive answer as to why Tiara is banned from being used in the comics, Flynn has theorized a few times on the Bumblekast Podcast series that the reasoning could be due to character ownership issues.
if e-102 is raziel, does that make amy rose the elder god?
"become my soul reaver, my angel of death"
The IDW comics are fun cause they reference music theme lyrics
7:18 I am late, but you missed a mecha copy. Shadow Androids!
Prevent miracle planet from being terraformed
To power up Metalix
I think E 1000s are made to make Sonic and gang feel bad killing his likeness cause gamma betrayed him
Is tiara... tikal?
Chaos moved on without explicitly dying?
42:33 Yo why's Amy dressed like a gym member from 2050??
You cannot convince me that Rouge and Topaz weren't meant to be a couple. She is a gem thief. Her partner is named after a gem. SHE GIVES HER A RING. COME ON.
40:38 yeah, they should rest as oppose to putting one in your brand new game that you KNOW is gonna fail, but you need to get people interested no matter what, so you show him IN GAME FOR ONE CUTSCENE AND THATS IT!!! Not even a boss fight! *cough* *cough* Sonic Forces
Did metalix pull a cooler
He basically used the the big ghetty star to harvest a distant planet to power himself up
19:00 wow that did not age well lmao
Shadow being played lmaoooo
......did he PREDICT THE CHAO'S ORIGIN'S???
Tf where was Cream I was waiting D:
Swear the use of Idris Elba makes my life #OhShit😂😂😂😂
MANNNNN chaos 4...
1:22:18 Look up 'sheep dipping.'