Tesla Solar: 3 Years Later
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Used to install solar along with the Tesla Power Packs at a solar company I was working for. Definitely worth the money in the long run. Also heard a story of when one of the recent hurricanes came along, a family had the Tesla power bank installed in their house and they were the only ones with power while others didn't have it for weeks. Just some food for thought.
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Nothing like FUD to convince people.
As a german I can't even imagine this. We recently had no power for a couple of hours twice, and even that was already annoying enough :D I think even just to know that this won't ever happen to me I would use it. I mean it's already a great deal on it's own, a really durable and great looking roof that on top of that produces power if you get the solar roof rather than only solar itself, which is often going to be a really good choice.
Wow that Tesla solar panel must be Hurricane proof. or USA is such pathetic country that need weeks to restore power from small gust of wind. not to mention all other brand also pathetic since they get blown away and yet Tesla not .
Thank you for the informative video.
I live in the Seattle area. I have an 8 kW grid tied system with no battery back up. Got the system installed in August 2014. At the same time replaced the 30 year old furnace with a heat pump & backup high efficiency furnace, old water tank with on demand hot water, all incandescent lights with LED’s and added more insulation in my attic. Just like you, we had really good incentives that have been slowly phased out, except we still have net metering. Even with the variable Seattle weather running the heat pump for heating and cooling and charging two Tesla’s (no gasoline bills), we manage to generate about 63% of our annual electricity need. We still have a number of years before we pay for the system. Even so, I still feel it was worth the expense getting the system so that we can drive clean solar powered automobiles!
I've been driving EVs for 5 years & got solar panels earlier this year. Prior to EVs I was paying $150 + per month for gas and my electric bill averaged $120 per month. I'm paying $200 per month on my solar loan, so right off the bat I'm saving $70 per month!
(Based on 7 months of use I estimate my solar will produce enough to cover my EV & home usage with enough to spare for future growth!)
IMO, at least for So Cal, solar is a no brainer! (The above does not take incentives into account!)
The Jon Rettinger reviews have matured so much. I loved jon4lakers and the techno buffalo times, but I'm enjoying those in depth "heart to heart" kind of reviews a lot. Please keep them coming! We need more conversation in reviews than flashy clickbaits. Jon had stayed true to his calling of giving us the best in-depth analysis of the product based on his experience.
One day, I'm planning on getting renewable source, but I'm in the north east, so it's probably trickier here.
I wonder if the Tesla power wall plays nice with other forms of renewables than solar.
I appreciate you.
The one interesting part about this for me was the fact that you can sell the electricity back to the grid, I'm from Mexico and in here any energy that I generate extra with my solar panels are not payed back, I'd be gifting electricity, so my house has a little bit les panels so that I still pay a little fee every month.
you should just mine crypto
South Africa is only allowing elec buy backs now so maybe your country will soon
You can store the energy in your batteries, then use that to power your house at night. With LFP batteries, you can charge and discharge many, many times without degrading the battery.
I installed solar in illinois using a local installer and enphase micro inverters. 10.9 kw grid tie for 23K in 2018. Federal tax credit was $7K. MY local grid power costs about 10 cents/kwhr, but I still would do it again. $37 per month gas and electric bill 9 months of the year. I save $2500 per year off my energy bill. So 16K/2.5K = 6.5 year payback.
California has massive capacity for this sort of generation, should probably be included in all new homes built in the south west US.
I've watched many Tesla solar glass roof and solar panel videos over the years, including your previous video. I'm purchasing a home within the coming months and was looking at Tesla's website for solar last night, then this video arrives. Good timing. Haven't watched yet but I suspect it'll be good.
Hope you found it helpful.
I got mine. They came and installed (May 6) a few weeks after I ordered. It took them 4.5 months to send in the paperwork to Nevada Power. Nevada power installed the reverse meter 2 weeks later. Fired up the system and it was not working. Had to wait another 26 days until a tech could get out and fix it. Finally up and running on October 26th. My buddy waited over 4 months for his to finally get working. Be ready to wait. I'm apparently not the only one. The forums are loaded with the same complaints.
Great video! Been watching you since the early iPhone days and your jon4lakers channel.
Oh hell yeah I remember his John for Lakers name. That hardcore iPhone fanboy
Appreciate you!
Of course Solar works in SoCal, rates are $0.30 / kwh from SoCal Edison or higher. I pay $0.10 kwh in Houston so it really does depend on location. PS - Texas has more renewable energy production than any state. So, even with the very low rates here there is also a lot of renewable.
What about warranties?? Roof, equipment, and production??? Is this included in the cost?
Now do an updated video on if it’s worth it with Nem 3.0? This going into effect April of this year has made the whole getting solar question a lot more complicated. I too live in SoCal but fall under SDGE so really struggling with making a decision on Solar. Thanks
Jon is a huge Tesla boy👍
I have two Powerwalls, as well. They are a game changer.
I pay $25 for electricity on average per month at my house. No solar cells. $400-500 is bonkers.
The audio-video synchronisation is killing me (or lack of it) 😂
Am in UK so unlucky! 😂 This was a really interesting video Jon, thanks man 🙏🏻 appreciate you sharing the full costs and monthly and all that. In SoCal I can really see how good this is gonna be and with an EV, just superb. This would be a superb investment if you can afford it, especially long term returns yeh. Interesting….. 😃👍🏻 Great idea.
Thank you!
That's the whole thing, very few can afford it, even with "government incentives", which is basically government covering part of the cost with tax payers' money. Considering that it's mainly the higher earners who can afford these luxury investments, you pretty much end up having poor people partially funding rich people's green dreams.
Hi Jon You mentioned in your video towards the end something called one app for your car in solar can’t seem to find it there another name for it
Thank you for this video! I too am in SoCal and just had SunRun come over. As a Tesla owner I still want to talk to them. Tired of paying $600 during the summer months running the A/C and the pool. I’m just trying to figure out how this whole tax credit thing benefits me. Appreciate it.
What is the true state of Tesla solar these days? I've been interested in installing solar here and my research, especially into pitfalls, threw up a lot of stories that Tesla solar was failing due to installation delays, installation problems and problems with software essentially locking out users. There is just enough negative information to make me hesitate yet many early adopter youtubers seem to say the opposite. I'm struggling to discern which information is accurate or what the true state of things is.
Hi! The delays are usually depends on the City/county that you live in. Riverside County and Temecula, California are the worst AHJ, in So Cal. The Approved plans have to match the install perfectly. If a Repermit is needed, it can take 1 month to get them back. San Diego City and SD County allows revisions in the field and it speeds the inspection up.
The age of your house is important to. If you have an older house, a Tesla site surveyor should come out to check your roof and Main Panel condition. They will take pics and decide the easiest place to put the equipment. It’s important to communicate where you want the equipment to be installed at..
If you have a newer house then you may be asked to upload pictures. Example of an delay: The equipment located will be based off, what’s the simplest for install. If there’s no room on the outside walls and you have shelving inside the garage, the designer may put the equipment inside the garage. During the install, if you decide you want the equipment moved to behind the fence, your local city may require a plan change.
The Good news is Tesla has the PowerWall+, which is an updated PowerWall with the solar inverter integrated together. What’s really cool is, After the install, the Electrician will leave the PowerWall+ in the ON position! You can use the solar and battery back up the same day of install. When the battery is full, the solar will turn off because you’ll still need Permission to Operate. Once you get PTO, your system will update and will start sending excess power to the Utility.
PowerWall+ can be combined with PowerWall for additional power back up. You can decide if you want a Full Home back up or a Partial Home Backup. If you have the Partial Home Back, and if the Utility power goes out, any loads that are Not in your Backup Load Center will loose power. Usually, AC units Pool Pumps don’t get backed up. However, if your solar is producing 7kw and your AC unit uses 3kw, then your solar should be able to power the rest of your house and charge the battery, slowly… Your system size should be based off your current energy consumption and the size of your main panel. x1 PowerWall+ is good for a small/medium size house. See Tesla.com they have the configurator there.
Note: If you get solar only, after inspection, the system has to stay OFF until you get PTO.
Summary: Delays usually are the results of plan changes / Repermits.
Just had mine installed and only took about 2 months or so to get it all up and running. Loving it.
I live in southern IL and pay a FLAT RATE of about 13 cents per kW. e live in a new high efficient 2 bed/2 bath villa of about 1800 sg ft. My 12-month average for my electricity is $124/mo. We also own a Tesla Model Y and are retired so we only drive about 600 miles monthly. Is it worth going solar?
So did you get a Tesla roof? Or is it just panels with Tesla battery?
The new incentives have recreated this situation again. And its making storage cheaper now too.
Also do you plan on getting a smart Power circuit panel?
I have had Tesla solar and a Power Wall for a year and I have gotten rid of my electricity bill and generate positive cash flow. I got a 4kw system with a Power Wall. It cost me $17,000. I live in California on the central coast and have limited AC needs.
Off the records on this, but where did what brand is that T Shirt you have on? were can buy that from?
Even in The Rainy Netherlands it is very interesting. However if you can’t sell it back to the grid you need those batterys. Here in Holland that is now almost not affordable.
When you pay off the panels I wonder if they will still be working the way they are when you bought them? I heard they don’t charge the way they did when they are new. They lose their charging capability over time.
How many thousands of $$$ have you get back from the utility company? that buy back program etc
We just got PTO for our solar roof 1/22. Yay! We are in CA with PG&E service. I may have to wait to see the updates on our electric bill.
We recently got Tesla MY. When is the best time to charge the car? We have a Tesla Wall Charger. Do we charge during the day when the sun is out generating solar energy? Or do we charge at at midnight? What’s your recommendation?
New home being built I can't wait to install this in my home
Do they come out and install it or you have to hire someone
Thanks for the video and sharing your experience with Tesla Solar after certain years. But would like to know is, since you do own Tesla EV and also got Tesla powerwall with the Solar. Do you recommend charging the EV during the day when the sun is up or during night hours?
Is the powerwall worth it or necessary?
Both
Put a 25K$ big system on my place. It was fantastic for 2 months, then the inverter went bad, and I am now waiting 4 months and counting for a new one, running up the power bills i am supposed to be avoiding. Tesla says don't blame them, the inverter was sent to the wrong address? Huh? what a load of crap.
Hi, thanks for the great video. I have a small question, having 11kW of panels on average how much electricity does it produce daily? or what's the wattage coming from it at the peak hours?
Thanks in advance.
I have never seen "mos" used as an abbreviation of Month. Why wouldn't you just use "pm" obviously an abbreviation of "per month", just like "pw" is per week.
awesome video ! thank u
Hey Jon! Did you take that fly by of Corona? Looks beautiful!
I would prefer the solar roof shingles but understand why you bought the panels. Costs are important. What does it cost you to renew your tabs or plats in California on the Tesla car? I have a difficult time believing the politicians would let you use the roads and not pay an equivalent to gas taxes. Nice video.
People buy and install natural gas generators for their homes and never even think about payback periods or the monthly cost for fuel or maintenance. These natural gas generators need an annual oil change and battery replaced every few years. Solar panel are basically maintenance free.
You reserve 7% capacity and that lasts for hours? 1.8 kWh seems like it wouldn’t cover a day of your usage (at the bills you mentioned)
I think these backup systems work well if the power goes out in the daytime, but if it went out at night you’d be without power until the sun came up the next morning
What company do you use for Tesla solar financing, did you use Tesla financing
In Eastern Europe, our electricity bill would never go over 20$. And that is with running air conditioning during summer etc.
I watched some reports that depending on the region and partners Tesla worked with for installation ppl had some really bad to basically non existent customer service when their roof was not working though.
I think at one point you misspoke and said you leased the system. Then you said you have a loan to pay off. If you lease the system then you forfeit your tax incentives to the install company. With a loan you keep the tax incentives. I've seen many people say to absolutely NOT lease the systems.
Tesla isn't here for me yet, but in Louisiana my power bill is $90 in the summer. Power is cheap here so i guess that's why.
Is there any other company that makes power packs beside tesla?
Yep I definitely want and made a call just to get a quote.
Great video! Could you please talk about the maintenance and cleaning process?
Fyi, any solar company that is good will work. Don't have to get solar from Tesla as it's more expensive usually too.
Solar panels are all the same for the most part. Just check their kWh size, #of panels, warranty, etc.
Tesla VPP - Virtual Power Plant from solar and Powerwalls. The Future. I live about 15 minutes from you. It’s awesome to see you as an early adopter of the future trend that Tesla is creating. With Tesla stock, I’ve made over 7 figures, but I’m waiting before I spend a penny. I’m being Smart. The new Supercharger on Culver is nice, but often I find that my Model 3 receives charge from my garage (240V) every night. (My house is in LF - next door city). Every day I see more and more Teslas!!! Their Q3 2021 was excellent. It’s amazing what Tesla is doing. From AI/dojo to designing and making their own semiconductor chips!!! 🤯. To Energy management (btw, IVC college has a Megapack hooked up to the solar cells. You can look at the Megapack if you go over there - on the inside it says “TESLA.” 😁) to the Software that powers the Robots in their Gigafactories (including Austin and Berlin). Take care! I’m sure I’ll have Tesla solar and a Powerpack on my house next year.
Hey neighbor!
Thanks for sharing. I was concerned that Tesla uses string inverter, instead of micro ones. No issues during the 5 years?
Only issue with string inverter is if one panel goes down they all do. Not true with micro inverter
Incredible lighting in this! Going to hunt for a BTS vid 🤞
In principal any solar provider who also does battery banks is a good idea for those who can afford it. But we are experiencing a pandemic so materials are back ordered for a year, and counting. We won’t know how long until panels start showing up, something that has not happened since October of 2020.
$250 a month for 120 months (10 years) That's about $30K, so did you actually put $20K down payment to offset the $50K purchased cost?
A laptop with a stand? Never seen one of those before!
Sounds like a huge issue with the rest of the machine, rather than a feature
my electric bill is $60-80/month... doesnt make any sense for me to get panels :'(
$50k investment? I am on gas heat here in SC (not much winter) and my largest bills in summer are around $125-$140 per month. Insane to live in Cali....
How much is your gas bill in the winter on average?
500$ per month? I live in Germany and my wife and I use only a tenth of that. I pay around 50$ per month... And we pay almost 70% more per kwH compared to California. 😅
So I wonder if all that electricity is going into air conditioning!?? 👀
Klimaanlage, Elektroauto zuhause laden und die haben 3 Kinder also auch ein entsprechend großes Haus. Dafür haben die so gut wie keine Heizungskosten :)
Und Sprit kosten sind ja auch in der Stromrechnung inklusive
A/C is a huge power user. Some places in California you need to run it most of the day and into the night all summer long. Also, big power users like pools are common in Southern and Central California.
@@JBoy340a exactly! Where I live in CA it regularly gets 100-110°+ in the summer, without air conditioning you would be absolutely miserable. If you want to do anything during the day time besides swimming, it better he early in the morning, which by the way in the summer it can be 80° or more at 8am, otherwise risk sun burn and over heating. It's no joke, ppl die every year from heat related injuries and dehydration in the blistering CA sunshine. But yes 100% solar works great here. 👍
this month i payed 30 bucks for my electricity. And i own a telsa model 3 that i charge at home to.
Awesome Jon😎🤙🏾!
Nice video Jon!
You should talk about the other companies that gave you quotes. Unless you just stuck to Tesla who doesn’t make their own panels.
Wait, your electricity company is called Edison and you got a Tesla solar? Fate indeed loves irony :)
I wear shorts in the summer and sweaters in the winter. Pretty cost effective.
Lithium iron phosphate right now that's the way to go Jack
I really want Tesla solar and I don't even care about my carbon footprint. Only thing stopping me is I think we may move in the next 2 years. If we do move, I'd buy a new house with a Tesla solar tile roof.
The potential for moving is what was stopping me too, but I took the plunge (literally yesterday lol) and ordered. If I move, the system value gets tacked onto the sale price of the property. I don't really want to go another five years and look back wishing I had done something. We've been in this house six years now and I'm already doing that 😆
This is just amazing
This panel can put out close to 100 watts th-cam.com/users/postUgkxOqI2yqX0XVrhR2BMJciTWrHJpG8FhJyg when positioned in the appropriate southernly direction, tilted to the optimal angle for your latitude/date, and connected to a higher capacity device than a 500. The built in kickstand angle is a fixed at 50 degrees. Up to 20% more power can be output by selecting the actual date and latitude optimal angle.The 500 will only input 3.5A maximum at 18 volts for 63 watts. Some of the excess power from the panel can be fed into a USB battery bank, charged directly from the panel while also charging a 500. This will allow you to harvest as much as 63 + 15 = 78 watts.If this panel is used to charge a larger device, such as the power station, then its full output potential can be realized.
What does it have anything to do with Tesla though? You could have used any solar company and any battery that’s not Tesla and made the same video.
He HAS tesla solar installed why would he make a video using other companies and systems he doesn’t use and can’t personally review ?????
@@The_Aztechyeah but install Tesla or not is exact same use case is my point. It’s not a review of Tesla solar. It’s a review of solar in general. Use something else and effect will be the same.
50 mil dólares é equivalente a 270 mil reais. 😯
so i could techniclly buy solar panel and set it up in my backyard and get extra money
This thumbnail is AMAZING. HA
Your lucky our power company will pull our meter if they see even a single panel on our house
I sell solar. He's sounding like a solar rep trying to sell you solar
Thank you 🙏🏻
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Do you know how annoying the unnecessary sounds at around 1:00 was while wearing headphones? Sometimes you are just trying too hard Jon...
Based on your 50,000 loan, and 250$ per month, seems like your loan period = 20 years!!!! That's BRUTAL , especially when you end up basically even Steven on the bill.
Where did you get the 20 year number from? Interest rates aren’t that high. It probably takes around 12 years to pay off.
@@spidermain simple math... He mentioned the total cost of the system =50k (which he financed), then he said his loan's monthly payment= $250...
If you divide 50000/250= 200 months (i.e. 16.7 years assuming 0 finance), with low interest rate, it's 20 year term.
@@m-user-4929 that loan amount will stay the same and one day be gone. The energy bill will continue to go up every year and never go away.
If you waited 3 years to see if you should install solar, you probably lost out in thousands on incentives and rebates. The system will pay for itself, don't wait.
How do people get such expensive utility bills??? $250 is a good month? That’s 5x higher than my good month
California's size and geography inflate the “fixed” costs of operating its electric system, which include maintenance, generation, transmission, and distribution as well as public programs like CARE and wildfire mitigation, according to the study.
In Ukraine, power is 6 cents per kWh
It's funny the real Tesla would have made this free for everyone.
Yeah and we're all remember what happen to him at the end of his life. Tesla is genius engineer/inventor but it's need economic mind to change people life to a better one.
We don't buy Insurance to cashout
Tesla solar needs more Elon.
Faster more efficient manufacturing and easier installation.
I understand your opinion but Tesla is not the best when it comes to solar. They are more like subpar with their panels. SunPower has the best overall reliability output degradation and seamless integration with all of their materials.
Me in middle school trying my hardest to understand but interesting
At the end, if you countries is using old type of batteries to store more energy to serve you at night. It's still creating tons of toxics waste.
You have an 11KW system with 26 panels but your neighbor has 70 panels, Wow
Energy makes up roughly 6.5% of Tesla's revenue
Was just thinking the same thing. Not sure what is happening with their growth in Solar.
@@dsdddsd4543we their energy sector is limited by supply for the most part. Cars get priority for batteries so only the remaining batteries are gone into their energy storage storage batteries. As for solar, its a relatively new business compared to their car business, so it will take time to ramp up, but they’re ramping up really really quickly.
House & Solar system is too small to cover 250-400$ bill. 🤔
So $50,000 (without interest) -$15,000 (tax credit) + $20/m grid for next 5 years = Spending $36,200. Or you don’t buy solar and pay a rough estimate of $350/m for the next 5 years = $21,000. $36,200 - $21,000 = $15,200 more using solar vs grid for next 5 years. VERY rough estimate but from a 3 minute breakdown of cost, it looks to be more expensive within 5 years but would probably pay for itself in 10 with the tax credit. The house appreciation in that time with the panels would also probably pay for it but short term he is definitely paying more and not saving money. Rice and beans until payed off situation lol (Dave Ramsey)
Yeah but you also have to factor in all the money he saves years after he pays the loan off, he is then only paying $30 a month. Down from his $250 to $500 a month so in the longer run he is going to end up saving thousands of dollars year over year and that is going to continue to compound.
Don't forget he is charging his Tesla as well.
@@Martinit0 exactly so no gasoline bill
did techno buffalo die
wonder what that same system cost in 2021
Slightly less. Solar prices have dropped.
Hey y’all
So you spent 35k to save 150-200 a month while still spending money on electric and using the grid? Not the best 20 year investment.
i think the government/grid will also buy the electricity from you?
like when you go to vacations or when u harvest a lot.. not sure.
hopefully the offers get good after 20years
Did you miss the part about the huge tax credit the year it was installed?
@@jon4lakers no, that's why I said 35,000 instead of 50,000.
@@valor1630 he mentioned that he's selling energy back to the grid during peak times and on average still paying $30-$50 per month except when he's on vacation, he made $250ish that month or something. Either way I get the argument for home equity but still doesn't seem fiscally responsible to me at this time.
@@CanadianDroneStrike Something Jon didn't mention is the cost savings for the Tesla Model 3 he uses to save energy and money as well. If you have to charge your EV at home then your electric bill is much higher than without it. Factor that point in and see what kind of investment it is then.
Your electric bill was ridiculous.
you have to wait 20 years to break even
Average price per KW is 0.10. It’s not even worth it for a solar system. Over 20 years to break even. Funny how the popular videos are people who live in cities where their electric companies are ripping off the residents.
On average, it should take 5-7 years if you were to purchase the system outright and also include all incentives