False what you said about the Jazz, who reached the finals only because of the old age of their opponents, when they were among the most veteran, Payton was 10 years younger than Stockton at that time 🤣
The Payton one I didn't get either, he was in his physical prime during the Bulls 3 Peat. Maybe he's talking about the fall off of Seattle like with Shawn Kemp but idk, that was a bad reason 🤷
@@ericdupree8603 Payton was in his prime for the first three peat and a little before that. Kemp fell off cuz he gained too much weight for athletically gifted talent like himself.
@@ericdupree8603 Payton was still good and wasn't declining and they had a good roster including kemp in 97. In 98 they faced the spurs and Lakers also the rockets big 3 drexler hakeem Barkley
Your take on Stockton is all wrong. The Jazz destroyed Kobe and Shaq two years in a row in the playoffs and they were a very young team. Stockton should be higher than Kidd and definitely higher than Nash . What did Nash ever accomplish?
@@squashua7222 Yes, in a league where Nash put up Stockton like numbers and won back 2 to back MVPs. Stockton was putting up better numbers than Nash in his best years, but because he faced better MVP contenders, had Karl Malone on his team, he was never in the MVP race. Nash's only competition at MVP those two years was an aging Shaq who was a 2nd fiddle on a Heat squad tbh, and Kobe's best scoring years on a struggling Lakers squad. Stockton had to face greater competition, and had Malone on his team to take away his points. If we put Nash in the 80s or 90s, does he even sniff MVP? Lol let's be real. Nash won 2 MVPs at the perfect time to win them for a guy putting up his numbers.
No awards no matter personal or team,lots of data but no championship just overrated when somebody says he is underrated,actually top10 pg is enough for him
Stockton… 10th? By far the leading player all-time in assists AND steals. And your age argument just doesn’t make any sense, Shawn Kemp was in the middle of his prime in his late 20s when the Jazz made those finals, and Stockton + Malone were just as old (in fact slightly older) than the Rockets big 3. Stockton was not an elite scorer but he was extremely efficient and one of the best defenders in the NBA at his position.
The age argument doesn’t make sense in any sport or any era of sports. A team can only play who they have in front of them, it’s not their fault if a team decides to have an aging\older roster…The entire point is to build your roster with the players that you think will give you the best chance to win, and if their strategy worked why are they being knocked for it?…
I would put Stockton top 5. He was durable AF, all time leader in steals AND assists, 2 NBA Finals appearances when the Sonics, Rockets, etc had more athletic and talented teams, and even though he wasn't scoring like crazy, look at his efficiency, someone like Russ Westbrook is putting up a lot more shots and playing for numbers but is often shooting nearly 10% lower at an efficiency standpoint while his teams almost always underacheive, I would take Stockton any day.
I think it's hard to compare pgs more than any position becuz the position has evolved. We have steph curry pulling from the logo we got 6ft3 athletic freaks in Russell westbrook we got a 6ft8 pg in luka
@@kabirchohan335881462 Lebron is contantly handling the ball, they sort of don't need a traditional PG, I think that is a big part of the problem with Westbrook, he and Lebron do similar things, but Lebron does it better.
@@haadtheevision Nash got two MVP's bc Kobe was accused of rape and the league didn't want the bad press. Yes, Nash had some great years, but MVP's are often popularity contests.
@@hepwo91222 No they’re not. Name 1 time where someone was actually robbed for MVP. It has always gone to the best player on one of the best teams in the league who’s also having the best season.
@@haadtheevision Nash 2 MVP's for starters. Bird was the runner up a few times where he could have won it, he did win 3 but he was the runner up like 4 times.
You said Stockton never had any team/individual accomplishments when he’s literally the all time leader in 2 stats and has 2 finals appearances BUT then you put Chris Paul who is way less accomplished 5 spots higher than him. Make it make sense man.
If you were to compare Stockton to Westbrook or Kidd, I’d understand but Stockton is not better than CP3. Chris Paul has made any team he’s been on a contender for the championship. Stockton’s 2 finals appearances doesn’t matter much.
@@allforbreezy5755 cp3 made his team a contender but yet only reached the finals once in his 15th year and he wasnt even their best player in the playoffs, it was dbook.(love cp3 but gotta say stockton is better)
Bob Cousy was an 8x assist champion, 1x mvp, 6x champ, 13x all star, 12x all nba teams and he's not mentioned here smh. He was the first best pg in league history for a decade and a half in the 1950s to 1960s
@@anthonyyasona8237 He’s was on the Celtics with bill russell bro, he wasn’t even the best on his team. you didn’t watch bro play so idk why u care. bro wasn’t even the best or second best pg of his era and his era was one of the worst ones. And combine that with his numbers being dogshit? yea fuck no
@@YungMustard they dribbled one hand because of the rules in the 60s and how was the compettion worse. If that`s ur logic. then why did u include jerry west and oscar in ur list since they played in the same era as cousy was. didn`t know a era that had Oscar, west, Walt frazier, jojo white, paul arzin, KC jones and hal geer, lenny wilikins , dave bing was considered weak ?
Idk how this list doesn't have Bob Cousy. He has an MVP and 6 titles. Elite playmaker and leader. Not sure what he was supposed to do to make it on this list.
but then again he played in the 50s against far worse competition. now i know there's nothing that he could do about that, but unfortunately that's just the way it is
Because accolades don’t trump actual skill. And this is the most stacked position in the last 20 years. The game keeps growing, but I freaky want you to say bob deserves to be over someone like dame Westbrook or cp3
The age argument for the West, against Stockton an Malone doesn't make sense cause they were both in their mid 30s during the back to back finals appearances
@@mazza3571 probably not tbh Russ just dosent play well with other great players. Cp3 biggest problem is probably his injury history tho he didn't play well in the bucks series
@@saibotshawdow5090 thats not true, kd won a mvp with russ, pg had his only real chance at mvp with russ, and harden averaged the most pts he ever had in his career w/ russ. russ problem is decision making
I always find CP3 over Stockton to be one of the stupidest rankings in the NBA because all the criticisms put against Stockton apply to CP3 yet Stockton has unbreakable records and helped lead his team to the finals
Facts Stockon multiple finals apparence and elevated his team leads assist and steals people just don't like he doesn't shoot enough but when he did he was efficient
Jason Kidd tooo low brah 😂😂😂 you contradict yourself with the mvp statement …. Jason Kidd finished top 3 in mvp voting TWICE and took the nets to the finals TWICE
@@kirkiedakingpin Chris Paul was 2nd and probably should of won MVP over Kobe there a reason that trade got veto Chris Paul a much better player then both of them
@@saibotshawdow5090 both in their primes I would take Stockton over Cp3 all day. Chris Paul is Phenomenal but Stockton was just better man. If you gave Stockton to Blake Griffin and Paul to Malone. The Clippers would have at least made one final by now
1. Magic 2. Curry 3. IT 4. Oscar (big numbers) 5. Stockton (you need to watch more tapes, most accurate passer ever) 6. Kidd (best passer except magic & great defender) 7. Payton (best defender) 8. Westbrook (0 defence, most athletic, actually more clutch than he is given credit for) 9. CP3 (choke god) 10. Nash (0 defence) And I consider Jerry West a shooting guard.
U don’t win games just by shooting 3s that’s like saying steph curry is the best player ever and we ALL know that’s not true he’s a great no doubt but basketball has more to it then just 3s and 29% really isn’t even THAT bad the avg NBA 3pt percentage is about 35% and for Westbrook it isn’t bad he’s not a know shooter but has one bad season n all of a sudden he’s trash lol mans averaged a triple double literally last season
"Triple double king, gotta put some respect on that" is a hilarious statement after just casually handwaving away the fact that Stockton holds 2 NBA all-time records that will never be broken. This list is trash, seeped with regency bias and a preposterous amount of personal preference.
your only looking at his resume i assume? that will fool anyone into believing he is a top 10 pg. russ far exceeds stockton in talent, accolades & impact…
@@NewAgeSlaves russ has made it to the finals, wcf multiple times in a TOUGH western conference. and actually played well when he got there. plus his impact on the game with his triple doubles, energy and passion. stockton could never…
@@shanerobinson925 Malone who was fed Stockton's passes won MVP which is what a point guard is supposed to do. Point guards didn't win MVPs back then Gary Payton was way better than Westbrook and never sniffed an MVP either.
Yeah, the Rockets and Sonics were still good teams when the Jazz got to the FInals. Jazz had a starting 5 of Stockton, Hornacek, Russell, Malone, and Ostertag. Beating teams with Hakeem, Drexler, Barkley on the Rockets and Payton/Kemp on the Sonics. Rockets and SOnics had deeper better teams overall too. Jazz played that pick and roll to perfection with Stockton as the maestro.
Dude you wildin you have Cp3 above jason Kidd and John Stockton. And you have Cp3 there for longevity. Stockton played 19 seasons with great health leads the league in all time assist and steals and you have him 10th.
Stockton wasn’t flashy at all which is prob the reason he’s so underrated but the guy only missed 22 games in his whole career.. he should have been higher on the list
Playing every game doesn't make you a top 5 player at his position. It just means that you were probably gonna be at work that day. There's probably some person at your job that doesn't do anything special at all. They come in a little early. Get set up to work. Do they job. Go home. The end. Outside of never missing a shift, they really don't do anything extraordinary. They are always at work to help out when your extraordinary ppl call in sick tho
@@mchild80 Stockton was also efficient AF, far more than almost anyone on this list, also all time leader in assists AND steals are two very significant records.
So basically Stockton is the employee that works everyday, but was never good enough to be Employee of the Month or best worker in the company At zero times in his career, he was considered a top 5 player or the best at his position. He was an above average player who played for 20 years while having an all time great on his team for 20 years.
@@mchild80 9 seasons in a row Stockton lead the NBA in assists, but he was never the best PG In the league? Were you alive in the 80's or 90's? Also in a few of them he averaged over 14 assists per game for entire seasons!
Ok so by your reasoning, Russell Westbrook has been the best PG over the past 5 years since he led the league in assists over that span. While also giving you double the points and triple the rebounds and not having an all time great get 75% of your passes. So again when was Stockton the best?
I agree Stockton should be higher. I would put him ahead of Kidd, probably Chris Paul too...probably? His durability, records in steals and assists do it for me. He was a pure point guard in my opinion. Not the best mind you, just pure. There's a reason they put him in the Olympics.
Steve Nash’s owner literally knew the nba was gonna change rules in a way that would be beneficial to a Dantoni system a year or two b4 it happened I can barley respect that bc they basically had a heads up
How about you take time to actually watch Jerry West highlights and interviews he clearly states that he played shooting guard for most of his career. He was a 6'5 shooting guard who didn't start playing the point until the 1971 season when Gail Goodrich became more of the focal point of the offense.
@@haadtheevision hate to break it to you but players arent the ones who decide what positions they play, West can claim whatever he wants he was still a PG in all but 2 seasons
Curry is a tough one for me, he is more like one of the best players listed as PG than a true PG, if that makes sense. Where most traditional PG's are pass first distribute the ball and set the table for the team type of player, Curry is like a beast of a SG that is listed as a PG. Not knocking him or the results since he has the MVP's and titles and stats, but as far as how to play PG, Curry is not the protypical type of player.
I literally do not understand why so many people hate on John Stockton. 5 years ago, it's pretty much consensus that he's a top 5 point guard ever. Now everyone's like "He was never the best player on his team" like Scottie Pippen doesn't exist or "He only has those stats because he played for a very long time" like Kareem didn't get his 38,387 points because he played basically the same amount of time. Seriously though, just because a guy is white and can't jump off the roof doesn't mean he's not as great as the athletically gifted ones. Stockton is *the* model of consistency in the sport and you can argue that he's the greatest ever at the two primary things that a point guard should do: facilitate on offense and serve as the first line of defense. Gary Payton, arguably the greatest defensive guard of all-time, said that it was tougher to guard Stockton than Michael Jordan, because, to paraphrase what he said, "When MJ has the ball in his hands, he can score 30, but when Stockton has the ball in his hands, everyone can score 30".
I would swap Westbrook and Stockton. If it wasn't for MJ, Stockton might have a couple of rings. He was a true floor general and read and controlled the game. Westbrook filled the box score and plays with so much heart. But I"m not sure his play equates to helping a team win.
Y’all seem to overlook before 1997 the jazz choked a lot and underachieved it wasn’t just the bulls who prevented them from winning even when Jordan was out of the league in 1994-95 they had their chance but blew a 2-1 lead vs Houston
Westbrook is 3rd leader in turnovers all time. Poor ball handler, moving the bottom 80% in efficiency combined with a high usage rate. Its why his triple doubles are looked at as stat padding. He played the game so badly, that in order to get triple doubles, he had to steal rebounds from his own teammates and had to get 5/17 shots - 8/25 to score double figures consistently. He made the team worse and did not play winning basketball. He was a disease for any team he was on. No one wanted him and is why everyone traded him first chance they got. He never improved on any fundamental skills because the league coddled him and excused his lack of fundamentals.
How could you judge Stockton as a low tier pg and put Westbrook and nash like that when the jazz played legendary competition and all time great teams in the 80s he has assists averages records and career assists records you judging players you being bias with pgs you watch over the actual greats of the position
Nash win his mvps when the league stop hand checking in the 04-05 season that’s when he was dominant and even him at his best he wasn’t close to Stockton. Cause nothing Nash did could top the game winning shot Stockton hit to send the jazz to the finals against the rockets
You think Westbrook, CP3 is better than Stockton, Nash, Kidd. You are delusional dude. Even westbrook cant agree with this. If we put this list randomize it would more accurate.
rings so important yet nash ahead of stockton? if you ever seen how easy that man made the game you'd be givin nash a participation trophy for trying to emulate him
Nah sorry... You can't use an argument for one player being lower on the list but totally ignore it when talking about other players on the list. Should have turned the video off when you put Stockton at 10..
Stockton may not be Top 5, but putting the alltime leader in assists and steals at No. 10 is still a bit harsh. Also - it's not the Jazz fault that they went to face the GOAT twice in the finals. These Jazz teams could have beaten a lot of other NBA Champions. Sometimes you cannot just look at the numbers or results - you have to see them in context. Stockton is still a better player than Kidd (also defensively), Westbrook (who doesn't even belong in this list - he is too much of an empty stats guy, just look at advanced metrics and those playoff losses you mentioned). Also Cousy has to be Top 10. You just cannot left him off just because he played in the early ages of basketball. He has proven SO MUCH more than guys like Kidd and especially Westbrook and even Paul (also I can understand putting Paul above Cousy). He should at least be like No. 7 or 8.
Stockton is easily underrated cuz people like rusty and legend of winning convinced the community that Stockton was overrated by bringing up false narratives. Like the myth he was a system player or some playoff choker.
It's quite funny how u put russ as a top 7 PG when u mentioned he was overrated because of the way he was ranked in all time list and what he did this season also in ur past videos but ur overrating russ now😂🤣. No offense btw but he's nowhere near as a 7th all time or is better then nash.
Stockton is 3rd among PGs in career Box Plus Minus after Magic and CP3 and 8th all-time overall. Putting him 10th is absolutely wrong, once again just proves how underrated Stockton became lately.
John Stockton: All time assist leader, all time steal leader, 55/4800 NBA players in points all time, two finals appearances, played 19 seaons (Lebron has played 20 seasons so far) and never missed the playoffs, five western conference finals appearances, selected to play on the dream team. So just think about that... There's around 4800 NBA players all time, Stockton is 55th in points, 1st in steals, and 1st in assists. That's legend shit.
The only issue I have with this list is the part with John Stockton where you said the only reason the Jazz made the finals is because other players in the western conference got old. But the players that you named were around the same age as Malone and Stockton. And Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp were younger than them. So I don’t understand that logic.
Great vid, cant agree with knocking stocktons 98 run while praising cp3 for this run, cp3 better player no doubt but stockton kareem and bron goat the best durability i can think of
Here are some Honorable Mentions: --Lenny Wilkens --Maurice Cheeks --Calvin Murphy --Sidney Moncrief --Dennis Johnson --Gus Williams --Louie Dampier (yes, I know he spent most of his career in the ABA) --Freddie Lewis (entire career in the ABA, but led the Indiana Pacers to three ABA championships) --Bob Cousy --JoJo White --Ron Harper --Mark Jackson --Terry Porter
No Garry Payton? Only pg to ever win defensive player of the year. Greatest defensive point guard ever. Multiple time all star and NBA champion. Definitely a top 10 point guard. Jerry west was not a point guard.
The disrespect this new generation has for Gary Payton is insane. I remember in 2000 he was seen as the best point guard in the league over most of the guys on this list. Let alone in 96 when he was basically the MVP of the western conference.
West was still good in the late 90s. Ur forgetting to mention the jazz faced the spurs lead by Duncan robinson and sean eliot coached by greg and other role players including the lakers who had 4 all stars with eddie Jones Kobe exel also shaq. West had great teams and players werent aging. U can say the same thing for malone and Stockton who were in their late 30s as well and only reason why oscar didnt have success during his kings days was how bad they were and best players like jerry lucas retiring. Oscar made a winning impact not like russ even with the bucks.
Only player I’d swap is Kidd for Cousy. Not because Cousy would ball now like he did then, but he was winning during an era that DID include Robertson and West.
yeah but he was in a system that had him feed the post to that pedophile for easy assists and sit in passing lanes. plenty of better passers and defenders at the point guard position. better than 10 but not more than 6
In Oscar Robertson's defense, yes, the NBA only had about 10-15 teams, which also meant fewer teams qualified for the playoffs each year. And until he got to Milwaukee in 1970, he had always played on some mediocre (even by the standards of his era) Cincinnati Royals teams.
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Damn our lists is pretty much identical although I could've sworn Jerry West is a SG right? Plus I have Steve Nash ahead of Westbrook but overall yup I agree with everything
A common misconception about West that fans usually have is that, despite being listed as a PG for a majority of his career, he is, in fact, a SG. The reason why Basketball Reference lists him as a PG is because during tip-offs, he would line up in the spot where the PG should be because his coaches wanted him to hold the ball first, seeing that he was so effective at both scoring and playmaking. After the first possession though, he would instantly switch to SG as he would usually guard the opposing team's SG. This is part of the reason why the Lakers lost to the Knicks in the Finals twice because West guarded Dick Barnett instead of Walt Frazier (which is also why Frazier went off in Game 7 of the 1970 Finals).
Jerry West was a shooting guard he even said it himself in interviews before, he didn't start playing point guard until Wilt and Gail Goodrich got to the Lakers when he lead the league in assists.
As far as Stockton goes and Utah Jazz winning. The other teams got old lol the Jazz were around the same age lmao. U young dudes that never seen these guys play outside of TH-cam really need to STOP making videos!
How is this Point Guard does not even make the top-10 is outrageous. 6x Champion 1x MVP 2x All-Star MVP 12x All NBA 1st Team 13x All Star 8x Assist Leader
My top 10 point guard 1 lamelo ball 2 Jeremy lin 3 Jason kidd 4 steve kerr 5 Derek Rose 6 seth curry 7 tony parker 8 gary payton 9 nate roberson 10 steve nash Hopefully everybody likes my top 10 point guard 5
The goal of basketball is to win. Westbrook is a player who puts up stats that dont impact winning at all and at times hes a liability on the floor. If all you take into is impact on winning which is what it should be, westbrook isn't top 10 and there's a lot of guys who impact the win loss column more than westbrook.
Agree but then also gotta include skills and abilities and his stats show he's one of th3 best all around pgs but not much else, if he had a shot orolly thEE best
To say Westbrook doesn’t impact winning at all is just false KD couldn’t have got to the finals in 2012 without him and he kept okc relevant even after kd left however he can be a liability he stilled showed to carry a trash team to the playoffs and be a second option on a finals team
@@aintnoway8594 KD had a amazing run in 2012 so how did he get into the finals with russ and say without him he wouldnt have that sucess. Russ was a 3 time 1st round exit without KD
Mine in no order,Kyrie Irving,Damian Lillard,Stephen Curry,Russell Westbrook,Ja Morant,Trae Young,Tyrese Haliburton,LaMelo Ball,Chris Paul,Isaih Thomas
that’s only because of longevity… if you compare his peak (best 10 seasons) he clearly falls behind AT LEAST 10 other pg’s. plus he doesn’t have the accolades or any impact on the game outside of being a “true pg” which won’t win you any championships .
You are right in fact I'd go a step further and say it isn't debatable. If you've watched Gary Payton and Westbrook play, there is no way you could rank Westbrook ahead of Payton. Let's pretend we live in another world where Westbrook didn't hog the ball from players like Durant, wasn't a turnover machine and played smart basketball. He still wouldn't be as good of a shooter as Gary Payton.
I'm wondering if I even understand basketball. Is the object to miss and throw the ball in the stands. Russ is better at those things than Gary Payton. Also, I don't want to hear about Westbrooks stats because we all know he had a team that helped him purposely pad his stats. If you gave a prime Gary Payton a team that only cared about Gary's stats, then he'd be averaging 30 15 15.
You spoke kind of wrong with Kidd when they got Vince Carter they didn’t get better but the rest of the East was just better , they lost Kenyon Martin by the time Vince even got there
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False what you said about the Jazz, who reached the finals only because of the old age of their opponents, when they were among the most veteran, Payton was 10 years younger than Stockton at that time 🤣
The Payton one I didn't get either, he was in his physical prime during the Bulls 3 Peat. Maybe he's talking about the fall off of Seattle like with Shawn Kemp but idk, that was a bad reason 🤷
@@ericdupree8603 Payton was in his prime for the first three peat and a little before that. Kemp fell off cuz he gained too much weight for athletically gifted talent like himself.
@@ericdupree8603 Payton was still good and wasn't declining and they had a good roster including kemp in 97. In 98 they faced the spurs and Lakers also the rockets big 3 drexler hakeem Barkley
@Todd Lerfahndler you realize the games that they switched Payton on mj they won both those games. Payton was up their as well don’t sleep on him.
Stockton is 6 years older then Gary ..
"I’m not gonna give Stockton a participation award"
... proceeds to give Jason Kidd a participation award 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Lmfao I know I was think the same thing
Read more about John Stockton and how the opponents respected him; especially Gary Payton.
Kidd won a chip and finished in the top 5 in mvp votes numerous times
John Stockton in my opinion should be number 3 he has the most assists and steals Jerry west isn't even a point guard he's a shooting guard
@@Sophialogue. yeah no 😂😂Stockton is not top 3 stop it 💀even if you consider West a SG
The man holds the record for most assists and steals TO THIS DAY !!!
Obviously da nigga played 20yeears no injury
Also had no left hand. Real ones understand that statement lol.
@@drejohnson4819 longevity is a great skill lol
Stockton is a complimentary star, with amazing longevity. He put up All Time Great Numbers with no left hand.
@@tonycrawford3818 Go watch tennis, you are clearly a casual fan.
Your take on Stockton is all wrong. The Jazz destroyed Kobe and Shaq two years in a row in the playoffs and they were a very young team. Stockton should be higher than Kidd and definitely higher than Nash . What did Nash ever accomplish?
Kobe wasn't even Kobe until 2000. So they were WAY too young.
@@rogelioatempa1115 So years after that when Kobe didnt make the playoffs he wasnt Kobe then either ? LOL
Nash is a 2x mvp
@@rogelioatempa1115 kobe made the all star and had shaq also van excel and Eddie Jones who were all stats
@@squashua7222 Yes, in a league where Nash put up Stockton like numbers and won back 2 to back MVPs. Stockton was putting up better numbers than Nash in his best years, but because he faced better MVP contenders, had Karl Malone on his team, he was never in the MVP race. Nash's only competition at MVP those two years was an aging Shaq who was a 2nd fiddle on a Heat squad tbh, and Kobe's best scoring years on a struggling Lakers squad. Stockton had to face greater competition, and had Malone on his team to take away his points. If we put Nash in the 80s or 90s, does he even sniff MVP? Lol let's be real. Nash won 2 MVPs at the perfect time to win them for a guy putting up his numbers.
Somehow, John Stockton has continued to be the most unappreciated and regularly disrespected players in the history of sports.
He’s overrated
No awards no matter personal or team,lots of data but no championship just overrated when somebody says he is underrated,actually top10 pg is enough for him
John Stockton is around 4-6 no way he 10
All time leader in steals and assist is overrated to some ppl
Smh
And their excuse is longevity which it isn’t longevity
Stockton… 10th? By far the leading player all-time in assists AND steals. And your age argument just doesn’t make any sense, Shawn Kemp was in the middle of his prime in his late 20s when the Jazz made those finals, and Stockton + Malone were just as old (in fact slightly older) than the Rockets big 3. Stockton was not an elite scorer but he was extremely efficient and one of the best defenders in the NBA at his position.
The age argument doesn’t make sense in any sport or any era of sports. A team can only play who they have in front of them, it’s not their fault if a team decides to have an aging\older roster…The entire point is to build your roster with the players that you think will give you the best chance to win, and if their strategy worked why are they being knocked for it?…
There's no way that Russell Westbrook is a better point guard than John Stockton
Isaiah Thomas is the second best point guard in the history of basketball 🏀
You must have not have seen prime Westbrook
@@REPOonNaWest Let us know when Westbrook makes it to the post season 19 years in a row.
@@gregcampbell3052 Steph Curry
I personally think Stockton is a top 3 PG of all time. But Jason Kidd is slept on too. But Stockton is CRIMINALLY underrated
I would put Stockton top 5. He was durable AF, all time leader in steals AND assists, 2 NBA Finals appearances when the Sonics, Rockets, etc had more athletic and talented teams, and even though he wasn't scoring like crazy, look at his efficiency, someone like Russ Westbrook is putting up a lot more shots and playing for numbers but is often shooting nearly 10% lower at an efficiency standpoint while his teams almost always underacheive, I would take Stockton any day.
I think it's hard to compare pgs more than any position becuz the position has evolved. We have steph curry pulling from the logo we got 6ft3 athletic freaks in Russell westbrook we got a 6ft8 pg in luka
Agreed, Stockton was way better than so many on this list. IMO only Johnson, Curry, West, and IT are better
@@danielquest8644 nah even Gary Payton was better than him
The Lakers of today would definitely take a veteran John Stockton over the current version of Russell Westbrook they have
@@kabirchohan335881462 Lebron is contantly handling the ball, they sort of don't need a traditional PG, I think that is a big part of the problem with Westbrook, he and Lebron do similar things, but Lebron does it better.
Damn reach the finals twice in a row and my man says, "they lost so I'm not giving them a participation award for that" SAVAGE!!!
And he puts Steve Nash over him because of regular season MVP's lol this guy is too inconsistent
@@haadtheevision Nash got two MVP's bc Kobe was accused of rape and the league didn't want the bad press. Yes, Nash had some great years, but MVP's are often popularity contests.
@@hepwo91222 No they’re not. Name 1 time where someone was actually robbed for MVP. It has always gone to the best player on one of the best teams in the league who’s also having the best season.
@@haadtheevision Nash 2 MVP's for starters. Bird was the runner up a few times where he could have won it, he did win 3 but he was the runner up like 4 times.
@@hepwo91222 Thank you for proving my point, no one has ever really gotten robbed of MVP.
You said Stockton never had any team/individual accomplishments when he’s literally the all time leader in 2 stats and has 2 finals appearances BUT then you put Chris Paul who is way less accomplished 5 spots higher than him. Make it make sense man.
If you were to compare Stockton to Westbrook or Kidd, I’d understand but Stockton is not better than CP3. Chris Paul has made any team he’s been on a contender for the championship. Stockton’s 2 finals appearances doesn’t matter much.
@@allforbreezy5755 cp3 made his team a contender but yet only reached the finals once in his 15th year and he wasnt even their best player in the playoffs, it was dbook.(love cp3 but gotta say stockton is better)
Stockton can’t carry like cp3
@@yeseloraelsama8949 yet he only reached the finals once that too on the back of dbook and ayton
@@yeseloraelsama8949 facts
Bob Cousy was an 8x assist champion, 1x mvp, 6x champ, 13x all star, 12x all nba teams and he's not mentioned here smh. He was the first best pg in league history for a decade and a half in the 1950s to 1960s
bro i’m not putting a nigga that dribbled with one hand and couldn’t shoot 40% from the field on here lmaoo
@@YungMustard You can't deny his accomplishments. The most rings as PG
@@anthonyyasona8237 He’s was on the Celtics with bill russell bro, he wasn’t even the best on his team. you didn’t watch bro play so idk why u care. bro wasn’t even the best or second best pg of his era and his era was one of the worst ones. And combine that with his numbers being dogshit? yea fuck no
@@YungMustard With that logic Bill Russell shouldn't be on ur top 10 list or top 5 center of all time.
@@YungMustard they dribbled one hand because of the rules in the 60s and how was the compettion worse. If that`s ur logic. then why did u include jerry west and oscar in ur list since they played in the same era as cousy was. didn`t know a era that had Oscar, west, Walt frazier, jojo white, paul arzin, KC jones and hal geer, lenny wilikins , dave bing was considered weak ?
Stockton is higher than 10 on this list.
For sure. I'd out him over Russ and arguably over CP3
@@TheFadedSpade35 no he was in system that helped his numbers while Russ and CP3 are a case of individual excellence
@@dumbass4624 your name definitely suits you, because you liked your own comment before you even posted it.
@@TheFadedSpade35 Russ is better than Stockton
@@dumbass4624 hell no I rather have someone that can help me win than a ball hog who goes for stats
Idk how this list doesn't have Bob Cousy. He has an MVP and 6 titles. Elite playmaker and leader. Not sure what he was supposed to do to make it on this list.
I think players from the beginning era don’t get as much credit as they should
@@Gaminggod23. to be fair stats were recorded differently so.
but then again he played in the 50s against far worse competition. now i know there's nothing that he could do about that, but unfortunately that's just the way it is
@@sri-kaushalramana437 he actually played in the 60s so they werent worse compettion
Because accolades don’t trump actual skill. And this is the most stacked position in the last 20 years. The game keeps growing, but I freaky want you to say bob deserves to be over someone like dame Westbrook or cp3
The age argument for the West, against Stockton an Malone doesn't make sense cause they were both in their mid 30s during the back to back finals appearances
Russ has playoff blunders… next we have cp3☠️
Russ is definitely way worse 😂 I promise if cp3 had kd they would have a chip
@@Mikeyboy779 yea cuz experience if Russ had kd now in bk they’d have a chip
@@Mikeyboy779 Russ also has a 40 bomb in the finals
@@mazza3571 probably not tbh Russ just dosent play well with other great players. Cp3 biggest problem is probably his injury history tho he didn't play well in the bucks series
@@saibotshawdow5090 thats not true, kd won a mvp with russ, pg had his only real chance at mvp with russ, and harden averaged the most pts he ever had in his career w/ russ. russ problem is decision making
I always find CP3 over Stockton to be one of the stupidest rankings in the NBA because all the criticisms put against Stockton apply to CP3 yet Stockton has unbreakable records and helped lead his team to the finals
Facts Stockon multiple finals apparence and elevated his team leads assist and steals people just don't like he doesn't shoot enough but when he did he was efficient
@@NewAgeSlaves people have no idea how good Stockton was. Cp3 hasn't passed those guys yet
Stockton overrated asf
Probably because alot of people under 30 didn't really get to watch him play... Man was tough as nails for his size
God you all time casual
Jason Kidd tooo low brah 😂😂😂 you contradict yourself with the mvp statement …. Jason Kidd finished top 3 in mvp voting TWICE and took the nets to the finals TWICE
Thank you.
He and John Stockton should be higher than Chris Paul
@@kirkiedakingpin and Gary payton too.
@@kirkiedakingpin Chris Paul was 2nd and probably should of won MVP over Kobe there a reason that trade got veto Chris Paul a much better player then both of them
@@saibotshawdow5090 both in their primes I would take Stockton over Cp3 all day. Chris Paul is Phenomenal but Stockton was just better man. If you gave Stockton to Blake Griffin and Paul to Malone. The Clippers would have at least made one final by now
Jerry West is tricky to rank by position. A lot of people has him as a 2 guard. He played PG and SG
We should probably go off his listed positions from each of seasons on basketball reference
i have jerry west in my Sg all time list and pG as well lol
Jerry West is top 3 PG for me behind Magic and Steph. He is also a top 3 SG only behind GOAT and Mamba
@@anthonyyasona8237 wade better
West was a 2 guard but at the end of a game he became a 1.
1. Magic
2. Curry
3. IT
4. Oscar (big numbers)
5. Stockton (you need to watch more tapes, most accurate passer ever)
6. Kidd (best passer except magic & great defender)
7. Payton (best defender)
8. Westbrook (0 defence, most athletic, actually more clutch than he is given credit for)
9. CP3 (choke god)
10. Nash (0 defence)
And I consider Jerry West a shooting guard.
Your list is better than his, I like it 👍🏾
Stop. Stockton too high, cp3 too low
When has cp3 choked outside of the OKC series
@@chilldoc9638 you don't remember the rockets series where they were tormented by freaking Josh Smith?
@@chilldoc9638 Stockton nailed a 3 at the buzzer to send the Jazz to their first finals. When did CP3 do that?
Westbrick shot 29% from 3 this season. Literally the least efficient shooter in the NBA right now
U don’t win games just by shooting 3s that’s like saying steph curry is the best player ever and we ALL know that’s not true he’s a great no doubt but basketball has more to it then just 3s and 29% really isn’t even THAT bad the avg NBA 3pt percentage is about 35% and for Westbrook it isn’t bad he’s not a know shooter but has one bad season n all of a sudden he’s trash lol mans averaged a triple double literally last season
sigh cp3 would have been top 5 if he won a ring
Bro he top 5 lock
No he wouldn’t since it took him 16 years to get one and don’t even have a reg mvp
@@Calogeee he’s only made 1 finals cause of injuries and he’s had multiple mvp caliber seasons
@@mattsarmi781 well since Stockton isn't there anymore ig
@@mattsarmi781 name 3
Robert Horry is the reason Nash never made a run to the Finals
Facts
Perfect spot for Russell Westbrook, I’d put Steve Nash higher
Perfect spot for russ is top 1000
@@tj5180 fr
@@kingkunta2977 he joking
@@easymoneyrad I was
@@tj5180 i know
"Triple double king, gotta put some respect on that" is a hilarious statement after just casually handwaving away the fact that Stockton holds 2 NBA all-time records that will never be broken. This list is trash, seeped with regency bias and a preposterous amount of personal preference.
Stockton slander 🔥🔥🔥
The hate for John Stockton, he literally did everything but win a ring. Yet you got Westbrook far ahead of him
Facts the leader of steals and assist and one the greatest to never win a ring
your only looking at his resume i assume? that will fool anyone into believing he is a top 10 pg. russ far exceeds stockton in talent, accolades & impact…
@@donkane.81 impact i think not russ is a first round exit
@@NewAgeSlaves russ has made it to the finals, wcf multiple times in a TOUGH western conference. and actually played well when he got there. plus his impact on the game with his triple doubles, energy and passion. stockton could never…
@@NewAgeSlaves what impact (if any) has stockton left on the nba?
Westbrook should be 10. I can't put him even over Stockton
Westbrook is not better than Stockton, Frazer,
Individual excellence (Russ) over being in a system for 20 years with no injury ( Stockton)
Russ was an MVP Stockton never even sniffed an MVP lol
@@shanerobinson925 Malone who was fed Stockton's passes won MVP which is what a point guard is supposed to do. Point guards didn't win MVPs back then Gary Payton was way better than Westbrook and never sniffed an MVP either.
Westbrook shouldn't even be on here 🤦
payton and kemp were younger than stockton and malone, and drexler barkley and hakeem are almost the same age as them. this from a drexler fan
Yeah, the Rockets and Sonics were still good teams when the Jazz got to the FInals. Jazz had a starting 5 of Stockton, Hornacek, Russell, Malone, and Ostertag. Beating teams with Hakeem, Drexler, Barkley on the Rockets and Payton/Kemp on the Sonics. Rockets and SOnics had deeper better teams overall too. Jazz played that pick and roll to perfection with Stockton as the maestro.
Dude you wildin you have Cp3 above jason Kidd and John Stockton. And you have Cp3 there for longevity. Stockton played 19 seasons with great health leads the league in all time assist and steals and you have him 10th.
cp3 is closer to MJ than kidd
BRO WTF IS YOU SMOKIN 😂 HE AINT EVEN BETTER THEN DAME kidd ain't on cp3 level lol
Cp3 is 1000x more skilled then both
There is no way that you've got Westbrook over Stockton, Kidd and Nash 🙄
Stockton wasn’t flashy at all which is prob the reason he’s so underrated but the guy only missed 22 games in his whole career.. he should have been higher on the list
Playing every game doesn't make you a top 5 player at his position. It just means that you were probably gonna be at work that day.
There's probably some person at your job that doesn't do anything special at all. They come in a little early. Get set up to work. Do they job. Go home. The end. Outside of never missing a shift, they really don't do anything extraordinary. They are always at work to help out when your extraordinary ppl call in sick tho
@@mchild80 Stockton was also efficient AF, far more than almost anyone on this list, also all time leader in assists AND steals are two very significant records.
So basically Stockton is the employee that works everyday, but was never good enough to be Employee of the Month or best worker in the company
At zero times in his career, he was considered a top 5 player or the best at his position. He was an above average player who played for 20 years while having an all time great on his team for 20 years.
@@mchild80 9 seasons in a row Stockton lead the NBA in assists, but he was never the best PG In the league? Were you alive in the 80's or 90's? Also in a few of them he averaged over 14 assists per game for entire seasons!
Ok so by your reasoning, Russell Westbrook has been the best PG over the past 5 years since he led the league in assists over that span.
While also giving you double the points and triple the rebounds and not having an all time great get 75% of your passes.
So again when was Stockton the best?
Fun fact :westbrook was better than Kd on the 2016 wcf, But he takes the blame. (I am not a westbrook fan at all but facts are facts)
Fax
Not a russ fan but that's fax. Except game 7 where he played bad.
Giannis agenda 😉
Yeah Durant clearly choked last 3 games.
@@Minimal444 Westbrook shot for from the field those last 3 game lmao stop lying
Stockton is a top 5 pg of all time. This video already got a dislike from me 🤦🏻♂️! This video is a waste of time!
no he’s not
Stockton at 10? You lost all the credibility
8:28 Russ played against Dame 2019, not 2018
2018-19 season
I agree Stockton should be higher. I would put him ahead of Kidd, probably Chris Paul too...probably? His durability, records in steals and assists do it for me. He was a pure point guard in my opinion. Not the best mind you, just pure. There's a reason they put him in the Olympics.
Steve Nash’s owner literally knew the nba was gonna change rules in a way that would be beneficial to a Dantoni system a year or two b4 it happened I can barley respect that bc they basically had a heads up
Nash was already a great player on the mavs. This myth he was only good cuz of the suns system and rules is a false myth.
I appreciate you recognizing that West was a PG. It's annoying that so many people list him at SG without taking 10 seconds to check bball ref
Can't blame them. He played both positions and people think he mostly played SG but didnt know he played Pg more in his career
How about you take time to actually watch Jerry West highlights and interviews he clearly states that he played shooting guard for most of his career. He was a 6'5 shooting guard who didn't start playing the point until the 1971 season when Gail Goodrich became more of the focal point of the offense.
@@haadtheevision hate to break it to you but players arent the ones who decide what positions they play, West can claim whatever he wants he was still a PG in all but 2 seasons
@@MikeTheNBAGuy Do you know how retarded that statement sounded?
@@haadtheevision to you? someone who clearly has no basketball knowledge? I assume very
honestly i think magic and curry can be interchanged at this point
Curry is a tough one for me, he is more like one of the best players listed as PG than a true PG, if that makes sense. Where most traditional PG's are pass first distribute the ball and set the table for the team type of player, Curry is like a beast of a SG that is listed as a PG. Not knocking him or the results since he has the MVP's and titles and stats, but as far as how to play PG, Curry is not the protypical type of player.
John Stockton at 10 just invalidates you as a analyst
Yes
U get a like for John Stockton being 10. Tired of people overrating that man
How is he top 10 ?
@@tj5180 hes basically a worse CP3
@@SeanNg__n how ? Amount of disrespect that Stockton gets
@@tj5180 he top 10 but when people put him top 5 they overrate him
@@SeanNg__n you not on cp3 level
I literally do not understand why so many people hate on John Stockton. 5 years ago, it's pretty much consensus that he's a top 5 point guard ever. Now everyone's like "He was never the best player on his team" like Scottie Pippen doesn't exist or "He only has those stats because he played for a very long time" like Kareem didn't get his 38,387 points because he played basically the same amount of time. Seriously though, just because a guy is white and can't jump off the roof doesn't mean he's not as great as the athletically gifted ones. Stockton is *the* model of consistency in the sport and you can argue that he's the greatest ever at the two primary things that a point guard should do: facilitate on offense and serve as the first line of defense. Gary Payton, arguably the greatest defensive guard of all-time, said that it was tougher to guard Stockton than Michael Jordan, because, to paraphrase what he said, "When MJ has the ball in his hands, he can score 30, but when Stockton has the ball in his hands, everyone can score 30".
The emergence of the duel threat point gaurd scoring and passing made Stockton look a lot worse than before
@@nickfarwell8104 so his records are invalidated just because he "doesn't look good"? Your logic is flawed, dude.
bro just said stockton is the tenth best point guard of all time i dont need to watch any further 😂😂😂
bc of ppl like you hes so overrated
Yeah he's become underrated lately.
Everyone on the list was a first option at some point in their careers unlike stockton.
A lot of people don’t realize Magic was doing eurosteps back in the day
Lots of nephews think Magic is overrated cause they never watched him play. Pain.
I would swap Westbrook and Stockton. If it wasn't for MJ, Stockton might have a couple of rings. He was a true floor general and read and controlled the game. Westbrook filled the box score and plays with so much heart. But I"m not sure his play equates to helping a team win.
Agree, but i keep prefering brodie to Jason Kidd or nash
Y’all seem to overlook before 1997 the jazz choked a lot and underachieved it wasn’t just the bulls who prevented them from winning even when Jordan was out of the league in 1994-95 they had their chance but blew a 2-1 lead vs Houston
Westbrook is 3rd leader in turnovers all time. Poor ball handler, moving the bottom 80% in efficiency combined with a high usage rate. Its why his triple doubles are looked at as stat padding. He played the game so badly, that in order to get triple doubles, he had to steal rebounds from his own teammates and had to get 5/17 shots - 8/25 to score double figures consistently. He made the team worse and did not play winning basketball. He was a disease for any team he was on. No one wanted him and is why everyone traded him first chance they got.
He never improved on any fundamental skills because the league coddled him and excused his lack of fundamentals.
you forgot Gary Payton
crazy cuz i was gonna say if u can make an updated version of these😭
looool
People are entitled to their opinion but the blatant ignorance to Stockton is laughable
I would put Bob Cousy in top 10 point guards in the NBA of all times .
Seattle didn't get old, the idiots traded Kemp in his prime and it was all downhill from there.
How could you judge Stockton as a low tier pg and put Westbrook and nash like that when the jazz played legendary competition and all time great teams in the 80s he has assists averages records and career assists records you judging players you being bias with pgs you watch over the actual greats of the position
Nash is clearly better than Stockton
Nash win his mvps when the league stop hand checking in the 04-05 season that’s when he was dominant and even him at his best he wasn’t close to Stockton. Cause nothing Nash did could top the game winning shot Stockton hit to send the jazz to the finals against the rockets
You think Westbrook, CP3 is better than Stockton, Nash, Kidd. You are delusional dude. Even westbrook cant agree with this. If we put this list randomize it would more accurate.
rings so important yet nash ahead of stockton? if you ever seen how easy that man made the game you'd be givin nash a participation trophy for trying to emulate him
stockton was never the best player on any of his teams…
@@donkane.81 yes he was. For some years tho
Neither of them has any rings?
Nah sorry... You can't use an argument for one player being lower on the list but totally ignore it when talking about other players on the list. Should have turned the video off when you put Stockton at 10..
Stockton may not be Top 5, but putting the alltime leader in assists and steals at No. 10 is still a bit harsh. Also - it's not the Jazz fault that they went to face the GOAT twice in the finals. These Jazz teams could have beaten a lot of other NBA Champions. Sometimes you cannot just look at the numbers or results - you have to see them in context. Stockton is still a better player than Kidd (also defensively), Westbrook (who doesn't even belong in this list - he is too much of an empty stats guy, just look at advanced metrics and those playoff losses you mentioned). Also Cousy has to be Top 10. You just cannot left him off just because he played in the early ages of basketball. He has proven SO MUCH more than guys like Kidd and especially Westbrook and even Paul (also I can understand putting Paul above Cousy). He should at least be like No. 7 or 8.
Stockton is easily underrated cuz people like rusty and legend of winning convinced the community that Stockton was overrated by bringing up false narratives. Like the myth he was a system player or some playoff choker.
The disrespect on gary payton
It's quite funny how u put russ as a top 7 PG when u mentioned he was overrated because of the way he was ranked in all time list and what he did this season also in ur past videos but ur overrating russ now😂🤣. No offense btw but he's nowhere near as a 7th all time or is better then nash.
Westbrook is a lock top 10 PG ever, I have him at 7 or 8,
Steve Nash should be higher thou so ur right about 1 but Russ is def top 10
@@1Joseph25 fair enough .
@@tj5180 no
@@markmaniagaming5411 what
Bru in this comments there people who are stupid and saying he better then cp3 and shit but then there the people who say he ain't top 10
Bro, the only reason why Malone was an MVP is BECAUSE of Stockton
Stockton is 3rd among PGs in career Box Plus Minus after Magic and CP3 and 8th all-time overall. Putting him 10th is absolutely wrong, once again just proves how underrated Stockton became lately.
Did anyone else notice that Steve nash and Jason Kidd really just swapped teams🤣
Okay ima start by saying I don’t agree with everything you say but in this video... man just perfect list, everyone where they should be imo
John Stockton: All time assist leader, all time steal leader, 55/4800 NBA players in points all time, two finals appearances, played 19 seaons (Lebron has played 20 seasons so far) and never missed the playoffs, five western conference finals appearances, selected to play on the dream team. So just think about that... There's around 4800 NBA players all time, Stockton is 55th in points, 1st in steals, and 1st in assists. That's legend shit.
you and bsolz scratched my rankings itch! Thanks🤤
The only issue I have with this list is the part with John Stockton where you said the only reason the Jazz made the finals is because other players in the western conference got old. But the players that you named were around the same age as Malone and Stockton. And Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp were younger than them. So I don’t understand that logic.
John Stockton number 10 ???? Bro you can’t be serious
Keep up the good work man
Great vid, cant agree with knocking stocktons 98 run while praising cp3 for this run, cp3 better player no doubt but stockton kareem and bron goat the best durability i can think of
No hate, just look talkin hoops, your channel honestly goated
Facts john played from the 80s to the 2000s people just don't like he isn't flashy
@@NewAgeSlaves he was flashy 🤣😂.
@@tj5180 he had highlight plays no doubt but in general people don't know him for that
@@NewAgeSlaves go listen to nba legends interviews talking about him
Here are some Honorable Mentions:
--Lenny Wilkens
--Maurice Cheeks
--Calvin Murphy
--Sidney Moncrief
--Dennis Johnson
--Gus Williams
--Louie Dampier (yes, I know he spent most of his career in the ABA)
--Freddie Lewis (entire career in the ABA, but led the Indiana Pacers to three ABA championships)
--Bob Cousy
--JoJo White
--Ron Harper
--Mark Jackson
--Terry Porter
I can't believe I forgot to include Gary Payton. Well, I include him now.
No Garry Payton? Only pg to ever win defensive player of the year. Greatest defensive point guard ever. Multiple time all star and NBA champion. Definitely a top 10 point guard. Jerry west was not a point guard.
Yes, Jerry was, take a look at basketball reference, all his seasons are listed at PG position
The disrespect this new generation has for Gary Payton is insane. I remember in 2000 he was seen as the best point guard in the league over most of the guys on this list. Let alone in 96 when he was basically the MVP of the western conference.
I have no complaints about this list
John Stockton top 5
This is why I can’t unsubscribe from this man when u bored it’s worth it I been subscribed for almost a year get this man to 1 milly quick
West was still good in the late 90s. Ur forgetting to mention the jazz faced the spurs lead by Duncan robinson and sean eliot coached by greg and other role players including the lakers who had 4 all stars with eddie Jones Kobe exel also shaq. West had great teams and players werent aging. U can say the same thing for malone and Stockton who were in their late 30s as well and only reason why oscar didnt have success during his kings days was how bad they were and best players like jerry lucas retiring. Oscar made a winning impact not like russ even with the bucks.
Good job bro keep going!!!
1. Magic Johnson
2. Stephen Curry
3. Isiah Thomas
4. Jerry West
5. Chris Paul
6. Oscar Robertson
Bogus. Curry is 2
@@quays5107 thomas beat magic in the finals and mj multiple times inna semis or wcf ion know mane but its close
I got cp3 over curry cause he a TRUE pg
@@heemladen5872 don’t matter if u a true pg.
@@quays5107 no he aint
Only player I’d swap is Kidd for Cousy. Not because Cousy would ball now like he did then, but he was winning during an era that DID include Robertson and West.
stock is the all time assist, steal leader!! 10?
Yeah and who cares about it?
yeah but he was in a system that had him feed the post to that pedophile for easy assists and sit in passing lanes. plenty of better passers and defenders at the point guard position. better than 10 but not more than 6
@@badwifi3069 better defenders but none are the all time leaders in steals. He was undersized, yes, but a sneaky wing defender.
In Oscar Robertson's defense, yes, the NBA only had about 10-15 teams, which also meant fewer teams qualified for the playoffs each year. And until he got to Milwaukee in 1970, he had always played on some mediocre (even by the standards of his era) Cincinnati Royals teams.
This is honestly the most accurate list I’ve seen and great reasoning💯
Lol y'all are like 19 years old....🤦 smdh
@@washburn11000 would love to hear your list
@@bobbysmoove4796 it's in the comments, lmk what you think
@@washburn11000 wait where 💀
@@jefjef601 right below this....
Top 💯 Players in NBA History
1. LeBron James/Michael Jordan
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4.Earvin “Magic” Johnson
5. Kobe Bryant
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Bill Russell
8.Larry Bird
9. Tim Duncan
10.Hakeem Olajuwon
11.Shaquille O’Neal
12.Kevin Durant
13. Stephen Curry
14. Oscar Robertson
15.Moses Malone
16. Julius Erving
17. Dwyane Wade
18. Jerry West
19. Elgin Baylor
20. Isiah Thomas
21. Charles Barkley
22. Karl Malone
23. Dirk Nowitzki
24. Kevin Garnett
25. David Robinson
26. Kawhi Leonard
27. Giannis Antetokounmpo
28. Scottie Pippen
29. John Havlicek
30. Allen Iverson
31. Chris Paul
32. James Harden
33. Patrick Ewing
34. Dominique Wilkins
35. Kevin Mchale
36. Rick Barry
37. Bob Pettit
38. Clyde Drexler
39. Elvin Hayes
40. Jason Kidd
41. Russell Westbrook
42. Gary Payton
43. Steve Nash
44. George Mikan
45. Anthony Davis
46. George Gervin
47. Walt Frazier
48. James Worthy
49. Willis Reed
50. Paul Pierce
51-100
51. Bob McAdoo
52. Robert Parish
53. Bob Cousy
54. Dave Cowens
55. Bill Walton
56. Dolph Schayes
57. Wes Unseld
58. Carmelo Anthony
59. Ray Allen
60. Reggie Miller
61. Earl Monroe
62. Dwight Howard
63. Dennis Rodman
64. Tracy McGrady
65. Alonzo Mourning
66. Tiny Archibald
67. Tony Parker
68. Pau Gasol
69. Manu Ginobili
70. Pistol Pete Maravich
71. Bernard King
72. Sam Jones
73. Vince Carter
74. Artis Gilmore
75. Bob Lanier
76.Dikembe Mutombo
77. Alex English
78. Jerry Lucas
79. Joe Dumars
80. Chris Bosh
81. Jo Jo White
82. Adrian Dantley
83. Sidney Moncrief
84. Grant Hill
85. Hal Greer
86. Damian Lillard
87. Kyrie Irving
88. Klay Thompson
89. Chris Mullin
90. Dennis Johnson
91. Chris Webber
92. Yao Ming
93. Mark Price
94. Paul Arizin
95. Nate Thurmond
96. Billy Cunningham
97. David Thompson
98. Lenny Wilkins
99. Gail Goodrich
100. Dave DeBusschere
Honorable Mentions- Mitch Richmond , Shawn Kemp, Jamaal Wilkes, Spencer Haywood, Cliff Hagan, Ed McCauley, Walt Bellamy, Jack Sickma, Ben Wallace, Walt Bellamy, Spencer Haywood, Mo Cheeks, Joe Johnson, Chet Walker, Tim Hardaway, Chauncey Billups, Penny Hardaway, Tom Chambers, LaMarcus Aldridge, , Gus Johnson, Antwan Jamison, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, Tom Gola, Gus Williams, Richard Hamilton, Rasheed Wallace, Jeff Malone, Glen Rice, Kiki Vandeweghe, Kevin Johnson, Bobby Jones, Paul Westphal, Rudy Tomjanovich, Bob Dandridge, Paul George, Nikola Jokic, Joel Embiid, Jimmy Butler, Karl Anthony Towns, DeMar Derozan ,Mark Aguirre, Bill Sharman, Bobby Jones, Bob Dandridge, Ralph Sampson, Johnny Red Kerr, Frank Ramsey, Bill Sharman, Michael Cooper, Jimmy Butler, Frank Ramsey, Detlef Schrempf, Marc Gasol, Zach Randolph, Terry Cummings, Bailey Howell, Bill Laimbeer
Bradley Beal, Derrick Rose, John Wall, Brandon Roy, Dan Marjerle, Vern Mickelson, Rajon Rondo, Slater Martin, Draymond Green, Dale Ellis,, Gilbert Arenas, Kyle Lowry, Amar’e Stoudemire, Shawn Marion, Jamal Crawford,,, Elton Brand, Sean Elliott, Shareef Abdul-Rahim, Antoine Walker, Horace Grant, Toni Kukoc, Robert Horry, Maurice Lucas, David West , Clyde Lovellette, Tony Kukoc, Jrue Holiday, CJ McCollum, Lou Williams, Andre Iguodala, Terry Porter, Deron Williams, KC Jones , Mike Conley, David West, Carlos Boozer
Top 30 Point Guards in NBA History
1. Earvin “Magic” Johnson
2. Stephen Curry
3. Oscar Robertson
4. Isiah Thomas
5. Chris Paul
6. John Stockton
7. Jason Kidd
8. Russell Westbrook
9. Gary Payton
10. Steve Nash
11-30 Walt Frazier, Bob Cousy, Nate Archibald, Tony Parker, Dennis Johnson, Kyrie Irving, Damian Lillard, Mark Price, Lenny Wilkens, Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, Mo Cheeks, Dave Bing Penny Hardaway, Chauncey Billups, Kyle Lowry, Richie Guerin, Gus Williams, John Wall, Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, Mark Jackson, Mike Conley, KC Jones, Andre Miller, Slater Martin, Rod Strickland, Norm Nixon, Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Mike Conley Jr, Terry Porter, Deron Williams, Ron Harper, Baron Davis, Gilbert Arenas, Stephon Marbury, Kemba Walker, Nick Van Exel, Mike Bibby, Jason Williams, Mugsey Bogues, Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf Mookie Blaylock, Damon Stoudemire, Kirk Hinrich, Slater Martin, Spud Webb, Kenny Smith, Sam Cassell, John Paxson, Derek Fisher, Brian Shaw, Avery Johnson
Top 30 Shooting Guards in NBA History
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Jerry West
5. Allen Iverson
6. James Harden
7. Clyde Drexler
8. George Gervin
9. Ray Allen
10. Reggie Miller
11-30. Tracy McGrady, Earl Monroe, Pistol Pete Maravich, Vince Carter, Manu Ginobili, Sam Jones, Joe Dumars, Jo Jo White, Sidney Moncrief, Klay Thompson , David Thompson, , Gail Goodrich, , Hal Greer, Mitch Richmond, , Bill Sharman, Paul Westphal, Walter Davis, Joe Johnson, Richard Hamilton, Alvin Robertson, Michael Cooper, Jeff Malone, Dale Ellis, Andrew Toney, Rolando Blackman, Bradley Beal, Devin Booker
Jeff Hornacek, , Fred Brown, Bill Bradley, Hershey Hawkins, Walter Davis, Brandon Roy, Ricky Pierce, Reggie Lewis, Jeff Malone, Jamal Crawford, Michael Finley, Jrue Holiday, Lou Williams, Latrell Sprewell, Alan Houston, Byron Scott, Steve Smith, , Michael Finley, Michael Ray Richardson, World B Free, Darrell Griffith, Michael Redd, Danny Ainge, John Starks, Jalen Rose, Vinnie Johnson, Nick Anderson, John Starks, Dick Barnett, Dell Curry, Vernon Maxwell, Mario Ellie, Steve Kerr
Top 30 Small Forwards in NBA History
1. LeBron James
2. Larry Bird
3. Kevin Durant
4. Julius Erving
5. Elgin Baylor
6. Kawhi Leonard
7. Scottie Pippen
8. John Havlicek
9. Rick Barry
10. Dominique Wilkins
11-30. James Worthy, Paul Pierce, Carmelo Anthony, , Benard King, Alex English, Grant Hill, Chris Mullin, Jamaal Wilkes, Paul Arizin, Rudy Tomjanovich, Cliff Hagan, Glen Rice, Connie Hawkins, Paul George, Chet Walker, Bob Dandridge, Bailey Howell, Gus Johnson, Mark Aguirre, Frank Ramsey, Glenn Robinson, Shawn Marion, Kiki Vandeweghe, Toni Kukoc, Jack Twyman, Bob Love, Eddie Johnson
Jerry Stackhouse,, Andre Iguodala, Peja Stojakovic, Caron Butler, Marques Johnson, Detlef Schrempf, Ron Artest, Andre Kirelenko, Orlando Woolridge, Luol Deng, Bruce Bowen, Tayshaun Prince, Rick Fox, Hedo Turkoglu, Shane Battier, Richard Jefferson, Dennis Scott, Stephen Jackson, Gerald Wallace, Jerome Kersey, Mike Miller
Top 30 Power Forwards in NBA History
1. Tim Duncan
2. Charles Barkley
3. Karl Malone
4. Dirk Nowitzki
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Giannis Antetokounmpo
7. Kevin Mchale
8. Bob Pettit
9. Elvin Hayes
10. Anthony Davis
11-30- Bob McADoo, Dennis Rodman, Pau Gasol, Chris Bosh, Chris Webber, Jerry Lucas, Dave DeBusschere, Billy Cunningham, Shawn Kemp, Kevin Love, Bobby Jones, Antwan Jamison, Blake Griffin, Tom Heinsohn, Draymond Green. Amare Stoudemire, Clifford Robinson, Terry Cummings, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Rasheed Wallace, Zach Randolph, Horace Grant, Larry Johnson, Charles Oakley, Satch Sanders, David West, , Horace Grant, Elton Brand, David Lee, Otis Thorpe, Antoine Walker, Carlos Boozer, Lamar Odom, Rashard Lewis, Robert Horry, Serge Ibaka, Rudy Laruso, , Paul Silas, Paul Millsap, Terry Cummings, Sam Perkins, Clifford Robinson, George McGinnis, Cedric Maxwell, Serge Ibaka, Anthony Mason, AC Green,, Rick Mahorn, Kurt Rambis
Top 30 Centers In NBA History
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Bill Russell
4. Hakeem Olajuwon
5. Shaquille O’Neal
6. Moses Malone
7. David Robinson
8. Patrick Ewing
9. George Mikan
10. Willis Reed
11-30
Wes Unseld, Bill Walton, Dave Cowens, Robert Parish, Dwight Howard, Alonzo Mourning, Bob Lanier, Dikembe Mutombo, Yao Ming, Nate Thurmond, Nikola Jokic, Joel Embiid, Jack Sickma, Artis Gilmore, Ben Wallace, ArVydas Sabonis, DeMarcus Cousins, Dan Issel, Mel Daniels, Ed Mcculey, Walt Bellamy, Ralph Sampson, Karl Anthony Towns, Vlade Divac, Rudy Gobert
Bill Laimbeer, Jermaine O’Neal, Al Horford, , Mychal Thompson, Tree Rollins. Tyson Chandler, Neil Johnston, Andre Drummond, Buck Williams, Mark Eaton, Marcus Camby, Bill Cartwright, Kevin Willis, Joakim Noah, Deandre Jordan, Brooke Lopez, Bam Adebayo, Roy Hibbert, Chris Kaman, Rik Smits, Ronny Seikaly, Andrew Bynum, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Greg Ostertag, Daryl Dawkins
Criteria
Accolades/Achievements
Championships
Statistics
All-NBAs
All-Defensive Teams
Allstars
Overall Game
Offense
Defense
Skill
Talent
Durability/Longevity
Nice
Noti crew
Jerry west should be ranked on 2 guard list and Gary Payton should be inserted onto the top 10 pg list
Damn our lists is pretty much identical although I could've sworn Jerry West is a SG right? Plus I have Steve Nash ahead of Westbrook but overall yup I agree with everything
Where do u have harden for shooting guards be honest i think hes 4th
A common misconception about West that fans usually have is that, despite being listed as a PG for a majority of his career, he is, in fact, a SG. The reason why Basketball Reference lists him as a PG is because during tip-offs, he would line up in the spot where the PG should be because his coaches wanted him to hold the ball first, seeing that he was so effective at both scoring and playmaking. After the first possession though, he would instantly switch to SG as he would usually guard the opposing team's SG. This is part of the reason why the Lakers lost to the Knicks in the Finals twice because West guarded Dick Barnett instead of Walt Frazier (which is also why Frazier went off in Game 7 of the 1970 Finals).
Jerry West was a shooting guard he even said it himself in interviews before, he didn't start playing point guard until Wilt and Gail Goodrich got to the Lakers when he lead the league in assists.
As far as Stockton goes and Utah Jazz winning. The other teams got old lol the Jazz were around the same age lmao. U young dudes that never seen these guys play outside of TH-cam really need to STOP making videos!
I clicked off the video when you put John Stockt at 10 😂😂😂
How is this Point Guard does not even make the top-10 is outrageous.
6x Champion
1x MVP
2x All-Star MVP
12x All NBA 1st Team
13x All Star
8x Assist Leader
Steph is #1 imo
😂 😂 😂
He’s not
My top 10 point guard
1 lamelo ball
2 Jeremy lin
3 Jason kidd
4 steve kerr
5 Derek Rose
6 seth curry
7 tony parker
8 gary payton
9 nate roberson
10 steve nash
Hopefully everybody likes my top 10 point guard
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The goal of basketball is to win. Westbrook is a player who puts up stats that dont impact winning at all and at times hes a liability on the floor. If all you take into is impact on winning which is what it should be, westbrook isn't top 10 and there's a lot of guys who impact the win loss column more than westbrook.
Agree but then also gotta include skills and abilities and his stats show he's one of th3 best all around pgs but not much else, if he had a shot orolly thEE best
@@easymoneyrad explain to me the value of stats if they don't contribute to winning
To say Westbrook doesn’t impact winning at all is just false KD couldn’t have got to the finals in 2012 without him and he kept okc relevant even after kd left however he can be a liability he stilled showed to carry a trash team to the playoffs and be a second option on a finals team
He just never contributed to championship basketball but nor has anyone under him or not on the list
@@aintnoway8594 KD had a amazing run in 2012 so how did he get into the finals with russ and say without him he wouldnt have that sucess. Russ was a 3 time 1st round exit without KD
1. Magic
2. Curry
3. Oscar
4. CP3
5. Nash
6. Zeke
7. Stockton
8. Westbrook
9. Kidd
10. Payton
perfect. just perfect
Good list, just moved cp3 down like 3 positions
Man I haven’t watched yet but I’m hoping Magic is in there fasho
Obviously
Pfftt he aint that stupid not to put him there
Fr magic so underrated
Mine in no order,Kyrie Irving,Damian Lillard,Stephen Curry,Russell Westbrook,Ja Morant,Trae Young,Tyrese Haliburton,LaMelo Ball,Chris Paul,Isaih Thomas
Russ better be top 5
😂😂😂
Uhhh😭😭😭
Learn some basketball history Russ ain't even close to that
Give me the drugs u had
@@Bilaldane he is
Dennis Johnson needs to be top 10 Finals MVP for Seattle 1979 ship and the glue to Bird Celtics. Hated his as a Lakers fan but much respect.
Put Stockton higher. Most assists and steals by far
Facts
Even Jason Kidd knows Stockton is better than him
that’s only because of longevity… if you compare his peak (best 10 seasons) he clearly falls behind AT LEAST 10 other pg’s. plus he doesn’t have the accolades or any impact on the game outside of being a “true pg” which won’t win you any championships .
the man was never even the best player on his own team 😂
Don Kane He was the best point guard on his team by far
I’m placing a huge, Fred Hickman shaped asterisk on Steph’s unanimous MVP.
Why ik you was bout to put Westbrook in n GP out but its debatable depending how you look how at the context
You are right in fact I'd go a step further and say it isn't debatable. If you've watched Gary Payton and Westbrook play, there is no way you could rank Westbrook ahead of Payton. Let's pretend we live in another world where Westbrook didn't hog the ball from players like Durant, wasn't a turnover machine and played smart basketball. He still wouldn't be as good of a shooter as Gary Payton.
Kyrie?!
Over who
Take off Westbrook and add Gary Payton.
100% agree
I'm wondering if I even understand basketball. Is the object to miss and throw the ball in the stands. Russ is better at those things than Gary Payton. Also, I don't want to hear about Westbrooks stats because we all know he had a team that helped him purposely pad his stats. If you gave a prime Gary Payton a team that only cared about Gary's stats, then he'd be averaging 30 15 15.
You spoke kind of wrong with Kidd when they got Vince Carter they didn’t get better but the rest of the East was just better , they lost Kenyon Martin by the time Vince even got there