the planet surface statement for boros is a mistranslation that only exists in the english version. the actual statement is that he will destroy the planet.
Actually Ichigo's bankai didn't break to return to base zangetsu, it's only the sheath that broke(that white scabbard) + kubo confirmed that he still has all his powers + the true bankai, he just can switch between the old shikai zangetsu the dual blades shikai, so in the hell chapter he was just using the old one that he is used to.
I'm pretty sure that "base" Zangetsu was the true form all along. Kubo gave a bunch clues, he didn't have an Asauchi, he forced his soul reaper powers out and his first bankai acts like a resurrection based on the explanation of resurrection and bankai Kubo gave. Also Ginjo in the novel said his Bankai was more a resurrection, but he said bankai b/c he thought that's what it was. I'm like 99% sure it was always supposed to be his true sword
Facts, Renji and Rukia are easily 4D since they were boosted by Squad 0. Squad 0 easily showed they were above time because of Ichibei's ability to use time in a Kido and ressurect himself anywhere on the timeline (and CFYOW confirmed all Squad 0 members can use this). Yhwach bodied Ichibei and Aizen and Ichigo could affect and even kill him, putting Ichigo easily on the 5D scale
@@scottiecurrie7927 i mean even dangai ichigo couldn’t be comprehended by aizen. Aizen killed the cleaner who governs space and time. Ichigo had 5D reiatsu before tybw and 4D ap so it’s just consistent w this
@@roywempor8395 ey relax. The realms in bleach arent even up to 10 much less infinite. Complex multiverse is being able to destroy an infinite amount of 4D universes i think
Oh, and not to mention the effects lightspeed travel alone has on the environment surrounding the traveller and on the traveller itself, let alone being FASTER than light. And it wouldn't make sense narratively because, like you mentioned, the fights would end in an instant and the stakes would be nonexistent. Lol.
Bleach does rely alot on statements far more than the other two in the big three but in the current anime they are showing far more feats like the zero squad bankai shaking the three worlds
Tbf, we still have no idea what ichigo's true bankai actually does. All we know is the most broken power to have ever been created in any anime, deemed it too dangerous and had to prevent it from being used.
Most broken ability in anime? Buddy do you even know what kind of insane bs abilities some of the broken characters have? Like literally I know a character that has the power of 'reader closing the book' or the power to ignore the writer himself or even worse encapsulation of all the frictional work to ever exist into oneself
EoS Ichigo vs Eos Aizen would be a very interesting one, but I think what makes this fight a lil difficult is that we have no knowledge of what either of their bankai can do, also great video, I've always seen people heavily downplay Ichigo when it came to this topic, I'll always see Ichigo winning in this matchup
@@nicholas-dv1mg find me evidence that he doesn't, cuz Aizen's whole motivation when evolving with the hogyoku was that he wanted to transcend and surpass the limits of the shinigami & hollow, meaning he reached the limit of power when it came to being a shinigami, which should mean he must've achieved bankai, a man like Aizen would try to achieve that power & it's within his character to do so
@@prynce. he's now merged with it, therefore transcending soul reapers and hollows, spreading it's effects to his entire body. you don't see him using it after using the hogyoku, at most a projection of it from his body.
@@DHworldwide185he was literally exponentially growing, but people keep taking that growth out of context. He was massively rage amped by watching Genos fucking DIE (or nearly die, his core was ripped out) and it was a one-time thing.
@@DHworldwide185 Wrong, it was stated that Genos dying caused Saitama's emotions to boil over, and it caused his growth rate to massively increase. Saitama was using full power the entire time he fought Cosmic Garou, he was just growing stronger by the second.
Also the manga states and shows 1 member of Squad 0 activating bankai and shaking all 3 universal sized realms. Ichigo scales higher than everyone in Squad 0 (maybe besides Ichibei)
Ichigo does beat ichibei in HOS form since the form landed several hits oh Almighty Yhwach while that form one shorted everybody in bleach including Ichibei, ichigo is still the second strongest in bleach
@@mayokunolaoye8007 *third, prime soul king was stronger than Yhwach, remember Yuha could only absorb a third of a disabled soul king, prime soul king was stated to be the strongest being of his time and only lost because he saw the future and let himself be captured.
@@roywempor8395 True, If hell arc is a thing and maybe comes after cour 4 or after 2026-2027 it would be a dream come true if they talked about he soul king a bit more cause we don't really know much about his powers we only know he has a stronger version of the almighty aswell as all the Quincy powers
@@roywempor8395what in the headcanon 😂😂😂😂 prime soul king was the strongest in HIS time, CFYOW novels state yhwach was above prime soul king, stop overrating this fraud 1. Ichigo 2. Yhwach 3. Kenpachi (Yes, in base he destroyed ancient soul king fragments IN BASE not even shikai) 4. Soul king 5. Aizen This is in terms of raw power not hax
I get the feeling that after the god arc finishes and saitama defeats god, his powerscaling is gonna go through the roof and the big three won't be too much trouble for him. That's just a gut feeling tho looking at how exponential the power system rises in one punch man, going from boros just barely either destroying the planet or the surface of it, to possible destroying multiple galaxies with garou or many many stars.
@@ecomog4735 ichigo never becomes outerversal, idk what you mean. Even in his final forms in the manga, he never scales to that when you actually look at the context of the realms in bleach and what outerversal truly is
I think the biggest issue in comparing these two is that opm isn't complete. By the end of the series it's pretty realistic he'll grow beyond 3d due to the fight with god
@@jirenthegray5776 Did he say a comparison wasnt possible, or that it was just an issue... You can't get a true winner because BOTH characters aren't at their heights. Now if you wanna get wins off of unfinished characters thats diff😭
As a fan of both manga I love both of them but happiness is also a emotion and Saitama would be happy finding someone as strong as ichigo so he would grow idk if that makes a difference but I'm fine with any one winning
yh niggas be acting stupid saying it's a one time thing,forgetting what happened in his dream, u thing finding a tough opponent wouldn't cause him to get excited and grow? then u really dont understand his character
4:50 Aizen oneshotting Kototsu (a being of reason which governs time and space) seems like a pretty good fest to me tbh. And also Kenpachi oneshotting a bring that fused with garganta in SAFWY too. Great video tho keep cooking
Unlike ichigo saitama actually showed 4D feat by traveling in time.Being 4D doesnt mean being spirit.ichigo has different realm of power being soul but that doesn't mean ichigo can kill saitama.It also doesnt mean saitama can kill ichigo as his destructive powers are only physical.But he broke through spiritucal realm of phoenix.So his power may not just be physical And why do you think he would not grow any more in power while fighting ichigo?you did not explain that
Traveling in time doesn't make you 4D bruh😮💨... But if you want to stand on that then, Aizen destroy the Kokotsu (a natural law of nature which controls space-time itself) ichigo is tiers above this lvl of Aizen Traveling through time or destroying a being that controls time, which one is the better feat😮💨...
@@FJUVHJDSR And what you are stating is hax ability against 4D being.Means aizen have attack potency of 4D or 5D if he can beat a 4D being while being 3D.You can be 3D and have 4D or 5D attack potency
@@shudeepta Being 4D means having control over time but you can't go to a timeline where you can meet your past version. If you can nullify this even then you can stop a 4D being while being 3D
From what I see from Saitama, he isn't infinitely strong but can get infinitely stronger during a fight. He seems to always be stronger than whoever he is facing but seems to then get stronger. If it is possible for a character to be stronger that Saitama, then that character would need to destroy saitama immediately because otherwise Saitama will get stronger almost instantly. Problem is that we don't know whether his durability is always infinite or if it also gets stronger. I suspect it gets stronger as well which would mean all Characters with better feats than Saitama can beat Saitama as long as they destroy him immediately. Just my head canon. Things change as the series goes, God might end up being multidimensional making Saitama even more insane.
Exactly, people seem to ignore more feats of Saitama which is insane! Considering the new chapters and many more upcoming things relevant towards god can literally change more perspectives, which can definitely ruin these videos. In reality, we haven’t seen as much from Saitama. Until then we’ll see in the future. This comment is a W!
But here comes the problem, that the plot of opm is built in such a way that all the antagonist are weak af compared to saitama and he suffers from that and maybe God will be the one to match or exceed his power so we can't say that he become stronger automatically than everyone he fight... It's just the plot of opm
And also even if we assume that saitama will become on par with ichigo then also we know that spiritual pressure exist and saitama hasn't shown any resistance against spiritual attacks, for example when aizen comes near a human during hogyoku arc the person just get vaporized and the same aizen gets dog walked by a much weaker version of ichigo also ironically aizen also grew exponentially due to hogyoku , so how can we say saitama won't get vaporized after coming near to ichigo to hit him
Why do people forget how Ichigo is a literal soul reaper ? Let just make that Saitama can see and touch Ichigo , every single attack of Ichigo is an attack to the soul , which Saitama has no resistance of , Saitama growth only apply to his physical power , never has it make his soul stronger . Let not forget that Ichigo Reiatsu alone is enough to crush Saitama soul (Reiatsu in Bleach have the properties of Fear Manip , Existence Erasure , Paralyse , Power Nullification , etc.... ) Like there is literally no way for Saitama (as of right now ) win agaisnt Ichigo lol . The Saitama fan (and Goku fan) can't accept that just 'Punching Hard" doesn't make you the strongest being in fiction lol
@@GothamThotSlayer Well then that will become a bias , as of currently , in debate we do not take "potential " as a character true power . Maybe in the future Ichigo could go around and destroy the Multiverse ? Who know . So yeah , pls yall gotta stop thinking like Saitama gonna adapt to every thing in existence as if he is a god . If not for the shear bias One (the author) gave him , he wouldn't be close to this level , and in death battle we do not take author bias
@@GothamThotSlayerRobert "Invincible CAN DEFEAT AND BLITZ Superman" Kirkman seems to believe so. You can thank Stan Lee for the whole irrational concept of "depends on what the writer wants". Writer bias is the worst, and it is just as bad as the fan bias WITHOUT evidence to back it up.
Remember that saitama kicked away hyperspace portals and punched into the phoenix space. In my opinion that makes him at least partially 4 dimensional. Or four dimentional when he feels like it
@@INFINIX-2503 IDK if it's true but, based on my experience, I believe A 3d character who is decently strong and is galaxy level at max(characters such as luffy, Naruto, etc.) A 4d character is someone who can travel through time and distort space and stuff. A 5D character is someone who can destroy universes. That's the limit of my knowledge tho
As someone said later in the comment finally finding someone more powerful then him would cause him immense happiness.thus being a state of immense happiness = more growth more powah more sped more hit me harder
@@r3voi254 that goes for normal humans, not a human like god like Saitama who was literally got hit by a gamma ray burst at point blank range and was fine. Note, GRB can hit with a temperature of over 1.9billion degrees Kelvin or same as Celsius.
Saitama's feat used here are still of him holding back like bro was using only one hand, trying not to kill garou,and LITERALLY low diff-no diff garou.He wasnt once seen to be struggling and tanking everything garou threw at him.Even after garou fought saitama as Saitama he couldn't do shit.Saitama is highly durable its pretty obvious 💀
The only way for Ichigo to win against Saitama is by one shotting him from the start to prevent him from powering up. It can be done by ambushing him using a sale coupon.
@@mahdi7211 but he does not have reiatsu so he is a ordinary human but very very strong basically, ichigo can just obliterate him by using his reiatsu since he is relative to the likes of aizen who kills humans just by interacting with them
@@r3voi254 ok but ur still referring to normal humans... that's like saying the death note will kill saitama or Ichigo or whatever if u write their name, even tho we've only ever seen it used on regular humans, regular humans cant survive space, regular humans cant punch holes into spatial dimensions, regular humans cant interact with intangible things, regular humans cant bathe in lava, saitama is clearly above the phrase "human" at this point
I do think that eventually when Saitama fights God who exists in an outer dimensional world will scale up saitama to basically anyone. We just need to give OPM some time I think
Could you now scale OP? This verse is so underestimated and heavily downplayed its sad really. People have double standards against OP in scaling whilst using the same type of scaling for their characters and seeing no fault in logic.
If you read the OPM, after they “destroy” the region of stars with the combined serious punch and blast + crews energy redirection, we later see back on earth that the stars haven’t actually been destroyed relative to its position if you look at the continents relative where the stars were destroyed. So they didn’t actually destroy the stars but block out the light, this also makes sense as blast implies it will destroy the earth which makes no sense to say if it’s multi star level. The anime should clear this up because then we can see if this is factually the case. Edit: You can’t claim ichigo in hollow mask is relative to the vasto lorde form because its mask markings changed, that’s not proof at all. half bankai ichigo was able to block and negate 0 espada yammys attacks and mask v2 cut yammys neck. Full bankai mask v1 is above that half bankai ichigo yet he couldn’t even harm R1 Ulq. Which proves R1 ulq is above ichigo who’s above the ichigo that contended with yammy before he uses his mask v2 unless you say his half bankai state is amped massively above full bankai mask v1. But you physically cannot prove such a claim at all and it’s riddled with that contradiction that I just pointed out. So again, R1 ulq via being above a stronger ichigo who later in a weaker state could block yammys punch and negate his bala in 0 form would mean R1 ulq could do that with ease and neg 0 form yammy. Yammys 0 form being a strictly strength and power amp which ichigo contended directly with in half bankai. If what you’re saying is correct then an ichigo who contended with yammys strength and attacks at half bankai who’s weaker than full bankai and much weaker than full bankai mask v1 which R1 ulq negged would mean his mask amp should be in the hundreds to thousands and yet it only allow for a shallow cut on yammy using getsuga. So are you saying yammy while punching and shooting balas at half bankai ichigo was holding back hundreds to thousands of times worth his power… makes literal no sense and you can’t back this up. Correct scaling, ichigo mask v2 gets a little amp from v1 mask. And you could argue he gets a little amp to his bankai state but not enough to close any significant gap like between Ulq r1 and ichigo full bankai mask v1. R1 Ulq >> Full bankai mask v1 ichi R1 Yammy >= half bankai ichi R1 Yammy =< half bankai mask v1 ichi who only lost due to mental trauma. Full bankai (ulq fight)> half bankai (after ulq) (ichigo would need a 2x amp after the ulq fight in bankai state to be atleast equal to his previous half bankai power but there’s literally no to little proof of even small amps so my claim is correct) Mask v2 > mask v1 due to ichigo and rukias statement of the increase in weight and darkness which implies dark power (hollow), but that amp in power is unknown and ichigo states it feels a little heavier. We could attribute this to a little amp but we simply do not know at all. Small amp to be safe since his power is not vastly different for any comparison we have of before and after. So yes full bankai mask v2 > full bankai mask v1 (but only by a little, minimum x2 and max maybe x3 in TOTAL for both new mask and amped bankai because we have so little evidence for any substantial amp) Which means R1 Ulq > full bankai mask v2 ichi > full bankai mask v1 ichi which proves… R1 Ulq >> Full bankai mask v1 as I stated before. Which also means R1 Ulq > Yammy R1 or 0 release. Yammy R1 + rage is obviously > yammy R1. And you could argue stronger or relative to R1 Ulq. R2 Ulq >> R1 + rage yammy obviously. Scaling dictates this is the answer objectively, yammy literally has no feats on par with R2 Ulq or scaling, yammy also has no speed or movement lmao. Makes no sense to state that and you’ve got no actual proof mask v2 is at vasto lorde level because of the change in markings 🤣. Also kaname stating he’s attained a greater power than bankai while referring to his hollowfication doesn’t prove a 10x amp directly. After all we know bankai sajin and masked base kaname are relative if not Sajin is slightly above as he pushes kaname to ressurect. You could argue the mask + ressurection is above bankai as a summation or whole which makes more sense, either way it doesn’t apply. Unless we assume base sajin is vastly above base kaname thus his mask amp would support this but there’s no proof to that what so ever and they’re both at captain level in base. So very unlikely. Your scaling is riddled with inconsistencies, lack of proof and misrepresentation. But I still agree with the outcome of the video.
@@aidanh7527 well yes it would if it destroyed the stars, the argument you just made should prove to yourself the stars weren’t destroyed and I’ll explain how. the attack collision made of energy (in some non scientific way) absorbed all the light in its vector path which means instantly we cannot see anything that happens in its path, and then the light returns when they get back to earth. If the light has returned in less than the time it took them to fight which is minimum > 24 hours then it cannot have destroyed the stars. Because like you said, the light would have taken a minimum of the closest stars > 4-5 light years to see any one star at the closest distance. Which means in actuality as I stated, it merely blocked out the light over the distance it traveled where t is the time it took for the light to get back and ft is the time it took for garou and saitamas fight to end after the collision attack. In other words the stars cannot have been destroyed if t < ft.
Ah right, the bright attack made of pure energy magically turned black and blocked out the light. No, the guy just didn't put in consideration the fact that the stars would stay gone, or didn't realise they would be in that position.
@@ひきこもりi what’s your argument for exactly? You’ve not made sense in your comment, you saying the stars were destroyed or not, the authors scientific knowledge is irrelevant to whether they were destroyed because we know they weren’t due the stars light reappearing proving they weren’t destroyed. We infer fact from what is given and correlates, not what isn’t. Stars light is gone, stars light is back, stars = not destroyed. Simple statement, I never inferred an appeal to reality fallacy if that’s what you’re implying, I only countered this other guys question of an appeal to reality with his own logic and actual science as he implied would happen yet not be the case if so due to how physics works.
@@MrDeclareWar Dude... forget all of that.. you know EXACTLY what I mean. The mangaka did NOT keep in consideration where the stars would be in correlation to the earth, and discrediting the feat because of that is an INSANE asspull. I mean sure, go with it if you want, but literally nobody is going to care. I don't see how a bright beam of energy is going to culminate in a giant black blockade but sure, if that's what you think, go crazy. Like, it doesn't "prove" anything. If manga was supposed to make sense 100% of the time, the stars light wouldn't "disappear" in the first place.
@@NexusMerbok this youtuber didnt talk about how ichigo could evaporate saitama from existance due to the fact that he is a normal soul and can get one shotted by ichigos reiatsu pressure just by getting to close to him, similar to what aizen did
I mean Saitama only has strength, plus a few physic breaking things, I mean I don't know what Soul Reaper guy can do specifically, but it is something to keep in mind as Saitama can't really do anything else
@@G4M3R1R0N To be fair I only read the Manga, the normal one, not the Terra stuff and all that, also I haven't seen him do a lot from what I can remember, except being strong and growing stronger, also when you say hax, what do you mean? I remember only Tatsumaki and Garou
@@gemini.saga3he get that number from his ass like he goes double triple thousand times the speed of light like wtf the fire from the fight is still going on going on that speed you can eventually something like stop the time and the feats be like you cannot face the outer space but you can destroy the hell which is according to him above 3d feat he for ichigo who is above 3d time and space really doesnt matter but for his pow it does matter i mean i just crazy ass pullling power level you go up you go down 🙃🙃 bro didnt even consider the feat of saitama like every protagnist grows with the power of love , emotion , from suffuring of someones death but he neglect the saitama feats of growning like blab blahh yoo wtf you r baised AF
Saitama sneezed and Ichigo disappeared. Saitama was able to grap hiper space gate. And he enter spiritual realm with pure strength. Saitama is massively faster than light. This guy is a bit bias. Saitama was able to copy god power without touching his hand.
@@wilsonalmonor2819 saitama used a technique to go back in time, that's not a feat that scales him higher than Ichigo... Same for grabbing a hyperspace gate, Menos Grandes(low teir hollows) literally grabs and pulls Inter dimensional portals and the very fabric of space itself, Both feats are nothing to put above ichigo bruh... Or are you gonna say Menos scales above ichigo!?😂😂
U completely ignored the fact that saitama can reverse causality by going back in time like tf💀.Dont go saying saitama doesn't have that going back in time power anymore like bro if u are comparing ichigo's best form then go with Saitama's best version as well.Saitama copied garou and performed that trick on his own as it was stated by garou himself.
Alright, he goes back in time. Then what, Saitama's gonna somehow find and kill baby Ichigo? Learns he was related to saitama, has his potential, and beats saitama anyway
Well he would grow if fighting someone stronger and get exited, it might not be as much growth but any emotions would most likely make him grow in strength. The reason he doesnt grow oustide of the garou fight is due to no one being as strong as garou and the fact that genos died.
@ToasterXD Saitama's infinite strength is High Multiversal+ because he has 4D/5D feats. Him entering the transcendental world of the spirits introduced by Phoenix Man, him tanking Garou's extreme fajin which broke a 4D dimensional seal, him kicking the hyperspace gate (Blast tried to send Garou to another dimension with his portals and Garou copied and used that same interdimensional portals on Saitama) and him travelling from present to past, from one timeline to another parallel one (confirmed in Genos' long exposition paragraph), ignoring and punching through the temporal dimension and the distance between two parallel universes and making sure Genos' core doesn't get merged with the new one makes him at least 4D
Bro saitama is jus Galaxien plus with all oda his current feats during Thea Garou fight he went from Solar systen to Galaxien plus nothing.more.morning less and.once again saitama does not have infinite strength but infinite Potenzial there is a differens between these two against the current Ichigo he has no chance at the beginig but would get stronger over time
Argument used OPM gag wouldn’t apply outside of his verse… so why would any of Ichogo’s abilities apply outside of his verse? If you use that argument both characters abilities null and void outside of their verse and thus this battle is just a bald guy vs a dead guy…
1: gag doesn't not = insta win 2: because unless he literally has plot manipulation, it's not an actual ability he has And if breaking 4th wall = gag then ulquiorra, ichigo and a few more characters are gag characters as they complained multiple times about how much filler bleach has
The one thing I never understood about each realm being it’s own universe is it really shouldn’t be possible logically speaking. Before the three worlds. There was just one chaotic melting pot ( one universe) that the soul king and the noble families divided to make the three worlds to create balance. If he divided one universe how did it become three universe from one? Them having there own galaxies, stars and planets would be understandable as they are divided of a single universe which contains these things. So how did it get to three universes? Note: This isn’t some debunk attempt. I’m just genuinely curious. Whenever I ask a bleachtard just goes on a huge tangent without actually answering
If we assume the universe is infinite then splitting it in 3 makes 3 infinite separate universes. If we assume ot is finite then splitting it would make 3 smaller universes all the same size since its 1 split into 3 making each realm the same size as the world of the living.
@@Photops I assume each the them just being fragments of the one universe. Mainly because they can’t sustain themselves by themselves.( kisuke said if the soul king dies everything would split into pieces and just fall apart. Not crash into each other as they attempted to become whole again) If they were truly there own universes the soul king wouldn’t actually be necessary for them to actually exist. It would be different if he said without the soul king the worlds would crash into each other. As it would mean he’s just the boundary. Him specifically saying it would collapse implies he is actually maintaining them structurally..As a universe needs to be self sustaining to qualify as such, it never made sense that everyone considered them to be without any solid evidence. This also puts whether or not they are infinite into question as they exist on such a crucial line of balance and the souls need to be balanced for it not to fall apart. If the universe was infinite and expanding wouldnt it be a threat to the balance as eventually the souls of the living would begin to out weight the dead as while some in the afterlife live average lifespans, others live for hundreds of years. More than enough for living souls to flood in and surpass the exces amount Note: it’s been awhile since I read the manga so I could be off. Im okay with being corrected. Anyway, thanks for the response this has been the best I’ve gotten.
Eos ichigo is stronger than beings that can affect the 3 main worlds. Infinite in size and separate time spaces, that alone scales him higher than current Saitama
But it was stated at the end of the series he will kill god and so he will basically be multiversal at least or stronger than terra 2 saitama which ive heard before in a video
Im letting you slide since you said "current saitama" but i just want to say people who compare characters who arent even near the end game of their story are so annoying Didn't even get to finish the one punch man series yet and it didnt even get a movie either
There's plenty of reason to think that Saitama is capable of affecting 4D structures, as he completely casually tossed around holes in space time like he's Bugs Bunny and directly punched through a time stream, reversing time and causality. Not that it even matters, since the idea that gaps between dimensionality are infinite/inaccessible is not consistent across fiction. Characters that start out way below planetary can and often do grow over time and with multipliers to reach the levels where they're supposedly able to affect universes. Though even these abilities to affect universes don't always directly correspond to actual strength, especially when those effects are thanks to control over the literal particles that make up the universe. No one would seriously think that Ichigo can lift an infinite amount of weight or punch through an infinitely large and dense object. But none of it really matters, it shouldn't be too awfully long before Blast or even God directly explain to our faces that higher dimensions are involved, and then we can all stop pretending that Saitama is completely incapable of affecting anything above 3D.
@NOTarthurboyle laws devil fruit is the perfect counter for the limitless it literally cuts and manipulates space. JJK manga readers should know why that so crucial. His domain expansion is a different story law can’t counter that
Problem is Gojo only died because the space between him and Infinity was expanded, Room doesn't do that, the Opi Opi no Mi works like Sukuna's Domain Expansion which auto-spawns Cleave and Dismantle on opponents but only the space-expanding Dismantle could hurt Gojo. Unless Law can straight up delete space, which is what Sukuna had to do in order to kill Gojo, the Opi Opi no Mi won't work, at least not as efficiently. Tbh, I think in terms of application in battle Malevolent Shrine is better than Room in a 1 on 1 because it is incredibly potent and sure hits if that didn't kill Gojo I don't think Law could, ofc Law outstats Gojo so...On one hand, Law can't delete space, on the other hand, Gojo is too slow for Law.
Saitama scales exponentially above Garou who when he didn’t copy saitama destroyed an hyperspace and an hyperspace has an higher dimension(5D) and the use is for ftl travel and saitama grew exponentially above this person💀
i dont rlly think that yhwachs plan scaling off a domino effect wouldnt rlly be something coherent, like ik its technically the main goal of yhwach plan but its like if someone destroys the pillar of a house by punching them, he didnt destroyed all the house by punching it but only the pillars, meaning the feat would only be destroying the pilars. atleast thats how i see it
Okay... let's consider your analogy. Yhwach in this case would break the pillar causing the entire building to fall, and then build a new house with no pillars (no weakness, ie no concept of death). Creation scales higher in AP than destruction in most cases, so it really doesn't matter. However, your understanding is wrong as shown in the anime when Ichigo undergoes the Irazusando, it is stated and shown that the soul king literally carries the "weight" of the universe(s) on his shoulders, as shown when Ichigo nearly implodes when said weight is placed on him (be it simulated or real), this proves that indeed, the soul king actually maintains the realms existence. That's the context, which is why without him, the realms get destroyed. Now, when Ichigo kills the Soul King in one slash (obviously he'd need AP comparable to him to damage him), the world's are nearly destroyed and then Mimihagi pretty much statues the progress (whether you think it scales or it's just hax is up to you), but then Yhwach absorbs both the Reio and Mimihagi... And in doing so, stabilized the worlds once more, meaning Yhwach just existing was shouldering the weight of the realms. Ichigo would then match him in shikai, horn of salvation and completely overpower him in all futures where he used bankai. AP-wise he's easily the strongest in the verse as bankai is a 10x amp, so low multiversal if you think the 3 realms only gets him to universal+, 3×10=30 so he'd be considered low multiversal. He only struggled against Yhwach because he was outhaxed, he killed him twice and just like the Reio, he did so in a single swing of his sword both times when previously Yhwach could tank hits from Fullbring Bankai Ichigo with his body without even needing blut... but yeah, he killed him once while in Shikai, and finally in base after the still arrow took away his Almighty (only that, not his durability or AP). Basically, even if you downplay Yhwach to solar system level, Ichigo scales to that in base without his shikai horn of salvation and bankai multipliers... at least 30x his base which would be multi solar system. And if you scale off Gremmy at a lowballed galaxy level, 30x that and you'd have multi-galactic comfortably.
@@revenantronin8377you're taking that's statement hyperliterally. The weight the soul king carries would can also mean just the scale of the responsibility of being the linchpin not actually holding "universes" together. And also didn't you need to be a quincy to use the sword that killed the soul king implying if someone relative to ichigo who is a soul reaper wouldn't be able to do it and also cutting the soul king shouldn't be an ap feat as he sort of sacrificed himself and allowed other to harm him plus he is basically dead to a certain degree already. Who says he is trying to resist? The feat yhawch performed involves removing reio and the world collapse on to themselves returning to their original form . He wasn't going to exactly "build" anything new but just return it to what it was.
@@marcoslightspeed5517 It was explicitly said multiple times that Yhwach was going to erase the realms out of existence. Askin said it to Urahara and Yhwach said it to Ichigo that he is going to erase him alongside all of Soul Society. Also if you take that SK statement as a hyperbole it does not even matter because Ichigo still needed to resist the power of the Soul King which scales above the Bleach cosmology. As said in CFYOW the SK's power "transcends everything" SK > Bleach Cosmology From that point on it just depends where you scale the Cosmo at and it is pretty obv that each realm is at the very least a universe lol It was even said that Yhwach was gonna destroy the Garganta which is infinitely larger than any other realm
That Gremmy feat is too inconsistent to be used it says a vacuum to outer space in the anime while in the manga it just says outer space that’s why imo you use what fits best
8:41 this shows you don’t understand how Saitama’s power works. I’m not going to claim that Saitama is “Outer” or “Boundless” because he’s not, but he definitely possesses infinite strength through non-stop, finite jumps. What level of infinity can his broken limiter get him to? I can’t say for sure. So fair he’s exhibited 4D powers which means his peak could be Uni+ or if there’s a Multiverse in the future, maybe even Multiversal+. But, when God first appears before Garou to give him his powers, God is inperceivable to all other characters present and even Saitama. If God was only a 4D being, he could still be somewhat perceived since the 4th dimension is only a temporal dimension, not spatial and a mere graze of his hand wouldn’t give you knowledge of the flow of all energy in the Universe and it’s forces as well as time travel since that would only be a fraction of his power. It could be argued that God is at least 5D and that EOS Saitama’s power would be at least Low Complex Multiversal. This is just theory at this point. However, given how Saitama’s power works, it hasn’t had time to grow to such an extent, so giving Ichigo the benefit of the doubt, current Saitama isn’t strong enough but could grow to such powers even in the fight. Anger isn’t his only catalyst to exponential growth, reigniting his passion for battle does this as well. This was heavily alluded to in Saitama dream in episode 1 of OPM and in the Manga where Saitama states that he finally got what he wanted but isn’t happy about it due to Genos’ death. Nevertheless, both caused a Reignition of his fighting spirit, just in the forms of wrath and joy…two sides of the same coin. And that’s what Saitama power is, endless, passive growth over time (with guides stating that as each day goes by, Saitama can one shot himself from yesterday. So he grows stronger even without training), and expentional growth with finite jumps that don’t end. Saying his infinite strength is mere metaphor is a just straight downplay IMO. We’ve been given plenty of evidence to suggest that it’s literal and not metaphorical throughout the manga, in guide books, and by the artist and author. Just because his limitless strength doesn’t work in an orthodoxical way, doesn’t mean it isn’t infinite.
Ain't no fvking way Bleach fans even think Ichigo got a slight chance against Saitama 💀Yall keep using hax to scale their AP/Dura, if a character able to create a dimensional, that's just hax, like Kaguya from Naruto, she can create a whole ass dimensions, but what does her dimension do in a fight exactly? Nothing. And Hax doesn't equals AP or Durability, no matter how many dimensions they could create, if their durability couldn't tank a punch that cracks the building, then they ain't scaling nowhere, not to mention Bleach ain't got a single speed feat that scale ABOVE light speed, not one time it stated any movements in Bleach is FASTER than light, and about the Cero saying to be light, that's just indication of what it looks like, it didn't say it was actually traveling at the speed of light, not just that, there's aiming time before they could even fire the cero, all of the feats you mention is way too high balled lol.
Your ass is the reason saitama fans get clowned. The reason people use that kaguya feat is cause she not only created the dimension, she also destroyed it right after. That was the whole fucking point of making it. She made it, trapped naruto inside it, then proceeded to destroy the whole dimension with naruto inside it in an attempt to kill him. Did you think she created it for show? Just because? Cause it looked cool? Yhwach was stated multiple times that he was going to DESTROY all the realms, not just create. Your reading comprehension and common sense isnt too high is it. Also characters have dodged thing multiple times that were literal light, not just described to be like light, light when yhwach's light ability moved all the way from the soul palace to the soul society almost instantly, which is way faster than light given the insane distance between them, and we see multiple characters dodge it who are WAY weaker than ichigo. Uryu all the way back in soul society moved so fast he outsped his own shadow, and that uryu wiuld get completely speed blitzed by literally every character in blood war. Your lowballing is actually insane
Interesting video, however I don't understand or agree with a few things. Saitama entered the realm of four dimensions when he achieved the ability to time travel. This involves the integration of the three spatial dimensions (length, width, and height) with the temporal dimension, collectively forming the four-dimensional construct recognized as spacetime. Contrastingly, Ichigo's traversal through Dangai did not elevate him to a higher-dimensional state. Additionally, initiating this journey required him to abandon his physical form since corporeal bodies are incapable of entering the Soul Society due to their composition of Kishi. Dangai, considered a "higher dimension," exhibits a temporal dilation effect, akin to the characteristics of wormholes, connecting spiritual and material realms while allowing time to progress at a slower rate within its confines. Therefore, Ichigo remains firmly rooted in the three-dimensional realm and is not categorized as a "higher universal being." When separated from his physical body, he exists purely as (Reishi) Energy. Ichigo cannot influence time, i.e. he cannot be 5, 6, 7 dimensional either.
Cosmic Garou was nowhere near to be a worthy opponent,just a little bit stronger than others it was said that in no paralel universe garou won even if Saitama was holding back
@ChiranjibDas-nf6bh Saitama punched Garou so hard they went back in time and reset the whole universe in the manga. The fuck's Ichigo gonna do against that? Getsuga Tenshou?
17:12 i would like to disagree here.If ichigo pushes him hard enough then he would feel extreme excitement like the one he faced in his dream in the first ep.So uk taking away his nest win con by saying it wont happen again is pretty biased i would say.
Not saying i diagree witg ur conclusion but saying saitama wouldnt grow at all is just an infactual statement as not only have you clearly shown that you understand that he grows by emotions which btw would include the following: happiness,excitement,anxious,prideful,frustrated, etc which all could come from Saitama not one shotting ichigo or if somehow he was losing which by a feat stand point makes sense Saitama loses as his entire series is more about the people around him then himself, although excluding goku and others i feel like when it comes down to it from a biased standpoint i think saitama would fold them keep in mind i said biased standpoint as feats are kinda weird considering how short of a time frame opm has been out compared to these other ones and how long he actually trained for. As in my opinion he is the only character to train for only 3 years and be considered to fight ppl who trained almost there entire story which should be a feat in on itself. Again ichigo solos if you go by feats and saitama could possibly grow if he feels like it.
@shudeepta This is assuming he gets 1 tapped as Saitama has never been 1 tapped by any character in his series not even one's stronger than him in his dreams while ichigo has been shown to be blitzed and also blitzes ppl in his Manga. So and if one himself says he think Saitama could have an interesting fight with goku who is leagues above ichigo then I think he would only get one shot if you apply maybe unfair feats to the logic. Again one thing ppl forget is the amount of time in which both series even show there characters progression
@YTDARKEXE saitama has never gotten 1 shot by people in his manga cause he scales significantly higher than him Also nobody with any scaling knowledge scales saitama even remotely near goku now
@shudeepta So know the creator of their own characters don't know how well there characters could do against other characters. I guess one and Murata are unable to read dragon ball super so they must not know how there own character would do dang. Again Saitama would only get one shotted if you use unfair power scaling of feats which is the same issue with goku vs Saitama as feats don't care about how the characters would be portrayed nor characters progression. If you ask y it's unfair need I remind you the amount of training each character has done and amount of screen time they had by themselves
@YTDARKEXE 💀💀💀 What are you saying???? Bro his strongest enemy is cosmic garou who is not even galaxy while saitama is galaxy to multi galaxy ofc he gonna not get 1 tapped That's like saying yhwach solos anime as he can just rewrite his death over and over
Ichigo part is mostly headcanon power and speed. Nowhere the higher dimension and 4th dimension mentioned in bleach. It's just assumption. The fastest captain in bleach was said to gin who was mach500. Whereas the only thing headcanon in Saitama case is infinite strength. Saitama literally kicked off hyperspace on panel. Saitama stomp.
That “hyperspace” was a gate to the 4th dimension not the 4th dimension it’s like saying someone who breaks the front door to a house destroyed the actual house
yo off topic kinda but i just watched another calc for future goku or 10 year time skip goku and he was scaled above arale making a 6D+ or even higher calc idk i found the scale kinda interesting also love your channel hope you get 50k soon (it was a seth calc btw)
That depends on WHICH Goku. Xeno and CC Goku already scales to infinite 5D. So it's no debate that those two would be 6D+ after a timeskip. But super Goku is nowhere close pretty much, even in the manga. Blud got one shotted by black frieza and the best thing he did was defeat Moro, who scales to atleast multi-universal.
@@kevinbaumhoer7359 i've read all three volumes of the novel. It is *NEVER* stated or implied that the 3 worlds are 3 universes. Matter of fact, it's heavily implied that the 3 worlds are planets that exist in one universe.
@@_B4nkif ichigo was 4D than in his fight with aizen he wouldn’t be blowing the tops of mountains off he would be blowing planets away or solar systems or even galaxies 🤦♂️ power stacking is cringe, if we gave baryon mode Naruto power stacking than nuclear fusion which is what baryon mode is, is calced to at least a 500 million times amp on top of his solar AP and ftl scaling making him outer but he def isn’t 😂😂 and if we give saitama power stacking he’s infinite meaning he’s stronger than any dimensional tier of power.
@@NathanHager-o6j theres many feats to say that ichigo is 4D especially cour 4 of TYBW where you will visually see I can go on a whole rant on how ichigo is 4d
“Saitamas speed is based via calcs” like bro😂 ichigos speed was LITERALLY based on baseless suppositions and calcs “35 million times faster than light” sure Like seriously you made an assumption that ceros are light speed worded the explanation of bankai differently in order to artificially conflate numbers and excluded multiple statements implanted by the AUTHOR like gins bankai and then you ramble about “authors intent” when trying to validate a claim, and just overall assumed shit, than say saitamas speeds is based on”calcs” after doing all that?! Hypocritical
Hey, I thought it would be fun if you do a 1v1 video with The Painkiller from Judas Priest's song. He's calced to easily have stronger AP than an atom bomb in the lyrics. Hope you see this and have a great day Toaster!
Portal he didn't make shit ! Like think he needed 1 clone to make a meteor that can destroy a country so 5 clone gets him 7 imagination boost so he continental not galaxy level like wft
Saitama also damaged phoenix man’s pocket dimension without trying. Also saitama has broken the 4th wall and instantly becomes stronger than his opponent after one punch or a extreme emotion and that includes extreme boredom and he is always bored also also seirous moves are just saitama trying a tiny more than usual.(saitama said “I didn’t even try” when using serious side hops against sonic)
The evidence is straight up ass, Saitama's power wouldn't apply to other Universes? Logic does not apply to Saitama no matter what, he's been shown to break through pocket dimensions just by hearing that, he's been able to time travel with ease, my guy has even been able to look at the back of his head!. Saitama can literally do anything if he wanted to, due to anime logic/logic not applying to him in general. Not to mention, he still didn't take damage from Cosmic Garou, despite the guy being a galaxy level threat, to where him and Saitama wiped out tons of stars and planets during their serious punch collision. If you think about it, Saitama's gag is his power and if you want a fight with him, his power will follow, no matter what anime verse he's in, that logic won't apply to him, due to his limiter being literally broken, to where he literally has no limits in every way possible. Not to mention, he wasn't growing strong just because he was mad, the adrenaline from the fight was pushing him beyond his opponent, so like, if he fought Ichigo, my man would surpass him in no time, and none of Ichigo's attacks would work on him. Funny enough, Saitama still hasn't shown us his full power, with the fact that he was still holding back in that broken fight with Garou.
Good video but there is a small problem you cannot calculate Fullbring Ichigo from Dangai Ichigo. Dangai Ichigo is way above Fullbring with Fullbring being closer to Vasto Lorde in power. As Dangai Ichigo is transcendent unlike any of his other forms until True Shikai. But still Ichigo is MFTL.
If we are realky talking about gag powers then Gintoki from gintama solos anime verse. Gintoki unlike saitama can actually go into his gag form at will. Gintoki tought the author how to write manga. Thats far greater than ichigo or saitama has shown.
I think the video was done really well with the scaling and explanation of both characters. Incukding not kiwvalling ichigo scaling to planetary at end of the series. Speed scaling with his multipliers was good and nade sense
I swear bleach power scaling is so conjecture based and contingent on opinionated claims. Bankai is a 5 to 10 times combat ability increase, the statement within itself is inherently vague as a increase in combat ability doesn’t pertain to stats but literally what it means “ability” we know this to be the case as other captains don’t get an increase in stats but gain a new ability that aids them in battle subsequently giving them in edged in battle you completely misconstrued and editorialised what was said to ascertain a different meaning Also the cero statements referring it to light doesn’t mean it’s light speed there is literally no commonality between them. I find it funny how other anime have to operate under the paradigm that just because something is “light” doesn’t make it light speed except bleach. Naruto,one piece and dragon ball all have this. I doubt people would agree with 22 budokai light speed goku lol. Also with author intent almost every description pertaining to the charicturs of soul society is a structure or planet. The seritai is stated to be on soul society in the middle of it(world tour guide among other guid books) its also described as having(or alluded to) an atmosphere and water source, same with the huako mendo with an atmosphere filled with reishi. Also gins bankai if Mach 500 destroys any speed meta.
Yeah Saitama via scale from the shockwave with his punch with Garou get around 1,3 billions time the speed of light at the lowball , Ichigo at most is hundred of time via yhwach scaling (this is extremely high balling Ichigo) , but Ichigo win condition isn't about better physical prowess (While they are relatively the same for now , both are at Solar Systems but Saitama could be argue for Multi Solar system , they havent reach their full potential yet , depend on how the anime go , Ichigo could get significantly stronger due to Shenjumaru upscalling the verse while Saitama could grow more to fight God) Ichigo will win because of his passive reiatsu flow , which could crush Saitama's soul (Saitama has never shown a feat of resisting soul attack as powerfull as like .. anything in bleach ) Reiatsu have the properties of Existence Erasure (Yeah this one clear the entier verse of Saitama alone with the maybe exception being god living in another dimension) , Fear Manipulation , Paralyse , power Null . So while Saitama is stronger , faster and have way more potential and could get much stronger during battle , he will still absolutely be no dif (quite literally no dif , Ichigo just stand there and Saitama die) by Ichigo
@@LuffyDGoat …..it was. Gin specifically had asked ichigo if he heard that after clapping his hand in reference to sound and than said “it’s 500 times that” pretty conclusive if you ask me. And the guide book’s recapitulate and build upon what he had mentioned in reference to his Bankais speed, so he either lied to aizen and not ichigo or he lied to both and gins bankai is slower than Mach 500.
@@AilonZenget it didn't specifically stated "mach 500" that's just headcanon to downplay the speed in the verse. Well the speed is a lie(databook) i dont you can use this to scale bleach. There's also a databook where gin and toshiro stated to move at the speed of light.
I think you can argue this one of two ways. Either the Bleach universal meta is legit and Ichigo stomps, or you go by the planetary meta and Saitama stomps.
@@VVooshbait it’s really not clear. Bleach has a crazy amount of anti feats. Gremmy’s country level meteor made Jugram fearful for Yhwach. The anime seems to be giving new feats, so maybe universe level will become more clear when the anime finishes.
@@weeaboo-warriorthe meteor is able to destroy seritertie or something like that it not soul socity and can you make it more clear about jugram thing?
@@kapil9682 Jugram was saying something like they needed to protect his majesty when he saw the meteor. And yeah, the meteor was going to destroy the seireitei, which is country sized.
This has got to be the most overhyped Bleach scaling I've ever seen. Completely devoid of feats, author statement and context. Based completely on literal amp scaling via math, which we know for a fact is not how mangakas power scale their characters. Bleach has innumerable obvious feats and statements that contradict this line of scaling. Zommari, confirmed to be the fastest Arrancar, scaling to base Byakuya. By your calc, he should be like 100 000 times faster or something. Ichigo scaling to Yhwach somehow even though Yhwach is using HAX for his feats, not speed or strength. It's all illiterate, overblown nonsense.
"wanking" also links a video of ichigo being multiversal 😂. Bro ichigo is universal at best, just because he killed yhwach doesnt scale him to yhwach. he only won because yhwachs allmighty stopped working, he got perception blitzed due to a silver arrow and aizens Kyoka shigetsu affecting all of his 5 senses, seeing aizen as ichigo.
@@DRASERUS well, that's how the power system works in bleach. You have to match the opponents spiritual energy in order to actually damage them, but I still don't think Ichigo is multi, more like uni.
We also forget that Ichigo will be attacking on a spiritual level. Saitama has never encountered this type of power. Physical durability seems useless in this scenario imo. Unless the opm man fan base starts claiming his soul is invulnerability as well.
If the disruption of the flow of the universe causes a domino effect that will destroy the universe, that’s not truly possessing Uni+ levels of power. That’s seems more equivalent to some pressing a button to launch a nuke, than buuhan collapsing dimensions on eachother. A Butterfly Effect , just on a grand scale. The DC would be Uni+, not the AP, but that only because of the way the cosmology is structured in bleach. If what you’re saying is true, this wouldn’t apply to any other cosmology. Even then, the DC doesn’t express his true DC outside of attacking a weak point.
Wait what? So you don’t think Saitama fighting someone stronger than him (which is something he desires) would be enough to spark his growth?? Also how does not being a gag character not apply outside the verse the character is in? When did that become a rule of vs? The bases of Saitamas entire character is that he can end a fight in one punch.
No, I don’t think it would. Not to mention, you’d have to prove his growth could literally transcend higher dimensional differences in power. His gag doesn’t apply to other verses because it was something created for the intended verse. It’s like saying Ichigo would beat Saitama because Ichigo is **the main character**. It just doesn’t work and Saitama clearly doesn’t end every fight in one punch, that was made abundantly clear.
Hyperspace has different meanings based on the media. In OPM, the hypergates are literally portals to fast travel, similar to Star Wars or the portals in Stranger Things. In Bleach they are literally higher dimensions. They don’t have the same meaning as so they don’t apply to both the same way.
@@ToasterXD well people can just say "reishi a bleach verse thing so no one with reishi auto lose because they have no reishi even superman since he has no reishi/reiatsu" tbh that was stupid because almost no series i can think have actual crossovers besides op,dbz,and toriko with each other so you have even tougher to prove so and so verse abilities work outside of their verse.
I think you’re wrong about saitama not being able to grow unless he has something like genos death to drive him it has been said many times that he longs for a real fight and as you can see in the subterranean dream that drive for him to be in a exciting fight where he is pushed to his limits furthers his power.
not even cosmic garou was somehow "real fight" which endangered Saitama it was said that "god" gave Garou powers in every single paralel universe and even if Saitama was holding back,theres no way he could lose to Garou
No matter how strong and fast Ichigo gets Saitama will get to that level and surpass it and Saitama has infinite stamina ( and Saitama is invincible so Ichigo won't get a single scratch on Saitama so the winner is pretty much clear )
@@kanviniyam Saitama get so weak he get damage by cat...... there's also questionable stuff like can Saitama even see ichigo. What difference? peak showcase, Saitama scales below ichigo.
Did saitama even get wounded? I mean if not how can we know that saitama can even die? I mean if garou was at the same lvl or slightly higher at the beginning and saitama took no damage how will he take damage at all?
It is this guys being bias 🤦♂️ and saitama has moved at over a billion times faster than the speed of light 🤦♂️ this guy has no scale saitama is 4D 5D you can scale higher but it’s debatable ichigo gets absolutely slammed because saitama speed blitz
@@Vitalisy100soul is different thing spritual pressure will send you out of existence how the fuck you ignoring it it has nothing to do with speed and saitama shows no sign of soul resistance and even opm manga authour said in mob psyco (same authour) that soul power and psychic power are different so the tatsumaki thing will not save saitama he is dead man
@@kapil9682 You just used a other Animes author 💀🙏But for your sake I’ll agree to and teach you how fast this dude saitama would smoke that pack saitama moved so fast he opened a dimensional plain that isn’t accessible but he did it with shear speed trying to attack someone(not the cosmic garou fight this was before hand) while The Soul is said to be on a dimensional plain saitama can definitely move fast enough to open a gate to that Soul And Hit it And shatter it to pieces And saitama dimensionality compared to his Soul take is enough for his durability to be comparable to his soul which would give him his durability which would be incredibly difficult to Break also i think ur also forgetting that verse equalization would happen Here And give saitama Even more of a Chance also the bar Graph showed during The saitama vs garou fight proved thst saitamas power multiplied by thousands from its starting point if u take it at face value u can get saitama to multiversal with just simple Math And those Soul STRIKES WOULDNT Even matter BECAUSE SAITAMA DIMENSIONAL PLAIN IS HIGHER LOL
glad you used that infinite scan for saitama to say the least, but i dont like how you made it seem like it's inaccurate to the normies by saying that saitama growing in power contradicts it in any sense, we would have to apply that same logic to broly from db super who also grows exponentially (or really a lot of the cast) and he also has at least 4D levels of power, which should also be in the realm of infinity, but him growing doesnt contradict anything. and that would also be an appeal to reality for all intents and purposes
Infinite potential is nothing I have an issue with when it comes to the scan, it’s the fact that people think it’s referring to infinite power outright when that’s clearly not the case.
@@ToasterXD A lot of the time, characters in fiction don't straight up have the feats to back up their statements, which leads many to dismiss it as just hyperboles, but I do think OPM has at least 1 feat, depending on how you interpret it, which could support the "infinite strength" notion for the top tiers within OPM. The feat I'm referring to is where Garou envelops himself within a black hole to replicate a gamma ray burst. Now, why is it impressive? Black holes have an infinitely small point at their center, a point of infinite heat, infinite density, and infinite pressure called a singularity. Anything in the universe approaching the singularity would get obliterated, yet Garou was withstanding it. And with so many infinite power statements in this series, i think its a waste to just dismiss all of them, the feat i mentioned at least gives those some credence.
@ToasterXD no problem, I see the comments you get, and there really wrong you're always biased on both characters you scale and respectful to them so ignore those haters 😉
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the planet surface statement for boros is a mistranslation that only exists in the english version. the actual statement is that he will destroy the planet.
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Actually Ichigo's bankai didn't break to return to base zangetsu, it's only the sheath that broke(that white scabbard) + kubo confirmed that he still has all his powers + the true bankai, he just can switch between the old shikai zangetsu the dual blades shikai, so in the hell chapter he was just using the old one that he is used to.
I'm pretty sure that "base" Zangetsu was the true form all along. Kubo gave a bunch clues, he didn't have an Asauchi, he forced his soul reaper powers out and his first bankai acts like a resurrection based on the explanation of resurrection and bankai Kubo gave. Also Ginjo in the novel said his Bankai was more a resurrection, but he said bankai b/c he thought that's what it was. I'm like 99% sure it was always supposed to be his true sword
Is it?
@@Nobodyfrom2003yes all of that is from Klub outside
@@tabkg5802 oh nice, thx
@@vastos2587
It is his true bankai but with a sheath on it and a chain + a crazy amount of power and hax that we never saw.
Cour 2 solidified the fact that bleach high tiers are way above universal scaling
Facts, Renji and Rukia are easily 4D since they were boosted by Squad 0. Squad 0 easily showed they were above time because of Ichibei's ability to use time in a Kido and ressurect himself anywhere on the timeline (and CFYOW confirmed all Squad 0 members can use this). Yhwach bodied Ichibei and Aizen and Ichigo could affect and even kill him, putting Ichigo easily on the 5D scale
@@scottiecurrie7927 i mean even dangai ichigo couldn’t be comprehended by aizen. Aizen killed the cleaner who governs space and time. Ichigo had 5D reiatsu before tybw and 4D ap so it’s just consistent w this
ichigo is highball low complex multiversal
@@roywempor8395 ey relax. The realms in bleach arent even up to 10 much less infinite. Complex multiverse is being able to destroy an infinite amount of 4D universes i think
@@x_pkay no, it's clearly stated both in the series and data book that hueco mundo in an infinite desert
Ichigo is actually part broken limiter so Ichigo clears after accepting his lineage.
Ichigo's grandparents were a vessel of G.O.D, so Ichigo can unlock G.O.Ds powers and rail saitamas lil bussy
@@Dorneles2307you stupid 😂
What are you guys yapping about
Yeah no
@@G4M3R1R0N It’s a joke in the bleach community
I just like how the implication that being faster than light means these fights end before they started
Oh, and not to mention the effects lightspeed travel alone has on the environment surrounding the traveller and on the traveller itself, let alone being FASTER than light. And it wouldn't make sense narratively because, like you mentioned, the fights would end in an instant and the stakes would be nonexistent. Lol.
Big mistake bring logic into anime
Bleach does rely alot on statements far more than the other two in the big three but in the current anime they are showing far more feats like the zero squad bankai shaking the three worlds
And each world being it's own universe lol
Thats not true, only Hueco Mundo is its own Universe@@sphera4147
Its still not clear if the Soul Society is the same as Earth or Universe since it was just stated to be the same as the real world@@sphera4147
Gremmy outer space exist 😭
Filler. And only planets were shown shaking.
Tbf, we still have no idea what ichigo's true bankai actually does. All we know is the most broken power to have ever been created in any anime, deemed it too dangerous and had to prevent it from being used.
Most broken ability in anime? Buddy do you even know what kind of insane bs abilities some of the broken characters have? Like literally I know a character that has the power of 'reader closing the book' or the power to ignore the writer himself or even worse encapsulation of all the frictional work to ever exist into oneself
@@Life_is_miraculusfr this guy is nuts 🌰 he is bleach phase so that’s why
@@17denbyyea and worst part is his so called 'broken' bankai isn't even the strongest in his own verse
EoS Ichigo vs Eos Aizen would be a very interesting one, but I think what makes this fight a lil difficult is that we have no knowledge of what either of their bankai can do, also great video, I've always seen people heavily downplay Ichigo when it came to this topic, I'll always see Ichigo winning in this matchup
That Ichigo/Shinra IS Exactly
Both tell Winning very simply
@itsdistinctlynah it goes both ways
Eos Aizen doesn't have a bankai
@@nicholas-dv1mg find me evidence that he doesn't, cuz Aizen's whole motivation when evolving with the hogyoku was that he wanted to transcend and surpass the limits of the shinigami & hollow, meaning he reached the limit of power when it came to being a shinigami, which should mean he must've achieved bankai, a man like Aizen would try to achieve that power & it's within his character to do so
@@prynce. he's now merged with it, therefore transcending soul reapers and hollows, spreading it's effects to his entire body. you don't see him using it after using the hogyoku, at most a projection of it from his body.
Most people are forgetting Saitama gets exponentially more powerful as the fight goes on, as shown in his fight with garou
Nothing implies he was getting stronger. Saitama was just simply using more of his power as the fight went on.
@@DHworldwide185he was literally exponentially growing, but people keep taking that growth out of context. He was massively rage amped by watching Genos fucking DIE (or nearly die, his core was ripped out) and it was a one-time thing.
17:11.
@@DHworldwide185 Wrong, it was stated that Genos dying caused Saitama's emotions to boil over, and it caused his growth rate to massively increase. Saitama was using full power the entire time he fought Cosmic Garou, he was just growing stronger by the second.
How you want to increase your power by time when you get one shoted the first nanosecond of the fight?
Also the manga states and shows 1 member of Squad 0 activating bankai and shaking all 3 universal sized realms. Ichigo scales higher than everyone in Squad 0 (maybe besides Ichibei)
Ichigo does beat ichibei in HOS form since the form landed several hits oh Almighty Yhwach while that form one shorted everybody in bleach including Ichibei, ichigo is still the second strongest in bleach
@@mayokunolaoye8007 *third, prime soul king was stronger than Yhwach, remember Yuha could only absorb a third of a disabled soul king, prime soul king was stated to be the strongest being of his time and only lost because he saw the future and let himself be captured.
@@roywempor8395 True, If hell arc is a thing and maybe comes after cour 4 or after 2026-2027 it would be a dream come true if they talked about he soul king a bit more cause we don't really know much about his powers we only know he has a stronger version of the almighty aswell as all the Quincy powers
@@roywempor8395what in the headcanon 😂😂😂😂 prime soul king was the strongest in HIS time, CFYOW novels state yhwach was above prime soul king, stop overrating this fraud
1. Ichigo
2. Yhwach
3. Kenpachi (Yes, in base he destroyed ancient soul king fragments IN BASE not even shikai)
4. Soul king
5. Aizen
This is in terms of raw power not hax
He's even over ichibe
I get the feeling that after the god arc finishes and saitama defeats god, his powerscaling is gonna go through the roof and the big three won't be too much trouble for him. That's just a gut feeling tho looking at how exponential the power system rises in one punch man, going from boros just barely either destroying the planet or the surface of it, to possible destroying multiple galaxies with garou or many many stars.
Blud is desperate
@@Randoom_dudehow?
until bleach hell verse comes out and ichigo becomes part demon and scales outerversal
@@ecomog4735 ichigo never becomes outerversal, idk what you mean. Even in his final forms in the manga, he never scales to that when you actually look at the context of the realms in bleach and what outerversal truly is
@@Raylord614 Too be fair he is atleast above dimensional considering he broke hell with one attack
I think the biggest issue in comparing these two is that opm isn't complete. By the end of the series it's pretty realistic he'll grow beyond 3d due to the fight with god
If you wanna get into technicalities, ichigo can still show stronger feats in the hell arc
@@JonasRosadoso?
OPM fanboys always saying the series isn't complete. When has that ever stopped anyone from doing versus matches?
@@jirenthegray5776 Did he say a comparison wasnt possible, or that it was just an issue... You can't get a true winner because BOTH characters aren't at their heights. Now if you wanna get wins off of unfinished characters thats diff😭
Bleach arent complate also tho..the hell arc is underway and it seems random hollows there are vice captain to captain level in that dimension
As a fan of both manga I love both of them but happiness is also a emotion and Saitama would be happy finding someone as strong as ichigo so he would grow idk if that makes a difference but I'm fine with any one winning
yh niggas be acting stupid saying it's a one time thing,forgetting what happened in his dream, u thing finding a tough opponent wouldn't cause him to get excited and grow? then u really dont understand his character
Yes Saitama grows exponentially but can’t defeat ichigo but ichigo cant beat Saitama as well so it meds as a draw
@@lemon-brawlstars6814and he'd out scale him to even Zeno cuz well he's potential is infinite
@@Luna_69420-m thats possible
@lemon-brawlstars6814 I mean he gonna fight God so
Incredible content as always my glorious king
Holy glaze
OMG IT’S GOJI-CHRONIC
4:50 Aizen oneshotting Kototsu (a being of reason which governs time and space) seems like a pretty good fest to me tbh. And also Kenpachi oneshotting a bring that fused with garganta in SAFWY too. Great video tho keep cooking
And kenny easily destroying soul king fragments in base
Unlike ichigo saitama actually showed 4D feat by traveling in time.Being 4D doesnt mean being spirit.ichigo has different realm of power being soul but that doesn't mean ichigo can kill saitama.It also doesnt mean saitama can kill ichigo as his destructive powers are only physical.But he broke through spiritucal realm of phoenix.So his power may not just be physical
And why do you think he would not grow any more in power while fighting ichigo?you did not explain that
Traveling in time doesn't make you 4D bruh😮💨...
But if you want to stand on that then, Aizen destroy the Kokotsu (a natural law of nature which controls space-time itself) ichigo is tiers above this lvl of Aizen
Traveling through time or destroying a being that controls time, which one is the better feat😮💨...
@@FJUVHJDSR Having a power to control time makes you 4D.The dimentional tiering in anime is BS.Go search on google what 4dimentional being means
@@FJUVHJDSR And what you are stating is hax ability against 4D being.Means aizen have attack potency of 4D or 5D if he can beat a 4D being while being 3D.You can be 3D and have 4D or 5D attack potency
@@Returntonature145no dimensions are not tiers of ap lol
Also his point is vaild if you say saitama time traveling is 4d
@@shudeepta Being 4D means having control over time but you can't go to a timeline where you can meet your past version. If you can nullify this even then you can stop a 4D being while being 3D
From what I see from Saitama, he isn't infinitely strong but can get infinitely stronger during a fight. He seems to always be stronger than whoever he is facing but seems to then get stronger.
If it is possible for a character to be stronger that Saitama, then that character would need to destroy saitama immediately because otherwise Saitama will get stronger almost instantly.
Problem is that we don't know whether his durability is always infinite or if it also gets stronger. I suspect it gets stronger as well which would mean all Characters with better feats than Saitama can beat Saitama as long as they destroy him immediately.
Just my head canon. Things change as the series goes, God might end up being multidimensional making Saitama even more insane.
Exactly, people seem to ignore more feats of Saitama which is insane!
Considering the new chapters and many more upcoming things relevant towards god can literally change more perspectives, which can definitely ruin these videos. In reality, we haven’t seen as much from Saitama. Until then we’ll see in the future. This comment is a W!
After he fights G.O.D in his respective anime, it’s likely wraps for half the debates saitama has been in before.
But here comes the problem, that the plot of opm is built in such a way that all the antagonist are weak af compared to saitama and he suffers from that and maybe God will be the one to match or exceed his power so we can't say that he become stronger automatically than everyone he fight... It's just the plot of opm
And also even if we assume that saitama will become on par with ichigo then also we know that spiritual pressure exist and saitama hasn't shown any resistance against spiritual attacks, for example when aizen comes near a human during hogyoku arc the person just get vaporized and the same aizen gets dog walked by a much weaker version of ichigo also ironically aizen also grew exponentially due to hogyoku , so how can we say saitama won't get vaporized after coming near to ichigo to hit him
Even if saitama becomes multiversal he gets instakilled by reiatsu
Why do people forget how Ichigo is a literal soul reaper ? Let just make that Saitama can see and touch Ichigo , every single attack of Ichigo is an attack to the soul , which Saitama has no resistance of , Saitama growth only apply to his physical power , never has it make his soul stronger . Let not forget that Ichigo Reiatsu alone is enough to crush Saitama soul (Reiatsu in Bleach have the properties of Fear Manip , Existence Erasure , Paralyse , Power Nullification , etc.... ) Like there is literally no way for Saitama (as of right now ) win agaisnt Ichigo lol . The Saitama fan (and Goku fan) can't accept that just 'Punching Hard" doesn't make you the strongest being in fiction lol
Some one with a brain👍
Until the author writes that he can punch the soul too. You're thinking waaaaay too hard on this tbh
@@MJNayak-fg3oelol yeah no 😂
@@GothamThotSlayer Well then that will become a bias , as of currently , in debate we do not take "potential " as a character true power . Maybe in the future Ichigo could go around and destroy the Multiverse ? Who know . So yeah , pls yall gotta stop thinking like Saitama gonna adapt to every thing in existence as if he is a god . If not for the shear bias One (the author) gave him , he wouldn't be close to this level , and in death battle we do not take author bias
@@GothamThotSlayerRobert "Invincible CAN DEFEAT AND BLITZ Superman" Kirkman seems to believe so. You can thank Stan Lee for the whole irrational concept of "depends on what the writer wants".
Writer bias is the worst, and it is just as bad as the fan bias WITHOUT evidence to back it up.
Remember that saitama kicked away hyperspace portals and punched into the phoenix space. In my opinion that makes him at least partially 4 dimensional. Or four dimentional when he feels like it
That how dimensionality work
@@INFINIX-2503
IDK if it's true but, based on my experience, I believe
A 3d character who is decently strong and is galaxy level at max(characters such as luffy, Naruto, etc.)
A 4d character is someone who can travel through time and distort space and stuff.
A 5D character is someone who can destroy universes.
That's the limit of my knowledge tho
@@INFINIX-2503kicking away hyperspace gates is exactly how that works
W analysis. Absolute banger you've made toaster. Can't believe you started off at 0 to hero. jkjkjk but still absolute goated.
As someone said later in the comment finally finding someone more powerful then him would cause him immense happiness.thus being a state of immense happiness = more growth more powah more sped more hit me harder
ichigos reiatsu would evaporate saitama just because he got close to ichigo 💀💀💀
@@r3voi254 that goes for normal humans, not a human like god like Saitama who was literally got hit by a gamma ray burst at point blank range and was fine. Note, GRB can hit with a temperature of over 1.9billion degrees Kelvin or same as Celsius.
Saitama's feat used here are still of him holding back like bro was using only one hand, trying not to kill garou,and LITERALLY low diff-no diff garou.He wasnt once seen to be struggling and tanking everything garou threw at him.Even after garou fought saitama as Saitama he couldn't do shit.Saitama is highly durable its pretty obvious 💀
The only way for Ichigo to win against Saitama is by one shotting him from the start to prevent him from powering up. It can be done by ambushing him using a sale coupon.
nah he going boundless the second he sees the sale coupon
Except saitama will instantly die due to reiatsu
@@VVooshbait saitama is not an ordinary human
@@mahdi7211 but he does not have reiatsu so he is a ordinary human but very very strong basically, ichigo can just obliterate him by using his reiatsu since he is relative to the likes of aizen who kills humans just by interacting with them
@@r3voi254 ok but ur still referring to normal humans... that's like saying the death note will kill saitama or Ichigo or whatever if u write their name, even tho we've only ever seen it used on regular humans, regular humans cant survive space, regular humans cant punch holes into spatial dimensions, regular humans cant interact with intangible things, regular humans cant bathe in lava, saitama is clearly above the phrase "human" at this point
I like the way you make me know who is stronger but it for now, idk what will Murata hit us at the future
I do think that eventually when Saitama fights God who exists in an outer dimensional world will scale up saitama to basically anyone. We just need to give OPM some time I think
Could you now scale OP? This verse is so underestimated and heavily downplayed its sad really. People have double standards against OP in scaling whilst using the same type of scaling for their characters and seeing no fault in logic.
If you read the OPM, after they “destroy” the region of stars with the combined serious punch and blast + crews energy redirection, we later see back on earth that the stars haven’t actually been destroyed relative to its position if you look at the continents relative where the stars were destroyed. So they didn’t actually destroy the stars but block out the light, this also makes sense as blast implies it will destroy the earth which makes no sense to say if it’s multi star level.
The anime should clear this up because then we can see if this is factually the case.
Edit: You can’t claim ichigo in hollow mask is relative to the vasto lorde form because its mask markings changed, that’s not proof at all. half bankai ichigo was able to block and negate 0 espada yammys attacks and mask v2 cut yammys neck. Full bankai mask v1 is above that half bankai ichigo yet he couldn’t even harm R1 Ulq. Which proves R1 ulq is above ichigo who’s above the ichigo that contended with yammy before he uses his mask v2 unless you say his half bankai state is amped massively above full bankai mask v1. But you physically cannot prove such a claim at all and it’s riddled with that contradiction that I just pointed out. So again, R1 ulq via being above a stronger ichigo who later in a weaker state could block yammys punch and negate his bala in 0 form would mean R1 ulq could do that with ease and neg 0 form yammy. Yammys 0 form being a strictly strength and power amp which ichigo contended directly with in half bankai. If what you’re saying is correct then an ichigo who contended with yammys strength and attacks at half bankai who’s weaker than full bankai and much weaker than full bankai mask v1 which R1 ulq negged would mean his mask amp should be in the hundreds to thousands and yet it only allow for a shallow cut on yammy using getsuga. So are you saying yammy while punching and shooting balas at half bankai ichigo was holding back hundreds to thousands of times worth his power… makes literal no sense and you can’t back this up.
Correct scaling, ichigo mask v2 gets a little amp from v1 mask. And you could argue he gets a little amp to his bankai state but not enough to close any significant gap like between Ulq r1 and ichigo full bankai mask v1.
R1 Ulq >> Full bankai mask v1 ichi
R1 Yammy >= half bankai ichi
R1 Yammy =< half bankai mask v1 ichi who only lost due to mental trauma.
Full bankai (ulq fight)> half bankai (after ulq) (ichigo would need a 2x amp after the ulq fight in bankai state to be atleast equal to his previous half bankai power but there’s literally no to little proof of even small amps so my claim is correct)
Mask v2 > mask v1 due to ichigo and rukias statement of the increase in weight and darkness which implies dark power (hollow), but that amp in power is unknown and ichigo states it feels a little heavier. We could attribute this to a little amp but we simply do not know at all. Small amp to be safe since his power is not vastly different for any comparison we have of before and after.
So yes full bankai mask v2 > full bankai mask v1 (but only by a little, minimum x2 and max maybe x3 in TOTAL for both new mask and amped bankai because we have so little evidence for any substantial amp)
Which means R1 Ulq > full bankai mask v2 ichi > full bankai mask v1 ichi which proves…
R1 Ulq >> Full bankai mask v1 as I stated before.
Which also means R1 Ulq > Yammy R1 or 0 release.
Yammy R1 + rage is obviously > yammy R1. And you could argue stronger or relative to R1 Ulq.
R2 Ulq >> R1 + rage yammy obviously. Scaling dictates this is the answer objectively, yammy literally has no feats on par with R2 Ulq or scaling, yammy also has no speed or movement lmao.
Makes no sense to state that and you’ve got no actual proof mask v2 is at vasto lorde level because of the change in markings 🤣. Also kaname stating he’s attained a greater power than bankai while referring to his hollowfication doesn’t prove a 10x amp directly. After all we know bankai sajin and masked base kaname are relative if not Sajin is slightly above as he pushes kaname to ressurect. You could argue the mask + ressurection is above bankai as a summation or whole which makes more sense, either way it doesn’t apply. Unless we assume base sajin is vastly above base kaname thus his mask amp would support this but there’s no proof to that what so ever and they’re both at captain level in base. So very unlikely. Your scaling is riddled with inconsistencies, lack of proof and misrepresentation. But I still agree with the outcome of the video.
Not reading all that but the light from stars takes years to reach earth you would not notice if they have been destroyed for years
@@aidanh7527 well yes it would if it destroyed the stars, the argument you just made should prove to yourself the stars weren’t destroyed and I’ll explain how. the attack collision made of energy (in some non scientific way) absorbed all the light in its vector path which means instantly we cannot see anything that happens in its path, and then the light returns when they get back to earth.
If the light has returned in less than the time it took them to fight which is minimum > 24 hours then it cannot have destroyed the stars. Because like you said, the light would have taken a minimum of the closest stars > 4-5 light years to see any one star at the closest distance. Which means in actuality as I stated, it merely blocked out the light over the distance it traveled where t is the time it took for the light to get back and ft is the time it took for garou and saitamas fight to end after the collision attack. In other words the stars cannot have been destroyed if t < ft.
Ah right, the bright attack made of pure energy magically turned black and blocked out the light. No, the guy just didn't put in consideration the fact that the stars would stay gone, or didn't realise they would be in that position.
@@ひきこもりi what’s your argument for exactly? You’ve not made sense in your comment, you saying the stars were destroyed or not, the authors scientific knowledge is irrelevant to whether they were destroyed because we know they weren’t due the stars light reappearing proving they weren’t destroyed.
We infer fact from what is given and correlates, not what isn’t. Stars light is gone, stars light is back, stars = not destroyed. Simple statement, I never inferred an appeal to reality fallacy if that’s what you’re implying, I only countered this other guys question of an appeal to reality with his own logic and actual science as he implied would happen yet not be the case if so due to how physics works.
@@MrDeclareWar Dude... forget all of that.. you know EXACTLY what I mean. The mangaka did NOT keep in consideration where the stars would be in correlation to the earth, and discrediting the feat because of that is an INSANE asspull. I mean sure, go with it if you want, but literally nobody is going to care. I don't see how a bright beam of energy is going to culminate in a giant black blockade but sure, if that's what you think, go crazy. Like, it doesn't "prove" anything. If manga was supposed to make sense 100% of the time, the stars light wouldn't "disappear" in the first place.
Call me desperate, but i think Saitama could beat Ichigo, we just have not seen him fight someone on that level yet.
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Sorry but bleach hax is too much for saitama
@@life-sf1oz Its just my opinion dude
@@NexusMerbokbleach has to much hax
@@NexusMerbok this youtuber didnt talk about how ichigo could evaporate saitama from existance due to the fact that he is a normal soul and can get one shotted by ichigos reiatsu pressure just by getting to close to him, similar to what aizen did
This is an amazing Christmas video honestly.
Glad you enjoyed.
I mean Saitama only has strength, plus a few physic breaking things, I mean I don't know what Soul Reaper guy can do specifically, but it is something to keep in mind as Saitama can't really do anything else
I dont think you know who saitama or WHAT saitama is
Hes not pure strength
And its not only reality breaking
He also has resistances to many hax weve seen currently
@@G4M3R1R0N To be fair I only read the Manga, the normal one, not the Terra stuff and all that, also I haven't seen him do a lot from what I can remember, except being strong and growing stronger, also when you say hax, what do you mean? I remember only Tatsumaki and Garou
Damn, I am a big fan of Bleach and I know that Ichigo is crazy strong... BUT I DIDNT KNOW HE IS THAT CRAZY-
So you think ichigo wins?
@@gemini.saga3Ichigo wins every time easily
@@TohGahr so in what way speed, strength or durability?
@@gemini.saga3he get that number from his ass like he goes double triple thousand times the speed of light like wtf the fire from the fight is still going on going on that speed you can eventually something like stop the time and the feats be like you cannot face the outer space but you can destroy the hell which is according to him above 3d feat he for ichigo who is above 3d time and space really doesnt matter but for his pow it does matter i mean i just crazy ass pullling power level you go up you go down 🙃🙃 bro didnt even consider the feat of saitama like every protagnist grows with the power of love , emotion , from suffuring of someones death but he neglect the saitama feats of growning like blab blahh yoo wtf you r baised AF
strength,d durability mainly@@gemini.saga3
Saitama sneezed and Ichigo disappeared. Saitama was able to grap hiper space gate. And he enter spiritual realm with pure strength. Saitama is massively faster than light. This guy is a bit bias. Saitama was able to copy god power without touching his hand.
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Dawg didnt he explain about the subspace Gates? I bet u think Saitama beats Goku too.
Grabbing hyper space isn't a feat 😂
Entering spiritual realm!? Bruh
Massively FTL, so is ichigo lil bro
Able to copy god power, not a feat
@@FJUVHJDSR do you know what hiper space gate is. Garou was surprised when Saitama did that. And Saitama was able to turn back time
@@wilsonalmonor2819 saitama used a technique to go back in time, that's not a feat that scales him higher than Ichigo...
Same for grabbing a hyperspace gate, Menos Grandes(low teir hollows) literally grabs and pulls Inter dimensional portals and the very fabric of space itself,
Both feats are nothing to put above ichigo bruh... Or are you gonna say Menos scales above ichigo!?😂😂
U completely ignored the fact that saitama can reverse causality by going back in time like tf💀.Dont go saying saitama doesn't have that going back in time power anymore like bro if u are comparing ichigo's best form then go with Saitama's best version as well.Saitama copied garou and performed that trick on his own as it was stated by garou himself.
Time travel ≠ reverse causality
Also ichigo hasn't lost his powers lol so why would he include time travel
Cry
Alright, he goes back in time. Then what, Saitama's gonna somehow find and kill baby Ichigo? Learns he was related to saitama, has his potential, and beats saitama anyway
@@broggy52 Saitama slams cope
@@bxdzXo Saitama slams Cope
Well he would grow if fighting someone stronger and get exited, it might not be as much growth but any emotions would most likely make him grow in strength. The reason he doesnt grow oustide of the garou fight is due to no one being as strong as garou and the fact that genos died.
Great video as usual 🗣️ Goat
Also merry Christmas
Happy holidays!
@ToasterXD Saitama's infinite strength is High Multiversal+ because he has 4D/5D feats. Him entering the transcendental world of the spirits introduced by Phoenix Man, him tanking Garou's extreme fajin which broke a 4D dimensional seal, him kicking the hyperspace gate (Blast tried to send Garou to another dimension with his portals and Garou copied and used that same interdimensional portals on Saitama) and him travelling from present to past, from one timeline to another parallel one (confirmed in Genos' long exposition paragraph), ignoring and punching through the temporal dimension and the distance between two parallel universes and making sure Genos' core doesn't get merged with the new one makes him at least 4D
Bro saitama is jus Galaxien plus with all oda his current feats during Thea Garou fight he went from Solar systen to Galaxien plus nothing.more.morning less and.once again saitama does not have infinite strength but infinite Potenzial there is a differens between these two against the current Ichigo he has no chance at the beginig but would get stronger over time
@@kevinbaumhoer7359 Are you really going to ignore his 4D feats by using your opinion? You are really a Saitama downplayer
plus not only that he also just simply knocked through the mental telepathic plane right? which means he might be even unaffected by Aizen's hypnosis
Argument used OPM gag wouldn’t apply outside of his verse… so why would any of Ichogo’s abilities apply outside of his verse? If you use that argument both characters abilities null and void outside of their verse and thus this battle is just a bald guy vs a dead guy…
1: gag doesn't not = insta win
2: because unless he literally has plot manipulation, it's not an actual ability he has
And if breaking 4th wall = gag then ulquiorra, ichigo and a few more characters are gag characters as they complained multiple times about how much filler bleach has
@@shudeepta Dawg you are just completely wrong.
@@tortellini2368 please tell me why gag = insta win
Imagine if adult ichigo gets another buff in the hell arc💀
The one thing I never understood about each realm being it’s own universe is it really shouldn’t be possible logically speaking. Before the three worlds. There was just one chaotic melting pot ( one universe) that the soul king and the noble families divided to make the three worlds to create balance. If he divided one universe how did it become three universe from one?
Them having there own galaxies, stars and planets would be understandable as they are divided of a single universe which contains these things. So how did it get to three universes?
Note: This isn’t some debunk attempt. I’m just genuinely curious. Whenever I ask a bleachtard just goes on a huge tangent without actually answering
If we assume the universe is infinite then splitting it in 3 makes 3 infinite separate universes. If we assume ot is finite then splitting it would make 3 smaller universes all the same size since its 1 split into 3 making each realm the same size as the world of the living.
@@Photops I assume each the them just being fragments of the one universe. Mainly because they can’t sustain themselves by themselves.( kisuke said if the soul king dies everything would split into pieces and just fall apart. Not crash into each other as they attempted to become whole again) If they were truly there own universes the soul king wouldn’t actually be necessary for them to actually exist. It would be different if he said without the soul king the worlds would crash into each other. As it would mean he’s just the boundary. Him specifically saying it would collapse implies he is actually maintaining them structurally..As a universe needs to be self sustaining to qualify as such, it never made sense that everyone considered them to be without any solid evidence. This also puts whether or not they are infinite into question as they exist on such a crucial line of balance and the souls need to be balanced for it not to fall apart. If the universe was infinite and expanding wouldnt it be a threat to the balance as eventually the souls of the living would begin to out weight the dead as while some in the afterlife live average lifespans, others live for hundreds of years. More than enough for living souls to flood in and surpass the exces amount
Note: it’s been awhile since I read the manga so I could be off. Im okay with being corrected. Anyway, thanks for the response this has been the best I’ve gotten.
Yap yap yap yap is all I hear saitama planet busts and ichigo dies in space
You realize roul reapers can open portals into other dimensions right? So your dumbass cheap win doesnt even work. Fodder saitama gets folded
Saids he does'nt want to lowball saitama :
Gets rid of saitama's gags abilities that define him as who he is :
Eos ichigo is stronger than beings that can affect the 3 main worlds. Infinite in size and separate time spaces, that alone scales him higher than current Saitama
universal at best but W
Scales him higher than saitama only because saitama doesnt yet have a reason to go higher than galaxy level
But it was stated at the end of the series he will kill god and so he will basically be multiversal at least or stronger than terra 2 saitama which ive heard before in a video
Im letting you slide since you said "current saitama" but i just want to say people who compare characters who arent even near the end game of their story are so annoying
Didn't even get to finish the one punch man series yet and it didnt even get a movie either
The mans not even 3 seasons in yet and people comparing him to people with fully fleshed out animes
Or just animes with houndreds of seasons
There's plenty of reason to think that Saitama is capable of affecting 4D structures, as he completely casually tossed around holes in space time like he's Bugs Bunny and directly punched through a time stream, reversing time and causality. Not that it even matters, since the idea that gaps between dimensionality are infinite/inaccessible is not consistent across fiction. Characters that start out way below planetary can and often do grow over time and with multipliers to reach the levels where they're supposedly able to affect universes. Though even these abilities to affect universes don't always directly correspond to actual strength, especially when those effects are thanks to control over the literal particles that make up the universe. No one would seriously think that Ichigo can lift an infinite amount of weight or punch through an infinitely large and dense object.
But none of it really matters, it shouldn't be too awfully long before Blast or even God directly explain to our faces that higher dimensions are involved, and then we can all stop pretending that Saitama is completely incapable of affecting anything above 3D.
Amazing video. Keep it up
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed.
You should do law vs gojo
Next month most likely!
That actually goes kinda hard.
@NOTarthurboyle laws devil fruit is the perfect counter for the limitless it literally cuts and manipulates space. JJK manga readers should know why that so crucial. His domain expansion is a different story law can’t counter that
@@brace4impact258 Also RCT which heals him so fast I doubt law can end up draining him before dying
Problem is Gojo only died because the space between him and Infinity was expanded, Room doesn't do that, the Opi Opi no Mi works like Sukuna's Domain Expansion which auto-spawns Cleave and Dismantle on opponents but only the space-expanding Dismantle could hurt Gojo. Unless Law can straight up delete space, which is what Sukuna had to do in order to kill Gojo, the Opi Opi no Mi won't work, at least not as efficiently. Tbh, I think in terms of application in battle Malevolent Shrine is better than Room in a 1 on 1 because it is incredibly potent and sure hits if that didn't kill Gojo I don't think Law could, ofc Law outstats Gojo so...On one hand, Law can't delete space, on the other hand, Gojo is too slow for Law.
Saitama scales exponentially above Garou who when he didn’t copy saitama destroyed an hyperspace and an hyperspace has an higher dimension(5D) and the use is for ftl travel and saitama grew exponentially above this person💀
Mistranslation it is actually sub space portal
It's a hyperspace @@Marcuskwok-hn5yi
i dont rlly think that yhwachs plan scaling off a domino effect wouldnt rlly be something coherent, like ik its technically the main goal of yhwach plan but its like if someone destroys the pillar of a house by punching them, he didnt destroyed all the house by punching it but only the pillars, meaning the feat would only be destroying the pilars. atleast thats how i see it
Okay... let's consider your analogy.
Yhwach in this case would break the pillar causing the entire building to fall, and then build a new house with no pillars (no weakness, ie no concept of death).
Creation scales higher in AP than destruction in most cases, so it really doesn't matter.
However, your understanding is wrong as shown in the anime when Ichigo undergoes the Irazusando, it is stated and shown that the soul king literally carries the "weight" of the universe(s) on his shoulders, as shown when Ichigo nearly implodes when said weight is placed on him (be it simulated or real), this proves that indeed, the soul king actually maintains the realms existence. That's the context, which is why without him, the realms get destroyed.
Now, when Ichigo kills the Soul King in one slash (obviously he'd need AP comparable to him to damage him), the world's are nearly destroyed and then Mimihagi pretty much statues the progress (whether you think it scales or it's just hax is up to you), but then Yhwach absorbs both the Reio and Mimihagi... And in doing so, stabilized the worlds once more, meaning Yhwach just existing was shouldering the weight of the realms.
Ichigo would then match him in shikai, horn of salvation and completely overpower him in all futures where he used bankai.
AP-wise he's easily the strongest in the verse as bankai is a 10x amp, so low multiversal if you think the 3 realms only gets him to universal+, 3×10=30 so he'd be considered low multiversal.
He only struggled against Yhwach because he was outhaxed, he killed him twice and just like the Reio, he did so in a single swing of his sword both times when previously Yhwach could tank hits from Fullbring Bankai Ichigo with his body without even needing blut... but yeah, he killed him once while in Shikai, and finally in base after the still arrow took away his Almighty (only that, not his durability or AP).
Basically, even if you downplay Yhwach to solar system level, Ichigo scales to that in base without his shikai horn of salvation and bankai multipliers... at least 30x his base which would be multi solar system.
And if you scale off Gremmy at a lowballed galaxy level, 30x that and you'd have multi-galactic comfortably.
@@revenantronin8377perfectly put
@@revenantronin8377nice explanation he wanted to destroy three worlds add the novels*Gaganta* then it becomes insane
@@revenantronin8377you're taking that's statement hyperliterally. The weight the soul king carries would can also mean just the scale of the responsibility of being the linchpin not actually holding "universes" together. And also didn't you need to be a quincy to use the sword that killed the soul king implying if someone relative to ichigo who is a soul reaper wouldn't be able to do it and also cutting the soul king shouldn't be an ap feat as he sort of sacrificed himself and allowed other to harm him plus he is basically dead to a certain degree already. Who says he is trying to resist? The feat yhawch performed involves removing reio and the world collapse on to themselves returning to their original form . He wasn't going to exactly "build" anything new but just return it to what it was.
@@marcoslightspeed5517 It was explicitly said multiple times that Yhwach was going to erase the realms out of existence. Askin said it to Urahara and Yhwach said it to Ichigo that he is going to erase him alongside all of Soul Society. Also if you take that SK statement as a hyperbole it does not even matter because Ichigo still needed to resist the power of the Soul King which scales above the Bleach cosmology. As said in CFYOW the SK's power "transcends everything"
SK > Bleach Cosmology
From that point on it just depends where you scale the Cosmo at and it is pretty obv that each realm is at the very least a universe lol
It was even said that Yhwach was gonna destroy the Garganta which is infinitely larger than any other realm
That Gremmy feat is too inconsistent to be used it says a vacuum to outer space in the anime while in the manga it just says outer space that’s why imo you use what fits best
8:41 this shows you don’t understand how Saitama’s power works. I’m not going to claim that Saitama is “Outer” or “Boundless” because he’s not, but he definitely possesses infinite strength through non-stop, finite jumps. What level of infinity can his broken limiter get him to? I can’t say for sure. So fair he’s exhibited 4D powers which means his peak could be Uni+ or if there’s a Multiverse in the future, maybe even Multiversal+. But, when God first appears before Garou to give him his powers, God is inperceivable to all other characters present and even Saitama. If God was only a 4D being, he could still be somewhat perceived since the 4th dimension is only a temporal dimension, not spatial and a mere graze of his hand wouldn’t give you knowledge of the flow of all energy in the Universe and it’s forces as well as time travel since that would only be a fraction of his power. It could be argued that God is at least 5D and that EOS Saitama’s power would be at least Low Complex Multiversal. This is just theory at this point.
However, given how Saitama’s power works, it hasn’t had time to grow to such an extent, so giving Ichigo the benefit of the doubt, current Saitama isn’t strong enough but could grow to such powers even in the fight. Anger isn’t his only catalyst to exponential growth, reigniting his passion for battle does this as well. This was heavily alluded to in Saitama dream in episode 1 of OPM and in the Manga where Saitama states that he finally got what he wanted but isn’t happy about it due to Genos’ death. Nevertheless, both caused a Reignition of his fighting spirit, just in the forms of wrath and joy…two sides of the same coin. And that’s what Saitama power is, endless, passive growth over time (with guides stating that as each day goes by, Saitama can one shot himself from yesterday. So he grows stronger even without training), and expentional growth with finite jumps that don’t end.
Saying his infinite strength is mere metaphor is a just straight downplay IMO. We’ve been given plenty of evidence to suggest that it’s literal and not metaphorical throughout the manga, in guide books, and by the artist and author. Just because his limitless strength doesn’t work in an orthodoxical way, doesn’t mean it isn’t infinite.
WhO CoUlD'Ve sEeN ThAt cOmInG?!
That graph shows an exponential increase in Saitama's ability not a doubling each time he catches up
Ain't no fvking way Bleach fans even think Ichigo got a slight chance against Saitama 💀Yall keep using hax to scale their AP/Dura, if a character able to create a dimensional, that's just hax, like Kaguya from Naruto, she can create a whole ass dimensions, but what does her dimension do in a fight exactly? Nothing. And Hax doesn't equals AP or Durability, no matter how many dimensions they could create, if their durability couldn't tank a punch that cracks the building, then they ain't scaling nowhere, not to mention Bleach ain't got a single speed feat that scale ABOVE light speed, not one time it stated any movements in Bleach is FASTER than light, and about the Cero saying to be light, that's just indication of what it looks like, it didn't say it was actually traveling at the speed of light, not just that, there's aiming time before they could even fire the cero, all of the feats you mention is way too high balled lol.
Ichigo destroys you saitama fangirls hyping up the multi galaxy gag character is funny.
Your ass is the reason saitama fans get clowned. The reason people use that kaguya feat is cause she not only created the dimension, she also destroyed it right after. That was the whole fucking point of making it. She made it, trapped naruto inside it, then proceeded to destroy the whole dimension with naruto inside it in an attempt to kill him. Did you think she created it for show? Just because? Cause it looked cool? Yhwach was stated multiple times that he was going to DESTROY all the realms, not just create. Your reading comprehension and common sense isnt too high is it. Also characters have dodged thing multiple times that were literal light, not just described to be like light, light when yhwach's light ability moved all the way from the soul palace to the soul society almost instantly, which is way faster than light given the insane distance between them, and we see multiple characters dodge it who are WAY weaker than ichigo. Uryu all the way back in soul society moved so fast he outsped his own shadow, and that uryu wiuld get completely speed blitzed by literally every character in blood war. Your lowballing is actually insane
@@life-sf1ozichigo isn't planetary
Interesting video, however I don't understand or agree with a few things.
Saitama entered the realm of four dimensions when he achieved the ability to time travel. This involves the integration of the three spatial dimensions (length, width, and height) with the temporal dimension, collectively forming the four-dimensional construct recognized as spacetime.
Contrastingly, Ichigo's traversal through Dangai did not elevate him to a higher-dimensional state. Additionally, initiating this journey required him to abandon his physical form since corporeal bodies are incapable of entering the Soul Society due to their composition of Kishi. Dangai, considered a "higher dimension," exhibits a temporal dilation effect, akin to the characteristics of wormholes, connecting spiritual and material realms while allowing time to progress at a slower rate within its confines.
Therefore, Ichigo remains firmly rooted in the three-dimensional realm and is not categorized as a "higher universal being." When separated from his physical body, he exists purely as (Reishi) Energy. Ichigo cannot influence time, i.e. he cannot be 5, 6, 7 dimensional either.
Episode 1 of the anime shows he only needs a worthy opponent to grow exponentially.
Cosmic Garou was nowhere near to be a worthy opponent,just a little bit stronger than others
it was said that in no paralel universe garou won even if Saitama was holding back
gremmy's feat is kind of wank because it's just hax not ap
His sneeze feat on Jupiter clears anything Ichigo could ever hope to do for all of time. Saitama wins easily, not even close.
@ChiranjibDas-nf6bh Saitama punched Garou so hard they went back in time and reset the whole universe in the manga. The fuck's Ichigo gonna do against that? Getsuga Tenshou?
@@Omnicloudx13let him punch a ghost first before he punch Ichigo
the amount of head cennon in this video is actually insane, bro just asked chat GPT for help. the scale for bleach is too stupid
I use CHATGPT to correct my terrible grammar. Chatgpt is not going to scale for me
@@ToasterXDstill....you are stupid
17:12 i would like to disagree here.If ichigo pushes him hard enough then he would feel extreme excitement like the one he faced in his dream in the first ep.So uk taking away his nest win con by saying it wont happen again is pretty biased i would say.
Your assuming which is biased
Not saying i diagree witg ur conclusion but saying saitama wouldnt grow at all is just an infactual statement as not only have you clearly shown that you understand that he grows by emotions which btw would include the following: happiness,excitement,anxious,prideful,frustrated, etc which all could come from Saitama not one shotting ichigo or if somehow he was losing which by a feat stand point makes sense Saitama loses as his entire series is more about the people around him then himself, although excluding goku and others i feel like when it comes down to it from a biased standpoint i think saitama would fold them keep in mind i said biased standpoint as feats are kinda weird considering how short of a time frame opm has been out compared to these other ones and how long he actually trained for. As in my opinion he is the only character to train for only 3 years and be considered to fight ppl who trained almost there entire story which should be a feat in on itself. Again ichigo solos if you go by feats and saitama could possibly grow if he feels like it.
I agree that he would grow
But his exponential growth doesn't help if an opponent just 1 taps him
@shudeepta This is assuming he gets 1 tapped as Saitama has never been 1 tapped by any character in his series not even one's stronger than him in his dreams while ichigo has been shown to be blitzed and also blitzes ppl in his Manga. So and if one himself says he think Saitama could have an interesting fight with goku who is leagues above ichigo then I think he would only get one shot if you apply maybe unfair feats to the logic. Again one thing ppl forget is the amount of time in which both series even show there characters progression
@YTDARKEXE saitama has never gotten 1 shot by people in his manga cause he scales significantly higher than him
Also nobody with any scaling knowledge scales saitama even remotely near goku now
@shudeepta So know the creator of their own characters don't know how well there characters could do against other characters. I guess one and Murata are unable to read dragon ball super so they must not know how there own character would do dang. Again Saitama would only get one shotted if you use unfair power scaling of feats which is the same issue with goku vs Saitama as feats don't care about how the characters would be portrayed nor characters progression. If you ask y it's unfair need I remind you the amount of training each character has done and amount of screen time they had by themselves
@YTDARKEXE 💀💀💀
What are you saying????
Bro his strongest enemy is cosmic garou who is not even galaxy while saitama is galaxy to multi galaxy ofc he gonna not get 1 tapped
That's like saying yhwach solos anime as he can just rewrite his death over and over
Ichigo part is mostly headcanon power and speed. Nowhere the higher dimension and 4th dimension mentioned in bleach. It's just assumption.
The fastest captain in bleach was said to gin who was mach500.
Whereas the only thing headcanon in Saitama case is infinite strength. Saitama literally kicked off hyperspace on panel.
Saitama stomp.
1 Ichigo having the power to damage yhwach is headcanon?
2 gin's lying
Do you even know what headcanon means?
That “hyperspace” was a gate to the 4th dimension not the 4th dimension it’s like saying someone who breaks the front door to a house destroyed the actual house
@@DRASERUSand how would that scale him 😂
@@gokusama4445 wdym?
yo off topic kinda but i just watched another calc for future goku or 10 year time skip goku and he was scaled above arale making a 6D+ or even higher calc idk i found the scale kinda interesting also love your channel hope you get 50k soon (it was a seth calc btw)
That depends on WHICH Goku. Xeno and CC Goku already scales to infinite 5D. So it's no debate that those two would be 6D+ after a timeskip.
But super Goku is nowhere close pretty much, even in the manga. Blud got one shotted by black frieza and the best thing he did was defeat Moro, who scales to atleast multi-universal.
Seth's head cannon? 😂 I mean, he clearly states that it's just a headcannon of his.
@@quidaledingle8821multi universal isn’t a scale. It goes from universal - universal+ to Multiversal.
@NOTarthurboylehe used statements from Toriyama right when he wrote end of Z about Goku being the strongest of all time when Arale is in the verse.
@@SimplyHawa i forgot the name. Yeah i meant universal+
I love how Bleach fans will argue on their knees trying to prove world = universe and not just...world lmao
Its said that the soul society mirrors our universe, so its just the exact same like how we are just soul society
Because its true cannonized in the Cant fear our own world Novel series 3 different universes
There still more evidence if you want that too but you're probably wouldn't wanna hear it because either way he wins against saitama.
@@ReughTheMushroom34 No, it's said that SS mirrors the *World* of the Living, not the universe. Don't lie.
@@kevinbaumhoer7359 i've read all three volumes of the novel. It is *NEVER* stated or implied that the 3 worlds are 3 universes. Matter of fact, it's heavily implied that the 3 worlds are planets that exist in one universe.
Nice vids waiting for Archie sonic vs medaka
Ichigo needs fate hax or he's screwed if Saitama grows fast enough.
Ichigo slams he is way faster also
Im an absolute bleach FIEND/weebu. You wont find a bigger fan...but they made caped bald boy limitless. Thers no actual way to hurt him fr
Can you scale TERA 2 Sitmama? He clears ichigo and most forms of goku
terra 2 saitama is fake. its fan made
Love seeing the glazing in these bleach fanboys. Theyre literally arguing with a wall
Says the the saitama fanboy
@@life-sf1oz someone's mad 😂
@@quindalle8147 Not really but you seem to be the mad one though
@@life-sf1oz I'm fuming so hard I can't hold myself together
Indeed, the saitama fanboys are like brick walls
Very good video ❤️
Will you ever do comp goku vs vomp superman
Comp Superman slams because of CAS Superman who can easily slam the dbz verse
I can't hear anyone say "Kagurabachi" unironically now without laughing
Ichigo isn’t 4D, Saitama having limitless potential doesn’t mean he doesn’t have infinite power. There’s levels to infinity after all.
Saying ichigo isnt 4d without proof is just empty words when there are multiple feats and statements
@@_B4nk there no proof he is, otherwise there wouldn’t be another Ichigo in every timeline.
@@_B4nkif ichigo was 4D than in his fight with aizen he wouldn’t be blowing the tops of mountains off he would be blowing planets away or solar systems or even galaxies 🤦♂️ power stacking is cringe, if we gave baryon mode Naruto power stacking than nuclear fusion which is what baryon mode is, is calced to at least a 500 million times amp on top of his solar AP and ftl scaling making him outer but he def isn’t 😂😂 and if we give saitama power stacking he’s infinite meaning he’s stronger than any dimensional tier of power.
@@NathanHager-o6j theres many feats to say that ichigo is 4D especially cour 4 of TYBW where you will visually see I can go on a whole rant on how ichigo is 4d
@@_B4nkIchigo goku they never showed 4D feats
Saitama didn’t stand on business!
“Saitamas speed is based via calcs” like bro😂 ichigos speed was LITERALLY based on baseless suppositions and calcs “35 million times faster than light” sure
Like seriously you made an assumption that ceros are light speed worded the explanation of bankai differently in order to artificially conflate numbers and excluded multiple statements implanted by the AUTHOR like gins bankai and then you ramble about “authors intent” when trying to validate a claim, and just overall assumed shit, than say saitamas speeds is based on”calcs” after doing all that?! Hypocritical
This dude is biased
@@LolitaAbegonia yeah it’s pretty blatant.
I think he drank bleach in real life 😂
@@djsahilking3807 😂😂😂
Hey, I thought it would be fun if you do a 1v1 video with The Painkiller from Judas Priest's song. He's calced to easily have stronger AP than an atom bomb in the lyrics. Hope you see this and have a great day Toaster!
Another point for gremmy making outer space. Many of the “stars” we see in the night sky are actually Galaxies far AF away.
Portal he didn't make shit ! Like think he needed 1 clone to make a meteor that can destroy a country so 5 clone gets him 7 imagination boost so he continental not galaxy level like wft
@@powerscallingfiendlol
Saitama also damaged phoenix man’s pocket dimension without trying. Also saitama has broken the 4th wall and instantly becomes stronger than his opponent after one punch or a extreme emotion and that includes extreme boredom and he is always bored also also seirous moves are just saitama trying a tiny more than usual.(saitama said “I didn’t even try” when using serious side hops against sonic)
Hmm ichigo destroyed a pocket dimension by simply transforming tho
@@nkosinathisibiya600was that pocket dimension infinite in size?
@@Vergil0168 eh when did that happen,chapter number??
@@Vergil0168Phoniex dimension is infinite 💀 r u on high or what
@@nkosinathisibiya600 im asking you lmao, dont you see the question mark at the end?
Toaster while watching the OPM fans typing paragraphs: 🍷🗿
The evidence is straight up ass, Saitama's power wouldn't apply to other Universes? Logic does not apply to Saitama no matter what, he's been shown to break through pocket dimensions just by hearing that, he's been able to time travel with ease, my guy has even been able to look at the back of his head!. Saitama can literally do anything if he wanted to, due to anime logic/logic not applying to him in general. Not to mention, he still didn't take damage from Cosmic Garou, despite the guy being a galaxy level threat, to where him and Saitama wiped out tons of stars and planets during their serious punch collision. If you think about it, Saitama's gag is his power and if you want a fight with him, his power will follow, no matter what anime verse he's in, that logic won't apply to him, due to his limiter being literally broken, to where he literally has no limits in every way possible. Not to mention, he wasn't growing strong just because he was mad, the adrenaline from the fight was pushing him beyond his opponent, so like, if he fought Ichigo, my man would surpass him in no time, and none of Ichigo's attacks would work on him. Funny enough, Saitama still hasn't shown us his full power, with the fact that he was still holding back in that broken fight with Garou.
Good video but there is a small problem you cannot calculate Fullbring Ichigo from Dangai Ichigo. Dangai Ichigo is way above Fullbring with Fullbring being closer to Vasto Lorde in power. As Dangai Ichigo is transcendent unlike any of his other forms until True Shikai. But still Ichigo is MFTL.
After years and years he posted
More like 3 days 😅
If we are realky talking about gag powers then Gintoki from gintama solos anime verse. Gintoki unlike saitama can actually go into his gag form at will. Gintoki tought the author how to write manga. Thats far greater than ichigo or saitama has shown.
I mean , in the recent chapters , saitama literally states himself it took him 3 panels to find the one eyed monster
Unless murata is writting the battle gag doesnt really apply to scaling@@Cope690
Gintoki with Mugetsu one shots Saitama
I think the video was done really well with the scaling and explanation of both characters. Incukding not kiwvalling ichigo scaling to planetary at end of the series. Speed scaling with his multipliers was good and nade sense
I swear bleach power scaling is so conjecture based and contingent on opinionated claims.
Bankai is a 5 to 10 times combat ability increase, the statement within itself is inherently vague as a increase in combat ability doesn’t pertain to stats but literally what it means “ability” we know this to be the case as other captains don’t get an increase in stats but gain a new ability that aids them in battle subsequently giving them in edged in battle you completely misconstrued and editorialised what was said to ascertain a different meaning
Also the cero statements referring it to light doesn’t mean it’s light speed there is literally no commonality between them. I find it funny how other anime have to operate under the paradigm that just because something is “light” doesn’t make it light speed except bleach. Naruto,one piece and dragon ball all have this. I doubt people would agree with 22 budokai light speed goku lol. Also with author intent almost every description pertaining to the charicturs of soul society is a structure or planet. The seritai is stated to be on soul society in the middle of it(world tour guide among other guid books) its also described as having(or alluded to) an atmosphere and water source, same with the huako mendo with an atmosphere filled with reishi.
Also gins bankai if Mach 500 destroys any speed meta.
Yeah Saitama via scale from the shockwave with his punch with Garou get around 1,3 billions time the speed of light at the lowball , Ichigo at most is hundred of time via yhwach scaling (this is extremely high balling Ichigo) , but Ichigo win condition isn't about better physical prowess (While they are relatively the same for now , both are at Solar Systems but Saitama could be argue for Multi Solar system , they havent reach their full potential yet , depend on how the anime go , Ichigo could get significantly stronger due to Shenjumaru upscalling the verse while Saitama could grow more to fight God) Ichigo will win because of his passive reiatsu flow , which could crush Saitama's soul (Saitama has never shown a feat of resisting soul attack as powerfull as like .. anything in bleach ) Reiatsu have the properties of Existence Erasure (Yeah this one clear the entier verse of Saitama alone with the maybe exception being god living in another dimension) , Fear Manipulation , Paralyse , power Null . So while Saitama is stronger , faster and have way more potential and could get much stronger during battle , he will still absolutely be no dif (quite literally no dif , Ichigo just stand there and Saitama die) by Ichigo
Yea the bleach glazing is crazy
Gin's bankai speed was stated to be lie confirmed in the databook and mach 500 wasn't stated in the anime/manga.
@@LuffyDGoat …..it was. Gin specifically had asked ichigo if he heard that after clapping his hand in reference to sound and than said “it’s 500 times that” pretty conclusive if you ask me. And the guide book’s recapitulate and build upon what he had mentioned in reference to his Bankais speed, so he either lied to aizen and not ichigo or he lied to both and gins bankai is slower than Mach 500.
@@AilonZenget it didn't specifically stated "mach 500" that's just headcanon to downplay the speed in the verse. Well the speed is a lie(databook) i dont you can use this to scale bleach. There's also a databook where gin and toshiro stated to move at the speed of light.
I think you can argue this one of two ways. Either the Bleach universal meta is legit and Ichigo stomps, or you go by the planetary meta and Saitama stomps.
Why would you purposely low ball bleach tho? The statements are very clear
@@VVooshbait it’s really not clear. Bleach has a crazy amount of anti feats. Gremmy’s country level meteor made Jugram fearful for Yhwach. The anime seems to be giving new feats, so maybe universe level will become more clear when the anime finishes.
@@weeaboo-warriorthe meteor is able to destroy seritertie or something like that it not soul socity and can you make it more clear about jugram thing?
@@kapil9682 Jugram was saying something like they needed to protect his majesty when he saw the meteor. And yeah, the meteor was going to destroy the seireitei, which is country sized.
@@weeaboo-warriorthe anime actually removed that scene.
Video Idea: Could the S class heros stop a vilturmite invasion troop before saitama would need to step in?
Intepret that as you will lol
saitama>ichigo>boros
Wouldnt saitama just get soul crushed
This has got to be the most overhyped Bleach scaling I've ever seen. Completely devoid of feats, author statement and context. Based completely on literal amp scaling via math, which we know for a fact is not how mangakas power scale their characters. Bleach has innumerable obvious feats and statements that contradict this line of scaling. Zommari, confirmed to be the fastest Arrancar, scaling to base Byakuya. By your calc, he should be like 100 000 times faster or something. Ichigo scaling to Yhwach somehow even though Yhwach is using HAX for his feats, not speed or strength. It's all illiterate, overblown nonsense.
Alr yea this guy sucks ass at scaling bleach here is a better one th-cam.com/users/shortsCjW14u6Jl9U?si=octT6ACxDdhkdf45
"wanking" also links a video of ichigo being multiversal 😂. Bro ichigo is universal at best, just because he killed yhwach doesnt scale him to yhwach. he only won because yhwachs allmighty stopped working, he got perception blitzed due to a silver arrow and aizens Kyoka shigetsu affecting all of his 5 senses, seeing aizen as ichigo.
@@TheManUnderTheSununiversal seems fitting imo.
@@TheManUnderTheSunhe kinda does, at least in ap. They can't damage someone who has vastly more sp than them
@@DRASERUS well, that's how the power system works in bleach. You have to match the opponents spiritual energy in order to actually damage them, but I still don't think Ichigo is multi, more like uni.
We also forget that Ichigo will be attacking on a spiritual level. Saitama has never encountered this type of power. Physical durability seems useless in this scenario imo. Unless the opm man fan base starts claiming his soul is invulnerability as well.
keep saying nonsense 😂
If the disruption of the flow of the universe causes a domino effect that will destroy the universe, that’s not truly possessing Uni+ levels of power. That’s seems more equivalent to some pressing a button to launch a nuke, than buuhan collapsing dimensions on eachother. A Butterfly Effect , just on a grand scale. The DC would be Uni+, not the AP, but that only because of the way the cosmology is structured in bleach. If what you’re saying is true, this wouldn’t apply to any other cosmology. Even then, the DC doesn’t express his true DC outside of attacking a weak point.
ngl as a bleach fan saitama negs imo
Why do you think saitama negs
Wait what? So you don’t think Saitama fighting someone stronger than him (which is something he desires) would be enough to spark his growth?? Also how does not being a gag character not apply outside the verse the character is in? When did that become a rule of vs? The bases of Saitamas entire character is that he can end a fight in one punch.
No, I don’t think it would. Not to mention, you’d have to prove his growth could literally transcend higher dimensional differences in power. His gag doesn’t apply to other verses because it was something created for the intended verse. It’s like saying Ichigo would beat Saitama because Ichigo is **the main character**. It just doesn’t work and Saitama clearly doesn’t end every fight in one punch, that was made abundantly clear.
@@ToasterXDwhat do you think of him grabbing the portals?
Hyperspace has different meanings based on the media. In OPM, the hypergates are literally portals to fast travel, similar to Star Wars or the portals in Stranger Things. In Bleach they are literally higher dimensions. They don’t have the same meaning as so they don’t apply to both the same way.
@@ToasterXD well people can just say "reishi a bleach verse thing so no one with reishi auto lose because they have no reishi even superman since he has no reishi/reiatsu" tbh that was stupid because almost no series i can think have actual crossovers besides op,dbz,and toriko with each other so you have even tougher to prove so and so verse abilities work outside of their verse.
@@halojeff15there’s something called verse equalization for a reason.
I think you’re wrong about saitama not being able to grow unless he has something like genos death to drive him it has been said many times that he longs for a real fight and as you can see in the subterranean dream that drive for him to be in a exciting fight where he is pushed to his limits furthers his power.
Saitama is just a weaker Kenpachi
@@shugo5130barely survived space
not even cosmic garou was somehow "real fight" which endangered Saitama
it was said that "god" gave Garou powers in every single paralel universe and even if Saitama was holding back,theres no way he could lose to Garou
Let me guess, didn’t carefully listen to what he said did you?
@@ibrahimahm3d eyepatch still on.
No matter how strong and fast Ichigo gets Saitama will get to that level and surpass it and Saitama has infinite stamina ( and Saitama is invincible so Ichigo won't get a single scratch on Saitama so the winner is pretty much clear )
Not when you kill him quick....
@@DRASERUS Saitama doesn't need to kill him he'll probably be tired by attacking Saitama and realizing the power and limits difference
@@kanviniyam Saitama get so weak he get damage by cat...... there's also questionable stuff like can Saitama even see ichigo. What difference? peak showcase, Saitama scales below ichigo.
Did saitama even get wounded? I mean if not how can we know that saitama can even die? I mean if garou was at the same lvl or slightly higher at the beginning and saitama took no damage how will he take damage at all?
Didn't Saitama grab a portal which is 4th or 5th dimensional power
It is this guys being bias 🤦♂️ and saitama has moved at over a billion times faster than the speed of light 🤦♂️ this guy has no scale saitama is 4D 5D you can scale higher but it’s debatable ichigo gets absolutely slammed because saitama speed blitz
@@Vitalisy100cant speedblitz when u get insta vaporized
@@VVooshbait how is he gon Hit something He CANT touch also saitama has Never not once gotten hurt😂Even by his own power LOL
@@Vitalisy100soul is different thing spritual pressure will send you out of existence how the fuck you ignoring it it has nothing to do with speed and saitama shows no sign of soul resistance and even opm manga authour said in mob psyco (same authour) that soul power and psychic power are different so the tatsumaki thing will not save saitama he is dead man
@@kapil9682 You just used a other Animes author 💀🙏But for your sake I’ll agree to and teach you how fast this dude saitama would smoke that pack saitama moved so fast he opened a dimensional plain that isn’t accessible but he did it with shear speed trying to attack someone(not the cosmic garou fight this was before hand) while The Soul is said to be on a dimensional plain saitama can definitely move fast enough to open a gate to that Soul And Hit it And shatter it to pieces And saitama dimensionality compared to his Soul take is enough for his durability to be comparable to his soul which would give him his durability which would be incredibly difficult to Break also i think ur also forgetting that verse equalization would happen Here And give saitama Even more of a Chance also the bar Graph showed during The saitama vs garou fight proved thst saitamas power multiplied by thousands from its starting point if u take it at face value u can get saitama to multiversal with just simple Math And those Soul STRIKES WOULDNT Even matter BECAUSE SAITAMA DIMENSIONAL PLAIN IS HIGHER LOL
How much do you want to overhype a fodder verse like bleach?: Yes
😂😂😂ichigo is so overhyped I can't take bleach fan seriously
You making me laugh guys.
That's what happened when you drink too much bleach 😭
The opm verse is the overhyped fodder verse the mf scale saitama and garou to Complex Multi my guy
glad you used that infinite scan for saitama to say the least, but i dont like how you made it seem like it's inaccurate to the normies by saying that saitama growing in power contradicts it in any sense, we would have to apply that same logic to broly from db super who also grows exponentially (or really a lot of the cast) and he also has at least 4D levels of power, which should also be in the realm of infinity, but him growing doesnt contradict anything.
and that would also be an appeal to reality for all intents and purposes
Infinite potential is nothing I have an issue with when it comes to the scan, it’s the fact that people think it’s referring to infinite power outright when that’s clearly not the case.
@@ToasterXD A lot of the time, characters in fiction don't straight up have the feats to back up their statements, which leads many to dismiss it as just hyperboles, but I do think OPM has at least 1 feat, depending on how you interpret it, which could support the "infinite strength" notion for the top tiers within OPM. The feat I'm referring to is where Garou envelops himself within a black hole to replicate a gamma ray burst. Now, why is it impressive? Black holes have an infinitely small point at their center, a point of infinite heat, infinite density, and infinite pressure called a singularity. Anything in the universe approaching the singularity would get obliterated, yet Garou was withstanding it.
And with so many infinite power statements in this series, i think its a waste to just dismiss all of them, the feat i mentioned at least gives those some credence.
@@4nnd711infinite power even if taken as literal will scale him to Uni + so he is still Ichigo victim
@@ToasterXDit's "unlimited potential" which is close to the same. Either way Saitama slams
@@Saint.Topmanichigo doesn't come close to universe level +
How about Stars and Stripes vs Azashiro? Could be interesting imo
Good video toaster appreciate the hardwork you do ❤
I appreciate it!
@ToasterXD no problem, I see the comments you get, and there really wrong you're always biased on both characters you scale and respectful to them so ignore those haters 😉
the amount of opm fangirl cope is palatable lmfao
Bleach fanboys are some of the most delusional fans ever
@@AJ-ry8qd you saitama fans been losing alot lately in versus battles so you guys need to cope.
@@life-sf1ozthey on the point where they include cover page as a feat 💀