Isiah Thomas reacts to Michael Jordan 'hating' the 'Bad Boy' Pistons to this day | First Take
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- Isiah Thomas joins Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman on First Take to respond to Michael Jordan’s comments about the Detroit Pistons walking off of the court without shaking hands following the 1991 NBA Eastern Conference finals.
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ESPN so messy lol they Immediately brought Isaiah Thomas on the show lol
Tyree Brown lmfaoooo fr 😂
Tyree Brown lol
*isiah. Just so young kids don’t get it confused with the dude that used to play with the Celtics
Media now a days
Only to prevent any back clash to Isaiah Thomas because he is apart of their media
Isiah looks like a member of the Jackson 5
😂😂😂😂😂
Yes he does
Jermaine
I thought that was Jermaine Jackson!!!
Terry Berry 😭😭😭😭
Kids watching The Last Dance trying to figure out teams having the same players 2 years in a row
Man you stroke gold right here!
Lol true. Blame the media for trying to get everyone to go to NY or LA.
After this year they going to try to push Ghannis to NY or LA if they aren't already
It’s either make your own moves, or you absolutely are going to get traded. Just ask DeMar Derozan, DeMarcus Cousins, Paul Pierce, Diangelo Russell, Zach Lavine, IT, List goes on. They traded Harrison Barnes while he was in the middle of a game, so if the players wanna make they own moves for once, so be it.
@@MikeBNumba6 Naw.... Giannis ain't leaving here anytime soon
Je Lg *cue Dwayne Wade puzzled meme”
Isiah Thomas: 🙂
Steph and Max: 🗿🗿
【LoPo Bunny】 😂😂💯
lmao
Pause at 1:02
And then Molly said: 👁👄👁
😂😂😂
This beef is gonna last forever lol
@ssimpson11234 lolz
ssimpson11234 50 and Ja
Beef? Smh
Yup.. unless Isiah ask for forgiveness..
ssimpson11234 Yep!!! It’s deeper than Basketball
This beef is never going to die, like 50 Cent and the Ja Rule beef 🤦♂️
Beef like a corned beef you say
@J M stop it, prime Pistons vs prime Bulls would've ended with the Bulls winning every time
J M 6 ??? Lol well if det beat him 6 the he beat them 8 and btw he brought the brooms
They need to play one on one and get it over with 23 and 11
forgot about 50 and jarule
Surprising Isiah never got into politics. I think he missed his calling.
He need to be hired by all pro sports organizations as a media response consultant.
The way he answered these questions was brilliant.
I really liked his politeness ans calmness in answering.that's what is really needed these days.
It's not too late, he's young
Isaiah is right. I know you worship Jordan and think he is God, but believe it or not, Jordan is human and makes mistakes. He did in fact say the Pistons aren't worthy champions after game three. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF HE HAD SAID THAT ABOUT YOURRRRRR TEAM AND YOUUUUU??? YOU ARE CHAMPIONS AND YOU HAVE SOMEONE HERE WHO HADN'T WON A TITLE AT THAT TIME BASICALLY TRASH YOUR TEAM AND THE CITY YOU REPRESENT??? I love Micheal Jordan but he should have given a little respect to the Pistons and maybe he would have received some respect back. respect is a two-wat street CARPET!!!!!!!!!!! Understand???
UAnonymous I totally agree. Even though I’m a Jordan fan, I hate how some people just blindly support Jordan. I also think it was terrible that Isiah was left off of the dream team. He didn’t deserve that.
2 decades later and we still talking about this like it happened yesterday.
Ricky Martinez you mean 3 decades later
Yeah man and it is pathetic..
No... they talk about MJ saying he STILL hates them.
You have to pay attention to key words. When he says ”still” he is referring to these days, not two decades ago.
3 decades.
3 decades, but yeah thats because the documentary with Bulls vs bad boy Pistons happend pretty much yesterday... so obviously with no NBA right now the biggest relevance to NBA these days are the Last dance documentaries
This beef has an expiration date of ♾. It will never go bad 😂
Big facts😂
up next : 50 cent vs. Ja Rule
Legit
Dumars shook everyone's hand after that series and MJ admires that man...
Even said Dumars is his most difficult matchup.
That's cause Joey D was a class act!
Hirsi Farah oh yeah he was such a class act... not at all he was just like isiah love them both but we’re not class acts on the floor
Isaiah said the Jordan had started inviting dumars to hang out in the off season, and dumars stopped being as physical with Jordan....Remember dumars named his son Jordan
D' boy 313'doh why u hating though.
Isaiah may be remorseful. . .
But Bill Laimbeer is keeping that same energy! 😂
Jamal Amiri Hamed facts 😂
In his trailer off 8 mile rd 😂
@@steventate84 lives in Vegas and has made millions , and still is a championship winning WNBA coach.doing well for himself.
Bill was the dirtiest player ever
No wonder even the legend Larry Bird wanna murder the guy
30 years later and the pistons are still in Jordan’s head
Hunter Wolff rent free
Hunter, and 30 years later Jordan is still in the pistons head.
30+ years, 2 billion in the bank, a beautiful wife, 6 Champion ships and an NBA Hall of Fame and he’s still angry
@@dominicthelordkabinga, but so are the pistons. They're angry too. Face facts, Bill laimbeer and Isaiah Thomas hates MJ guts. 💯
Jordan keeps bringing it up we mind fucked jordan
They will never like each other. Life
William Boston it was competitive hate, not personal hate. They both said they respect each other and have gotten along as teammates and associates throughout the years. It’s the media that creates these illusions.
@@Sean_78 Zeke and MJ definitely have a respectable relationship off of the court. KG mentioned on Knuckleheads podcast that in 1995 when he was deciding on whether to enter the draft, MJ invited him to an open run in downtown Chicago where there were a lotta players, former and present (including Isiah), who where playing with MJ to help him get back in shape for his return (also as the coach of the Eastern Conference All-Stars in 2002 Zeke campaigned heavily for Vince Carter to allow MJ to start in his place for the East).
MJ thanked Isaiah in his hall of fame speech so it’s not that deep
@@baked_ape887 Right & Isaiah as All Star Head coach even let MJ Have plenty playtime & shine in the 2003 All Star game
@@2KILLAVILLE Isaiah seems really gentle and likeable in these interviews. If not for the videos, it's hard to imagine him being part of the badboy pistons to be honest. Overall, I think he is still a respectable figure with a regrettable mistake of displaying poor sportsmanship particularly on that occasion but that shouldn't automatically disqualify the other good work he has achieved.
Isaiah like a lawyer wears ya down to where ya can't remember the question.
Lmao, too accurate. He's such a weasel.
Lmao facts
@@agachill5000 facts
Only a criminal would know that lol
💯💯💯😂😂😂
Isiah speaks for close to 7 mins and never apologizes or gives a straight answer. He would be a fantastic Politician
Danny M and with that phony bleach toothed smile.
What do he need to apologize for? It's competition. I wouldn't care if a team I beat apologize for getting beat. Everyone take things differently
Bruce Wayne he smiles because he knows what it’s like to beat the man.. that was the only way to take him out, so of course they did it. And they can look at those back to back rings, and say “yeah we beat the Celtics the bulls the lakers best teams to get those”. No Boys Allowed. And it gave the motivation that MJ needed to get them, and eventually dominate
Apologize for what lol man ppl so soft nowadays smh
¿And why he would apologize in the first place?
I feel like if Isiah Thomas and the Pistons could do it all over again they would do the same exact thing in 2020 🤷🏾♂️
Point Guard Focused 💯💪🏾
Point Guard Focused BAD BOYS
And I don't blame them
Not with todays rules
they all woulda fouled out in the first half. plus they would average about 4 to 5 flagrant fouls a game. they wouldn't be able to win like that with today rules.
Max always has the clueless look when he’s waiting to speak
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lmao
@Kafala he only uses that Jew thing when it's convenient or benefits him. Want to see a real clueless face?? Ask him when the last time he went to Temple. Bet anything, he never goes.
@Kafala Oh No he is a good guy.
He’s trying to remember what he about to say lol
“It hurt that he passed judgement.” It hurt every time y’all hit sticked when he got in the paint 😂
🤣😂🤣😂
D A did you see bill laimbeer basically headlock Jordan tryna box out no call or anything dude would’ve been suspended a few games in today’s league. But that’s crazy im shocked as “slim” as Jordan was he didn’t get hurt and they crossed the line a lot of times the “Jordan rules” were good for the nba tbh
To me that says more aboit the refs and the NBA at the time rather than the team. If it was legal and the refs didn’t call things then that’s the NBAs fault . Jordan shouldn’t still be so bitter it’s been 30 years and he had his success after on and off the court .
@@nickjones5495 not only jordan but pippen as well. Once i saw a clip where pippen is gettin dragged by the ref off the court like a soldier got shot in the battlefield. I believe that was due to Laimbeer's infamous elbow drop while goin for the rebound. My favorite part is when pippen get whacked by rodman and laimbeer, pippen and the bulls didnt react and confronted the pistons. Like what MJ said, quit whining and show them that we're tougher and they're not getting in our head anymore. That play was an automatic brawl to other teams for sure.
😭😭😭
This interview only adds fuel to the fire
@chad porter it's their documentary that they produced... So why can't they?
this is whatbyou called puttin woods on fire.. the more talk the mlre th hype the more money flowin
Fire? 😂😂
Zeke dont go soft now. Better to say: "we were the bad boys, that was how to cement one of the toughest nba rivalries for future generations to enjoy"
@bojo perez because he is known for running his mouth stating false claims. Just ask Larry Bird
Jordan is the player i dislike the most
@@timothyslaughterjr5885 f**k are you talking about???
Jordan was giving The Pistons a compliment. He’s saying you guys got under his skin so well that even to this day it gives him nightmares. That’s a compliment.
Joe Rice that’s how I took it.
even when interviewed back then, he always say that "they were the better team/they played better".
Michael Jordan is fascinating to me. I’d like to know what gave him his drive in sports.
Joe Rice pure pettiness and he made himself believe everyone hated him and was out to get him lol
That’s a testament of how great the Pistons were....smh 25 years later.
Rivalry still exist, you can hear it from both of them... love it
Yes, both teams will always hate each other.
Exactly how many different answers can 1 man give to one questions
How long before mj let it go..I.T has already spoken about this a while ago..Let it go Mj
Teresa Thomas Mj doesn’t have to like him. As long as he respects him there’s no problem.
It was 2 different questions. He answered the 2nd question in 2 ways.
@@Alderak1 He didn't even really do that - he stayed consistent. He answered that if he had a do-over, he may likely not do it again. But he also justifies his actions by saying that the Bulls had talked bad about them personally for ages hence they walked off.
Teresa Thomas I hope he doesn’t let it go. I mean it’s been 30 years so I doubt he ever will. That’s a real rivalry man
Stephen A Smith look like a school Principal who’s listening to the students excuses of bad behavior
🤣🤣
Literally Laughed Out Loud when I read your comment and then looked up to see Stephen A's face Hahahah
Exactly !!
@@briant2979 SAME LMAO
Zany
The bad boy pistons those dudes where serious cats. I remember watching those series back in the day they punished the bulls for years. And i am a bulls fan lol.
D 757 804 me too Bulls fan, but much respect to all the teams in that era who fought to their championships including the Bad Boys
Suns owned the Bulls in the 93 finals bulls just got lucky with the paxson miracle heave three.
@@danshazam8511 are you thunder Dan???
man i love the pistons, there was nothin like them before them and they’ll never be anything like them again... that’s enough to respect them despite any criticism
If they played today at least 3 players would be suspended in the first quarter. They were very dirty players!!!!!!
Thomas never gets old!
You need some glasses
I loved MJ's honesty
That's Jordan getting some payback for picking lebron over Jordan petty
Me too
royal mcmorris I agree
Facts KD leads warriors Timmy d spurs will eat MJ alive 💯👌🏿
@@blkthedonxexodus9383 come on mannnnnn!!!
That’s one articulate individual who has his thoughts gathered well. Needs to be on tv more.
Just talking about 90’s NBA is more exciting than watching today’s NBA.
Freakin nailed it.
Subjective. I always prefered the Warriors-Cavaliers rivalry from 2015-2018.
James Walker if KD hadn’t joined it would’ve been a lot more entertaining but he ruined it
OK Boomer.
James Walker what rivalry ?? 🤣😂
Y’all tried to kill the man 🤦♂️
ESPN called Isiah right after the episode like "LETS GET HIM ON THE SHOW ASAP!" !! LMAO
And attention seeking Thomas comes running when called....
@@bluestar9463 more like a bag bro. They be paying these athlete hella money for controversial topics
The documentary conveniently left off Jordan popping off to the media about the Pistons during the 91 series. I'm not saying it justifies the Pistons walking off early, but, it had to be considered.
F the bad boys Jordan all the way
@@Porkchoppyu all day
gotta remember though that Jordan might've very well had the same opinion of them the previous two years but still would not compromize congratulating them after losing some tough series... if you are the two-time champions you gotta have a bit more of self-esteem to let a comment like that hinder you from congratulating a team that swept you like that... In the bigger picture, it'll always be them bad boys who looks bad, lacking class, from the event... they were simply sore losers... they didn't play with respect, they couldn't lose with respect..
@@stefandjurachkovitch8624 bro I only did that bc the one guy did it
@@stefandjurachkovitch8624 no need to pop off on me like that my guy
“Some beef is everlasting” Nas. One mic
🔥
Then Nas made a song with Jay Z , Black Republican lol, but that bar is true
MJ thanked Isaiah in his hall of fame speech it ain’t that deep
RealMsantiago RMS complete with thick scars!
In the reeeeaaaallll!!!! 😂😂😂
Kellerman looks like an 8th grader that drives to school
It's evan baxters younger brother 😂
And ur picture looks like. d
Facts
Lol
Lmao yeooo 😂😂
I respect MJ Scottie and Phil for bringing on Rodman because, he was pushing around and beating up that 89 and 90 Bulls ream, and than he went to working out with them and playing for them really shows on both sides, that to truly win it all sometimes you gotta work with ppl you hate
They brought him on to win. Jordan and Scotties feeling were still hurt. They wouldn't speak to the man.
Isaiah Thomas looks like he sings for Motown... 😂😂😂😂
Ironic cuz he over here singing the "tracks of his tears" 😂😂
Facts!!...he's Jermaine Jackson with a jumpshot😅🤣✌
That's just your imagination running away with you
@@racentour5172 lmaooooo
lmaooo
Isiah: Whoa, GOAT guy. This ain’t personal.
MJ: It kinda feels personal.
Narrator: It was.
Panasony MicroOled captain America swag
Eh i think those piston player want put MJ out injury forever, obviously take this personal rightt?
@@GODLOVEME-uj3vb
Absolutely.
1985 All-Star Game: Am I a Joke To You?
Still pissed about being left off the dream team.
I would be to, especially if everyone knew I deserved to be there
Christian Laettner was clearly better LMAO. Why in God's name was Christian Laettner on that team? I know the rationale but it still makes no sense to me
@@trocknorat should've been Shaq but I understand why they chose Laettner.
As he should be.
Well, the no handshake walkout certainly didn’t help .
That rivalry is top 2 in NBA history to me
Warriors and Cavs could have been something but KD had to ruin it
@@SmoovyNovaFan they would probably have only faced each other twice.
Rico Sebastiani no KD arrival was perfect.
@@DanteGoldz it was perfect for the Warriors fans because he gave them 2 rings, however the rest of the league hated Kevin Durant.
Facts 💯
Pistons owning Real estate on Jordan head after 30 years 💀💀💀
Jordan and Zeke are still keeping that same energy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂
I thought Cleveland vs GSW had the potential to be the next great rivalry, but the arrival of KD fucked that up.
Jefrie Fulton II Yeah KD did kind of ruin the league there for a while didn’t he?
I thought the Clippers vs Golden State was gonna be a rivalry like that.
Jefrie Fulton II Ikr. Kd is too good. So unfair.
Yeah as soon as they announced KD was going to Golden State I knew it was over for a while
John Salley shook everyone’s hand too. MJ respected that. Him and Dumars are the only ones.
Isiah Talks:
Everyone in the building: 🗿🗿🗿
Lol you got me, dude. I was like that when he was talking.
Lmfao i feel attacked
On God 😂. No one wants to be THAT guy to interrupt IT
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!! SO TRUE!!! Even I had that reaction, like "yeah sure, whatever you say Isiah......"
🤣🤣🤣 this is the funniest comment
3:30 “I’ll speak for Isiah Thomas”
- Isiah Thomas
Lmaooooooo
Funny how in the 3 consecutive years prior, every time the Pistons beat the Bulls, MJ made sure to shake every Pistons hand, it was even replayed in the doc. Then Mike said, "no matter how bad it hurts, you shake hands because that's sportsmanship and its about respect". That's the crux of the issue with MJ. I respected you in defeat, you didn't respect me in your defeat. So for MJ to shake Zeke hand 3 straight years when he was getting smacked, and the one time MJ wins, Zeke does not return the same respect, I totally get where MJ is coming from...Zeke is a brat who can dish it, but can't take it. There's a word for cats like that where I'm from...it starts with "p" it ends with "y" and is another word for cat.
Everyone has things in the past they wish they could take back just say it. The excuses seem Mbitchy the M is silent.
The issue is that the Pistons were respectful in victory when the Bulls were not. The comments that Jordan and the Bulls made about the Pistons prior to game 4 are out there for everyone to read. They were disrespectful in ascending to the thrown, and those comments obviously struck the Pistons in the wrong way. If you aren't going to show respect in victory, then why should the other team show respect in defeat? There is no walk off if Jordan and the Bulls don't make the comments they made.
Mj was not a champion, the Celtics walked off and shook no hands, yet no one speaks on that I wonder why
@@KZ3fps The Pistons talked about them as well. Its called trash talk. That is what they do. You leave on the court. If that be the case then the Pistons should of let them know where they stand and never should of shook hands even when they beat the bulls.
@@KZ3fps the pistons were known to play dirty and they tried to physically hurt players. Jordan had a point and ya I don't blame them for walking off either
When you got something called "The Jordan Rules" then yeah, it would be hard to NOT take it personally. I grew up in Michigan going to these games and I loved this Piston's team, but man there were times when I was like..come on guys. Especially when they walked off the court and didn't shake hands. Not personal? Come on Zeek!
Did you listen to him. You must not about team and hard work. You don't respect nobody who disrespects your teams hard work.
Yes, I also think it was personal. In the 30 for 30 documentary, it was said that Zeke had issues with Jordan taking over his town (Chicago). But Zeke has us, we'll always love Zeke here in Detroit, I'm not saying that he orchestrated the snubbing of the eventual champions, but he did participate.
David Webster You sound like a big ol sissy. MJ was the man back then running through teams like it was nobody’s business. Ppl are competitive and I would have done the same if an elite player kept penetrating the paint and scoring on my team. This is a man game and dudes is rough riders. Who cares if they didn’t shake hands, it’s in the past, grow some nuts.
The Pistons were not a worthy champions in the sense that they played dirty and they could have ended somebody's career which is definitely not a good thing.
@@arnelmacabasag4711 they were worthy in sense that they were basketball dynasty, they were amazingly good for that era dirty or not dirty, dirty can only take you so long
1990 game 7 shows you that it takes a lot more than "talent" or being "the best team" to win it all. That game 7 loss changed the NBA forever and not just for the Bulls. It normalized extensive offseason training. The Bulls managed to win 6 because they were substantially tougher than everyone else. Sports becomes a mental game when you reach championship rounds. The bulls as a team were "soft" and "floppers" in the eyes of the Pistons and many other teams during that era and they had to learn to not complain or show any signs of weakness. The best team does NOT always win in a series where the games go into crunch time, the teams that execute best in the clutch do. Theres a reason why so many other superteams with loaded rosters have not been able to repeat(Spurs) let alone three peat. A lot of these teams simply put fizzle out mentally and physically after a certain amount of time.
In the 90’s we all had that youth football coach that used to touch you and the others players private parts when you score a touchdown... and that is normal when you playing pee wee football ... My coach used to touch me and all my teammates ... they said it was making us more strong,tough, and turning us into men..and I agree with that... I wouldn’t be who I am today if I had not played pee wee football...I used to score a lot of touchdowns back then and some say I was the I was the star player and the coach really kept an eye on me and loved on me. 90’s was a whole different era and I miss it ..rns
@@skeeterwiz wat
DannyLlerenaTV fair point
Totally agree it gets mental at a certain point, when the body can no longer withstand the stress and fatigue, that's when champions are MADE!!!!!
Bali tf you on?
Isiah makes some really good points even though I was a Bulls fan at that time growing up. And I think it’s just awesome people are still talking about this today.
Isiah Thomas the only player to beat Larry, Magic and MJ. Respect to the hof.... easily top 5 pg of all time
All-time? Lol naw
Yall must be his fans
????😂😂😂
Top 5? He the second greatest my guy
Yesssiiirr 💪🏾
Isiah beat MJ, Bird and Magic in the SAME YEAR (1989) ! Respect a legend
The team beat them not just him
Who has the 6 titles though?
@@plugcap2604 the team beat them. But whenever I hear about Jordan, Kobe, or Lebron it's that the individual beat them, not a team
Best PG ever!
Facts he beat all of dem and has betta record head to head against dem
Everyone claims to love the physicality of the 90s, but when you hear how they talk about the pistons in relation to how they played jordan, you find out how they really feel!
Physicality and what the Bad Boys were are two different things. Lol. Ewing, Oakley, Mason, Xavier and the Knicks were physical. McHale and Parish were physical. Barkley and Malone were physical. The Bad Boys were purposely dirty and bush-league.. They got 2 chips so salute. But their style didn't represent the physical style ppl say they loved.
Everyone played physical back then. Detroit played dirty. Big difference. It's one thing to get hit, bumped and even pushed around. It's another to be wrestled and slammed to the ground and potentially injured intentionally. Bill Laimbeer. He has more ufc highlights than actual basketball plays. F**K him to this day. lol
@@francisbawasanta6310 😂😂 Big facts.. You can tell who watched the games and watches TH-cam highlights.
@@jamtv3258 the pistons are the poster boys for representing the physicality of the 90s, i dont think youd deny that. Given the fact that they often engaged in dirty play, why are they constantly given kudos and praise for beating MJ when he lacked help? This team is put on a pedastal for being a mighty dynasty that beat Jordan 3 out of 4 times on one hand, and then trashed for being reliant on dirty play to win on the other hand.
Why no one blame the ref or nba itself? They allowed the hard way isnt it?
The bad boy is like we don't like him either jordan rules for life 😁😁
It seems youre forgetting why he acted like that. Jordan Rules right? ✌️
Jordan is singled out but if you watch those championship games between the Celtics and Lakers and Pistons you'll see that everyone played like that. Pistons just did it better and the Bulls had to go through them. Jordans the greatest of all time. He's also Petty.
So implementing a strategy to stop you when you've proven unstoppable for years is deserving of discrediting and degrading the champions (who beat LAKE SHOW and BOSTON at their BEST not on a decline) you work so hard to beat?? Get off MJ nuts. Dude salty AF at the Bad Boys and for nothin. If it wasn't for them, he wouldn't have the source of motivation to become who he became... Or maybe he really not. He apart of the media machine like everybody in entertainment.
@@jarrodmason4964 Yup. Beat Celts (I am a Celtics fan) at their best as well as Lakers at their best. Didn't they sweep the Lakers ? Bad Boys were GOOD.
They played dirty that is a FACT. MJ and Kobe didn't stoop to them levels, they played with real tallent
@@sambo401s5 they didnt have to because by the time they were good enough to beat the pistons, isiah had 1 working wrist and lambieer was washed
Could you imagine how the media would get on Michael Jordan in the 90s if he said "That 1990 ECF loss against the Pistons doesn't count, Scottie Pippen had a migraine!"
Lol true
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Bruh !!!!!
Could you imagine MJ going to another players team who already won a championship former finals MVP!!! Brought another all star as well.
Could you imagine after bragging about how you going to win 6 7 rings and then go lose Dirk and a bunch of role players.
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@@coolreg6395 Nobody even brought who you're referring to up. MJ fans have a strange paranoia it seems.😂
Ps. I haven't told you my favorite player, so dont bother giving me his backstory, since you don't know lol
Isiah: "It wasn't personal." Pistons: "We had Jordan rules."
Xavier Thomas Your comment literally meant nothing..
That’s funny
Not personal? So why not shook the hands of the winners? Scoffing*
@@vonchriscordova4789 you need to watch the video again
Lol, the Jordan rules were not properly explained on the documentary. Jordan rules were “He drives, kill him”
You see the passion for the game of those times when they take it personally after 20 years!
after all the blows n hits MJ got, after every loss, he still shook pistons hands n said they were the better team.
Yea but in 1991 game 3 he called the pistons players thugs and disrespected them
Exactly...but Isiah hurt and disappointed by what he said after game 3?????? GTFOH
Joe They were thugs, what? The dirtiest teams in history, who would defend them?
@As a White Man
Everyone played physically back then and gave hard fouls. The real problem with the Pistons was that they embraced the Bad Boy image, which the league thought was bad for marketing. David Stern *hated* that nickname and how the media ran with it.
Isaiah doesn’t even know how to defend their walkout. He and the pistons should’ve shown the bulls more respect and they didn’t! Bulls shook their hands no matter what when they lost that game 7. GTFO
Jordan still don’t fw Isiah 💀😭
I mean why would he, zeke wrecked him in the playoffs 3 years in a row
marquanmr jordan is the better player
Alyjah Jones jordan was better
marquanmr yeah but Jordan ended Isiah’s career. Check out his accomplishments after that series. He was done
Zeeek would beat the living shyt out of MIke and MJ knows it. Chi town Zeek and never shy away from throwing the hands Jordan look weak Af trying to fight Reggie and Danny ainge LOL Zeek would dawg that dude
When you go to injure the opponent in the paint it isn't just in the 4 lines, it is personal and it affects your whole life. So of course he has every right to hate them, and personally I think anyone would do the same
Dennis Mouzakis My thinking too. They physically hurt people. And basically i don’t believe they deserved it, why didn’t they play straight up. And see who wins not Bully to win
Fumani N Shilubana u seem mad that Jordan couldn’t beat this team
Funny how Jordan is the only one mad about the way basketball was play back then. Literally, no one esle from that era is bitching!!!
King Zae couldnt beat? Well MJ sweep them and made them irrelevant ever since.
@@ealicer81 pistons were relevant again in 04
Isiah was voted by active NBA coaches to be in the top 50 NBA players ever. He, of course, is a HOF player. I don't think Isiah worries too much about what Michael Jordan thinks or says. 30 years people are still sore about this great rivalry? Why? It was glorious.
If you don’t think he cares what Jordan thinks of him you haven’t been watching them people talking to him. He obviously cares very much
@@mycatsaliberal3848yes it’s clear he does - they were friends in Michaels early Chicago days
Oh he cares. He cares too much and that is why he is always talking about MJ. When asked why doesn't he just say, "I don't want to go into it about Michael Jordan. So I'll just say this..."
And he could just keep it moving but it's like he can't wait to answer and go deep into MJ. That's why people ask him about MJ cuz they know he is itching to get into in about Mike.
IT always look and sound like he telling half the truth lol
DeeRellWill Isiah was the most unlikable player in the league during that era. Between the way he and the Pistons behaved after getting swept by the Bulls and then his comments about Magic Johnson.
Shes speak the truth
Idk bout most unlikeable man. Bill laimbeer was a true dickhead lol
Thats why people think he's on the DL.....
@@ProfinityGaming Bill Laimbeer one of the greatest centers of all time could you imagine if this Beast play for Boston he'll be a f****** hero
Isaiah puts it so beautifully. The key word Judgment.
I love the rivalry and I’m always gon roll wit my boys from Detroit. But y’all almost 60 😭😭😭, give it up
Detroit 💯
AGREED
Had bill played against Wilt he would be sleeping 😴 by now or against the sky hook or Wes U better yet Charles Barkley
I'm with dem bad boys, too! People that complain about how soft the nba is now and like jordan dont know that Jordan was the catalyst to change the league writing letters and all! He was also the first benefactor of the softening of the league.
Detroit ✊🏾
Every Piston foul today would’ve been a flagrant 2 today.
Cause now the game is soft that's why it's not as good.
Or an ejection lolol
@@demetriusrivers5203 And suspension. The fuckers went in harder than Karl Malone's elbows.
We were good, thats why we won. Twice
Cuz the league is as Soft as Charmin, where a bench player can score 60 on any given night 🤔🤮🤮🤮
Detroit just living up to the name. “Bad boy pistons” walk off no congrats and no tap on the back. Basketball at its finest!
Michael Liu word!!! I love it.
Larry bird did it first lmao
Austin lane 2740 Yeah what Larry Bird said? He Told Magic there’s a new sheriff in town.
Basketball has nothing to do with disrespect, in fact, any sport has
lowly behaviour, tactless, although everyone is entitled to their standard no matter how low it may be.
Max Kellerman has "angry resting face" 😶
so?
I know this docu is more about the Bulls as a whole but after watching episode 4 and Chicago only just won 1 championship you can already tell the MJ is already the GOAT by that time. When MJ said that championship is a better benchmark for greatness than personal accolades that is when MJ had to contain himself for the team. We all know athletic he was, how good of a scorer and defender he is but he needed to adjust himself to a better system that will win them championship.
Would MJ still say that same thing if Bulls didnt have Scottie and coach PJ and he won scoring titles for 10 straight years but no championship ?
@@tommyjiro3127 Man, I don't know, your question is on different timeline but if that happens people wouldn't care on anything that he says coz he got no championship.
KD 4x scoring title, 2x champ vs. LBJ 1x scoring title, 3x champ. Who is better?
@@tommyjiro3127 You don't get it Jordan went 32 8 8 in 89. He could have told Phil to F off when he wanted Jordan to move back to the SG so Pippen could become the Point Forward. He could have hindered Pippen progress ..... BUT HE DIDN'T because for him Championships ie winning meant more to him than stats. Your job as leader is to empower your staff and give them responsibilities EVEN if you are better at it so THEY CAN GET BETTER SO TOGETHER YOU CAN BE GREATER.
So jordan went on to recruit former MVP final to help them win ? Leaving the fact that bulls almost went to the final when jordan retired to go play baseball says it all , they had an amazing team without jordan
Btw I reached last episode and u can tell the bulls were strong team without Jordan and if this documentary made anything to me , that mj is not the goat period , ya he was the most hard working he pushed his team but the fact that they brought the best guy in Europe and brought a former MVP and had pippen who quitted on his team in the ECF when Jordan left , says it all
The only thing I disagree with Isaiah on is that they played hard against Philadelphia, Boston and Los Angeles. They played hard against every single team in the league no matter what. And that is why they were dubbed the bad boys of the league
Those were the top teams at the time
@@lukesmith9692 Like I said, they played hard against top teams bottom teams. Every team. That's why they were the bad boys.
Dennis said the team was intentionally trying to hurt Jordan. What about that Isiah? I like Isiah but come on..
Reggae Lover facts
Reggae Lover stfu
I guess the bulls wasn’t tough enough like the Celtics/Lakers period
@@joelvance4969 Well they eventually did beat them just like the Pistons eventually beat the Celtics...
@@nikolove5796 LOL.... Well that's what he said.
ugh is this espn or reality tv 🙄🤦🏾♂️
Both
Here I was thinking reality tv popped off in the early 2000s... nope! Who knew the 98 Bulls were a running reality show 🤷🏾♂️
Sports is reality TV bruh
This is all we got right now
Make it work 😂
Its wat SAS does on a reagular
*I would hate you to if you physically tried to hurt me because you couldn't stop me in a 🏀 game..... It's deeper than rap*
B el
@J Day literally they said the jorda. Rules was to hurt him if he stepped into the paint
@@gunny-lneck4352its clear jday needs to run the series again.
@J M basketball isnt trying to hurt another person because you arent better than them. You clearly have never played, MJ took those hits and finished 3 series against them and the only 2 times he had a squad he pushed them to 7 and swept them
I recall Isiah Thomas starting this grudge years earlier when coach Bobby Knight called Jordan the best player he had seen when he coached Jordan in the Olympics while Jordan was with Chapel Hill . Knight had coached Thomas earlier at Indiana when Indiana beat Chapel Hill in the NCAA championship, which was before Jordan got there.
I also heard a story about his nephew having a Jordan jersey, speaking of Jordan as the best, and that pissing Isiah off. Not to mention, Thomas was from Chicago and both players were writing their own pages of Chicago legend! There was a lot there to spark a lava hot rivalry! And, Isiah could also hide behind the tactics of those days, as well! The Jordan rules weren't anything different than how they played back then. They were the Jordan rules possibly because they were rough, Jordan could not win, and he was the future of the NBA! But, they were allowed to topple you to stop you from scoring a layup or dunk, for example. The Bulls not being able to win, the Pistons/Isiah not bowing to Jordan(as other teams had), and maybe a perceived freeze-out All-star game drove Jordan nuts!
🤔yeah Isiah didn't like that by Bobby Knight and instead of getting up in Bobby Knight's face there was a young Jordan🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣
That's what made the NBA so good in the 80s and 90s.
Yeah 4 good teams!!!
king Richards the nba wasn’t good in the 90’s
lance garrison depends on what team you rooted for lol
NBA took off around mid-90s
@@anthony9327 there are tons of good team and championship conterders in the 80s and 90s.
In the East
Bulls with MJ and Pippen, Celtics with bird, mchale, parish and DJ.
Knicks with Ewing and Starks
Pacers with Reggie
Pistons with Isiah, dumars, rodman and laimbeer.
Magic with shaq and penny
In the west theres blazers with drexler, rockets with hakeem, suns with barkley and thunder dan, lakers with magic johnson, sonics with payton and kemp, jazz with stockton and malone. Lots of great superstars with great role players in the 80s and 90s.
I feel like they really trying to make something out of nothing with this. The Pistons used rough house tactics for years and then when they finally got beat they walked off in a very unprofessional manner for a champion team end of story
Trust me I lived through this and saw it all...its not something out of nothing. Back then it was a big deal to they arent making any of this up.
@@robglobal1 i meant it as they are trying to make MJ look like he's blowing this out of proportion and he should just be ok with what went down and it's alot bigger then Isiah is making it out to be but end if the day what was done is done and Detroit should be embarrassed they looked like sore losers rather then to just say that was the way the game was played
It is always the same with bullys if you crush them they are whiners and weak minded.
Jason King 1381From BKNY Lambeer was the one who wanted to walk off. Say what you want but that pistons team had an all or nothing approach. They'd follow their team mates whereever
I love how people forget that the Celtics did the pistons like that first but everyone only remembers the pistons walking off
Dawg y’all straight up beat him up on the court and you want him to get over it?
Hello 30 years is a long time to be butthurt.. Everybody played dirty back then Bulls included
Teresa Thomas - Nope Celtics and Lakers did not play dirty like Detroit did. Stop lying to yourself.
@@teresa-oj9rq people online hold grudges because others say LeBron isn't the greatest of all time. I can't imagine what they would do if someone did to them with the Pistons did to Jordan. 😐
@@ONI1013. Celtics were extremely dirty
@@ONI1013. I am old enough to remember..thanks for playing
Stephen A and Max look Like they about to fall asleep 😂😂😂
Ya they fighting to stay awake
ESPN working them to death
I was too. I completely zoned out.
They tried to hurt Michael Jordan what does Isiah expect his teammates literally admitted that.
Yes
the dirty plays on jordan & scottie by the Pistons is what the bulls are mad about
it's not about the shake hands or the walk off the court .
I agree. If a person can hurt you that can change the game.
@Eezzy John As a man you're entitled to not like people who have wronged you. Forgiving is his call to make and it won't make you any less of a man to think people who have physically assaulted you in a "game" multiple times are assholes...
Everything they did was within the rules. MJ didn't like the physical play when it was against him, but when the bulls go out and get 3 of the bad boys (who were the main physical guys on that team), he had no problem with that. When he got Rodman, Sally, and Edwards, why didn't he complain then? He's just a baby. Still the best player ever, but still a baby.
@Eezzy John Yep! Isaiah doesn't even hold a grudge or anything against Jordan. Jordan even refuses to speak to Barkley again because Barkley said he was a terrible owner and had yes men around him. Poor wuddle Jordan has his feelings hurt.
If I was Zeek, I'd say, " Yeah, we was petty, so what?"
That's what made not only Zeek, Detroit, and that ERA OF BASKETBALL GREAT. Teams and players really want to beat each other.
And then Zeek can’t whine that this cost him the Dream Team spot....
He’s basically saying he called us bad champs and not worthy of recognition so he went ahead and showed us all that Jordan was right and they didn’t deserve respect or recognition...
velardejl bruh but his game don’t lie, what we also learnt the bulls were not respecting champs, MJ hadn’t won that time. That’s just sad these dudes are winners and first ballot hof at the time
Clyde Drexler said fairly zeek shoulda been on that team he said he played 11 seasons and was a all star every season :/
@@velardejl Celtics done the same to the Pistons. Were the Celtics bad champs too?
Me thinks not
Adam Webb The Pistons were the dirtiest team and were known villains.... nobody is gonna get mad at the Celtics especially when a few of them walked off and it was an away game where fans stormed the court... and if a team that has a bad image does something bad then of course it reinforces their image and gets brought up(Pistons)
Isiah and MJ just need to have a sit down and either Stephen A or Magic need to be the mediator.
Anthony Williams won’t happen. Isaiah would show, Jordan won’t. MJ made it clear in the 90s and even 00s he will forever be petty and hate Zeke 🤷🏾♂️
Why?
Magic need to be honestly.
Anthony Williams why because honestly this is a one sided beef with only Michael participating
@@deciuswtasby idk man. I dont see Mike being petty. Sometimes people jus aren't gonna like each other and that'll jus remain for a lifetime. Isaiah Thomas has his 2 rings and Jordan has 6. Jus move on with life
Respect to Zeke for speaking for, and defending us fellow Detroiters.
“Hard work pays off, dreams come true. Bad times don't last, but BAD GUYS do.”
I agree with Jordan.
But MJ shook y’alls hands the year before in the 1990 playoffs after y’all beat them,no excuses
Marsh Shady mj was the face of the league so he had no choice
@@LanceG007 so the great coach Dean Smith didn't taught him how to be respectful and shook the hands of his opponents after a game?
I probably would have reacted the same as the Pistons if my opponent had said we didn't deserve our championships.
He should have been honest-y’all don’t respect our championship then we don’t respect yours
Aww, did MJ hurt their feelings? I thought they were the Bad Boys, I thought they were tough.
@@lewalcindor9356 .. Tough men can have emotions, sir.
@@Ms_Charlotte_S lol there's a difference between emotions and getting your little feelings hurt after being the big bad bully for so long.
Lew Alcindor MJ is the one who said he hasn’t forgiven them. Pippen was afraid to go on the court. Detroit still owns MJ’s soul
Its a different story when you WANT to harm a man intentionally, which you did. MJ just got lucky he didn't get injured.
... and everyone who hasn't been killed by a drunk driver is lucky... the list goes on
as McHale did against Rambis?
@@yvanlima That's a different story. The difference was they planned it. They planned to harm MJ, that was a WHOLE TEAM to harm a LEGEND.
Arun Desu oh shut up at that time it was pretty normal y’all act like the Pistons were the only ones doing these things. Did you even watch basketball back in the day....
When Jordan and the Bulls lost to the Pistons in 1990, Jordan was hurt because they thought it was their year to beat the Pistons. I remember seeing Jordan walk over and shake their hands when the Bulls lost. Why couldn't they do the same in 91'?
Ralph Sanchez facts
Ralph Sanchez Because they weren’t arrogant disrespectful assholes? Jordan at the time has won nothing, he had no right to criticise them at that point so they felt disrespected. I ain’t shaking no hands with a man like that 🤷🏻♂️
Do yall really hate the Pistons or just blindly follow Michael Jordan
Jerome Marshall blindly following Jordon of course 🤷🏽♂️
Best question....
@@SweetDaddyBarron78 Can't even spell his name right. Obviously don't follow him that blindly. LMAO
Do LeBron fans really hate the Warriors or just blinding follow him ? 🤔
@@Quientonlewis why wont you ask them.
Isiah Thomas being very careful in his interview about what he says 😂
Me' Mo, as most people are these days
Bill Nye yep; people say they appreciate Jordan’s honesty but if someone in this era is honest all they get is hate lol
Jordan kept quiet for years, he took unnecessary dirty plays without complaint he gets a pass😂🤣😂
@@deciuswtasby yup
@Steve Jobs he seems a little upset MJ spoke honesty best thing to do is handle it on the court😂🤣😂💕💕🐐🐐Much love for Isiah Thomas 🐐
Calm, cool & collected, Isiah Thomas articulates himself well! 🙌🏽 All these situations have contexts & are understandable.
I always thought Detroit was justified because of Boston walkout, but hearing MJs
version was an eye-opener. He shook their hand every year they were beaten and even did interview moments after losing
No malice towards Detroit when he lost
I just made the same exact comments about this on another video. I can understand Michael Jordan position at this point
jordan made it personal by trashing them saying they didn’t deserve their championships
actually isiah shook the celtics hands when they won.
The Pistons never went on tv and trashed the Bulls and called them bad for basketball and “undeserving champions” either 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Also if you notice when the Celtics were walking off the floor they was still shaking hands with Detroit and dapping up the players.
Love the 30 for 30 Bad Boy plug during the interview....
Pistons won 2 titles in 80s. Celtics 3. Lakers 5. Bulls won 6 in 90s. So the bad boys Are last on the list
Frank McLain Piston won one in 89 and one in 90. Technically, in the 80s, they are tied with Philly who won one in 83.
He just said something totally different with an interview with Chris Broussard. These fools change stories like drawers.
Seen that too
These shows are scripted and nationally televised. I like to take these with a grain of salt. Those smaller interviews carry more weight in my eyes bc players can express their selfs better without having a agenda pushed upon them. But zeke mirrored these sentiments in his interview with Bhris Broussard as well. They talked about alot more than just the bulls-pistons rivalry tho.
What did he say
@@pblomoney NO. Isiah always changing his story. MJ right...he's an a-hole.
Wait, you’re suppose to change your drawers?
Isaiah Thomas knows hows to diplomatically handle a situation
he's a politician and an assassin...smiles for the camera....stabs you in the back on the court...
That was how the game was played back then, you drove to the basket you paid for it. Jordan knew he had to get some muscle on him if he was going to basket....now the big guys are soft.
Facts
Xavier McCray when Wilt spoke on Jordan he said the same exact thing, Wilt said out of his mouth you come into this paint with all that flash you were going to be hurt. He can do all that on the perimeter but come in this paint just know what you’re getting into
@@Wolverine479 embid not soft, mark gasol
Embid not soft
Soft?
They just aren't idiots like this bush league era.
They have skills now.
If they wanted to hurt someone, they could easily.
They should do Players only Michael and Isiah on TNT.
Facts
Stand Up Detroit!!
Detroit, 4 life
This beef going too the grave 😂😂 and i love it
God I miss these rivalries.
That was REAL basketball....Remember growing up in the hood playing 🏀ball in the park. Beef was so hard😡 loser😵 would leave and take the ball with em...The piston just left without their ball😂😂
Wow, I didn’t think Rodman would be an after thought ?? lol
Rio Rogers ya, that’s very known information from everyone...but he is definitely the greatest Role player of all-time in my opinion
MJ's issue was that when they lost those straight years to Detroit during playoffs, he took it like a man- shook their hands, tip their hats off to the better team. When it was time for the Bulls to sweep the Pistons, they walked out. Is walking out showing respect? No. But, yeah, IT justifies it by saying Boston did it to them. Duh.
Why is that narrative that MJ blocked off IT from the Dream Team still there? His Pistons teammate SALLEY actually said it was NOT true. It was Magic and to some extent Bird, who had a hand in IT's exclusion. Salley also said that IT's beef started when his nephew was wearing MJ's jersey. Guess that and them suffering a sweep makes it hard to get over 30+ years later huh? LOL.
bigetantamco how would Salley Know if Jordan Blocked Isaiah from the Dream Team???
Salley wasn’t there. He doesn’t even know what a dream team invite looks like.
First of, other players on the Dream Team confirmed Jordan stated “multiple times” that he didn’t want to play with Isaiah.
That is OLD NEWS THAT WAS CONFIRMED DECADES AGO. of course MJ is gonna deny it to save face.
Drew Andrews when did MJ deny it?
Majority of the DT players didn't want IT on the team, at least the holy Trinity (Mike, Larry and Earvin) didn't want him.
Yeah true, it was always Isaiah who was an MJ hater / jealous, then he plays the victim and make up arguments to make himself seem innocent.
Remember when he forbade the ball to MJ as an all star rookie?
They offered Jordan the Dream Team spot and the incentive was no Isaiah Thomas for Jordan to join its in the Dream Team documentary
Those were different times, I remember the Bad Boys Pistons, they were a blue-collar type of team. They fought hard for every position, and they would play a lot of games in the 90s. They had a lot of pride, and they hated to lose. Today players on opposing teams are best friends, and they leave the competition on the floor for 48 minutes, and then hug it out after the game is over. Totally different mentality now than it was in the 80s and 90s. Players of this generation are friends long before they come to the NBA with the AAU Games as well as the McDonald's All-American Games.