First Fun Fact: in the Early Funimation Dub: they changed Cell’s explanation of how he survived his explosion. Rather then having a mass inside his head, he said every cell has a life of its own. If even one cell survives, that’s all he needs.
Lol wow. So even then they probably realized the plot hole and rewrote that part. Something that should've been carried over all later tellings of the story/manga rereleases.
So your telling me that DBZ Kai was so loyal to the original manga script that they would keep a plot hole about Cell's cluster of cells in his head as opposed to something that fixes the plot-hole in the original DBZ? okay.
This is not a plot hole but something that have bothered some people about the cell saga and that is how the characters are able to end the saga whatever they want but they just continue to make it even longer. 1- The z fighters could have ended the saga if they destroy the androids before they are awaken. 2- Piccolo could've ended the saga if he one shot cell. 3- Vegeta could've ended the saga, but he didn't because he is a saiyan. 4- Gohan could've ended the saga but instead he wasted time by playing with him. 5- When cell lost 18, the other z fighters could've kill him but they were watching the fight when in fact they could've end the saga.
@Abdullahi Farah I don't think so, if all of the z fighters group attacked semi perfect cell in all directions, then he wouldn't even have a single cell left to regenerate
Trunks being contradictory with time travel is explainable as him initially being misinformed. Nobody Bulma knew has ever gone back in time so maybe they assumed it worked on Back to the Future rules. But when their timeline didn't change it proved the multiverse theory of time travel was right
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Cell was completely surprised he could regenerate from a self destruct. I really don't believe cell understood what his body was capable of after his two new forms. I took it as his understanding was of his imperfect specs.
Cell was born the ultimate biological weapon so in theory, he has the most potential I am not surprised if we go by your comment, Cell’s design was to perfect his flaws over course of time to truly be perfect. Being able to surpass the Sayian’s zenkai and Namekian regeneration makes sense I can also see his cells having life of their own similar to Frieza’s ability to survive horrific injuries despite not being able to regeneration Canon or not, Frieza has amazing endurance.
For the first one that was trunks first jump to the past wasn't it so he could have assumed that it would affect his timeline but after he goes back and sees nothing changed then he learns that going back in time and changing things only affects that timeline
The first two are not plot holes, they are clearly showing that Trunks does not fully understand how the multiverse works when he first appears. Both in that he was unaware of Instantaneous Movement and that he was unaware of his future not changing due to actions in the past.
That's what I was going to say. Even in the anime Trunks learned of the branching timelines when he returned when the Androids arrived. That was when he discovered these actions did not change his future.
The first one isn't a plot hole around all. It is before he ever went back to the Future. So he didn't know that changing past doesn't change HIS present. He was still under the impression that helping Goku will help out His time as well
@@TheSodaShop That’s not even how you interpreted it. That’s literally EXACTLY how Toriyama originally wrote it. When Trunks comes back to the main timeline, he expresses clear confusion that nothing had changed.
But the problem is that trunks had to recognize at the time that his past is different from where he is right now. I can still roughly remember him saying that Goku would arrive on Earth 3 hours later and defeat Freeza. By then some people will die in this time. Trunks wanted to prevent this. So that means that in his past, Goku arrived on earth 3 hours later and wasn't able to teleport or he was asleep and missed rescuing the people or whatever. Trunks should have known from the beginning that Goku can teleport and didn't show up 3 hours later and Freeza and his troops caused chaos during that time. So that means that he should already know at the time that there are two different events. One where Goku could have teleported himself directly to Freeza and one where he couldn't or didn't do it and only arrived 3 hours later.
They establish in both the Namek and Sayian Sagas that the energy required to regrow limbs can take you out of the fight, to the point where Piccolo would rather fight Raditz with one arm than regrow his. I always headcanoned that Cell was surprised because after draining Piccolo's arm he either loses from the martial arts disadvantage or takes a second to regrow his arm and has his power level drop like a rock. Unfortunately for Cell, Piccolo has recently fused with Kami so regen is much less taxing. If that isn't enough, Piccolo only regrows his arm once before on Earth and we know the bots didn't make it to Namek. It's very possible Dr. Gero's computer never got data on the technique as it didn't happen during a fight, especially since the flashback panels imply they got Piccolo's DNA during his fight with Nappa, when he didn't regenerate.
That's what I was thinking too. I really think cell's knowledge of what the zfighters can do isn't based on just having their DNA, but it's based on whatever data was able to be collected. That would really help us to understand things like why he was surprised at Piccolo regenerating, why he uses Destructo Disc instead of Friezas death Saucer, etc.
@@SethirothGaming it also explains the multiform technique, because if I recall manga canon correctly, Tien isn't a part of him, and Piccolo only uses that ability in filler.
No gods who can see all of the universe noticed broly on planet vampa but that isnt cause they didnt explain that it was a concious writting choice and mfs like to pretend there are "holes" in the plot smh 🙄
I like how TFS addressed all these things you mentioned including the multiple timelines and the regeneration part. (Cell regenerated after being blasted by Goku’s Kamehameha) Piccolo: I’m pretty sure I can’t do that Cell: We’ll figure that out later..
About the " Don't tell my parents or I may never exist" thing. I believe he didn't know any better because it was his first Timetravel, not his third, where he explains everything, and Multiverse theory was to him a theory and nothing else
@@il3fortunato664 This doesn't make sense to me. Why is Trunks being their son obligatory? What about them being related makes it "for the plot?" I'd get it if Trunks were future Gohan in disguise or something but it's honestly something I didn't expect first reading it.
@@drumo2273 Because Vegeta was the only Saiyan on Earth at that time and Bulma was the only woman that was important at the time, you're saying "but she was dating Yamcha and was her boyfriend" and I say yes you're right. Toriyama just make Yamcha a clown, completely ruining the character and being unlikable so that Bulma can merry Vegeta that was the man that was living on Earth and adapting to live as a human being also the only Pure Saiyan Warrior stronger in the group. That make Trunks their son for sake of plot, nothing else.
@@il3fortunato664 I get what you mean now, and I do agree that Yamcha was clowned for no good reason. Still I think using "obligatory" and "for the plot" makes Trunks' existence sound too much like the stars had to align for it to happen. Bulma and Yamcha broke up and she got with Vegeta, that's all there is to it.
I always wondered whatever happened to the timeline Cell came from. Poor Bulma, even her only son has died. She's all alone with only the surviving human population. That can also explain why Beerus and Whis oppose time travel. Creating new timelines is like Jenga. Taking away the foundation and adding new layers will only cause the whole thing to collapse.
yeah will whis and beerus can f off trunks did time travel to safe lfie there is noting worng with safeng lfies not triyng to safe lifes wodo make you in evil pcie shit like beerus noting olapes lame
And *I* always wondered why they had to create a whole new timeline to send Trunks and Mai to, instead of just sending them to the preexisting Cell timeline. Unless both Toriyama AND Toei forgot about that timeline. Even though they love to dip back into the past to milk nostalgia.
@@Ms.FortuneTeller not it’s the one where 17-18 were defeated and cell killed Trunks to go back into our timeline. Funnily enough, we know that Trunks’ androids aren’t as strong as our androids. So we can maybe conclude that that cell wouldn’t be as strong as our cell. But the cell in our timeline isn’t our cell, it’s cell from another universe. Our cell got destroyed with Geros lab. We already know that base cell was around as powerful (without feeding) as Android 17 of our universe so I’m just wondering how powerful (if our cell would have been more powerful) would our cell be ya know? Would SSJ2 even cut it
@@hotnessgaming1396 I'm not sure that the future Androids were weaker. IIRC in one of the versions (I think it's a Trunks chapter in the manga or something, I can't recall), 17 told Gohan that they were holding back the entire time (they were at half power at most), right before they killed him. Trunks didn't know this detail. Also, he can't sense their power. So it's probably less that the present Androids were stronger and more that they didn't hold back as much from the start, since the Z-Fighters were stronger and more prepared (still weaker than the Androids overall).
Regarding the "Trunks afraid of never be born" plot hole, it can be explained with himself not wanting to accidentally stopping his past self to be born in that timeline just because he showed up and reveal earlier than Bulma and Vegeta would fall in love
It’s also likely because Trunks had a misunderstanding of how time travel worked. He was under the belief that if he altered the past then his future would be changed as well, that’s why he traveled back in time in the first place. He only realized this to be incorrect once he returned home and saw that nothing had changed. So it’s likely that Trunks believed that he himself wouldn’t have been born if Bulma and Vegeta knew about his existence.
@@ultraexcalibur1728 he definitely didn't go in the chamber if imperfect cell even before drinking people was able to kill him, and you mean the shut Down device Bulma made? Thoses are only theories
@@ultraexcalibur1728 I said he trunks definitely didn't go into the chamber if the weakest version of imperfect cell was able to kill him, are we clear.
Regarding the fact that Imperfect Cell didn't seem to realise that Piccolo would regenerate, due to his imperfect form it's possible the knowledge was missing or forgotten. I mean he grew up in a test tube tank listening to Dr. Gero's prerecorded messages until he outgrew the tank right? Then later regresses back into "larval form", is it possible in some hairbrained way that Cell's knowledge diminished during this regression and regrowth? That would be a really stupid explanation though, I always just assumed that Imperfect Cell was kinda what his name implies - Imperfect, meaning he was not above forgetting critical information when in a situation where he feels he is not threatened in any way (i.e. when Piccolo submits).
I always felt as though Cell himself didn’t even know he had regenerative abilities until he saw Piccolo do it. At that point Piccolo had only regenerated his arm against Raditz so he hadn’t demonstrated the power much for Gero to study it.
I'd rather have that,the cell saga was ass.the android saga was so cool amd edgy .androids were awesome and killers then 16 was let out.eveything was so cool and then went to crap with cell
@YerrBrke well the original plans for 19 and 20 seem to be introduction of 18 and 17 replacing them and what happened to those two.all in all it seems that whatever pair of androids he wanted to end the arc would be with destruction to a massive extent but cell was made which in my opinionnruiend rhe whole android saga
It's possible that Trunks time traveling caused a disrupt in which Goku would've arrived 3 hours EARLIER, but as he didn't need to, he arrived "on time." That would also mean Frieza arrived 3 hours early as well. In the original timeline, let's say Frieza arrives at 3pm and Goku teleports there at 3pm and kills him. Trunks time travels. Frieza now arrives at 12pm, and Goku WOULD'VE teleported but Trunks steps in and kills Frieza. So Goku rides his ship and arrives at 3pm. Thus, Goku arrives at 3pm in both timelines.
I love time travel, but it's seldom done well and free of paradoxes. Ironically, Toriyama went with one of the most stable structs, multiple timelines. I've been making time maps of various franchises and giving logics to how they work. DBZ's is one of the more complex ones. I'd love to see your mappings for this.
You could explain trunks being confused about how time travel works, saying it's because he is traveling in time for the first time, and he expected to save goku and get to a better future, but then he didn't
The second isn’t a plot hole or an inconsistency. The first time we see Trunks (this Trunks) is the first time anyone has EVER time traveled. And till someone time travels, no matter what theories someone may have had previously as to what of the 3 most prominent timeline thoughts are, you wouldn’t know for sure till it happened. So when Trunk came back home, and Goku was still dead, but more importantly when Bulma still thinks Goku killed Frieza let’s Trunks know 100% how it works. So when he speaks to Krillin later, it’s not a theoretical anymore, he knows how time travel works. The biggest is definitely Cell’s head blowing up. There is no explanation for that.
I always saw it as the Core, you know the shiny black orb in Cell's chest which was mostly untouched by the Transmission Kamehameha, WAS the core and when Cell regrew, the core moved to his head, which also condensed it and made it much harder to destroy as an instinctive unnoticed self-defense mechanism since Cell wouldn't have realized he could be one-shot IF he was caught off guard again. Through this INSTINCTIVE response, Cell became the technically functionally immortal Cell we had at the end, that got super cellular annihilation by Goku and Gohan. As far as Cell knew, the loss of a head was death, but the core held a copy of everything cell had just lost, which was regrown around, and revived Cell in a way he seemed to not know about... and then assumed would ALWAYS be the case, and things went from there...
Trunks always knew that going back in time wasn’t going to change his own timeline. He had always heard how amazing Goku was from his mom, and felt that if he could learn how Goku solved the Androids, he could apply it to his own timeline. Also, he was worried that he would not be born in the abstract sense. That this timeline’s Trunks would not be born and he was worried for a fellow timeline self.
Well, yes, that’s the rewrite Toriyama used to explain the inconsistencies he was creating, thus creating another inconsistency. But when Trunks first showed up, it’s pretty obvious he is referring to himself, and implying that we’re working with Back to the Future style time travel.
@@damkylan3 You also have to remember this was untest technology for hail marry. It's possible that Bulma doesnt know multiworld theory or if there is one set timeline until the switch is flipped.
If that's the case, it really was one GIANT risk. Can you imagine if he returns to find Bulma no longer existing or disappears altogether himself due to the effects?
1) Definitely. The Instant Transmission thing makes no sense because Bulma was present during that fight, and should have known about IT. Which Goku also went out of his way to demonstrate and explain to them all afterwards. 2) I definitely found Trunks' phrasing weird, but I always interpreted it as him not wanting main timeline's version of himself not to be born. Which is reasonable. 3) This is yet another issue with discovery writing, especially when telling a time travel story. Toriyama got a LOT of grief from his editor, but without that we would have gotten 19 & 20 as the final bosses. Yikes... 4) TotallyNotMark made a video explaining how bad Cell's exposition drop was an a narrative level. I recommend it. Basically the point is that Cell was very creepy and enigmatic, then he just explained everything about himself in the most obtuse monologue ever, destroying any element of mystery and fear factor. And yes, it's also continuity swiss cheese... Side note, interesting how Cell is the one who creates the main timeline. 5) People should just accept that there are plot holes and move on. Cells regeneration, and knowledge about his regeneration is inconsistent. He even seemingly forgets that Piccolo can do it too. My plotholes are: 1) Why does Bulma know where Gero's lab is in the main timeline, but not the future? Trunks said that if he knew, he'd be "paying Gero a visit instead of Goku", so how come his Bulma never told him where to find it? TFS Even pokes fun at this one.. 2) Why is Future Gohan so weak compared to Main Gohan who had far less time, training, and motivation? After several years of battle, he's weaker than two weaker versions of 17 & 18 who never use more than half their power to fight him, at least in the manga. In the anime, he does considerably better against the both of them despite their infinite energy, but still, his present timeline counterpart would have easily destroyed them after coming out of the chamber. And why didn't Popo tell them about the chamber anyway? Why didn't Goku contact them from other world? Why didn't King Kai contact the Namekians and ask them to make a wish to revive Piccolo and the others? In my opinion, there are many ways the outcome could have been altered and prevented, if everything was written consistently. But every time I mention it, I get a laundry list of excuses and contrivances that basically amount to fans rewriting the story retroactively to make sense if it.
Don’t have the answers to most of these plotholes but I can come up with a good excuse why Future Gohan isn’t that strong, he merely lacked guidance from experienced fighters like Goku or Piccolo so that may be the reasoning why he wasn’t able to tap into any of his potential, he just didn’t have the right mindset compared to his present timeline counterpart.
@@vex8127 But I think having so many more years should make up for the lack of proper training, not to mention, his anger should be much greater than Main timeline Gohan's was, due to the androids laying waste to everything and everyone. Even if he has a few disadvantages compared to his counterpart, there are other factors that should do quite a bit to make up for them. Moreover, the lack of guidance is a plothole in and of itself, given that there was nothing stopping the deceased fighters from contacting Gohan, and giving him some useful pointers. In fact, we know it's possible for the dead to visit the living with permission, and for the living to travel to the Other World. Kami, Fortuneteller Baba, and Goku all do this frequently. Why wasn't Gohan allowed to train in the Other World or in the Time Chamber? It already doesn't make sense for him to be on his own. But he should still be able to somewhat catch up with his counterpart after all that time and training...
The instant trasmission thing may just be that she didnt think of mentioning that specificaly. To be fair, it has been years and it wasnt all that relevant
@@DM-Oz I'm not quite convinced that she told Trunks all the details about how Frieza's invasion, but left out the part where Goku appeared to stop them by teleporting. And if that were the case, the story still has to tell us why that crucial information was omitted. I can come up with reason after reason for many of the gaps in the story, but those are just things I told myself retroactively to fix those gaps. That doesn't fix the story - Especially when everyone else comes up with a different explanation - Which is telling...
@@AndrewAce. yeah I never noticed that Bulma never told trunks about I.T but I chalk it up as since toriyama didn't reveal it yet bulma wouldn't have known
6:16 trunks asking goku to not reveal his lineage is not a plot hole because at THAT moment he is unaware of the fact time traveling makes a new timeline. He’s just making a guess and he was wrong.
Remember how Trunks was too slow to fight Cell when he got buff… and then it’s never mentioned again and later on waaaay buffer characters have no problem out speeding and keeping up with slimmer character? I do. I remember.
I assume it's deeper than just bigger muscles. But how they use their power to do that. On the other hand, he would have been damned useful during SP Cell and Gohan's beam duel. What matters speed when you're not moving?
@@DanielMWJ Nah, it’s just another ill planned excuse to wait for Goku some more. Remember when Nappa was faster than all the Z Fighters except for Goku despite being way larger than them? I remember. What about Fat Buu’s speed feats? Broly?
@@VidelxSpopovich I meant for Watsonian reasoning, not Doylist. :p Doylist reasoning can get rather cringeful in Dragonball with how transparently it shows the author's hand. As for the others' speed? Different transformations. As I said, the only sensible conclusion is that grade 3 bulked up in a way that lowered agility and speed in exchange for more power and strength. Not because bulking up like that alone does so beyond the obvious physical impediment, but with how the ki was being used in that transformation.
The Android/Cell saga is my favorite arc of the story as well. If a story introduces time travel, it gets my hyped. Even if there are plotholes, i toss it up to time travel shenanigans This arc is also the best because a lot of different characters got to play a part this go around it felt like
Great video, Mike! My argument about Cell's nucleus in his head is that the reason he survived both the IT Kamehameha and the explosion on King Kai's planet is that the nucleus simply wasn't destroyed. In the first instance, yes, his head was blown off, but probably the nucleus remained and this is how he was able to regenerate. Same on King Kai's planet - his whole body was destroyed, but yet thanks to the nucleus surviving, Cell managed to regenerate completely. Going back to his perfect form without 18 was definitely an asspull, but it still works for me due to the shock factor of him coming back with IT and scaring the shit out of everyone else back on the battlefield!
I think Trunks setting the time machine wrong by 3 years could be a fine tunning issue. For example say I need to calibrate the Time Machine by using dials. First dial selects a range of 10 years. Next dial further breaks down those 10 years into smaller chunks. Next dial breaks that year down to months and so on. When Cell arrives he interupts Trunks before he could fully set the time machine. Thus Cell arrives too early.
I think the trunks not being born was more of him joking around about not being born in the present timeline. I dont think he was thinking it would affect his existence. He knew he didnt want his parents to be weirded out by the fact and would then not have another version of him be born lol
The arrival of Trunks in the past altered the timeline. This is why things change slightly from the way it was described to Trunks by his mom in the future.
About the plot hole of Cell going back a year before Trunks' original arrival in the past. In Cell's timeline: Future Trunks is prepping his time machine to arrive in the past, ie, setting the date, coordinates etc. He is in the middle of setting the "proper date/coordinates" when Cell ambushes him, he gets distracted by Cell and accidentally pushes the wrong buttons which sets the wrong date before he tries to fight and is killed by Cell. Or when Cell is entering the time machine after the fight he accidentally pushes the wrong button/buttons and alters the preset time. This isn't exactly that farfetched since in Back To The Future 2 during the struggle to get the Sports Almanac from Biff the Doc Brown accidentally hits the time settings on the Delorean which caused his next time jump to 70 years into the past.
However, the way he says it seems to imply otherwise. And above all, he wasn't truly aware of how time travelling worked at first, so him thinking he could vanish in a poof of logic would be consistent with his knowledge at the time.
Sure, cell's introduction was a sight to behold, but what if it took place after dark, and you could vaguely spot him underneath a dimly lit streetlight. It really doesn't make much sense that a horror inspired (atleast he gives those vibes) entity wouldn't take advantage of being more nocturnal. It was right there, Toriyama liked making homages to popular movies in his work, so having an alien/predator vibe going on with him would've been seamless.
He simply did not know that it was a multiverse/ branch timeline yet! He only found that out, when he returned to his future, and it was the same or unchanged. From his first jump he went straight to when the androids arrived, meaning he hadn't been back to his future yet! The real plothole, is how he travels between different timelines!
I wouldn’t be surprised if the first time we see Trunk’s he actually believed he might get paradoxed out of existence it is the first time he time travels but when he returned to his future and nothing changes he goes back again to help them change the past but then he sees that the timeline has changed with 19s head which would mean that due to his future not changing but the past changing would mean that he now has a new perspective on time travel.
I think an easy resolution for Cell's regeneration is by assuming some of the "core cells" he has, actually upgraded into his new "main brain". Like maybe his composition is a bit modular or homogeneous in that he has braincells all over his body, and his body chose to make a cluster into the new control center.
@@SuperHns It's the "Mega Man problem", I think: Pretty much every character in the Mega Man series is a robot, but it's easy to forget that since they all just look like human beings in armor at first glance. It's the same with the Androids, not just Cell, but all of them: No matter how organic they appear, they're all just machines created by an old mad scientist. That's why I never really understood how Krillin was able to have a child with 18...
Trunks intervening against Frieza is retroactively explained by Cell. There really was a time discrepancy there because Cell had already time traveled to the main timeline a year prior. We never saw how the initial confrontation with Frieza and Cold happened in the other timelines, maybe things went as planned.
Gohan will always be the best character in this franchise he's arguably the soul reason the show is popular in the first place because so many kids related to him including myself!
Trunks didn't know that time travel worked like that until he comes back and sees the wrong Androids. That's when he realizes it. So when he first talks to Goku, his line about "never being born" was just his assumption, since he literally didn't really know.
To be fair with Trunks saying he might not be born, in that conversation he probably doesn't know that any changes will result in a seperate timeline at that point. So it would make sense for him to be worried about that.
It actually makes more sense to think Cell didn't know about Piccolo's regeneration... which is very possible. He knows Piccolo's techniques but it isnt like he was taught everything about the namekians lol that would also explain why he didnt just 'rip his limps off when going in the time machine'.
1. Trunks was the issue here. Goku outright stated himself that he was about to come down there but Didn't because he sensed trunks. 2. This is explained as well. When trunks came back the 1st time he thought it would change his future. By the time he came back the 2nd time he had known from having gone back to his future originally that everything he did like giving goku the medicine didn't actually change his time. Which is why he knew later on that time travel didn't help his own time line. 3. The cast wouldn't have been there at the time, and it's very easy to suggest that 17 and 18 would have killed 19 and 20 before they met the Z fighters..
It could be possible cell was not totally used to all his powers when he went to the past. He had only trunks in the way. Any real threat was in the past for him to understand how far he can Regen with piccolos cells. Also if he has friezaa DNA he might have superior Regen hacks but yeah it's a bit of a long shot. Good video I loved imperfect cell the most cunning hideous scary.
The first plot hole - trunks warning not to alert anyone to bulma / vegeta being his parents to avoid risking him not being born - is easy to explain and isn't a plot hole He explains when he returns to the main timeline that he didn't realise this was how time travel worked (diverting timelines). He thought on his first trip to the past that would change his future, but it didn't. So it makes sense that he would be cautious to avoid preventing his birth, as he didn't know better.
Cell not thinking Piccolo was able to regrow the arm, does he know he's fused with Kami before that? either way it could be his misjudging the amount of damage he's done and thinking he can't win even if he does regenerate at that point because it takes more power to do that and then Cell will beat him with his remaining power
There’s also the plot hole where Gero a human on earth can make normal people androids stronger than a super saiyan yet they couldn’t make mecha frieza stronger than super Trunks with space technology. In fact just the idea that he can make androids stronger than Frieza is ridiculous. He was feared throughout the universe
Proves nothing. Bulma made a time machine, she also created an extremely advanced radar when Frieza's scientists couldn't, her father invented a miniaturization technology unseen anywhere else in the universe, he also created a much more sophisticated space ship than the attack balls used by the Frieza force, which was not only fast but also much larger and more resistant as Goku could train in it, with built-in gravity manipulation technology. There is nothing ridiculous here given the long track record of achievements. Humans are definitely on the upper echelon when it comes to intelligence, and they always were.
There’s a way to explain that. 1) the frieza force scientists stand on the shoulders of giants but aren’t giants themselves. Meaning their civilization has a big head start compared to earth but the current generation of scientists aren’t geniuses. Which would make sense since we know rebellion against frieza is pretty common even though most of them stand no chance of success. So who’s to say the scientists that do have the intellect to reach that level aren’t in hiding, because they fear frieza might want snip flower in the bud like with the saiyans. 2) Gero was able to get samples from frieza and cold without anyone noticing it. He could’ve done the same with frieza’s technology, tech that boosted frieza’s power btw. And use that to improve upon the androids. Also gero wasn’t working alone he had a super computer that work 24/7 to make the perfect killing machines. That would greatly boost the process of his work compared to frieza scientists who aren’t working obsessively to kill planet destroying beings.
Cell’s conversation with Piccolo was always a huge red flag for me when I finally understood what he was saying. But correct me if I’m wrong, didn’t Super acknowledge the existence of further branched timelines with the 5 time rings? I thought that implied there was a further branched timeline which made the Future Trunks’ Cell referred to from his timeline possible.
You say that like he's the only one to have ever traveled through time. But yeah, there are at least 4 Trunks has made: Future Cell, Past Android Saga Only, Future Trunks, and Past Main timelines.
From the start i liked the vid but when I saw "King cold wasted potential" link appear and he didnt stop to say "check out my other dadadada" I knew I was in for a solid 30 minutes of good content
Why didn't Cell just murk Tien instantly to chase 18? Why was the heart virus not a bigger part of the arc, at least in the background, making it less random? How come Trunks couldn't notice he was slower? Why wasn't the Time Chamber tried out again earlier than this saga? Why would Gero make the shutdown device an easily swipable remote instead of it being an implant? Why is Gohan harder to anger, when Buu saga Gohan , a more mature version, was more susceptible to rage spouts?
It’s also possible turnks doesn’t understand how time travel works so him worrying about not being born is just him still thinking what he does in the past effects the future. He only learns nothing changes when he goes back after meeting goku
Good to see you back doing videos. This was really interesting to watch. Wouldn't mind you doing something similar to this with the other arcs. The changes between anime and manga are also very interesting, makes me wonder what else they changed in the story
Matched and surpassed by the Buu saga. Literally the entire story after Vegeta's atonement was so badly done it might as well have been just one giant plot hole
So glad to see you making content again Mike. You always been one of my favorite DragonBall content creators. And I appreciate any videos you put out. Also caught the Super Hero stream congrats on the weight loss man. Keep up the good work!
This video is a case study in how the term "plot hole" is a lot more limited than people think. A "plot hole" is, very broadly, when the things that we see don't seem to be possible based on the things we've seen before. It's when a character knows another characters name without having ever heard it, or someone manages to cover vast distances in little time with no mode of transportation, or a character uses an item that we know they had no way to get (lockpicking a door with a paperclip after they were locked naked in an empty room with no prep time), that sort of thing. It's not just when we, the audience, haven't been told how something happened... it's when what we *have* been told seems to suggest a thing *couldn't* have happened, and yet it did. With that in mind: "Why did Trunks show up and kill Frieza and King Cold, when he should have known Goku would teleport there and kill them?" This isn't a plot hole, it's just an unanswered question; the two are not synonymous. We might *think* that Trunks probably would have been told that Goku could teleport... But we don't actually have any evidence of that. Keep in mind that Trunks would have just been a baby when Goku died, and spent his entire life dealing with Androids. By the time he would've been old enough to be told any details about the past, the focus is definitely on day-to-day survival and trying to figure a way to deal with the Androids... Not to mention that there's only Bulma left who knows about it. Like, sure, it's a *little* weird that she didn't specifiy that Goku was going to teleport there to fight Frieza, but hell, maybe she just forgot, it's been a traumatic decade or two. Not a plot hole. "Why was Trunks worried that if Bulma heard he was her future son, it might prevent her birth, even though he later shows that he clearly knows he's in a separate timeline?" Like you say, he could just be talking about prime timeline Trunks being born. That aside; Trunks is a hot-headed Saiyan, they're pretty prone to jumping into action without actually thinking things through. It wouldn't be too weird for him to *academically* know that "fixing" a separate timeline won't actually help his own, but still want to try on the basis of "I have to do *something* ", and likewise act as though this is his past. In fact, I haven't read the manga, but the page you showed seemed to show him coming to the realisation that his trip was kinda pointless, with Yamcha literally asking the question. I wonder what his answer was on the next page? Anyway, bad character decisions are not plot holes. "Why were 17 & 18, and then Cell, the villains, when Trunks said 19 & 20 were the issue?" I think a lot here depends on who Trunks winds up fighting when he goes back at the end of the saga in the manga. If he goes back and we see it was 17 & 18 that were wreaking havoc then, yeah, that's seems like a plot hole, plain and simple. "Why did Cell talk about potentially taking Trunks' cells, when he couldn't have done that in his original timeline?" The Fandom wiki claims another Future Trunks from a different timeline did kill Frieza/Cold, but that seems to be something they've just inferred based on Cell saying they could've added Trunks cells, so a bit of circular logic there. That aside, even if there was no Future Trunks in Cell's original timeline to take Cells from... there was still regular ol' Trunks, who lived his entire life until time travelling before Cell emerged. So there was definitely opportunity for them to use *a* Trunks' cells, even if not during that specific event. So this isn't a plot hole... but more by accident than planning, they clearly were implying the cells were taken from the Trunks who killed Frieza/Cold. "Why was Trunks' time machine set to go back to before he originally appeared when Cell used it, instead of after?" Weird, but unless Trunks at some point said "this time machine can't be set before this point" or "I'll come back a year from now, have on, let me set the return co-ordinates, can someone hand me a calendar?" or something, then... like, this is *weird,* but just an unanswered question. You bring up the idea that maybe he wanted to go back and make a better timeline and then dismiss it, but maybe he learnt about Cell, and was planning to go back again and take that into account on his next attempt? Maybe Bulmer re-programmed it for some reason we're not aware of? Maybe Cell didn't check the owners manual and hit the wrong controls, or accidentally brushed the "-1 year" button a few times with his tail without noticing? Like, this is clearly explainable, even if we haven't been given the explanation. Remember; a plot hole isn't just "something we haven't been told", it's "something that contradicts what we have been told", and this doesn't actually contradict anything. Not a plot hole. (If there is a plot hole here, it's Piccolo floating his nonsensical "he probably wanted to travel to our past to tell us about his victory" theory. Come on, KP, you're the smartest guy around, you have to know that doesn't make sense!) "How does Cell not know Piccolo can regrow his arm when he has his cells?" You share 60 percent of your DNA with a banana. Do you know everything a banana tree can do? If someone told you the how it creates its bark, how some internal chemical is synthesized, how it responds to different types of soil, would you be like "uhh, yeah, I know, I have loads of banana DNA already, duh"? Are you even fully aware of everything your *own* body does? Like, sure, you just inherently know some thing your body can do... no-one had to teach you how to breathe... But there are other things your body is capable of that it either does without your awareness, or you need to learn you can do before you can do it (like, I dunno, someone first realising they have double-jointed elbows). Not a plot hole. "How did Cell regenerate from the Kamehameha that vaporised his head, when later he says that his regeneration relies on a mass in his head?" I'm... torn on this one. Like, as you said, there *is* a pretty simple explanation (that the mass is *currently* in his head when he says that, but he can move it anywhere in his body, and it just wasn't in his head the first time around)... But there's nothing in the story to actually support that, and it doesn't seem to be the intent. Yeah, OK, plot hole. So, 2/7 of these "plot holes" were plot holes. Actually not bad, in 2023 terms, when the term is so misused!
about cell saying they didn't take trunk's cells it's obvious they meant future trunks and not toddler trunks. It's really a reach trying to excuse it as that what they could have meant when it defies any logic. Reality is that toriyama as always paid no attention to what he was writing and just messed up.
Actually, for the regeneration part, there's a way it can be argued that I haven't seen many mention, or rather not explained in this manner much. The Frieza race can stay alive under almost any conditions. Frieza was blown almost entirely to bits on namek. Couple that with namekian regeneration, and it'd make sense how Cell is very hard to put down.
You been slimming down Mike!! Looks like Harold got you on his fitness regimen! Bench pressing the book of infinity & the earth with one pinky! Glad to see it!
The one that always annoys me is why in god's name didn't anyone think that Goku could teach trunks instant transmission so he can go to namek and wish everyone back in his time... Or .... Have briefs / bulma capsule a ship to get to namek in his own time.
Any argument I had about the alternate Future Trunks being a part of the inconsistentncies or plot holes you addressed or acknowledged so I apperciate that. You are very thurough in covering all bases.
Dude, you're one of my favorite dbz youtubers. I listen to every one of your videos everytime they come up. Haters will br haters. Everyone has them, but you are still making money bro. They have to go to your video to make those comments. Head up, bro
The best head canon i've read about the timing of Cell's arrival to the main timeline is that Trunks defeated 17 and 18 with the shutdown device but his Saiyan pride made him want to go back to prevent himself from taking the easy way out.
DragonBall abridged actually fixed the 2nd plot hole regarding trunks knowledge. It was put down that bulma wasn't sure which theory of time travel would work and concluded multiverse theory was correct. Trunks was not aware until he returned to the future and saw nothing changed he realized the past and the future were separate. This is why when he returned he had the new knowledge
even in the original one, they ask TRUNKS, "WHY HE CAME BACK if he cant change" and he said because of "Mother" Bulma told him in the future we have to try to travel back in time to try to save our time, and if that doesn't work, at least prevent another bad future from happening.
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Fun Fact: in the Early Funimation Dub: they changed Cell’s explanation of how he survived his explosion. Rather then having a mass inside his head, he said every cell has a life of its own. If even one cell survives, that’s all he needs.
That's almost as op as buu's
that at least makes more sense or is more consistent with how he survived Gokus warp blast.
@@lebaneseedgyist5073 for sure, I was thinking the same thing.
Lol wow. So even then they probably realized the plot hole and rewrote that part. Something that should've been carried over all later tellings of the story/manga rereleases.
So your telling me that DBZ Kai was so loyal to the original manga script that they would keep a plot hole about Cell's cluster of cells in his head as opposed to something that fixes the plot-hole in the original DBZ? okay.
I don't know who would say dragon ball has no plot holes whatsoever, in fact, Launch went through a plot hole and was never seen again.
Rip Launch
@@MrKunecke well, you see, Launch is a woman and women can't be in Dragon Ball if they're not sexually assaulted or made into housewives
@DorkN313 She would be a hilarious housewife for Teinshinhan. That's what it looked like they were going for anyway.
This is not a plot hole but something that have bothered some people about the cell saga and that is how the characters are able to end the saga whatever they want but they just continue to make it even longer.
1- The z fighters could have ended the saga if they destroy the androids before they are awaken.
2- Piccolo could've ended the saga if he one shot cell.
3- Vegeta could've ended the saga, but he didn't because he is a saiyan.
4- Gohan could've ended the saga but instead he wasted time by playing with him.
5- When cell lost 18, the other z fighters could've kill him but they were watching the fight when in fact they could've end the saga.
I actually made a video about your first point. You can find it here: th-cam.com/video/k5ke00EVadI/w-d-xo.html
@Laughingstock Media Just watched it, and I agree with all of your points mike 😊
@Abdullahi Farah I don't think so, if all of the z fighters group attacked semi perfect cell in all directions, then he wouldn't even have a single cell left to regenerate
Welcome to dragon ball, where ego and hubris is the real final boss
I think piccolo one shooting cell is a reach
Trunks being contradictory with time travel is explainable as him initially being misinformed. Nobody Bulma knew has ever gone back in time so maybe they assumed it worked on Back to the Future rules. But when their timeline didn't change it proved the multiverse theory of time travel was right
Wonder how strong Cell would've been if he had gotten the DNA from the Piccolo/Kami Fusion instead of just Piccolo.
@@blackzero786I mean he absorbed an arm so he would've got a lil power boost
Yeah, that seems obvious.
Multiverse theory's a bitch
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Cell was completely surprised he could regenerate from a self destruct. I really don't believe cell understood what his body was capable of after his two new forms. I took it as his understanding was of his imperfect specs.
Cell was born the ultimate biological weapon so in theory, he has the most potential
I am not surprised if we go by your comment, Cell’s design was to perfect his flaws over course of time to truly be perfect.
Being able to surpass the Sayian’s zenkai and Namekian regeneration makes sense
I can also see his cells having life of their own similar to Frieza’s ability to survive horrific injuries despite not being able to regeneration
Canon or not, Frieza has amazing endurance.
For the first one that was trunks first jump to the past wasn't it so he could have assumed that it would affect his timeline but after he goes back and sees nothing changed then he learns that going back in time and changing things only affects that timeline
its dragon ball so who cares.
@@donnieconyers2829 most people care
@@notamethadict well most people are pieces of shit that need to die.
yeah this is seemingly a pretty simple and absolutely accurate explanation
Right how could have left that very important factor out...Trunks was from a different timeline
The first two are not plot holes, they are clearly showing that Trunks does not fully understand how the multiverse works when he first appears. Both in that he was unaware of Instantaneous Movement and that he was unaware of his future not changing due to actions in the past.
That's what I was going to say. Even in the anime Trunks learned of the branching timelines when he returned when the Androids arrived. That was when he discovered these actions did not change his future.
trunks not fully understanding time travel is exusealbe but how come he didn't know about the instant transmission?
@@roxonightreturns Because Future Bulma forgot to tell Trunks about it.
@@roxonightreturns how did he not know about something he never saw before? lol come on if Bulma didn't tell him how would he know?
@@rongill1234 what? Bulma could have just said that Goku arrived when she told trunks. Bulma has been known to forget important details
The first one isn't a plot hole around all. It is before he ever went back to the Future. So he didn't know that changing past doesn't change HIS present. He was still under the impression that helping Goku will help out His time as well
Yep this is how i interpreted it as well
@@TheSodaShop That’s not even how you interpreted it. That’s literally EXACTLY how Toriyama originally wrote it. When Trunks comes back to the main timeline, he expresses clear confusion that nothing had changed.
But the problem is that trunks had to recognize at the time that his past is different from where he is right now.
I can still roughly remember him saying that Goku would arrive on Earth 3 hours later and defeat Freeza. By then some people will die in this time. Trunks wanted to prevent this.
So that means that in his past, Goku arrived on earth 3 hours later and wasn't able to teleport or he was asleep and missed rescuing the people or whatever.
Trunks should have known from the beginning that Goku can teleport and didn't show up 3 hours later and Freeza and his troops caused chaos during that time.
So that means that he should already know at the time that there are two different events. One where Goku could have teleported himself directly to Freeza and one where he couldn't or didn't do it and only arrived 3 hours later.
Agreed. Trunks thought that and was shocked that changing the past didn't change his specific future.
@@Fuchsfeuer he was just misinformed. Bulma probably didn't hear all the details because she was staying far enough away to not get hurt
They establish in both the Namek and Sayian Sagas that the energy required to regrow limbs can take you out of the fight, to the point where Piccolo would rather fight Raditz with one arm than regrow his. I always headcanoned that Cell was surprised because after draining Piccolo's arm he either loses from the martial arts disadvantage or takes a second to regrow his arm and has his power level drop like a rock. Unfortunately for Cell, Piccolo has recently fused with Kami so regen is much less taxing.
If that isn't enough, Piccolo only regrows his arm once before on Earth and we know the bots didn't make it to Namek. It's very possible Dr. Gero's computer never got data on the technique as it didn't happen during a fight, especially since the flashback panels imply they got Piccolo's DNA during his fight with Nappa, when he didn't regenerate.
That's what I was thinking too. I really think cell's knowledge of what the zfighters can do isn't based on just having their DNA, but it's based on whatever data was able to be collected. That would really help us to understand things like why he was surprised at Piccolo regenerating, why he uses Destructo Disc instead of Friezas death Saucer, etc.
@@SethirothGaming it also explains the multiform technique, because if I recall manga canon correctly, Tien isn't a part of him, and Piccolo only uses that ability in filler.
@@SethirothGaming he did use Friezas death saucers 2 of them vs Goku
How scary would Cell have been with the Fusion combo instead of just Piccolo's DNA?
@@SuperHns
Frieza’s Death Saucers are just Dollar Store Kienzan.
There's no plot holes in Dragon Ball whatsoever- it's the most perfectly written story of all time! 😤
No gods who can see all of the universe noticed broly on planet vampa but that isnt cause they didnt explain that it was a concious writting choice and mfs like to pretend there are "holes" in the plot smh 🙄
Toriyama has literally stated he made shit up after Frieza
Just because its famous doesn't make it perfect
Do..
Do you know what a joke is?
@@xdrdm7096apparently not…
I like how TFS addressed all these things you mentioned including the multiple timelines and the regeneration part.
(Cell regenerated after being blasted by Goku’s Kamehameha)
Piccolo: I’m pretty sure I can’t do that
Cell: We’ll figure that out later..
Where Semi-Perfect Cell sees Piccolo is still alive: “How durable is he? How durable am I???”
@@nicholaskling2425 “Questions for later”
@@nicholaskling2425 nah, Cell just missed all of his vital organs
"Ok I'm 90% sure I can't do that"
" we'll figure that out later"
Probably because of Friezas cells too though.
About the " Don't tell my parents or I may never exist" thing. I believe he didn't know any better because it was his first Timetravel, not his third, where he explains everything, and Multiverse theory was to him a theory and nothing else
Also even if he did know, maybe he still wants Bulma and Vegeta to get together regardless.
And just for plot, literally just for the sake of the plot Trunks is obligatory son of Bulma and Vegeta.
@@il3fortunato664 This doesn't make sense to me. Why is Trunks being their son obligatory? What about them being related makes it "for the plot?" I'd get it if Trunks were future Gohan in disguise or something but it's honestly something I didn't expect first reading it.
@@drumo2273
Because Vegeta was the only Saiyan on Earth at that time and Bulma was the only woman that was important at the time, you're saying "but she was dating Yamcha and was her boyfriend" and I say yes you're right. Toriyama just make Yamcha a clown, completely ruining the character and being unlikable so that Bulma can merry Vegeta that was the man that was living on Earth and adapting to live as a human being also the only Pure Saiyan Warrior stronger in the group. That make Trunks their son for sake of plot, nothing else.
@@il3fortunato664 I get what you mean now, and I do agree that Yamcha was clowned for no good reason. Still I think using "obligatory" and "for the plot" makes Trunks' existence sound too much like the stars had to align for it to happen. Bulma and Yamcha broke up and she got with Vegeta, that's all there is to it.
I always wondered whatever happened to the timeline Cell came from. Poor Bulma, even her only son has died. She's all alone with only the surviving human population.
That can also explain why Beerus and Whis oppose time travel. Creating new timelines is like Jenga. Taking away the foundation and adding new layers will only cause the whole thing to collapse.
yeah will whis and beerus can f off trunks did time travel to safe lfie there is noting worng with safeng lfies not triyng to safe lifes wodo make you in evil pcie shit like beerus noting olapes lame
And *I* always wondered why they had to create a whole new timeline to send Trunks and Mai to, instead of just sending them to the preexisting Cell timeline.
Unless both Toriyama AND Toei forgot about that timeline. Even though they love to dip back into the past to milk nostalgia.
@@najadamu2724 You mean the timeline in which No. 17 and No. 18 were defeated and Cell is still in Gero's lab?
@@Ms.FortuneTeller not it’s the one where 17-18 were defeated and cell killed Trunks to go back into our timeline.
Funnily enough, we know that Trunks’ androids aren’t as strong as our androids. So we can maybe conclude that that cell wouldn’t be as strong as our cell. But the cell in our timeline isn’t our cell, it’s cell from another universe. Our cell got destroyed with Geros lab. We already know that base cell was around as powerful (without feeding) as Android 17 of our universe so I’m just wondering how powerful (if our cell would have been more powerful) would our cell be ya know? Would SSJ2 even cut it
@@hotnessgaming1396 I'm not sure that the future Androids were weaker.
IIRC in one of the versions (I think it's a Trunks chapter in the manga or something, I can't recall), 17 told Gohan that they were holding back the entire time (they were at half power at most), right before they killed him.
Trunks didn't know this detail. Also, he can't sense their power.
So it's probably less that the present Androids were stronger and more that they didn't hold back as much from the start, since the Z-Fighters were stronger and more prepared (still weaker than the Androids overall).
Regarding the "Trunks afraid of never be born" plot hole, it can be explained with himself not wanting to accidentally stopping his past self to be born in that timeline just because he showed up and reveal earlier than Bulma and Vegeta would fall in love
It’s also likely because Trunks had a misunderstanding of how time travel worked. He was under the belief that if he altered the past then his future would be changed as well, that’s why he traveled back in time in the first place. He only realized this to be incorrect once he returned home and saw that nothing had changed. So it’s likely that Trunks believed that he himself wouldn’t have been born if Bulma and Vegeta knew about his existence.
I kind of wish we knew how original trunks beat the androids, and cell going back cause the main timeline right?
Hyperbolic Time Chamber? Krillin's Button?
@@ultraexcalibur1728 he definitely didn't go in the chamber if imperfect cell even before drinking people was able to kill him, and you mean the shut Down device Bulma made? Thoses are only theories
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD can you please explain to me with proper English cause I genuinely have no idea what the point you're trying to make is here.
@@ultraexcalibur1728 I said he trunks definitely didn't go into the chamber if the weakest version of imperfect cell was able to kill him, are we clear.
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD It was a sneak attack and Trunks was off guard and in his Base Form.
Cell assumed Piccolo couldn't regenerate because he assumed he stole so much power that Piccolo was too weak to regenerate.
Regarding the fact that Imperfect Cell didn't seem to realise that Piccolo would regenerate, due to his imperfect form it's possible the knowledge was missing or forgotten. I mean he grew up in a test tube tank listening to Dr. Gero's prerecorded messages until he outgrew the tank right? Then later regresses back into "larval form", is it possible in some hairbrained way that Cell's knowledge diminished during this regression and regrowth? That would be a really stupid explanation though, I always just assumed that Imperfect Cell was kinda what his name implies - Imperfect, meaning he was not above forgetting critical information when in a situation where he feels he is not threatened in any way (i.e. when Piccolo submits).
I always felt as though Cell himself didn’t even know he had regenerative abilities until he saw Piccolo do it. At that point Piccolo had only regenerated his arm against Raditz so he hadn’t demonstrated the power much for Gero to study it.
Cell certainly showed the ability to pick up techniques insanely quickly. Goku, Vegeta, and Tien have all shown some degree of instant mimicry too.
You know, I’d like to see toriyama make a one shot on his original plans for the cell saga, I wonder how hed make 19 and 20 the big bosses for the arc
Me too . I just know he’d pull some fusion or transformation out his ass but it would’ve been epic .
I'd rather have that,the cell saga was ass.the android saga was so cool amd edgy .androids were awesome and killers then 16 was let out.eveything was so cool and then went to crap with cell
@YerrBrke well the original plans for 19 and 20 seem to be introduction of 18 and 17 replacing them and what happened to those two.all in all it seems that whatever pair of androids he wanted to end the arc would be with destruction to a massive extent but cell was made which in my opinionnruiend rhe whole android saga
Guess it'll never happen.
It's possible that Trunks time traveling caused a disrupt in which Goku would've arrived 3 hours EARLIER, but as he didn't need to, he arrived "on time."
That would also mean Frieza arrived 3 hours early as well.
In the original timeline, let's say Frieza arrives at 3pm and Goku teleports there at 3pm and kills him.
Trunks time travels. Frieza now arrives at 12pm, and Goku WOULD'VE teleported but Trunks steps in and kills Frieza. So Goku rides his ship and arrives at 3pm.
Thus, Goku arrives at 3pm in both timelines.
I love time travel, but it's seldom done well and free of paradoxes. Ironically, Toriyama went with one of the most stable structs, multiple timelines.
I've been making time maps of various franchises and giving logics to how they work. DBZ's is one of the more complex ones. I'd love to see your mappings for this.
You could explain trunks being confused about how time travel works, saying it's because he is traveling in time for the first time, and he expected to save goku and get to a better future, but then he didn't
The second isn’t a plot hole or an inconsistency.
The first time we see Trunks (this Trunks) is the first time anyone has EVER time traveled. And till someone time travels, no matter what theories someone may have had previously as to what of the 3 most prominent timeline thoughts are, you wouldn’t know for sure till it happened. So when Trunk came back home, and Goku was still dead, but more importantly when Bulma still thinks Goku killed Frieza let’s Trunks know 100% how it works. So when he speaks to Krillin later, it’s not a theoretical anymore, he knows how time travel works.
The biggest is definitely Cell’s head blowing up. There is no explanation for that.
I always saw it as the Core, you know the shiny black orb in Cell's chest which was mostly untouched by the Transmission Kamehameha, WAS the core and when Cell regrew, the core moved to his head, which also condensed it and made it much harder to destroy as an instinctive unnoticed self-defense mechanism since Cell wouldn't have realized he could be one-shot IF he was caught off guard again. Through this INSTINCTIVE response, Cell became the technically functionally immortal Cell we had at the end, that got super cellular annihilation by Goku and Gohan. As far as Cell knew, the loss of a head was death, but the core held a copy of everything cell had just lost, which was regrown around, and revived Cell in a way he seemed to not know about... and then assumed would ALWAYS be the case, and things went from there...
Nice yu yu haskusho sound bite at 1:32
Trunks always knew that going back in time wasn’t going to change his own timeline. He had always heard how amazing Goku was from his mom, and felt that if he could learn how Goku solved the Androids, he could apply it to his own timeline. Also, he was worried that he would not be born in the abstract sense. That this timeline’s Trunks would not be born and he was worried for a fellow timeline self.
Yeah, no-one ever thinks of this. Why would Trunks NOT want his alternate timeline version to exist?
Well, yes, that’s the rewrite Toriyama used to explain the inconsistencies he was creating, thus creating another inconsistency. But when Trunks first showed up, it’s pretty obvious he is referring to himself, and implying that we’re working with Back to the Future style time travel.
@@damkylan3 You also have to remember this was untest technology for hail marry. It's possible that Bulma doesnt know multiworld theory or if there is one set timeline until the switch is flipped.
If that's the case, it really was one GIANT risk. Can you imagine if he returns to find Bulma no longer existing or disappears altogether himself due to the effects?
23:07 honestly the dub explanation even though it's not canon it makes sense compared to the manga explanation.
So glad you're uploading again Mike! You were missed!
1) Definitely. The Instant Transmission thing makes no sense because Bulma was present during that fight, and should have known about IT. Which Goku also went out of his way to demonstrate and explain to them all afterwards.
2) I definitely found Trunks' phrasing weird, but I always interpreted it as him not wanting main timeline's version of himself not to be born. Which is reasonable.
3) This is yet another issue with discovery writing, especially when telling a time travel story. Toriyama got a LOT of grief from his editor, but without that we would have gotten 19 & 20 as the final bosses. Yikes...
4) TotallyNotMark made a video explaining how bad Cell's exposition drop was an a narrative level. I recommend it. Basically the point is that Cell was very creepy and enigmatic, then he just explained everything about himself in the most obtuse monologue ever, destroying any element of mystery and fear factor. And yes, it's also continuity swiss cheese...
Side note, interesting how Cell is the one who creates the main timeline.
5) People should just accept that there are plot holes and move on. Cells regeneration, and knowledge about his regeneration is inconsistent. He even seemingly forgets that Piccolo can do it too.
My plotholes are:
1) Why does Bulma know where Gero's lab is in the main timeline, but not the future? Trunks said that if he knew, he'd be "paying Gero a visit instead of Goku", so how come his Bulma never told him where to find it? TFS Even pokes fun at this one..
2) Why is Future Gohan so weak compared to Main Gohan who had far less time, training, and motivation? After several years of battle, he's weaker than two weaker versions of 17 & 18 who never use more than half their power to fight him, at least in the manga. In the anime, he does considerably better against the both of them despite their infinite energy, but still, his present timeline counterpart would have easily destroyed them after coming out of the chamber. And why didn't Popo tell them about the chamber anyway? Why didn't Goku contact them from other world? Why didn't King Kai contact the Namekians and ask them to make a wish to revive Piccolo and the others? In my opinion, there are many ways the outcome could have been altered and prevented, if everything was written consistently. But every time I mention it, I get a laundry list of excuses and contrivances that basically amount to fans rewriting the story retroactively to make sense if it.
Don’t have the answers to most of these plotholes but I can come up with a good excuse why Future Gohan isn’t that strong, he merely lacked guidance from experienced fighters like Goku or Piccolo so that may be the reasoning why he wasn’t able to tap into any of his potential, he just didn’t have the right mindset compared to his present timeline counterpart.
@@vex8127 But I think having so many more years should make up for the lack of proper training, not to mention, his anger should be much greater than Main timeline Gohan's was, due to the androids laying waste to everything and everyone. Even if he has a few disadvantages compared to his counterpart, there are other factors that should do quite a bit to make up for them. Moreover, the lack of guidance is a plothole in and of itself, given that there was nothing stopping the deceased fighters from contacting Gohan, and giving him some useful pointers. In fact, we know it's possible for the dead to visit the living with permission, and for the living to travel to the Other World. Kami, Fortuneteller Baba, and Goku all do this frequently. Why wasn't Gohan allowed to train in the Other World or in the Time Chamber? It already doesn't make sense for him to be on his own. But he should still be able to somewhat catch up with his counterpart after all that time and training...
The instant trasmission thing may just be that she didnt think of mentioning that specificaly. To be fair, it has been years and it wasnt all that relevant
@@DM-Oz I'm not quite convinced that she told Trunks all the details about how Frieza's invasion, but left out the part where Goku appeared to stop them by teleporting.
And if that were the case, the story still has to tell us why that crucial information was omitted.
I can come up with reason after reason for many of the gaps in the story, but those are just things I told myself retroactively to fix those gaps. That doesn't fix the story - Especially when everyone else comes up with a different explanation - Which is telling...
@@AndrewAce. yeah I never noticed that Bulma never told trunks about I.T but I chalk it up as since toriyama didn't reveal it yet bulma wouldn't have known
6:16 trunks asking goku to not reveal his lineage is not a plot hole because at THAT moment he is unaware of the fact time traveling makes a new timeline. He’s just making a guess and he was wrong.
Cell was already slumbering away, so in a sense there was a Time Distortion.
Remember how Trunks was too slow to fight Cell when he got buff… and then it’s never mentioned again and later on waaaay buffer characters have no problem out speeding and keeping up with slimmer character? I do. I remember.
I assume it's deeper than just bigger muscles. But how they use their power to do that.
On the other hand, he would have been damned useful during SP Cell and Gohan's beam duel. What matters speed when you're not moving?
@@DanielMWJ Nah, it’s just another ill planned excuse to wait for Goku some more. Remember when Nappa was faster than all the Z Fighters except for Goku despite being way larger than them? I remember.
What about Fat Buu’s speed feats? Broly?
@@VidelxSpopovich I meant for Watsonian reasoning, not Doylist. :p
Doylist reasoning can get rather cringeful in Dragonball with how transparently it shows the author's hand.
As for the others' speed? Different transformations. As I said, the only sensible conclusion is that grade 3 bulked up in a way that lowered agility and speed in exchange for more power and strength. Not because bulking up like that alone does so beyond the obvious physical impediment, but with how the ki was being used in that transformation.
The Android/Cell saga is my favorite arc of the story as well.
If a story introduces time travel, it gets my hyped. Even if there are plotholes, i toss it up to time travel shenanigans
This arc is also the best because a lot of different characters got to play a part this go around it felt like
The biggest plot hole is Toriyama's plot convenient memory loss.
Great video, Mike!
My argument about Cell's nucleus in his head is that the reason he survived both the IT Kamehameha and the explosion on King Kai's planet is that the nucleus simply wasn't destroyed.
In the first instance, yes, his head was blown off, but probably the nucleus remained and this is how he was able to regenerate.
Same on King Kai's planet - his whole body was destroyed, but yet thanks to the nucleus surviving, Cell managed to regenerate completely.
Going back to his perfect form without 18 was definitely an asspull, but it still works for me due to the shock factor of him coming back with IT and scaring the shit out of everyone else back on the battlefield!
I think Cell being derived from Insectoid stock, maybe doesn't have all of his brain functions where humans do.
Basically like that guy in OPM. The nucleus probably movies around in his body to protect itself.
also people forget that CELL is an ANDROID
I think Trunks setting the time machine wrong by 3 years could be a fine tunning issue.
For example say I need to calibrate the Time Machine by using dials. First dial selects a range of 10 years. Next dial further breaks down those 10 years into smaller chunks. Next dial breaks that year down to months and so on.
When Cell arrives he interupts Trunks before he could fully set the time machine. Thus Cell arrives too early.
but he killed that version of Trunks, so why is there another one
@@SuperHns because there is more than one time line that Future Bulma built a time machine?
@@SuperHns there are 4 timelines
@@SuperHns because departure creates a timeline and arrival creates another timeline. There aree multiple timelines now
The biggest plot hole is Tien being the weakest character in the show despite non-stop training to catch back up to Goku.
I think the trunks not being born was more of him joking around about not being born in the present timeline. I dont think he was thinking it would affect his existence. He knew he didnt want his parents to be weirded out by the fact and would then not have another version of him be born lol
this.
The arrival of Trunks in the past altered the timeline. This is why things change slightly from the way it was described to Trunks by his mom in the future.
About the plot hole of Cell going back a year before Trunks' original arrival in the past. In Cell's timeline: Future Trunks is prepping his time machine to arrive in the past, ie, setting the date, coordinates etc. He is in the middle of setting the "proper date/coordinates" when Cell ambushes him, he gets distracted by Cell and accidentally pushes the wrong buttons which sets the wrong date before he tries to fight and is killed by Cell. Or when Cell is entering the time machine after the fight he accidentally pushes the wrong button/buttons and alters the preset time. This isn't exactly that farfetched since in Back To The Future 2 during the struggle to get the Sports Almanac from Biff the Doc Brown accidentally hits the time settings on the Delorean which caused his next time jump to 70 years into the past.
a mistake made in one series doesn't mean the same mistake is made in another. That's a faulty leap in logic
I don't see the Trunks not wanting to be born thing as a plot hole. He simply didn't want the current timeline of himself to be put in danger
That's what I was thinking too,
However, the way he says it seems to imply otherwise.
And above all, he wasn't truly aware of how time travelling worked at first, so him thinking he could vanish in a poof of logic would be consistent with his knowledge at the time.
Sure, cell's introduction was a sight to behold, but what if it took place after dark, and you could vaguely spot him underneath a dimly lit streetlight. It really doesn't make much sense that a horror inspired (atleast he gives those vibes) entity wouldn't take advantage of being more nocturnal. It was right there, Toriyama liked making homages to popular movies in his work, so having an alien/predator vibe going on with him would've been seamless.
Shit that's right are there any fights at night other than in GT seems so weird.
You're not boring I think you're rather informative
He simply did not know that it was a multiverse/ branch timeline yet! He only found that out, when he returned to his future, and it was the same or unchanged. From his first jump he went straight to when the androids arrived, meaning he hadn't been back to his future yet!
The real plothole, is how he travels between different timelines!
I wouldn’t be surprised if the first time we see Trunk’s he actually believed he might get paradoxed out of existence it is the first time he time travels but when he returned to his future and nothing changes he goes back again to help them change the past but then he sees that the timeline has changed with 19s head which would mean that due to his future not changing but the past changing would mean that he now has a new perspective on time travel.
I think an easy resolution for Cell's regeneration is by assuming some of the "core cells" he has, actually upgraded into his new "main brain".
Like maybe his composition is a bit modular or homogeneous in that he has braincells all over his body, and his body chose to make a cluster into the new control center.
people forget that he is still an Android /
@@SuperHns It's the "Mega Man problem", I think: Pretty much every character in the Mega Man series is a robot, but it's easy to forget that since they all just look like human beings in armor at first glance.
It's the same with the Androids, not just Cell, but all of them: No matter how organic they appear, they're all just machines created by an old mad scientist. That's why I never really understood how Krillin was able to have a child with 18...
That is because 17 and 18 are humans with tech upgrades while the rest of them are actual robots.
@@DannieRay23 i'm sure that 19 and 20 are modified humans too, while 16 is entirely an android. i think it's said at some point in the anime
Cell didn't know about Piccolo fusing. Just like the Dr. didn't know what happened on Namek.
Trunks intervening against Frieza is retroactively explained by Cell. There really was a time discrepancy there because Cell had already time traveled to the main timeline a year prior. We never saw how the initial confrontation with Frieza and Cold happened in the other timelines, maybe things went as planned.
Goku used instant transmission to get there in time
It's assumed that Goku came to earth and killed off Freiza and King cold, in the original timeline.
@@JRich_TheNupe And there is no way to actually know that Bulma was aware of it
Cell Saga: I have many plot holes.
Goku Black: Hold my beer….
Gohan will always be the best character in this franchise he's arguably the soul reason the show is popular in the first place because so many kids related to him including myself!
Trunks didn't know that time travel worked like that until he comes back and sees the wrong Androids. That's when he realizes it. So when he first talks to Goku, his line about "never being born" was just his assumption, since he literally didn't really know.
Piccolo vs android 17 was my highlight of that arc. Too bad cell ended it prematurely!
I wish 17 was part of the main cast. ☹
To be fair with Trunks saying he might not be born, in that conversation he probably doesn't know that any changes will result in a seperate timeline at that point. So it would make sense for him to be worried about that.
It actually makes more sense to think Cell didn't know about Piccolo's regeneration... which is very possible. He knows Piccolo's techniques but it isnt like he was taught everything about the namekians lol that would also explain why he didnt just 'rip his limps off when going in the time machine'.
Piccolo was observed at the 23rd Budokai regenerating.
1. Trunks was the issue here. Goku outright stated himself that he was about to come down there but Didn't because he sensed trunks.
2. This is explained as well. When trunks came back the 1st time he thought it would change his future. By the time he came back the 2nd time he had known from having gone back to his future originally that everything he did like giving goku the medicine didn't actually change his time. Which is why he knew later on that time travel didn't help his own time line.
3. The cast wouldn't have been there at the time, and it's very easy to suggest that 17 and 18 would have killed 19 and 20 before they met the Z fighters..
It could be possible cell was not totally used to all his powers when he went to the past. He had only trunks in the way. Any real threat was in the past for him to understand how far he can Regen with piccolos cells.
Also if he has friezaa DNA he might have superior Regen hacks but yeah it's a bit of a long shot. Good video I loved imperfect cell the most cunning hideous scary.
The first plot hole - trunks warning not to alert anyone to bulma / vegeta being his parents to avoid risking him not being born - is easy to explain and isn't a plot hole
He explains when he returns to the main timeline that he didn't realise this was how time travel worked (diverting timelines). He thought on his first trip to the past that would change his future, but it didn't. So it makes sense that he would be cautious to avoid preventing his birth, as he didn't know better.
Cell not thinking Piccolo was able to regrow the arm, does he know he's fused with Kami before that? either way it could be his misjudging the amount of damage he's done and thinking he can't win even if he does regenerate at that point because it takes more power to do that and then Cell will beat him with his remaining power
How strong would Cell have been if he had that fusion Combo instead of just Piccolo?
I feel like the reason behind at least 90% of these issues is "Toriyama forgot" and the rest are because of his editor.
There’s also the plot hole where Gero a human on earth can make normal people androids stronger than a super saiyan yet they couldn’t make mecha frieza stronger than super Trunks with space technology. In fact just the idea that he can make androids stronger than Frieza is ridiculous. He was feared throughout the universe
Proves nothing. Bulma made a time machine, she also created an extremely advanced radar when Frieza's scientists couldn't, her father invented a miniaturization technology unseen anywhere else in the universe, he also created a much more sophisticated space ship than the attack balls used by the Frieza force, which was not only fast but also much larger and more resistant as Goku could train in it, with built-in gravity manipulation technology. There is nothing ridiculous here given the long track record of achievements. Humans are definitely on the upper echelon when it comes to intelligence, and they always were.
That isn't really a plot hole. Who's to say Gero isn't just incredibly brilliant.
@@ak47dragunov he was an average fighter, but a brilliant scientist
@@NaughtiusMaximmus Radditz: hmmmm
There’s a way to explain that. 1) the frieza force scientists stand on the shoulders of giants but aren’t giants themselves. Meaning their civilization has a big head start compared to earth but the current generation of scientists aren’t geniuses. Which would make sense since we know rebellion against frieza is pretty common even though most of them stand no chance of success. So who’s to say the scientists that do have the intellect to reach that level aren’t in hiding, because they fear frieza might want snip flower in the bud like with the saiyans. 2) Gero was able to get samples from frieza and cold without anyone noticing it. He could’ve done the same with frieza’s technology, tech that boosted frieza’s power btw. And use that to improve upon the androids. Also gero wasn’t working alone he had a super computer that work 24/7 to make the perfect killing machines. That would greatly boost the process of his work compared to frieza scientists who aren’t working obsessively to kill planet destroying beings.
“Shut up Nail he’s doing a thing thing” is the only thing I could think of when the picture of piccolo with his drained arm popped up
Cell’s conversation with Piccolo was always a huge red flag for me when I finally understood what he was saying. But correct me if I’m wrong, didn’t Super acknowledge the existence of further branched timelines with the 5 time rings? I thought that implied there was a further branched timeline which made the Future Trunks’ Cell referred to from his timeline possible.
You say that like he's the only one to have ever traveled through time. But yeah, there are at least 4 Trunks has made: Future Cell, Past Android Saga Only, Future Trunks, and Past Main timelines.
From the start i liked the vid but when I saw "King cold wasted potential" link appear and he didnt stop to say "check out my other dadadada" I knew I was in for a solid 30 minutes of good content
Why didn't Cell just murk Tien instantly to chase 18? Why was the heart virus not a bigger part of the arc, at least in the background, making it less random? How come Trunks couldn't notice he was slower? Why wasn't the Time Chamber tried out again earlier than this saga? Why would Gero make the shutdown device an easily swipable remote instead of it being an implant? Why is Gohan harder to anger, when Buu saga Gohan , a more mature version, was more susceptible to rage spouts?
It’s also possible turnks doesn’t understand how time travel works so him worrying about not being born is just him still thinking what he does in the past effects the future. He only learns nothing changes when he goes back after meeting goku
Yeah, cant really overthink about the details of this arc.
Nothing will beat that Cell introduction. It's a masterclass in tension and mystery building.
Good to see you back doing videos. This was really interesting to watch. Wouldn't mind you doing something similar to this with the other arcs. The changes between anime and manga are also very interesting, makes me wonder what else they changed in the story
I am so happy that you are back
I think this arc tore open so many plot holes that would only be matched by Super when it came out.
Matched and surpassed by the Buu saga. Literally the entire story after Vegeta's atonement was so badly done it might as well have been just one giant plot hole
The trunksbeing born wasn't a plot hole he said I might not be born your words.
So glad to see you making content again Mike. You always been one of my favorite DragonBall content creators. And I appreciate any videos you put out. Also caught the Super Hero stream congrats on the weight loss man. Keep up the good work!
That last one's explanation is easy enough, that cell just doesn't know exactly how his own regeneration works.
This video is a case study in how the term "plot hole" is a lot more limited than people think.
A "plot hole" is, very broadly, when the things that we see don't seem to be possible based on the things we've seen before. It's when a character knows another characters name without having ever heard it, or someone manages to cover vast distances in little time with no mode of transportation, or a character uses an item that we know they had no way to get (lockpicking a door with a paperclip after they were locked naked in an empty room with no prep time), that sort of thing. It's not just when we, the audience, haven't been told how something happened... it's when what we *have* been told seems to suggest a thing *couldn't* have happened, and yet it did. With that in mind:
"Why did Trunks show up and kill Frieza and King Cold, when he should have known Goku would teleport there and kill them?"
This isn't a plot hole, it's just an unanswered question; the two are not synonymous. We might *think* that Trunks probably would have been told that Goku could teleport... But we don't actually have any evidence of that. Keep in mind that Trunks would have just been a baby when Goku died, and spent his entire life dealing with Androids. By the time he would've been old enough to be told any details about the past, the focus is definitely on day-to-day survival and trying to figure a way to deal with the Androids... Not to mention that there's only Bulma left who knows about it. Like, sure, it's a *little* weird that she didn't specifiy that Goku was going to teleport there to fight Frieza, but hell, maybe she just forgot, it's been a traumatic decade or two. Not a plot hole.
"Why was Trunks worried that if Bulma heard he was her future son, it might prevent her birth, even though he later shows that he clearly knows he's in a separate timeline?"
Like you say, he could just be talking about prime timeline Trunks being born. That aside; Trunks is a hot-headed Saiyan, they're pretty prone to jumping into action without actually thinking things through. It wouldn't be too weird for him to *academically* know that "fixing" a separate timeline won't actually help his own, but still want to try on the basis of "I have to do *something* ", and likewise act as though this is his past. In fact, I haven't read the manga, but the page you showed seemed to show him coming to the realisation that his trip was kinda pointless, with Yamcha literally asking the question. I wonder what his answer was on the next page? Anyway, bad character decisions are not plot holes.
"Why were 17 & 18, and then Cell, the villains, when Trunks said 19 & 20 were the issue?"
I think a lot here depends on who Trunks winds up fighting when he goes back at the end of the saga in the manga. If he goes back and we see it was 17 & 18 that were wreaking havoc then, yeah, that's seems like a plot hole, plain and simple.
"Why did Cell talk about potentially taking Trunks' cells, when he couldn't have done that in his original timeline?"
The Fandom wiki claims another Future Trunks from a different timeline did kill Frieza/Cold, but that seems to be something they've just inferred based on Cell saying they could've added Trunks cells, so a bit of circular logic there. That aside, even if there was no Future Trunks in Cell's original timeline to take Cells from... there was still regular ol' Trunks, who lived his entire life until time travelling before Cell emerged. So there was definitely opportunity for them to use *a* Trunks' cells, even if not during that specific event. So this isn't a plot hole... but more by accident than planning, they clearly were implying the cells were taken from the Trunks who killed Frieza/Cold.
"Why was Trunks' time machine set to go back to before he originally appeared when Cell used it, instead of after?"
Weird, but unless Trunks at some point said "this time machine can't be set before this point" or "I'll come back a year from now, have on, let me set the return co-ordinates, can someone hand me a calendar?" or something, then... like, this is *weird,* but just an unanswered question.
You bring up the idea that maybe he wanted to go back and make a better timeline and then dismiss it, but maybe he learnt about Cell, and was planning to go back again and take that into account on his next attempt? Maybe Bulmer re-programmed it for some reason we're not aware of? Maybe Cell didn't check the owners manual and hit the wrong controls, or accidentally brushed the "-1 year" button a few times with his tail without noticing? Like, this is clearly explainable, even if we haven't been given the explanation. Remember; a plot hole isn't just "something we haven't been told", it's "something that contradicts what we have been told", and this doesn't actually contradict anything. Not a plot hole.
(If there is a plot hole here, it's Piccolo floating his nonsensical "he probably wanted to travel to our past to tell us about his victory" theory. Come on, KP, you're the smartest guy around, you have to know that doesn't make sense!)
"How does Cell not know Piccolo can regrow his arm when he has his cells?"
You share 60 percent of your DNA with a banana. Do you know everything a banana tree can do? If someone told you the how it creates its bark, how some internal chemical is synthesized, how it responds to different types of soil, would you be like "uhh, yeah, I know, I have loads of banana DNA already, duh"? Are you even fully aware of everything your *own* body does? Like, sure, you just inherently know some thing your body can do... no-one had to teach you how to breathe... But there are other things your body is capable of that it either does without your awareness, or you need to learn you can do before you can do it (like, I dunno, someone first realising they have double-jointed elbows). Not a plot hole.
"How did Cell regenerate from the Kamehameha that vaporised his head, when later he says that his regeneration relies on a mass in his head?"
I'm... torn on this one. Like, as you said, there *is* a pretty simple explanation (that the mass is *currently* in his head when he says that, but he can move it anywhere in his body, and it just wasn't in his head the first time around)... But there's nothing in the story to actually support that, and it doesn't seem to be the intent. Yeah, OK, plot hole.
So, 2/7 of these "plot holes" were plot holes. Actually not bad, in 2023 terms, when the term is so misused!
about cell saying they didn't take trunk's cells it's obvious they meant future trunks and not toddler trunks. It's really a reach trying to excuse it as that what they could have meant when it defies any logic. Reality is that toriyama as always paid no attention to what he was writing and just messed up.
I don’t think you’re boring, I really enjoy your videos. That being said, thank you got making them and posting them!
did you lose weight?
Yeah, around 100 lbs.
@@LSMMIKE Awesome, dude, you look great!
@@LSMMIKE how long did that take you?
How can anyone try to argue with Mike when he just shows you the proof right there
Actually, for the regeneration part, there's a way it can be argued that I haven't seen many mention, or rather not explained in this manner much. The Frieza race can stay alive under almost any conditions. Frieza was blown almost entirely to bits on namek. Couple that with namekian regeneration, and it'd make sense how Cell is very hard to put down.
I like the abridged version of Trunk’s explanation on time travel . “More than I thought, less than I should”
The biggest plot hole is everyone going super saiyan.
Cell and Boo sagas are mess but so creative and fun. I could rewatch them endlessly, they are this entertaining
About the "Trunks didn't know about Instint transmission" thing.
Maby future, Bulma lied to him so that Trunks could kill Frieza and earn
Gokus trust
You been slimming down Mike!! Looks like Harold got you on his fitness regimen! Bench pressing the book of infinity & the earth with one pinky! Glad to see it!
Look, I’m not dying on any hills, but it’s possible Cell has a BETTER version of Piccolo regeneration 🙄
The one that always annoys me is why in god's name didn't anyone think that Goku could teach trunks instant transmission so he can go to namek and wish everyone back in his time... Or .... Have briefs / bulma capsule a ship to get to namek in his own time.
I feel like the first “plot hole” isn’t one in my eyes. I think he just wants that timeline to have a Trunks.
LaughingStock?! Your back! Your still wrong about the universe 6 Sayains, but I’m glad you’re back!
My son got back into shape! That's dope! And he's uploading again!💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Any argument I had about the alternate Future Trunks being a part of the inconsistentncies or plot holes you addressed or acknowledged so I apperciate that. You are very thurough in covering all bases.
The Spot Fest 5 star wrestling match thing about Goku vs Cell was hilarious to me lol
Well done, I enjoyed your editing and humor, while sharing "cell saga best saga" beyond any doubt.
Dude, you're one of my favorite dbz youtubers. I listen to every one of your videos everytime they come up. Haters will br haters. Everyone has them, but you are still making money bro. They have to go to your video to make those comments.
Head up, bro
Trunks realized that his future will be unaffected by time travel
Loved the video Laughingstock! I love when u point out stuff in db like plot holes or u talking about your theories!
I think Future Trunks wants the main timeline Trunks to be Born eventually.
That is the only way I can describe the earlier plot hole.
Bulma was somehow able to build a time machine for her son to use and never taught him how the multiverse works because she apparently didn't know.
The best head canon i've read about the timing of Cell's arrival to the main timeline is that Trunks defeated 17 and 18 with the shutdown device but his Saiyan pride made him want to go back to prevent himself from taking the easy way out.
Cell could be talking about baby Trunks, because he doesn't actually mention taking Trunks' cells from the attack.
He did say if there was even a microscopic pice. So there could have been just that
DragonBall abridged actually fixed the 2nd plot hole regarding trunks knowledge. It was put down that bulma wasn't sure which theory of time travel would work and concluded multiverse theory was correct. Trunks was not aware until he returned to the future and saw nothing changed he realized the past and the future were separate. This is why when he returned he had the new knowledge
even in the original one, they ask TRUNKS, "WHY HE CAME BACK if he cant change" and he said because of "Mother" Bulma told him in the future we have to try to travel back in time to try to save our time, and if that doesn't work, at least prevent another bad future from happening.
@SuperHns exactly so no plot hole
I choose to imagine Cell just is just making things up to justify himself because he'd feel embarrassed otherwise.
I like to think trunks just asked his mom to fully explain time travel to him after he came back from killing freeza
This is my favorite saga from the entire series aside the Buu one. Also glad your back, missed you.