Fr Josiah Trenham on Eastern Orthodox Theology, Catholicism, and the Reformation
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- Want to learn more about Eastern Orthodoxy? In this video Fr. Josiah Trenham shares his story of converting to the Orthodox Church including why he thinks Protestantism and Catholicism fall short of the fullness of the faith. Additionally, Fr. Josiah shares an Orthodox perspective on Scripture, Tradition, Salvation, and much more. Fr. Josiah talks about the "achilles heal" of Protestantism, the gap between official Catholic teaching and everyday practice, as well as the problems of papal infallibility as well as the Filioque. Of particular interest for Catholics and Orthodox alike might be his discussion of what it would take for the Orthodox and Catholic churches to unite. For Protestants, of particular interest might be Fr. Josiah's appraisal of the Reformation, its pros and cons, and what he calls "the heresy of Sola Scriptura."
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Hey! My name is Austin, and I'm a 21 year old guy with a passion for people. I believe the good news is that God is better than we could've ever hoped, and I love sharing this message of grace and love with anyone that will listen. I'm the former Digital Marketing and Video Production Coordinator at a large, evangelical church in Frederick, MD, and I'm currently a student at Moody Bible Institute in Chicago, IL. When I'm not writing papers or making TH-cam videos, I do freelance work as a Wedding Photographer/Videographer and social media consultant. On any given day you can find me with my nose in a book or a guitar in my hands. Want to get to know me more? Follow me and say hi on Instagram at: @austin.suggs
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
01:15 Fr. Josiah's Conversion
08:09 Why not Catholicism?
21:00 Reunification Between East and West
28:50 Orthodox Perspective on the Reformation
40:10 Scripture and Tradition
45:57 Sola Scriptura
51:32 Salvation in the Orthodox Church
54:13 Conclusion
We are all Orthodox. Some just don’t know it yet.
Father Josiah was one of the biggest influences in my journey to Orthodoxy. April 19 it will be 10 years. ☦️🙏🏻❤️
I was born in Greece, born orthodox and raised as orthodox but listening about the journey of the non Greeks and non orthodox into the Orthodox faith and Church gives me chills. I am learning so much about my faith form the converts!!!
I am a convert to Orthodoxy. My family heritage is Slav/Irish. However, I decided to take the name of a Greek, Μάρκος Ευγενικός, when I was Chrismated.
I am so happy us converts can teach you things about the faith, but also remember, you have much to teach us as well. Together, we form a much stronger whole.
I also want to visit Greece so bad! My wife went several years ago when she was in college. But that was before she was Orthodox as well, and she said she never got a chance to fully appreciate it. God-willing, we will go there in the next few years. Hopefully I can even get a chance to go to Mt. Athos.
Thanks for sharing that!
People who were born in Orthodox environment do not appreciate this gift of love fully, we take it for granted. That is why these " stories" of our brothers and sisters who had to go through hard times to get there where we were from the start (but did not know), are also very useful for us. Thank you and God bless you all and your work! IC XC NI KA
@@biljanamiljkovic4646 ppl
@@tmcc1647That is so cool!!
The best thing I have done is convert to the Orthodox church..what a blessing.
Thanks for sharing!
You are absolutely right.. Praise the Lord... God's blessings
Amen
Me too!
I am practicing catholic .... but i have suddenly in last 6 months or so paid close attention to orthodox channels. There are a lot a very good orthodox priests, bishops and speakers on Orthodox faith and Christian faith. They are very inspiring
I'm a reformed presbyterian and I feel the call to the Orthodox church.
Hey, Im Eastern Orthodox. I can help with questions if you want to.
I can help you with your questions. I'm not a theologian but any question Im unable to answer, I take it to my parish father. I have a discord where we can talk if you have a microphone. If you are interested please say so, and I will post my discord info so that you can add me.
@@voievod9260
Alright...what's the Orthodox doctrine on biblical eschatology (study of biblical last days, second coming, judgement day, etc). Make it a written reply.
I am to. I’ve been investigating for almost a year. Some things I wrestle with but the overall theology/teaching are deeper and wider more beautiful and makes more sense than evangelical, Baptist etc.
@@70AD-user45 eschatology in the Orthodox Church, as you think of it (maybe, if you believe in the eschatology, that these end time pedalers profit from), I believe is not existent. The todays eschatology theory/ story is a more recent belief. It’s only been around for 100-150 years.
@@t-bonet-bone713
The rapture was invented in 1820 by John Nelson Darby. The Orthodox view on eschatology is Amillennialism. The Orthodox Church believes the 2nd coming will be at the end of the New Covenant church age. The New Testament describes something different. The New Testament says Covenant Eschatology is true. The 2nd coming was at the end of the Old Covenant age, meaning it was fulfilled in 70 AD.
Born in South Africa, raised in the Dutch Reformed Calvinist Church, and now converting to Orthodoxy. Praise be to God
I’m Catholic and Father Josiah hits the nail on the head when he talks about modern Catholicism. He will be the reason I convert to Orthodoxy
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
I am Roman Catholic and I have been exploring Eastern Orthodoxy online since a Protestant friend sent me a link to a video by Father Spyridon, an Anglican convert to the Russian Orthodox Church in England. His videos are short (under 10 minutes) , spiritually strengthening, and calming to the soul. Like Father Josiah, Father Spyridon speaks the truth and does not sugarcoat the road the salvation. I am seriously considering conversion to Eastern Orthodoxy, and my next step is to visit a Greek Orthodox church less than two miles from my home. My main reason for dissatisfaction with Catholicism is there seems to be less reverence during the Mass now than during the 1970s. I desire a more liturgical and reverent worship of God. He is most worthy and deserving of this.
Wait until you find out that EO has their own conflicts and schisms as well. Confront yourself
@SpookyOwl23 I was raised agnostic or non-denominational. At my first Divine Liturgy, that reverence is exactly what made me immediately realize I was home and convert to the Orthodpx Church. I understand what you feel. I wish and pray for the best on your journey, God bless you and your family
@@theguyver4934 nice try. Get your dawah out of here.
To all Fr Josiah said about the Catholic Church “on the ground.” Amen, amen, and amen! God have mercy on us and may the heretics in our leadership be dealt with ASAP!
What is your main reason for not becoming Orthodox?
I remember when you visited my old Byzantine Catholic Church near Dallas. I am Orthodox now. Not because of scandals in Rome (even though there are many), but because I could no longer convince myself that you could be “Orthodox in communion with Rome.” There is much in the Orthodox faith that is incompatible with current Roman Catholic teachings (especially Vatican I & II).
I pray for unity. But it must be born out of truth and not compromise.
Hey Matt! Love your show. It was really the first way I was introduced to the more intellectual side of the Catholic faith. Thanks for that! I appreciate you being able to recognize the validity of some of his concerns here. It's always refreshing when people can critique their own "side." Hearing his critiques also reminded me of how lucky I am that my first real experience with the Catholic Church has been at St. John Cantius. In any case, thanks for all you're doing, and thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! God bless
@@tmcc1647 The papacy, for one. I accept it. The chaos you see on the ground in Catholicism (which I readily grant) is seen all throughout Orthodoxy at a structural level. The Moscow-Constantinople schism, for example.
@@GospelSimplicity Oh wow, awesome. Thanks so much!
My pleasure! I suppose I could also say I have you and your show to thank/blame for some restless nights and complicating my life by making me wrestle through these things, but I am grateful that you opened up this world of questions for me.
I love how Father Trenham just speaks the truth. He has no desire to people please at all.
While also being charitable. He’s a rare mix with that
And in the latter, he succeeds, Andrew D
Nobody who calls a group of people offensive names is a friend in my book. You can preach against homosexuality without calling them petty, hurtful names.
@Irina Popa ah yes, feel good Catholicism. As a Catholic myself, this is one of the most distressing things happening right now. The heresy of modernism has infected the highest levels of the Roman curiae, and I fear it could potentially lead to another schism. Modernism starts out sounding altruistic, but quickly becomes all-corrupting. Traditional Catholics are quickly becoming one of the most persecuted "classes" of people, and it's because we dare to criticise the churches erosion of values and the diluting of her oldest traditions. There are movements happening as we speak to restore the old tradition, and I think things are starting to turn back around, thanks be to God. My Orthodox brothers and sisters have the right idea with preserving the deepest expression of worship in the Devine Liturgy. When Rome attempted to make changes to make Liturgy more "relatable" or to create more "congregational involvement", it opened Pandora's box and allowed the smoke of Satan to obscure the most beautiful expression of worship. And praise Jesus, recent years have begun to bear fruits in regard to the restoration of tradition. We now have the Tridentine rite again which includes the traditional Latin Mass and the old Liturgical calendar as an acceptable alternative to the Novis Ordo. Along with the Eastern church rites Catholics have plenty of opportunity to fulfill their need to express their traditional values. I pray these values will be the medicine to modernism, and draw more Catholics to back to pure worship.
Irina Popa o
a baptist here whos feeling a strong calling to the orthodox church
❤
I am so excited to become Orthodox! I start the process to join in just two days, and I have never been so excited for anything in my life. The worship and temple are so beautiful, and you can tangibly feel the presence of God. I truly believe Orthodox Christianity is the best kept secret in America/the west.
And once you receive your Holly Communion remember our Lord’s words. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. Therefore we become One and remain within each other. Welcome my brother!!
Glory to God! ☦️
I went from Roman Catholic to orthodox 4 years ago, since then I've taken 5 friends with me.
The BEST DECISION I've ever made.
All that most serious catholics need to convert to orthodoxy is to actually get to know it.
Honestly, it's the same for "serious protestants". I pray that one day all the fractured branches return home. The one Holy Catholic and Apostolic, Church.
Serious Catholics stay in the church. And I actually have been attending Josiah’s church for the past 2 years. I love Orthodoxy as well.
Father Josiah is one of the biggest reasons that I left Lutheranism and am now attending an Orthodox Church.
Thanks for sharing! I’m sure he’d be honored to hear that
Amen and likewise!
maybe I'll have to buy that book, because his description of salvation and use of tradition is similar to what I've been taught as a Lutheran. It still sounds to me that the Lutheran reformers and Orthodox patriarch mainly had a difference of understanding in language (wasn't translated well) and difference of context (west/Roman abuses, east/Islamic conquest).
I still can't really see what the fundamental difference was, though now after the abuses of 'dead orthodoxy', excessive 'pietism', the influence of the enlightenment, the calvinistic English vocabulary and the Americanised liturgies, now I can see differences.
@@j.g.4942 Buy the book. The differences are profound.
Father Josiah Trenham is a Champion of the Christian faith. His dialogue is so edifying for me that I wish I'd found his ministry sooner!
I was raised protestant, fell away from church, came back into the evagelical church world - for 10 years - then was called to Holy Orthodoxy in 2019. Becoming an Orthodox Christian is the greatest thing thats ever happened to me.
As a Catholic I love my orthodox brothers and sisters
They don't love you back.
It is unfortunate we were one Church not withstanding from the very beginning Rome had always problems within the Roman Patriarchate. With all the changes the Heresies and Roman Inventions. Years ago i had asked a roman catholic bishop if he sees a way for the two churches to unite again and again to my surprise he yelled NEVER 🥲🥲
Hi guys, from Romania, as an orthodox! Here, more than 90% of our people are orthodox, and the fact that our country and tradition still live today, is because of the Church mainly. So glad to see how you guys love the Orthodox Church and appreciate it's real value. Love you guys and let's learn more and more about the truth of Orthodoxy!
Thanks for sharing that!
Our Sponsor and daughter's God-mother are Romanian-can't wait to visit there!
Can I move to your town?
My family is from romania too, but from transylvania and catholic hungarians
Greetings from Orthodox Macedonia ☦️
I’m an Anglican but I feel like I’m a spiritual journey to the Orthodox Church
Run, don’t walk. Time is short.
One of our local priests was originally Anglican and runs a Western Rite parish. Great guy. Look up "Fr. Elija ROCOR western rite" and email him your questions.
Repent
Raised A Catholic, received into the fullness of the Orthodox Church 30 yrs ago . Never looked back.
Bless you (as a Roman Catholic brother).
@@WhiteBraveheart1 I am not you’re latin brother.
@@Ettoredipugnar "Whatever you do for the least of my brethren, you do for me" -- Jesus Christ
@@WhiteBraveheart1 what did I do other than correct you’re correct you’re understanding of my original post ?
@@Ettoredipugnar Sure.
What did you mean by, "I am not you're Latin brother?"
God Bless
Simply wonderful, we Orthodox in Brazil are very grateful to have the immeasurable prestige of hearing the words of Fr Josiah!! God bless!
Glad you enjoyed it!
My wife is Brazilian and she becomes Orthodox on our daughter's birthday/baptism, which is the Saint day of St Thais. A very Brazilian name, so that will be our daughter's baptism name. You have a beautiful biscopo there as well.
I’m obsessed with your channel. As a Catholic convert who was previously protestant (before that atheist and before that raised Muslim), I just find these videos so fascinating and enjoyable to watch and grow and learn. 🤍
Thank you so much for sharing that! I’m so glad to hear that you’re enjoying it. God bless!
That’s interesting. How’d you go from Muslim, to atheist, to Protestant? I’d love to hear your story.
@@austinadams9464 I would love to hear more too.
waw! what a journey!
Damn brother, you've been run through the ecumenical mill I'm surprised you weren't Jewish at some point to with Buddhist tendencies. Lol
YES!!!!!!! Super excited for this one! - current Orthodox Catechumen
Hope you enjoyed it!
Great job @Hunter R! I got catechized this year August 16, 2020. I was raised as a Pentecostal Christian. I’m also part of the Greek Archdiocese of America. What were you raised as? What archdiocese are you in?
@@elijahc.brooks3493 I am in the Antiochian. I was raised Word of Faith/Charismatic/Pentecostal “I followed people such as: Kenneth E. Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Andrew Wommack, Benny Hinn, Todd White, Robert Morris, Keith Moore, etc”
@@hunterricks9003 Yeah, I never felt home because my family and I kept moving church to church every 4 years. The last pastor of mine was Jentezen Franklin at Free Chapel. No offense to modern Christianity, but it ain’t for me. Thank God you and I found the Eastern Orthodox Church. Lastly, it’s an awesome thing that I love history. What prevented you from becoming Roman Catholic?
@@elijahc.brooks3493 Indeed! There were a few things that prevented me from becoming Roman Catholic. 1. The Orthodox have issues here and there because men are involved “whom are imperfect”, but their issues pale in comparison to the Roman Catholics.Their biggest problem appears to be secularism but that is one of the hundreds. 2. They have detached themselves from the early church via new doctrines and Vatican Two. Of course, the Orthodox are still the early church. Not only have they detached themselves from the early church, but they have lost their very soul “as a church” with the Novus Ordo mass “Vatican 2” which is extremely stripped down. 3. I was first introduced to a Western Rite Orthodox Priest “who was also trained in the Greek” before I was ever introduced to a Catholic Priest. So, I learned to appreciate the Orthodox faith/life in a western setting which helped my transition. 4. The Pope makes me a little eery. He has done many things throughout his tenure that should greatly alarm the faithful Catholic; especially the Orthodox. 5. The thinking of the Orthodox, even within the Western Rite “which is just solely the original and very Orthodox Gregory mass; matins; etc being utilized”, is very different because it is eastern “which I think helps us understand the Faith better; especially since the faith was originally Eastern”. I heard this analogy from an Antiochian Deacon Ezra “Oklahoma City”: If you go to a westerner and tell him to find out everything there is to know about trees, he/she will find a great tree, cut it down, and study the rings “and from this he can tell the seasons, age, etc”. If you go up to an easterner, they will instead grow a tree and after 30-40 years of growing that tree he/she will be able to tell you everything there is to know about it.
This is such a beautiful description of the Orthodox faith. Greetings from The Orthodox Church of India.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@GospelSimplicity Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
@@theguyver4934ok then show me this " early " creed that apparently predates the gospel and writings of Paul. And that apparently disproves the things you brought up .and regarding Jesus and his followers being vegetarians well the gospel contradicts that.
Born and raised Roman Catholic, and grateful for the foundation it set in my life. I was Chrismated into the Orthodox Church, a year n a half ago. 🙏☦
I'm sure that was quite the journey!
What drew you to your new faith I find my self want to know more about it
Being Chrismated is not enough to be a true orthodox you need to be immersed in the water that’s what Baptism means thrice in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit
Glory to God❤
@Aristy Liousas My Chrismation was approved by his Emenice, Biship Isiah, of the Greek Archdiocese of America. I'd show you my certificate, but your approval is not needed. Was the thief on the cross baptized? I'm certain he made it to paradise. To be a Christian is imitate Christ. I'll pray for you.
I am a convert to the Orthodox Church from Catholicism and went through the period of Vatican II. When I first walked into an Orthodox Church was at the funeral of St. John Maximovitch of San Francisco. Crossing the threshold I knew I was home. It was the first time my soul was truly awakened.
Wow! That's quite the first experience
My experience entering my local orthodox ministry church (a year ago last mother's day) was the same. The feeling was immediate and palpable. Undoubtedly a holy place.🙏. All glory to our beautiful Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
The Holy Spirit leads those who seek. Orthodox pray that may God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven!
So what will heaven be like? Only God knows, but it's going to be amazing!
I was raised Orthodox Christian and while I still find much agreement with its teachings, have been disappointed by the worship in some of the churches (similar to Fr. Josiah’s disappointment with Protestant and Catholic). All to say it has been challenging to find a church of any denomination that approaches our Lord with fear and reverence and devotion. Likewise, difficult to find congregations hungry for His word and Pastors who provide the expository teachings I love from the reformed faith.
I’ve learned that the church in this fallen world will have 3 types of disciples - devout, nominal, and Judases. May we be faithful to Christ regardless and pray for those who may be subject to our Lord’s winnowing fork.
Father Josiah is great spring of wisdom. He’s real “lion” of Orthodoxy, and you can feel that when he speaks. He’s definitely a bit rough around the edges though and doesn’t mince words 😆.
He's great. I really enjoyed getting the chance to talk with him. He's definitely a straight-talker, but I found him to be quite charitable as well
@@GospelSimplicity indeed - I share your opinion. He's a real man, but doesn't go about carelessly with his words.
He's neither left, nor right, but very much on the Royal Road.
“Rough around the edges”? By any worldly standard, I’m sure.
His being direct is a blessing. He was not uncharitable. But he knows to speak Christ in or out of season. God bless him! I hope God moves to reunite us. We need each other
@@strugglingathome If you listen to some of Fr. Josiah's teachings, to his own church, about Catholics and Protestants, you'll have to agree with walrus king 14. Fr. Josiah are at times rather hostile towards "non-Orthodox Churches".
Though, here he did an excellent job.
I was raised in a Polish/Italian-American Catholic family. My dad was even a Catholic priest before meeting my mother. I know many Catholics who are wonderful Christians, but I feel the Catholic church, as a whole, has strayed from Christianity in many ways. My dad, who passed away in 2014, had never abandoned Christianity, but had not really attended Catholic church regularly since the early 1990s, while my mother, to this day is very involved in the Catholic church.
My wife came from a conservative Southern Babtist family -though she mostly grew up in Las Vegas, and did not attend church as a child; not that her mother lost her Baptist roots, but worked many hours as a police officer, including on the weekends (though my in-laws now attend a NC Baptist church, but I digress...)
I have been interested in learning more about Christian Orthodoxy, and my wife and I are both looking for a Church that sticks to the scriptures. We both believe that it is only through Christ that we will find salvation. We live in the Chicago area, and wish to learn more about the Orthodox church.
Please pray for us that we find the right Chuch; *NOT a Church that "suits us,"* but rather a Church that helps *us* to better serve Christ.
My prayers and blessings to both of you, as well as to everyone in the comment section.
Wow, what an interesting story! Thanks for sharing that. I wish you and your wife the best of luck in this journey.
Excellent mindset on your search! I'm Greek Orthodox. God will lead you as you pray.
The Holy Spirit leads, and in that God's will be done in your life.
May your path be illumined❤
I just watched this. I have to say that Fr. Josiah is compelling in how he presents the Orthodox faith. His unequivocal truth telling is wonderful. As a former Protestant pastor who converted to the Catholic Church, he gives me much to consider. Like Fr. Josiah, my desire is to be part of the faith once for all delivered to the saints.
This trend of Christian TH-cam towards understanding, balancing, maybe even healing this Catholic-Orthodox-Protestant divide has been such a blessing to see!
It may take some time before this reaches the top of our respective hierarchies, but thanks for facilitating the conversation ✊🏾
It’s my pleasure! I love seeing this trend
@@GospelSimplicity have you read T F torrance? I like reformers like him..
@@matrixlone Torrance is one of my greatest theological influences
Catholic-Orthodox need healing and reconciliation. Only Jesus can do this. The current pope is not teaching according to the 2000 year tradition or dogma. One day though. I can't wait!! I was raised Byzantine and love Orthodoxy and Pre-Vatican Latin Mass!! Protestants, there is only One faith given by Jesus and passed down through the apostles (Apostolic Succession) through the laying on of hands. One day, One Faith, One Communion in ChristJesus!!!
I recommend Truth Unites YT channel. He's very gracious in his discussions and breakdowns.
As a Protestant I appreciate Fr. Josiah’s charitable dialogue even if we disagree on things
You disagree on what?
Can you pinpoint your disagreement?
I get this a lot from many Protestant family members.
They just disagree without knowing or worse, understanding why.
It's sad to me the lack of love in these comments.
If you disagree, say why. Unless you do not understand your own foundation or position. ❤
I’m a lifelong Protestant on my way home to the Orthodox Church! I regret not investigating sooner!
Welcome!
God bless you!
Man, between Fr. Josiah and Fr. Truebenbach I am learning and understanding so much about Orthodox Christianity. Thank you.🙏🏽
What an excellent and intelligent well informed humble protestant interviewer, interviewing an excellent articulate learned and humble orthodox priest. Magnificent. Most informative.
Glad you enjoyed it!
See I told you that you needed to consider the Orthodox faith. Not only can you marry that girl and become a priest, but you get the Church that really hasn't compromised. I am also a Moody Grad and am in the process of joining the Orthodox Church. I have two degrees from Moody a BA and MA so I am leaving that all behind. Blessing Brother.
Haha thanks! I find a lot to commend in the Orthodox church. I really respect what a big step that must be for you. God bless!
Become a priest and still get to take a wife. Best of both Worlds! What's holding you back!
As a past Moody student, who converted to Orthodoxy, this is very interesting to listen to, and I enjoy watching your videos on Orthodoxy. Fr. Josiah is a wonderful priest!
That's awesome to hear! I bet that's quite the story
@@GospelSimplicity I left Moody in 2019, Fr. Alexander at Holy Trinity Cathedral is a very holy priest. I would recommend talking to him. That was my home parish while I was up there.
@@Anna-yx5bo I’ll check it out! I’ve been to Christ the Savior a few times and have two videos coming out from there
@@Anna-yx5bo Man, that's so nuts! I left Moody in 2019 after doing my first year online and ended up becoming Orthodox. My experience there was so disorienting that I started studying the formation of the Canon and it led me to the Church.
I went to Moody as well and became Catholic in my 3rd year. I left Moody early as it is wrong to take free tuition from donors expecting me to minister in the protestant faith. I dabbled in EO for a bit but found the Catholic faith to be the truth and still alive today.
Catholic here. Fr. Trenham is the man.
He's great
I'm Catholic too and I think Fr. Trenham is a joy to listen to
Dear Fr. Josiah and Austin, lots of appreciation from an Eastern Catholic here.
I just wanted to clarify - filioque is not recited in liturgy in Eastern and Oriental Catholic rites; they are all however in union with Church of Rome. We also have Catholic Patriarchs for each of our Particular churches (representing the East and Orient), all in union in Church of Rome.
Also synodality is seen in the way Canon law is laid out. The Catholic canon for East and Orient is consistent with their own tradition and histories. They is hence pluriformity within the Catholic Church.
Now may God continue to aid and bless your work of bridge building, and mutual understanding :)
Thanks for sharing! Hoping to set up an interview and tour with an Eastern Catholic priest at some point
@@GospelSimplicity Thank you for your work, Austin. Through you, may many hearts be moved to onenness and union.
In Kerala, where I have my roots; I have seen the Orthodox and Catholics demonstrate fraternal ties. Many priests from both worlds, work and teach together on several occasions.
Orthodox sacraments are all considered valid among Catholics. Also Orthodox can take sacraments in Catholic Church.
May all of this be just the beginning of visible signs of oneness. Also let us hope for an increase in charity and joy within the hearts of all people! I suspect fraternity and unity would be natural in a world filled with such people :)
Keep up your spirit, Austin. May our Triune God be with you in your personal journey towards him.
@stopaskingmynamegoogle Dear Friend in Christ, thank you for sharing your thought and experience.
May I suggest that you read the Eastern Orthodox philosopher David Bentley Hart, and his approach to filioque. That will help you see why these articulations - Orthodox and Catholic - though marginally different - are not irreconcilable. Also Orthodox Metropolitan Timothy Ware's recent writings and lectures on this could help too.
May you receive the peace of Christ, and may some day we be one in him who made us.
With best wishes
Tiju
Thank you for making this point. I was hoping someone would clarify this. I am sympathetic to the Orthodox position on this. I feel, however, that too rigid a stance is taken by some. There must be an openness in understanding both perspectives. At the highest levels, when the Pope meets with Patriarchs, it does not feel like this is a barrier to unity. I would also say that unity can take many forms, very much like the relationship of the Roman Catholic Church to her Eastern Rites (and those Anglicans who entered into communion with Rome).
How is it that Roman Catholics find it acceptable to confess multiple creeds? Unity of faith is meant to be the meaning of the word 'catholic.' If you confess different creeds, how can you have the same faith? Why is this not hugely problematic for the average Roman Catholic?
In peace,
a genuinely confused Orthodox Christian
Fr Josiah Trenham is great. His book "Rock and Sand" is a must read. I'm glad people like you are making this type of content but be careful because once you start this journey it's hard to remain protestant! God bless you and if your ever end up Catholic or Orthodox I'll be happy for you. Took me three years of this to finally commit to Orthodoxy.
It's a great book! Ha, I was just having a long conversation about that dynamic
So true! 😆
When Protestant friends ask me, "What happened?" and why I'm so different (in a good way) now I tell them, "Careful how many questions you ask because you may get answers." 😁🙏
I agree with your comment on “Rock and Sand”. I read it twice. It is essential for all interested in the subject
I am very new to the orthodox christian faith. What book would you recommend i read.
@@Chrisc-sn6uh you could probably start with Welcome To the Orthodox Church by Frederica Mathewes-Green. It has an audio book version read by her too in case you're into audio format too. It gives you an overview of the Orthodox Church in a nutshell.
After that maybe go check out a vesoers service or a Liturgry. The parishioners are always welcoming and will be happy to answer your questions.
I want to say this:
The fact that you actually saw the genius of Kevin's interview skills, says a lot about your quality and insight.
You managed with minimum input to get amazing content from this priest, although I've been following him for years now.
Terrific job!
Thank you so much! I really appreciate that. It’s a new skill I’m working to develop, and I’m trying to learn what I can. I was amazed by Kevin’s quality
Who is Kevin?
I've always sensed that the Catholic church is the intellectual, scholarly approach to the faith and instinctively it feels wrong. I've never walked into a Catholic church and been greeted warmly. And I've been to many now! I walked into a Orthodox church last weekend for the first time and the Farher did not hesitate to stop what he was doing and speak to me and ask me how I got there. He offered to talk with me at coffee hour if i had questions. He was such a warm nice man. The deacons wore their babies on their backs. It was so incredibly sweet. The Liturgy was beautiful. They were so kind. I sat the whole time because I had a bad infection in my leg im dealing with right now called cellulitis, but no one judged me or I wouldve told them. They all invited me to fellowship and coffee after. It was a very sweet experience.
This is a wonderful video. I was RC for 62 years & converted to Russian Orthodox Church by baptism & Chrismation 14 years ago. It's the best thing I have ever done.
Fr Josiah is a wonderful ambassador of Orthodoxy. Thanks for having him on.
My pleasure!
Ah! You briefly mentioned the three tenses being used to speak of salvation. I came to that realization on my own at the age of 14, having been raised Baptist and believing "once saved, always saved." I noticed the scriptures say it all three ways. You were saved. You are being saved. You will be saved.
Yep, and it really depends on a perspective of what salvation really is and what it means....what its purpose....deep stuff
This. This is something that we Protestants just seemed to miss.
Father Josiah is great priest! My cousin goes to st Andrew's. You .just visit a liturgy. That is thee ONLY way to experience Orthodox Church! ☦🕊
He's great! I've actually been going every week for the past three weeks
So true, experience is everything.
I'm an Anglican, but the Eastern Orthodox Church and its theology really helps to strengthen my faith. God bless my beloved brothers and sisters in the Church
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
Oh WOW! This will be a great conversation! I'm not Orthodox yet( looking into it) and father Josiah Trenham was the one who peeked my curiosity into Orthodox started with his interview based on his book Rock and sand (I could be wrong on the title). I really really enjoy listening to him great speaker and he says things that make me dig into scripture. I'll definitely will be watching this interview. God bless your ministry (Gospel simplicity) praying for you on this journey brother🙏❣️ This is exciting 😊
You got the title right! We talk about that book here. Hope you enjoy the interview!
The interview about his book also was significant to me. It was one of several important moments that moved me towards Orthodoxy. As a former Protestant, listening to someone that has travelled the road you are standing at the crossroads of is very impactful because you can relate so closely to the same questions and struggles. At the crossroads I chose to change my trajectory and headed east. I could no longer ignore what I’d learned of the historical church (which I had never been taught!). I became orthodox in July.
@@keshab9533 it is so important I believe to have the attitude you have, to seek the truth wherever it leads. Take your time, I was Protestant for 45 years. Orthodoxy is a change in mindset and practice in many ways, not change of core beliefs It is an expansion or maybe one way to describe it as explosion of beauty of faith, worship and prayer. Go to a church that is in English and experience the Devine Liturgy. You will have sensory overload but that’s ok as is so different from what you’re used to, do don’t worry about it. I will give you a link to some amazing orthodox primer videos. Basically made to prepare you for what you will see in church plus some on other basic orthodox topics to help you. They are very short but awesome .
@@forevermore6065 Thank you
@@keshab9533 one of the most significant stops on my journey to orthodoxy that got me seriously considering orthodoxy, was a DVD series offered at the Orthodox Church I attended a year ago called “A journey to fullness” with Father Barnabas Powell(former pentecostal). This is Very good. Perhaps a Orthodox Church near you may be offering this ? Here is a promo video: th-cam.com/video/ozefTDtJ5V0/w-d-xo.html but if you aren’t able to find this, Father Barnabas recorded a more informal series “orthodoxy 101 boot camp” which is pretty good: th-cam.com/play/PL13QsE9UAcgyaEOc8FYZ-_V1uSxRmk_c8.html
I'm Catholic now but Fr. Josiah was instrumental in my understanding of Apostolic Christianity. I'm thankful to God for placing Fr. Josiah in my path.
He’s a wonderful teacher
Indeed
🤙🏻
@@gk7754 truth always trumps.
@@gk7754 I was heavily "seeking" - I was raised non-denominational and fell away from Christianity for many years. Two years ago I became convinced of the truths of Christianity in this heavily secular world. I very seriously considered Orthodoxy, I even read Fr. Josiah's book Rock and Sand. In the end I had an experience with the Holy Eucharist at a Catholic Mass that made me feel at home. God bless you on your journey, God will help you.
I am learning a lot from our brothers and sisters of The Orthodox Church. It helps me a lot in my spiritual journey and growth in my relationship with God. God Bless you all!!!
Such a wonderful expositor, with great questions. Thajk you. Anglican, to Protestant evangelical to Catholic now going to pursue Eastern Orthodox. Niagara Falls Canada
I follow you on TH-cam
I am Catholic and I truly love your discussions
It’s organic and genuine
I am Romanian Orthodox and I hope many Christian brothers from other denominations return to Orthodoxy.
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
Fr Trentham is a terrific teacher and apologist for Eastern Orthodoxy.
This interview could have gone on for hours and I would have watched all of it haha. Great episode. Loved his breakdown of how scripture and tradition are inseparable.
Thanks! Man, I could’ve gone on too! Grateful for the time that he took though to do this interview. Hopefully we’ll be able to do another one!
Agree with you, Michael W! It was so edifying.
Fantastic interview! Orthodoxy has a lot to offer, and while of course I hope you one day become Orthodox, I think it’s great you’ve been exploring Christianity and stepping outside of what’s familiar to you. Don’t let anyone pressure into anything, trust God and keep up the amazing work.
Thank you so much. Your approach really means a lot. God bless
This Austin fella is one of the best interviewers I’ve ever seen. Excellent follow up questions, excellent questions in general. Very impressed with that young mans high level ability to interview.
Great discussion overall. Well done.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate that
I was saved in 2013 at age 39 and God has asked me to learn more about Greek Orthodoxy. Thank you for this information!
As an Orthodox Christian I thank you Fr. Josaih. So informative. I'm always learning.
I have an utmost high respect for Fr. Josiah. I’ve listend to his book, “Rock and Sand”, on Audible at least 3 or 4 times. I’m a Catholic who is also seeking out the Orthodox Church, and let me tell you...it is as diverse of an argument that you can get. On the Catholic side, the Orthodox only have to accept the papacy. On the Orthodox side, the Catholic have to reject all of the doctrines that are contradictory to the Faith.
He's great. It really is complex
The Orthodox accepting the Pope is just short for accepting all of the Latin heresies. All those heresies are denounced in the Orthodox Church because they are real impediments of salvation.
The Orthodox Church is in schism and teaches heretical things such as divorce and remarriage (which is contrary to Our Lord’s words in the Gospels!). The Filioque is not a teaching that the Orthodox reject (unlike what this priest presents), because the Eastern Church fathers themselves taught it!
@@KurtGodel432 the orthodox most certainly reject the filioque...
Gospel Simplicity unless they reject the words of a multitude of the Church Fathers and of the Athanasian Creed of course. Not every Orthodox Christian shares the opinion of this priest on the question.
I like listening to Fr Josiah.
I'm a Catholic and not going anywhere.
fr trenham's voice is so relaxing
That's true
YES! I am so pumped for this. I wish I could like this 1,000 times, haha!
Hope you enjoy it!
1:55 Grew up Presbyterian
5:45 Independent Study 📖
8:25 Catholic friends
• Defends Life • Promotes Family
10:50 The Worship Service was unsatisfying
16:35 Who has maintained their doctrine? The Orthodox Church.
16:55 The Filioque Doctrine appears around 1,009 in the Roman Papacy
19:22 Petrine Authority, Papal Superiority
21:43 Great Schism 😢 💔
29:43 Protestants, what did they get right and what did they get wrong?
• commitment to missionary work
• the zeal of them
• devotion to scripture
• Luther had a sense things were wrong, and they were
32:50
Orthodox 🤝 Protestants
Not believing in Purgatory
Against Indulgences
52:00 Salvation.
Repent
Be Baptized
Wash Away Sins
What an excellent chat 🙏🏻
Dude this is gonna be EPIC!!!
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@@GospelSimplicity seriously, brother. So glad I found your channel. Very awesome content and it’s really cool how open your are in the search for truth. God bless you and yours. Christ have mercy. ☦️
@@IAMFISH92 grateful to have you here! God bless
Glory to God for using you and Fr. Josiah to share the Orthodox faith on this platform. There's nothing like it, when I became orthodox after years of wandering in Hinduism and Protestant "denominations" I found the church. All I can say is once I was joined to the body of Christ I felt like I was at the wedding at Cana "Every man serves the good wine first, and when the guests are drunk, then he serves the poorer wine; but you have kept the good wine until now".
Through the prayers of the holy father, lord Jesus Christ have mercy on us and save us.
Thanks for sharing some of your story! God bless
Hinduism?
@@dmy_tro Yes the lacking I found in Protestantism led me to fall away to look for God in other religions. I came away with a mixture of the two with a warped christology and soteriology “universalism”. I had been dabbling in things like yoga and esoteric nonsense, which in hindsight damaged me on a deep level. Glory to God for his great mercy!
Hey man, I love how you made the connection between Christ serving the best wine last, and you yourself finding the orthodox faith at last. I will be 40 in about a week, and I have spent 40 years in the wilderness. Truly. I want to be in the promised land too. Very badly.
Austin, this is a fantastic interview. You are eloquent and incisive.
Thank you so much!
@BEES MNS srsly can’t tell if ur srs
@BEES MNS this is ridiculous and why Gender Ideology is insane. People who don't fit stereotypes are not the opposite gender!
There is only one Church: .."one body, one faith, one baptism..."
Indeed
Amen
@@GospelSimplicity begomeee
I never knew that the NIV version of the Bible deliberately used different words for “traditions” in the Bible to make them look bad. That’s dishonest and extremely concerning.
Nor did I
We can't trust Protestants with such matters.
It's not just the NIV. KJV and ESV, as the most prominent Protestant translations do the same thing with other matters. For example, it's pretty obvious that the Psalms have been heavily edited with Reformed theology in the ESV. I don't even bother with the other Protestant translations
@@BodilessVoice Protestant translations are generally more trustworthy than not, because they often are produced ecumenically, employing the work of numerous translators from many different denominations, and sometimes also from non-Protestant traditions (like Catholic, Orthodox, and Messianic Jews). This typically means one translator's personal biases, or one denomination's particular doctrines, don't easily end up in the finished product. It's not a fool-proof guarantee, but it is a good and reasonable safeguard. Often times, the biases that make it into the final translation are more incidental than intentional. When a majority of the translators are Protestant, then the majority will naturally be blinded to their particularly Protestant biases.
I wish more translations in general would have a fairly equal mix of Protestant, Orthodox, Catholic, and Messianic translators to help lessen these biases overall.
This example of παράδοσις is, however, an example of quite a strong bias and intentional manipulation that should have been called out and countered somewhere along the process. It has not persisted into the newer updates and revisions of the NIV, thankfully.
redimerfortitudo That’s unfortunate. I wonder how that got through the Augustine Institute’s editing of the new Catholic ESV
Best interview yet! Loved this conversation! I only wish it could be a few hours longer!
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it!
Exactly same feeling
Same
I am fascinated by your humility Austin, great work!
Thanks!
Mauricio Rocha - thanks for mentioning this about Austin. He is a very good listener and is very respectful of the priests from other faiths. His humility does show. For a young guy starting out on significant bible and theology study, Austin shows a great deal of respect for others in their endeavors.
@@richardbenitez7803 Glory be to God! Very good observations!
Such a great interview.
Fr.Josiah has sound Orthodox knowledge and Austin is one of the nicest maturest young men that knows how to interview. Very respectful and intelligent.
We are from the traditional calendar Orthodox church.
A very concise and well spoken presentation of the orthodox point of view. I looked into the Orthodox faith for many years before finally becoming Catholic. You mentioned Michael Lofton's interview. His channel is good for getting an accurate portrait of the differences and discussions between Orthodox and Catholic believers. I appreciated Fr Josiah's firm but charitable presentation of the Orthodox view's against the Catholic. I disagree in the end with many of his conclusions, especially his historical analysis. But the manor in which he communicates is the manner that these discussions should be had, with unapologetic truth and charity. Thank you for this interview, very well done.
Thanks for such a balanced approach!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine
He’s got very valid criticism of the Catholic faith in the US today (I say as a believing Catholic). The traditional Catholics make some of the same arguments. I often think of how Old and New Testament times are mirror of each other (with Christ as the beginning and end). The mirror goes right down to the split between the kingdoms. And just as with the people of God in the Old Testment had times of faithfulness and times of wackidoodle stuff, so do we. But God is still true. Even when Eli’s sons are not. I really look at Orthodox as family. We are like relatives at thanksgiving dinner who aren’t speaking to each other yet still share the same feast.
Thanks for the balanced approach!
As an Orthodox priest I must say that we can not have any kind of union with the Roman church as long as papal supremacy and infallability remain as dogma. In addition there are many other dogmatic errors of Rome that can not be papered over. The ecumenical movement is meaningless to truly sppiritual people.
@@tyxikosgatpopoulos4004 What do you understand these dogmas to mean?
@@francophone. Papal infallability,the immaculate conception of Mary , the assumption of Mary, the college of cardinals,the fillique the use of communion of only 1 kind for the laity for starters.
@@tyxikosgatpopoulos4004 I meant not what are they (I realize that my question wasn't worded that well), but how do you understand them? What do they mean, according to you?
I don’t know how I missed this talk with Fr Josiah. This man is gift to us all, from Christ.
Thank you, this brought me so much peace
Thank you so much! I'm an Orthodox convert as well, so I really appreciate the content. I think Father Josiah did a good job going to bat for holy Orthodoxy.
My pleasure! I totally agree
Thank you for your efforts!
It's my pleasure! Hope you enjoy the interview!
This is so great! I’ve watched it 3 times! And will again!
Great interview, Austin! Which is to say that...I believe that you're well on your way, your journey to becoming Orthodox. Keep up the good work! Signed, a watcher of your channel who, for the past 2 years, have been on my own journey to becoming Orthodox. AS one boils it all down, there truly is no other option, if one's goal is to receive the fullness of the faith. Father Josiah is a tremendous and inspiring source; I hope to see more Father Josiah interviews on your channel.
Dang... This guy... I will have to watch this one several times!
He’s great!
Look up The Arena for his sermons on any podcast platform. He's a great orator.
@@bpowell7999 Thx!
What an unusual prospective into Orthodox faith you helped to provide, Austin. Thank you. After almost 30 years of conversion from atheism, I still have much to discover and learn.
Glad you found in interesting!
Thank you so much Austin for this conversation ❤🙏
My pleasure!
God bless you Fr Josiah.Ihave learned important lessons from this interview which will guide me in making new choices in my Christian life.
Thank you for another great video! This is among my very favorites! So outstanding---relevant, well explained, and truthful regarding distinctions between RC and Orthodox, and much more in my humble opinion.
Father Josiah Trenham is a blessing to listen to. Thank you Austin for setting this up 👍
well Father. It seems we have some stuff in common. I was Presbyterian for 35 years. My wife is Bulgarian and her father is a orthodox priest. I converted 10 years ago. I'm currently a Subdeacon. I haven't gone to seminary yet but I plan to. I will become a priest someday God willing! create in me a clean heart oh God and renew a right spirit within me! I remember walking into the Orthodox Church for the first time and I was blown away. Praise God.
Fr Josiah explained the sola problem very well. The most succinct I’ve heard,
God bless you Father Joshiah.. Greetings from Indonesian Orthodox
I needed this so much!
Glad to hear that!
This is excellent. Fr. Trenham is compelling.
I must meet this man.
I'm a graduate of The Church of God (now Pentecostal) Theological seminary who is looking at Orthodoxy. The theology and spirituality just enrich me so much.
Great interview! ❤️ I love Father Josiah!
Thanks!
Thank you 🙏 I am grateful for your wonderful videos. And yes! The St. John Cantius tour was a beautiful experience for me. May God bless you richly !
My pleasure! Glad you're enjoying them!
Amazing interview. Thank you!
Great to hear someone who knows what they believe and why.
WOW 10 children! Amazing! Congratulations 🎉
Thanks, Austin! Great video, and to-the-point questions, I think you are going places.
Thanks!
God bless you Fr Josiah.Ihave learned important lessons from this interview which will help me to make new choices in my Christian life.
This was an excellent conversation focused on central and essential issues concerning the Church. Fr. Jasiah is a treasure. Thanks much.
Great interview! Very good questions! I could listen to Fr. Josiah for hours, haha!
Thanks! So could I. He's great!