I mean saitama can win with his growth like broly did Murata himself said he will make saitama stronger than terra 2 Terra 2 before debunk scaled to boundless or high outer But currently if goku doesnt let saitama grow goku handwaves the verse casually
@ka_killers2088 your right he doesn't have broly kind of growth He's superior The only reason broly seems more impressive is becuz he fought goku so he had someone much stronger to grow off of Garou is much weaker so he couldn't get as much gains as broly did Broly grew so much cuz goku and vegeta were much much stronger at the start of the fight But either way If murata actually follows up on his word making saitama stronger than terra 2 saitama Goku gets gapped casually
I believe that end of gt goku entering his changed state directly parallels the ending of the journey to the west where Sun Wukong attains enlightenment by entering a state of Nirvana and transcending everything in existence, essentially becoming the strongest.
Thats exactly what it symbolises and its exactly why the ending of GT is the perfect send off for Dragonball. Both Mori Jin from GoH and Goku from GT have a similar ending, achieving enlightenment and looking over reality as a god.
There is an impressive feat in terms of speed The baby Revenge Death Ball attack was able to reach Kibito Kai during his teleportation Later we see Goku SSJ4 reacting to the same attack
I think that's infinite or Irreveant speed feat and omnipotent feat because it transend that dimension that takes you to a location instantly and entering a realm with rules that you can't escape from, kinda like backrooms which he destroys
REALLY happy to see not only people realizing how underrated GT is, but that the scaling in comparison to Super wasn’t what a lot of the fandom that for years.
@@Pack52022 GT Perfect Files state it. And it’d make sense that he did. Rilldo surpasses Boo, Infant Bebi surpasses Rilldo, Base Goten surpasses Teen Bebi and Base Gohan matches Super Saiyan Goten. Right there we could be looking at a Base Gohan who’s more than 50x Super Vegetto from the Boo Arc. Not to mention the Super 17 Arc where Majoob believed a Kamehameha from BASE Gohan did something to Super 17 despite his own punches/kicks having zero effect.
@@tiltltt ok well u wouldn't mind if there is a goku movie or navel that has a reference to them tbh seeing how dragon is base off mythology it'll be cool
@@djn6962 that's the thing, it wasn't him but he did comment on the video I'm talking about. He has created a very long video on GT power scaling, but not specifically Goku. The guys mic quality also sounded like it was from a 2015 dell built in laptop mic
2 Issues 1) The Toei statement seems weird to me because 4 is consistently compared to Vegito which isn't that scary for characters on that level , if it said SSJ 4 Goku it would seem more logical 2)I think that theres a Toriyama statement about Arale being stronger than Goku that would contredict that
1) - The Toei statement doesn’t really matter because it’s not apart of the scaling. I brought it up because of the thumbnail. 2) - that Arale>Goku statement was made when Goku was a child in OG dragon ball not anytime after that so it doesn’t apply at all.
i don’t think that arale should even be considered or compared to goku. she doesn’t obey the laws of fiction so no matter what she will always be over him
Can you scale Alien X? I see a lot of people say he's universal and then a lot of others say that he's anywhere from multiversal - boundless. While I highly doubt he's a boundless being, I'd just like to get your take on it considering that you're a reliable and unbiased scaler.
What people don't understand is that Gt Goku has 15 years over Super Goku. By EOZ (10 years)he's already surpassed his Buu Saga self entirely in base(Even Ssj3), 5 years of training with someone as power as kid buu (Uub). If you think the amount of time training means nothing, Frieza training for 10 years gave him the ability to oneshot both Goku and Vegeta in their strongest forms. Think about that.
Super Goku still trained better and got drastically stronger. GT Goku having more experience doesn't really matter when Super Goku is so much stronger than him.
The DBS Manga Trailer/PV on the Official Dragon Ball Site is captioned saying that DBS Goku is the newest and strongest iteration of Goku, if we really want to go about comparing alternate timelines and his portrayal across media. This trailer includes Ultra Instinct Goku in the mix though. And obviously this is presented to us despite GT being acknowledged as a grand side story.
"captioned saying that DBS Goku is the newest and strongest iteration of Goku" NEWEST STRONGEST, that means he's the strongest of THIS era, that doesn't mean he's stronger than GT goku it just means that DBS goku is the strongest as of this period of time. if daima does well they'll probably say HE'S the strongest goku of all time, that's how these companies are, they're gonna big up what makes them more money, but you knew that.
More often than not super fanboys hate on gt just likw how WWE fanboys hate on AEW. Its a plague of the internet and competition it seems. Either way super is underrated and would have been the perfect opportunity to introduce it possibly in the universal tournament since some universes are completely different or similar
@@EbrahimSJTbecause the Dragon Ball Macrocosm is made up of multiple space time continuums that are at least Universe-sized. Destroying it is a Low-Multiversal Feat.
Goku does get at least to 5D, the subspace is canon to GT and Super, suguruku space is explored in GT and it is considered as a space between dimensions, I’m not big Astro physicists or whatever but going beyond multiple infinite sized dimensions should account for something, greater level of infinite since it is basically what it is beyond these endless spaces, this might not be an outright dimensional transcendence because it is never stated at least not directly but it is at least kind of implied because supreme Kai’s technique is stated to be not limited by distance but he still can warp to to dimension, I’ll leave this up to your interpretation as you power scalers but that’s not all what’s even more impressive is that the subspace is supposed to be even more spacial since siguroku space and Room of spirit and time are stated be recognised here meaning that the siguroku space that supreme can’t warp into, is not even the main villain and this is subspace stated to have no concept of space and time which is a pretty big stated because this is not zero dimensional but DB only cap at 4D is the biggest cap out there. I don’t know where they scale but 5D is minimum for sure.
What I would really hope for in the future is for super sayain 4 to be utilized in the super timeline, I really would like the idea of an even truer sayain form that draws out the essence of sayains more. as opposed to continued transformation leads to new transformation leads to new... you get the picture, super sayain 4 would be something akin to the new form that has combined everything that sayain has acheived. Like it could have the unique characteristics of each sayain fighter, goku's is mixed with ultra instinct (so maybe white), Vegeta with ultra ego so maybe purple, broly green (brute strength I guess), even gohan could get somethign mixed with beast, and they would all be acheiving an "ultimate form" in their own ways... and with that ultimate sayain form their power would be free to grow to any peak as long as they fight it!
Well now that toyotaro is in charge of dragon ball now as toriyamas successor I believe he can make that happen, maybe the even hinted ssj5 from GT by bulma. Only reason we don’t have it in super is because toriyama said he didn’t feel like drawing the tails and too much of a design felt like too much for him to draw. And I don’t see too much of a problem with that since he’s spending days and even months to years. However that still makes him seem lazy to most people since that’s the whole reason he just stopped including sayain tails as a whole, also why bulls never had one mentioned at all
Actually omega shenron's negative energy is more similar to pollution or corrosion than raw power. An example of this is one of the shadows dragon's used this next to water and the water looked as if it was polluted with toxin's. I must also add with Omega shenron this was said to be over time not in an instant. Yes they did show the effects over time but it was not an immediate feat. I must also add kid buu over time could destroy the universe as well. But i must ask the question when they mention kid buu and omega shenron being able to destroy the universe over time how much time are we talking about? Is it a year ? Is it two year's? Is it 30 year's?
@@ToasterXD edit: turns out it wasnt even in a crunchyroll interview... and was fabricated by an ai generator. So someone actually lied to you about that.. and i thought it was fake but it aint even a scan, just fanmade
I don't see how Whis would be afraid when He was casually dancing with Brolly who was powerful enough to punch out Super-dimensional space and reality. The Perfect Files and Raw Perfect Files all states Omega and Sin Sheron are galaxy busters
I'm going to be honest, that part where you read that paragraph talking about Super Saiyan 4 & how both God Ki user & Whis should be afraid of a Super Saiyan 4 user feels like a mega fan of the transformation broke into Toei's offices, wrote that statement, & posted with the employees deciding to keep it up for shits & gigs
It does seem like that. Since in heroes it seems that ssj 4 is on par with ssj blue. plus we where never told the multipliers of 4, fp4, ufp4, lb4, god, blue, kkblue ,blue evolution, ui, mui, tui, ue, and more.
@@marvelous971-j6m there's no multiplier anymore now in super it's just power wanking and every arc they're infinitely stronger and still lose all the time
It’s a Crunchyroll interview, it doesn’t have much bearing anyway because it’s not like it was stated by the actual writer of the Super Anime. It’s a babble statement just like the Koyama ones
@@jafsjafs8820GT is in fact canon. Toei and Shueisha released an “official chronological timeline of events” with dates and everything, that included all the events of GT… Likewise, Takao Koyama, the lead script/screenplay writer for DBZ said that GT is the official continuation of Z, and that “ignoring it is not the answer.” So you, some random guy online can say it’s not canon, but all official sources say otherwise, and I believe the owners of the IP have more authority on that topic than you do, haha
Let's not forget that GT goku is movie goku because movie villains have appeared in GT. So nothing only did he fight the original Z villains but he fought all the movie villains too.
Okay....yeah....sure....whatever.....but.....Can He Beat Goku Tho? 🤔 I personally put Super Goku at Outerversal+ and Gt Goku at Outerversal+++ lowballed....because I said so. 🗿XD But for real tho, love your videos. Always be giving us banger after banger. It always keeps me motivated and inspired to improve my skills for my content. Can't wait to see more. 👍
I always belive and proved that GT is far to exagerated than Super & keep telling everybody but they are too ignorant being trolls, W video my man, good work👍🏻
@@jocoolshow lmao anime krillin would slam manga goku an I'm not joking lmao He's way faster He's not as strong but can still kill him with a destructo disk, as it's not too big of difference
Super takes place in 774-784 that is the 10 year time skip to end of and gt takes place after z so sssj 4 goku would slap the shit outta beerus and whis 😂😂😂
2:33 - Actually that's not true, the power didn't necessarily change, Although it's implied because of the statement goku made about his SSJ3 transformation and him turning into a kid, and being that his kid form has lower stamina than his adult form. And also, to clarify, I think, deomstration, Omega Shenrons negative energy was going to Destroy the universe, but over time, However Goku's clashes with Beerus was going to destroy the universe instantaneously with that last clash if Goku wasn't trying to control it. This is similar to Also Buu, as he was going to destroy the universe ovewr time, as he was wiping out galaxies casually. This would Make Shenron a universal threat, and wipe the universe out in due time. 12:00 - Just wondering where you found this statement, I can't find it on Google XD.
Saying he beats Beerus and Whis is insane considering what Xenoverse and Heroes (things Akira Toriyama himself supervised) had to say about that. There’s also material stating he transcends everything. Beerus no diffed Arale so it’s irrelevant. Gogeta/Vegito in SS4 are the strongest characters in GT, Beerus did not view SS4 Gogeta as a threat in Xenoverse he just said “haha wow! That is an amazing power!” Meanwhile SS4 Gogeta is like “maybe I can defeat Lord Beerus now!”, remember… the strongest being in GT’s world is saying he can “maybe” defeat Beerus when Beerus is just entertaining the idea as a joke. You might be wondering why GT Gogeta knows Beerus right? It’s because BOG happened in GT’s timeline. Beerus is clearly way above anything in GT and that is not even accounting for his Ultra Ego power introduced in the Super manga. The intention is clearly for Dragon Ball Super characters to be above GT characters. This is not even considering the many statements of Resurrection F onwards to Super’s battles being stated to introduce power unprecedented in the series, have the worst possible threats and have the strongest enemies in DB History (and if I included statements such as having fights beyond imagination then that just solidifies it more).
Yo, so you do know that xenoverse and super heroes isn’t GT right? Thats not the actual GT goku, that’s a time patrol version of him who had ssj4, only it was toriyamas adaptation because he didn’t make GT, obviously since a lot of characters weren’t regressed in development and intelligence. Along with being consistent in not forgetting a lot of things
Fair logic. And i also believe BoG took place in the GT timeline. But you cant use xenoverse as a reliable power-scaling tool. For example, Kefla was taken aback by Z Broly’s power whilst Z Broly wasn’t scared of fighting her at all. Its also worth noting that dbs xenoverse goku is outerversal easily and heavily outscales his anime counterparts. I also think that when it comes to dbs characters being stronger than GT characters, id refer to the angels, grand priest and the inhabitants of Zeno’s kingdom rather than parts of the main dbs cast itself. Its also worth considering that Anime and manga beerus are leagues apart in terms of power. Anime Beerus has been surpassed by blue gogeta whereas manga beerus still towers above black frieza due to further retcons of his power level. And in my opinion, 4 gogeta would definitely beat dbs anime beerus.
Unless you've got a link to the source, I recommend just cutting out that last fake interview cause fake scans aren't good for your channel's reputation i still hope it's actually real, tho
Isn't gt only a continuation of the anime? Would the statement, about goku being the strongest, even apply, considering the Image Shows manga goku? I don't think there is any Kind of evidence to say that gt goku is stronger than arale.
yall need to understand just because there was a 10 yr timeskip doesnt mean he progressed in strength the same way canon goku did nor does that mean he progressed further, keep in mind ssjg bog goku solos ssj4 gogeta
@@killinghawkz Homeboy yo ahh don't watch dragon ball LMAO You need to pay attention dawg , just cause Gogeta is a fusion don't mean nun, SSJG is superior to Metamoran fusion
@@asdaasda-wd5qw '''yall need to understand just because there was a 10 yr timeskip doesnt mean he progressed in strength'''' my guy yo goofy ahh didnt watch dbgt.. goku base waay stronger than any version of buu dumbahh
Still think super goku is stronger because the feats beats statements like I saw all of gt and never saw goku fight that gag character 🤷🏽♂️ and the episodes she does show up in are filler and not canon to the manga like gt you want the answer well it was shown in dragon ball heroes super goku beat ssj4 limit breaker goku in a fight and if I am correct that’s a more powerful version of this gt goku
How the fuck are you talking about whis being scared of ss4 when whis hasnt even SEEN ss4. Gt came out almost three decades ago...Im calling straight up bullshit one this one dude.
he isnt da only 1 there are a couple videos proving dat GT is far stronger than dese casuals choose to give it credit for and dat ss4 is waaaaay stronger than people realize
@@dinomoney2142 naw super smokes gt he ain't even do shit to supers scaling and took all scaling from arale and only gave it to gt goku plus that lastscale is really just bs
Nope, if he was hyperversal he would one shot every villain in GT who are not hyperversal based on feats and this would be consistent in GT's story. If GT Goku is hyperversal this would be supported in the story, the same goes for DBS Goku.
@@j.i.k2.044 In GT he became the strongest existence especially after merging with shenron, gaining omnipresence due to him being able to able and go anywhere and able to grant wishes, he also trained for a hundred years.
@@j.i.k2.044 You seem to be unable to understand that if a strong character is facing threats than obviously those threats should be on the same scale.
@@KingRycon Merging with Shenron might make him the strongest by GT standards but definitely not the strongest being in existence, Goku did not gain Omnipotence that's purely headcanon 😂😂
@@KingRycon GT Goku as a SSJ4 could not defeat Omega Shenron who himself is barely universal, the GT perfect files also state that Syn Shenron is galaxy level at most
No, they still are. It’s just however high you can get Dr. Slump. It doesn’t really change anything about the cosmology at all which is my contentions that I’ve had and still have
GT was made way before super and all the concepts of "God ki" didn't exist for characters that weren't innately adept or could absorb it. I would say, other than for the sake of the plot there is no reason to suggest GT Goku is stronger than UI Goku or Beerus and GT will get retconned.
@@Zakurai-m1z I think it's best, to treat Arale as a concept outside the Dragon Ball universe. The character doesn't impact the main plot at all. It is one of these things, that are cameos and not actual things to consider. Think of Tom Bombadill from Tolkiens LOTR for contrast.
@@amadeuszjankowski9212 but the claim that arale in DB is cameo and not original one needs proof as well. coz there is too many instances and that will mean she exist in same world too. more like a marvel cameo. it could be a different character but exist in same world. this is just theory btw. i dont think GT is stronger coz of that instead i put him above coz of feats. but still a good theory
@Zakurai-m1z I'm not sure what you mean. She is a character from a different manga, I think that's proof enough. She also doesn't impact the main storyline in any way and is essentially filler. She has nothing to do with Dragon Ball.
@@amadeuszjankowski9212 she is from different manga. sure but she exist in same dragon ball verse. Just like how iron man is shown in spiderman homecoming. it still is a part of overall verse. we literally see her beating ssj blue goku and vegeta in DBS. she has been shown in the show multiple times. overall she will be the part of DB that end of Z still scale higher. but its not even necessary to scale GT. coz baby vegeta feat of warping kaikai realm alone make him stronger than anyone in early DBS. also filler is just more of a fan theory lol. GT follows Z anime as whole so it has all the fillers and scalings from anime including fillers. if you say arale is filler only then that just buff GT goku far more than DBS that way. coz that would give GT goku all filler buffs but DBS gets none.
EoGT Goku basically achieved what is known as the Nirvana state in Buddhism and a lot of eastern religion mythology. He basically ascends to a higher dimension or a higher level of consciousness. It is a similar concept to the 8th sense used in Masami Kurumada's canon Saint Seiya
@@sammysam2142SSG goku has feats comparable to omega shenron🤦🏿♂️ and EOS villain from GT. That power is then absorbed in base by goku meaning SSG goku= Base Goku. So basically Enlightened GT goku is comparable to BASE goku. And that’s just from BOG. Don’t even need to say all that. Gogeta blue dogs anyone in GT, goku in PUI is comparable to Gogeta blue. Nuff said
What Beerus and Goku did in Super is weak, it's multi planetary at best as if it WAS universal in terms of power output, Why is earth unaffected? Why was it stated to grow in power as the energy goes on? even then, AT IT'S PEAK in power, it hit the Kaio planet where Shin is, guess what? nothing. It only destroyed planets so that's a fact people disregard
My guy it was legit disintegrating entire planets into nothing even though the punches weren't supposed to destroy anything by the 5th or the 6th punch, the planets you see getting destroyed are gas giants that are so far away we can't even comprehend
@@doomknight2542so you just gonna ignore both the characters and writers stating that they were about to destroy the universe? Your logic doesn't really work in the context of storytelling, logically earth probably should have been destroyed, but that doesn't make sense story wise. You gotta remember that the story comes before everything, almost nothing that happens is with power scaling in mind.
@@Monkeylighthouse I ignore what doesn't happen and what isn't factual. The blows created by the two didn't even destroy Earth, or stars Not when the Kai's planet either If it was going to destroy the universe, it'd be everything inside. Not the actual universe Besides, destroying something overtime does not put you in that area. It's completely stupid If it let's say, took 1 year straight, just to destroy the universe. are they universal? No, you gotta do it in one shot. One battle, no problem
Its crazy how high GT Goku is being scaled these days, but even with this I don't see him beating Super Goku. Super Gokus feats are more reliable and consistent whereas with GT Goku a lot of it relies on personal interpretation (head canon) so for that reason alone GT Goku loses 💯
@@cantstopbrock So does base Goku between the end of battle of gods and RoF alone lol, so I don't see your point. Goku has many more feats that are consistent like shaking the infinite void, briefly surpassing beings who wished to be the universe's strongest mortal, breaking out of Hits pocket dimension with just his raw power, surpassing Belmod. In the Broly movie Super Saiyan Gogeta and Broly was enough to shatter time and space with a beam clash which is all facts with no head canon needed
@@j.i.k2.044 There are some headcanons there, the boohan feat and even the bills one could be debatably hax, "infinite void" is not actually infinite in size, that was just mistranslation, breaking Hits pocket dimensions could also not mean much considering that dragon ball super have a logic that a character with more ki, can break out of anyone's technique and hax if that person is less powerful. even the Gogeta vs Broly is debatable, everything is debatable when it comes to GT feats and Super feats. this can always go both ways. none of the 2 are super reliable.
Super Dragon Ball Heros had Xeno Goku and Super Goku fight each other, not entirely sure if Xeno Goku is GT Goku, but Goku had to go UI in order to beat him, so yes, Super Goku can beat GT Goku (If that's who he was fighting during that time period)
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@@X-ray39 *Goku Time
Remember when people say Saitama scaled to goku because he kicked hyperspace 😂. When garlic jr summoned one at will by ki alone lol
Lmao OK let's bring up kid goku throwing hands with arale and him breaking a manga panel.
It was against yamcha@@badprofilepic882
I mean saitama can win with his growth like broly did
Murata himself said he will make saitama stronger than terra 2
Terra 2 before debunk scaled to boundless or high outer
But currently if goku doesnt let saitama grow goku handwaves the verse casually
@@jonathanbenoit-mj9cvhe doesn’t have Broly kind of growth sorry to tell you without the gag character gimmick he gets bodied in dragon ball super
@ka_killers2088 your right he doesn't have broly kind of growth
He's superior
The only reason broly seems more impressive is becuz he fought goku so he had someone much stronger to grow off of
Garou is much weaker so he couldn't get as much gains as broly did
Broly grew so much cuz goku and vegeta were much much stronger at the start of the fight
But either way
If murata actually follows up on his word making saitama stronger than terra 2 saitama
Goku gets gapped casually
I believe that end of gt goku entering his changed state directly parallels the ending of the journey to the west where Sun Wukong attains enlightenment by entering a state of Nirvana and transcending everything in existence, essentially becoming the strongest.
That does make a lot of sense, considering Goku's omnipresence when he says goodbye to everyone. Its quite poetic.
Thats exactly what it symbolises and its exactly why the ending of GT is the perfect send off for Dragonball. Both Mori Jin from GoH and Goku from GT have a similar ending, achieving enlightenment and looking over reality as a god.
@@fishnutz5196Except Goku never was and never did become a God lol.
@@ZackSNetwork no he didnt but its symbolism of him achieving godhood
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Filthy Raditz.
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Honestly I have some fond memories of GT from when I was first introduced to Dragonball and found out there was a continuation of dragon ball after Z
Me too but I also have fond memories of growing up and realizing how terrible it actually is.
@@TheSCPStudiowell that was a little upsetting, but to each their own
GT Goku is extremely strong, many underestimate him
That's because many GT fans overestimate him
not really@@j.i.k2.044
@j.i.k2.044cry more dbstard
@@j.i.k2.044literally stronger than ssg goku from battle gods
@@ty.shota23 Nope he lacks the feats to back it up
There is an impressive feat in terms of speed
The baby Revenge Death Ball attack was able to reach Kibito Kai during his teleportation
Later we see Goku SSJ4 reacting to the same attack
I think that's infinite or Irreveant speed feat and omnipotent feat because it transend that dimension that takes you to a location instantly and entering a realm with rules that you can't escape from, kinda like backrooms which he destroys
@@TCBlueFire
yes , it's Irreveant speed Because sub space transcends the concept of time and space
You explained the omega shenron universal feat in the best way🔥
It isnt universal bud
@@ty.shota23you’re right, it’s multi universal
@@megawarrior_101it macrocasm, similar to beerus and god goku clash but by existing
The macrocasm was collapsing due to this mans aura😭🙏@@TCBlueFire
@@glitch6436LMFAOO
REALLY happy to see not only people realizing how underrated GT is, but that the scaling in comparison to Super wasn’t what a lot of the fandom that for years.
so this means base gohan gt far greater than gohan super hero ultimate
@@omnijonn277yes
Maybe, but it also depends on the characters power@@omnijonn277
@@omnijonn277I heard from someone it was stated somewhere that Gohan actually somewhat kept up with his training in gt but not sure if it's true
@@Pack52022 GT Perfect Files state it. And it’d make sense that he did.
Rilldo surpasses Boo, Infant Bebi surpasses Rilldo, Base Goten surpasses Teen Bebi and Base Gohan matches Super Saiyan Goten. Right there we could be looking at a Base Gohan who’s more than 50x Super Vegetto from the Boo Arc.
Not to mention the Super 17 Arc where Majoob believed a Kamehameha from BASE Gohan did something to Super 17 despite his own punches/kicks having zero effect.
The Goku in the daizenshuu with Bulma beside him looks SO cursed.
Almost has a Baki vibe to it lol
Waku waku
It kinda looks like ntr fanart, lmfaoooooo
he looks like he came from a creepypasta
it looks like he about to groom some kids probably pan
After all these years, maybe GT Goku's state EOS is inspired by buddhism, chinese spirituality or even the story of Sun Wukong itself.
He base off and inspired mostly journey of the West
@@quintonbrooks7536 and journey to the west has elements from all of these lmao
@@tiltltt ok well u wouldn't mind if there is a goku movie or navel that has a reference to them tbh seeing how dragon is base off mythology it'll be cool
@@tiltlttI ment to put the ladder I typo
@@tiltltt stop cursing its a sin
Finaly someone who understands the scaling of gt and the scaling of dragon ball overall people always downplay dragon ball especially dragon ball GT
I even heard some say gt at best is galaxy level can you believe it
I’ve been trying to explain how Goku scales above Arale, due to just existing in the DB world, on your Saitama vs Raid video.
I wonder if you can help me. A while ago i saw a video that was over 4 hours long detailing only SSJ4 Goku's power scaling. The uploader was British.
Pretty sure that you’re talking about Saiyan Scholar
@@djn6962 that's the thing, it wasn't him but he did comment on the video I'm talking about. He has created a very long video on GT power scaling, but not specifically Goku. The guys mic quality also sounded like it was from a 2015 dell built in laptop mic
@@thomaslodger7675ah, then I really don’t know. Sorry haha
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What's the source on that final statement from Toei in the video? GT Goku being stronger than Whis definitely has some implications.
2 Issues
1) The Toei statement seems weird to me because 4 is consistently compared to Vegito which isn't that scary for characters on that level , if it said SSJ 4 Goku it would seem more logical
2)I think that theres a Toriyama statement about Arale being stronger than Goku that would contredict that
1) - The Toei statement doesn’t really matter because it’s not apart of the scaling. I brought it up because of the thumbnail.
2) - that Arale>Goku statement was made when Goku was a child in OG dragon ball not anytime after that so it doesn’t apply at all.
@@ToasterXDwhere is the statement from? like is there a source I can't seem to find it I really want to see the post.
@@retroguy95it’s from a multiplier guide lmao. That guide isn’t valid at all
@@tay14741but your made up numbers are totally canon
Could you give a source for the Toei statement in 12:00 ? the one with whis being afraid in it
would be great if he did, I can't find it anywhere.
@@retroguy95 yeah it's fake
@@fffuuuyyyuuu4475cry
@@fffuuuyyyuuu4475 it's not fake I found it, it's from one of those test things to see what character you are
@@retroguy95 do you have a link to it?
i don’t think that arale should even be considered or compared to goku. she doesn’t obey the laws of fiction so no matter what she will always be over him
She even made Beerus obey her gag
Apparently the writers dont agree with you
@@hardcoore_gyt9254Beerus flicked Arale away with his ki.
Every fictional character does not obey the laws of physics
@@uzookafor8721 yea i said the laws of fiction not physics
Can you scale Alien X? I see a lot of people say he's universal and then a lot of others say that he's anywhere from multiversal - boundless.
While I highly doubt he's a boundless being, I'd just like to get your take on it considering that you're a reliable and unbiased scaler.
He's Hyperversal/1-B, 26th Dimensional more specifically
I wouldn't say he's a reliable nor unbiased scaler lmfao
What people don't understand is that Gt Goku has 15 years over Super Goku. By EOZ (10 years)he's already surpassed his Buu Saga self entirely in base(Even Ssj3), 5 years of training with someone as power as kid buu (Uub). If you think the amount of time training means nothing, Frieza training for 10 years gave him the ability to oneshot both Goku and Vegeta in their strongest forms. Think about that.
Super Goku still trained better and got drastically stronger.
GT Goku having more experience doesn't really matter when Super Goku is so much stronger than him.
@@Jake_the_lad
Gt goku wins
@mohamedkhider6998 Maybe in your dreams he does, but in reality? Not at all.
@@Jake_the_lad
Your reality is not THE reality
So yeah
@mohamedkhider6998 Neither is yours. But in THE reality, super Goku stomps. So yeah
Now that you mention it, I hope you do an Invincible video sometime soon.
The DBS Manga Trailer/PV on the Official Dragon Ball Site is captioned saying that DBS Goku is the newest and strongest iteration of Goku, if we really want to go about comparing alternate timelines and his portrayal across media. This trailer includes Ultra Instinct Goku in the mix though.
And obviously this is presented to us despite GT being acknowledged as a grand side story.
Does not really matter cuz GT exist and is very exagerated.
"captioned saying that DBS Goku is the newest and strongest iteration of Goku" NEWEST STRONGEST, that means he's the strongest of THIS era, that doesn't mean he's stronger than GT goku it just means that DBS goku is the strongest as of this period of time.
if daima does well they'll probably say HE'S the strongest goku of all time, that's how these companies are, they're gonna big up what makes them more money, but you knew that.
Its also presented to us despite Game Xeno Goku existing
Bro could you pls scale the pokemon verse and characters like mewtwo, deoxys, palkia, dialga, rayquaza, arceus, and necrozma
More often than not super fanboys hate on gt just likw how WWE fanboys hate on AEW. Its a plague of the internet and competition it seems. Either way super is underrated and would have been the perfect opportunity to introduce it possibly in the universal tournament since some universes are completely different or similar
So at minimum universal, at maximum with the best interpretation, hyperversal
Minimum is Low Multiversal
@@OldFolkz How?
@@jocoolshow lol no
@@EbrahimSJTbecause the Dragon Ball Macrocosm is made up of multiple space time continuums that are at least Universe-sized. Destroying it is a Low-Multiversal Feat.
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0:59 is the first raditz
Archie sonic vs medaka
Real
Archie Sonic slaps no diff
Let's get some popcorn and watch the war break out on this comment
@@Breathe_slow me too bro
Medaka
Dont say that the dragon ball super fanbase wont be able handle it
Goku does get at least to 5D, the subspace is canon to GT and Super, suguruku space is explored in GT and it is considered as a space between dimensions, I’m not big Astro physicists or whatever but going beyond multiple infinite sized dimensions should account for something, greater level of infinite since it is basically what it is beyond these endless spaces, this might not be an outright dimensional transcendence because it is never stated at least not directly but it is at least kind of implied because supreme Kai’s technique is stated to be not limited by distance but he still can warp to to dimension, I’ll leave this up to your interpretation as you power scalers but that’s not all what’s even more impressive is that the subspace is supposed to be even more spacial since siguroku space and Room of spirit and time are stated be recognised here meaning that the siguroku space that supreme can’t warp into, is not even the main villain and this is subspace stated to have no concept of space and time which is a pretty big stated because this is not zero dimensional but DB only cap at 4D is the biggest cap out there. I don’t know where they scale but 5D is minimum for sure.
Can u do beerus vs kaguya and yhwach
Great video I'm just tired of people thinking that GT Goku is stronger than anime itself or outerversal
GT Goku is brocken
@@Razamaniacyour grammar is broken
@@devin6079 my keyboard is for sure
Oh btw for kid Buu feat, The Grand Kai Planet contains an extra dimensional space
Where did you get that last Toei statement from of how Super Saiyan 4 can scare off Whis?
It’s simple there is no whereBeerus in for GT
@pasty188 crunchyroll interview
@@Gogeta2501 Which crunchyroll interview was that? You got a link?
its fanmade
Actually whis saw goku can do ui (actually before ui was a thing) and was shocked goku can do it casually
So Cabba doesn’t solo at all
This video is great, so many other creators downplay super saying for to be even less than univerasal
What I would really hope for in the future is for super sayain 4 to be utilized in the super timeline, I really would like the idea of an even truer sayain form that draws out the essence of sayains more. as opposed to continued transformation leads to new transformation leads to new... you get the picture, super sayain 4 would be something akin to the new form that has combined everything that sayain has acheived. Like it could have the unique characteristics of each sayain fighter, goku's is mixed with ultra instinct (so maybe white), Vegeta with ultra ego so maybe purple, broly green (brute strength I guess), even gohan could get somethign mixed with beast, and they would all be acheiving an "ultimate form" in their own ways... and with that ultimate sayain form their power would be free to grow to any peak as long as they fight it!
Well now that toyotaro is in charge of dragon ball now as toriyamas successor I believe he can make that happen, maybe the even hinted ssj5 from GT by bulma. Only reason we don’t have it in super is because toriyama said he didn’t feel like drawing the tails and too much of a design felt like too much for him to draw. And I don’t see too much of a problem with that since he’s spending days and even months to years. However that still makes him seem lazy to most people since that’s the whole reason he just stopped including sayain tails as a whole, also why bulls never had one mentioned at all
Y’all know there are no gods of destruction up to zeno nor 13 universes in GT cosmology as a completely separate alternate reality right?
Epic 🔥
Actually omega shenron's negative energy is more similar to pollution or corrosion than raw power.
An example of this is one of the shadows dragon's used this next to water and the water looked as if it was polluted with toxin's.
I must also add with Omega shenron this was said to be over time not in an instant.
Yes they did show the effects over time but it was not an immediate feat.
I must also add kid buu over time could destroy the universe as well.
But i must ask the question when they mention kid buu and omega shenron being able to destroy the universe over time how much time are we talking about?
Is it a year ?
Is it two year's?
Is it 30 year's?
That scan saying "Even whis is afraid" is a fake scan, Before people think its real
It isn’t, it’s from a Crunchyroll interview
@@ToasterXD edit: turns out it wasnt even in a crunchyroll interview... and was fabricated by an ai generator. So someone actually lied to you about that.. and i thought it was fake but it aint even a scan, just fanmade
@@okaradragonicsaiyanit’s just transcripts from the interview.
@@ToasterXD all im saying is the real one doesnt say "even whis is afraid".
I don't see how Whis would be afraid when He was casually dancing with Brolly who was powerful enough to punch out Super-dimensional space and reality.
The Perfect Files and Raw Perfect Files all states Omega and Sin Sheron are galaxy busters
11:50 "who knows maybe he can beat super goku" MAYBE!? REALLY? after the way you scaled gt goku, super goku would get turned to ashes.
I'm going to be honest, that part where you read that paragraph talking about Super Saiyan 4 & how both God Ki user & Whis should be afraid of a Super Saiyan 4 user feels like a mega fan of the transformation broke into Toei's offices, wrote that statement, & posted with the employees deciding to keep it up for shits & gigs
It does seem like that. Since in heroes it seems that ssj 4 is on par with ssj blue. plus we where never told the multipliers of 4, fp4, ufp4, lb4, god, blue, kkblue ,blue evolution, ui, mui, tui, ue, and more.
@@marvelous971-j6m there's no multiplier anymore now in super it's just power wanking and every arc they're infinitely stronger and still lose all the time
@@roywempor8395There are multipliers it's just that they don't bother to try to make up one💀.
Stop cursing its a sin
@@gregkareem9824so is judging but here you are
Can i gove you recommendations of verses to powerscale?
That last Toei statment definitely seems fake. Whats the source?
It’s a Crunchyroll interview, it doesn’t have much bearing anyway because it’s not like it was stated by the actual writer of the Super Anime. It’s a babble statement just like the Koyama ones
@@ToasterXDso why are you using it for this video when you know it is fake?
@@jafsjafs8820it’s not a fake statement. It was a real statement made in a real interview. Can you even read?
@@djn6962 still not reliable and not canon kiddo. and the author never said about that.
@@jafsjafs8820GT is in fact canon. Toei and Shueisha released an “official chronological timeline of events” with dates and everything, that included all the events of GT…
Likewise, Takao Koyama, the lead script/screenplay writer for DBZ said that GT is the official continuation of Z, and that “ignoring it is not the answer.”
So you, some random guy online can say it’s not canon, but all official sources say otherwise, and I believe the owners of the IP have more authority on that topic than you do, haha
Let's not forget that GT goku is movie goku because movie villains have appeared in GT. So nothing only did he fight the original Z villains but he fought all the movie villains too.
Okay....yeah....sure....whatever.....but.....Can He Beat Goku Tho? 🤔
I personally put Super Goku at Outerversal+ and Gt Goku at Outerversal+++ lowballed....because I said so. 🗿XD But for real tho, love your videos. Always be giving us banger after banger. It always keeps me motivated and inspired to improve my skills for my content. Can't wait to see more. 👍
Happy to see GOATs supporting each other. Love your content, can’t wait for Broly.
Best recap
It's funny how you can highball gt goku to above whis. Or 5D - Hyperversal. Good video, though.
I agree
I can get behind 5D whis
But hyperversal? That is wank
@@permquestor218 I don't see any one in g t comparing too whis personally
Gt Goku is boundless. hypervesal is too weak
@@chocoburgersenpai1627boundless?
Where do you scale DBS Goku?
Would you say GT cosmology is bigger than super?
Not a chance
Gt’s cosmology is technically larger with the Suguru Space, but it doesn’t really offer anything tbh. And I scaled DBS Goku already
@@ToasterXD I would have to disagree GT is not larger than Super anyways super also has more powerful beings Anyways love the channel
@@ToasterXD Sorry, but I forgot where you scaled him to
The writer states change state goku is in a place where no one cant get to make me to believe it does applies to arale@@ToasterXD
Where did the Toei statement at the end come from?
Interview
@@Gogeta2501interview with who
12:00 whats the source for this?
Source: Trust me bro
End GT goku is the strongest goku by far
If I remember correctly there was a goku in like a game who fought someone who saw all of anime as well, anime. So he would be stronger than gt
Xeno goku, CC goku, and jump force goku are all stronger than GT goku by an embarrassing amount.
ayo man u should make a video on (Terra 2 saitama vs Goku) please
I always belive and proved that GT is far to exagerated than Super & keep telling everybody but they are too ignorant being trolls, W video my man, good work👍🏻
W Shirou Emiya pfp
Hey man how ya doin
Been a while since u took a break
He’s coming back Dw
Who is the strongest
Manga Z Goku or Anime Z Goku
Anime by far
Base Anime Z Goku probably stomps SSJ3 Z Goku
@@jocoolshow lmao anime krillin would slam manga goku an I'm not joking lmao
He's way faster
He's not as strong but can still kill him with a destructo disk, as it's not too big of difference
Bro, it’s the same story, they would be equal in everything.
@@AndersonBrowneJrfuck no,in the anime everything IS Wanked to Hell and Back,Namek Frieza would literally SLAM The Manga Cell Games
Super takes place in 774-784 that is the 10 year time skip to end of and gt takes place after z so sssj 4 goku would slap the shit outta beerus and whis 😂😂😂
2:33 - Actually that's not true, the power didn't necessarily change, Although it's implied because of the statement goku made about his SSJ3 transformation and him turning into a kid, and being that his kid form has lower stamina than his adult form.
And also, to clarify, I think, deomstration, Omega Shenrons negative energy was going to Destroy the universe, but over time, However Goku's clashes with Beerus was going to destroy the universe instantaneously with that last clash if Goku wasn't trying to control it. This is similar to Also Buu, as he was going to destroy the universe ovewr time, as he was wiping out galaxies casually. This would Make Shenron a universal threat, and wipe the universe out in due time.
12:00 - Just wondering where you found this statement, I can't find it on Google XD.
U didn't watch gt. Omega shenron had to suppress his life force so he wouldn't destroy the universe
Saying he beats Beerus and Whis is insane considering what Xenoverse and Heroes (things Akira Toriyama himself supervised) had to say about that. There’s also material stating he transcends everything.
Beerus no diffed Arale so it’s irrelevant. Gogeta/Vegito in SS4 are the strongest characters in GT, Beerus did not view SS4 Gogeta as a threat in Xenoverse he just said “haha wow! That is an amazing power!” Meanwhile SS4 Gogeta is like “maybe I can defeat Lord Beerus now!”, remember… the strongest being in GT’s world is saying he can “maybe” defeat Beerus when Beerus is just entertaining the idea as a joke. You might be wondering why GT Gogeta knows Beerus right? It’s because BOG happened in GT’s timeline.
Beerus is clearly way above anything in GT and that is not even accounting for his Ultra Ego power introduced in the Super manga.
The intention is clearly for Dragon Ball Super characters to be above GT characters.
This is not even considering the many statements of Resurrection F onwards to Super’s battles being stated to introduce power unprecedented in the series, have the worst possible threats and have the strongest enemies in DB History (and if I included statements such as having fights beyond imagination then that just solidifies it more).
DUDE you people need to stop saying "AkiRa ToRiYaMa SAID" dude stop LYING.
@@XxSpirothKurotamaMOONLIGHTxX so saying Toriyama supervised those materials is a lie?
Please shut up before I destroy you.
@@XxSpirothKurotamaMOONLIGHTxXbro said he’d destroy you lol
Yo, so you do know that xenoverse and super heroes isn’t GT right? Thats not the actual GT goku, that’s a time patrol version of him who had ssj4, only it was toriyamas adaptation because he didn’t make GT, obviously since a lot of characters weren’t regressed in development and intelligence. Along with being consistent in not forgetting a lot of things
Fair logic. And i also believe BoG took place in the GT timeline. But you cant use xenoverse as a reliable power-scaling tool. For example, Kefla was taken aback by Z Broly’s power whilst Z Broly wasn’t scared of fighting her at all. Its also worth noting that dbs xenoverse goku is outerversal easily and heavily outscales his anime counterparts.
I also think that when it comes to dbs characters being stronger than GT characters, id refer to the angels, grand priest and the inhabitants of Zeno’s kingdom rather than parts of the main dbs cast itself.
Its also worth considering that Anime and manga beerus are leagues apart in terms of power. Anime Beerus has been surpassed by blue gogeta whereas manga beerus still towers above black frieza due to further retcons of his power level. And in my opinion, 4 gogeta would definitely beat dbs anime beerus.
I thought GT was sooo funny tbh. Vegeta and Trunks are way more chill… we get an evil Gohan and Vegeta… I think it went well plot wise as well.
Unless you've got a link to the source, I recommend just cutting out that last fake interview cause fake scans aren't good for your channel's reputation
i still hope it's actually real, tho
Yo ToasterxXD is it ok u can make a video about rimuru tempest vs goku
For the longest time, I had the belief that BOG Goku beats SSJ4 Gogeta. Now, I’m not so sure, anymore.
DOES BRO HAVE THE SAUCE
I will always prefer gt over super
Likewise.
Isn't gt only a continuation of the anime? Would the statement, about goku being the strongest, even apply, considering the Image Shows manga goku? I don't think there is any Kind of evidence to say that gt goku is stronger than arale.
wait,11:59 where can i find that imformation? is that even real?
everyone gangster untill base form cabba pulls up
Idk dude, personally i could beat cabba irl in a fight, but goku is able to jump through my screen and knock me out easily.
yall need to understand just because there was a 10 yr timeskip doesnt mean he progressed in strength the same way canon goku did nor does that mean he progressed further, keep in mind ssjg bog goku solos ssj4 gogeta
hell no LOL
@@killinghawkz Homeboy yo ahh don't watch dragon ball LMAO You need to pay attention dawg , just cause Gogeta is a fusion don't mean nun, SSJG is superior to Metamoran fusion
@@asdaasda-wd5qw '''yall need to understand just because there was a 10 yr timeskip doesnt mean he progressed in strength'''' my guy yo goofy ahh didnt watch dbgt.. goku base waay stronger than any version of buu dumbahh
@@asdaasda-wd5qw u didnt even watch this vid u just being a dbs fanboy
@@asdaasda-wd5qw omega shenron wayy stronger than beerus...omega shenron just with his life force could destroy the universe
Still think super goku is stronger because the feats beats statements like I saw all of gt and never saw goku fight that gag character 🤷🏽♂️ and the episodes she does show up in are filler and not canon to the manga like gt you want the answer well it was shown in dragon ball heroes super goku beat ssj4 limit breaker goku in a fight and if I am correct that’s a more powerful version of this gt goku
Its a joke right?
Defeat beerus and whis????
You have to be a huge goku fanboy
How the fuck are you talking about whis being scared of ss4 when whis hasnt even SEEN ss4. Gt came out almost three decades ago...Im calling straight up bullshit one this one dude.
I think it's funny the only thing that can be compared to Goku is another Goku
Finally someone understands gt power scaleing
he isnt da only 1 there are a couple videos proving dat GT is far stronger than dese casuals choose to give it credit for and dat ss4 is waaaaay stronger than people realize
@@dinomoney2142 naw super smokes gt he ain't even do shit to supers scaling and took all scaling from arale and only gave it to gt goku plus that lastscale is really just bs
@@dinomoney2142 oh I know just glad there are more people like this
u dont even know what your talkin about@@THEMilesMorales
@@THEMilesMoralesCrazy how nobody was talking bout super Goku and u still felt the need to d ride u and u a grown man
Link to the Toei statment?
So, GT Goku is basically hyperversal?
Nope, if he was hyperversal he would one shot every villain in GT who are not hyperversal based on feats and this would be consistent in GT's story. If GT Goku is hyperversal this would be supported in the story, the same goes for DBS Goku.
@@j.i.k2.044 In GT he became the strongest existence especially after merging with shenron, gaining omnipresence due to him being able to able and go anywhere and able to grant wishes, he also trained for a hundred years.
@@j.i.k2.044 You seem to be unable to understand that if a strong character is facing threats than obviously those threats should be on the same scale.
@@KingRycon Merging with Shenron might make him the strongest by GT standards but definitely not the strongest being in existence, Goku did not gain Omnipotence that's purely headcanon 😂😂
@@KingRycon GT Goku as a SSJ4 could not defeat Omega Shenron who himself is barely universal, the GT perfect files also state that Syn Shenron is galaxy level at most
Goku being turned into a kid didn’t make him weaker
Yeah them outerversal goku scales don't seem to crazy now does it lol
Like we don't be saying that since years 🙃
No, they still are. It’s just however high you can get Dr. Slump. It doesn’t really change anything about the cosmology at all which is my contentions that I’ve had and still have
@@ToasterXDbut didn’t drip already debunk you on that whole thing anyway?
@@MattChuBoi755 Drip's the same guy who tried to say DC is only 6D. He's far from credible.
@@PerSon-xg3zr DC caps bruh. That’s no one’s fault
So he beats kumogawa?
Where did you go
He’s back soon Dw
GT was made way before super and all the concepts of "God ki" didn't exist for characters that weren't innately adept or could absorb it. I would say, other than for the sake of the plot there is no reason to suggest GT Goku is stronger than UI Goku or Beerus and GT will get retconned.
but scaling from Arale would mean GT is stronger no matter how we see it.
@@Zakurai-m1z I think it's best, to treat Arale as a concept outside the Dragon Ball universe. The character doesn't impact the main plot at all. It is one of these things, that are cameos and not actual things to consider. Think of Tom Bombadill from Tolkiens LOTR for contrast.
@@amadeuszjankowski9212 but the claim that arale in DB is cameo and not original one needs proof as well. coz there is too many instances and that will mean she exist in same world too. more like a marvel cameo. it could be a different character but exist in same world.
this is just theory btw. i dont think GT is stronger coz of that instead i put him above coz of feats. but still a good theory
@Zakurai-m1z I'm not sure what you mean. She is a character from a different manga, I think that's proof enough. She also doesn't impact the main storyline in any way and is essentially filler. She has nothing to do with Dragon Ball.
@@amadeuszjankowski9212 she is from different manga. sure but she exist in same dragon ball verse. Just like how iron man is shown in spiderman homecoming. it still is a part of overall verse.
we literally see her beating ssj blue goku and vegeta in DBS. she has been shown in the show multiple times. overall she will be the part of DB that end of Z still scale higher.
but its not even necessary to scale GT. coz baby vegeta feat of warping kaikai realm alone make him stronger than anyone in early DBS.
also filler is just more of a fan theory lol. GT follows Z anime as whole so it has all the fillers and scalings from anime including fillers. if you say arale is filler only then that just buff GT goku far more than DBS that way. coz that would give GT goku all filler buffs but DBS gets none.
EoGT Goku basically achieved what is known as the Nirvana state in Buddhism and a lot of eastern religion mythology. He basically ascends to a higher dimension or a higher level of consciousness. It is a similar concept to the 8th sense used in Masami Kurumada's canon Saint Seiya
Can you do a video of goten and trunks vs Naruto and sasuke?
Last time I saw this much glazing I was in a Cinnabon
Salty super fan detected
@@sammysam2142 kid what
@@sammysam2142 gt goku is like 3x stronger than super goku. This video is insane levels of glazing.
@@shifter505 I don't know what math you did but no form of Goku in DBS has yet to destroy a dimension.
@@sammysam2142SSG goku has feats comparable to omega shenron🤦🏿♂️ and EOS villain from GT. That power is then absorbed in base by goku meaning SSG goku= Base Goku.
So basically Enlightened GT goku is comparable to BASE goku. And that’s just from BOG.
Don’t even need to say all that.
Gogeta blue dogs anyone in GT, goku in PUI is comparable to Gogeta blue. Nuff said
Idk if he is beating beerus and whis
Wally West vs Archie Sonic
Wally fucking stomps lmfao
@@ashuraomega1000 Yeah
Also peak vid
One shots???😂
Good video👍
Will you ever cover SpongeBob vs Goku
GT goku is boundless
So if gt is now cannon doesn't that mean goku has officially surpassed beerus?
I genuinely believe that gogeta ssj4 blows gogeta vegeto ssjgss
But that’s just me
Day 1:hey toaster,can u do a Goku vs Kiana(honkai impact 3rd) to c who wins?
end of gt goku is broken
Dang, this is really op. But honestly I still find one problem with this logic.
Base Cabba.
What Beerus and Goku did in Super is weak, it's multi planetary at best as if it WAS universal in terms of power output, Why is earth unaffected?
Why was it stated to grow in power as the energy goes on? even then, AT IT'S PEAK in power, it hit the Kaio planet where Shin is, guess what? nothing. It only destroyed planets so that's a fact people disregard
My guy it was legit disintegrating entire planets into nothing even though the punches weren't supposed to destroy anything by the 5th or the 6th punch, the planets you see getting destroyed are gas giants that are so far away we can't even comprehend
@@mayankbhadana9thc230 My guy it still didn't destroy a star, nor did it affect earth
@@doomknight2542you're pretty stupid
@@doomknight2542so you just gonna ignore both the characters and writers stating that they were about to destroy the universe? Your logic doesn't really work in the context of storytelling, logically earth probably should have been destroyed, but that doesn't make sense story wise. You gotta remember that the story comes before everything, almost nothing that happens is with power scaling in mind.
@@Monkeylighthouse I ignore what doesn't happen and what isn't factual.
The blows created by the two didn't even destroy Earth, or stars
Not when the Kai's planet either
If it was going to destroy the universe, it'd be everything inside. Not the actual universe
Besides, destroying something overtime does not put you in that area. It's completely stupid
If it let's say, took 1 year straight, just to destroy the universe. are they universal? No, you gotta do it in one shot. One battle, no problem
Link for the toei animation statement?
Its crazy how high GT Goku is being scaled these days, but even with this I don't see him beating Super Goku. Super Gokus feats are more reliable and consistent whereas with GT Goku a lot of it relies on personal interpretation (head canon) so for that reason alone GT Goku loses 💯
Facts
The problem with that is DBS Goku’s best feat is on the same level of Enraged Boohan/Super Vegetto’s feat which Base Goku early on in GT far outscales
@@cantstopbrock that’s cool & all, But just answer me this does ssj4 beat Mui in your opinion?
@@cantstopbrock So does base Goku between the end of battle of gods and RoF alone lol, so I don't see your point. Goku has many more feats that are consistent like shaking the infinite void, briefly surpassing beings who wished to be the universe's strongest mortal, breaking out of Hits pocket dimension with just his raw power, surpassing Belmod. In the Broly movie Super Saiyan Gogeta and Broly was enough to shatter time and space with a beam clash which is all facts with no head canon needed
@@j.i.k2.044 There are some headcanons there, the boohan feat and even the bills one could be debatably hax, "infinite void" is not actually infinite in size, that was just mistranslation, breaking Hits pocket dimensions could also not mean much considering that dragon ball super have a logic that a character with more ki, can break out of anyone's technique and hax if that person is less powerful. even the Gogeta vs Broly is debatable, everything is debatable when it comes to GT feats and Super feats. this can always go both ways. none of the 2 are super reliable.
Super Dragon Ball Heros had Xeno Goku and Super Goku fight each other, not entirely sure if Xeno Goku is GT Goku, but Goku had to go UI in order to beat him, so yes, Super Goku can beat GT Goku (If that's who he was fighting during that time period)
Actually that was capsule corps goku a diffrent version of goku we know this cause the outfits