“He must’ve been using it for some kind of artistic purpose” is the most horrifying logic I’ve ever heard. CP is illegal because it’s made through the sexual abuse of children, supporting that industry in any way and for any reason is morally reprehensible.
That is why normal pictures of people exist on the internet! Plenty of reference material! Instead these mofos bought clearly sexual magazines depicting CP. Like how tf is that for "artistic purposes"
@@airena1449 you can't really try to make sense of an artist's mind, they be using the weirdest thing as a reference material. But all it takes to know why using CP as a material is bad is common sense.
Since everyting is CP, regardless of what is portrayed, there is nothing to argue right now. You people are excellent in persecuting absolute BS claims while letting real children suffer, it really disgusts me to my core.
@@BQD_Central what the fuck are you talking about, are you defending the sexual abuse of children???? How is buying material of real children being sexually abused not a problem to you? You’re insane dude
It's the same as "the vvar on drvgs". Catching the consumer, won't stop the dealers. And said dealers for every consumer caught, they become more savvy on how to keep their operation going. It's a sad eternal game of cat and mouse.
Just think about all those missing children cases. I'm pretty sure that pedo stuff is a problem in every sector where people got power. As for the reason why, I think it's because the moment you got enough power to do shit that's not allowed makes them want to do it. And from what I know of Japan and what Joey said, it isn't even that seriously looked upon there. And despite what Joey says, I'm with Conner that the problem already lies with the lolicon stuff, though it may keep some people from doing disgusting things ...
@@illuvatar6985 It definetely does. I think there has been a study over how arts like these make less of a chance for people to do those horrible things.
@@illuvatar6985 "I'm with Conner that the problem already lies with the lolicon stuff" Kinda the reverse actually, lolicon may "normalize" the fetish, and that's definitely not a good thing, but it limits real acts a lot, way more than it provokes them. Try to imagine a world where porn doesn't exist anymore, will the rape rate increase or decrease ? It will be the former, without a doubt, even if porn also increased the number of incest/non-consensual rough play fetishes for example, their actual numbers didn't increase, and actually decreased.
In Japan, the penalty for having CP is either 1 year in prison or a fine of like 1 million yen, I think. On the other hand, being in possession of marijuana is 5 years in prison.
@@Rin_Chawngthu CP being illegal to possess in Japan is a relatively recent law change. A few years back it would've been legal. Does it make it any better? No of course not. But it just adds to how Japan's a really messed up place. It just looks squeaky clean. I suspect the low crime rate is just a lot of unreported crime for the purpose of saving face (Similar to how Turkey's reported inflation is far less than. It's actual inflation). Or known crimes that aren't reported because "Shouganai" and/or Yakuza related businesses. Such as Rental Girlfriends where people can literally buy the escort of a high school girl as often referenced in Doujins or whole manga series revolving around that concept.
@@PK_Scratch i see. Pluse have you seen that live video of a streamer who captured 4 guys carrying a seemingly drunken girl into a car and just drove off. He reported it to the police but he didn't follow it up because he was a foreigner
It isn't just manga artists. If you're a manga fan, it just feels that way. There are plenty of rock stars, actors, writers, etc. that are arrested for the same thing and worse.
I was about to say the same thing. It seems like there's always a story of someone in Hollywood that's getting busted for it every other month. It just looks like its only Manga because that's all we pay attention too, but it's really everywhere.
I mean look at the UK, one of our "princes", a singer with a popular Christmas song, and a hugely well know TV personality, who got knighted, are know to be "not on normal courtyard exercise".
Joey has been singling out and attacking Japan for a while now, but it feels like he's gotten really intense about it in the last 2 years. Most of his videos are negative, and he keeps pushing misleading information, like Japan's abuse rates. I don't know what it is, but he, like refuses to pushback on any attacks against Japan, like VICE's recent hitpiece, and yet he gives excess attention to anything negative about the country.
i find japan to be a country of contrast, they have the lowest crime rates in the world yet are the only one to have separate trains for women for obvious reasons
Literally.. I feel like one day it’s “making innocent videos with questionable copyright and littering” and the next day “it’s ‘cp’ and the ‘r’ words”..
As a CP ring, with members in the *several hundreds,* has been uncovered in Germany like a week ago, I can confidently say it's not just manga artists. It's just that manga artists get more exposure in the media. What interests me is a potential connection between that and this. The manga artist did say he imported the CP magazines from Germany, didn't he?...
He has apparently imported old (80s and 90s) nudist magazines like "Jung & Frei". There is quite a huge grey area around this here in Germany and owning these is not strictly illegal as long as you don't do it like Sebastian Edathy (he is the reason why it's now a grey area). Calling it "CP mag" (or CP in general) is a bit sensationalist.
@@Lumilicious I was already wondering what cp magazines. I almost forgot about those ancient nudist magazines. Yeah. Such stuff was around but it wasnt my time to look after those. As i was not at the age to get those out the store. Also had other things to think of.
@Mallakian Have you watched the video? Joey mentioned it early on. We probably can't type it in here as TH-cam doesn't quite allow it but please web-search "CP crime meaning" and you may have your answer.
you could have a mandatory death sentence and the people who can avoid the arrests still wouldn't care. The problem isn't only the sentence, it's more the people who don't have to care about it.
This is so sad to see. As to why this is happening especially with the manga artists is hard to say, I just hope there isn't some bigger scheme of a pedo ring within the mangakas, since that would obviously be a much bigger problem.
It might be like another church priest situation. Where either the job makes you like CP or those that want CP try to get the job. Either way, it sounds like mangakas are more likely to have CP than the general population.
the question shouldn't be "why is it only manga artists" it should be; is it really *just* manga artists or is there others out there who are responsible/guilty of these things and its only manga artists being pushed into the media's spotlight
If I remember correctly, Watsuki was charged and had to pay a few thousand dollar fine. That's it. Just a fine and a slap on the wrist and then back to working at Shonen Jump. Keep in mind that Shonen Jump is a magazine that has kids and teenagers as it's main demographic. It's pretty crazy.
you forgot Mitsutoshi Shimabukuro, the man got caught paying a kid doing lewd things then his series at that time, Leader Takeshi-Den got cancelled by Jump, suspended and somehow after serving, he come back and Jump said "Well come on over" with Toriko and sold 25 million fking copies and ran for 43 volumes...Crazy
TBH, I am from Germany and what I learned since middle school is: cp crimes happen often here in school related social groups, church related social groups, (professional) sport related social groups, in families, by friends of the parents, actors, singers, painters… literally almost everywhere. It seems like the monsters who do this, are often having a lot of authority which the child can’t really reject (that’s the result of one of the commissions published some days ago) or the child gets (majorly mentally) overpowered by the monster and manipulated to even offer the actions. For example if the monster was a trainer and the victim wanted to do sport professionally, the trainer made clear that this career is over if the victim isn’t more willing and offers some actions. Totally disgusting. One trainer even got in jail, but now he is training again teenage girls which was his victim group. Absolutely horrible.
Was hat das jetzt mit deutschland zutun? Guck dir mal russland philippinen thailand japan an Wir sind für viel scheisse bekannt aber cp ist mir wirklich neu Zudem (und ich bin nichtmal christ) geht mir dieses auf die kirche kacken so aufn sack Wir haben weit über eine milliarden christen und weiß gott wie viele kirchen Guck dir mal muslimische länder an wo es literally nach islamischen fatwas und sunnahs (rechtssprechungen und lebensweise des propheten) legal ist kinder zu heiraten Kirche ist halt nur gross in den medien weil boohoo kirche macht böse sachen und weil die taten gedeckt wurden (was absolut zu kritisieren ist) Ansonsten ist pedophilie da genau so verbreitet wie überall und es ist absolut unnötig es ständig zu erwähnen vorallem wenns um nen japaner geht
worst part about this is how lenient sentencing is in Germany. Not just does law enforcement not even really go after these criminals unless someone from the public has gathered overwhelming evidence, but when they do get arrested they usually get 2-4 years of probation...
@@insu_na that’s so true. I know so many rape and stalking victims who didn’t even bother to go to the police because the rapist wouldn’t get sentenced properly and they would not really get help, but be retraumatized and humiliated several times. Especially in Berlin you don’t really get help. I remember how a neighbor asked for help because his brother in law threatened to kill him. The guy even had a gun which is super uncommon in Germany. My neighbor didn’t get any help, was laughed at by the officer and shot a few days later. When a woman who I grew up with was killed by her adopted daughter and her friend for 100 €, the judge said it was the victim‘s fault because of her sexual orientation (which was in no way related to the crime) and sentenced the two murderer to two and five years of jail, but they could get out of jail after a super short time because of „Bewährung“. I could continue with this kind of stories almost infinitely. I remember how a judge wanted to change it, but she committed suicide after several things.
As someone who works with probation officers in the US, there are many CP offenders I see who don’t get long sentences. :/ But my thought is that it’s not just a trend with manga artists that get caught with CP, I think there are many people across the general population that are accessing this however because they are manga artists- they are the only ones you are hearing about due to them having a name. It’s a dark thought, but CP is a huge issue across the entire world and just about anyone can access it. :(
@@starlord157 it could depend from state to state, but being in CT- I have seen sentences of 10 years Jail but suspended after serving 2 years, probation for 10 years. Etc. this could vary from 10 images to 100s/1000s of images - also if it’s someone’s first offense that could be less of a sentence versus a repeat offender. I think the idea is that the criminal Justice system is trying to keep our prisons from being over filled so offenders serve less time because of that. This also depends from judge to judge too honestly- some are easier on younger offenders while giving harsher sentences to people of color, etc. It’s very frustrating working in this field !
@@nitro2525k If it’s ch*ld p*rn, which it was, i’m pretty sure it’s illegal in Germany as well. It was just available to get there, not necessarily legal
"Why is it always manga artists?" But is it? If a stock broker gets caught with CP, would we even know? If some random salaryman gets busted with the second-largest CP collection in Japanese history, would we even know (the very biggest might make the news)?
Because Joey, and his Western group have gotten ridiculously anti-japan in the last few years, and will do anything to slander it. And Manga is inherently tied to Japanese culture. Unless he has some explanation why he singles out Japan for issues like this, and constantly frames it as a Japanese problem, or an anime problem, and doesn't even touch on the fact that this issue is literally several times worse in every English-speaking country, which is his primary audience.
@@Phatnaru0002 You shouldn't take any of those numbers without a grain of salt sure, but Japans police force and justice system are pretty well known to be broken. If you're charged with a crime in Japan guess what the numbers are for being found guilty? Go on, take a guess. Did you guess the odds are 99.9% guilty? LOL I mean, if that number doesn't tell you somethings terribly wrong! And the number of guilty verdicts is that high in part because only 8% of cases are even pursued! So roughly 92% of cases aren't even pursued! Hard to add those cases to cold hard numbers on crime statistics when you don't even know if they happened and you're not planning on arresting anyone. These aren't controversial numbers btw, I doubled checked and even Nippon news, a giant Japanese news organization, corroborated them.
"Why it's always manga artists?" It really isn't, that's just confirmation bias. For one you could say most cases you end up not even knowing about, since the criminals are not well known, but even looking at only well known figures you could say "Why it's always *blank*" for many other groups of people. If anything it's important to raise awareness to this kinda of stuff, it ain't just manga artists, the predators are all over the place and the majority of them ain't famous.
Yeah, Talking like why is it alvays them is damaging their reputation as profession. And if you disagree then what about being a priest... The reputation of the profession was shaken because based on some examples where similar logic was applied... This wont fix the problem....
Yea and it's important to note that the manga artist got it from overseas because he couldn't get hold of it from Japan. Meaning that there are bigger fish on European countries to catch rather than Japan.
@@ariavachier-lagravech.6910 doesn't really justify japan's disregard on the situation. We shouldn't be deluded by the image of a "dream country" whether it's on the east or west.
@@weirdbro6597 bro I don't know if you can read or not but I never justify it at all and as we can see from how hard it is to obtain CP in Japan compared to European countries it is implied that Japan take the CP stuffs more seriously. Maybe you should acquire reading comprehension first before replying because clearly you don't understand anything.
Thing is, you see this a lot with WESTERN cartoon artists too. Not just at a large scale either, but the amount of twitter artists caught doing this is insane. To an extent, you have to wonder if they create their art to get closer to the audience they wanna diddle. Or if the fact they garner that type of audience puts those ideas in their heads after they've gained popularity.
I mean pointing out that western artist do it to doesn’t exactly make it right… and I would argue to a much higher extent than what would happen elsewhere Japan seems to have this strange affinity for school girls and shit and you can like buy girls panties in vending machines.. ngl is strange
@@SteezyMPeezy Where tf did I say that it was okay to do?? It's obviously bad, I don't think I need to point that out, do I?? But I do definitely agree that japan's uhh... "culture" doesn't seem to help the issue.
@@SteezyMPeezy Loli is meant to be cute. Putting sexy into the mix is the problem But it's that can of worms again; since it's fictional, is it still bad
I think the reason its "always manga artists" is a stigma/popularity thing. With manga artists drawing certain types of content, it creates a stigma that puts them in that category, so when that happens, it becomes profitable/expected to report on it. I feel that there is many cases you just never hear about because its just never covered in the news. I feel that may actually be the the harm of many of the artists that live normal lives.
I was thinking about different question "Why many manga artist criminal charge revolve around CP?" If I want to compare a public figure, I do it with other similar public figure.
Well....Japan itself in the anime and manga community is a loli-con infested place. It's literally the environment they grow up in. Like manga characters that look like children in weird situations, it's not wrong to assume that after all of this. I wouldn't be surprised if the manga artist for dragon maid got arrested for this.
@@malikfaisal416 Because Japan in the anime and manga community has developed from cute and innocent characters to high-school kids in short clothes in weird positions... to straight up children in weird situations..
@@nobody3281 Dude...it's practically the same concept. It's basically just an outlet for them. No just because they draw kids in weird outfits it doesn't mean anything but them being a p word is just more likely. Just because it's fiction doesn't make it any less impactful or weird when their still represented as kids and act like kids.
I think when Joey is speaking about America, he is only referring to USA, because in Latin America almost 90% of crimes related to CP, Rword or SA towards minors remain in impunity. As mexican, our country is referred to be the paradise for molesters... so it's not just a thing that people ignores or don't give the right severity in Japan, it happens everywhere.
As a peruvian, people themselves get to punish the abuser (especially if is a child abuser). The last one was in prison, after being beated up, until he k1lled himself weeks later. For the ones who Rword, is prison for 10 to 35 years. We don't have life sentence sadly.
@@decristal48 va a sonar cruel de mi parte, pero que bueno que los golpean, se lo merecen pues lamentablemente la mayoría de esas personas no sientes consecuencias de sus actos hasta que ellos mismos viven una situación traumatica o son golpeados casi al punto de la muerte y la verdad se lo merecen.
I really don't think it's only mangaka that use CP in Japan, just that they are the ones that get into the news, especially Overseas news, and 3 or 4 mangaka getting caught with it over decades doesn't exactly make it a rampant problem , when there are 4000+ active manga artists in any given year.
Yeah i’ve heard stories about people in japan getting caught with cp, or done worse, and they never get too publicized bc 1. They do everything to keep it private bc it will bring shame not only to them but to their families and 2. The impact to the public isn’t as huge when they’re not a popular person ex. Manga artist… plus if im not mistaken cp wasn’t even an offense in japan a a couple of decades ago… so im pretty sure those stuff still isnt as controlled compared to the west…
No one is saying it's just mangaka. It's because of the large amount of fan service for underage characters in the medium which why people are focusing on it more
I think it "always being manga artists" is just confirmation bias. Kind of how you could ask "why is always TH-camrs?" or "Why is it always politicians?". These terrible people come from all walks of life but we mainly only hear about the ones with a platform.
I think the latter examples are more so because those people are in explicit positions of power that can and too often will threaten their victims into silence, resulting in the criminal feeling like they can get away with worse, but I get what you mean. Reporters focus on what will get the most attention, and bad news always does.
i think in this case this is true. if you watch enough media and politicians too you start to realize something like this is very exploitable. if it sounds like mangaka and cp is a thing, that gets clicks and it’s a basis to get people to thinking “manga=bad”. it’s profitable and beneficial politically. at the very least you can distract people from an issue you don’t want people to talk about
Yeah, if you go looking, you will find cartoonists and comic writers who have been arrested or alleged to have done similar things. I imagine the cross over has to do with the fact that manga is viewed by children, and so being a mangaka can give you greater access to children. Much like how you will probably find predators in schools, daycares, sports, etc. They are drawn to careers that give them access to children.
I don't understand... With all the loli and teenagers sexualized in manga/anime by manga artists, how is anyone surprised that some have been caught interested in and doing these things in real life? Like to me, it's just... duh.
Denial. I won't read any manga with a child being sexualized, but many people give excused as to why they still read stuff like this...so they don't want to admit they play a part supporting those people even when they got exposed publicly
Okay but most of those designs aren’t made to look like kids, while I agree it’s still disgusting no matter what don’t compare fictional teenage girls that look like 20 year olds to real children being harmed like disgusting no matter what but one is obviously way worse then the other
I feel the reason so many manga artists got caught being into CP is because it's not the manga artist title itself, it's that they were already into CP waaaay before being a manga artist. It's just when they chose to be a manga artist, I feel like maybe they chose an artistic method to create a world they can get access to CP without breaking the law. But then when they started their career as a manga artist, their reputation got better and their ego got bigger, so now they have nothing to fear and that's when they decide to commit the crime. It's not all manga artists. It's just these gulty individuals were already guilty prior to being a manga artist. They escaped into the field of manga art as a way to hide their guilty self.
I think there's another reason why this is frequently happening to older people in Japan. First off I'm not defending CP. A lot of older Japanese people grew up in a time where there was no concept of CP and believed this was just normal. CP was actually only banned in Japan in 1999 because the Japanese government wanted to look good to the west. So for a lot of Japanese people growing up at that time that was a huge culture shock. Kenya Suzuki is 40, that would mean he was about 18 when the ban on CP was implemented in Japan. So I could imagine as a growing adult this would have been hard for him to accept since it's totally different from what he and a whole generation of Japanese people grew up with. To put this into perspective, some psychologists believe that 25 and not 18 is when a person is mentally mature to be an adult. Now imagine if suddenly governments declared that 25 is now the legal age. I would believe it would be hard for a lot of people to accept that suddenly a 24 year old is a minor, and almost all the porn that they are used to watching is suddenly classified as "child porn". Or that people who are above 25 who were dating people aged 18-24 are suddenly declared as pedophiles. Again I'm not defending CP, I just think this is a case of culture shock or people having a hard time adjusting to modern times.
@@bumblebeeman2103 Yeah. You know that actress who played Gogo from Kill Bill? She had like a nude photobook when she was only 14. And there were a lot of these back in the 90's, but they were a bit hard to find in the internet since search engines were primitive and Japan wasn't much connected to the internet back then.
@@bumblebeeman2103 the only reason you think its wrong its because school and parents taught you that.....if it was normal for years in Japan what do you think the west is ? simple....brainwashed people...and honestly....its easy to brainwash kids..ofc Japan has different brainwashing than the west but it exist there too............here a little experiment you can do if you got kids if you want proof........teach ur kid X is bad and X is good.....see what happen when they grow up and how they react to what you taught them.....the brain basic thinking is neutral....depending on weither the kid is indifferent or dislike what you suggested does impact the teaching.....if the feeling is indifferent you can easily push it into either positive or negative....but if they oppose to what your trying to teach them then its not something you can manipulate.....in my case screw teaching i received..i follow 1 personnal rule "mutual agreement regardless of third party thinking"...basicly i respect others choices as long it doesn't come to harm me...i'am free from the brainwash..although some of the teaching still linger on my mind stopping me from being fully free....have a good day, maybe someday you will break free from your brainwashing
I also studied japan history during my uni stay and I build a thesis and theory about WHAT IF this is because of the past wars? like i think everyone know about Japan and Korea didnt or prob will never have a good relationship, and about the time where prost are a very high demanding thing during war time and theyre also ended up being prost because of fam debt. Its not just girls became one, some boys ended up becoming one as well and I realized…. ALL OF THEM ARE MINOR LIKE VERY MINOR, and i believed at that time IT WAS OKAY fpr them but looking back you know eveyrealizing….. that never normal
I theorize that manga/anime is just more degen in general so the chances of someone doing shit is just increased. But at the same time we know that violent video games don't cause violence so...
@@capybearuh i think there's something incomparable between sexual lust and lust for murder and violence. Sure both can overlap into something more messed up, but judging them separately, it's easier for someone to be a sex offender than a genuine psychopath
I really feel bad for the children harmed in the middle of it, this creates scars for life. And for parents too: knowing some sick "fans" are there defending the perpetrators of the crimes done to their children, is a really messed up thing on top of a tragedy.
I can't believe he isn't lumping lolicon shit with real CP. It's all the same to me. Depicting abuse of children is linked to the sort of crimes being discussed here.
@@bringsnsdback1645 Yes, I honestly can't say that this type of criminal even deserves forgiveness. I imagine the people who are trying to defend this author are maybe very distanced of any case of it in real life, with anyone close to them. (And I live for your username)
Joey seems to forget the both Kenshin and Toriko author is that they are very good friends with Oda. The Author of Toriko was arrested during his 1st manga, and came back with the Help of Oda by collaborating with him and created Toriko. When it comes to Crimes in Japan, as long as you're connected with someone powerful you're actually good.
The connection to Oda is not necessary to avoid jail time, as the law in this case is very soft. In this same case the author did not go to prison. The connection is important to get a second chance.
My little brother has a first name starting with C and a last name starting with P. When he’d make things artistically as a kid, he used to always sign them with CP. When he’d label things for himself in the fridge, he’d label them CP. He stopped doing that when he found out what his initials mean online.
Could be coincidence or just be a bigger headline to put out there. Random Office worker caught with CP magazines. Big name Manga artist caught with CP magazines. Just a thought but it does really suck that someone could create something people love would have that dark side to them.
Being in journalism I can tell you 100% that's what it was; it's also the reason why I don't agree with news journalists anymore most have some sort of bias & aren't actually the people's informant these days
what the world needs is for a mangaka to make a manga about an office worker getting caught with CP and then for the mangaka themselves to get caught with CP, CP-ception
There are hundreds of CP crimes each year done by all kind of people, nothing to do with manga artists. The fact these crimes are in the news in japan is because the perpetrator is a public figure. If the guy was a plumber you would not see it in the news. That is also the reason it is mainly reported in Japan, since outside the country manga artists are not that well knwon by the public. Public figures crimes = clicks and clicks = money, and that is what the media cares about.
@@TP-tg8cc that’s not why they report on it though, they report it because they’re a public figure. media outlets choose what’s more interesting, most would argue a mangakas life is more interesting than your “average joe”
@@TP-tg8cc I don't think OP is saying they *shouldn't* report when mangaka do these things, rather that the reporting tends to cause viewers to generalize. So, for example, it could be that CP related crime rates for mangaka are in-line with the general populous, but the reporting makes it seem like mangaka commit the crime more (i.e., overrepresentation of mangaka in news stories).
8:01 I truly feel horrified about this. In America most people do take it seriously. Unfortunately I work in juvenile corrections and the current statistic is 89% of all juvenile offenders have been sexually traumatized under the age of 12. This doesn't include regular abuse IE beatings, starvation, etc. People act upset in America then conveniently turn their heads and move on. Our own Child Protective Services will return children to these homes or "schedule" visits well in advance to give guardians time to put on a good show. I truly wish we'd do more. We can do more to combat this epidemic. Trafficking of children and teens is now the business of gangs in America too. They're moving away from drugs because exploiting children is more profitable and easier to get away with in the U.S.
At least you know if someone in the US gets charged with child molestation or something like that they’ll be fearing for their lives in prison with even the guards turned against them. In Japan there’s no real consequence it seems… plus it’s so normalized in Japanese media.
I am glad you brought this up. I am a voluteer hotline worker for Rape crissis and child possession center. This is a chain we must break or it will get worse.
There was a kids youtube channel which today was terminated called fantastic adventures where there is this one mother who adopted kids to be actors, when they forget their lines, the pentalty was WAY TOO UNFAIR as they were locked in cupboards for days without food or water. The whole situation was reported by none other than her biological daughter.
I wouldn't doubt if the CPS agents were responsible for it sometimes. The American system is so fucked I honestly belive many of these kids are better off in their current abusive homes than a new one. Too many people look at foster care as a paycheck.
Both of my sisters were molested as children. Nothing ever happened to the guy. I wanted to talk about it to one of my sisters but I don't want to bring up that dark part of the past. I feel the need to almost pretend it never happened.
@@woozihae and no slandering art enjoyers like me as CP defenders as we only defend the art that isn't associated with the crime such as Rurouni Kenshin.
He and Nobuhiro were arrested for having "girls in bikinis" content. It's not actual pornography. In many cases it doesn't even involve children, but teenagers 12 to 16 years old.
I support your "zero tolerance" stance. If you love manga and anime, you have to be against the PoS that commit crimes and ruin the medium's reputation. No matter how popular or beloved they are.
Something I have always said and pushed was that yes, you can love a piece of artwork or Literature, but doesn't mean the person who created it is perfect. JK Rowling and Lovecraft have series that people adore and love with it even bringing people together and yet those authors have really bad views on certain groups of people when they talked in public (or in lovecraft's part when he was alive). There comes a point when a piece of art becomes more about what it makes you feel rather then whatever the author is about. That means that those who love the Manga should not try to defend the Mangaka just because they like the Manga. But thats just a view I have at least.
Thanks for bringing some light to this Joey. I was a huge fan of Galko as a character and as an anime, so finding out about this was pretty heartbreaking. It shows that you really shouldn't ever put too much faith in the creator of something you like. It's pretty twisted that these cases are just given a slap on the wrist-or totally brushed under the rug-while many figures in Japan have had their whole lives and careers erased from the public image just for being in possession of marijuana.
There's probably hundreds of cases like this in Japan that go unnoticed in the west because the criminals aren't well-known manga artists. So I don't think it's an issue specifically centered around manga artists, they're just the ones that make headlines. Why it tends to happen with shonen manga artists specifically tho? Now that's an interesting question.
Probably out of desperately, loneliness, lack of satisfaction, anxiety, less break hours and heavy load of work. As a person that lived in Asia before, Asia is hell so I kinda know why they did it but yeh, I’mma go have it look around more deeper to the first crime that happened, I don’t think it’s a coincident too.
There must be thousands, it's scary how common that is, the other day a discord I was, the owner account got hacked and they added over 50 bots that would send cp, everyone left and the discord obviously got deleted by discord themselves
its probably about the career of making manga, something that kids tend to read, that attracts pedophiles... especially shonen and shojo which tends to be marketed towards a younger demographic
Shonen seems to be the biggest demographic, so statistically, it probably checks out, since very artist looking to turn their craft into a career has more then likely dabbled in the genre.
@@jgobea0188 Yeah, I also heard there was a gaming design staff member messaging like 14 year old for the free game and later he got arrested and fired for that, it was a long time ago but damn, it’s still happening.
The odd bit is that there are hundreds of manga artists that have Lolis and stuff in their explicitly ecchi work, yet it’s usually the artists of series that don’t revolve around that stuff that turn out to have actual CP in their possession or try to do some of that awful crap. I’m not accusing those artists I first mentioned I just think it’s well kinda odd and not what you’d expect
@Mădălina I mean you’re probs not wrong, but I just don’t think it does much for my happinesss to keep thinking it might be the case. I’d rather just assume people aren’t monsters in general, and deal with the disappointment on an individual basis Also as to your mentione of someone who got into irl loli shit (it genuinely feels wrong to type that out) imma just say that’s some nasty ass shit and I really hope whoever didn’t hurt anyone, then imma leave it be and move on.
Makes sense to me tbh. You put in fiction things you know you can't do in real life. Besides, people who do that shit IRL knows making manga about it is going to make them more sus, whereas innocent people have nothing to hide, and know any accusations against them will be groundless, given them the courage to make those kinds of fiction. Honestly not odd at all :P
For a lot of the people drawing and enjoying that kind of stuff it's nothing more than fantasy. Most of these people wouldn't actually do anything to a child unless you lock them up with one for a few days even if they do happen to like children that way (though honestly this goes for most people when they're locked into a room with someone they're attracted to. At some point the urge is going to take over and with someone always there, there's nowhere for it to go). Statistically the people who do things to children are people who tend to put themselves in a position where they think they can get away with it. So it tends to be teachers, sports club people, friends of the family or even relatives. Someone who isn't above doing things with a real child or has actual CP may also enjoy loli-stuff, but... not everyone who enjoys loli-stuff enjoys CP or would do anything with an actual child.
Trust me, it’s not a problem with manga authors. It’s the entertainment industry as a whole. Ever see the kind of stuff Hollywood, politicians and rich elites do behind the scenes? The whole world is this way unfortunately.
@CDNU if you're not for Dragon ball, i got you covered, the Vic Migonnia allegations were false, first off when a woman asked Sean Schemmel for her autograph, Sean pulled her shirt to peek at her cleavage and he doesn't get backlash. but what makes Sean worse than a pervert is when the same woman hugged Vic Migonnia politely, Vic gets falsely accused by none other than Sean Schemmel, Chris Sabat and Monica Rial. That's just the dubbed Dragon Ball
I personally feel it has something to do with it being so okay in the world of Anime and Manga. I suffered CP from my uncle and he would watch/read shows/manga featuring young children being sexualized. I know for people there is a disconnect between reality and fiction but not everyone has that disconnect and I feel that it's just okayed way too often. People are also going to continue to be bold about it because, as you said, all they get is a slap on the wrist.
While I can see your point, it is important to note that the mangaka get it from overseas (specifically Europe) because as he said it is impossible to get it on Japan. Meaning it's completely unfair to just point at anime because it shows that other countries that is not strong in anime cultures is the one that owned CP oh hey remember Epstein. I get that your point of view is based on experience and it must have been horrible for you to get through that. There is a need to see the bigger pictures here.
@@ariavachier-lagravech.6910 I'm not saying Japan is the only place guilty of it, I'm saying the laws are very lax and there's little to nothing keeping it from being portrayed in those forms of media, obviously this is a problem all over the world, I was just saying that it definetly is glossed over within the anime community since this is an anime channel
I’m really sorry for your experience :(. I agree with you, I think the lines between fiction and reality are blurred for sure. I mean, why would anyone want to see a drawing of something like that in the first place? I would have to seriously question that person. I don’t care what anyone says, those people are sick bastards, plain and simple.
Let's be clear, HERE we are talking some imported magazines from Germany I know nothing about, except it's about as rotten a country as Australia. It's convenient that honesty has been censored but that's the definition of "CP", Japan has a defnitiion of DV, domestic violence, actually violating children that is REALLY serious business. So, what, if Joey buys his daughter a smartphone before 18, and Japanese government deems her stolen private instagram as "CP" no matter what's in those pictures, Joey has done the same crime as the Germans, the "unquestionably worse thing that can be done". Even worse than if he literally borked his own daughter in secret? Or, just violated anyone, even an adult woman? Everyone would agree? Worst means WORST. Let's stop preteding this is a discussion video, this is an outrage video. We all got to blame GTA for our murderous tendencies before Australia banned it, and cooked up our developing brains with its child abuse.
You must ask yourself, "Are there a DISPORTIONATE number of Manga Artists involved in this type of activity, or are their cases simply higher profile?" Locally, 20-someodd years ago, we had THREE such cases in a ROW, where the perpetrator was a FIREMAN. There were quite a few off-color jokes and remarks about firemen for a few months. BUT are firemen more prone to be those types of people? I think not.
Is just that some people sometimes go into a rabit hole and they cant go back. there is the pedo that is like that and there is the other pedo that becomes like that because of things they do... no simpaty for any of then.
They where always there, is just we are now finding out there are into this crap. And not long ago most things like child pornography wasn´t ilegal in Japan.
@@theblasblas and the ownership of CP wasn't outlawed until very recently. Most pedos likely don't produce or sell CP in the first place. Not to mention the punishments for owning CP in japan is still ridiculously light.
"very famous and well renounced, at least, before it all happened" Dude, Toriko was released after he did that woopsie. It resulted in his first series being cancelled. Toriko was his "second chance". Probably got that chance because he's good friends with Oda-sensei.
He bought those... in my country?! That really scares me now because there is still investigations going on about an entire internet circle across the country who sold CP... not too long ago there was a young man arrested for having an entire set up of computers etc with CP in his mother's garden house and he even did this to his girlfriend's son... his mom knew it and she was a kindergarten teacher.. which makes me feel even worse because I want to be a kindergarten teacher and those stupid people are now ruining my hobbies and my future job safety because the trust is fading..... 🙁 The thought of someone buying such things from here.... 🤢
@@montyalb8788 The laws in Germany a very strict. Depending on how realistic it is, even a painting, drawing or rendered graphic can count as this stuff and will be prosecuted. Owning, buying or trying to buy this stuff is punishable with a prison term of one year.
I don't know. I'm a Japanese "otaku" myself who got schooled about the whole thing by an uncle who grew up in the heat of the "otaku boom" but I think the culture has a deep and self-aware history of allowing/making a space for people with legitimate pedophilia - Many of them see themselves as outcasts who deserve sympathy (and though in some ways people who do recognise their issue and are trying their best to tackle it do to some extent in my opinion) and we all know the roots of the manga/anime fan mindset come from similar places. Joey, I'm sure you know that a lot of the evidence to the connection I'm talking about here are only really available in Japanese. Maybe that's what you could help reveal in a video or something.
@Miyamoto Musashi I mean, please don't take what I'm saying as some sort of thing where I equate the entirety of Japanese culture or the anime/manga culture to Pedophilia. Again to reiterate, I am trying to consider perhaps that the culture allows the space to be given to a small minority of pedophiles (who also end up loud and interconnected through some sort of solidarity as they are shunned from mainstream society)
I can agree with this. A large section of otaku seem socially outcast and angry at society. It, sadly, makes sense that they dont care for the harm done towards "those people" as they likely see it. The western otaku scene is much less receptive of these groups but theres other groups who also try to attack harmless stuff, so we're stuck between two groups to deal with.
It's actually interesting you point that out, it feels like CP is perceived as something normal by a certain part of the manga community. And the amount of p*d0 stuff flooding the manga market seems to confirm the industry as a whole is used to it, that's terrifying
10:55 "why do you think it's always manga artists" Let's be honest, the number of actual criminals is way more than those who are found and (hopefully) sentenced and only a part of those get media coverage. Because of the perceived link between manga and huh "lolis", you have more chances to be under the spotlight.
"Any kind of CP related allegation in crime in America is literally like the worst most punishable crime that you could ever commit" *Meanwhile at Mormon towns*
@@arno7163 it depends how much they are rooted within each town, but you may find in worse cases: - Polygamy, sodomization, incest and husbandry selling - Pedophilia - Crime omission - Child trafficking - Money laundering - Illegal rituals - Internal drug smuggling - Registry/Identity wiping (if they work at the state) - Local corruption (including cases where all cops and sherif of a town are mormons and will participate in a Mormon related crime and/or ommit it) - Political Corruption (if they work at the state)
@@arno7163 Because each State has their autonomus laws (which is why California is a shitshow due to wokeness and lack of regulation towards companies). However, the real problem is that, when they get into positions of power (especially the State), they can manipulate courts, police, etc as long as there are other Mormon members in them to help each other in getting away with it. It works the exact same way as nepotism.
Or christian fundamentalist cults that arrange child marriages essentially, treat girls like brood mares, blame little girls and women for being attacked and cover up CP CONSTANTLY. Yes, people don't realize what a problem it still is in the US too especially among religious extremists.
Idk man. I work with kids in the USA so I've actually had some interactions with these sorts of people. I think it's more common than people realize. Almost every week I catch random adult men talking to kids through the chain link. They don't get more than a few sentences out before we're walking over there, but I always have to wonder why the hell a grown man would strike up a midday convo with an 8 year old.
Yup. When I was a kid, there was an old man who run by shirtless. And he sometimes stopped to talk to students. I always grabbed my friends and told em to stay away. 😬 the guy was reported and never seen again.
"the news put out a few headlines so I guess I can't trust anyone who talks to kids" is truly stupid. its really not that common just like how murder isn't common and neither are most of the major crimes you see in news. just cause they get focused on and promoted the most doesn't mean its anywhere near as common as news makes it seems.
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 Disagree. People are right. They are everywhere. You gotta watch out. Obviously not everyone is like that and you shouldn’t just assume about random people, but if you’re not careful you may find them. They could be people you don’t expect too like a woman or other minors. They could be handsome, beautiful, dating, married, or any number of other things. Unfortunately monsters don’t always look like monsters. Usually they are people you don’t expect like family or friends.
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 You realize most child sex crime isn't reported on the news right? In most states, families have the legal right to bar news outlets from reporting on a crime if their child was victimized, even if the child isn't mentioned by name. This is to prevent further trauma to the child, but it's why you never hear about these cases. As for overreacting to ppl talking to kids, we're literally trained for this. If a man walks by with his dog and the kids go ham over it, it's not necessarily a red flag and you can just watch. But it's suspicious behavior for a grown ass person to call some kids over to the chain link fence for a random chat during midday recess.
the sad thing is, in the case of the creator of rurouni kenshin he got the punishment equivalent to a slap on the wrist. he also received congratulations from other mangakas afterwards. Thank you for bringing more attention to this.
@@bailujen8052 yes, they all tried to ruin a mans life and then pretended nothing happened after Vic wasn’t suspicious anymore Also if you’re speaking about Funimations, yes for making trash ass English dubs
Me, having read bunch of Chinese webnovels and knows of another term "cp" which is basically just a term for shipping two people together, a fandom kinda thing - learning about this "cp" term getting utterly confused and traumatized by this totally random TH-cam algorithm: "...I friging thought I was guilty of illegally shipping people in my head!"
Hahahaha same though. I knew CP as the bad definition at first but then I was reading chinese manhua and CP kept popping up and it made me uncomfortable because I didn't know what it meant. So I searched it up with the chinese slang meaning and I was like "ohhh." It still makes me uncomfortable to see it because of the first meaning 😅
The trend already there, they just haven’t been caught yet. Besides, i don’t think this is exclusive to mangaka’s. I’m sure there are more. in fact, i’m positive.
A bit of a correction regarding Toriko's mangaka: "Well reknown, or at least before this all happened well rekwnown, Shonen Jump manga series Toriko". It wasn't like that, Shimabukuro's arrest happened way before Toriko was serialized. He was working in the Shonen Jump with a different manga at the time. Manga which was put to hiatus and later cancelled. Toriko started after Shimabukuro came back from his arrest and went back to draw in Jump. He also had another manga after Toriko finished.
To the last question, I can imagine the Japanese media using the profession of a mangaka as a scapegoat, in similar ways or reasons, American media blaming shooting games for the violence that happens in our country. I can also guess the Japanese media wanting the profession to look bad because last time I heard, being super duper into anime and manga is something Japanese society kind of frowns upon? Or, clicks.
I mean this isn't some small time. These are some VERY well known Artists I assume, not to mention that they're in Shonen Jump which has stuff kids and teens are into. What's surprirsing to me is that they're not drawing Loli or Shota Porn type stuff, at least that I know of. I mean if someone like Jack Kirby or Stan Lee was caught like this, I think it would have made the News around here.
Politician using media to scapegoat someone/something and throw some smokecreen in japan ? Nothing new. Remember when some politician in japan crying because they got caught because of corruption ?
Unfortunately, it's not just manga artists. Lots of people in lots of different career paths commit these types of crimes. We probably just hear more about manga because that's what we consumer more. Moreover, probably people with other careers have more money to cover up their trials.
What I find especially disgusting about this is that you know based on precedent that he''ll walk and have his career back within a few years (tops) while people like Ai Takabe (and other non-violent drug offenders) get THOROUGHLY cancelled to the point that their careers seldom ever recover. This double standard in the japanese media and the industries associated with it needs to stop.
No. None of that for a second. Over half of drug users start underaged, and participating in the industry, especially when there's abolitionist policies in place causing the prices to soar, will funnel a LOT of money into the hands of people who target children because they are easy to influence, and also motivate them to stay in active operation for constant stream of big money. Drug abuse IS child abuse, it's a few years' investment for them into a person who can only ever live as another pusher.
@@sboinkthelegday3892 Is that war on drugs propaganda I see? Like, not even sarcasm? This is literally the gateway drug argument repackaged. You do realize that, right? Wouldn't you WANT drug abuse to be treated more as a health issue rather than a moral failing and thus be legalized, taxed and regulated? Don't you think that would prevent a whole lot of what you just mentioned from happening? Non-violent drug offenses don't suddenly become morally reprehensible in and of themselves just because there's a chance some users may be abused by those more powerful than them. In that case, go after the abusers and not the victims (the non-violent drug offenders).
@@sboinkthelegday3892 You do know that prohibition didn't end alcohol, right? All it does is marginalize the victims of addiction. The actual way to handle this would be a well-regulated market, with anti-underage drug consumption policies alongside it, in order to best navigate the issues around addiction. Arresting non-violent drug offenders only serves to bloat prisons and fuck over already marginalized communities, which tend to suffer the most from those charges in proportion to their drug use.
It's so sad, I can't believe it, I am a day one reader of that manga, always waiting for the next chapter each week. Heartbreaking really, I remember that wave of happiness I'd experience whenever I was reading it. Edit: Yeah I never read this manga I just posted it for likes lol
When it became the talk of the town when it landed it's anime adaptation. My memory is fuzzy but everyone in the anime community and well known anitubers as well, Joey and Garnt included, talked about it.
Reminds me of that line in Downfall by Inio Asano where he talks about readers not giving a shit about how bad a person the mangaka is, just so long as they keep selling books.
The maximum prison sentence for possession of cp in Japan is only one year. It’s barely even considered a crime, and I find that incredibly disturbing.
Of course, there is a definite difference between real CP and drawings. But I also think it’s narrow minded to not recognize that drawings themselves can be problematic. The drawings desensitize people and culture to real life CP, and also enable these creeps. Rational, normal, socialized people will understand the difference and the line between the two. They know better than to cross that line. But the fact is, there are a lot of people who use these drawings as sexual gratification because they can’t have the “real thing”. It’s like enabling a drug user by giving them liquor instead. I also think the underlying misogyny in Japanese culture plays a role in why it’s so “normalized”, to the point that it’s just widely accepted, and these creeps just got a slap on the wrist. I’m not trying to say everyone that reads loli is a creep, or that it’s wrong at all. To each their own. But hopefully some people can also recognize the double standard and hypocrisy in it.
"Why do you think it's always Manga artists?" Well, Joey, I DON'T think it's ALWAYS Manga artists. I think it's ALWAYS Manga artists that get into the NEWS and NOTICED by people. Since Manga artists have the fame and popularity, it'll get noticed by people more, rather than just regular Japanese citizens. Unless Japanese news articles actually cover every single criminal case of CP, I think that for regular Japanese citizens, the CP crime has to be really fucked up for it to be on the news, although, admittedly myself haven't really read much Japanese news... since I can't read Japanese and don't bother to use Google Translate. Although, I ain't saying this is true. This is my merely MY own OPINION and THEORY. prove me wrong though.
I get what u mean. But like I have not heard any popular figures like actors, producers being arrested for these acts. Maybe I'm just not informed. But whenever it's someone popular being arrested for cp, most of the time it's mangakas and not any other popular person from other medium from Japan . Maybe just a coincidence idk
@@sleight7942 thats because those guys are rich af, one of the reason theyre “popular”. Mangaka dont have that much money to have the media nor the cops not covering what theyre doing
@@nguyenduyminh2155 I mean, there's definitely plenty in Hollywood so I'm sure it's not as specific to mangakas as it would seem. But big movie and music stars tend to have more money and social protection than a mangaka. Even famous comics people are still basically B-class celebrities, even in Japan, so it's easier to throw them under the bus.
i know this is absolutely not about this but: as a german i do wonder how he purchased stuff from here bc cp is strictly forbidden here. of course there will sadly always be crime done in the shadows…
@bronyinsticks if that was the case then i do not see any reason why he has to purchase these things from outside the country. i am sure magazines like that exist in japan too.
@@FyreTeGo And yeah, how many of them are reported who are actually loli artists and caught red handed with this stuff. A lot of these caught manga artists aren't even a loli artist. What the main comment says was just they're much focused on these people because they have a huge reputation, they get the spotlight. Just because you draw lolis you're now a certified child abuser, it doesn't work that way all the time. Stop these prejudice though.
Well, if you research it.... there's a whole massive research and police work going on because of a CP scandal that involved hundreds of people all over the country.... It's sickening (btw I am also German)
Apparently some nudist magazine from...70s? There is also the infamous 70s album cover for the german album Virgin Killer by Scorpions, featuring naked 10 years old girl...in other words, 70s Germany was way too liberal with that shit.
In the US, in at least Texas, any material that just APPEARS to sexually depict a minor could be considered to be CP. Yes, even drawings. Manga and other related event goers in Texas have been warned not to bring any such materials to such events. I don’t think law enforcement is actively attending and looking for such material, though.
I think you're talking about the Protect Act, which was actually more like guidelines. It was made during the Internet's infancy, as the government didn't know what to make of the internet yet. A judge ruled against it, saying that criminalizing sexualized things like statues and drawings is ridiculous and unconstitutional, which I agree. People age, drawings and statues do not.
@@PKMN37 This was a TX state law just a few years ago, but if federal courts already made rulings against it, it would be unenforceable, of course. TX likes to think it's above federal law, of course! :-)
@@realswobby Not when you realize how US law works it ain't. This means you could be set up for life in prison by witch hunt standards ALONE. This sounds great on paper alone, but until our policing and justice system is fixed this will do nothing but add prison fodder to our slavery system, I mean prison industrial complex. While actual pedophiles get away scott free because Texas is still a Bible belt state and believes little girls "ask for it".
My issue with how the states handle this issue is that they are quick to jump on anime and manga for depicting possible underage girls sexually.....but sleep to protect ACTUAL GIRLS. We have r@pe kits dating back over 15 years ago that haven't been examined. We have little kids touched by uncles being sent to live with their Grandma that still allows said uncle to visit. We have grown men soliciting s*X from school girls in the middle of the street in inner cities. I can't afford to give a damn to 2-d anime girls' rights when we have SO MUCH MORE to deal with.
As someone who lives in Germany it baffles me that this is available. I don't think you can buy that commercialy so it's probably from a black market that is stationed in Germany because it's in Central Europe
I think there's not a dark connection with manga artists per say, I think there is a media bias applied here; naturally, a famous artist getting caught with CP is more interesting to the news than a regular nobody doing the same, therefore, we tend to see in the news only the famous people doing this stuff while they might be a small share of the total P population. While this still horrible, I don't think it's restricted or even tied to the Manga industry, I think that it's only a focus thing and if you start investigating more on other kind of rich or famous people you may find similar CP numbers.
Its just a lot of people out there exist who are accessing that sort of content, the issue is only the manga artists have a name hence only and only they are being called out, while many probably go over looked.
@@indra_vrtrahan it's part of the plan to make western people want to influence their morality on anime/manga industry. You can see how joey's comments is full of it.
I think it's less of a case of this behaviour being more prevalent with mangakas etc. and more just a case of people taking more notice because the perpetrator is part of the anime/manga/gamer communities, which reaffirms the stigma that liking those things makes you a worse person. Crimes like this happen every day, but people only care to take a second glance when it conveniently reaffirms their beliefs.
Its not really ground breaking rocket science that some of these dudes who draws alot of attractive teenagers for a living are actually attracted to teenagers.
I have to agree. Big name mangaka with a hit title to their name doing bad stuff and boom, everyone looks at one person and assumes the rest is the same.
Same thing with catholic priests being pedos. It's the same percentage or even lower than the general population, and way lower than teachers. But you hear about it so often you assume it to be more common.
@@thanglongnguyenvu3815 BECAUSE THEY USUALLY ARE! Japan itself in the anime and manga community is a loli-con infested place. It's literally the environment they grow up in. Like manga characters that look like children in weird situations, it's not wrong to assume that after all of this. I wouldn't be surprised if the manga artist for dragon maid got arrested for this.
Rurouni Kenshin holds a special place in my heart… I was in shock when the news about The author being involved with cp… this stained the series for me… I try to dissociate the manga from the artist… but never look at new content for the author.
Bruh, when that first came out years, everyone was pissed in the community they burned their manga, bruh I've avoided kenshin after that! The same series I held dear in my childhood...
@@八ルシュ-z6v if you still continue to support their work, it's not ok. if you can't let go of something because of nostalgia, then at least make sure you never watch or pay for anything legally that is from the said creator.
As an illustrator and artist i can say that the link between cp and manga isnt new.. even in the 50's-60's it prevalent , unfortunately in japan the sexualisation of children has become the normal thing, Its in the anime and comics. Until it becomes a mainstream issue in japan like women being molested and or raped on trains and busses nothing will change.
??? If it wasnt an issue this dude wouldnt be getting arrested. But he was. It is illegal. The manga and anime content isnt gonna change because its harmless.
@@lisasforehead495 he broke several laws. The importation of illegal goods is indeed a more severe crime tho. Also the age of consent at a federal level in 13, but this is only effective in a couple uninhabited islands. The rest of japan has varying ages between 16-18 set depending on the area and situation.
@@lisasforehead495 Age of consent is NOT 13 in Japan. It's a federal or central level law. Just like the US and other countries, Japan has prefectures(Osaka, Yamagawa, etc), akin to States in the US like Texas, California, etc. Now, getting to the point, MOST *prefectures* in Japan have 18+ as the age of consent. The federal level law is an outdated law nobody cares about and isn't been updated yet cuz Japanese politics is slow af.
Honestly, I think its just a numbers game. There are literally thousands of mangakas in japan, there are bound to be a few pedos mixed in there just like in any other job. The jobs that really attract pedos are those jobs that have direct contact with children, which mangakas usually do not have. You need proper statistics and not to rely on just a few random cases that get spotlighted, to see if there really are any real dark trends... and even then its hard to tell since many hide themselves. But I think we currently have a bigger issue with people who are open about it, call themselves MAPS and try to get pedophilia to become acceptable.
It's just like the "super male" theory. (those who have xyy chromosome instead of xy) They did a study, and were like "there are a lot of people in the prison system with this" turns out, it was just the normal distribution of this syndrome, but because it was prisoners. It was proposed that those with 2 y's were more likely to end up in prison etc.
@@hepthegreat4005 Yea, they often try to skew things by making it seem more prevalent than it really is, but when you look at proper stats, it ends up at a normal distribution. And even if there is a higher rate, you cannot make snap judgements and say its because of this or that, there may be other secondary reasons that can contribute to higher numbers.
I mean, in the U.S. rapists get like 2 to 3 year jail time? A few months if you're a white young guy with a rich family so...not that big difference in the west.
@SimDescent maybe you shouldn't make up random numbers and attribute them to crime rates. that seems like a generally useless or even actively harmful thing to do. if you actually cared you could look up the answer.
Thank you for speaking out about it, the fact that people defend them because they're fans of their work are just... so ignorant. Rurouni Kenshin was my favorite anime growing up and it absolutely devastated me to hear the creator was charged with having CP because honestly, I can't even look at the series in the same way any more.
As a once long time fan, I've been numb about it for a long time. I'm still sad and depressed over that situation and haven't even touched any rurouni kenshin content since what he did first came out.
Look at the mangakas Joey mentioned in the video and their work. Their work seems to pretty tame, base on that i would assume that the more crazy stuff is already expression enough for doujin artists. So they don't have to make it real.
well, don't judge a book by its cover. real criminals always hide their dirty deeds with their false persona just like that killer clown or Hollywood. (Edit: it's ok to be paranoid to your friends, neighbors or families, and clowns)
Experts also highlight that while the EU continued to host the most CSAM in 2021, there was a higher proportion of abuse imagery coming from the United States compared to the previous years - 21% of it was hosted in the US globally compared to 5% in 2020. They got called out because they're famous. It's just not a Japan issue, it's global whether you like it or not.
@@agathonchristianto9580 The fact that you're trying to pass it off as a simplr p*rn magazine is sick. You're so adamant about defending this practice cuz its "just a magazine" when it literally depicts real life children doing these acts.
Millions. From all walks of life. All across the world. We only hear about the high-profile cases like the Weinsteins or famous manga artists. And since no police force on earth has the kind of resources needed to go after everyone they tend to focus on cases they know they can prosecute or instances where they can locate and ave kids. This is not a fun subject to research.
What I think is that the sphere of people willing to seek out and download CP in Japanese society and the sphere of people passionate about drawing manga intersect/overlap more than normal "spheres" would. So although being a mangaka doesn't necessarily make one more likely to want to download CP, and downloading CP doesn't make one want to become a mangaka artist, the large overlap between the two groups means that one will find a lot of cases like these. I do think that this is a case where correlation doesn't equate to causation, although how many of our favorite mangaka artists may be secretly hoarding illegal files is unknown.
@@scasmam2792 You were talking about correlation and causation. What I mean with "violent video games causes violence in irl" argument is there is no proof that is the case. So the same logic can be used for manga artist or readers. Video game dev making games about violence doesn't cause the dev to be violent or the person to go cause violence (the person was already violent). So manga artist that draws loli or shota doesn't cause him to go download CP. Violence and pedophilia has existing since human civilization. But yeah I'm just elaborating what you said. There can be a correlation why these scumbags would be in the manga industries.
Yeah, this has been a pretty notable cultural issue in Japan since before I even got into anime back in the '90s in my teens. People absolutely know it's wrong, but it doesn't carry the same stigma it does somewhere like Australia or the United States. I mean, we do know what happened with Watsuki's case. His publisher suspended him for something like 6 months, delaying the Kenshin Hokkaido Arc, and he ended up having to pay around a $1,700 fine (that's the rough amount in USD). That was literally it. We're finally getting to where society is going to start weeding out a lot of this, hopefully, but even the punishments in Japan right now for these acts are ridiculously light. Some things really have to change with the law and the justice system over there. That said, some of these are just really upsetting. I have '悪即斬' literally tattooed on my chest because of my love of Kenshin from my younger years.
@@yellowcard8100 yeah, the harshness of the punishments is literally a lot less. But, yeah, It is literally something that has neither been looked upon nor handled as harshly in Japan as it is in a lot of other countries. I'm going to assume you're seriously ignorant about this, but there's a reason Boku no Pico exists and nobody got into trouble for making it. I'm 41, I've been into anime since I was 13, and I've lived in Japan. It is absolutely something that has quietly been a problem for a long time. Part of the reason there have been so few arrests over there is literally because it's hardly been historically seen as a crime.
this case wasn't really "cp". It was a nudist magazine from the 80s back when it was legal. With other mangaka, they have obtained the material in japan when it was legal but didn't get rid of it after it became illegal.
@@yellowcard8100 People don't talk about this with the same idea in mind. CP is way too generic of a concept. CP can be a 17-y-old girl 1 day before becoming an adult; or 10 years earlier, which is a whole different level. And you really need to differentiate those, because one of these things is culturally acceptable in some cultures and you can discuss about it, the other is unacceptable in ANY culture and there isn't even a point of discussing. So you need to be clear, what you are talking about when you talk about CP.
It’s easy to point at one portion of the population and say “Why them?” Why manga writers? Why anime fans? Or even Why just men? But the truth is the problem can’t be boiled down to just one common denominator. There is enough people to make it possible to create multiple magazines and mail them anywhere in the world. And those people are very likely making a profit. It is a deep societal issue that I’m not qualified to speculate on.
@𝔼𝕣𝕠𝕘𝕒𝕜𝕚ℙ𝕒𝕥𝕔𝕙𝕖𝕤 I'm not saying it never happens, it just happens significantly less. Even when men don't report it. Because a lot of women also don't report what happened to them. If literally everything was reported the ratio between crimes committed by men and women would still be so much higher on the men side.
@@shenowvlok7436 I was abused by a woman. While it is more men, women do it more often then we think. One factor is that many vicims blame themselfs. You can have an orgasm, it's a bodily thing. So boys who come, have even more priblems reporting, because they reacted to it. They are deeply ashamed of it a lot of times. Much less boys report than girls.
@@danika9411 Women also get orgams when they are raped (sometimes) but they don't talk about that because people who said that she enjoyed it or other shit. And I know that men also get raped by women, I also know they barely report it but also a lot of women don't report because they also think people wont believe them.
_"Why is it always manga artists?"_ This is an unfair overview of the whole situation. Those are bad people, who simply happen to be Mangaka. That's like saying humans are bad because some of them are murderers. Are Japanese people p***philes because of a couple of scumbags who enjoy buying CP magazines? If he was your average dude, he'd simply be forgotten after the whole ordeal. But since he was a rather well-known Mangaka, of course the media would bring that up. Mangaka don't deserve that infamy.
No, but if you think it in terms of stadistics there is more logic to this. Take for example priests, what percentage of priests do CP in comparison to general population. Probably more than usual. Maybe the same can be said of mangaka. I don't know. But if it is more prevalent in mangaka vs the general population, it must be because the profession makes them want cp or those that want cp become mangaka. Hence, I do see some logic to what Joey says
Its like when the otaku culture was being judged and treated badly by others due to some people commiting horrible crimes and they just happened to be otakus themselves.
@@Vivid_Sky23 Causation equal correlation in this case though . Anime and manga industry is obsessed with underage girls . Everything has a school setting and extreme sexualization . But hey I guess if it isn't real , its not problematic or whatever delusional people say .
I hope this doesn’t reflect on the career as a manga artist as a whole… I think that these crimes are committed by all sorts of people, but, like, no one’s gonna talk about the random ass accountant or grocer at the market who got caught because they’re not in the public eye. People love to take skewed information and run with it, so I hope this doesn’t turn into a generalization fest in making manga artistry out to have some sort of implication.
Just a little warning as a writer you should take the bottom part of your comment & put it at the top to avoid being misconstrued. Most people won't read far enough to get your point & will most likely think your defending them & then write their long winded hate comments Specifically take from so onwards make that your starting line
@@Vivid_Sky23 You can just tell those people to read the whole comment before replying. That warning is more useful for Twitter though, since their whole affair is trying to ruin people's life with misinformation.
Even though you said you didn’t want to cover it because of this subject being over talked about I think you going over the subject especially with you being a popular or well known youtuber in the manga or Japanese area makes it better because you’re bringing it to light and possibly showing more people what’s really going on
As an artist, I really can not see buying cp magazines for "artistic matter" being actually legit nor an actual reason to get away with it. It just makes me very sad tbh. And about what you said on the end of the video, I HOPE it's just a very unfortunate coincidence.
As many others have noted, the thing that worries me the most is that compared to how you get treated if you take a drug is treated like war crimes and this is barely a slap on the wrist.
I've always thought that any monetary fine as a punishment for crimes like these are just fking insulting to the victims. Even worse that it's probably not even the victims who receive said fines.
fines are only a punishment if you're poor. it's why the wealthy don't give a shit when they break the law, because they just get fined, pay it, and then keep doing what they were doing.
Maybe, just maybe, the reason why only manga artists (or any other big names/famous people) are outed for this type of crimes is bcus they are famous or well knowned people, and news about them will go big and get attention, and if normal people get caught doing the same thing, even if it's published in the news, no one really cares unless they are a serial killer or smtg like that Just a not so well thought theory
As an artist, I think that being creative and imerge yourself in a story or a drawing sometimes is important and helpful You can draw whatever you like, and of course it can bring profit, but at the end of the day, no matter how twisted and dark your works are, committing those horrible things like CP is such a horrible crime And the mindset you can do that in the name of art sicken me even more I'm glad that Joey covers topics like this
The thing I noticed with a lot of these mangakas that have been outed for these kind of things never let their depravity influence their work. Sometimes you never can tell what the person that is like through their works, and that goes for whatever culture you're in. I'm clearly into drawings as there's no I would ever do something like that in real life cuz I have a conscience and the strong concept of reality and fiction. It is disturbing however how easily the public can just brush it aside but I suppose down there they care more about the product rather than the person behind it.
But thats very similar for anything, not just Mangaka. Look at JK Rowling for example, where her Harry Potter books were extremely separate from what views she does have. Or Butch Hartman who's Danny Phantom series said nothing about religion and yet he keeps forcing the idea that it is all about a good Christian boy fighting against sins and stuff. Sigh... There is a point in which people need to understand that a book, Manga, or even TV show can mean a lot to you, but that doesn't mean that the person who created it is always a good person who shouldn't be punished for the bad stuff they do. I still love Harry Potter and I still love Danny Phantom, that doesn't mean I agree with anything the creators do or say now.
@@angelsinthewindow That is a good statement, I believe that when creators like JK or Hartman made their works. they believed in basically the same thing they believe now. But because of the times we live in. We can know what they think. Sometimes its better you do not learn about your favorite people. Or is it better we do? I just found out about the Kenshin thing. but I do not think that his work is defined by him as a individual.
@@TP-tg8cc IDK but it kinda seemed like Joey kinda defended loll icons in the fact that there is a clear difference between reality and fiction. but I could have misheard him. I personally believe there is a clear distinct difference. Though of course other can say otherwise.
@@modell1084 yes there is clear difference between 2D and 3D... Real life children won't behave as good as 2D drawing... And that is a good deterrent for those who like 2D to not jump dimension into 3D...
@@modell1084 I am a artist myself, I draw and do so much stuff for different things. There was a twitch streamer called ikasperr who I did a lot of artwork for, even created a girl we called Waifu as the channel mascot. A couple years ago, it was found out he had been sexually harassing people and is now no longer a creator but it saddens me that my artwork of Waifu is now associated with him instead of what she represented for the community. The community he had was amazing, very open and caring, I found a couple online friends through his chats. Waifu represented the whole community to me, not just the person at the center. Because of what happen to me and my artwork, I never wanted something Precious to a full community be tainted by someone even if that someone is the creator of it. The same goes for the toxic fandoms as well, I don't want something amazing to be tainted by others actions.
I love how he completely ignores that these came from Germany and doesn't question how that garbage is being sold over there and is readily available to buy just like that....
damn it, unlike the other guys, I actually liked this series. well, at least the anime. i wasnt really reading the manga, but it was still ongoing, so its a shame that it had to end this way.
I've been struggling with doing, "death of the artist" after finding out that certain creators or voice actors of content that I enjoyed committed really unsavory crimes. I mean it in that, I struggle to separate the product from the creator/actor after knowing what they've done, even if the product has nothing to do with the crime. I honestly didn't know about the Rurouni Kenshin guy until this video and now I have to add it to my list of stuff I will struggle to appreciate. It's really sad but we cannot turn a blind eye to the crime just because we like their content
Please make that content! We need to start discussing these things. I did not know about the Kenshin manga-ka either and I'm looking at my collection on a whole other level and I feel very uncomfortable. It's time we start talking about this for sure
I can only really apply death of the artist for actually dead people, the chance that said author might in any way profit from me engaging with the media skeeves me out too much
separating an art from the artist is actually a good mental capacity to have. i mean, picasso is an asshole, da vinci probably violates his assistant, van gogh is deranged, hitler paints, miura puts so much hiatus that he died before finishing berserk. you didn't ignore the crime of the artist, you ignore the artist entirely, it's like using nestle's stuff. -knowing their CEO don't consider clean drinking water is a human rights
The very fact that our entire society runs on and is run by people who are just as bad or worse means to stop partaking in any voluntary activity that might have or potentially could support such things would mean we all have to stop doing anything that allows us to enjoy life. Statistically speaking there is no video game, tv show, book that would not in some way support someone who has raped, murdered, manipulated, ect. The very act of buying anything from essentially any company means you are indirectly support the abuse and manipulation of the poverty class of some country. Because even the best countries still buy and use goods that are made by underpaid and overworked humans that are more of a resource than a person. For me its at the point where I have totally separated personal responsibilities from societal ones. There are some things its society's' job to fix and though I have a personal responsibility to support, vote for, proactively advocate for those societal changes. It is not ultimately my responsibility as an individual to take it upon myself to harm my well being in the pursuit of such goals if society does not see fit to support them. Because at the end of the day the only reason societal level morality exists is because there are things that are morally correct for society to do because when it does it maximizes everyone's happiness and well-being. On and individual level though if society refuses to do it then doing it personally can only increase your happiness if you emotionally driven to do it in the first place. Such as not being able to live with yourself otherwise.
First time hearing about the dude who made Toriko (literally one of my favorite series) I am now even more upset than I was, but it's good to be informed about these things ☹
The thing with Shimabu allegations is that the women were 16 at the time, and from what I heard the website he solicited service was for people over 18, so the women lied about their age. And he was arrested, because prostitution is illegal in Japan. The age of consent in Japan, at the time was 14, so Japan doesn’t consider it pedophilia, compared to USA.
@@shulkash8799 I know that it is an old comment, but usually, people do not work for such websites at their own will. It is possible that it is not the girls who lied about their age, but the employer
Anyone can be a monster. I'm still pissed at Ian Watkins for ruining Lostprophets by doing far worse than than importing CP. I wonder of that ever reached Japanese news outlets.
Just like Kakushi Gotou from Kakushigoto said when he was scared his daughter would be assaulted by a weirdo at the party for the magazine: "in the end, all manga artists are just lolicons!". Sometimes it's so scary to think that a manga you like might have been writen by a creep...
Most modern technology is based on some atrocities. If you think about it, we learned a lot about human bodies, because Da Vinci dug up corpses and cut them into pieces. And let's not forget all the medical progress being made by german and japanese scientists experimenting on living human beings. Most technology was invented for the military. From bronze swords to nuclear weapons and the internet...
There is a simple answer to all of this, and I'm sure that someone has already brought it up. This is NOT a problem with Manga artists. This in an issue with humanity. Grab 1000 random people in any given field, and I'd almost assure you that 1 of them is a problem in the same way. Now take that hypothesis and apply that to the thousands of manga writers that exist in japan (I don't know the exact number, but I hear lots of japanese artists go into the manga industry), and there are bound to be a few people in there of this nature. The good thing though is that Japan still is punishing them for this sort of behavior, so clearly it's not acceptable over there, and they are making an active decision to do it anyways. Unfortunately that's just human nature, but it has nothing to do with being a manga artist.
“He must’ve been using it for some kind of artistic purpose” is the most horrifying logic I’ve ever heard. CP is illegal because it’s made through the sexual abuse of children, supporting that industry in any way and for any reason is morally reprehensible.
That is why normal pictures of people exist on the internet! Plenty of reference material! Instead these mofos bought clearly sexual magazines depicting CP. Like how tf is that for "artistic purposes"
@@airena1449 you can't really try to make sense of an artist's mind, they be using the weirdest thing as a reference material. But all it takes to know why using CP as a material is bad is common sense.
@@Succubus_L0li I mean this is exactly what I said
Since everyting is CP, regardless of what is portrayed, there is nothing to argue right now.
You people are excellent in persecuting absolute BS claims while letting real children suffer, it really disgusts me to my core.
@@BQD_Central what the fuck are you talking about, are you defending the sexual abuse of children???? How is buying material of real children being sexually abused not a problem to you? You’re insane dude
The scariest thing is the fact that there are undoubtedly more people involved in this situation, they just haven’t been caught yet.
It's the same as "the vvar on drvgs".
Catching the consumer, won't stop the dealers.
And said dealers for every consumer caught, they become more savvy on how to keep their operation going.
It's a sad eternal game of cat and mouse.
Just think about all those missing children cases. I'm pretty sure that pedo stuff is a problem in every sector where people got power. As for the reason why, I think it's because the moment you got enough power to do shit that's not allowed makes them want to do it. And from what I know of Japan and what Joey said, it isn't even that seriously looked upon there. And despite what Joey says, I'm with Conner that the problem already lies with the lolicon stuff, though it may keep some people from doing disgusting things ...
That goes with literally anything. You could be living next to a serial murderer.
@@illuvatar6985 It definetely does. I think there has been a study over how arts like these make less of a chance for people to do those horrible things.
@@illuvatar6985 "I'm with Conner that the problem already lies with the lolicon stuff"
Kinda the reverse actually, lolicon may "normalize" the fetish, and that's definitely not a good thing, but it limits real acts a lot, way more than it provokes them.
Try to imagine a world where porn doesn't exist anymore, will the rape rate increase or decrease ? It will be the former, without a doubt, even if porn also increased the number of incest/non-consensual rough play fetishes for example, their actual numbers didn't increase, and actually decreased.
In Japan, the penalty for having CP is either 1 year in prison or a fine of like 1 million yen, I think. On the other hand, being in possession of marijuana is 5 years in prison.
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They prioritize physical health more than mental health it seems
@@Rin_Chawngthu that explains the work culture and suicide rates.
@@Rin_Chawngthu CP being illegal to possess in Japan is a relatively recent law change. A few years back it would've been legal. Does it make it any better? No of course not.
But it just adds to how Japan's a really messed up place. It just looks squeaky clean. I suspect the low crime rate is just a lot of unreported crime for the purpose of saving face (Similar to how Turkey's reported inflation is far less than. It's actual inflation). Or known crimes that aren't reported because "Shouganai" and/or Yakuza related businesses. Such as Rental Girlfriends where people can literally buy the escort of a high school girl as often referenced in Doujins or whole manga series revolving around that concept.
@@PK_Scratch i see. Pluse have you seen that live video of a streamer who captured 4 guys carrying a seemingly drunken girl into a car and just drove off. He reported it to the police but he didn't follow it up because he was a foreigner
It isn't just manga artists. If you're a manga fan, it just feels that way. There are plenty of rock stars, actors, writers, etc. that are arrested for the same thing and worse.
And people who aren't even known
I was about to say the same thing. It seems like there's always a story of someone in Hollywood that's getting busted for it every other month. It just looks like its only Manga because that's all we pay attention too, but it's really everywhere.
hollywood snuff parties are still a thing don't forget about those...
I mean look at the UK, one of our "princes", a singer with a popular Christmas song, and a hugely well know TV personality, who got knighted, are know to be "not on normal courtyard exercise".
Joey has been singling out and attacking Japan for a while now, but it feels like he's gotten really intense about it in the last 2 years. Most of his videos are negative, and he keeps pushing misleading information, like Japan's abuse rates. I don't know what it is, but he, like refuses to pushback on any attacks against Japan, like VICE's recent hitpiece, and yet he gives excess attention to anything negative about the country.
Japanese crime goes from 1 to 100 real quick
*Goes
i find japan to be a country of contrast, they have the lowest crime rates in the world yet are the only one to have separate trains for women for obvious reasons
Literally..
I feel like one day it’s “making innocent videos with questionable copyright and littering” and the next day “it’s ‘cp’ and the ‘r’ words”..
Japan has an extremely low crime rate however whenever there is a crime. It goes straight to infamy.
Here's what I'm morbidly curious about if/when a female mangaka is caught with cp will they be treated the same way as a male mangaka.
As a CP ring, with members in the *several hundreds,* has been uncovered in Germany like a week ago, I can confidently say it's not just manga artists. It's just that manga artists get more exposure in the media.
What interests me is a potential connection between that and this. The manga artist did say he imported the CP magazines from Germany, didn't he?...
He has apparently imported old (80s and 90s) nudist magazines like "Jung & Frei". There is quite a huge grey area around this here in Germany and owning these is not strictly illegal as long as you don't do it like Sebastian Edathy (he is the reason why it's now a grey area). Calling it "CP mag" (or CP in general) is a bit sensationalist.
@@Lumilicious I was already wondering what cp magazines. I almost forgot about those ancient nudist magazines. Yeah. Such stuff was around but it wasnt my time to look after those. As i was not at the age to get those out the store. Also had other things to think of.
@Mallakian Have you watched the video? Joey mentioned it early on. We probably can't type it in here as TH-cam doesn't quite allow it but please web-search "CP crime meaning" and you may have your answer.
@Mallakian child po***
The sad part is, that this also happened two years ago too. I remember reading that the estimated number of members is over ten thousand… horrible.
CP and child abuse related crimes should warrant longer stays in jail. And yet, politicians, priests and others aren't FUCKING charged.
you could have a mandatory death sentence and the people who can avoid the arrests still wouldn't care. The problem isn't only the sentence, it's more the people who don't have to care about it.
what is cp?
@@johncena8421 cycle power
Like Epstein and Bill Gates including the Catholic Church. They even have and island CP (Chibi Playtime)
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That's what I mean. For some reason, those individuals who have political and financial power are conveniently exempt from the law.
I think pedophiles should go to prison for life honestly. Especially if they acted on their urges.
And not keep them separated from the regular prisoners
@@Steampunkfox143 and maybe the guards could go deaf and blind for a few hours while they get beat up and killed
they destroy a childs life so yes that would be the penelty they deserve
Should just be put to death. Putting them in prison for life means spending resources to keep them alive.
I’d prefer a permanent solution involving execution.
This is so sad to see. As to why this is happening especially with the manga artists is hard to say, I just hope there isn't some bigger scheme of a pedo ring within the mangakas, since that would obviously be a much bigger problem.
CP is rampant thing in Japan, honestly its crazy!!
It might be like another church priest situation. Where either the job makes you like CP or those that want CP try to get the job. Either way, it sounds like mangakas are more likely to have CP than the general population.
Every time something like this comes up - I just end up thinking the usual "I wonder how far does this rabbit hole go?"
Tbh based on the lolicon stuff that's been going around forever. I wouldn't be surprised
Why the hell you report my comments ?
the question shouldn't be "why is it only manga artists" it should be; is it really *just* manga artists or is there others out there who are responsible/guilty of these things and its only manga artists being pushed into the media's spotlight
Well, I think those two questions have a connection. Why is it only Manga artists? Maybe there's more behind it? And we chain these questions along
I was asking myself the same question. Maybe the mangaka are being used as scapegoats for the bigwig predators.
@@FDE-fw1hd exactly. one question leads to the other. those two questions are related.
There are so many places you can go to for this kinda horrible stuff I guarantee there are some officials that go over seas for that kinda stuff.
its manga artists being put to the spotlight
If I remember correctly, Watsuki was charged and had to pay a few thousand dollar fine. That's it. Just a fine and a slap on the wrist and then back to working at Shonen Jump. Keep in mind that Shonen Jump is a magazine that has kids and teenagers as it's main demographic. It's pretty crazy.
Gotta be honest but it doesn't surprise me at all if it makes them money they most likely don't care
you forgot Mitsutoshi Shimabukuro, the man got caught paying a kid doing lewd things then his series at that time, Leader Takeshi-Den got cancelled by Jump, suspended and somehow after serving, he come back and Jump said "Well come on over" with Toriko and sold 25 million fking copies and ran for 43 volumes...Crazy
@@Vivid_Sky23 Yeah, capitalism, happiness, hell yeah.
@@Vivid_Sky23 yeah i can see why they brought back Watsuki. That Kenshin sequel was selling hella good before and even after the arrest
@@metalslayer777 don't get it twisted I don't support that decision but from a business standpoint it was most likely the truth
TBH, I am from Germany and what I learned since middle school is: cp crimes happen often here in school related social groups, church related social groups, (professional) sport related social groups, in families, by friends of the parents, actors, singers, painters… literally almost everywhere. It seems like the monsters who do this, are often having a lot of authority which the child can’t really reject (that’s the result of one of the commissions published some days ago) or the child gets (majorly mentally) overpowered by the monster and manipulated to even offer the actions. For example if the monster was a trainer and the victim wanted to do sport professionally, the trainer made clear that this career is over if the victim isn’t more willing and offers some actions. Totally disgusting. One trainer even got in jail, but now he is training again teenage girls which was his victim group. Absolutely horrible.
Was hat das jetzt mit deutschland zutun?
Guck dir mal russland philippinen thailand japan an
Wir sind für viel scheisse bekannt aber cp ist mir wirklich neu
Zudem (und ich bin nichtmal christ) geht mir dieses auf die kirche kacken so aufn sack
Wir haben weit über eine milliarden christen und weiß gott wie viele kirchen
Guck dir mal muslimische länder an wo es literally nach islamischen fatwas und sunnahs (rechtssprechungen und lebensweise des propheten) legal ist kinder zu heiraten
Kirche ist halt nur gross in den medien weil boohoo kirche macht böse sachen und weil die taten gedeckt wurden (was absolut zu kritisieren ist)
Ansonsten ist pedophilie da genau so verbreitet wie überall und es ist absolut unnötig es ständig zu erwähnen vorallem wenns um nen japaner geht
If you listen carefully, you'll hear that the magazines were imported from Germany. I guess Germany has looser enforcement than Japan in that regard.
worst part about this is how lenient sentencing is in Germany. Not just does law enforcement not even really go after these criminals unless someone from the public has gathered overwhelming evidence, but when they do get arrested they usually get 2-4 years of probation...
@@insu_na that’s so true. I know so many rape and stalking victims who didn’t even bother to go to the police because the rapist wouldn’t get sentenced properly and they would not really get help, but be retraumatized and humiliated several times. Especially in Berlin you don’t really get help. I remember how a neighbor asked for help because his brother in law threatened to kill him. The guy even had a gun which is super uncommon in Germany. My neighbor didn’t get any help, was laughed at by the officer and shot a few days later. When a woman who I grew up with was killed by her adopted daughter and her friend for 100 €, the judge said it was the victim‘s fault because of her sexual orientation (which was in no way related to the crime) and sentenced the two murderer to two and five years of jail, but they could get out of jail after a super short time because of „Bewährung“.
I could continue with this kind of stories almost infinitely. I remember how a judge wanted to change it, but she committed suicide after several things.
Omg, I never knew it was this bad in Germany of all places 😥
As someone who works with probation officers in the US, there are many CP offenders I see who don’t get long sentences. :/ But my thought is that it’s not just a trend with manga artists that get caught with CP, I think there are many people across the general population that are accessing this however because they are manga artists- they are the only ones you are hearing about due to them having a name. It’s a dark thought, but CP is a huge issue across the entire world and just about anyone can access it. :(
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I thought in the US you get years upon years for each cp all adding up to 100s of years.
@@starlord157 it could depend from state to state, but being in CT- I have seen sentences of 10 years Jail but suspended after serving 2 years, probation for 10 years. Etc. this could vary from 10 images to 100s/1000s of images - also if it’s someone’s first offense that could be less of a sentence versus a repeat offender. I think the idea is that the criminal Justice system is trying to keep our prisons from being over filled so offenders serve less time because of that. This also depends from judge to judge too honestly- some are easier on younger offenders while giving harsher sentences to people of color, etc. It’s very frustrating working in this field !
Well accessing isn't exactly nearly as damaging as you know producing it.
and of course CP stands for cheese pizza and not child por- *gunshot*
Child abuse should NEVER be taken lightly. God bless you for covering this 🙏
This is a story that what is legally distributed in Germany is illegal in Japan.
@@nitro2525k What? 😳
@@TruePT He bought what was legally distributed in Germany and brought it to Japan, but it was illegal in Japan.
@@nitro2525k If it’s ch*ld p*rn, which it was, i’m pretty sure it’s illegal in Germany as well. It was just available to get there, not necessarily legal
@@nitro2525k bruh it's not legal anywhere
"Why is it always manga artists?"
But is it? If a stock broker gets caught with CP, would we even know? If some random salaryman gets busted with the second-largest CP collection in Japanese history, would we even know (the very biggest might make the news)?
Seems Theanimeman is committing a crime worse that pedophelia that the justice system doesn't properly punish
Slanders and double standards.
Because Joey, and his Western group have gotten ridiculously anti-japan in the last few years, and will do anything to slander it. And Manga is inherently tied to Japanese culture.
Unless he has some explanation why he singles out Japan for issues like this, and constantly frames it as a Japanese problem, or an anime problem, and doesn't even touch on the fact that this issue is literally several times worse in every English-speaking country, which is his primary audience.
@@Phatnaru0002 Like I'm gonna trust Japan's crime statistics.
@@WelfareChrist Is there a particular reason you wouldn't trust theirs, but trust other countries?
@@Phatnaru0002 You shouldn't take any of those numbers without a grain of salt sure, but Japans police force and justice system are pretty well known to be broken. If you're charged with a crime in Japan guess what the numbers are for being found guilty? Go on, take a guess. Did you guess the odds are 99.9% guilty? LOL I mean, if that number doesn't tell you somethings terribly wrong! And the number of guilty verdicts is that high in part because only 8% of cases are even pursued! So roughly 92% of cases aren't even pursued! Hard to add those cases to cold hard numbers on crime statistics when you don't even know if they happened and you're not planning on arresting anyone. These aren't controversial numbers btw, I doubled checked and even Nippon news, a giant Japanese news organization, corroborated them.
"Why it's always manga artists?"
It really isn't, that's just confirmation bias. For one you could say most cases you end up not even knowing about, since the criminals are not well known, but even looking at only well known figures you could say "Why it's always *blank*" for many other groups of people. If anything it's important to raise awareness to this kinda of stuff, it ain't just manga artists, the predators are all over the place and the majority of them ain't famous.
Yeah,
Talking like why is it alvays them is damaging their reputation as profession.
And if you disagree then what about being a priest... The reputation of the profession was shaken because based on some examples where similar logic was applied...
This wont fix the problem....
Yea and it's important to note that the manga artist got it from overseas because he couldn't get hold of it from Japan. Meaning that there are bigger fish on European countries to catch rather than Japan.
Thank you for this
@@ariavachier-lagravech.6910 doesn't really justify japan's disregard on the situation. We shouldn't be deluded by the image of a "dream country" whether it's on the east or west.
@@weirdbro6597 bro
I don't know if you can read or not but I never justify it at all and as we can see from how hard it is to obtain CP in Japan compared to European countries it is implied that Japan take the CP stuffs more seriously. Maybe you should acquire reading comprehension first before replying because clearly you don't understand anything.
Thing is, you see this a lot with WESTERN cartoon artists too. Not just at a large scale either, but the amount of twitter artists caught doing this is insane. To an extent, you have to wonder if they create their art to get closer to the audience they wanna diddle. Or if the fact they garner that type of audience puts those ideas in their heads after they've gained popularity.
I mean pointing out that western artist do it to doesn’t exactly make it right… and I would argue to a much higher extent than what would happen elsewhere Japan seems to have this strange affinity for school girls and shit and you can like buy girls panties in vending machines.. ngl is strange
No you don't
@@SteezyMPeezy Where tf did I say that it was okay to do?? It's obviously bad, I don't think I need to point that out, do I?? But I do definitely agree that japan's uhh... "culture" doesn't seem to help the issue.
@@FallenZer0 look up folks like John.K, Chris Savino, John Bob, Tarhead and you'll have been started on the rabbit hole
@@SteezyMPeezy Loli is meant to be cute. Putting sexy into the mix is the problem
But it's that can of worms again; since it's fictional, is it still bad
I think the reason its "always manga artists" is a stigma/popularity thing. With manga artists drawing certain types of content, it creates a stigma that puts them in that category, so when that happens, it becomes profitable/expected to report on it. I feel that there is many cases you just never hear about because its just never covered in the news. I feel that may actually be the the harm of many of the artists that live normal lives.
The same as "The full moon invites evil" when in reality, the light of the full moon allows you to see the evil that was always there.
I was thinking about different question "Why many manga artist criminal charge revolve around CP?" If I want to compare a public figure, I do it with other similar public figure.
Well....Japan itself in the anime and manga community is a loli-con infested place. It's literally the environment they grow up in. Like manga characters that look like children in weird situations, it's not wrong to assume that after all of this. I wouldn't be surprised if the manga artist for dragon maid got arrested for this.
@@malikfaisal416 Because Japan in the anime and manga community has developed from cute and innocent characters to high-school kids in short clothes in weird positions... to straight up children in weird situations..
@@nobody3281 Dude...it's practically the same concept. It's basically just an outlet for them. No just because they draw kids in weird outfits it doesn't mean anything but them being a p word is just more likely. Just because it's fiction doesn't make it any less impactful or weird when their still represented as kids and act like kids.
I think when Joey is speaking about America, he is only referring to USA, because in Latin America almost 90% of crimes related to CP, Rword or SA towards minors remain in impunity.
As mexican, our country is referred to be the paradise for molesters... so it's not just a thing that people ignores or don't give the right severity in Japan, it happens everywhere.
Same, in my country the laws are messed up as well
Yeah he didn’t say the Americas. Just America as in the country Americans are in. I know the rest of the world prefers to call it the US though
As a peruvian, people themselves get to punish the abuser (especially if is a child abuser). The last one was in prison, after being beated up, until he k1lled himself weeks later.
For the ones who Rword, is prison for 10 to 35 years. We don't have life sentence sadly.
@@decristal48 va a sonar cruel de mi parte, pero que bueno que los golpean, se lo merecen pues lamentablemente la mayoría de esas personas no sientes consecuencias de sus actos hasta que ellos mismos viven una situación traumatica o son golpeados casi al punto de la muerte y la verdad se lo merecen.
But, what about public opinion? Because in Chile is the same (justice is f...up...), but, people goes berzerk when they find a pedo
I really don't think it's only mangaka that use CP in Japan, just that they are the ones that get into the news, especially Overseas news, and 3 or 4 mangaka getting caught with it over decades doesn't exactly make it a rampant problem , when there are 4000+ active manga artists in any given year.
What's cp
@Dio Cane kiddy pawn
Yeah i’ve heard stories about people in japan getting caught with cp, or done worse, and they never get too publicized bc 1. They do everything to keep it private bc it will bring shame not only to them but to their families and 2. The impact to the public isn’t as huge when they’re not a popular person ex. Manga artist… plus if im not mistaken cp wasn’t even an offense in japan a a couple of decades ago… so im pretty sure those stuff still isnt as controlled compared to the west…
@@diocane8877 why are u here dude? go do homework kid
No one is saying it's just mangaka. It's because of the large amount of fan service for underage characters in the medium which why people are focusing on it more
I think it "always being manga artists" is just confirmation bias. Kind of how you could ask "why is always TH-camrs?" or "Why is it always politicians?". These terrible people come from all walks of life but we mainly only hear about the ones with a platform.
I think the latter examples are more so because those people are in explicit positions of power that can and too often will threaten their victims into silence, resulting in the criminal feeling like they can get away with worse, but I get what you mean. Reporters focus on what will get the most attention, and bad news always does.
i think in this case this is true. if you watch enough media and politicians too you start to realize something like this is very exploitable. if it sounds like mangaka and cp is a thing, that gets clicks and it’s a basis to get people to thinking “manga=bad”. it’s profitable and beneficial politically. at the very least you can distract people from an issue you don’t want people to talk about
Yeah, if you go looking, you will find cartoonists and comic writers who have been arrested or alleged to have done similar things. I imagine the cross over has to do with the fact that manga is viewed by children, and so being a mangaka can give you greater access to children. Much like how you will probably find predators in schools, daycares, sports, etc. They are drawn to careers that give them access to children.
Hold up, besides the manga artists being pedos, what do you mean you can buy this stuff in germany, getmany wtf
@@DrRyan82994 Idk about politicians but manga artists and youtubers are often entertaining. Don't place them in the same category at least in general.
I don't understand... With all the loli and teenagers sexualized in manga/anime by manga artists, how is anyone surprised that some have been caught interested in and doing these things in real life?
Like to me, it's just... duh.
Because those manga are for teen males
Exactly.
Denial. I won't read any manga with a child being sexualized, but many people give excused as to why they still read stuff like this...so they don't want to admit they play a part supporting those people even when they got exposed publicly
Okay but most of those designs aren’t made to look like kids, while I agree it’s still disgusting no matter what don’t compare fictional teenage girls that look like 20 year olds to real children being harmed like disgusting no matter what but one is obviously way worse then the other
I was scrolling in doujins site and I always see lot of manga with literal kids! So disgusting.
I feel the reason so many manga artists got caught being into CP is because it's not the manga artist title itself, it's that they were already into CP waaaay before being a manga artist. It's just when they chose to be a manga artist, I feel like maybe they chose an artistic method to create a world they can get access to CP without breaking the law. But then when they started their career as a manga artist, their reputation got better and their ego got bigger, so now they have nothing to fear and that's when they decide to commit the crime.
It's not all manga artists. It's just these gulty individuals were already guilty prior to being a manga artist. They escaped into the field of manga art as a way to hide their guilty self.
I think there's another reason why this is frequently happening to older people in Japan. First off I'm not defending CP. A lot of older Japanese people grew up in a time where there was no concept of CP and believed this was just normal. CP was actually only banned in Japan in 1999 because the Japanese government wanted to look good to the west. So for a lot of Japanese people growing up at that time that was a huge culture shock. Kenya Suzuki is 40, that would mean he was about 18 when the ban on CP was implemented in Japan. So I could imagine as a growing adult this would have been hard for him to accept since it's totally different from what he and a whole generation of Japanese people grew up with.
To put this into perspective, some psychologists believe that 25 and not 18 is when a person is mentally mature to be an adult. Now imagine if suddenly governments declared that 25 is now the legal age. I would believe it would be hard for a lot of people to accept that suddenly a 24 year old is a minor, and almost all the porn that they are used to watching is suddenly classified as "child porn". Or that people who are above 25 who were dating people aged 18-24 are suddenly declared as pedophiles.
Again I'm not defending CP, I just think this is a case of culture shock or people having a hard time adjusting to modern times.
Are u telling me before 1999 Japan had legal child porn? Like, normally? Wtf?!
@@bumblebeeman2103 Yeah. You know that actress who played Gogo from Kill Bill? She had like a nude photobook when she was only 14. And there were a lot of these back in the 90's, but they were a bit hard to find in the internet since search engines were primitive and Japan wasn't much connected to the internet back then.
@@bumblebeeman2103 the only reason you think its wrong its because school and parents taught you that.....if it was normal for years in Japan what do you think the west is ? simple....brainwashed people...and honestly....its easy to brainwash kids..ofc Japan has different brainwashing than the west but it exist there too............here a little experiment you can do if you got kids if you want proof........teach ur kid X is bad and X is good.....see what happen when they grow up and how they react to what you taught them.....the brain basic thinking is neutral....depending on weither the kid is indifferent or dislike what you suggested does impact the teaching.....if the feeling is indifferent you can easily push it into either positive or negative....but if they oppose to what your trying to teach them then its not something you can manipulate.....in my case screw teaching i received..i follow 1 personnal rule "mutual agreement regardless of third party thinking"...basicly i respect others choices as long it doesn't come to harm me...i'am free from the brainwash..although some of the teaching still linger on my mind stopping me from being fully free....have a good day, maybe someday you will break free from your brainwashing
I also studied japan history during my uni stay and I build a thesis and theory about WHAT IF this is because of the past wars? like i think everyone know about Japan and Korea didnt or prob will never have a good relationship, and about the time where prost are a very high demanding thing during war time and theyre also ended up being prost because of fam debt. Its not just girls became one, some boys ended up becoming one as well and I realized…. ALL OF THEM ARE MINOR LIKE VERY MINOR, and i believed at that time IT WAS OKAY fpr them but looking back you know eveyrealizing….. that never normal
CP related cases are actually getting more and more common in japan, joey. It fucking tripled in a year once. Definitely not always manga artists.
I theorize that manga/anime is just more degen in general so the chances of someone doing shit is just increased. But at the same time we know that violent video games don't cause violence so...
@@capybearuh i think there's something incomparable between sexual lust and lust for murder and violence. Sure both can overlap into something more messed up, but judging them separately, it's easier for someone to be a sex offender than a genuine psychopath
What is CP?
@@aejei that’s a good point. Someone def is more likely to do something non violent than kill someone.
@@yah3707 its about kids, stuff stuff
I really feel bad for the children harmed in the middle of it, this creates scars for life.
And for parents too: knowing some sick "fans" are there defending the perpetrators of the crimes done to their children, is a really messed up thing on top of a tragedy.
I can't believe he isn't lumping lolicon shit with real CP. It's all the same to me. Depicting abuse of children is linked to the sort of crimes being discussed here.
It's all fun and games and they defending them until their children and family are the ones getting abused
@@bringsnsdback1645 a lot of times it’s done by family so they probably still think it’s fun and games.
@@bringsnsdback1645 Yes, I honestly can't say that this type of criminal even deserves forgiveness.
I imagine the people who are trying to defend this author are maybe very distanced of any case of it in real life, with anyone close to them. (And I live for your username)
I only defend the art and is against policing art over the artist's crimes
Joey seems to forget the both Kenshin and Toriko author is that they are very good friends with Oda. The Author of Toriko was arrested during his 1st manga, and came back with the Help of Oda by collaborating with him and created Toriko. When it comes to Crimes in Japan, as long as you're connected with someone powerful you're actually good.
uh it's not true that he got out due to oda
Toriko was pretty famous otherwise as well
yoo what
@@sorryminati4719 plus had a crossover with one piece and Dragon Ball
Powerful connections always give you a "get out of jail" free card.
However, not forever, most people eventually get caught.
The connection to Oda is not necessary to avoid jail time, as the law in this case is very soft. In this same case the author did not go to prison. The connection is important to get a second chance.
My little brother has a first name starting with C and a last name starting with P.
When he’d make things artistically as a kid, he used to always sign them with CP.
When he’d label things for himself in the fridge, he’d label them CP.
He stopped doing that when he found out what his initials mean online.
I feel bad for laughing
Poor guy.
No fr I used to think my initials were bad but this proved me very wrong.
MF
Shout out to Chris Paul
Are you my older brother? lmfao I add middle initials for this exact reason.
I suggest adding the first letter of his middle name to differentiate his initials from…that
Could be coincidence or just be a bigger headline to put out there. Random Office worker caught with CP magazines. Big name Manga artist caught with CP magazines. Just a thought but it does really suck that someone could create something people love would have that dark side to them.
Having communist party magazines is no joke, they deserve the guillotine for that
Where tf are they getting those?
Big enough for the news to be notable, not big enough for the news to be coerced into staying silent.
Being in journalism I can tell you 100% that's what it was; it's also the reason why I don't agree with news journalists anymore most have some sort of bias & aren't actually the people's informant these days
what the world needs is for a mangaka to make a manga about an office worker getting caught with CP and then for the mangaka themselves to get caught with CP, CP-ception
There are hundreds of CP crimes each year done by all kind of people, nothing to do with manga artists. The fact these crimes are in the news in japan is because the perpetrator is a public figure. If the guy was a plumber you would not see it in the news. That is also the reason it is mainly reported in Japan, since outside the country manga artists are not that well knwon by the public. Public figures crimes = clicks and clicks = money, and that is what the media cares about.
what does CP mean ??
is this a perfect example of survivorship bias , or do i not get it
@@mukulmina4642 pretty sure it means child
po rnogrophy ( sorry i had to put a space or youtube blocks it from being commented)
@@TP-tg8cc that’s not why they report on it though, they report it because they’re a public figure.
media outlets choose what’s more interesting, most would argue a mangakas life is more interesting than your “average joe”
@@TP-tg8cc I don't think OP is saying they *shouldn't* report when mangaka do these things, rather that the reporting tends to cause viewers to generalize. So, for example, it could be that CP related crime rates for mangaka are in-line with the general populous, but the reporting makes it seem like mangaka commit the crime more (i.e., overrepresentation of mangaka in news stories).
8:01 I truly feel horrified about this. In America most people do take it seriously. Unfortunately I work in juvenile corrections and the current statistic is 89% of all juvenile offenders have been sexually traumatized under the age of 12. This doesn't include regular abuse IE beatings, starvation, etc. People act upset in America then conveniently turn their heads and move on. Our own Child Protective Services will return children to these homes or "schedule" visits well in advance to give guardians time to put on a good show. I truly wish we'd do more. We can do more to combat this epidemic. Trafficking of children and teens is now the business of gangs in America too. They're moving away from drugs because exploiting children is more profitable and easier to get away with in the U.S.
At least you know if someone in the US gets charged with child molestation or something like that they’ll be fearing for their lives in prison with even the guards turned against them. In Japan there’s no real consequence it seems… plus it’s so normalized in Japanese media.
I am glad you brought this up. I am a voluteer hotline worker for Rape crissis and child possession center. This is a chain we must break or it will get worse.
There was a kids youtube channel which today was terminated called fantastic adventures where there is this one mother who adopted kids to be actors, when they forget their lines, the pentalty was WAY TOO UNFAIR as they were locked in cupboards for days without food or water.
The whole situation was reported by none other than her biological daughter.
I wouldn't doubt if the CPS agents were responsible for it sometimes. The American system is so fucked I honestly belive many of these kids are better off in their current abusive homes than a new one. Too many people look at foster care as a paycheck.
Both of my sisters were molested as children. Nothing ever happened to the guy. I wanted to talk about it to one of my sisters but I don't want to bring up that dark part of the past. I feel the need to almost pretend it never happened.
Ive personally dealt with stuff like that as a kid and it does messes up a kids psychology. People who support CPs are just as horrible .-.
Exactly. Nobody should support them. Avoid someone who supports them💀 Pedophiles definitely need therapy
@@woozihae and no slandering art enjoyers like me as CP defenders as we only defend the art that isn't associated with the crime such as Rurouni Kenshin.
People who support it are just offenders who hadn't been caught yet
I'm sorry to hear that
He and Nobuhiro were arrested for having "girls in bikinis" content. It's not actual pornography. In many cases it doesn't even involve children, but teenagers 12 to 16 years old.
I support your "zero tolerance" stance. If you love manga and anime, you have to be against the PoS that commit crimes and ruin the medium's reputation. No matter how popular or beloved they are.
Something I have always said and pushed was that yes, you can love a piece of artwork or Literature, but doesn't mean the person who created it is perfect. JK Rowling and Lovecraft have series that people adore and love with it even bringing people together and yet those authors have really bad views on certain groups of people when they talked in public (or in lovecraft's part when he was alive). There comes a point when a piece of art becomes more about what it makes you feel rather then whatever the author is about. That means that those who love the Manga should not try to defend the Mangaka just because they like the Manga. But thats just a view I have at least.
@@angelsinthewindow Rowling doesnt really have any takes that are this bad. Heck
@@bendover7841 Rowling supports lgbt
@@nekoscum4929 the Ts hate her.
@@bendover7841 for good reason
Thanks for bringing some light to this Joey. I was a huge fan of Galko as a character and as an anime, so finding out about this was pretty heartbreaking. It shows that you really shouldn't ever put too much faith in the creator of something you like. It's pretty twisted that these cases are just given a slap on the wrist-or totally brushed under the rug-while many figures in Japan have had their whole lives and careers erased from the public image just for being in possession of marijuana.
There's probably hundreds of cases like this in Japan that go unnoticed in the west because the criminals aren't well-known manga artists. So I don't think it's an issue specifically centered around manga artists, they're just the ones that make headlines.
Why it tends to happen with shonen manga artists specifically tho? Now that's an interesting question.
Probably out of desperately, loneliness, lack of satisfaction, anxiety, less break hours and heavy load of work. As a person that lived in Asia before, Asia is hell so I kinda know why they did it but yeh, I’mma go have it look around more deeper to the first crime that happened, I don’t think it’s a coincident too.
There must be thousands, it's scary how common that is, the other day a discord I was, the owner account got hacked and they added over 50 bots that would send cp, everyone left and the discord obviously got deleted by discord themselves
its probably about the career of making manga, something that kids tend to read, that attracts pedophiles... especially shonen and shojo which tends to be marketed towards a younger demographic
Shonen seems to be the biggest demographic, so statistically, it probably checks out, since very artist looking to turn their craft into a career has more then likely dabbled in the genre.
@@jgobea0188 Yeah, I also heard there was a gaming design staff member messaging like 14 year old for the free game and later he got arrested and fired for that, it was a long time ago but damn, it’s still happening.
The odd bit is that there are hundreds of manga artists that have Lolis and stuff in their explicitly ecchi work, yet it’s usually the artists of series that don’t revolve around that stuff that turn out to have actual CP in their possession or try to do some of that awful crap. I’m not accusing those artists I first mentioned I just think it’s well kinda odd and not what you’d expect
@Mădălina I mean you’re probs not wrong, but I just don’t think it does much for my happinesss to keep thinking it might be the case. I’d rather just assume people aren’t monsters in general, and deal with the disappointment on an individual basis
Also as to your mentione of someone who got into irl loli shit (it genuinely feels wrong to type that out) imma just say that’s some nasty ass shit and I really hope whoever didn’t hurt anyone, then imma leave it be and move on.
Makes sense to me tbh. You put in fiction things you know you can't do in real life. Besides, people who do that shit IRL knows making manga about it is going to make them more sus, whereas innocent people have nothing to hide, and know any accusations against them will be groundless, given them the courage to make those kinds of fiction. Honestly not odd at all :P
For a lot of the people drawing and enjoying that kind of stuff it's nothing more than fantasy. Most of these people wouldn't actually do anything to a child unless you lock them up with one for a few days even if they do happen to like children that way (though honestly this goes for most people when they're locked into a room with someone they're attracted to. At some point the urge is going to take over and with someone always there, there's nowhere for it to go). Statistically the people who do things to children are people who tend to put themselves in a position where they think they can get away with it. So it tends to be teachers, sports club people, friends of the family or even relatives. Someone who isn't above doing things with a real child or has actual CP may also enjoy loli-stuff, but... not everyone who enjoys loli-stuff enjoys CP or would do anything with an actual child.
Trust me, it’s not a problem with manga authors. It’s the entertainment industry as a whole. Ever see the kind of stuff Hollywood, politicians and rich elites do behind the scenes? The whole world is this way unfortunately.
True.
@CDNU if you're not for Dragon ball, i got you covered, the Vic Migonnia allegations were false, first off when a woman asked Sean Schemmel for her autograph, Sean pulled her shirt to peek at her cleavage and he doesn't get backlash. but what makes Sean worse than a pervert is when the same woman hugged Vic Migonnia politely, Vic gets falsely accused by none other than Sean Schemmel, Chris Sabat and Monica Rial.
That's just the dubbed Dragon Ball
@@bailujen8052 what becoming famous does to a mfer
It's more overt in a lot of Manga.
TH-camrs as well
I personally feel it has something to do with it being so okay in the world of Anime and Manga. I suffered CP from my uncle and he would watch/read shows/manga featuring young children being sexualized. I know for people there is a disconnect between reality and fiction but not everyone has that disconnect and I feel that it's just okayed way too often. People are also going to continue to be bold about it because, as you said, all they get is a slap on the wrist.
While I can see your point, it is important to note that the mangaka get it from overseas (specifically Europe) because as he said it is impossible to get it on Japan. Meaning it's completely unfair to just point at anime because it shows that other countries that is not strong in anime cultures is the one that owned CP oh hey remember Epstein. I get that your point of view is based on experience and it must have been horrible for you to get through that. There is a need to see the bigger pictures here.
@@ariavachier-lagravech.6910 I'm not saying Japan is the only place guilty of it, I'm saying the laws are very lax and there's little to nothing keeping it from being portrayed in those forms of media, obviously this is a problem all over the world, I was just saying that it definetly is glossed over within the anime community since this is an anime channel
I’m really sorry for your experience :(. I agree with you, I think the lines between fiction and reality are blurred for sure. I mean, why would anyone want to see a drawing of something like that in the first place? I would have to seriously question that person. I don’t care what anyone says, those people are sick bastards, plain and simple.
Let's be clear, HERE we are talking some imported magazines from Germany I know nothing about, except it's about as rotten a country as Australia. It's convenient that honesty has been censored but that's the definition of "CP", Japan has a defnitiion of DV, domestic violence, actually violating children that is REALLY serious business.
So, what, if Joey buys his daughter a smartphone before 18, and Japanese government deems her stolen private instagram as "CP" no matter what's in those pictures, Joey has done the same crime as the Germans, the "unquestionably worse thing that can be done". Even worse than if he literally borked his own daughter in secret? Or, just violated anyone, even an adult woman? Everyone would agree? Worst means WORST.
Let's stop preteding this is a discussion video, this is an outrage video. We all got to blame GTA for our murderous tendencies before Australia banned it, and cooked up our developing brains with its child abuse.
You suffered сhild роrnоgrарhy, huh? ಠಿ_ಠಿ
You must ask yourself, "Are there a DISPORTIONATE number of Manga Artists involved in this type of activity, or are their cases simply higher profile?" Locally, 20-someodd years ago, we had THREE such cases in a ROW, where the perpetrator was a FIREMAN. There were quite a few off-color jokes and remarks about firemen for a few months. BUT are firemen more prone to be those types of people? I think not.
Is just that some people sometimes go into a rabit hole and they cant go back.
there is the pedo that is like that and there is the other pedo that becomes like that because of things they do...
no simpaty for any of then.
Yep, manga artists are just in the spotlight recently because of the booming popularity of anime.
They where always there, is just we are now finding out there are into this crap. And not long ago most things like child pornography wasn´t ilegal in Japan.
@@nidohime6233 To be clear, the production and distribution of CP has been illegal in Japan since the early 1900s per their penal code.
@@theblasblas and the ownership of CP wasn't outlawed until very recently. Most pedos likely don't produce or sell CP in the first place. Not to mention the punishments for owning CP in japan is still ridiculously light.
"very famous and well renounced, at least, before it all happened"
Dude, Toriko was released after he did that woopsie. It resulted in his first series being cancelled. Toriko was his "second chance". Probably got that chance because he's good friends with Oda-sensei.
He bought those... in my country?! That really scares me now because there is still investigations going on about an entire internet circle across the country who sold CP... not too long ago there was a young man arrested for having an entire set up of computers etc with CP in his mother's garden house and he even did this to his girlfriend's son... his mom knew it and she was a kindergarten teacher.. which makes me feel even worse because I want to be a kindergarten teacher and those stupid people are now ruining my hobbies and my future job safety because the trust is fading..... 🙁
The thought of someone buying such things from here.... 🤢
Those that are into it, probably get into jobs related to children.
This stuff is highly illegal in Germany too. If he bought it from Germany, he must have bought it from the dark web.
I wonder if the definition of CP is different between the two countries.
Ich schäme mich grad sehr für Deutschland
@@montyalb8788 The laws in Germany a very strict. Depending on how realistic it is, even a painting, drawing or rendered graphic can count as this stuff and will be prosecuted. Owning, buying or trying to buy this stuff is punishable with a prison term of one year.
I don't know. I'm a Japanese "otaku" myself who got schooled about the whole thing by an uncle who grew up in the heat of the "otaku boom" but I think the culture has a deep and self-aware history of allowing/making a space for people with legitimate pedophilia - Many of them see themselves as outcasts who deserve sympathy (and though in some ways people who do recognise their issue and are trying their best to tackle it do to some extent in my opinion) and we all know the roots of the manga/anime fan mindset come from similar places. Joey, I'm sure you know that a lot of the evidence to the connection I'm talking about here are only really available in Japanese. Maybe that's what you could help reveal in a video or something.
@Miyamoto Musashi I mean, please don't take what I'm saying as some sort of thing where I equate the entirety of Japanese culture or the anime/manga culture to Pedophilia. Again to reiterate, I am trying to consider perhaps that the culture allows the space to be given to a small minority of pedophiles (who also end up loud and interconnected through some sort of solidarity as they are shunned from mainstream society)
I can agree with this. A large section of otaku seem socially outcast and angry at society. It, sadly, makes sense that they dont care for the harm done towards "those people" as they likely see it. The western otaku scene is much less receptive of these groups but theres other groups who also try to attack harmless stuff, so we're stuck between two groups to deal with.
It's actually interesting you point that out, it feels like CP is perceived as something normal by a certain part of the manga community. And the amount of p*d0 stuff flooding the manga market seems to confirm the industry as a whole is used to it, that's terrifying
@@JoJoboiWav i think you might be conflating fictional content about unrealistic characters with real life a bit there chief
@@crimsama2451 I am not. This kind of content exist for a reason, let's just be honest
10:55 "why do you think it's always manga artists"
Let's be honest, the number of actual criminals is way more than those who are found and (hopefully) sentenced and only a part of those get media coverage.
Because of the perceived link between manga and huh "lolis", you have more chances to be under the spotlight.
"Any kind of CP related allegation in crime in America is literally like the worst most punishable crime that you could ever commit"
*Meanwhile at Mormon towns*
Wait I don't know much about Mormons, what do they do?
@@arno7163 it depends how much they are rooted within each town, but you may find in worse cases:
- Polygamy, sodomization, incest and husbandry selling
- Pedophilia
- Crime omission
- Child trafficking
- Money laundering
- Illegal rituals
- Internal drug smuggling
- Registry/Identity wiping (if they work at the state)
- Local corruption (including cases where all cops and sherif of a town are mormons and will participate in a Mormon related crime and/or ommit it)
- Political Corruption (if they work at the state)
@@polvocorrupto Aiyo what, so if this all happening why don't they force politicians to do something and make sure they're accountable?
@@arno7163 Because each State has their autonomus laws (which is why California is a shitshow due to wokeness and lack of regulation towards companies). However, the real problem is that, when they get into positions of power (especially the State), they can manipulate courts, police, etc as long as there are other Mormon members in them to help each other in getting away with it. It works the exact same way as nepotism.
Or christian fundamentalist cults that arrange child marriages essentially, treat girls like brood mares, blame little girls and women for being attacked and cover up CP CONSTANTLY. Yes, people don't realize what a problem it still is in the US too especially among religious extremists.
Idk man. I work with kids in the USA so I've actually had some interactions with these sorts of people. I think it's more common than people realize. Almost every week I catch random adult men talking to kids through the chain link. They don't get more than a few sentences out before we're walking over there, but I always have to wonder why the hell a grown man would strike up a midday convo with an 8 year old.
Yup. When I was a kid, there was an old man who run by shirtless. And he sometimes stopped to talk to students. I always grabbed my friends and told em to stay away. 😬 the guy was reported and never seen again.
sadly it's extremely common. most people hear that and think "okay it happens a lot then" but no these people are literally everywhere.
"the news put out a few headlines so I guess I can't trust anyone who talks to kids" is truly stupid. its really not that common just like how murder isn't common and neither are most of the major crimes you see in news. just cause they get focused on and promoted the most doesn't mean its anywhere near as common as news makes it seems.
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 Disagree. People are right. They are everywhere. You gotta watch out. Obviously not everyone is like that and you shouldn’t just assume about random people, but if you’re not careful you may find them. They could be people you don’t expect too like a woman or other minors. They could be handsome, beautiful, dating, married, or any number of other things. Unfortunately monsters don’t always look like monsters. Usually they are people you don’t expect like family or friends.
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 You realize most child sex crime isn't reported on the news right? In most states, families have the legal right to bar news outlets from reporting on a crime if their child was victimized, even if the child isn't mentioned by name. This is to prevent further trauma to the child, but it's why you never hear about these cases.
As for overreacting to ppl talking to kids, we're literally trained for this. If a man walks by with his dog and the kids go ham over it, it's not necessarily a red flag and you can just watch. But it's suspicious behavior for a grown ass person to call some kids over to the chain link fence for a random chat during midday recess.
the sad thing is, in the case of the creator of rurouni kenshin he got the punishment equivalent to a slap on the wrist. he also received congratulations from other mangakas afterwards. Thank you for bringing more attention to this.
I got a question
Should you hate funimation because Chis Sabat, Sean Schemmel and Monica Rial were bullies to Vic Mignogna and framed him.
@@bailujen8052 yes, they all tried to ruin a mans life and then pretended nothing happened after Vic wasn’t suspicious anymore
Also if you’re speaking about Funimations, yes for making trash ass English dubs
@@bailujen8052 I would be a bully too if someone I know/one of my peers was someone who molested women.
Me, having read bunch of Chinese webnovels and knows of another term "cp" which is basically just a term for shipping two people together, a fandom kinda thing - learning about this "cp" term getting utterly confused and traumatized by this totally random TH-cam algorithm: "...I friging thought I was guilty of illegally shipping people in my head!"
Hahahaha same though. I knew CP as the bad definition at first but then I was reading chinese manhua and CP kept popping up and it made me uncomfortable because I didn't know what it meant. So I searched it up with the chinese slang meaning and I was like "ohhh." It still makes me uncomfortable to see it because of the first meaning 😅
Pffft, try having your initials spell "CP". I'll never be able to sign my magnum opus with just my first and last initials! :P
My disappointment is immesurable. The first time this happened it should have been a lesson, not a trend-setter.
The trend was set has been going strong until 2014 when it became illegal in Japan after international pressure.
And my day is ruined.
A turtle will destroy all cp consumers
The trend already there, they just haven’t been caught yet. Besides, i don’t think this is exclusive to mangaka’s. I’m sure there are more. in fact, i’m positive.
I can just visualize mr incredible becoming uncanny
A bit of a correction regarding Toriko's mangaka:
"Well reknown, or at least before this all happened well rekwnown, Shonen Jump manga series Toriko". It wasn't like that, Shimabukuro's arrest happened way before Toriko was serialized. He was working in the Shonen Jump with a different manga at the time. Manga which was put to hiatus and later cancelled. Toriko started after Shimabukuro came back from his arrest and went back to draw in Jump. He also had another manga after Toriko finished.
so he did his time and hopefully reflected on his mistakes and came back
@@MeloniMacWOKE-RIGHT ?
@@LL-oq5sf I was just making a phrase common in America
@@LL-oq5sf 'So he did his time...' refers to someone who finished their prison sentence and etc.
ok so he got punished. I'm ok with that, a person who has been punished is regular civilian unless they commit another offense
To the last question, I can imagine the Japanese media using the profession of a mangaka as a scapegoat, in similar ways or reasons, American media blaming shooting games for the violence that happens in our country. I can also guess the Japanese media wanting the profession to look bad because last time I heard, being super duper into anime and manga is something Japanese society kind of frowns upon? Or, clicks.
I mean this isn't some small time. These are some VERY well known Artists I assume, not to mention that they're in Shonen Jump which has stuff kids and teens are into.
What's surprirsing to me is that they're not drawing Loli or Shota Porn type stuff, at least that I know of.
I mean if someone like Jack Kirby or Stan Lee was caught like this, I think it would have made the News around here.
There are issues, but just being conservative in blaming bla bla art bad is just tryibg to shame artists and art vovers.
Politician using media to scapegoat someone/something and throw some smokecreen in japan ? Nothing new. Remember when some politician in japan crying because they got caught because of corruption ?
@@terddert6359 not that I care to defend Japan but every country's politician act like that
@@fedyx1544 well, my country happens to be not attending that club since politician caught corrupted can still smile at media's camera
Unfortunately, it's not just manga artists. Lots of people in lots of different career paths commit these types of crimes.
We probably just hear more about manga because that's what we consumer more. Moreover, probably people with other careers have more money to cover up their trials.
And most of all, commoners who do it
What I find especially disgusting about this is that you know based on precedent that he''ll walk and have his career back within a few years (tops) while people like Ai Takabe (and other non-violent drug offenders) get THOROUGHLY cancelled to the point that their careers seldom ever recover.
This double standard in the japanese media and the industries associated with it needs to stop.
No. None of that for a second. Over half of drug users start underaged, and participating in the industry, especially when there's abolitionist policies in place causing the prices to soar, will funnel a LOT of money into the hands of people who target children because they are easy to influence, and also motivate them to stay in active operation for constant stream of big money. Drug abuse IS child abuse, it's a few years' investment for them into a person who can only ever live as another pusher.
@@sboinkthelegday3892 Is that war on drugs propaganda I see? Like, not even sarcasm?
This is literally the gateway drug argument repackaged. You do realize that, right?
Wouldn't you WANT drug abuse to be treated more as a health issue rather than a moral failing and thus be legalized, taxed and regulated? Don't you think that would prevent a whole lot of what you just mentioned from happening?
Non-violent drug offenses don't suddenly become morally reprehensible in and of themselves just because there's a chance some users may be abused by those more powerful than them. In that case, go after the abusers and not the victims (the non-violent drug offenders).
@@sboinkthelegday3892 You do know that prohibition didn't end alcohol, right? All it does is marginalize the victims of addiction. The actual way to handle this would be a well-regulated market, with anti-underage drug consumption policies alongside it, in order to best navigate the issues around addiction.
Arresting non-violent drug offenders only serves to bloat prisons and fuck over already marginalized communities, which tend to suffer the most from those charges in proportion to their drug use.
Both shouldn’t be a big deal
@@sboinkthelegday3892 Did you hurt yourself with that big stretch
It's so sad, I can't believe it, I am a day one reader of that manga, always waiting for the next chapter each week. Heartbreaking really, I remember that wave of happiness I'd experience whenever I was reading it.
Edit: Yeah I never read this manga I just posted it for likes lol
True i really enjoy the series
I'm sorry for your loss
@Ethan S no need to be pessimistic he's not defending them or anything
@Ethan S hate comments with just “ok” like bro either you have smth to say or nah
When it became the talk of the town when it landed it's anime adaptation.
My memory is fuzzy but everyone in the anime community and well known anitubers as well, Joey and Garnt included, talked about it.
Reminds me of that line in Downfall by Inio Asano where he talks about readers not giving a shit about how bad a person the mangaka is, just so long as they keep selling books.
Ayoo bro, are u a fan of Inio Asano sensei? What manga did you like of his work? Me? Oyasumi PunPun
The maximum prison sentence for possession of cp in Japan is only one year. It’s barely even considered a crime, and I find that incredibly disturbing.
at least drug possesion and yakuza fellowship are given harsher sentences
@@abrahamlupis9354 I'd say the drug possession shouldn't be punished that harshly
Of course, there is a definite difference between real CP and drawings. But I also think it’s narrow minded to not recognize that drawings themselves can be problematic. The drawings desensitize people and culture to real life CP, and also enable these creeps. Rational, normal, socialized people will understand the difference and the line between the two. They know better than to cross that line. But the fact is, there are a lot of people who use these drawings as sexual gratification because they can’t have the “real thing”. It’s like enabling a drug user by giving them liquor instead. I also think the underlying misogyny in Japanese culture plays a role in why it’s so “normalized”, to the point that it’s just widely accepted, and these creeps just got a slap on the wrist. I’m not trying to say everyone that reads loli is a creep, or that it’s wrong at all. To each their own. But hopefully some people can also recognize the double standard and hypocrisy in it.
exactly what i think!
Best opinion for this topic 👌
Extremely well put.
i think thats exactly why they make that type of art
Absolutely crushed about this. Galko-chan is one of my favorite manga and the anime adaptation was one of my feel-good shows that I'd use to watch.
Same, Galko-chan is one of my personal favorites and the manga is so good. I'm heartbroken.
You can enjoy art without supporting the artist
Comment above me is right, there’s plenty of pirating websites out there after all
I got a statue of galko. Should I still keep it or sell it?
@@devilfacethedarklord yes! You like the character, not what the creator does outside of his work
"Why do you think it's always Manga artists?"
Well, Joey, I DON'T think it's ALWAYS Manga artists.
I think it's ALWAYS Manga artists that get into the NEWS and NOTICED by people. Since Manga artists have the fame and popularity, it'll get noticed by people more, rather than just regular Japanese citizens. Unless Japanese news articles actually cover every single criminal case of CP, I think that for regular Japanese citizens, the CP crime has to be really fucked up for it to be on the news, although, admittedly myself haven't really read much Japanese news... since I can't read Japanese and don't bother to use Google Translate. Although, I ain't saying this is true. This is my merely MY own OPINION and THEORY. prove me wrong though.
I think he mentioned Manga artists in compared to the celebrities in other fields rather than regular citizens
that is a lot of capitalized words
I get what u mean. But like I have not heard any popular figures like actors, producers being arrested for these acts. Maybe I'm just not informed. But whenever it's someone popular being arrested for cp, most of the time it's mangakas and not any other popular person from other medium from Japan . Maybe just a coincidence idk
@@sleight7942 thats because those guys are rich af, one of the reason theyre “popular”. Mangaka dont have that much money to have the media nor the cops not covering what theyre doing
@@nguyenduyminh2155 I mean, there's definitely plenty in Hollywood so I'm sure it's not as specific to mangakas as it would seem. But big movie and music stars tend to have more money and social protection than a mangaka. Even famous comics people are still basically B-class celebrities, even in Japan, so it's easier to throw them under the bus.
i know this is absolutely not about this but: as a german i do wonder how he purchased stuff from here bc cp is strictly forbidden here. of course there will sadly always be crime done in the shadows…
@bronyinsticks if that was the case then i do not see any reason why he has to purchase these things from outside the country. i am sure magazines like that exist in japan too.
I think alot of people engage in this kind of crime in Japan but only the manga artist are brought to the spotlight because of their fame .
Always has been for any known figure in the world. Sometimes Joey had a lot of biases every time he makes a statement
@@pauloazuela8488 bro, take a glance at how much loli characters they draw that are "1000 years old". It's weird.
@@FyreTeGo And yeah, how many of them are reported who are actually loli artists and caught red handed with this stuff. A lot of these caught manga artists aren't even a loli artist. What the main comment says was just they're much focused on these people because they have a huge reputation, they get the spotlight. Just because you draw lolis you're now a certified child abuser, it doesn't work that way all the time. Stop these prejudice though.
@@FyreTeGo And how many of them are caught consuming CP.
@@pauloazuela8488 they write stories about super hornet teenagers with weird age to appearance ratio.
My German butt, hearing those horrible things being shipped from Germany: ... what? How?
Sorry to say but when I hear of porn from Germany I usually think of weird porn most places deem illegal or taboo.
@@Veniden it literally isn't more weird than in other countries I guess (not a topic I know really though)
Well, if you research it.... there's a whole massive research and police work going on because of a CP scandal that involved hundreds of people all over the country.... It's sickening (btw I am also German)
Apparently some nudist magazine from...70s? There is also the infamous 70s album cover for the german album Virgin Killer by Scorpions, featuring naked 10 years old girl...in other words, 70s Germany was way too liberal with that shit.
Sorry but when I think of Germany I think of young Romanian girls being trafficked in Berlin. Such a shame
In the US, in at least Texas, any material that just APPEARS to sexually depict a minor could be considered to be CP. Yes, even drawings. Manga and other related event goers in Texas have been warned not to bring any such materials to such events. I don’t think law enforcement is actively attending and looking for such material, though.
That's fantastic!
I think you're talking about the Protect Act, which was actually more like guidelines. It was made during the Internet's infancy, as the government didn't know what to make of the internet yet. A judge ruled against it, saying that criminalizing sexualized things like statues and drawings is ridiculous and unconstitutional, which I agree. People age, drawings and statues do not.
@@PKMN37 This was a TX state law just a few years ago, but if federal courts already made rulings against it, it would be unenforceable, of course. TX likes to think it's above federal law, of course! :-)
@@realswobby Not when you realize how US law works it ain't. This means you could be set up for life in prison by witch hunt standards ALONE. This sounds great on paper alone, but until our policing and justice system is fixed this will do nothing but add prison fodder to our slavery system, I mean prison industrial complex.
While actual pedophiles get away scott free because Texas is still a Bible belt state and believes little girls "ask for it".
My issue with how the states handle this issue is that they are quick to jump on anime and manga for depicting possible underage girls sexually.....but sleep to protect ACTUAL GIRLS. We have r@pe kits dating back over 15 years ago that haven't been examined. We have little kids touched by uncles being sent to live with their Grandma that still allows said uncle to visit. We have grown men soliciting s*X from school girls in the middle of the street in inner cities.
I can't afford to give a damn to 2-d anime girls' rights when we have SO MUCH MORE to deal with.
As someone who lives in Germany it baffles me that this is available. I don't think you can buy that commercialy so it's probably from a black market that is stationed in Germany because it's in Central Europe
I think there's not a dark connection with manga artists per say, I think there is a media bias applied here; naturally, a famous artist getting caught with CP is more interesting to the news than a regular nobody doing the same, therefore, we tend to see in the news only the famous people doing this stuff while they might be a small share of the total P population. While this still horrible, I don't think it's restricted or even tied to the Manga industry, I think that it's only a focus thing and if you start investigating more on other kind of rich or famous people you may find similar CP numbers.
Its just a lot of people out there exist who are accessing that sort of content, the issue is only the manga artists have a name hence only and only they are being called out, while many probably go over looked.
What is CP? Checkpoint? Something else?
@@linkskywalker5417 child pron
per se
@@indra_vrtrahan it's part of the plan to make western people want to influence their morality on anime/manga industry. You can see how joey's comments is full of it.
I think it's less of a case of this behaviour being more prevalent with mangakas etc. and more just a case of people taking more notice because the perpetrator is part of the anime/manga/gamer communities, which reaffirms the stigma that liking those things makes you a worse person. Crimes like this happen every day, but people only care to take a second glance when it conveniently reaffirms their beliefs.
Its not really ground breaking rocket science that some of these dudes who draws alot of attractive teenagers for a living are actually attracted to teenagers.
I have to agree. Big name mangaka with a hit title to their name doing bad stuff and boom, everyone looks at one person and assumes the rest is the same.
@@Dazumu neither regular looking guys
Same thing with catholic priests being pedos. It's the same percentage or even lower than the general population, and way lower than teachers. But you hear about it so often you assume it to be more common.
@@thanglongnguyenvu3815 BECAUSE THEY USUALLY ARE! Japan itself in the anime and manga community is a loli-con infested place. It's literally the environment they grow up in. Like manga characters that look like children in weird situations, it's not wrong to assume that after all of this. I wouldn't be surprised if the manga artist for dragon maid got arrested for this.
Rurouni Kenshin holds a special place in my heart… I was in shock when the news about The author being involved with cp… this stained the series for me… I try to dissociate the manga from the artist… but never look at new content for the author.
Bruh, when that first came out years, everyone was pissed in the community they burned their manga, bruh I've avoided kenshin after that! The same series I held dear in my childhood...
Its fine. You are only appreciating art not the author's evil deeds 😔
@@maymay5600 wait for real? Why burn it? They could sell it off!
Same, when I was a kid I watched it a lot. Makes me questions about other things alot.
@@八ルシュ-z6v if you still continue to support their work, it's not ok. if you can't let go of something because of nostalgia, then at least make sure you never watch or pay for anything legally that is from the said creator.
Everybody waiting for Akihito Tsukushi to get charged.
tall order
As an illustrator and artist i can say that the link between cp and manga isnt new.. even in the 50's-60's it prevalent , unfortunately in japan the sexualisation of children has become the normal thing, Its in the anime and comics. Until it becomes a mainstream issue in japan like women being molested and or raped on trains and busses nothing will change.
??? If it wasnt an issue this dude wouldnt be getting arrested. But he was. It is illegal. The manga and anime content isnt gonna change because its harmless.
@@crimsama2451 he got arrested for importing the illegal goods more than having the actual content. Actually age of consent is 13 in Japan now u know
@@lisasforehead495 he broke several laws. The importation of illegal goods is indeed a more severe crime tho. Also the age of consent at a federal level in 13, but this is only effective in a couple uninhabited islands. The rest of japan has varying ages between 16-18 set depending on the area and situation.
@@lisasforehead495 Age of consent is NOT 13 in Japan. It's a federal or central level law. Just like the US and other countries, Japan has prefectures(Osaka, Yamagawa, etc), akin to States in the US like Texas, California, etc.
Now, getting to the point, MOST *prefectures* in Japan have 18+ as the age of consent. The federal level law is an outdated law nobody cares about and isn't been updated yet cuz Japanese politics is slow af.
@@samuraijosh1595 i see
Thanks for doing this video man. Regardless a crime is a crime, what the writers accomplished should not be matter.
that is true in bothe sense a good story is still a good story even if it writh by a nazie or worst
@@azopeopaz3059 nope.
Yeah I like Tiga too, up top ✋
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 nah. u can still like the story but hate the author. read mein kampf
Honestly, I think its just a numbers game. There are literally thousands of mangakas in japan, there are bound to be a few pedos mixed in there just like in any other job. The jobs that really attract pedos are those jobs that have direct contact with children, which mangakas usually do not have. You need proper statistics and not to rely on just a few random cases that get spotlighted, to see if there really are any real dark trends... and even then its hard to tell since many hide themselves. But I think we currently have a bigger issue with people who are open about it, call themselves MAPS and try to get pedophilia to become acceptable.
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It's just like the "super male" theory. (those who have xyy chromosome instead of xy) They did a study, and were like "there are a lot of people in the prison system with this" turns out, it was just the normal distribution of this syndrome, but because it was prisoners. It was proposed that those with 2 y's were more likely to end up in prison etc.
@@hepthegreat4005 Yea, they often try to skew things by making it seem more prevalent than it really is, but when you look at proper stats, it ends up at a normal distribution. And even if there is a higher rate, you cannot make snap judgements and say its because of this or that, there may be other secondary reasons that can contribute to higher numbers.
@@hepthegreat4005 I can't understand, but praise the braincells!
@@davidarvingumazon5024 basically, don't do stereotyping to the entire group just because one person of a particular group do shitty things.
I mean, in the U.S. rapists get like 2 to 3 year jail time? A few months if you're a white young guy with a rich family so...not that big difference in the west.
the fact that he admitted to purchasing cp magazines just for his own pleasure is sickening how can people defend him smh
anime is cool but the community is vastly fucked in many ways.
A turtle will destroy him
Well, at least he admitted and didn't deny it. I don't understand what you mean ?
@SimDescent uhhhh every 1 in 10 people? Nah man 💀 way over exaggerated
@SimDescent maybe you shouldn't make up random numbers and attribute them to crime rates. that seems like a generally useless or even actively harmful thing to do. if you actually cared you could look up the answer.
Thank you for speaking out about it, the fact that people defend them because they're fans of their work are just... so ignorant. Rurouni Kenshin was my favorite anime growing up and it absolutely devastated me to hear the creator was charged with having CP because honestly, I can't even look at the series in the same way any more.
As a once long time fan, I've been numb about it for a long time. I'm still sad and depressed over that situation and haven't even touched any rurouni kenshin content since what he did first came out.
Im surprised at the fact that Doujin artists arent involved in this type of shit
Look at the mangakas Joey mentioned in the video and their work. Their work seems to pretty tame, base on that i would assume that the more crazy stuff is already expression enough for doujin artists. So they don't have to make it real.
well, don't judge a book by its cover. real criminals always hide their dirty deeds with their false persona just like that killer clown or Hollywood.
(Edit: it's ok to be paranoid to your friends, neighbors or families, and clowns)
People who defend real CP need help. It makes me so sad.
i saw another video on this and saw a good handful of comments calling westerners sensitive for thinking this isnt okay. made me sick to the stomach
And people who arrogantly police art just because an artist did something bad needs help
What's cp
@@Unknownuser-vq9ul videos and images of kids being diddled
@@Unknownuser-vq9ul search it up
Experts also highlight that while the EU continued to host the most CSAM in 2021, there was a higher proportion of abuse imagery coming from the United States compared to the previous years - 21% of it was hosted in the US globally compared to 5% in 2020.
They got called out because they're famous. It's just not a Japan issue, it's global whether you like it or not.
It blows my mind that people defend that kind of stuff, there should no discussion when it comes to crimes against minors.
Your life deserved to get ruined for buying a p*rn magazine?
@@agathonchristianto9580 so you like to watch CP, is that what you want to say?
@@agathonchristianto9580 Hit me up with your address babe, need to send fbi a message
@@agathonchristianto9580 Not JUST p... magazine, REAL CP magazine. Failed to understand again?
@@agathonchristianto9580 The fact that you're trying to pass it off as a simplr p*rn magazine is sick. You're so adamant about defending this practice cuz its "just a magazine" when it literally depicts real life children doing these acts.
The only one of these incidents that I've heard of is the Kenshin author. I had no idea that this kind of situation has happened so many times
Yeah, that is one of the reasons why Kenshin loved so much those two little girls in Kaoru Kamiya's family.
@@metalslayer777 💀💀💀
if they just found manga artist with CP, now imagine how many people in possession of CP that are not manga artist are out there...
Millions. From all walks of life. All across the world. We only hear about the high-profile cases like the Weinsteins or famous manga artists.
And since no police force on earth has the kind of resources needed to go after everyone they tend to focus on cases they know they can prosecute or instances where they can locate and ave kids. This is not a fun subject to research.
What I think is that the sphere of people willing to seek out and download CP in Japanese society and the sphere of people passionate about drawing manga intersect/overlap more than normal "spheres" would. So although being a mangaka doesn't necessarily make one more likely to want to download CP, and downloading CP doesn't make one want to become a mangaka artist, the large overlap between the two groups means that one will find a lot of cases like these.
I do think that this is a case where correlation doesn't equate to causation, although how many of our favorite mangaka artists may be secretly hoarding illegal files is unknown.
"Violent video games causes violence in irl!"
Same stupid argument
@@1XcysX How does that relate to what I'm saying?
@@scasmam2792 You were talking about correlation and causation. What I mean with "violent video games causes violence in irl" argument is there is no proof that is the case. So the same logic can be used for manga artist or readers. Video game dev making games about violence doesn't cause the dev to be violent or the person to go cause violence (the person was already violent). So manga artist that draws loli or shota doesn't cause him to go download CP. Violence and pedophilia has existing since human civilization. But yeah I'm just elaborating what you said. There can be a correlation why these scumbags would be in the manga industries.
@@1XcysX Oh, that makes more sense. I couldn't tell whether you were agreeing or disagreeing with me in your first comment.
Makes sense, heavily connected to the internet where these places kinda start forming to begin with. It's so hard to tell
Yeah, this has been a pretty notable cultural issue in Japan since before I even got into anime back in the '90s in my teens.
People absolutely know it's wrong, but it doesn't carry the same stigma it does somewhere like Australia or the United States.
I mean, we do know what happened with Watsuki's case. His publisher suspended him for something like 6 months, delaying the Kenshin Hokkaido Arc, and he ended up having to pay around a $1,700 fine (that's the rough amount in USD). That was literally it.
We're finally getting to where society is going to start weeding out a lot of this, hopefully, but even the punishments in Japan right now for these acts are ridiculously light. Some things really have to change with the law and the justice system over there.
That said, some of these are just really upsetting. I have '悪即斬' literally tattooed on my chest because of my love of Kenshin from my younger years.
@@yellowcard8100 yeah, the harshness of the punishments is literally a lot less.
But, yeah, It is literally something that has neither been looked upon nor handled as harshly in Japan as it is in a lot of other countries. I'm going to assume you're seriously ignorant about this, but there's a reason Boku no Pico exists and nobody got into trouble for making it.
I'm 41, I've been into anime since I was 13, and I've lived in Japan. It is absolutely something that has quietly been a problem for a long time. Part of the reason there have been so few arrests over there is literally because it's hardly been historically seen as a crime.
this case wasn't really "cp". It was a nudist magazine from the 80s back when it was legal. With other mangaka, they have obtained the material in japan when it was legal but didn't get rid of it after it became illegal.
@@notuxnobux bud the way you're defending this is really not a good look
@@yellowcard8100 People don't talk about this with the same idea in mind. CP is way too generic of a concept. CP can be a 17-y-old girl 1 day before becoming an adult; or 10 years earlier, which is a whole different level. And you really need to differentiate those, because one of these things is culturally acceptable in some cultures and you can discuss about it, the other is unacceptable in ANY culture and there isn't even a point of discussing. So you need to be clear, what you are talking about when you talk about CP.
a good story is a good story even if writh by a nazi or worste i still love kenchin it a realy good story
It’s easy to point at one portion of the population and say “Why them?” Why manga writers? Why anime fans? Or even Why just men? But the truth is the problem can’t be boiled down to just one common denominator. There is enough people to make it possible to create multiple magazines and mail them anywhere in the world. And those people are very likely making a profit. It is a deep societal issue that I’m not qualified to speculate on.
@𝔼𝕣𝕠𝕘𝕒𝕜𝕚ℙ𝕒𝕥𝕔𝕙𝕖𝕤 Thats not true it is almost always men, not because of a narrative because it is the truth.
@𝔼𝕣𝕠𝕘𝕒𝕜𝕚ℙ𝕒𝕥𝕔𝕙𝕖𝕤 I'm not saying it never happens, it just happens significantly less. Even when men don't report it. Because a lot of women also don't report what happened to them. If literally everything was reported the ratio between crimes committed by men and women would still be so much higher on the men side.
@@shenowvlok7436 You're basing that off of nothing. Women are just as big of perpetrators whether you choose to believe it or not.
@@shenowvlok7436 I was abused by a woman. While it is more men, women do it more often then we think. One factor is that many vicims blame themselfs. You can have an orgasm, it's a bodily thing. So boys who come, have even more priblems reporting, because they reacted to it. They are deeply ashamed of it a lot of times. Much less boys report than girls.
@@danika9411 Women also get orgams when they are raped (sometimes) but they don't talk about that because people who said that she enjoyed it or other shit. And I know that men also get raped by women, I also know they barely report it but also a lot of women don't report because they also think people wont believe them.
meanwhile Watsuki gets a slap on the wrist $1500 fine and still gets a new anime made
cause he didn't touch a real girl, he kept his hands on his pockets, that made the whole difference
Joey has right.Everybody should know fucking line between reality and fantasy.I am glad that someone finally talking about this topic.
True!!! But for some reason people are to dumb to understand that. 😑
@@shonenmangatuber3852 cough cough Twitter cough cough
Try telling that to Twitter tho-
Twitter thinks fantasy is reality….no people should be smart enough to tell the difference
@@elementalalchemist0355 we live in a crazy world. I guarantee you that twittards will try to use this to ban anime and manga they just don’t like
_"Why is it always manga artists?"_
This is an unfair overview of the whole situation. Those are bad people, who simply happen to be Mangaka. That's like saying humans are bad because some of them are murderers. Are Japanese people p***philes because of a couple of scumbags who enjoy buying CP magazines? If he was your average dude, he'd simply be forgotten after the whole ordeal. But since he was a rather well-known Mangaka, of course the media would bring that up. Mangaka don't deserve that infamy.
Easy way to put it Causation does not equal correlation
No, but if you think it in terms of stadistics there is more logic to this. Take for example priests, what percentage of priests do CP in comparison to general population. Probably more than usual. Maybe the same can be said of mangaka. I don't know. But if it is more prevalent in mangaka vs the general population, it must be because the profession makes them want cp or those that want cp become mangaka. Hence, I do see some logic to what Joey says
Thank you
Its like when the otaku culture was being judged and treated badly by others due to some people commiting horrible crimes and they just happened to be otakus themselves.
@@Vivid_Sky23 Causation equal correlation in this case though . Anime and manga industry is obsessed with underage girls . Everything has a school setting and extreme sexualization . But hey I guess if it isn't real , its not problematic or whatever delusional people say .
I hope this doesn’t reflect on the career as a manga artist as a whole… I think that these crimes are committed by all sorts of people, but, like, no one’s gonna talk about the random ass accountant or grocer at the market who got caught because they’re not in the public eye. People love to take skewed information and run with it, so I hope this doesn’t turn into a generalization fest in making manga artistry out to have some sort of implication.
Just a little warning as a writer you should take the bottom part of your comment & put it at the top to avoid being misconstrued. Most people won't read far enough to get your point & will most likely think your defending them & then write their long winded hate comments
Specifically take from so onwards make that your starting line
@@Vivid_Sky23 I agree. At first I also got confused.
Isn't Japan already considered the land of pedos? Thanks to lolicon stuff.
@@Vivid_Sky23 You can just tell those people to read the whole comment before replying. That warning is more useful for Twitter though, since their whole affair is trying to ruin people's life with misinformation.
@@BeruleAdierant isn’t their crime rate much lower than most country compared to like the U.S.?
Even though you said you didn’t want to cover it because of this subject being over talked about I think you going over the subject especially with you being a popular or well known youtuber in the manga or Japanese area makes it better because you’re bringing it to light and possibly showing more people what’s really going on
As an artist, I really can not see buying cp magazines for "artistic matter" being actually legit nor an actual reason to get away with it. It just makes me very sad tbh. And about what you said on the end of the video, I HOPE it's just a very unfortunate coincidence.
Might be dumb question, but what is CP?
@@rifalya8114 look, the fact that you don't know is either language or age, don't look up, and for now I think it's for the best you don't know.
@@rifalya8114 explicit child 📸
@@rifalya8114 To put it lightly Illegal activities with/involving a minor
@@rifalya8114 CellPhone
As many others have noted, the thing that worries me the most is that compared to how you get treated if you take a drug is treated like war crimes and this is barely a slap on the wrist.
I've always thought that any monetary fine as a punishment for crimes like these are just fking insulting to the victims. Even worse that it's probably not even the victims who receive said fines.
Especially because fines, if not scaled to income/wealth, stop being a deterrent of crime for the wealthy
fines are only a punishment if you're poor. it's why the wealthy don't give a shit when they break the law, because they just get fined, pay it, and then keep doing what they were doing.
Maybe, just maybe, the reason why only manga artists (or any other big names/famous people) are outed for this type of crimes is bcus they are famous or well knowned people, and news about them will go big and get attention, and if normal people get caught doing the same thing, even if it's published in the news, no one really cares unless they are a serial killer or smtg like that
Just a not so well thought theory
As an artist, I think that being creative and imerge yourself in a story or a drawing sometimes is important and helpful
You can draw whatever you like, and of course it can bring profit, but at the end of the day, no matter how twisted and dark your works are, committing those horrible things like CP is such a horrible crime
And the mindset you can do that in the name of art sicken me even more
I'm glad that Joey covers topics like this
Germany: “Wait a minute we’re smarter than this!”
Japan: “Apparently not…”
The thing I noticed with a lot of these mangakas that have been outed for these kind of things never let their depravity influence their work. Sometimes you never can tell what the person that is like through their works, and that goes for whatever culture you're in. I'm clearly into drawings as there's no I would ever do something like that in real life cuz I have a conscience and the strong concept of reality and fiction. It is disturbing however how easily the public can just brush it aside but I suppose down there they care more about the product rather than the person behind it.
But thats very similar for anything, not just Mangaka. Look at JK Rowling for example, where her Harry Potter books were extremely separate from what views she does have. Or Butch Hartman who's Danny Phantom series said nothing about religion and yet he keeps forcing the idea that it is all about a good Christian boy fighting against sins and stuff. Sigh... There is a point in which people need to understand that a book, Manga, or even TV show can mean a lot to you, but that doesn't mean that the person who created it is always a good person who shouldn't be punished for the bad stuff they do. I still love Harry Potter and I still love Danny Phantom, that doesn't mean I agree with anything the creators do or say now.
@@angelsinthewindow That is a good statement, I believe that when creators like JK or Hartman made their works. they believed in basically the same thing they believe now. But because of the times we live in. We can know what they think. Sometimes its better you do not learn about your favorite people. Or is it better we do? I just found out about the Kenshin thing. but I do not think that his work is defined by him as a individual.
@@TP-tg8cc IDK but it kinda seemed like Joey kinda defended loll icons in the fact that there is a clear difference between reality and fiction. but I could have misheard him. I personally believe there is a clear distinct difference. Though of course other can say otherwise.
@@modell1084 yes there is clear difference between 2D and 3D... Real life children won't behave as good as 2D drawing... And that is a good deterrent for those who like 2D to not jump dimension into 3D...
@@modell1084 I am a artist myself, I draw and do so much stuff for different things. There was a twitch streamer called ikasperr who I did a lot of artwork for, even created a girl we called Waifu as the channel mascot. A couple years ago, it was found out he had been sexually harassing people and is now no longer a creator but it saddens me that my artwork of Waifu is now associated with him instead of what she represented for the community. The community he had was amazing, very open and caring, I found a couple online friends through his chats. Waifu represented the whole community to me, not just the person at the center.
Because of what happen to me and my artwork, I never wanted something Precious to a full community be tainted by someone even if that someone is the creator of it. The same goes for the toxic fandoms as well, I don't want something amazing to be tainted by others actions.
I love how he completely ignores that these came from Germany and doesn't question how that garbage is being sold over there and is readily available to buy just like that....
damn it, unlike the other guys, I actually liked this series. well, at least the anime. i wasnt really reading the manga, but it was still ongoing, so its a shame that it had to end this way.
@Ethan S if you don't care you don't need to respond.
@@justajobro1266 he has replied to a lot of comments like this
Same, it's trully a shame to see this shit happening more often than it should. Tragic.
Samurai X was my childhood, I also feel disappointed.
@@kakuzoakutagawa8993 the only tragic thing is the amouth of bitches you ain't getting
I've been struggling with doing, "death of the artist" after finding out that certain creators or voice actors of content that I enjoyed committed really unsavory crimes. I mean it in that, I struggle to separate the product from the creator/actor after knowing what they've done, even if the product has nothing to do with the crime. I honestly didn't know about the Rurouni Kenshin guy until this video and now I have to add it to my list of stuff I will struggle to appreciate. It's really sad but we cannot turn a blind eye to the crime just because we like their content
Please make that content! We need to start discussing these things. I did not know about the Kenshin manga-ka either and I'm looking at my collection on a whole other level and I feel very uncomfortable. It's time we start talking about this for sure
I can only really apply death of the artist for actually dead people, the chance that said author might in any way profit from me engaging with the media skeeves me out too much
separating an art from the artist is actually a good mental capacity to have. i mean, picasso is an asshole, da vinci probably violates his assistant, van gogh is deranged, hitler paints, miura puts so much hiatus that he died before finishing berserk.
you didn't ignore the crime of the artist, you ignore the artist entirely, it's like using nestle's stuff. -knowing their CEO don't consider clean drinking water is a human rights
@@alvinreinaldy5148 ah yes the cruelest crime, hiatus.
The very fact that our entire society runs on and is run by people who are just as bad or worse means to stop partaking in any voluntary activity that might have or potentially could support such things would mean we all have to stop doing anything that allows us to enjoy life.
Statistically speaking there is no video game, tv show, book that would not in some way support someone who has raped, murdered, manipulated, ect.
The very act of buying anything from essentially any company means you are indirectly support the abuse and manipulation of the poverty class of some country. Because even the best countries still buy and use goods that are made by underpaid and overworked humans that are more of a resource than a person.
For me its at the point where I have totally separated personal responsibilities from societal ones. There are some things its society's' job to fix and though I have a personal responsibility to support, vote for, proactively advocate for those societal changes.
It is not ultimately my responsibility as an individual to take it upon myself to harm my well being in the pursuit of such goals if society does not see fit to support them.
Because at the end of the day the only reason societal level morality exists is because there are things that are morally correct for society to do because when it does it maximizes everyone's happiness and well-being.
On and individual level though if society refuses to do it then doing it personally can only increase your happiness if you emotionally driven to do it in the first place. Such as not being able to live with yourself otherwise.
First time hearing about the dude who made Toriko (literally one of my favorite series) I am now even more upset than I was, but it's good to be informed about these things ☹
The thing with Shimabu allegations is that the women were 16 at the time, and from what I heard the website he solicited service was for people over 18, so the women lied about their age. And he was arrested, because prostitution is illegal in Japan. The age of consent in Japan, at the time was 14, so Japan doesn’t consider it pedophilia, compared to USA.
@@shulkash8799 I know that it is an old comment, but usually, people do not work for such websites at their own will. It is possible that it is not the girls who lied about their age, but the employer
@@shulkash8799on god, Shimabu is not on the same level as the dude that ordered CP from Germany or whatever
Anyone can be a monster. I'm still pissed at Ian Watkins for ruining Lostprophets by doing far worse than than importing CP. I wonder of that ever reached Japanese news outlets.
Just like Kakushi Gotou from Kakushigoto said when he was scared his daughter would be assaulted by a weirdo at the party for the magazine: "in the end, all manga artists are just lolicons!". Sometimes it's so scary to think that a manga you like might have been writen by a creep...
Most modern technology is based on some atrocities.
If you think about it, we learned a lot about human bodies, because Da Vinci dug up corpses and cut them into pieces. And let's not forget all the medical progress being made by german and japanese scientists experimenting on living human beings. Most technology was invented for the military. From bronze swords to nuclear weapons and the internet...
There is a simple answer to all of this, and I'm sure that someone has already brought it up. This is NOT a problem with Manga artists. This in an issue with humanity. Grab 1000 random people in any given field, and I'd almost assure you that 1 of them is a problem in the same way. Now take that hypothesis and apply that to the thousands of manga writers that exist in japan (I don't know the exact number, but I hear lots of japanese artists go into the manga industry), and there are bound to be a few people in there of this nature. The good thing though is that Japan still is punishing them for this sort of behavior, so clearly it's not acceptable over there, and they are making an active decision to do it anyways. Unfortunately that's just human nature, but it has nothing to do with being a manga artist.
@GrassCannibals Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Try to keep up man.
I agree honestly, there's so many groomers on for example TH-cam, it's really not a mangaka problem