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- Isiah Thomas joins Mike Greenberg and Jalen Rose on Get Up to respond to Michael Jordan's comments about the Detroit Pistons walking off of the court without shaking hands following the 1991 NBA Eastern Conference finals.
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30 years later the Pistons write off their loss to the Bulls in 91 as "them getting old." They didn't "get" old. They won the Championship in 89 & 90, They weren't on a decade run. Rodman won rings 7 years later... They didn't get old, they got beat.
right Jordan was older than them on they 3rd repeat
Dude, they had over HALF of their team that was born in the '50's on the 1991 team. They were old AF. John Salley was the youngest guy that got any PT that year, and he was 26. Yes, I was there. Yes, I had season tickets.
@@jesterlead Average Age of the starting line up for the Pistons was 30 years old in 1990, Average for the Bulls in 1998 was 33. That was their 6th and final time winning. THEY GOT BEAT.
Preach
@@artvandalay13 Dude, watch NBA in the '80's and 90's? You know what happened after the Bad Boys? It went from full contact NFL ball to flag football. MJ could carry a team at 50, but by '97 it was a no-touch league......
Never trust someone who always smiles when they talk.
He's textbook "Duper's delight"
Isiah is a great person
It’s a forced smile that hides humiliation
Reminds me of that character from breaking bad... You know the one, the Chicken man LMAO! That dude was a cold blooded killer and was soft spoken and always smiling in that show... Heck they could be brothers in both demeanor and look haha
Well that's just a dumb thing to say. You must realise that, while Isiah may not be one of them, there are genuinely nice people that smile whenever they talk. Not everyone is as jaded by life as your comment suggests.
If you have ever seen the footage of Jordan’s face when they passed him as they walked off of the court, it’s very clear that Michael was hurt. It’s all over his face. Who knows how much he really respected them or how he thought they would give him his props and or passed the torch. And a competitor like Mike would never admit it, but it’s plain as day.
Who cares? Jordan is a crybaby.
@@timjohnson8339 Then what is LeBron🤣
@@timjohnson8339 like you?
Jordan is still hurt. WHY
@@timjohnson8339 What does he have to cry about? He's a 6 time champion/ finals mvp, 10 time scoring champion, 5 time league MVP, DPOY...a billionaire majority black team owner. You Jordan haters are hilarious with these fictious flights of fancy. 😆
I love the "we got old" excuse. Right after they had won 2 championships.
@Justin Credible Jordan came back, because he missed the game. And no team that's garbage would go to back to back Finals.
Isaiah Wrist got injured after winning a chip and he said he was never the same again.
Yeah isiah was literally 29 years old. Weird excuse considering he could use a legit excuse.
i dont care what nobody say Isiah WAS BAD HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THAT DREAM TEAM
It's not the "age". It was going through that playoff grind 5 straight years. It physically and mentally wore them down. No different than how Jordan said he and the Bulls felt after 93.
Different era of the game, Never going to watch basketball like this again. Pure Heart and soul.
Javier Cruz ofcourse, they had an intesity to win at all cost, the rivalry’s where great and the competitive nature of the nba was extremely high.
I stopped watching after Michael retired
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Javier Cruz honestly when the nba dies off it’ll be awesome to start watching all the old schools leading up to the Lebron era
bro we might never watch basketball again period at this point smfh what a waste of an amazing season
The Pistons made the Bulls hit the gym, which eventually created a standard for modern athletes.
in that 90 season huh
Imagine anyone not lifting weights in today’s NBA. Crazy.
No
@@joonpak I mean no one on the warriors team besides green look like they could bench over 135 lmao they were a bunch of twigs that could just shoot from the parking lot. And Kevin Durant has to carry rocks in his pocket so that the wind doesn't take him away, so yeah I can more than imagine it, I can see it every year lmao
Ur point is
The eastern conference from 1980-1993 may have only produced 4 different championship teams but the way these teams were built and experienced playoff pain before getting over the final 1 or 2 hurdles was great to see.
Teams were built and had to earn their place.
Just like the 3rd Celtics dynasty we're watching be born.
@@benjamindouglas862 4th, do not disrespect Rajon, the Truth, Ray & the Big Ticket
@@leonardorosti438 a title a dynasty is not, maybe if they don't lose game 7 in 2010
@@benjamindouglas862 yep you right, but how sad for those players, I like to put them in Celtic HOF anyway.
@@leonardorosti438 all but Rondo will be in the actual H of F, and I still remember that game 7 loss, still painful after 12 years
80s Celtics taught the 90s pistons how to walk off 😂
MJ never asked for an apology. He said respect the game and sportsmanship. If his team sucked it up and shook your hands for 3 straight years of losing, you can do the same.
Cole World you can’t tell them what to do they did what they do get over it 🤷🏽♂️ Mike still crying about that
MJ held it all in until his hall of fame induction ceremony. Then he took a Massive Funky Dump💩 on the game!
Exactly
That’s because Mj is a class act, Detroit was full of bullies and insecure men. Mj the goat.
True...but MJ was just as wrong for manipulating the situation where Isiah did not make the dream team. That was a b#$% move by MJ.
That rivalry is top 3 in nba history to me
2nd for me next to LA/Boston
Is cavs/warriors in it?
tom bru No
My lifetime:
1. CHI vs DET
2. LAL vs BOS
3. CHI vs NYK
4. LAL vs SAS
5. IND vs NYK
Bonus: DET vs BOS
@@user-iu3kv2bo4h no
MJ has been, is and always will be my favorite basket ball player ever since i was a child...
however i absolutely love and respect a legend like Isaiah Thomas!
Well at least there's one of you.
I love how he says they didn’t get mad at the way Boston exited the court. Of course not, they were real men and shook your hand and wished you luck in the finals.
i have a question, i get it was disrespectful...but at the end of the day its a handshake. you've become world champions....back to back 6 times! how can you still hold a grudge on a handshake after 30 years? 🤔
Actually, Bird stormed off, Ainge stormed off. The only one who did any congratulating was McHale to Isiah. However, Laimbeer made a point to run over to McHale and give him a fist bump. Not much different from the Pistons walking off from the Bulls.
@J Day "stupidity at it's finest" oh the irony.
@@selvaganapathy2391 because Jordan takes it personally, holds grudges and doesn't forgive. That's why
@@selvaganapathy2391 That's the mentality that helped him win those 6 chips
Of course lambeer doesn't regret it, he wasn't left off the dream team like Zeke was
Davi Clar he would
Imagine Isiah, Bird, Magic, and Jordan all on that Dream Team.....instead of John bleeping Stockton. Would have been epic. Isiah deserved to be on that team. He beat all 3 of those guys. He ended the Celtics and Lakers dynasties and held off the Bulls for 3 straight years.
Robert Parish gave Lambeer a one two punch and knocked him out. Parish missed only the next game
@@daviclar867 he was laughing when he was saying it. A bad joke!
Zeke lol?
As a Bulls fan I can't even lie as bad as i hated the Pistons back then still respect how real they are and stuck together.
Exactly they were a fun team to watch
Rs
Pistons won 2 titles and that was it. They ain't in no conversation. Other then being dirty. And like Jordan said every time bulls lost they shook there hands and congratulated them. They never just walked off the court.
@@silentkool21 winning back to back championships is no easy feat to disregard in any sport.. Only the few and elite can accomplish that.
@@silentkool21 lmao, knocked off the Celtics and Lakers, went to three straight finals with one superstar, the Bulls faced what great team?
Isiah Thomas crossed the wrong person and he's paying for it to this day.
And I took it personally.
crossed who? he made Jordan who he is today.. they made jordan into a man
Isiah waaaay tougher than Jordan. Isiah grew up poor and went to Indiana with Bobby Knight..
Jordan came from middle class and got kid gloves at NC with Dean Smith.
That's why Jordan still hurt about it and Isiah been moved on...
@@MrBrysta by going along with Laimbeer by not shaking hands with the Bulls, he was basically cancelled in the league and left off the dream team.
Everybody outside of Detroit hated him.
He pissed off the wrong people and paid for it.
@@michaelterrell2108 All that you said speaks volumes about who the REAL SHADY person is. Shows just how vindictive and shrewd MJ is, and any kiss a$$ who panders to his elitist mindset. Isaiah has moved on. Folks still kissing his boots (or his HEIR Jordans) while he continues to exploit the league and poor black children, along with the prison industrial complex.
You all are rooting for the wrong person.... his pathology is whack! The argument is old as dirt, nearly three decades removed, and he's still whining about it??? Immature and entitled.
Last Dance reminded me of nothing, cause I remember everything about it. It was still a nice documentary, cannot be put into the perspective of a Bulls fan, will never forget any of it.
It felt like Ragnar had just conquered France, and we were the Vikings. It was like the most satisfying run and team in sports history, it was surreal as can be. We had permanent smiles and good for decades worth of conversations. It was like we had Batman on our team, now there's nothing to watch on TV.
As a sports fan who just finished watching the Last Dance I couldn't help but be envious of Chicagoans who got to live and experience this. You've just perfectly described exactly how I thought it must've been😍n
@@aphiwembande8661 Thank you, I tried to describe it as best I could from memory, envy from other organizations is understandable though, I don't mean to rub it in. I used to think like how this type of run just does never happen, so we're lucky to experience once it in a lifetime, or many actually. Most of that was because of having MJ, without him forget it. The recent drama with Scottie and MJ has me a little bit disgusted with Pippen, Jordans detractors are ridiculous, he was near perfect as he continued to learn the game. He was more of a hero than a player, what I remember he did it all when it counted. His earlier career is just an afterthought, he just kept getting better... Nobody else I can think of like that in any sport, except maybe Ali. Some people say Wayne Gretsky was ridiculous, I didn't really follow him. I understand how difficult it is to dominate any professional sport, it's very difficult.
This is a dead on description of how it was. The Bulls were the Rock stars of the world that season and everybody knew who they were. It was like The Beatles at their peak!
I idolized MJ when I was a kid, and to me he's still the GOAT. But you can't deny that MJ wouldn't be what he is if he didn't have to go through the Pistons.
Whoever he would have still been the same player he is today it's the way the brackets were set up that they met Detroit and the playoffs
Jaime Garcia I totally agree with your statement; which is the answer to what Isiah said about if Lebron and KD played the game during MJ’s time... Jordan would have been that much more of a beast rising to the occasion like he did when faced against the Pistons.
Well, but you have to go through it in the first place. ;)
Yes he would have, it just would have been something else, they didn't create Jordan thinkin, he been dominating before he played them he won rookie of the year, remember he was destroying every team, he just wasn't winning, he been who he was tho
They just so happened to be his toughest challenge and couldn't win, but his skills technique and how he played been the same
Laimbeer calling the bulls whiners after being a baby and not shaking hands is priceless.
E'L Toro Guapo W
LeBron James didn't Shake Orlando team when they beat them
@E'L Toro Guapo still doesnt make him better for being a sore sport and a chump
@@yungmc8078 go have a cry. Sports is abusive.
for sure...laimbeer was the biggest whiner in the history of the game...not to mention, by far, the dirtiest player...
Anyone else notice that Isaiah Thomas is ALWAYS smiling lol
Fake af.
Fakest saltiest mofo ever
The smile on his face when made those excuses for what he done really hammered it home what he really is.
Exactly what i feel. Exactly.
Then, you don't know Isaiah. That man has worn that wide smile his whole life. That's just him; and he laughs a lot when he talks as well. People need to move on from old matters and focus on the weightier issues in life, and he has done that.
But Jordan???? I mean, my GOD man, this happened nearly 30 years ago!!! For goodness sake, get over it Jordan!!
@@takodawhitefeather - Jordan IS over it. It's THOMAS who keeps brining it up.
@@jumperguy9867 How is he over it... by writing that narrative into his biopic for the rest of these lame-o's to pine away about it with him?? Uh, yeah okay. Y'all are so brainwashed.
The ONLY reason Zeke has said ANYTHING about it is because of Jordan's whiney behavior and commentators kicking up dust about it. Pippen and Grant are STILL sour about it too. They are soooo lame!!
The moment has passed...still no handshake or pat on the back.
He got his rings, now move on with it. 😂😂😂😂😂
Can say the same for MJ. He got away with it, because he is MJ.
Isaiah out here looking like one of the Jackson brothers
😂😂
Lol..which brother, Jermaine or Tito?
Are you implying that Joe Jackson..... was creeping ?! : )
Hehe
@@oneflowerninjamagic1912 ???? They were just a town over
NBA players back then took the games personally. Nowadays, it's albout the $$$$. Not the game anymore
They got smart
@@percywilliams394 exactly!
@@arlopear7136 lol
They got soft. This whole younger generations. All soft.
Jim Mattis “soft” but more skilled, sorry players nowadays actually want to play ball and not injure each other on purpose
I hate when people say they got old, Isaiah was 29, Joe dumars was 27, Dennis rodman was 29, mark Aguirre was 31, and bill Laimbeer was 33, meanwhile Jordan was 27, Scottie and Horace was 25 and bill Cartwright was 33
Pistons wasn't old the bulls just made them look that way! 😂
Isaiah Thomas look like a 12 year old man. Homie never ages!!!
His highlights don't age either
🤷🏾 "Black DON'T crack" 💪🏾
Met him 4 years ago at Vegas Summer League, he looks 87 in person lol. Great guy though
The legend I think the toll of being a nba guard is more work than a math teacher does 😂 some people have missing cartilage from playing ball. The injuries the taxing on the body the time working and practicing lol please b e quiet with your 12 year old logic
Vampire
As Scottie says, they didn't get old; they got beat
they got old.
@@TyFhoonBoom That's a lie. Were Isiah and Rodman being 29 considered old? And Dumars was 27 and Aguire was 30. Flagrant fouls or not they were going to lose; 89 Bulls pushed them to 6 games, Pistons swept everyone including the Lakers . 90 Bulls were the only team to once again push Pistons, this time to 7 games, only Knicks and Blazers got one 1 and that was it.
They got old
Sore losers!😁
@@TyFhoonBoom no they got beat, lol
Painful for Detroit. They were the 2-time defending champs and they were swept. And swept badly. However, love them or hate them, the Bad Boy Pistons were good for the NBA. It was real and tough competition.
And unsportsmanlike
Nah... they were the only ones who beat people up like that. The lakers and celtics or bulls or anyone else didnt need to rough up the other team to win.
@Mark Warner they call that being a sore loser. All other teams took Ls with reapect. Bunch of babies
It was karma
Celtics did the same to the Pistons in the playoffs- yet no one talks about that. That’s how it was done then.
Honesty is something UNCLE THOMAS is uncapable of. He had said on so many different occasions how you "have to be responsible today because it will affect your future".
I might be getting older, but man I’m glad I lived through real 80’s and 90’s ball.
We're all getting older at the same rate though... Daily
@@dariusus9870 did you know the moon is a moon thats a fun fact right there!!
Yes, I remember sitting at a buddies house with some girls and the only thing we cared about were the Pistons and Budweiser... God Bless the Pistons and Bulls rivalry
@@pastjdzz There's being cleaver and there's being stupid.... And your last comment was pretty stupid 😂😂
Cringe
This is the most somebody has ever talked about the Pistons in a long long time!
Never make an opponent your enemy to defeat, make him your inspiration to succeed.
I hope everyone is okay after such a traumatic event.
Those things are relevant in sports. Any man should know it.
@@verdi2310 Don't be a child.
hahahahahaha. best comment
Isiah Thomas's teeth are brighter than my future
He has always kept his teeth white. His mama taught him that😂 His lips are naturally dark as well. That always make teeth look whiter.
ahahahahahahaha, you make me burst into laughter successfully~
lol
LOL!
That is really funny, Dee!
Isaiah’s tv not centered in inside his bookshelf is really testing my OCD.
🤣
🤣🤣
Was thinking the same thing its erking my nerves
You can buy him a big tv and fill the space
Dude 😂😂😂
These was some real rivalry’s
Michael Jordan sad it himself, Isiah and the pistons made him a better player overall and the bulls a better team
Is it just me or does Isaiah Thomas look like and talk like one of the Jackson 5?!
jervaz Touchdown. Good one . Comment of the year . Very clever
Like it was as easy as 1. 2. 3
Jermaine Jackson’s twin brother 😂😂😂
jervaz Lol
LmfaoI! No it's not just you! To add to that, he look much lighter also!
" we got old "
how do you suddenly get old after sweeping the finals a years prior?
They didn't sweep the Finals in 1990.
@@jbrumundsmith point still stands
Nope, just got injured. Mostly Isaiah
@@georgelaflare and yet they still made the conference finals.... and got swept. Weren’t too old or injured to get there
Ask the rockets in 96
He's absolutely right.. only a few pistons went on & played, most of them retired.. but that's how they handed the torch over to the next team.. they weren't friends to other teams back then.. it was real hate, & the games were more physical.. much better ball playing back then..
Who retired that season? Or even in the following 2? Thomas? Rodman? Aguirre? Laimbeer? Dumas?
Pistons where practicing social distancing 25 yrs ago...
Gilbert Cantu lol made my day
Lol and they bash them for being ahead of their time. The hate!!
Lol nice observation!
LOL!! BEST COMMENT EVER!!🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
What about lambier and Isaiah hugging that old white guy?
This was when the NBA was must-see TV. Good times!
truth
Like when Artest and them beat up fans. Ppl need to YT that :-)
I cant even tell you the last time I watched an NBA game and not because of COVID. It used to be "must see TV" like you said. Now it's, I'll catch it if I catch it. And the games are forgettable compared to the 90's.
@@kokolatte825 I do feel like the Bulls - Celtics 2009 PO series was on that level though, but mostly i agree and that's been 11 years xD
@@Svupper how about Cleveland vs gs pre kd
Michael was right. Isiah can reflect back and come up with a different narrative, but anyone around then knows differently. The Pistons left the court in disgrace as sore losers!
The selective narrative by MJ is to ignore the fact that the Bulls were the biggest crybabies in the NBA. They were embarrassing.
@@tomhearns143 The entire league was in transition from playing finesse to physical. Detroit adopted the Lakers/Celtics playoff intensity and incorporated it into every regular season game. Many teams, including the Bulls, were not prepared for that style of play, but obviously they adapted as the younger players got a few years under their belt. When the Pistons got swept and walked off the court, now that was both embarrassing and poor sportsmanship.
Lakers, Celtics, Pistons, Blazers, Bulls......Absolutely crazy era.
MJ is the most competitive man. So him losing is like ripping out his heart and soul. But even after all that, he'll shake the hands of the people who beat him. MJ could still maintain his dignity that others are too immature to show.
He was all class when they loss to the Pistons year after year. He sought them out to shake their hands. He said in post game interviews that the Bulls wanted to get to the Pistons level, gave them all the respect in the world. The Pistons walked off and blamed the Celtics. Those guys were definitely a-holes.
Did all those that beat him, bash him, his team, and his city in the media before they beat him? I mean I wouldn't show someone respect when they failed to do the same with me leading up to the game. So yeah, I definitely get why the pistons did it and am glad that they did. Cause Jordan just wants people to play the game the way HE thinks it should be played, but in his world he can do no wrong, while others are nothing but wrong.
@Jason McSweeney When did I or anyone say that? I think Jordan is the greatest ever. But the fact that you just ignored the topic at hand and went straight to the Chips shows that you're just like a loser from chicago. I said that he didn't show the pistons any respect before the non handshake game so of course they weren't going to shake his hand. Go look at what he said about the pistons before the game and then come back to argue about the TOPIC AT HAND and not the overall achievements of MJ.
Pat4Clippers bulls walked off when they were beat as well folks forget that
Exactly. Jordan used defeat to make himself better, NOT bitter.
The Pistons did not get old in one year; The Bulls just got better.
The Pistons made the Bulls better... playing the 89 90 Pistons you had to be mentally and physically tough. The Pistons caused that dog to come out of the bulls....
@@mr.ifeoluwa4591 You're right.
So the Pistons were old at the (average) age of 30 in '91
What about Jordan winning the Championship, Scoring title and Finals MVP at the age of 35 in '98
No guys, you're missing one crucial point. Where were Bulls weaker in 1990? In the paint. So yes, Bulls "got better", but because of Phil Jackson, as always. He got rid of players who weren't physical enough, such as Ed Nealy (could shoot threes, but was unusable as rebounder), Jeff Sanders, Jack Haley, and replaced them with Cliff Levingston and Scott Williams. As a result Bulls ended up with no less than six centers/PFs: Cartwright, Grant, King, Perdue, Levingston and Williams. That's 36 possible personal fouls per game, guys! So they could outfight Pistons in 1991, something they couldn't do the year before. Not everything was with MJ - in fact it was much more with Phil. The reason why Bulls did worse in 1995 than in 1994 despite MJ returning was the absence of Horace Grant who left to Orlando. They were hollow in the paint for entire 1994-95 season. And then the league's best rebounder came aboard...
Bulls fans commenting
NBA TV needs to do a Thomas - Jordan 1 on 1 interview !, now that would be very rated episode and fire 100 !.📺💵🏀🔥💯👍
I don’t think players on the dream team cared about the handshake, they cared about the dirty play.
it really bothers me that laimbeer says "we got old"... Rodman, Isiah and Dumars weren't 30 and Laimbeer was 33. He shouldn't blame the loss on their age man.
And rodman was on a self destruction he was suspended all time couldnt play the next yr he was gone
simply outplayed by bulls even in their prime
Well the Lakers lost in 89 and the media said they were getting old 💯 I think you forgot that due to the game in general being so physical back then, you had a few guys playing until their mid 30s but the majority were out. I feel you on what you're saying but now with the game being the way it is, it's waaay less overall injuries now opposed to then which doesn't tax the body as hard.
@@nv3e125 Rodman played 82 games in 90/91 averaging 33 min. In 91/92 he also played 82 games averaging 40 mins. how was he gone?
If you actully look at their ages they were in their prime years and got shut down!
They were all around thirty years old. They were just beaten by the new era. The future. The G.O.A.T.
Facts
Also, they got rid of Mahorn. Big mistake
@@kwrbt2979 they didnt get rid of him he got drafted in the expansion
@@kamikazejetz9676 They didn't have to expose him to that draft! They chose to.
@Lee Scott True, emotionally too. The steal by Bird. When isiah injured his ankle. And that bogus call on Laimbeer vs kareem. Most teams would have folded after heartbreaking losses. But that Detroit team was mentally tough. But still, just the normal cycle of old to the new. MJ and Pippen was the future -- wing guys that could score, defend, and make plays.
When the NBA was must-watch Television. Now, not so much.
They were Detroit's team, and Detroit in the 80's was a pretty rough place, with an even worse reputation, and all I gotta say is: in Detroit, the fans [expletive] LOVED their Bad Boys of basketball.
I'd like to see Michael Jordan and Isiah Thomas go at each other on First Take with Stephen A Smith being the moderator .. That'll be must-see TV for sure.
MJ is s billionaire no need to host a show just keep buying his shoes
Jordan doesn’t know to be moderator
Perhaps they can include Bill Laimbeer too... See how Michael reacts to what he's gonna say.
Thomas would probably be packing some heat.
Yeah I would love to tune in to that myself.
I appreciate the Jalen Rose represents the city of Detroit more than anyone else in the media, respect
💯💯
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
And Jemeel Hill does too
That's right, REPRESENT
He never played for the Pistons. It looks funny with him wearing a Pistons jersey.
I have watched basketball for a very long time. I've been to the big market cities too. People are blown away by the skills NBA players have on court. Off the court I've never heard anything plausible about any players.
Just realized that for all of his talk, Jordan seemed to be okay with playing with Rodman who was a part of that team.
Pipen wasn't. Rodman had to apologize to get on the team. He was upset about getting beat up by the pistons. That wasn't what Jordan was mad about.
Jordan is more concerned with Isiah as the leader of team and best player not bowing down and kissing his ring. Rodman was a far inferior basketball player, so Jordan wasn't concerned with him. It's always personal and petty for Jordan.
@@reviewsandrevisits2745 Some of you folks act like whiney little children on the playground, instigating and fueling the flames. I think MJ and the rest of those nearly 60-year old has been(s) from the Bulls suffer with arrested development. I cannot imagine after all this time, they are STILLLLL pining away over a darn handshake.
They've won 6 titles since then, been married, divorced, remarried, grandfathered, etc., and THIS is the most painful/traumatic memory of their lives????? Petty, childish, and entitled. Grown a$$ men crying over spilled milk... the rest of society is wallowing in it and lapping it up. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Shouldn’t have walked off like that, MJ got hammered repeatedly & still went over to shake hands
FACTS 💯🏁
They shouldn't have walked off like the Celtics did to them after the Pistons eliminated them.
I don't mind it... Real emotion > Phony little league gamesmanship
If Jordan used *THAT* to badmouth Thomas and get USA basketball to exclude him from the 1992 Dream Team, then shame on them.
@@jamesanthony5681 well it's called exercising power. Tht was and is the power of Michael Jordan
How can laimbeer say they got old when Isaiah is only a year or two older then Michael Jordan
He also retired when he was only like 32 lol
I mean it is true the pistons as a team were getting old, but definitely no the reason they got swept lol
Detroit beat Chicago because the Bulls lacked experience and Detroit were bullies. Chicago dominated the Pistons as soon as they knew they were the better team.
Old NBAs players their age were already old enough and especially beat down, even Wilt and many other greats and kind of enduring and strong players played about 13 and something seasons.
They were definitely old, Zeke would go soon to retire together with another legend that was wiped out by the 90s in Magic, or Larry too.
@@dusk6159 i.t, dumars, Rodman were not...'81-85-86...pfff
You can say anything that make you feel less guilty.
Isaiah I really like ur point when you said that..You were coming down na Chicago were coming up..and if you will have a chance to do something else will be different.. For saying that you are the man. All the love from Tanzania🇹🇿
4-0 sweep followed by 6 rings + 6 MVP finals. MJ has zero reason to be salty.
No game 7
nashmalkin1371 Kenna ain’t EVER gonna b the best player on a championship team so y pay him like he is
Who the bulls play in the finals....spurs, GSW, oh he played bums
@@jday9529 😂😂sun's, lakeers, jazz magic were bums. OK then
@@jday9529 go watch real basketball. Not the whiny ball right now
Isaiah was from Chicago. He had a tough time emotionally against Jordan. In his mind he felt like he never got the respect he felt he deserved. Thomas was a talent but Jordan was dominate.
Cant play both sides of the fence. Sure Zeke was from Chicago but Chicago wasnt going to cheer him on while playing for Detroit over Jordan. Never.
@@r.ramirez6745 you are right but Zeke is still Chicago blood. Im from Chicago and Bulls are my second favorite team but I think Isiah deserves more respect. He is a Chicago native and represents the city. I still think Isiah is closer to Chicago than Jordan is, even if Bulls fans dont agree
The pistons were great. Loved to watch them, but it was rough at times. Isiah was a joy to watch.
Why is there so much animosity between MJ and Isiah ?? 30 plus years later and they still can't bury the hatchet ? My god.
I wonder how many bodies Laimbeer is hiding in his closet
😂😂😂
He was a great player that made the most out of his ability gotta respect him though
laimbeer himself is in the closet with his female tendenecies
Jr. Larry Bird still hates bill Laimbeer to this day. He says he felt Bill tried to hurt him on the court physically and there’s no room for that in basketball
@@davidconejr4206 I'm from the UK what tendancies.
Ironically Laimbeer looks and sounds like the "I want to shake your Hand"-man on the airplane 😂😂
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@@B-mcwrl3as jytype per ramazan
LMFAO 😂!!!!
Foul😂😂😂😂
This is gold!
Boa noite congrats amigos amén vai NBA BOM 👌🏿💪🏿🙏🏿🇺🇸
That was one of a couple of reasons he wasn't asked to be on the Dream Team. A lot of players beside Jordan didn't want to play with him.
"Them walking off, no handshake after we beat them so badly.....Somewhat felt better than winning a championship"
Michael Jordan
Confi Dom That was deep
Po MJ... still harboring bad feelings.
I think not only MJ but all Bulls team from this years, when they got beat up by Pistons.
Exactly. That should just be another prize for winning it all. I don't want my ears falsely tickled for winning, and I don't want to tell someone else how good of a job they did at showing I wasn't good enough. Nothing need be said because both sides already know. Respect doesn't need to be tangible. People do and expect things simply because that's what people say is normal.
Triandis Crim or is he just telling the truth?
They didn't let Isiah be part of the Dream Team because of that incident.
yep thats in episode 5 but they don't make it sound that way.... you'll see next week i guess
@@risingupvisualizing3608 what... where do you see it?
@@risingupvisualizing3608 I call BS! They haven't aired episode 5 yet
Dont forget Isaiah being mad at rookie Jordan for getting all the attention and making the all star game telling the team not to pass the ball to Jordan
@@juanrios2705 episodes 3 to 8 leaked last week
From detroit and love the bad boys and Chicago bulls fan
I'm from Chicago watched all your series , I felt ur teams game play was fair but rough, u were good for bulls teams toughness
Isaiah speaking like a Politician
@@rotweilerscholar1181 Ummmmm!!!! 😂😅🤣😂😎🤔 You might be right!
Exactly and he's doing politics here.
Rotweiler Scholar god dayum!
@@rotweilerscholar1181 nicknamed: babyface assassin
right, he never really answered the question here, as most politicians always do.
Imagine being the defending champions & getting swept off your own floor.
StrangeClouds yeah you’re gonna be pissed
Like the Mavericks did Kobe and the lakers in 2011
Come up Exactly. People choose to forget that even happened
@@comeup4882 that Mavericks team was different that year tho. Swept the Lakers, gentleman's sweep on OKC, and dismantled Lebron within the course of a month.
Imagine being lebron James?
When the pistons walked off and didn’t shake hands. Little did they know that Jordan would become the biggest and greatest sports icon in the history of the world. Jordan is heads and shoulders above everyone that played. His will to win and the killer instinct can’t be matched. We will never see another Jordan. I don’t care if lebron plays 100 years wins 30 championships. Jordan will allways be the goat
Horace Grant's reply pretty much summed it up LMAO
Best part of the episode 😂😂
Horace was rightfully upset.
They kept knocking his goggles off.
fade2black1982 right 😂😂😂🤣🤣
I love Laimbeer but he was dirty. He was a psychopath on the court, trying to injure people. See what Bird says about him and Parish punching him.
Edit: I get a lot of slack because I said I love Laimbeer. I said that refering to him as a character, as as a prototypical villain that makes a good story.
And to this day, Bird have no respect for him.
Yep! And the "we were old" excuse he tried to use also. He's still bitter to this day about Jordan and it shows when he speaks.
How can you "love" someone who tried to injure people?
It's 30 years, and I despise this scumbag with a passion. He could have ended a lot of careers, MJ amongst them, and he never cared.
Jordan is bitter 30 years later, get over it, crying over a handshake, bill gave them no respect and so what, you want respect, than take it
@@Zett76 he is a character, a real villain.
Bad Boys Pistons in late '80s gives major impact in MJ & Scottie Pippen's career they made them the G.O.A.T & best NBA duo of all-time.
Ppl here keep saying Isiah said they ''got old'' but he never said it in the video.
The “Last dance” makes the league look like the “Cupid shuffle” now.
😂 Facts 😂
Man they really look soffffftttrt today sheesh
Major 🖨
Because safety is important now. And Basketball isn’t the only sport being more cautions other sports as well. It’s just a new era thing, safety first
Simba Charuma the way the game is played and how things are so easy to get a call from. All the travels the league let happens has nothing to do with safety. The game is watered down for excitement not for passion
Is love to see James Harden in the 80’s/90’s era. Sheesh......if a touch of a beard is a foul to him imagine what Rodman would do to him 😳
Bury him
Dennis Rodman would probably grab James Harden's beard and pull him down
You guys always bring up the worst examples of players that you think would struggle in the past.
James Harden is one of the stronger players in the NBA, and he finishes through contact regularly.
He flops and complains because it works and gives him easy points. I don't like his playing style really, but Harden wouldn't get bullied.
Harden is one of the best scorers of all time he would handle anyone back in the day
Harden would put all of them on skates.
I felt bad for the Pistons Their careers and reputations never recovered…and that’s not fair!
I agree wholeheartedly...
I think Isaiah Thomas is the most underrated player of all-time.
mj and the bulls shook their hands when pistons beat them 2-3 years in a row, its called respect
Tobat's Channel Boston didn’t shake Detroit’s hands and the 76ers and the Celtics literally came to blows.
@@mrcrc10 did he say anything about Boston or the 76ers? The bulls shook there hands.
@@edentaylor211 exactly
@@edentaylor211 The Bulls shook their hands but repeatedly and publicly led the talk of the Pistons being "bad for the game" and called them "thugs" like they were doing something other than playing basketball. Jordan also campaigned heavily for defensive rule changes. So the so-called "respect" you're talking about wasn't there on the Bulls' end either.
@@edentaylor211 exactly the point is if the Boston never shake their hands after losing to them they have no right to do that to Jordan and the Bulls team that show sportmanship despite all the dirty tatics and heartbreaking lost to them they still manage to show respect and sportmanship.
Isaiah Thomas, answer the (expletive) question already!
The interesting fact what people don't grasp that when Detroit and the Celtics played their was plenty times they left the floor without shaking their hand. Now Byrd stated and others Detroit had a reputation for being tough. But Laimbeer and others had history of wanting taking some of the best players out. I respect tough players but if they did try hurt people on purpose I would not want shake their hand. But Isaiah played on messed up ankle is what made me like him the guy had heart. That why I have hard time watching nba games now. 80's and 90's I loved the nba.
Them Detroit pistons studied the rule book and said let’s goooooo. Them nba rules was like playing in prison.
This documentary is driving up the value of my Michael Jordan and other B ball players sports cards. This is great!
hope so..still got a bunch of MJ cards i collected as a kid
Thats crazy! I stole some MJ cards about 10 years back and they are gaining value now
Austin Pierce savage you are sir
My homie has a MJ rookie card.
means nothing unless you sell. same with your house
This is the longest way I've ever heard someone say "I'm a dickhead" lmao
perfect
Agreed, what a salty hater.🤣
Connor, there is nothing to "LMAO" about when you're stating facts.
Yup, he's a true "Dickhead"!
say what you wanna say but Isiah THOMAS WAS BAD...AND HE IS A LEGEND REMEMBER THAT..
They always have the footage of the Pistons leaving but never the Bulls press conference dogging out the Detroit Pistons prior to game four 1991 finals game.
People keep talking about this, but forget that the Boston Celtics walked off the court in 1988 during a NBA game against the Pistons. Nobody seems to mention that, I wonder or I know why! 🤔
"we got old" gota love that excuse
Yes totally. More like Bulls surpassed them emphatically. The Bulls peak is far greater than the Pistons. Not even close.
Yeah, they were mentally drained & physically fatigued. This is the only team to beat SHOWTIME LA, Birds Celtics & holding down a young ferocious Michael Jordan. "The Pistons ended one era while stopping the Jordan in it's tracks." & that's not an easy thing to accomplish.
NTM Barkley's 76'ers, Dominique & the ATL Hawks, Pat Ewing & the NY KNICKS, Bernard King & the Washington Bullets, Mark Price & Brad Daigherty of the Cleveland Cavaliers.
By 1991, after 2 peating (should've been a 3 peat) as champions the Pistons were wore out. It was time for them to fade into the blackness & it was finally time for MJ to shine.
@@DreMurf313 Jordan played more games than Isiah, And Jordan had to carry his terrible team, That's an excuse!
@@courtneywhite6036 not a fan of either, but let's be honest..
Mj complaining to the NBA about what the pistons was doing plays a significant part in why they got beat, most of it had to do with jordan getting better along with his team lol
And before you say it, I'm not a lebron fan either because I know someone is gonna bring it up
@@FreshPrincex4 They were bad for the game the Pistons we're dirty with Bill Laimbeer Rick Mahorn and Dennis Rodman at that time
"we got old" is a lie and just an excuse
Zeke 29 dumars 28
zeke is 58 and MJ is 57 as we speak
Jadon Memphis, he’s not talking about MJ and Zeke. He’s talking about Laimbeer saying the only reason the Bulls beat them was cause they got old.
@@kidd77075 dummy Laimbeer was a role player. The stars of both teams were YOUNG!
Guy...they were on their 3peat season
Like playing an extra season over the past 2
Excuse? Ha ok reason. Jfc this guy...
Bad Boys For Life!!! Y'all are greatest team Detroit has ever had Hands down! I remember when we use to work out against y'all at Wayne State University while y'all were waiting for the Palace to finishing being constructed. Coach Pain allowed me to play against y'all. I still remember chilling out with Isaiah in his Silver Cadillac Limousine oin front of the Wayne State University Gym. At that time Gary Hawthorne Was their star player and my best friend. Isaiah, do you remember that time back in the early eighties?
The Piston's are the least respected team that won a championship because they were dirty. If you have to play dirty to win then you suck. I have watched every championship since 1965. If you did the stuff they did it a pickup game there would be a fight.
As I recall, the security staff in Detroit ushered the Celtics off the court early for their own safety; the Celtics didn't walk off the way the Pistons did to the Bulls.
Why would the be unsafe when losing? Nonsense!
I'm kind of surprised many people didn't know this. Pistons fans rushed the court after after a victory, that's why the Celtics were taken off the court early.
1:00 Had nothing with you being "old." Late 20s and early 30s lol. They were just the better team.
@Layth Adrian good points but throughout nba history there have been champions that went downhill far and fast the following year or two. The 83 sixers and the recent GS warriors come to mind. Sometimes its age or injury or maybe both.
Guy tells himself lies long enough ends up believing them
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He give the credit to the Bulls.
The problem is, people are not use to people like Laimbeer who dont give a damm to others cry baby.
Like he in others interview said its Basktball not live and dead business.
Not true, late 20s and early 30s was considered old in the NBA in the 80's. The games were much more physically demanding and fouls were much harder. Heck3 years earlier, when the Celtics lost to the Pistons, Larry Bird was only 31 or 32. The next year when the Lakers lost Magic was only 31. Playing deep into May and June year after year with how rough the game was, the players got older much quicker. If you don't like the word "old", then use "run down" because that's what it was.
All said and done, it was most entertaining watching Bulls vs Detroit.
Isiah's ego: his TV stand. Isiah's ability: his TV.
I loved the pistons I was super upset when the bulls beat them no one thought that was going to happen at the time being a teenager in the 90s of course I started loving the bulls but my first basketball I watched was all about the bad boys loved them
Mj always showed sportsmanship in the 3 losses in the playoffs vs Detroit simple!
Jordan's handshaking and good sportsmanship was a smokescreen and he had his brand and image to protect so he said the right things but he revealed his true feelings for the Pistons after they were up 3-0 in 91 playoffs and trashed the Pistons in the media and you think it's reasonable to expect a handshake after ripping the Pistons the day before you sweep them?
@@Grief_Weasel You can absolutely hate em but have good sportsmanship and shake the hands of the oppponent that beat you
I have to say I kinda understand what happened but yeah it’s all about being a good sportsmanship because it’s life.. you lose some, you win some.. play the game man!
Yes you are a bad person Laimbeer. You didnt shake hands after you lost. Maybe someone needs to elbow you so hard during a basketball game that you have get concussion.
And Magic showed class in losing later in the championship too
I'm so jealous of the people who are older than me who got to see ultra physical / aggressive NBA games. The refs blow the whistle for breathing now.
Yea this old head saw it but also believe the refs crossed the line by not calling a lot of stuff. Unfortunately the pendulum has swung and like you said, they call everything...and that technical foul rule...ask Draymond Green how he feels about that. All of the superstars would be ejected every night!
It's just a shooting battle now, with little to no defense. Boring!
Yeah in 70s and 80s it was no blood no foul. Earl Monroe said they called the Chicago stadium Blood Alley 😮
I knew that the game was changing and getting soft when Rasheed Wallace got a technical for the way he looked at the ref!!🦓👀🤔🚬
wolves2314 Hey wolf, no don’t be. I would trade places with you and your youth Any day!!