I used the video to show my dad that he doesn't need to deny climate change cos you are worried we will have to live in caves, that the future is actually desirable
Well Done. This is the first video I have seem anywhere that explains the total installation and operation in detail in laymans terms in a way that anyone can get the full picture of the costs and benefits. Thanks.
I've learned more in 28 minutes than I've learnt in a thousand videos. Thank you chap, That was a master piece. Tesla should hire you. You and that gentleman would be the dynamic duo.
As a solar professional in Mexico, I absolutely love Robert Llewellyn and the Fully Charged team. The videos are professionally produced and edited but above all the explanations are always clear and stated in layman's terms. I often encourage clients to do their own research and this is one of the resources I recommend - keep up the great work!
Its going to be heavily dependent on electricity costs. I live in one of the better areas for solar in the us but the pay back period is awful because my electricity is cheap about 9.5 cents a kwh in the winter and 10.5 during the summer.
Sometimes I nod along to these videos, pretending I understand what they're talking about, but it's barely ever the case and by the time the video has ended I've forgotten it all. But this one was so clearly and articulately explained, I think I understood it all! Great job, team!
I'm from the States... This is literally the best clear explanation I have seen anywhere for solar and battery home use. This should be "the go-to" video for anyone looking at this technology.
I bought a powerwall on the back of this video! Been in for a month, very impressed! Especially at two major power cuts during storm Arwen, only house in the street with power... Thank you Robert!
I live in Thailand and just bought a house. As some of you know, Thailand grid is very bad. Power cuts are often and sometimes long. Electricity in price has gone up a bit and there is no cheap tariff. Same price all the time. I'm really interested in getting solar with powerwall to go 100% of grid. Very good video.
same case in India as well. some states have subsidy programs which gives upto 25% of the cost spent in installing tech like in these videos. I think Australia has similar plans like that.
I understand the ON OFF switch on the side of the Power Wall. Luckily we have you to test out this cutting edge gear for us. Tidy job on the install electricians. Thumbs up.
I have to comment on the honesty of the installer company with regards to payback time. I have had lots of phone calls from companies telling me it would pay back in 2 years etc which i knew was BS but refreshing to see an honest battery fitting company.
Darren Finlay-Smith Yes very refreshing, everybody forgets that all these cheap pv panels were paid for by the general energy consumer paying his green tariff made compulsory by hm government, ie poor people paying for rich boys expensive toys, that is why Cameron said lets get rid of this green shit allegedly, when people's energy bills were going through the roof.
I live in Phoenix, AZ and it always boggles my mind that every home and business is not equipped with solar. After all we are the 'Valley of the Sun'. If their were state & federal subsidies working in conjunction with local utilities to help home & business owners to install solar and battery power storage systems such as the Tesla Powerwall 2 we could all contribute to a more sustainable future. Love the videos, please keep them coming!
I live in Scottsdale, I understand where you are coming from! I work in the solar industry and it is so hard to sell solar here. We offer a free program to buy cheaper power and people still don’t do it.
The problem is even with the tax credit which equals between 2k-9k it is still quite expensive. You are looking at roughly 22k from start to finish. Any gov subsidies would have to offset that cost dramatically for most to take advantage of it and make it worthwhile.
I live in Texas. My average electric bill is $120 per month for a 3 bedroom 2 bath home. I figure the battery costs $7000 USD and the solar array with components to hook it up completely would run another $13000 easy. It would take 14 years to pay for itself assuming my utility bill is zero. He said the battery would last at the most 10 years with diminishing power as time progressed. I don’t see this as feasible or economical for use in the Southern US. I don’t own an electric car because they cost too much. I think solar and wind are wonderful but they have to come way down in cost before they are economical for the average person even with rebates.
Real M Trump is trying to create jobs in West Virginia. Why don’t the solar manufacturers move there. There in China because they pay slave wages and and the government steals our technologies. China is not as great as you claim. Why don’t Apple and other big American companies build their products here? Because they don’t tax them to death and don’t tell business what they must pay the worker or which benefits they must pay. I’d love to see us more invested in green tech here but the liberals regulate business until they leave the country. As long as coal & natural gas are cheaper then they will dominate. Stop blaming Trump for every problem we have. Our problems predate him. Until we can stop acting like children with all the political hatred, this country will never survive; climate change or not. Politicians have ruined this country. Both sides!
Great work Robert, your shows are always excellent. I just installed a 13.5kw system and will be getting a Powerwall 2 in the near future. Based in South Australia. Entertaining, but most importantly VERY informative. You cut through the crap & are educating a lot of people out there. Keep it up.
Really great video. I must have watched dozens of Tesla power wall reviews and no one truly explained how the system works and the pros and cons for both sides. Chris seems like a really honest guy and that's a rare thing for a guy that sells these units. No PR bullshit just the truth. 10/10 for this video.
11/10 I'm very happy the installation guy was fair in terms of cost and benefit of using the batteries in a typical EU home. As someone having developed such systems, I can back his opinions very much, he was on point on everything he said. In the middle east, where grid is bad and they need diesel generators for electricity, such systems save loads of money because of diesel savings.
Thanks gents, appreciate this .... there's quite a lot of mis-selling going on in UK, so very important to get proper iformation over and allow people to make informed choice
I can totally relate to the obsessive checking. I'm on the app likely 50+ times a day. My wife is less than thrilled with this But I am just trying to learn what activity does what to the numbers. So happy with my purchase
Holy Crap, Robert/Kryten. So amazing to see you again. So in love with Tesla and the amazing advancements. Thank you for the tour and explanation of your system!
I am pleased to take your classes and learn so much. It is a breath of FRESH AIR and when l share your videos with friends l am never embarrassed. Thank You. 😊🤗😊
Congrats, Robert! You can't imagine how bad i feel now writing this from Spain, where you're basically a desperado-in-the-desert if you try to imitate something like you have in the UK. Keep it up!
Love this type of content! Keep it coming :) I feel like we are getting close to a huge change for the better in the sustainability level our our modern societies.
Love your work, Kryten. We've got three PW2s and 20kW here in Australia, and we have a Sunny Island unit that effectively keeps us on-grid even when there's no mains power. The power company here cuts our mains off if there's a chance of a bush fire, so having this configuration pretty-much means we never have to start the diesel generator.
I loved the way that so many people viewing this video don’t know that ROBERT Llewellyn played Kryten in Red Dwarf. Basically a comedic GOD! All said and done this is a great video and has made me refocus on getting solar and the Power wall. Good job!
Next time you're in australia, visit HBPowerwall (youtube channel). He made a powerwall using old laptop battery cells of 40 Kwh. Charges them from his solar panels and his system does work during a blackout. (Which is cool, the whole neighborhood dark except for his house). Total investment he made are lower than what you paid for your battery system. (Not counting the hours he invested ofcourse, but it's a hobby, you can't put a price on hours worked on your hobby.
So if you don't mind me asking, if for e.g. you get 50% of your power from Solar in Summer how much do you get in Winter? I'm interested since I'm in the North of england and don't expect much... yet to make the jump to solar!
I would recommend you nice online calculator, that lets you calculate how much energy you can generate (based on setup entered) per day, in you area (by clicking on the map) on average month-by-month, but I doubt you can read Russian.
I'm off grid with 2.5kw of installed solar. Winter production is good if it isn't overcast. Panel string voltage is typically higher when the panels are cold in the winter
Great video. I am in Australia with a Powerwall 2 and 15KW on the roof. The battery changes EVERYTHING and it's honestly one of the best investments I have added to my home. The App obsession is real too :). Payback on the whole system for me will be sub 5 years...... but obviously we get a lot of sun here (generating 82+kw/h per clear day)! :) I also have the off grid/backup option which is AMAZING on the days with our crazy storms. Settings it to reserve 90% for backup means if it's below that charge level it will also top up from grid before the rough weather arrives! Having power when your neighbourhood is down is hilarious! :)
Tesla should allow you to set your car up as a mobile powerwall. If you defined what your minimum required range was the remainder of the battery could be used in powerwall mode as a buffer for the house. Then if you ever need to max it out you can run it in full charge mode. Of course once you reach a defined level of power battery size there are no more gains to be had. Being a bit of an obsessive id be very keen to get my array that bit bigger so i could go virtually off grid :)
Greetings from California! Just got our Powerwall the other day... ran into an interesting phenomenon... the Gateway decided on two occasions to stop sending power from the Array to the Grid. When I called Tesla to inquire, they said that if utility power is "too low", the gateway will not allow PV power to go to the Grid. Presumably this is related to the hot weather we're having lately... I *did* write our Public Utilities Comission to make sure that our Utility is not trying to "pull a fast one", by intentionally lowering the voltage to avoid having to pay all us micro-generators! ;-)
Very interesting and informative discussion of the Powerwall and Solar panel installation. I'm in Florida (USA) and I enjoy this Chap's video (and accent) very much. Great presentation!
That would change the config. Which FITs crew say would change the feed in tariff. :o( So, our installed in 2010 would drop from 60p to 8.5p. You can get away with installing Micro inverters normally. So, you might be able to wing it on this? Waiting for the Off-Peak facility to be launched. Then you can make it pay for itself just using Shifting load. Good Video though.
Thanks Jason. I left them a message. They seem to have 3 & 5kW version and it seems you add additional batteries against the PowerWalls default 13.4kW. The inverter can only pull 2.5kW against 3.68kW of the Tesla unit. But, as you say they are further down the road on the Islanding Option. It is down to the cost of theses units. I to wait for Prime to contact me now.
We covered every square inch of roof with panels... 7.2K solar... Very happy we did. Never a question about whether we cover the usage. Byproduct of this is that we are growing our electric footprint by adding electric cars(Bolt), ranges, heat pumps, etc. Removing natural gas appliances one-by-one. This is the right thing to do - regardless of payback time - don't even ask the question. What are you doing to help the CO2 problem?
I hope you get to see these comments Robert? I just want to say a big thank you for all the videos about this great technology. As a result of watching this video about the Powerwall and solar panels, I am hopefully about to go for a system which is very much the same as yours. I am going to be using Joju Solar, also as a result of this video. I have already had the site survey and I am awaiting a call to say when the install can happen. Although we don't yet have an EV, I plan on having the Zappi charger installed for when we do, which will be in the next couple of years. Many many thanks for all your great videos. Keep up the good work.
In The Netherlands there is a ''Salderen'' law, which allows solar energy owners to convert it back to the grid on the day (i.e. 3000kWh per year) and use the energy from the grid again without extra cost again when the sun is down again: So you can effectively have a 0kWh per year bill without a battery. I hope more countries do this! We can even get the 21% tax back from purchasing solar panels and installation.
Stefan Brand I wonder what will happen in the inevitable future where so many people are selling power back to the government, it will become financially unfeasible for them to allow it to continue.
@@1fadf23f NL and most of Europe probably can't reach Paris with solar. There isn't enough sun in the winter to make it economical. Nuclear will be needed.
It's actually the cheapest version of all the lithium ion Banks if you can afford it, but that doesn't include the install installation costs and permits like everything else..
It seems to me these are the bane of utilities. I always assume utilities make the majority of the megabucks from prime time power sales. If we all load shift with a power wall or similar (I have found a number of others that I like), that larger charge will be gone and those long term power purchase agreements with various gas turbines will still be in place.
When you update your power wall I highly recommend you get the power wall off the floor to at least 18 inches of 2 feet off the floor to avoid a heavy rain storm flooding the garage and shorting out the power wall. Better safe than sorry. Thank you for the detailed video on the power wall. Cheers!
It’s coming sooner than you think. Price is the biggest obstacle. But under a dollar a watt for most panels today. If your a DIY type solar is a bargain.
What a brilliant video ! I'm fascinated by the big picture idea of solar generation and energy storage so it is great to see an evolving installation and the app that shows the consequent results. Thank you very much.
Well done! Kudos to Chris for a no-bull, no-hype, realistic outlook and discussion on the tech, too. Brilliant. I hope to add more panels (1kW now) and a Powerwall (3?) some year soon. Maybe after the GigaFactory price drop.
In Australia, the Powerwall 2 can be configured to isolate the house from the grid in the event of a blackout. Here is an example, in the Southern State of Victoria close to Ballarat. (1) 15 minutes from Ballarat Victoria. Battery: Single Tesla Powerwall 2 AC configuration with 6.5kW Rooftop Solar PV, 26*250W panels, most of them are SunTech's. Electrek Article: electrek.co/2017/08/25/tesla-powerwall-2-owner-experience/ Video 1: My Tesla Powerwall 2: Install and thoughts th-cam.com/video/lMsqeBnoW6Y/w-d-xo.html Video 2: My Tesla Powerwall 2: Demo of Backup Feature th-cam.com/video/HxAbd-kanI8/w-d-xo.html Video 3 My Tesla Powerwall 2: Worst Case Failover: th-cam.com/video/kRxUKlzoTlc/w-d-xo.html
Thanks John - I'm in Australia as well and I had heard that homes were able to remain with power on battery only in the event of a grid outage - I was surprised when Robert said otherwise and figured it was a difference in standards between UK and Australia.
I guess it has to do with British Health&Safety obsession. In Australia, if an automatic relay cuts you off grid once the grid is down is probably ok. In UK, there might be concerns that automation would fail to do this, and there would be risk of electrocution of grid workers that came to fix it. Or something in those lines.
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My old PV panels are currently waiting to be installed on a 'new project' which I'll make another show about. They were an anomaly as with so many things in my life. They were part of a deal I did with British Gas back in 2012 when they sponsored Fully Charged for 6 months. I didn't pay for them and didn't get the FIT. Bizarrely and no one knows why, neither did anyone else, British Gas, no one. It has taken nearly a year to sort out this glitch in the bureaucracy but we finally managed so I am now getting the massive 0.04p FIT. Woot.
fullychargedshow I have wondered why places like ecotricity don't do decent feed in tarrifs, as they are about renewable and buying spare from you to sell to other green energy users would surely make business sense? But I suspect those blasted politicians have threw a spanner in the works somewhere
It will also mean that the power supply will be leveled, so instead of having to build power lines to handle surge times (i.e. daytime air conditioners, and evening with no solar power), the power lines can be built for the average power draw. This will reduce costs, and reduce the need to have expensive peaker plants (plants that pop on quickly but briefly to handle surge demands). Of course, other items would help too, such as ice storage air conditioners (they make either cool air of freeze water to ice, so the power demand is flatter) and multi-hot water tanks (so you use less power at a time, but the heater runs for a longer time period). The goal is to make power demand flatter and more predictable
Awesome video - topic and presentation. So nice to see something working in a real paid for application and not just in theory or the ravings of some mad entrepreneur (which I love by the way !).
What does "bloody" mean in this context? Is there a translation to American English? I know its a profanity but its it like saying the F#ck or something else?
Wow, great video despite its age and outside the US where I'm from! We're going with Tesla for a brand new install of their "Medium" package of solar panel install and a single PowerWall2. Thankfully, the PowerWall can now provide electricity to the home during outages. I actually didn't know they couldn't back in '17.
In India, most homes use 150Ah-200Ah (around 2KWh) lead batteries with 0.5-0.8 KW inverters for power backup. The batteries are charged from the grid and are used to run a few lights and fans when the power fails for a few hours, and the power fails quite often here due to the aging grid and insufficient availability at many places too. Such a setup costs around 200 pounds and the battery (around 140 pounds) needs to be replaced every 5 years or so. While some places are seeing a solar application of this and also bigger grid-tie and off-grid solutions, it still isn't that widespread considering the country receives a good deal of sunshine. Lithium and solar will have a great market here considering power failures and the abundant Sun. Cost-wise, is lead still economical? Going by 2 kWh lead costing around 140 pounds, a 13.4 kWh array would cost 938 pounds and that is 4000 pounds cheaper than the Powerwall. Is 13.4 kWh lead battery same to a 13.4kWh lithium in terms of load and backup hours? Am I missing a calculation here? Sure the lithium battery will last much much longer (at least 2x, may be even 4x), is more supportive of quicker recharges and discharges, Absolutely love the videos, have been following FullyCharged for years, it just is getting better and better. Wish you could upload a new one every day.
Lots of off-grid or rural grid homes in North America already have lead-acid battery set-ups like you described, Suprakash, but Tesla is the first company to go (at mass scale) with lithium batteries for this application. I've wondered why, since lithium has the advantage of being light, which isn't needed for stationery systems. On the other hand, it's also going to take up less space, last longer, and not require H2 gas venting or battery management (e.g. topping up the water levels in lead acid batteries.) On still the other hand, I'd rather see more people buy electric cars or ride electric buses, and continue using lead acid for power backup, so as to avoid a serious shortage of lithium cells on the market! Hard to be sure which way is best!
I can't believe it doesn't work as a backup unit or allow pure night time charging from day one. Why are those so difficult to implement? I would have thought an isolation switch would be standard. That's how commercial UPSes for server rooms have worked for decades. Odd.
Don't know whether it's a UK issue or something that has changed since then, but Powerwall does support islanding backup now. They don't support being fully off-grid (yet; promised) but can be used as a temporary backup when the grid goes down.
Might be a UK thing, in Illinois using a house back-up generator, there is a spring loaded built-in power switching relay in a wall mounted breaker panel. selected house circuits become connected to the generator and the generator is started. When power is turned back on, the relay is turned on, switching power load back to the grid and generator is turned off. These do need to be certified by the power company and local building inspectors at installation.
It *was* a European thing. The powerwall itself doesn't change but there is now a choice of gateway - the box that manages up to 3 powerwalls, with the backup gateway being significantly more expensive and physically larger.
Great video. I am about to have a unit installed in Australia. I was told they now support blackout and brownout. This is a major consideration in my case.
I am relatively new to your show and I love it! Thank you. I Particularly love and appreciate this very episode. Thank you! I know Joju solar, albeit only through email and phone communication. They used to be my customers when I worked in a solar PV wholesaler. Many thanks to them too!
The folks who keep knocking electric cars saying the grid will not cope with the additional charging load should see this. It's obvious from watching the reports on t.v. that they're not aware of this new technology, nor that refining each litre (or maybe gallon, I can't recall which) of petrol consumes 6 kW of electricity. So as electric cars gradually replace ICE cars, electricity used in the refining process reduces and becomes available for car charging. I simply cannot see how the electricity demand situation is a gloomy one.
Old EV car batteries car be 'recycled' into home batteries like these.. then when no longer required at all, Lithium in the batteries can be recycled nowadays and no doubt by the end of the life cycle this process will become more common place.
agylub so 8-10 years use in a car, then 10-20 years use in a home (Watch the latest video of this happening) then the lithium (plus the cobalt and nickel) can be recycled, it is pretty limited the number of companies doing it just now but I’d imagine in 18 or so years they will have pretty much expanded to every major area. Plenty of places doing it in the US, China and Europe already though. Many of those using renewable energy as a power source for the process.
?Where did you get that info from. They are not the same batteries - no one repacks dead car batteries into suddenly alive house batteries. Please give me the address of one company in the US that recycles the Lithium into a form that can be used in new batteries.
Yes - instead we get lots of really, really interesting films about very expensive cars which nobody will ever own, going very fast around some track in another country.........
This is the first video of your show that I've watched, and I was looking for a video explaining the installation, car charging, the app, and pay back time. Also pangs of nostalgia cos you're that man from Scrapheap Challenge
Your example is awesome for others, it is for me, probably I would request the same installment to my house, but since I live in the tropics I possibly have more sunshine per hour than you do, so I would request one extra battery with intention to have fully solar power supply. Good example, thank you!
with an average price of 12 cent per kwh here in the US and the solar with battery installation cost of around 17k after gov rebate, if you use 25kwh/ day like an average us household it would take you more then 15 years just to break even not including battery replacement cost. We have a long way to go
This is the main problem, it takes forever to pay back you initial investment of the solar panels you buy. Most people don't understand how cheap electricity really is. As an electrical engineer who lived in Phoenix for 17 years, every time I did the math it would take around 20 years to break even on placing solar panels on my roof so I never did it. In my opinion anything over 10 years isn't worth it. Also you need to keep your panels clean. If you have something like a leaf that gets stuck on one panel it will pretty much shut the power production of that panel down.
We need inveter and solar cuz its unlike USA where there is blackout , sometime even for month, we don't get electricity most of time, it goes every few hours, we have inveter and battery not to save money but just cuz we need to run it when there is blackout
Give it a few years. At the rate at which prices have been falling, in less than five years you could have panels that let you break even in under a decade...
My estimate for a 6.7 kW system is about $12k after incentives with a break-even after 7 years. The most cost effective installation will minimize excess generation. Batteries are not cost effective. You should only get one if you care about grid health and backup power.
Or reverse into it on a dark night. Isn't that the side the charging lead goes in? Certainly put a strong steel cage around it. Why not just hang it on the wall, like everybody else has?
I’ve seen a couple of other Powerwall videos installed outside and they seem to have the unit on the floor whether indoors or out , not good imho. Should be mounted at least 8 - 12” off the floor. OTOH it weighs over 250 lb as I recollect so that is probably the reason. Why not have it rest on some solid concrete blocks or something.
Hi Fully charged can you do an update on your Power wall 2 from Tesla to show you solar power usage from September to November please compared to earlier in the year June- August 2017.
It's a very much possible. Residential wind turbines are very good solutions where sunshine isn't available. 70% from turbines and 30% from solar will solve the issues. And wind blows 24/7 even during the night, so charging batteries/or Tesla charging can happen without losses at night time.
If everyone installed a Powerwall to buy cheap electricity over night you'd probably see the electricity companies switching to a flat rate tariff scheme rater quickly. =)
The Smart Grid replaces Economy 7. If the energy companies end up paying more than they want to, they'll install their own batteries. They will control how much they pay you. If Norsk Hydro has a better price, then that is who they will buy from. With all that demand being generated by electric and plug in hybrid cars, upwards is the only direction for electricity prices. It may even be cheaper to go off grid for electricity and use gas generation, household CHP. PT for DHW, and CH balance. I can get a garage mechanic to come out for £40 an hour, so an annual service is the only overhead, maybe £200? A Supercharger for the car, just fire up the generator on demand. A modest Powerwall, to save cycling the generator at low demand times, and to cover start up. Then every watt of PV has the same value.
nicktecky55 I thought we are trying to get off fossil fuels? Gas generation? If we go to electric cars and heating eventually...it will never be economical to self generate. The gas infrastructure needed will be a be a sunk cost.
I don't think anyone would pay £5000 to save a few pennies on electric, but say more people did install them the overnight price of electric would increase due to the increased demand. We would inadvertently make the middle of the night peak time
I figured for a 5.950 sq ft house running 1 5 ton ac unit and pool filter pump, with electric hot water heater, using 20kw solar panels on a sun tracker system, I would need 4 of these Tesla Powerwall batteries. $22,000.00 dollars to run off the grid in case of power outage. Dang. It would be money well spent. When power is back on..would be sending bunches back to the grid. Brilliant! Nice video. Cheers.
Did you know that Tesla themselves in France and Belgium use this youtube to explain their potential customers what the Powerwall does?
I used the video to show my dad that he doesn't need to deny climate change cos you are worried we will have to live in caves, that the future is actually desirable
Did you know i stepped on a piece of gum yesterday and it is still stuck on the bottom of my shoe?
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Well Done. This is the first video I have seem anywhere that explains the total installation and operation in detail in laymans terms in a way that anyone can get the full picture of the costs and benefits. Thanks.
And explained it really well, the pros and the cons. Obviously new his stuff and had a good handle on what's on the horizon too.
This is an absolutely awesome video. Makes me want to buy a Powerwall and solar panels. I just need a house
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I've learned more in 28 minutes than I've learnt in a thousand videos. Thank you chap, That was a master piece. Tesla should hire you. You and that gentleman would be the dynamic duo.
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As a solar professional in Mexico, I absolutely love Robert Llewellyn and the Fully Charged team. The videos are professionally produced and edited but above all the explanations are always clear and stated in layman's terms. I often encourage clients to do their own research and this is one of the resources I recommend - keep up the great work!
This is in UK. Imagine how well this would work in Spain or Italy, or the tropical belt of the world.
Its going to be heavily dependent on electricity costs. I live in one of the better areas for solar in the us but the pay back period is awful because my electricity is cheap about 9.5 cents a kwh in the winter and 10.5 during the summer.
Imagine what it'd do in Florida! I'll get it as soon as I get my own house.
It's illegal here in spain to have solar panels for own use. Goverment wants you to buy electricity unfortunately
India my friend -- especially the South just has sun sun and more sun.... and then there's Africa, Australia, South America
Spain should start winding down that white elephant of conventional power.
Sometimes I nod along to these videos, pretending I understand what they're talking about, but it's barely ever the case and by the time the video has ended I've forgotten it all. But this one was so clearly and articulately explained, I think I understood it all! Great job, team!
This guy new his stuff and gave a fair understanding of the technology and costs involved that was pretty impressive.
MikeG446 really? Tap, bath and drain??
Great video production, going through the app was very professional.
Sphinx2k He should get some Kryten mask.
How did he do the video capture from his phone?
Probably over AirPlay
QuickTime does it.
I'm from the States... This is literally the best clear explanation I have seen anywhere for solar and battery home use. This should be "the go-to" video for anyone looking at this technology.
I bought a powerwall on the back of this video! Been in for a month, very impressed! Especially at two major power cuts during storm Arwen, only house in the street with power... Thank you Robert!
Does it mean that it does cover for power cuts? I thought from the video that it currently couldn’t??
@@Nikoo033 Hi, Yes correct in the video, but after research, the current Powerwall 2 does back up the house, invaluable in recent storms...
@@eveningstar3230 brilliant! Thanks for the info.
This is the type of content I subscribed for! Brilliant, absolutely outstanding!
I live in Thailand and just bought a house. As some of you know, Thailand grid is very bad. Power cuts are often and sometimes long. Electricity in price has gone up a bit and there is no cheap tariff. Same price all the time. I'm really interested in getting solar with powerwall to go 100% of grid. Very good video.
same case in India as well. some states have subsidy programs which gives upto 25% of the cost spent in installing tech like in these videos. I think Australia has similar plans like that.
I'm pretty sure it needs a working grid to function (sadly enough), and does not work like a back up. Can someone confirm it?
There's a little box on alibaba that'll sort that out.
go to jmhingpower.com, they can supply you something similar!!
ATS dude reroute the supply to adhere to G59 easily done!! speak with primehybridenergy.com they can supply this type of relay and switch
I understand the ON OFF switch on the side of the Power Wall. Luckily we have you to test out this cutting edge gear for us.
Tidy job on the install electricians. Thumbs up.
I learned WAY more on this video than a 45 min presentation by a Tesla Powerwall Salesman. Thank you!
You clearly interviewed the right man! The clarity and detail of his explanations where quite simple to understand. And very enlightening.
I have to comment on the honesty of the installer company with regards to payback time. I have had lots of phone calls from companies telling me it would pay back in 2 years etc which i knew was BS but refreshing to see an honest battery fitting company.
Darren Finlay-Smith Yes very refreshing, everybody forgets that all these cheap pv panels were paid for by the general energy consumer paying his green tariff made compulsory by hm government, ie poor people paying for rich boys expensive toys, that is why Cameron said lets get rid of this green shit allegedly, when people's energy bills were going through the roof.
captain pugwash 5p for night-time rate is cheap.
I live in Phoenix, AZ and it always boggles my mind that every home and business is not equipped with solar. After all we are the 'Valley of the Sun'. If their were state & federal subsidies working in conjunction with local utilities to help home & business owners to install solar and battery power storage systems such as the Tesla Powerwall 2 we could all contribute to a more sustainable future. Love the videos, please keep them coming!
They don't even need subsidies in AZ, they need utility companies to stop actively lobbying officials to pass laws that hamstring solar companies.
I live in Scottsdale, I understand where you are coming from! I work in the solar industry and it is so hard to sell solar here. We offer a free program to buy cheaper power and people still don’t do it.
The problem is even with the tax credit which equals between 2k-9k it is still quite expensive.
You are looking at roughly 22k from start to finish.
Any gov subsidies would have to offset that cost dramatically for most to take advantage of it and make it worthwhile.
I live in Texas. My average electric bill is $120 per month for a 3 bedroom 2 bath home. I figure the battery costs $7000 USD and the solar array with components to hook it up completely would run another $13000 easy. It would take 14 years to pay for itself assuming my utility bill is zero. He said the battery would last at the most 10 years with diminishing power as time progressed. I don’t see this as feasible or economical for use in the Southern US. I don’t own an electric car because they cost too much. I think solar and wind are wonderful but they have to come way down in cost before they are economical for the average person even with rebates.
Real M Trump is trying to create jobs in West Virginia. Why don’t the solar manufacturers move there. There in China because they pay slave wages and and the government steals our technologies. China is not as great as you claim. Why don’t Apple and other big American companies build their products here? Because they don’t tax them to death and don’t tell business what they must pay the worker or which benefits they must pay. I’d love to see us more invested in green tech here but the liberals regulate business until they leave the country. As long as coal & natural gas are cheaper then they will dominate. Stop blaming Trump for every problem we have. Our problems predate him. Until we can stop acting like children with all the political hatred, this country will never survive; climate change or not. Politicians have ruined this country. Both sides!
Great work Robert, your shows are always excellent. I just installed a 13.5kw system and will be getting a Powerwall 2 in the near future. Based in South Australia. Entertaining, but most importantly VERY informative. You cut through the crap & are educating a lot of people out there. Keep it up.
Really great video. I must have watched dozens of Tesla power wall reviews and no one truly explained how the system works and the pros and cons for both sides. Chris seems like a really honest guy and that's a rare thing for a guy that sells these units. No PR bullshit just the truth. 10/10 for this video.
11/10
I'm very happy the installation guy was fair in terms of cost and benefit of using the batteries in a typical EU home. As someone having developed such systems, I can back his opinions very much, he was on point on everything he said.
In the middle east, where grid is bad and they need diesel generators for electricity, such systems save loads of money because of diesel savings.
Agreed. Completely honest info from the guy selling it. Very rare but I'm relieved they still produce such specimen :)
Thanks gents, appreciate this .... there's quite a lot of mis-selling going on in UK, so very important to get proper iformation over and allow people to make informed choice
Thanks for being on a mission!
It was why I chose JoJu to do my Solar PV & PW2 installation.
I can totally relate to the obsessive checking. I'm on the app likely 50+ times a day. My wife is less than thrilled with this But I am just trying to learn what activity does what to the numbers. So happy with my purchase
How much was the full purches if i may ask? I wanna know ballparks of prices
Holy Crap, Robert/Kryten. So amazing to see you again. So in love with Tesla and the amazing advancements. Thank you for the tour and explanation of your system!
Fantastic stuff. What's not to like....and the blurb about Tesla, Powerwalls, solar etc was good too! Robert - you're a natural mate
I am pleased to take your classes and learn so much. It is a breath of FRESH AIR and when l share your videos with friends l am never embarrassed. Thank You. 😊🤗😊
Congrats, Robert!
You can't imagine how bad i feel now writing this from Spain, where you're basically a desperado-in-the-desert if you try to imitate something like you have in the UK.
Keep it up!
Love this type of content! Keep it coming :) I feel like we are getting close to a huge change for the better in the sustainability level our our modern societies.
Love your work, Kryten. We've got three PW2s and 20kW here in Australia, and we have a Sunny Island unit that effectively keeps us on-grid even when there's no mains power. The power company here cuts our mains off if there's a chance of a bush fire, so having this configuration pretty-much means we never have to start the diesel generator.
I loved the way that so many people viewing this video don’t know that ROBERT Llewellyn played Kryten in Red Dwarf. Basically a comedic GOD!
All said and done this is a great video and has made me refocus on getting solar and the Power wall. Good job!
....is STILL playing Kryten in Red Dwarf!!
Do you get a check from the electric company for the power you are putting into the grid?
I get the money paid directly into my bank a/c.
In the UK its called a "feed in tariff" and it gets reduced returns even as they charge more for electricity every year... 😔
Next time you're in australia, visit HBPowerwall (youtube channel). He made a powerwall using old laptop battery cells of 40 Kwh. Charges them from his solar panels and his system does work during a blackout. (Which is cool, the whole neighborhood dark except for his house). Total investment he made are lower than what you paid for your battery system. (Not counting the hours he invested ofcourse, but it's a hobby, you can't put a price on hours worked on your hobby.
Will be interesting to know how it works in Winter times!!! Please update.
yes please
Can you adjust angle of your panels? at UK latitude, optimal angle in winter is around 60-70 degrees, and in summer - 20-30
So if you don't mind me asking, if for e.g. you get 50% of your power from Solar in Summer how much do you get in Winter? I'm interested since I'm in the North of england and don't expect much... yet to make the jump to solar!
I would recommend you nice online calculator, that lets you calculate how much energy you can generate (based on setup entered) per day, in you area (by clicking on the map) on average month-by-month, but I doubt you can read Russian.
I'm off grid with 2.5kw of installed solar. Winter production is good if it isn't overcast. Panel string voltage is typically higher when the panels are cold in the winter
200,000 SUBSCRIBER!!! well done Robert and team!!! love watching your videos!!
Great detailed view of the whole system! Your phone screen interaction in the video is superb, crystal clear discussion.
Great video.
I am in Australia with a Powerwall 2 and 15KW on the roof. The battery changes EVERYTHING and it's honestly one of the best investments I have added to my home. The App obsession is real too :).
Payback on the whole system for me will be sub 5 years...... but obviously we get a lot of sun here (generating 82+kw/h per clear day)! :)
I also have the off grid/backup option which is AMAZING on the days with our crazy storms. Settings it to reserve 90% for backup means if it's below that charge level it will also top up from grid before the rough weather arrives! Having power when your neighbourhood is down is hilarious! :)
Tesla should allow you to set your car up as a mobile powerwall. If you defined what your minimum required range was the remainder of the battery could be used in powerwall mode as a buffer for the house. Then if you ever need to max it out you can run it in full charge mode. Of course once you reach a defined level of power battery size there are no more gains to be had. Being a bit of an obsessive id be very keen to get my array that bit bigger so i could go virtually off grid :)
Oh I heard a rumor from a Tesla certified electrician that that might happen!
This video is what convinced me to buy some Powerwalls, I love them! Also, A+ on the music selection :)
Very high quality video. Thanks for sharing. Just installed 2 Powerwalls here in the USA
Is there any digging you have to do what he did for a 3way?
Greetings from California! Just got our Powerwall the other day... ran into an interesting phenomenon... the Gateway decided on two occasions to stop sending power from the Array to the Grid. When I called Tesla to inquire, they said that if utility power is "too low", the gateway will not allow PV power to go to the Grid. Presumably this is related to the hot weather we're having lately... I *did* write our Public Utilities Comission to make sure that our Utility is not trying to "pull a fast one", by intentionally lowering the voltage to avoid having to pay all us micro-generators! ;-)
Very interesting and informative discussion of the Powerwall and Solar panel installation. I'm in Florida (USA) and I enjoy this Chap's video (and accent) very much. Great presentation!
Love your videos!!!! Keep em coming!!!! :)
Mark my words, Aug 31st 2027 robert will make a video about this power wall and it will still be working :)
Dash Tesla ...and he'll still be paying for it!
Let's Do Better Now couldn't agree more so nice to have some positive factual news.
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Germany has the highest cost of electric energy and it also imports a lot of electric energy!
Very informative episode, I have PV solar and the next step for me is going to be a battery.
John Franks me too! I'm just waiting till powerwall has full off grid capabilities, apparently they don't in the uk yet...
John Franks I wonder if you'll still qualify for the 5% vat if you can fit at least one more panel on the roof when purchasing the battery?
That would change the config. Which FITs crew say would change the feed in tariff. :o( So, our installed in 2010 would drop from 60p to 8.5p. You can get away with installing Micro inverters normally. So, you might be able to wing it on this? Waiting for the Off-Peak facility to be launched. Then you can make it pay for itself just using Shifting load. Good Video though.
look at primehybridenergy.com...... already doing this
Thanks Jason. I left them a message. They seem to have 3 & 5kW version and it seems you add additional batteries against the PowerWalls default 13.4kW. The inverter can only pull 2.5kW against 3.68kW of the Tesla unit. But, as you say they are further down the road on the Islanding Option. It is down to the cost of theses units. I to wait for Prime to contact me now.
We covered every square inch of roof with panels... 7.2K solar... Very happy we did. Never a question about whether we cover the usage. Byproduct of this is that we are growing our electric footprint by adding electric cars(Bolt), ranges, heat pumps, etc. Removing natural gas appliances one-by-one. This is the right thing to do - regardless of payback time - don't even ask the question. What are you doing to help the CO2 problem?
I agree with you and I wish I could do the same. They have to start making these systems a little more cheaper so it can be a viable option to all.
Great video. Incredible lighting. Amazing footage. Its unique to see an interview with a professional on a video like this. Great work. Keep it up!
I hope you get to see these comments Robert? I just want to say a big thank you for all the videos about this great technology. As a result of watching this video about the Powerwall and solar panels, I am hopefully about to go for a system which is very much the same as yours. I am going to be using Joju Solar, also as a result of this video. I have already had the site survey and I am awaiting a call to say when the install can happen. Although we don't yet have an EV, I plan on having the Zappi charger installed for when we do, which will be in the next couple of years. Many many thanks for all your great videos. Keep up the good work.
In The Netherlands there is a ''Salderen'' law, which allows solar energy owners to convert it back to the grid on the day (i.e. 3000kWh per year) and use the energy from the grid again without extra cost again when the sun is down again: So you can effectively have a 0kWh per year bill without a battery.
I hope more countries do this! We can even get the 21% tax back from purchasing solar panels and installation.
Stefan Brand I wonder what will happen in the inevitable future where so many people are selling power back to the government, it will become financially unfeasible for them to allow it to continue.
And what's the initial premise for this "subsidisation"?
Please study basic economics. Nothing is free. There is a cost, you're just not seeing it.
general taxes of course, but NL needs to try to reach the Paris agreements anyway so its a win win.
@@1fadf23f NL and most of Europe probably can't reach Paris with solar. There isn't enough sun in the winter to make it economical. Nuclear will be needed.
Excellent video, thanks to Chris aswell for being so informative. Cheers!
I need a power wall in my life...
Me too. I have no solar panels nor an electric car. I just need it. Too epic.
I would also like a good power wall in my life to lean against in lows of life.
It's actually the cheapest version of all the lithium ion Banks if you can afford it, but that doesn't include the install installation costs and permits like everything else..
It seems to me these are the bane of utilities. I always assume utilities make the majority of the megabucks from prime time power sales. If we all load shift with a power wall or similar (I have found a number of others that I like), that larger charge will be gone and those long term power purchase agreements with various gas turbines will still be in place.
When you update your power wall I highly recommend you get the power wall off the floor to at least 18 inches of 2 feet off the floor to avoid a heavy rain storm flooding the garage and shorting out the power wall. Better safe than sorry.
Thank you for the detailed video on the power wall.
Cheers!
Robert iv missed you so glad i found this channel. Scrapheap Challenge was my childhood :D
I dream of a day where the absolute majority of homes in the world have this entire setup (including cars).
not driving anywhere besides work and all making videos for youtube? that future sucks.
@@DavOlek_ua I don't understand.
It’s coming sooner than you think.
Price is the biggest obstacle.
But under a dollar a watt for most panels today. If your a DIY type solar is a bargain.
will be great, especially in sunny parts of the world, countries like australia, india, south africa, mexico. these sorts of things will be amazing.
What a brilliant video ! I'm fascinated by the big picture idea of solar generation and energy storage so it is great to see an evolving installation and the app that shows the consequent results. Thank you very much.
Well done! Kudos to Chris for a no-bull, no-hype, realistic outlook and discussion on the tech, too. Brilliant. I hope to add more panels (1kW now) and a Powerwall (3?) some year soon. Maybe after the GigaFactory price drop.
Thank you ... appreciated.
Great interview by an honest supplier. Can't imagine this coming from a US channel.
I can already see the future of this technology. 100% solar power. Car, lights, shower, stove, t.v. computer..everything!
Great video,really fascinating. I always feel a little bit more intelligent after watching your videos.
In Australia, the Powerwall 2 can be configured to isolate the house from the grid in the event of a blackout. Here is an example, in the Southern State of Victoria close to Ballarat.
(1) 15 minutes from Ballarat Victoria. Battery: Single Tesla Powerwall 2 AC configuration with 6.5kW Rooftop Solar PV, 26*250W panels, most of them are SunTech's.
Electrek Article: electrek.co/2017/08/25/tesla-powerwall-2-owner-experience/
Video 1: My Tesla Powerwall 2: Install and thoughts th-cam.com/video/lMsqeBnoW6Y/w-d-xo.html
Video 2: My Tesla Powerwall 2: Demo of Backup Feature th-cam.com/video/HxAbd-kanI8/w-d-xo.html
Video 3 My Tesla Powerwall 2: Worst Case Failover: th-cam.com/video/kRxUKlzoTlc/w-d-xo.html
If you don't touch the circuit breaker, the Powerwall is still connected to the grid. There is no simple method to prevent this.
Thanks John - I'm in Australia as well and I had heard that homes were able to remain with power on battery only in the event of a grid outage - I was surprised when Robert said otherwise and figured it was a difference in standards between UK and Australia.
I guess it has to do with British Health&Safety obsession. In Australia, if an automatic relay cuts you off grid once the grid is down is probably ok. In UK, there might be concerns that automation would fail to do this, and there would be risk of electrocution of grid workers that came to fix it. Or something in those lines.
Problem is that the Powerwall needs to be aware that the grid is down.
Tesla battery researcher says they doubled lifetime of batteries in Tesla’s products 4 years ahead of time [Updated]
electrek.co/2017/09/01/tesla-battery-expert-recommends-daily-battery-pack-charging/
Just the intro alone is worth the Like
This fella from Joju is genuinely very good. I signed up to their site to keep an eye on how I can benefit from solar etc.
That Tesla guy was really honest, good review!
Do you heat your house and water from solar/powerwall, or do you use gas for those?
what happened to your old pv panels and equipment?
And i presume he lost his gold plated FIT payment as its a 100% new system.
Yes i would like to know this too Robert?
My old PV panels are currently waiting to be installed on a 'new project' which I'll make another show about. They were an anomaly as with so many things in my life. They were part of a deal I did with British Gas back in 2012 when they sponsored Fully Charged for 6 months. I didn't pay for them and didn't get the FIT. Bizarrely and no one knows why, neither did anyone else, British Gas, no one. It has taken nearly a year to sort out this glitch in the bureaucracy but we finally managed so I am now getting the massive 0.04p FIT. Woot.
fullychargedshow I have wondered why places like ecotricity don't do decent feed in tarrifs, as they are about renewable and buying spare from you to sell to other green energy users would surely make business sense? But I suspect those blasted politicians have threw a spanner in the works somewhere
And the old inverter? They're not cheap I think.
Chris Jardine was a delightfully clear interviewee 👍👍
so good to see this guy back on the a screen , his ansent is so funny !
keep up the good work man !
Wow, he explains it extremely simply! I actually managed to understand how it works. Brilliant! Thank you.
When everyone has one of those, off-peak becomes peak.
It will also mean that the power supply will be leveled, so instead of having to build power lines to handle surge times (i.e. daytime air conditioners, and evening with no solar power), the power lines can be built for the average power draw. This will reduce costs, and reduce the need to have expensive peaker plants (plants that pop on quickly but briefly to handle surge demands).
Of course, other items would help too, such as ice storage air conditioners (they make either cool air of freeze water to ice, so the power demand is flatter) and multi-hot water tanks (so you use less power at a time, but the heater runs for a longer time period). The goal is to make power demand flatter and more predictable
He has the trifecta: Solar array, Powerwall 2, and Electric cars...
What might have been interesting, namely the total cost of the whole installation, PV plus Powerwall plus Converter etc.....
Awesome video - topic and presentation. So nice to see something working in a real paid for application and not just in theory or the ravings of some mad entrepreneur (which I love by the way !).
Chris does a really good job on explaining how the system works!
BLOODY MARVELOUS
What does "bloody" mean in this context? Is there a translation to American English? I know its a profanity but its it like saying the F#ck or something else?
in this context it is used as emphasis for marvelous, basically saying this is VERY good.
OMG!!!! You just reminded me about my PPI claim
How’d you get my PIN number?! Great work as ever team Fully Charged x
Wow, great video despite its age and outside the US where I'm from! We're going with Tesla for a brand new install of their "Medium" package of solar panel install and a single PowerWall2. Thankfully, the PowerWall can now provide electricity to the home during outages. I actually didn't know they couldn't back in '17.
Thank you Mr. Llewellyn for the video, it was very helpful to my own understanding of the solar/battery relationship.
In India, most homes use 150Ah-200Ah (around 2KWh) lead batteries with 0.5-0.8 KW inverters for power backup. The batteries are charged from the grid and are used to run a few lights and fans when the power fails for a few hours, and the power fails quite often here due to the aging grid and insufficient availability at many places too. Such a setup costs around 200 pounds and the battery (around 140 pounds) needs to be replaced every 5 years or so. While some places are seeing a solar application of this and also bigger grid-tie and off-grid solutions, it still isn't that widespread considering the country receives a good deal of sunshine. Lithium and solar will have a great market here considering power failures and the abundant Sun.
Cost-wise, is lead still economical? Going by 2 kWh lead costing around 140 pounds, a 13.4 kWh array would cost 938 pounds and that is 4000 pounds cheaper than the Powerwall. Is 13.4 kWh lead battery same to a 13.4kWh lithium in terms of load and backup hours? Am I missing a calculation here? Sure the lithium battery will last much much longer (at least 2x, may be even 4x), is more supportive of quicker recharges and discharges,
Absolutely love the videos, have been following FullyCharged for years, it just is getting better and better. Wish you could upload a new one every day.
Lots of off-grid or rural grid homes in North America already have lead-acid battery set-ups like you described, Suprakash, but Tesla is the first company to go (at mass scale) with lithium batteries for this application. I've wondered why, since lithium has the advantage of being light, which isn't needed for stationery systems. On the other hand, it's also going to take up less space, last longer, and not require H2 gas venting or battery management (e.g. topping up the water levels in lead acid batteries.) On still the other hand, I'd rather see more people buy electric cars or ride electric buses, and continue using lead acid for power backup, so as to avoid a serious shortage of lithium cells on the market! Hard to be sure which way is best!
I can't believe it doesn't work as a backup unit or allow pure night time charging from day one. Why are those so difficult to implement? I would have thought an isolation switch would be standard.
That's how commercial UPSes for server rooms have worked for decades.
Odd.
Don't know whether it's a UK issue or something that has changed since then, but Powerwall does support islanding backup now. They don't support being fully off-grid (yet; promised) but can be used as a temporary backup when the grid goes down.
EU Bike Dude pretty sure LG Chem batteries can do this.LG outsell Tesla in Australia 4-1
Might be a UK thing, in Illinois using a house back-up generator, there is a spring loaded built-in power switching relay in a wall mounted breaker panel. selected house circuits become connected to the generator and the generator is started. When power is turned back on, the relay is turned on, switching power load back to the grid and generator is turned off. These do need to be certified by the power company and local building inspectors at installation.
It *was* a European thing. The powerwall itself doesn't change but there is now a choice of gateway - the box that manages up to 3 powerwalls, with the backup gateway being significantly more expensive and physically larger.
Very good video. Chris was great also.
Great video. I am about to have a unit installed in Australia. I was told they now support blackout and brownout. This is a major consideration in my case.
I am relatively new to your show and I love it! Thank you. I Particularly love and appreciate this very episode. Thank you! I know Joju solar, albeit only through email and phone communication. They used to be my customers when I worked in a solar PV wholesaler. Many thanks to them too!
Beautiful house in beautiful UK where you will receive a: "Nice job chap" for your work well done.
well said Bramberry.
The folks who keep knocking electric cars saying the grid will not cope with the additional charging load should see this. It's obvious from watching the reports on t.v. that they're not aware of this new technology, nor that refining each litre (or maybe gallon, I can't recall which) of petrol consumes 6 kW of electricity. So as electric cars gradually replace ICE cars, electricity used in the refining process reduces and becomes available for car charging.
I simply cannot see how the electricity demand situation is a gloomy one.
Chris is excellent.
battery review by Kryten himself...that's as good as it gets. thx Robert
Fantastic episode. So much good information here. A must see. Solar/battery should be on the cusp of a major new wave of installations.
So you toast your bread using the sun!!
Jean-Pierre White Sun burn toast rules! Just add butter. :)
yes but without the magnifying glass!!
Recycle plan for the PowerWall?
Steve Paine yes.
Old EV car batteries car be 'recycled' into home batteries like these.. then when no longer required at all, Lithium in the batteries can be recycled nowadays and no doubt by the end of the life cycle this process will become more common place.
I have heard the term " can be recycled" a million times but not once exactly where or how this happens
agylub so 8-10 years use in a car, then 10-20 years use in a home (Watch the latest video of this happening) then the lithium (plus the cobalt and nickel) can be recycled, it is pretty limited the number of companies doing it just now but I’d imagine in 18 or so years they will have pretty much expanded to every major area. Plenty of places doing it in the US, China and Europe already though. Many of those using renewable energy as a power source for the process.
?Where did you get that info from. They are not the same batteries - no one repacks dead car batteries into suddenly alive house batteries. Please give me the address of one company in the US that recycles the Lithium into a form that can be used in new batteries.
Would be nice to have the part 2 video of the powerwall 2
Yes - instead we get lots of really, really interesting films about very expensive cars which nobody will ever own, going very fast around some track in another country.........
This is the first video of your show that I've watched, and I was looking for a video explaining the installation, car charging, the app, and pay back time. Also pangs of nostalgia cos you're that man from Scrapheap Challenge
Your example is awesome for others, it is for me, probably I would request the same installment to my house, but since I live in the tropics I possibly have more sunshine per hour than you do, so I would request one extra battery with intention to have fully solar power supply. Good example, thank you!
with an average price of 12 cent per kwh here in the US and the solar with battery installation cost of around 17k after gov rebate, if you use 25kwh/ day like an average us household it would take you more then 15 years just to break even not including battery replacement cost. We have a long way to go
WELL SPOTTED DEL BOY.
This is the main problem, it takes forever to pay back you initial investment of the solar panels you buy. Most people don't understand how cheap electricity really is. As an electrical engineer who lived in Phoenix for 17 years, every time I did the math it would take around 20 years to break even on placing solar panels on my roof so I never did it. In my opinion anything over 10 years isn't worth it. Also you need to keep your panels clean. If you have something like a leaf that gets stuck on one panel it will pretty much shut the power production of that panel down.
We need inveter and solar cuz its unlike USA where there is blackout , sometime even for month, we don't get electricity most of time, it goes every few hours, we have inveter and battery not to save money but just cuz we need to run it when there is blackout
Give it a few years. At the rate at which prices have been falling, in less than five years you could have panels that let you break even in under a decade...
My estimate for a 6.7 kW system is about $12k after incentives with a break-even after 7 years. The most cost effective installation will minimize excess generation. Batteries are not cost effective. You should only get one if you care about grid health and backup power.
Should definitely be higher off the ground. Would hate for any water to get into the garage.
Or reverse into it on a dark night. Isn't that the side the charging lead goes in? Certainly put a strong steel cage around it. Why not just hang it on the wall, like everybody else has?
@@nicktecky55 In most garages there are lights, LED preferable.
ya metal on concrete floor.... he wont be seeing 10 years with that setup... if they did that wounder what else is installed wrong
I’ve seen a couple of other Powerwall videos installed outside and they seem to have the unit on the floor whether indoors or out , not good imho. Should be mounted at least 8 - 12” off the floor. OTOH it weighs over 250 lb as I recollect so that is probably the reason. Why not have it rest on some solid concrete blocks or something.
Hi Fully charged can you do an update on your Power wall 2 from Tesla to show you solar power usage from September to November please compared to earlier in the year June- August 2017.
An excellent description of solar PV/storage/EV integration! Thanks!
A year old, and I just discovered. This is a very informative vid. Thank you for sharing.
I'm from Dublin Ireland and we have a lot of WIND can you use Solar and a Wind Turbine together??? I think that should be next.
It's a very much possible. Residential wind turbines are very good solutions where sunshine isn't available.
70% from turbines and 30% from solar will solve the issues. And wind blows 24/7 even during the night, so charging batteries/or Tesla charging can happen without losses at night time.
Powerwall doesn't work with a wind turbine (yet)
@@mgutkowski The zappi does.
Great video. Really appreciate the candid views from Dr Jardine!
Ta.
If everyone installed a Powerwall to buy cheap electricity over night you'd probably see the electricity companies switching to a flat rate tariff scheme rater quickly. =)
David Olandersson yes, but tariff would a lower rate , because peak power demand would be reduced so much not so many power stations needed.
If everyone did that, then the price of electricity would increase during the night time.
The Smart Grid replaces Economy 7. If the energy companies end up paying more than they want to, they'll install their own batteries. They will control how much they pay you. If Norsk Hydro has a better price, then that is who they will buy from. With all that demand being generated by electric and plug in hybrid cars, upwards is the only direction for electricity prices. It may even be cheaper to go off grid for electricity and use gas generation, household CHP. PT for DHW, and CH balance. I can get a garage mechanic to come out for £40 an hour, so an annual service is the only overhead, maybe £200? A Supercharger for the car, just fire up the generator on demand. A modest Powerwall, to save cycling the generator at low demand times, and to cover start up. Then every watt of PV has the same value.
nicktecky55 I thought we are trying to get off fossil fuels? Gas generation? If we go to electric cars and heating eventually...it will never be economical to self generate. The gas infrastructure needed will be a be a sunk cost.
I don't think anyone would pay £5000 to save a few pennies on electric, but say more people did install them the overnight price of electric would increase due to the increased demand. We would inadvertently make the middle of the night peak time
I figured for a 5.950 sq ft house running 1 5 ton ac unit and pool filter pump, with electric hot water heater, using 20kw solar panels on a sun tracker system, I would need 4 of these Tesla Powerwall batteries. $22,000.00 dollars to run off the grid in case of power outage. Dang. It would be money well spent. When power is back on..would be sending bunches back to the grid.
Brilliant!
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