lol at that year , it may be unusable to most applications or just trash really. you're just saying like using a ram stick from 1995 which only gives 16kb to 600kb ram on their computers. that memory is just trash.
I finally was able to get GPU at MSRP. I was on the EVGA waiting list for about 11 months now and they finally allowed me to purchase a 3060 Ti for $469 + shipping and tax.
This is what I love to hear. I was lucky enough to get in the first hour for a couple of the new cards, even then, it still took a while. But next to having a MC close by and the Newegg shuffle, this was one of the best ways to get a GPU. Sadly... they closed it down, but it was probably for the best.
@OneFortyFour I don't think that's true. They've seen what miners are willing to pay for GPU's. Like I said, their value is determined by their ability to mine Ethereum weighed against power consumption. Without mining, they're have to revert back to gaming performance as the pricing metric. I expect the 4000 series to be worse price to performance than the 3000 series was, even with the inflated ACTUAL MSRP, not the mining MSRP. But as long as some other coin doesn't step up in a short period of time, the 5000 series will likely have to take a step closer the launch MSRP's of the 3000 series. But that's all provided that the government gets inflation under control and solves the supply chain issues. It really is a problem from a lot of different angles, even without miners.
I've honestly just kept my old graphics cards. What's even more interesting is developers and even processor manufacturers are aware that most gamers are still using the 1000 series graphics cards. I have yet to see anything so extraordinary or "game-changer" to force me to switch. If I can get my hand on a 3070 at retain price, then great. If not, then oh freaking well. In my opinion, it would be fantastic if they made separate graphics cards for miners and gamers.
They do make mining specific graphics cards. The problem is that what makes a GPU good for gaming also make it good at mining and there's really no way to stop them from using gaming graphics cards to mine. The fact that every measure that's been taken has been subverted shows that. Besides, gaming graphics cards are more desirable because they hold more value at resale. So the mining specific cards aren't as desirable to miners. Unfortunately.
you're one of the lucky ones. what about those of us who had a GPU die and now we can't get a replacement? you ever run an ultrawide monitor on a 650Ti? it's not fun. fuck each and every one of you etherium miners. I hope you lose every fucking dime you made when this shit inevitably crashes.
yup, still using my 1070ti. My only problem that I'm running in to now is VR. While I can play most VR games, I can't play at max settings and that's one of the few times you can really see how that affects it.
The quality of this video is absolutely ridiculous for the level of subs you have. I started watching back when you did the optiplex videos and it’s been crazy watching you grow. Great job man
This was the most interesting gpu video that I've watched. I can actually say I learned something, rather than listened to the same rants. Well done man thank you
Thanks! I was pretty tired of seeing the same people farming for clicks. There are a few others that have done a decent job. I think Hardware Unboxed does a pretty good monthly update to the situation as well. Anyways, thanks for watching it and I'm happy you found it useful.
I refuse to pay $1600+ for an $800 GPU. I have just settled with playing games at lower FPS as my Vega 64 continues to be space heater and turbine engine simulator. Still able to hit high FPS marks in the competitive games I play mostly, though I was really hoping for a 6800xt or 3080 or higher by the time Halo came out but sadly that did not happen. Here's hoping to holiday 2022!
@@snickgamer4206 I have tried overclocking as well as undervolting using guides and whatnot over the years. Not much room to play with sadly without causing issues in game on my chip. I play mostly competitive games. Halo isn't a very well optimized game and I am not seeing anyone right now even with top shelf gear getting 240fps with it on competitive settings. I personally am getting between 100 and 150, big swings in FPS pending on map and what not. May have too lofty of expectations but I would like to be able to hit stable 165-200fps on it if possible. Ever since I got my 240 monitor a couple years ago my eyes have adapted to it and the jump from games that perform sub 200 really do make affect me now.
There ARE a lot of videos on this subject out there. But this was the most calm, concise, articulated, informative, and simplistic, explanation as to the cause and effect of the current situation. And the used gpu tier list at the end? It was plainly laid out, accurate, and informative as well. 10/10 the best video on this subject, hands down.
every aspect of your videos quality are going up! no wonder this one took some time to edit, love the different angles and the info bits. every video you make gets better and better. -watched on an optiplex.
Finally after months of community posts, we get the long-awaited upload. Welcome back! Sucks we're in a situation like this and I really wanted to build my first pc. Do you think black Friday deals would have an effect on the gpu prices? Don't want to be the one that paid my kidney for a gpu today and tomorrow, it's the price of a grain of bean
Haha... yeah, it's nice to finally get one uploaded. Took a lot off my chest. Sadly, I agree that there aren't going to be any deals on GPU for black Friday. In fact... I have a feeling that black Friday is going to be pretty crap this year all around.
buy it and build it, then the card will pay back to you the money, isi Or at least, last year was isi, next year who knows Why you didn't buy it before? With this crypto prices pc are gratis after few months :P
Got a GTX 1080, been on all the discord alerts for over a year and refuse to buy at scalped prices, and nothing..... im happy with GTX 1080 until I get something at MSRP. 3080FE is the one that got away..... but lets wait till 2022 and the new 3080 refresh with more VRAM. Good video dude. subbed
Glad to see you back making videos. Your list of get you buy GPUs is pretty close to what I'm going for. Trying to keep GPU inventory to a minimum, as the market could start moving at any moment. Currently got a gtx 960 4gb, 2 gtx 970 and a gtx 980ti. Been really impressed with the gtx 980ti although the current price (I got mine for £235) is still high.
A few years ago, people were saying things like "these are the best times to be a PC gamer" and whatnot. Every single aspect of PC building is increasing in price. Flagship CPUs used to cost $400, now they're $700, good mobos cost $150, really good ones cost $200 and the most overkill ones used to cost $300 - those prices are now $250, $350 and $800 respectively. Great dual tower coolers used to cost $50 and those were all that you needed, nowadays you need to spend $150 and above on simply cooling your high-end CPU (especially if you go Intel route that is). Decent PSUs are $150 and up, they used to be $100, the only good thing is that multi-GPU is dead so less people need 1000W or more. Also, people are paying stupid amounts of money for tiny ITX cases, material cost of which is a 1/4 of an ATX case.
I mean that's not technically true. Great current CPUs at the top of the product stack or second to top are 400, GPUs are 800 and motherboards are 150. PSUs are expensive but you'll never need anything more than a 700W PSU, EVER
I was one of those weirdos that decided to go against prevailing tech advice back in Feb 2020 to "Wait for the 30 series" I went ahead and built my PC adding the Gigabyte 2060 Super to my rig. So happy I did looking back at the last year! I see now I can comfortably wait this nonsense out for at least another 2 years. Glad to hear some common sense on the topic!
I was in the same exact boat, except I got a 2070 Super. It was my Birthday splurge and I did it back at the end of August, so I ended up one of the last people who could reliably pay MSRP for their card through this whole ordeal.
Best time to get a GPU was when nvidia announced the 3070 in summer 2020. You could get used 2080ti's for less than $500 for a few days, as people genuinely believed nvidia's MSRP then lol
@@Koubles 2070 super has a relatively low used price for whatever reason. Maybe not a great mining card? I got mine for 550€ in summer 2020 and now I could sell it for 700€ max. For comparison, I got my 3070 for 680€ in fall 2020 and now I could sell it around 1200€.
so after doing my research most by ur videos and some others on YT, I managed to get a Dell Optiplex 9010 with 3rd gen i7 and 8GB ram for about 85$ and then threw in ram upgrade, did some more research and bought an RX-580, managed to fit it in barely... had to change the SATA ports as u suggested in prev videos, upgraded the power supply to 450W and now I have a perfect gaming PC, heating is a bit of an issue but nothing fatal, just have to limit my fps to around 120-144 in 1080p and high settings, even that can be resolved with some fans but i haven't found the time to do it. Overall completely satisfied with the PC, can play any game I wanna, thank u for the vids. saved me a lot of headaches.
I've managed to get three GPUs through Newegg shuffle. They weren't necessarily what I would have chosen if the market has been "normal", but they were okay. Yes, they were bundled, which was not great, and yes, they were above launch MSRP, but at least they were not at scalper prices. At this point, I've stepped away from the market. I have what I need for now and have been able to get GPUs for myself and friends and family who needed PCs, I don't want to contribute to the madness. I'm ready to just ride it out at this point. I still register for the Newegg shuffle, but whereas originally I would taken anything that came along, now I'm more selective about what I would register for and what I would choose to purchase.
Same here. I got my second GPU through the shuffle last night, which will be going in a build for a friend of my nephews. The other went in a build for a friend. I also have gotten a couple through the EVGA queue. At this point I only enter the shuffle if there's something I can use at a price I find reasonable as well.
@@noname-mu6kn I've put all three to use one for my own build and two builds for other family members. It's not like I "won" them. I simply was given the opportunity to purchase them are inflated prices. It's all at random anyway.
@@boydolson5350 I was signing up every day for quite a while. I was surprised at the first selection, didn't think it would happen again, but it did, twice more, actually a total of four times. I'm at a loss to explain it. I was selected four times from April 2021 through August 2021. I had signed up for the shuffle every day just prior to April through just recently in November 2021 when I stopped.
Really like this video-- offering an objective explanation of the situation and practical advice instead of the usual shouting at the sky over the shortages approach in many other videos.
Nice. Been trying to find one for a good price for some testing. Still a great option, but people don't think it is because they have so many people telling them they need a 2000 series or newer to play anything.
Good for you pal you have your head screwed on right. I think this period of shortage has smacked loads of us around the head to get our prioritise right- I mean I play wow, mass effect but still love Wizardry8 I dont need a 3090 that!
I was able to get a GTX 1660 Super in a prebuilt PC that I bought for $1100 in June this year. I'm pretty new to the whole PC/GPU scene but I know the basics, and I consider myself kinda lucky that I got a pretty good PC with a good GPU for a reasonable price, and it runs all my games well. Now the only problem is gonna be picking a GPU when I decide to build my own PC.
I've managed to get my hands on a 3060 Ti, 5600X and B550 Tomahawk for an amazing price and I couldn't be more happy to replace my 6 y/o PC. The fact that I can sell my 1060 for almost the same price I paid for it is the cherry on top.
@@tehJimmyy yea, the price of a 3060 ti where I live is $1000 and I got the whole bundle for that. Considering that I could've sold the GPU and basically get the mobo and cpu for free.. it's an amazing price.
Well thank goodness you're back. It's been a nice to listen to a rational analysis of where we are. When Jensen announced the RTX 3080 it caused a depression in the value in GTX1080Ti GPUs. When he made the crack about it was finally safe to move away from Pascal that seemed to do the trick. I was fortunate enough to buy an EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW3 for $345. Quite frankly it seems to give me all the performance I need in a GPU for the games I play. What I really want to do is buy the correctly balanced motherboard, memory and CPU for this GPU. I want it to be second hand from EBay (as always). I'm currently running it in an old HP Z420 workstation with an E5-1650V2 CPU and I know the old cpu and motherboard are causing bottleneck issues with the outdated instruction set but I don't know enough about the next generations of six and eight core cpus to pick the sweet spot. I know I'm not your target demo (I'm a retired 66 year old) but I game Destiny2, Control, No mans Sky, Forza and in the past games like Witcher 3. Any suggestions on the most cost effective (retired, remember) CPU family would be gratefully received.
I guess that depends on how new you want to go. I think a 10700 is probably the best bang for the buck right now. I got a 10700K off eBay for $250 used. Then I got a Gigabyte Z590 board for about $150. That's a lot of system for under $400 and it should last you a while. If you want to go further back, I don't think there's enough to be gained unless you go to something like the 8th gen Intel system or the 2nd gen Ryzen systems. An 8600K doesn't have hypthreading, but it should still handedly beat the E5 1650 v2 is pretty much any test. There's just not much of an IPC gain. Buuuut... if you bought a 1440p monitor, you could bump up the resolution and get rid of you bottlenecking issues. The 3770 was able to fully utilize the 1080 Ti in my testing at 1440p, and a used 1440p monitor shouldn't be too expensive.
@@TheGameBench Oddly enough, that's where this all started. I daily drive a 1440p monitor and when I bought it, I quickly realized the RX580 didn't have the grunt to run it. Hence the GTX1080TI. Thanks for the direction of the 10700K and associated Z590 motherboard. I think this is the direction I'm going to go in because the GTX1080TI is going to be around for a couple of years more. Thanks for taking the time for the response.
Seriously, don't count out the Newegg shuffle. They aren't always combos, and the EVGA cards are much closer to MSRP. I've gotten picked twice. Got a 3080 for a friend to build him a PC, and a 5900X. It's a long shot, but easy to enter.
I stopped looking for a GPU. I've been gaming with a GTX 1080 so long, I realized I didn't need it that badly. Besides, the only reason I wanted one was for VR and most new VR headsets don't fit my IPD so I've kinda given up on VR for now. The 1080Ti FTW3 I have in my VR rig isn't even being used and I see no need to swap it into my regular gaming rig. I got tired of the Best Buy Shuffle, so I don't even check for cards that much. Ironically, Microcenter had 6800XT and 6900XT's in stock but I will never pay those prices.
Thanks, that was interesting. I appreciate the list of cards in a "won't make you puke" price range. My current system is >5 years old and starting to show signs of failing, so I'm hoping to put something together to beat that failure.
Thanks! I really appreciate that. I hope you can find something new soon. It's nice to be able to push the upgrade off. But a couple of people have commented that are in that situation where their GPU has died, or is in the process of dying. I really feel for them.
Glad to see you're back. I'm still running a 4gb 580 until I can get a 6700xt for cheap. Hope to see more videos. How about rehashing budget suggestions in this video with modern games and CPUs.
I ended up having to pay a very inflated price... but, I basically had no option. Things just will get more and more expensive in my country, and prices haven't EVER been at MSRP since launch here... so, before they get even more expensive, even though I spent most of the savings I had just on the GPU, at least I'm happy I'm finally updating my PC after 6 or so years. But hopefully things start going in a good direction soon. Also, you get a new subscriber today, great video! ;)
I'm both saddened and pleased that I'm still running with my old GTX 1660 Super ... I got it before the GPU prices went mad, but at the same time I'm sad that I couldn't get a good RTX capable card, and still won't be able to for a while, unless I pay an arm and a leg.
@@Grumpy_old_Boot Well if you want to buy a full system with a non scalped card I have a 3070Ti I need to get rid of along with a few other parts, I bought them to build a system for a friend and he decided he didn't want it...
One of the best videos about this topic I've seen. Very concise and he gives reasons for his statements. He gives me hope for the graphics card and tech market. I'm not expecting anything positive now but probably in a few years' time.
It's about the easiest way to get a GPU outside of paying a scalper on ebay. But last I checked, even MC's prices were pretty bad outside of EVGA cards, likely for the reasons I talked about in the video. If not... that's pretty awesome.
When rtx 30 was released I started to consider if my rtx2070 is now old junk? Now I feel like a king wielding the mighty RTX 2070. Nice vid btw. Fresh take with no duracell overload but just sensible talk. A new channel for me but following now
"now... if you are attached to your kidneys..." LOL!!!! In all honesty what a fantastic video Clint! Probably one of the best I've seen that really strikes hard down on the factual realities surrounding the GPU market right now, and not just trend leaching. Great job!
So... which of these options appeals to you the most? Have you thought about changing your mind on what you're going to do about getting your hands on a GPU, or did you already get you hands on one? And I need to issue a correction. The Evergiven is owned by Evergreen, a Taiwanese company, not a Chinese company. Next time I'll double check my sources.
I still don't understand why WE don't see rx470s and rx570 4gb variants flooding the market.. that makes me think there are more nefarious things going on in the background
@@monovengbitegheclaudearmel1441 It's absolutely due to some alt coins like Litecoin that they're still useful for mining. I imagine there's a lot of these hobbyist miners that are primarily mining Ethereum that are also using 4GB 4xx and 5xx cards to mine those coins. Perhaps when they can't mine Ethereum anymore, a lot of them will stop mining all together? There are a lot of 570 4GB models on eBay, they're just selling for $250. :/
I plan to wait. Current GPU is a middle of the 'road' RX 580 8gb. It's been modded with larger fans keeping it cool (90C) (yes that's what the damn thing runs all the time on).
I JUST got mine in the mail, ordered a couple weeks ago, I'm in canada and ended up paying 1K for a GTX 1660 Super Ventus OC, $100+ just to get it here.
I am just happy that this year developers are still making an aford to optimize games for gtx 1060 performance cards. With my 1650 I still expect to play Elden Ring and Dying light 2 just fine on medium setting in full HD with minimum 30 FPS. When this s-show ends, then I will consider to invest in more enthusiastic pc hardware. Unfortunately I don't expect the situation to improve considerably until Zen 4 comes out. By to improve I mean the situation when you can get a GPU at MSRP in your nearest shopping hall without any afford. There is a second peace of molded grain that will make the pc-gaming hobby even more out of reach for many people. According to some leaks the GPU performance will at least double in four to five years and we will be able to run 4k 144HZ affordlessly, but the prices will double too. Neither Nvidia nor AMD want the prices to drop and will increase the price of the flaships every year.
GPU space definitely needs more competition. I'm hoping Intel will force AMD and Nvidia to lower their prices in 4-5 years. Otherwise yeah, bleak times ahead.
The "solution" I came up with in regards to my new PC build was simply looking at the opposite end of the spectrum. In other words instead of trying to play new titles on overpriced hardware, I put together a Windows 98 system, which admittedly that can be a minefield in it's own right. But a Pentium 4 powered AGP era machine isn't on any miners radar. I already have a high end Windows 7 and XP build (offline platforms). I use Linux for a daily driver so I can get away without needing beefed up specs for a modern era machine. So it made logical sense to abandon modern era trends and roll back the clock a couple decades to a simpler time and simpler pricing. Ended up with a respectably powerful 98 build for under $250. The price made sense, it keeps some hardware from ending up in the e-waste pile, and it sticks it to modern era greed tactics bleeding consumers dry. Best of all, no DLC, no micro-transactions, no pre-ordering shenanigans, no mandatory net connection/accounts required, you just game and enjoy. Plus in keeping with tradition, it's a Dell Optiplex too. So it'll likely outlive the universe.
Ive been trying to buy 30 series since release end of last year. Ive been able to buy 3 this year(I have 3 pc) and 4 of my buddies got 1 ea. So you can get one at mspr, just takes patients/luck.
I managed to get a 1050ti at just above msrp and ive liked it quite well. Runs most of the games I play at a stable fps and is no louder than the liquid cpu cooler fans i have. I dont know much about the other cards you suggested, but from personal experience I would recommend it. You just have to find the right website selling for the right price
My 2 year old Evga 2080ti died a week ago and from what Im seeing I am completely screwed as far as getting a new card. For the first time in 20 years Im looking at dropping gaming altogether. This GPU situation is beyond ridiculous and I really just dont want to deal with it.
Keep in mind that the RX 570 for $250 right now is a 4GB model. I'd suggest trying to find a 6600 to replace it at closer to MSRP. While both are a rip off, the 6600 is far less of one.
I guess my frustration here is that, for all the stores within a 3 hour bus trip, the only cards being retailed for less than 2000 dollars are either the 210 the 710 or the 1030. As to the global economy jumping the shark, think that ship has sailed already.
Took an arrow to the knee and bought a RTX3060 for 690€... My previous card was a 750ti, so if I wanted to play anything new, i had no choice. I don't think prices will ever be as low as they were a year ago, even if crypto is not a problem, sellers now know that there is a market even at 2-3x price.
I've been looking for a 2080ti since 2017 I think, I've been waiting for YEARS to upgrade. I had to over pay to get my hands on a 6800 which is on par to about a 3070. The only reason I bought one was because a very small amount of them was dropped on newegg, so I instantly bought one since I probably won't get something for another few years. It doesn't help that I live in Canada. A game in the US costs 59.99, here it costs 79.99. So imagine that price hike with GPUs.
Also in Canada, i almost got my hands on a 3060ti at msrp but i was about 60min late. Its still possible, just have to line up sadly. Shop employee said about 8ppl this morning. I had 1080ti but sold it to my buddy expecting to be able to get one easily... making due with a 950 atm... its rough
And what are your thoughts now? Not looking to play out that way, as exactly what I said would happen... did. We're at the start of a recession and prices are falling fast.
@@TheGameBench I think you got a lot of things right, altho Intel is manufacturing its GPUs itself, or at least it should as it has the capacity and making the GPUs in China would defeat the purpose of becoming China/Taiwan independent by producing cutting edge silicone in the states. Also the Etherium 2.0 still isn't out, and the crash wasn't really related to it but rather overall economic downturn world-wide.
@@harryshuman9637 Sure, but I referenced an economic downturn as a possible reason. I knew it was going to come this year, be it before the merge, or around the same time. As for Intel, no... they outsourced their GPU's to TSMC. It's not so much about capacity, it's that they have no experience in making a GPU, and just because they make CPU's doesn't nessisarily translate. They would have to make a lot of changes and design a node from the ground up. TSMC just already had that with their N6 node. Hopefully they stick with it, even with how late they are to the game and the issues they've face with Arc. We need a third option.
Your evaluation on the cause of the cardpocalypse is spot on. Bonus points for the common sense look at current inflation. I got lucky on a EVGA 3060 xc 12gb on Facebook marketplace for 500 bucks open box. Thought it would be sketchy, but it's brand new had zero dust and the PCI teeth had no marks on them from installation, I even examined with a microscope.
Yep, about $200, give or take. Granted, they were selling for more than that at one point. And thanks! Hopefully the next video comes out quicker than seven months.
I'm so happy to see you again brother i missed your videos And I'm still looking for a PC unfortunately even i5-4590 /8gb/ it's still cost 300$ with the GPU like 1650 just be ready to pay 550$ all this in freaking Morocco so i decided to buy a PS3 instead i know it's a big mistake but i gave up in looking for a PC Anyway glad to see you and keep up the great work ✌️😊
Hey man... I'll bet that PS5 cost less than the Opti would have and it would leave in bloodied on the floor. Hard to beat the price to performance of the new consoles. I wouldn't hold it against you, as a console owner as well. I just don't want to see people give up on PC's entirely, but no problems with people grabbing consoles.
@@TheGameBench i gave up on PC cause of the stupid prices that's why i decided to buy a PS3 but if the prices go down I'll get back looking for a PC but for now no chance for me to get one specially in this trash country
I got lucky. Walked into a Best Buy one day, joked with the rep about the situation and he said well we do have a 3080ti. Paid MSRP. Which was still high, but way under scalpers prices. That's my only recommendation. Just pop in now and then. And yes it was EVGA
Do you know how I got my RTX 3090 for a reasonable price? Here in the EU, it's beyond improbable to get a 3090 under the price of €3,5k. So I resorted to absurd and drastic measures... I spent €4,125 on a prebuilt PC and sold all the components but kept the 3090. This stunt took me over 5 months to complete successfully, with a ''profit'' of €1,970. And I was extremely lucky! By spending essentially the same amount of money, you can buy one graphics card, OR a whole prebuilt PC (Case, Processor, RAM, Graphics Card, Mother Board, Cooling, etc.). Isn't it ridiculous?
Here in Hungary the 2090 TI prices went up by so much. I actually managed to sell mine off at $1400 or about 450.000HUF, then I bought a 3070 at the price of 340.000HUF or around $1100.
Have a completed rig minus GPU sitting on one of my workshop benches, it was hard enough getting a 5950X off Newegg back in April, but I never expected to sit this long in the EVGA queue. Also have been complete misses on Newegg so I just picked up a Xb Series X. After growing up mainly on consoles dating back to the SNES and then transitioning back to PC's fully around the time I was in HS/College around the Xbox One/PS4 releases, I can say i did honestly miss how much stuff "just works" on console versus PC. That said, the second I get my hands on anything 3080 or higher I doubt I'll use my Xbox SerX much, if at all.
@@achalnigam4710 Relative to most I guess maybe so, but really it was just a byproduct of $50/bwk to my "gaming fund" savings account. I was fortunate enough as a kid to have parents that taught me to save for things I want so since I was 12 I've been working. Plus my expenses are minimized elsewhere, I pre-make the same chicken salad M-Fri for work lunches, and otherwise I mostly eat/prepare food at home otherwise. I've gone from an initial idea of making a 5800X x RTX 3070 build to a 5950X x 3080 or higher just because I've had to wait so long so it just keeps adding up. I really want to get out of my current i3770 x GTX 1080 build but given the pandemic I'm not trying to spend money I don't have to. I guess I could've bought a scalped 3080 by now but I've been helping my parents out during the pandemic and they're a far greater priority for me than a GPU. TL;DR: Pay yourself first and spend money on what makes ya happy, don't waste money on stuff ads tell you to buy. Blessings and Good Fortune for you in the future!
Good news about GPU prices one day, the next day bad news. Eh.. you talking about that Graphically Challenged channel. lol. I was gaming on an Asus HD 6670 gdr3 1GB GPU, now am on a MSi GT 710 gdr5 2GB GPu, I needed my GPu to work with UEFI, secure boot and TPM hence the downgrade to a GPU with even worse FPS lol. Don't know when I will be able to afford a better Graphics card, but I ain't willing to pay absurd stupid prices for one. Anyway thumbs up on the Vid 👍
Abandon ALL hope, unfortunately: Ethereum has just started taking on a J-curve, which means that from here on out, its "value" shall rise EXPONENTIALLY! This means that graphics card prices will ALSO rise exponentially! And, this, in turn, will mean that the ONLY people who will continue to buy these graphics cards will be the miners! You see, when Ethereum becomes worth $1 MILLION per coin, then the miners will be more than willing to pay over $1 million for each graphics card! This is because, with Ethereum being THAT HIGH in value, a $1 million+ graphics card could pay for itself in just DAYS!
Based on what? First, I don't see Ethereum being valued at $1,000,000... and if it does, it won't be any time soon. That being said, it doesn't matter. Once Ethereum goes proof of stake, it can go as a high as it wants and it won't have any impact on GPU prices since it can't be mined with GPU's at that point.
Setup looks great. I’m with you, it’s probably not getting better soon and there are alternatives. And if you have a 2000 series card, you can wait. You don’t want to hear it, but you can wait.
Thanks man! I'm still trying to figure out what I want to do with the walls. I'd definitely agree. Anyone with the 2000 series card, waiting shouldn't even be a question.
I grabbed a 2080 Super February of 2020 after I got my taxes back, and in retrospect, I lucked out. I thought it was painful shelling out 750 at the time, but didn’t want to have to get an upgrade for a couple years. Now it’s almost gallows humor to look at what it would cost today.
My 7/8 year old GTX 970 is dying. I've had to restart my PC while watching this video because the display crashed. Despite that, my 970 is a fighter - she's all bruised and bloodied but she ain't giving up yet! I really don't want to buy a new GPU right now because the prices are just absolutely ridiculous. But your video just highlighted a lot of good points that I never really considered or knew about. I might have to swallow the bitter pill in the end, but I'm gonna wait till my baby (my 970, not an actual baby) breathes her last. Great video, mate! **thumbs up**
Thanks! And that hurts to hear. It's one thing to have to wait, but it sucks when you're hoping your GPU doesn't kick the bucket. Have you tried removing the drivers with DDU and installing the latest drivers from Nvidia? I find that solves a lot of issues. I've Windows Update download GPU drivers and seriously screw things up. This is always the first thing I try with GPU issues, and it fixes it 90% of the time. I've got a good walkthrough on the channel. It's called Testing and restoring a used mining GPU.
@@TheGameBench Hey thank you for the reply! Unfortunately, I have tried using different drivers. The oldest Nvidia driver I could find is 388.71 and the latest one proved futile as well. I've tried 2 other drivers - 442.74 and 471.41 to no avail too. But for what it's worth, that video got a Like from me either way. Cheers!
@@djsahilking3807 Thank for the tip, bro. Gave that a try -did not know that Afterburner worked with other brand GPUs. But still getting the screen freezes though :(
I've built my new PC in August 2020. Gone all out from my somewhat humble budget of ~$600 for an overclockable, good single-core performance CPU (ended up with a i5-9600K at a stable 4.5 GHz OC), a cheap, but Z390 motherboard, a pair of a good RAM sticks (16 GB, overclocked to 3600 MHz) and a decent NVMe SSD. As temporary solutions, I took a PSU from my old build from around 2012 and an old weak GPU (GTX750 1 GB) from my mother's PC, which was bought to replace an even older GPU, which my mom used to play The Sims 3. I wanted my future GPU to be RT-capable, so I thought to get a used or discounted RTX 2060/2060s whenever the 30xx gen comes out, and meanwhile use that beefy CPU for emulation of PS3, Wii U and Switch... So the 30xx series gets announced, with all those promises of affordability, so I got excited to get an RTX 3060/Ti, or heck, maybe even 3070 when those will come out! So I waited... and then the mining craze had happened. So here I am, rocking that weak 1 GB "The Sims 3 GPU" in 2021, unable to buy anything decent to replace it, except some equally temporary solution maybe. Oh well, at least I get a mostly good performance in emulators, so maybe it's not all that bad? _sniff_
I don't see Arc helping the situation. Intel said they won't be attempting to nerf mining. Seems to be fruitless anyhow. I seriously think this only ends when proof of work is done for. Hopefully they don't push it back again.
Man my gtx 680 is starting to really show it’s age I can’t even play new games because it crashes from the lack of driver support for Kepler gpu’s now I play games like far cry 2 because everything else crashes
I bought a GTX 950 back in February, it was fairly cheap and I'm pretty satisficed with it, I just hope it survives until the prices come down to reasonable.
I have been a pc gamer since playing the likes of manic miner on my zx spectrum plus, so I have resisted the quite understandable temptation to move to console. I will keep waiting it out, my gtx 1070 still gets by, I can't wait for the bubble to burst, hopefully 🤞
I literally built a new PC around the time the time the 5700XT was being released. I got top end CPU, MB, RAM, SSD etc, but kept my POS R9 200s GPU because Ampere was coming out soon. Needless to say when they released all the mayhem started.. My Rig looks amazing with only my methuselah of a GPU holding me back...Now I'm starting to get screen flicker, and GPU issues..I have a 1440p dual monitor setup, but I don't wanna shell out twice the amount for a GPU. 1080p sounds bleh to me, but I think for the sake of being smart, and having to have a GPU as I use my PC for work I may have to bite the bullet
I live in Europe and for the most part we never had that much of an issue with availability besides like the first month or two after the launch of 3000 series. The thing is we never really had them at MSRP (I heard some people have seen prices closer to to MSRP in spring, but can't confirm that), it was always like 2-3x the price. I could go online now buy a card and get it in a few days max. And I'm not talking about scalpers selling stuff online but decent retailers that get their cards from distributors abroad.
I just bought a 3060ti from best buy for 600(pre tax), but I feel like it was too much money but I am still excited and well, at least I got one, I pick it up in two days!!!(Gigabyte Aorus Eagle)
"After years of saving and waiting for the GPU prices to go back to normal, I finally got myself an RTX 3080!" -Anonymous, year 2077
lol at that year , it may be unusable to most applications or just trash really. you're just saying like using a ram stick from 1995 which only gives 16kb to 600kb ram on their computers. that memory is just trash.
But you still can't play CyberPunk 2077.
@@staffarmstrong5052 Because it will be in real life.
You got me on the 1st part ngl
Year 2077 still no graphic cards and CP2077 still broken.
I finally was able to get GPU at MSRP. I was on the EVGA waiting list for about 11 months now and they finally allowed me to purchase a 3060 Ti for $469 + shipping and tax.
This is what I love to hear. I was lucky enough to get in the first hour for a couple of the new cards, even then, it still took a while. But next to having a MC close by and the Newegg shuffle, this was one of the best ways to get a GPU. Sadly... they closed it down, but it was probably for the best.
What a steal wow today 3070 TI already 1,060 dollars at my place. Even with the Christmas discount still 700 dollars
@OneFortyFour I don't think that's true. They've seen what miners are willing to pay for GPU's. Like I said, their value is determined by their ability to mine Ethereum weighed against power consumption. Without mining, they're have to revert back to gaming performance as the pricing metric. I expect the 4000 series to be worse price to performance than the 3000 series was, even with the inflated ACTUAL MSRP, not the mining MSRP. But as long as some other coin doesn't step up in a short period of time, the 5000 series will likely have to take a step closer the launch MSRP's of the 3000 series.
But that's all provided that the government gets inflation under control and solves the supply chain issues. It really is a problem from a lot of different angles, even without miners.
@@astra7479 And if you look on ebay, they're selling for about $1,200.
@@TheGameBench now everytime i see yt videos 1 year ago saying msrp is 450 to 500 dollars it stings.
I've honestly just kept my old graphics cards. What's even more interesting is developers and even processor manufacturers are aware that most gamers are still using the 1000 series graphics cards. I have yet to see anything so extraordinary or "game-changer" to force me to switch. If I can get my hand on a 3070 at retain price, then great. If not, then oh freaking well.
In my opinion, it would be fantastic if they made separate graphics cards for miners and gamers.
They do make mining specific graphics cards. The problem is that what makes a GPU good for gaming also make it good at mining and there's really no way to stop them from using gaming graphics cards to mine. The fact that every measure that's been taken has been subverted shows that. Besides, gaming graphics cards are more desirable because they hold more value at resale. So the mining specific cards aren't as desirable to miners. Unfortunately.
you're one of the lucky ones. what about those of us who had a GPU die and now we can't get a replacement? you ever run an ultrawide monitor on a 650Ti? it's not fun. fuck each and every one of you etherium miners. I hope you lose every fucking dime you made when this shit inevitably crashes.
yup, still using my 1070ti. My only problem that I'm running in to now is VR. While I can play most VR games, I can't play at max settings and that's one of the few times you can really see how that affects it.
@@BattleToads yoo, i’m on a 650ti boost rn, waiting for my 3060ti after i sold my rx580
Same here. Keeping my 1080ti for another year or 2. I was about to build a new PC this year but with these ridiculously high prices, nope.
The quality of this video is absolutely ridiculous for the level of subs you have. I started watching back when you did the optiplex videos and it’s been crazy watching you grow. Great job man
Wow... thanks! Man... you should see my older videos. Wait, no.... don't look at my older videos.
@@TheGameBench I also said to my friends not to look at my older videos. It feels awkward but still part of channel history. 😂
This was the most interesting gpu video that I've watched. I can actually say I learned something, rather than listened to the same rants. Well done man thank you
Thanks! I was pretty tired of seeing the same people farming for clicks. There are a few others that have done a decent job. I think Hardware Unboxed does a pretty good monthly update to the situation as well.
Anyways, thanks for watching it and I'm happy you found it useful.
I refuse to pay $1600+ for an $800 GPU. I have just settled with playing games at lower FPS as my Vega 64 continues to be space heater and turbine engine simulator. Still able to hit high FPS marks in the competitive games I play mostly, though I was really hoping for a 6800xt or 3080 or higher by the time Halo came out but sadly that did not happen. Here's hoping to holiday 2022!
I am the same way even about $300 ones. This scalping is just silly and needs to be legislated out of existence!
Have you tried overclocking it will help vin getting better performance though becarefull since overclocking can damage your PC if you mess up
@@snickgamer4206 I have tried overclocking as well as undervolting using guides and whatnot over the years. Not much room to play with sadly without causing issues in game on my chip. I play mostly competitive games. Halo isn't a very well optimized game and I am not seeing anyone right now even with top shelf gear getting 240fps with it on competitive settings. I personally am getting between 100 and 150, big swings in FPS pending on map and what not. May have too lofty of expectations but I would like to be able to hit stable 165-200fps on it if possible. Ever since I got my 240 monitor a couple years ago my eyes have adapted to it and the jump from games that perform sub 200 really do make affect me now.
This is hands down the best explanation on how we're here in this gpu mess.
There ARE a lot of videos on this subject out there. But this was the most calm, concise, articulated, informative, and simplistic, explanation as to the cause and effect of the current situation. And the used gpu tier list at the end? It was plainly laid out, accurate, and informative as well. 10/10 the best video on this subject, hands down.
I started playing chess at 8K, 144 fps.
lol
every aspect of your videos quality are going up! no wonder this one took some time to edit, love the different angles and the info bits. every video you make gets better and better. -watched on an optiplex.
Respect! You really present the best and most intelligent big picture of the current situation.
Thanks! I really appreciate it.
Was watching a bunch of videos about this topic. This video pretty much summed up what I’ve gathered. Great work!
Finally after months of community posts, we get the long-awaited upload. Welcome back! Sucks we're in a situation like this and I really wanted to build my first pc. Do you think black Friday deals would have an effect on the gpu prices? Don't want to be the one that paid my kidney for a gpu today and tomorrow, it's the price of a grain of bean
Black Friday could care less about gpus, there isn’t gonna be a sale on something barely in stock. Other components could have good deals though.
Haha... yeah, it's nice to finally get one uploaded. Took a lot off my chest. Sadly, I agree that there aren't going to be any deals on GPU for black Friday. In fact... I have a feeling that black Friday is going to be pretty crap this year all around.
yes i built by monster system but for a card. will use my 780 till it gets better
buy it and build it, then the card will pay back to you the money, isi
Or at least, last year was isi, next year who knows
Why you didn't buy it before? With this crypto prices pc are gratis after few months :P
Got a GTX 1080, been on all the discord alerts for over a year and refuse to buy at scalped prices, and nothing..... im happy with GTX 1080 until I get something at MSRP. 3080FE is the one that got away..... but lets wait till 2022 and the new 3080 refresh with more VRAM. Good video dude. subbed
Awesome work! I really missed your videos and this one surpassed all expectations! I am glad you are back at it, take care!
Glad to see you back making videos.
Your list of get you buy GPUs is pretty close to what I'm going for. Trying to keep GPU inventory to a minimum, as the market could start moving at any moment. Currently got a gtx 960 4gb, 2 gtx 970 and a gtx 980ti. Been really impressed with the gtx 980ti although the current price (I got mine for £235) is still high.
A few years ago, people were saying things like "these are the best times to be a PC gamer" and whatnot. Every single aspect of PC building is increasing in price. Flagship CPUs used to cost $400, now they're $700, good mobos cost $150, really good ones cost $200 and the most overkill ones used to cost $300 - those prices are now $250, $350 and $800 respectively. Great dual tower coolers used to cost $50 and those were all that you needed, nowadays you need to spend $150 and above on simply cooling your high-end CPU (especially if you go Intel route that is). Decent PSUs are $150 and up, they used to be $100, the only good thing is that multi-GPU is dead so less people need 1000W or more. Also, people are paying stupid amounts of money for tiny ITX cases, material cost of which is a 1/4 of an ATX case.
Wait u till ddr5 comes out it's just gonna get worse
I mean that's not technically true. Great current CPUs at the top of the product stack or second to top are 400, GPUs are 800 and motherboards are 150. PSUs are expensive but you'll never need anything more than a 700W PSU, EVER
fun fact: the dumpster fire gif used at beginning was Route 51 Pittsburgh, PA. Crazy how far a local meme traveled.
I was one of those weirdos that decided to go against prevailing tech advice back in Feb 2020 to "Wait for the 30 series" I went ahead and built my PC adding the Gigabyte 2060 Super to my rig. So happy I did looking back at the last year! I see now I can comfortably wait this nonsense out for at least another 2 years. Glad to hear some common sense on the topic!
Sounds like you lucked out. And how much did you pay for that card back then?
@@frankstared just over msrp $420
I was in the same exact boat, except I got a 2070 Super. It was my Birthday splurge and I did it back at the end of August, so I ended up one of the last people who could reliably pay MSRP for their card through this whole ordeal.
Best time to get a GPU was when nvidia announced the 3070 in summer 2020. You could get used 2080ti's for less than $500 for a few days, as people genuinely believed nvidia's MSRP then lol
@@Koubles 2070 super has a relatively low used price for whatever reason. Maybe not a great mining card? I got mine for 550€ in summer 2020 and now I could sell it for 700€ max. For comparison, I got my 3070 for 680€ in fall 2020 and now I could sell it around 1200€.
so after doing my research most by ur videos and some others on YT, I managed to get a Dell Optiplex 9010 with 3rd gen i7 and 8GB ram for about 85$ and then threw in ram upgrade, did some more research and bought an RX-580, managed to fit it in barely... had to change the SATA ports as u suggested in prev videos, upgraded the power supply to 450W and now I have a perfect gaming PC, heating is a bit of an issue but nothing fatal, just have to limit my fps to around 120-144 in 1080p and high settings, even that can be resolved with some fans but i haven't found the time to do it.
Overall completely satisfied with the PC, can play any game I wanna, thank u for the vids. saved me a lot of headaches.
I've managed to get three GPUs through Newegg shuffle. They weren't necessarily what I would have chosen if the market has been "normal", but they were okay. Yes, they were bundled, which was not great, and yes, they were above launch MSRP, but at least they were not at scalper prices. At this point, I've stepped away from the market. I have what I need for now and have been able to get GPUs for myself and friends and family who needed PCs, I don't want to contribute to the madness. I'm ready to just ride it out at this point. I still register for the Newegg shuffle, but whereas originally I would taken anything that came along, now I'm more selective about what I would register for and what I would choose to purchase.
Same here. I got my second GPU through the shuffle last night, which will be going in a build for a friend of my nephews. The other went in a build for a friend. I also have gotten a couple through the EVGA queue. At this point I only enter the shuffle if there's something I can use at a price I find reasonable as well.
Lucky I haven’t won a shuffle yet, why u buy more even tho u already won😭
@@noname-mu6kn I've put all three to use one for my own build and two builds for other family members. It's not like I "won" them. I simply was given the opportunity to purchase them are inflated prices. It's all at random anyway.
Hey question my man how often does it seem new egg selects you for a shuffle because 3 seems like a lot
@@boydolson5350 I was signing up every day for quite a while. I was surprised at the first selection, didn't think it would happen again, but it did, twice more, actually a total of four times. I'm at a loss to explain it. I was selected four times from April 2021 through August 2021. I had signed up for the shuffle every day just prior to April through just recently in November 2021 when I stopped.
i’m drooling just seeing that 3080 ti
Really like this video-- offering an objective explanation of the situation and practical advice instead of the usual shouting at the sky over the shortages approach in many other videos.
And that was my goal. Glad to see that it's panned out.
Very nice job explaining this complex situation!
I just bought a used 980 on Facebook. It was pretty cheap and it’s still a beast to this day when it comes to the titles I’m interested in playing
Nice. Been trying to find one for a good price for some testing. Still a great option, but people don't think it is because they have so many people telling them they need a 2000 series or newer to play anything.
Good for you pal you have your head screwed on right. I think this period of shortage has smacked loads of us around the head to get our prioritise right- I mean I play wow, mass effect but still love Wizardry8 I dont need a 3090 that!
I was able to get a GTX 1660 Super in a prebuilt PC that I bought for $1100 in June this year. I'm pretty new to the whole PC/GPU scene but I know the basics, and I consider myself kinda lucky that I got a pretty good PC with a good GPU for a reasonable price, and it runs all my games well. Now the only problem is gonna be picking a GPU when I decide to build my own PC.
The 1660 super is a great card, don’t bother upgrading, especially with todays pricing.
Yo I was about to get one too I swear is the only way to get the card at a normal price, along with all the other parts tho
I've managed to get my hands on a 3060 Ti, 5600X and B550 Tomahawk for an amazing price and I couldn't be more happy to replace my 6 y/o PC. The fact that I can sell my 1060 for almost the same price I paid for it is the cherry on top.
"for an amazing price"
I'm assuming you bought a prebuilt to get every piece of hardware (especially the graphics card) around MSRP. If so, where did you buy it from?
@@tehJimmyy yea, the price of a 3060 ti where I live is $1000 and I got the whole bundle for that. Considering that I could've sold the GPU and basically get the mobo and cpu for free.. it's an amazing price.
@@mattpck I’m gonna just by a prebuilt with pretty good parts considering that a prebuilt with a 3080 is almost as much as the 3080 itself
Well thank goodness you're back. It's been a nice to listen to a rational analysis of where we are. When Jensen announced the RTX 3080 it caused a depression in the value in GTX1080Ti GPUs. When he made the crack about it was finally safe to move away from Pascal that seemed to do the trick. I was fortunate enough to buy an EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW3 for $345. Quite frankly it seems to give me all the performance I need in a GPU for the games I play. What I really want to do is buy the correctly balanced motherboard, memory and CPU for this GPU. I want it to be second hand from EBay (as always). I'm currently running it in an old HP Z420 workstation with an E5-1650V2 CPU and I know the old cpu and motherboard are causing bottleneck issues with the outdated instruction set but I don't know enough about the next generations of six and eight core cpus to pick the sweet spot. I know I'm not your target demo (I'm a retired 66 year old) but I game Destiny2, Control, No mans Sky, Forza and in the past games like Witcher 3. Any suggestions on the most cost effective (retired, remember) CPU family would be gratefully received.
U can get a z440 x99 motherboard on ebay for 65$ and a i7 5930k for 60$ on ebay too do u want the links?
I guess that depends on how new you want to go. I think a 10700 is probably the best bang for the buck right now. I got a 10700K off eBay for $250 used. Then I got a Gigabyte Z590 board for about $150. That's a lot of system for under $400 and it should last you a while. If you want to go further back, I don't think there's enough to be gained unless you go to something like the 8th gen Intel system or the 2nd gen Ryzen systems. An 8600K doesn't have hypthreading, but it should still handedly beat the E5 1650 v2 is pretty much any test. There's just not much of an IPC gain.
Buuuut... if you bought a 1440p monitor, you could bump up the resolution and get rid of you bottlenecking issues. The 3770 was able to fully utilize the 1080 Ti in my testing at 1440p, and a used 1440p monitor shouldn't be too expensive.
@@TheGameBench Oddly enough, that's where this all started. I daily drive a 1440p monitor and when I bought it, I quickly realized the RX580 didn't have the grunt to run it. Hence the GTX1080TI. Thanks for the direction of the 10700K and associated Z590 motherboard. I think this is the direction I'm going to go in because the GTX1080TI is going to be around for a couple of years more. Thanks for taking the time for the response.
I'll buy everything else I can except for the GPU. These prices are unreasonable.
Seriously, don't count out the Newegg shuffle. They aren't always combos, and the EVGA cards are much closer to MSRP. I've gotten picked twice. Got a 3080 for a friend to build him a PC, and a 5900X. It's a long shot, but easy to enter.
@@TheGameBench Evga over newegg shuffle?
@@TheDrop24 Better start mining ;)
The inability to buy one when I had planned has honestly turned me off the high end graphics hype. I'm no longer looking for a gpu, msrp or no.
I stopped looking for a GPU. I've been gaming with a GTX 1080 so long, I realized I didn't need it that badly. Besides, the only reason I wanted one was for VR and most new VR headsets don't fit my IPD so I've kinda given up on VR for now. The 1080Ti FTW3 I have in my VR rig isn't even being used and I see no need to swap it into my regular gaming rig. I got tired of the Best Buy Shuffle, so I don't even check for cards that much. Ironically, Microcenter had 6800XT and 6900XT's in stock but I will never pay those prices.
Thanks, that was interesting. I appreciate the list of cards in a "won't make you puke" price range. My current system is >5 years old and starting to show signs of failing, so I'm hoping to put something together to beat that failure.
Thanks! I really appreciate that. I hope you can find something new soon. It's nice to be able to push the upgrade off. But a couple of people have commented that are in that situation where their GPU has died, or is in the process of dying. I really feel for them.
Glad to see you're back. I'm still running a 4gb 580 until I can get a 6700xt for cheap. Hope to see more videos. How about rehashing budget suggestions in this video with modern games and CPUs.
Yep, I've been keeping my eye out for a cheap 960 or 980 for just that purpose.
@@TheGameBench I can get a 960 for $120, it's been around for a few weeks so I just figured it was priced high. Should I be grabbing that?
@@al2644 get it the are selling like crazy and if a gpu games grab it
I ended up having to pay a very inflated price... but, I basically had no option. Things just will get more and more expensive in my country, and prices haven't EVER been at MSRP since launch here... so, before they get even more expensive, even though I spent most of the savings I had just on the GPU, at least I'm happy I'm finally updating my PC after 6 or so years.
But hopefully things start going in a good direction soon.
Also, you get a new subscriber today, great video! ;)
I'm both saddened and pleased that I'm still running with my old GTX 1660 Super ... I got it before the GPU prices went mad, but at the same time I'm sad that I couldn't get a good RTX capable card, and still won't be able to for a while, unless I pay an arm and a leg.
I have a 3080 and trust me RTX is overrated. Don't worry about it too much until your 1660 dies.
@@LordMaliscence
Oh, I intent to use it until it dies, for sure.
Still would have been fun to have something new to play with.
@@Grumpy_old_Boot Well if you want to buy a full system with a non scalped card I have a 3070Ti I need to get rid of along with a few other parts, I bought them to build a system for a friend and he decided he didn't want it...
@@LordMaliscence
Alas, I have already spend my budget on something else .. the missus was happy though. 😁
But thank you for the offer.
@@LordMaliscence how can I get ahold of you ?
One of the best videos about this topic I've seen. Very concise and he gives reasons for his statements. He gives me hope for the graphics card and tech market. I'm not expecting anything positive now but probably in a few years' time.
Thanks! Hopefully we only have to wait until around June of next year.
My 1060 is still going strong, and serving my needs fine, so I'm just waiting for things to calm down a bit before thinking about an upgrade.
“Going strong” my 3GB 1060 can’t run pcvr thru oculus link 😭
You maybe also have to upgrade power supply lol, I have an 2080 TI but wanna get a 3090 ( when available at MSRP ) I would need to upgrade my psu too
@@weilynshadowfoot9948 VR is not within my needs. So yes, the card is going strong.
@@ishantkumar5423 I'm on a Xeon platform, so I have a lot more upgrades to do as well, but I'm in no rush.
@@ishantkumar5423 tf you need a 3090 for?
Stayed until the end and heard you were not sure about even making the video. Wanted to say thanks, it helped me out.
I really appreciate that. It makes all the difference knowing it's helped someone.
i am fortunate to live within 2 hours of a micro center. i've been able to get gpus fairly easily, but you have to take what's there that day.
GPUs?
MSRP?
It's about the easiest way to get a GPU outside of paying a scalper on ebay. But last I checked, even MC's prices were pretty bad outside of EVGA cards, likely for the reasons I talked about in the video. If not... that's pretty awesome.
@@ThreeBeingOne lmao
High level video along with also high level comments. Well done and hopefully this gpu shortage will come to a happy end. Take care folks 👍
When rtx 30 was released I started to consider if my rtx2070 is now old junk? Now I feel like a king wielding the mighty RTX 2070. Nice vid btw. Fresh take with no duracell overload but just sensible talk. A new channel for me but following now
"now... if you are attached to your kidneys..." LOL!!!!
In all honesty what a fantastic video Clint! Probably one of the best I've seen that really strikes hard down on the factual realities surrounding the GPU market right now, and not just trend leaching. Great job!
Dang man... I completely missed you comment nine months ago. Just scrolling through them again, as a reflection on the current situation.
@@TheGameBench all good broham!
So... which of these options appeals to you the most? Have you thought about changing your mind on what you're going to do about getting your hands on a GPU, or did you already get you hands on one?
And I need to issue a correction. The Evergiven is owned by Evergreen, a Taiwanese company, not a Chinese company. Next time I'll double check my sources.
I still don't understand why WE don't see rx470s and rx570 4gb variants flooding the market.. that makes me think there are more nefarious things going on in the background
@@monovengbitegheclaudearmel1441 It's absolutely due to some alt coins like Litecoin that they're still useful for mining. I imagine there's a lot of these hobbyist miners that are primarily mining Ethereum that are also using 4GB 4xx and 5xx cards to mine those coins. Perhaps when they can't mine Ethereum anymore, a lot of them will stop mining all together? There are a lot of 570 4GB models on eBay, they're just selling for $250. :/
I plan to wait. Current GPU is a middle of the 'road' RX 580 8gb. It's been modded with larger fans keeping it cool (90C) (yes that's what the damn thing runs all the time on).
wait
I JUST got mine in the mail, ordered a couple weeks ago, I'm in canada and ended up paying 1K for a GTX 1660 Super Ventus OC, $100+ just to get it here.
12K subscribers for the best video I've seen about this topic, you surely deserve more, and it will come anyways.
Thanks! I really appreciate that! I'm sure if were more consistent that number would be climbing a lot faster. But yeah... it'll get there.
I am just happy that this year developers are still making an aford to optimize games for gtx 1060 performance cards. With my 1650 I still expect to play Elden Ring and Dying light 2 just fine on medium setting in full HD with minimum 30 FPS. When this s-show ends, then I will consider to invest in more enthusiastic pc hardware. Unfortunately I don't expect the situation to improve considerably until Zen 4 comes out. By to improve I mean the situation when you can get a GPU at MSRP in your nearest shopping hall without any afford. There is a second peace of molded grain that will make the pc-gaming hobby even more out of reach for many people. According to some leaks the GPU performance will at least double in four to five years and we will be able to run 4k 144HZ affordlessly, but the prices will double too. Neither Nvidia nor AMD want the prices to drop and will increase the price of the flaships every year.
GPU space definitely needs more competition. I'm hoping Intel will force AMD and Nvidia to lower their prices in 4-5 years. Otherwise yeah, bleak times ahead.
The "solution" I came up with in regards to my new PC build was simply looking at the opposite end of the spectrum. In other words instead of trying to play new titles on overpriced hardware, I put together a Windows 98 system, which admittedly that can be a minefield in it's own right. But a Pentium 4 powered AGP era machine isn't on any miners radar.
I already have a high end Windows 7 and XP build (offline platforms). I use Linux for a daily driver so I can get away without needing beefed up specs for a modern era machine. So it made logical sense to abandon modern era trends and roll back the clock a couple decades to a simpler time and simpler pricing. Ended up with a respectably powerful 98 build for under $250. The price made sense, it keeps some hardware from ending up in the e-waste pile, and it sticks it to modern era greed tactics bleeding consumers dry. Best of all, no DLC, no micro-transactions, no pre-ordering shenanigans, no mandatory net connection/accounts required, you just game and enjoy. Plus in keeping with tradition, it's a Dell Optiplex too. So it'll likely outlive the universe.
Ive been trying to buy 30 series since release end of last year. Ive been able to buy 3 this year(I have 3 pc) and 4 of my buddies got 1 ea. So you can get one at mspr, just takes patients/luck.
Absolutely. I've gotten a few as well. A couple for personal systems, one for testing, and some for builds for other people. It's absolutely possible.
I managed to get a 1050ti at just above msrp and ive liked it quite well. Runs most of the games I play at a stable fps and is no louder than the liquid cpu cooler fans i have. I dont know much about the other cards you suggested, but from personal experience I would recommend it. You just have to find the right website selling for the right price
Thanks for the "Treat", well done. This was the most realistic comments on this subject I have seen yet.
And thanks for that. That's pretty much what I was going for.
My 2 year old Evga 2080ti died a week ago and from what Im seeing I am completely screwed as far as getting a new card. For the first time in 20 years Im looking at dropping gaming altogether. This GPU situation is beyond ridiculous and I really just dont want to deal with it.
On eBay you can get a used rx 570 for 250$ bucks. It can probably hold you over for a while that’s what I’m going to use for my pc.
Keep in mind that the RX 570 for $250 right now is a 4GB model. I'd suggest trying to find a 6600 to replace it at closer to MSRP. While both are a rip off, the 6600 is far less of one.
I guess my frustration here is that, for all the stores within a 3 hour bus trip, the only cards being retailed for less than 2000 dollars are either the 210 the 710 or the 1030. As to the global economy jumping the shark, think that ship has sailed already.
That very well could be. And I'm honestly surprised that the people that should have seen it coming earlier this year... didn't.
Awesome new vid, very informative. Also the remodel looks great!!
Thanks! Still need to decide what to do with the walls.
Took an arrow to the knee and bought a RTX3060 for 690€... My previous card was a 750ti, so if I wanted to play anything new, i had no choice.
I don't think prices will ever be as low as they were a year ago, even if crypto is not a problem, sellers now know that there is a market even at 2-3x price.
literally was wathing the ice melt 10/10
I recently bought a Xbox series s and it's perfect for gaming, but i still want my Optiplex build to be completed 😢
Optiplex was my first gaming pc and now I have a beast pc ryzen 7 Goodluck with ur build
@@capsikseason Nice, what gpu?
@@capsikseason thanks
@@nebe0719 6700xt and I have legion 5 gaming laptop witch has a rtx3060
Pretty awesome vid, good job. Guess that DIY is DYI, "Do Yourself Innit?" at the moment and will be for the next year too.
I've been looking for a 2080ti since 2017 I think, I've been waiting for YEARS to upgrade. I had to over pay to get my hands on a 6800 which is on par to about a 3070. The only reason I bought one was because a very small amount of them was dropped on newegg, so I instantly bought one since I probably won't get something for another few years.
It doesn't help that I live in Canada. A game in the US costs 59.99, here it costs 79.99. So imagine that price hike with GPUs.
Also in Canada, i almost got my hands on a 3060ti at msrp but i was about 60min late. Its still possible, just have to line up sadly. Shop employee said about 8ppl this morning. I had 1080ti but sold it to my buddy expecting to be able to get one easily... making due with a 950 atm... its rough
I think you might have your dates mixed up a bit, since the 2080 Ti came out in 2018, not 2017.
Great video dude i like how youve structured it
End? lol. Wake up and smell the roses. The market is dead.
The future is behind affordable APU-based systems.
And what are your thoughts now? Not looking to play out that way, as exactly what I said would happen... did. We're at the start of a recession and prices are falling fast.
@@TheGameBench I think you got a lot of things right, altho Intel is manufacturing its GPUs itself, or at least it should as it has the capacity and making the GPUs in China would defeat the purpose of becoming China/Taiwan independent by producing cutting edge silicone in the states.
Also the Etherium 2.0 still isn't out, and the crash wasn't really related to it but rather overall economic downturn world-wide.
@@harryshuman9637 Sure, but I referenced an economic downturn as a possible reason. I knew it was going to come this year, be it before the merge, or around the same time.
As for Intel, no... they outsourced their GPU's to TSMC. It's not so much about capacity, it's that they have no experience in making a GPU, and just because they make CPU's doesn't nessisarily translate. They would have to make a lot of changes and design a node from the ground up. TSMC just already had that with their N6 node. Hopefully they stick with it, even with how late they are to the game and the issues they've face with Arc. We need a third option.
@@TheGameBench TSCM makes the wafers and maybe chip printing, but they don't do GPU assembly.
@@harryshuman9637 Correct, but Intel likely farms that out as well.
Your evaluation on the cause of the cardpocalypse is spot on. Bonus points for the common sense look at current inflation. I got lucky on a EVGA 3060 xc 12gb on Facebook marketplace for 500 bucks open box. Thought it would be sketchy, but it's brand new had zero dust and the PCI teeth had no marks on them from installation, I even examined with a microscope.
GTX or rtx
@@andyt3364 all the 3 series cards are RTX
@@midship_nc I just got a rtx 3060ti for about 440$, a bit risky for me too man
@@midship_nc lmk if you want the site
Wow, my 1050tiis worth $200 on the market? I paid $80 for it just over a year ago haha.
Also great to see you back on here 😊
Yep, about $200, give or take. Granted, they were selling for more than that at one point. And thanks! Hopefully the next video comes out quicker than seven months.
Oh the "difficulty bomb" was postponed? Dammit, this will prolong the problem a lot
Yep... until June. Could happen a little earlier, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Glad to see you’ve uploaded. Very thorough and well written. Thank you for this!
Thanks! I'm happy to see the hard work that went into it payed off.
I've just decided to give up on a 3070 and see how long the 970 can carry me...
You are lucky to have that card. I have a ryzen 3 2200g with no gpu and I can’t play the 60$ game i just bought
I'm so happy to see you again brother i missed your videos
And I'm still looking for a PC unfortunately even i5-4590 /8gb/ it's still cost 300$ with the GPU like 1650 just be ready to pay 550$ all this in freaking Morocco so i decided to buy a PS3 instead i know it's a big mistake but i gave up in looking for a PC
Anyway glad to see you and keep up the great work ✌️😊
Hey man... I'll bet that PS5 cost less than the Opti would have and it would leave in bloodied on the floor. Hard to beat the price to performance of the new consoles. I wouldn't hold it against you, as a console owner as well. I just don't want to see people give up on PC's entirely, but no problems with people grabbing consoles.
@@TheGameBench i gave up on PC cause of the stupid prices that's why i decided to buy a PS3 but if the prices go down I'll get back looking for a PC but for now no chance for me to get one specially in this trash country
@@khalilsiar5599 Yeah, it's bad enough for you guys when the price aren't grossly inflated.
I got lucky. Walked into a Best Buy one day, joked with the rep about the situation and he said well we do have a 3080ti. Paid MSRP. Which was still high, but way under scalpers prices. That's my only recommendation. Just pop in now and then. And yes it was EVGA
a normal person doing a youtube video for once.. subed
Do you know how I got my RTX 3090 for a reasonable price?
Here in the EU, it's beyond improbable to get a 3090 under the price of €3,5k. So I resorted to absurd and drastic measures...
I spent €4,125 on a prebuilt PC and sold all the components but kept the 3090.
This stunt took me over 5 months to complete successfully, with a ''profit'' of €1,970. And I was extremely lucky!
By spending essentially the same amount of money, you can buy one graphics card, OR a whole prebuilt PC (Case, Processor, RAM, Graphics Card, Mother Board, Cooling, etc.). Isn't it ridiculous?
Here in Hungary the 2090 TI prices went up by so much. I actually managed to sell mine off at $1400 or about 450.000HUF, then I bought a 3070 at the price of 340.000HUF or around $1100.
@@optie5Nice move!
We have to get creative and take any chance, man.
Have a completed rig minus GPU sitting on one of my workshop benches, it was hard enough getting a 5950X off Newegg back in April, but I never expected to sit this long in the EVGA queue. Also have been complete misses on Newegg so I just picked up a Xb Series X.
After growing up mainly on consoles dating back to the SNES and then transitioning back to PC's fully around the time I was in HS/College around the Xbox One/PS4 releases, I can say i did honestly miss how much stuff "just works" on console versus PC.
That said, the second I get my hands on anything 3080 or higher I doubt I'll use my Xbox SerX much, if at all.
Richie rich
@@achalnigam4710 Relative to most I guess maybe so, but really it was just a byproduct of $50/bwk to my "gaming fund" savings account. I was fortunate enough as a kid to have parents that taught me to save for things I want so since I was 12 I've been working.
Plus my expenses are minimized elsewhere, I pre-make the same chicken salad M-Fri for work lunches, and otherwise I mostly eat/prepare food at home otherwise.
I've gone from an initial idea of making a 5800X x RTX 3070 build to a 5950X x 3080 or higher just because I've had to wait so long so it just keeps adding up. I really want to get out of my current i3770 x GTX 1080 build but given the pandemic I'm not trying to spend money I don't have to.
I guess I could've bought a scalped 3080 by now but I've been helping my parents out during the pandemic and they're a far greater priority for me than a GPU.
TL;DR: Pay yourself first and spend money on what makes ya happy, don't waste money on stuff ads tell you to buy.
Blessings and Good Fortune for you in the future!
@@zachary2010 Damn man. Respect for you brother.
Good news about GPU prices one day, the next day bad news. Eh.. you talking about that Graphically Challenged channel. lol.
I was gaming on an Asus HD 6670 gdr3 1GB GPU, now am on a MSi GT 710 gdr5 2GB GPu, I needed my GPu to work with UEFI, secure boot and TPM hence the downgrade to a GPU with even worse FPS lol. Don't know when I will be able to afford a better Graphics card, but I ain't willing to pay absurd stupid prices for one. Anyway thumbs up on the Vid 👍
Interesting, thank you for this!
No problem. Thanks for watching!
Nice sane and even keeled advice. Good analysis and reasonable predictions even with so much unknown.
Thanks! Nice to hear that all the work paid off. I'm happy you found it informative.
I just hope the mining bubble pops as soon as possible, this is just unbelievable
Abandon ALL hope, unfortunately: Ethereum has just started taking on a J-curve, which means that from here on out, its "value" shall rise EXPONENTIALLY! This means that graphics card prices will ALSO rise exponentially! And, this, in turn, will mean that the ONLY people who will continue to buy these graphics cards will be the miners! You see, when Ethereum becomes worth $1 MILLION per coin, then the miners will be more than willing to pay over $1 million for each graphics card! This is because, with Ethereum being THAT HIGH in value, a $1 million+ graphics card could pay for itself in just DAYS!
Based on what? First, I don't see Ethereum being valued at $1,000,000... and if it does, it won't be any time soon. That being said, it doesn't matter. Once Ethereum goes proof of stake, it can go as a high as it wants and it won't have any impact on GPU prices since it can't be mined with GPU's at that point.
Setup looks great. I’m with you, it’s probably not getting better soon and there are alternatives. And if you have a 2000 series card, you can wait. You don’t want to hear it, but you can wait.
Thanks man! I'm still trying to figure out what I want to do with the walls. I'd definitely agree. Anyone with the 2000 series card, waiting shouldn't even be a question.
I grabbed a 2080 Super February of 2020 after I got my taxes back, and in retrospect, I lucked out. I thought it was painful shelling out 750 at the time, but didn’t want to have to get an upgrade for a couple years. Now it’s almost gallows humor to look at what it would cost today.
in europe you cant find 1070 for less than 450 usd(2nd hand) and cant find anything except 2k usd 3080 and 3060 for 1.2k which is ridiculous
nice vid, ready 4 the next 1
My 14 year old brother wants a gaming pc for his next Birthday. So we are looking for a RTX 3080 in May 2022.
Maybe we are going to be lucky
Great video man, glad to see you uploding again.
My 7/8 year old GTX 970 is dying. I've had to restart my PC while watching this video because the display crashed. Despite that, my 970 is a fighter - she's all bruised and bloodied but she ain't giving up yet!
I really don't want to buy a new GPU right now because the prices are just absolutely ridiculous. But your video just highlighted a lot of good points that I never really considered or knew about. I might have to swallow the bitter pill in the end, but I'm gonna wait till my baby (my 970, not an actual baby) breathes her last.
Great video, mate! **thumbs up**
Thanks! And that hurts to hear. It's one thing to have to wait, but it sucks when you're hoping your GPU doesn't kick the bucket. Have you tried removing the drivers with DDU and installing the latest drivers from Nvidia? I find that solves a lot of issues. I've Windows Update download GPU drivers and seriously screw things up. This is always the first thing I try with GPU issues, and it fixes it 90% of the time. I've got a good walkthrough on the channel. It's called Testing and restoring a used mining GPU.
@@TheGameBench Hey thank you for the reply!
Unfortunately, I have tried using different drivers. The oldest Nvidia driver I could find is 388.71 and the latest one proved futile as well. I've tried 2 other drivers - 442.74 and 471.41 to no avail too.
But for what it's worth, that video got a Like from me either way. Cheers!
@@sparrowhawke just install msi afterburner take memory slider to -500 that should do the trick that's how my 7 year old 750ti is alive 🤣 😂
@@djsahilking3807 Thank for the tip, bro. Gave that a try -did not know that Afterburner worked with other brand GPUs. But still getting the screen freezes though :(
That must be like a prisoner on death row not knowing when they’ll be executed
I've built my new PC in August 2020. Gone all out from my somewhat humble budget of ~$600 for an overclockable, good single-core performance CPU (ended up with a i5-9600K at a stable 4.5 GHz OC), a cheap, but Z390 motherboard, a pair of a good RAM sticks (16 GB, overclocked to 3600 MHz) and a decent NVMe SSD. As temporary solutions, I took a PSU from my old build from around 2012 and an old weak GPU (GTX750 1 GB) from my mother's PC, which was bought to replace an even older GPU, which my mom used to play The Sims 3.
I wanted my future GPU to be RT-capable, so I thought to get a used or discounted RTX 2060/2060s whenever the 30xx gen comes out, and meanwhile use that beefy CPU for emulation of PS3, Wii U and Switch...
So the 30xx series gets announced, with all those promises of affordability, so I got excited to get an RTX 3060/Ti, or heck, maybe even 3070 when those will come out! So I waited... and then the mining craze had happened.
So here I am, rocking that weak 1 GB "The Sims 3 GPU" in 2021, unable to buy anything decent to replace it, except some equally temporary solution maybe. Oh well, at least I get a mostly good performance in emulators, so maybe it's not all that bad? _sniff_
I just listened to a TH-cam by RabidMiner. The guy said miners are going to be all over INTEL ARC. So, GPUpocalypse will not be over.
I don't see Arc helping the situation. Intel said they won't be attempting to nerf mining. Seems to be fruitless anyhow. I seriously think this only ends when proof of work is done for. Hopefully they don't push it back again.
I overpaid for a $400 1650 Super off of ebay back in February. Super happy I did. Prices are even hogherd now.
Man my gtx 680 is starting to really show it’s age I can’t even play new games because it crashes from the lack of driver support for Kepler gpu’s now I play games like far cry 2 because everything else crashes
I'm using a 970 to get by until RTX cards don't cost an arm and 2 legs. It's surprisingly good considering it's age. Great video, liked & subscribed!
Arm and a leg is one thing but a arm and two legs is too much
I bought a GTX 950 back in February, it was fairly cheap and I'm pretty satisficed with it, I just hope it survives until the prices come down to reasonable.
Great video man!
What if we all stopped paying high prices and didn’t buy a single GPU for a year? Bet producers would freak out
" Great-video. Haha, you must be a Chris Farley fan."
I have been a pc gamer since playing the likes of manic miner on my zx spectrum plus, so I have resisted the quite understandable temptation to move to console. I will keep waiting it out, my gtx 1070 still gets by, I can't wait for the bubble to burst, hopefully 🤞
I literally built a new PC around the time the time the 5700XT was being released. I got top end CPU, MB, RAM, SSD etc, but kept my POS R9 200s GPU because Ampere was coming out soon. Needless to say when they released all the mayhem started.. My Rig looks amazing with only my methuselah of a GPU holding me back...Now I'm starting to get screen flicker, and GPU issues..I have a 1440p dual monitor setup, but I don't wanna shell out twice the amount for a GPU. 1080p sounds bleh to me, but I think for the sake of being smart, and having to have a GPU as I use my PC for work I may have to bite the bullet
I live in Europe and for the most part we never had that much of an issue with availability besides like the first month or two after the launch of 3000 series. The thing is we never really had them at MSRP (I heard some people have seen prices closer to to MSRP in spring, but can't confirm that), it was always like 2-3x the price. I could go online now buy a card and get it in a few days max. And I'm not talking about scalpers selling stuff online but decent retailers that get their cards from distributors abroad.
So it seems the distributors were scalping to the retailers how then have to mark it up a little to make a little money.
My mom forced me to sell my PC with a GTX Titan X for 300 dollars. Finding a GPU has become hell.
Yeah we'll be going from "we're trying to make it possible for you to buy one someday" to "we're not even trying anymore, good luck"
Amazing Video brother 👍
Thanks!
Thanks for the the video , puts everything in perspective.
Thank! Glad you found it helpful.
I just gave up will see what happens next year.
If not I'll find something else to do.
Places like Microcenter finally has some GPU's, but they're still close to scalper prices, and are not MSRP because of the market.
I am continuing to use my current GPU (GTX 1070), and waiting until prices are reasonable again.
I just bought a 3060ti from best buy for 600(pre tax), but I feel like it was too much money but I am still excited and well, at least I got one, I pick it up in two days!!!(Gigabyte Aorus Eagle)