Pumping Iron's MIA - The Bodybuilders Who Never Made The Cut
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- This Pumping Iron analysis investigates possible reasons why some bodybuilders weren't included in the film along with some hypothetical choices that would have been great to see.
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Big Tony Nowak, the guy laughing, has an interesting story. He passed away a decade or so ago while on vacation in Italy of a heart attack. Arnold mentioned him in his autobiography several times. Basically any jacket that you see Arnold wearing to events and in movies, was designed by Tony. He grew up in Poland and moved to Austria as a young boy, crossing paths with Arnold along the way. I always figured in Pumping Iron, Tony was a very minor person around the gym. Truth is, Arnold and him were very close friends. Went on to become a very successful businessman.
Great story overcome! Thanks so much for sharing it on the page for everyone. I remember reading that he had passed recently. I wonder how Arnold feels seeing his contemporaries slip away one by one. It's a shame that life is so fleeting and that we're all only young for such a short time. Carpe diem brothers.
Tony comes out in the Franco 1981 bodybuilding documentary- he trains with Franco at the world gym in some clips
Oh nice do you have a title for that documentary , Javier?
Wondered what happened to him TY.
Padilla was also screwed by the Weiders in 1974 when Ben promised Mike Katz a spot on the Mr.Universe team that year
As iconic as Pumping Iron was, the missed opportunity of all these legends being left out is an epic travesty!
While I guess they couldn't include everyone, it does make an interesting hypothetical if some of the guys featured at least got a look in for sure.
Danny Padilla was an amazing bodybuilder 💯
Yes I feel he could have got the nod for the ,81 Olympia.
And great ambassador for the sport!
'81 Olympia was as bad as '80!
If you add up the shenanigans of the 1975 and 1981 Mr. Olympia Danny wins the title “most screwed by the IFBB”.
He had one of the most complete physiques of that time. He should have won a lot more than he did.
Danny Padilla had Arnold's body on a 5 foot 2 frame. If you cover Danny's face in any photo it looks like Arnold 1974.
Solid and perfect.
Aesthetically, all of these guys look better than any of the modern day men's open Olympia competitors. Long live the golden era!
Totally agree Boneri. Thanks for commenting
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Mike Mentzer has grown to be a favorite of mine. Another great video.
One of my fave bodybuilders too. Thanks for watching - glad you enjoyed it :-)
Arnold the nazi did him dirty!
Mentzer had a great physique but his posing was strangely bad. Too mechanical, robotic.
@@xavierghazi4939 yea Mike was always an insecure snake!
He had some great poses (the cross, the vacuum) but the difference to the others was not big enough. For everyone who shouts "betrayal" after the 80 just remind: Mike was 5th, not second. So Frank, Boyer and Chris betrayed him, too. Not only Arnold. When he means that he had won, why he wasnt second? I met Mike a few times and reminds him as a quiet and nice man. But that was in 83 and 91, maybe his kind was different in late 70s by roids.@@xavierghazi4939
Mike Mentzer should have definitely been featured in the film. He did so much for the sport and had an amazing build.
Mike was great but the film was a bit before his peak
@@carvedouttastone Indeed! Also I never that so many athletes were sidelined for this documentary.
I think he's actually in the movie. When Arnold enters Gold gym and signs up for membership at the desk, you can see Mike in the background drinking from a soda can. With his moustach.
Yes mentioned that in the vid.
@arasmed He was probably smoking as well. 😅
Pumping Arnold! Frank Zane said that's what the movie should have been called! That is so funny!
Danny Padilla and Robby Robinson definitely deserved more screen time, Rick Wayne and Roger Callard should've appeared in Pumping Iron as well
Roger Callard appeared in the scene when he , Robby and Ken Waller were throwing around a football.
Robby is in the beginning of the film and in a few scenes in Golds when he poses in front of the mirror and the other big guys, and then you see that he had the best upper body that time, best black BB in 75 no doubt (yes, Oliva had mor mass and Nubret too but Oliva hadnt the perfection and Nubret not the good Back and V shape). Robby was betrayed later at the Mr. O.@@odessafile75
Dude, you make great videos. After you finish covering this era, maybe you could just jump to the next decade of classic bodybuilders through the 80s and 90s..I think a lot of us younger guys know a lot more of the modern era, but love learning more of those who came before. Either way, keep it up man
Thanks Guy, that means a lot and appreciate the kind words. Yes, I plan to do exactly that, but hopefully come at things from a different angle each time instead of the same old boring cut and paste - apply some heroic instrumental music clip and get 1 million views, that so many uploaders do. Im glad to hear the vids are both entertaining and educative. Please subscribe and share to help the channel out if you find some value. Thanks again mate.
I know I am subbing now!
Another GREAT video. LOVED it. Yeah my two biggest misses are Frank Zane and Serge Nubret. I really wish they would of agreed to the contracts and done the movie. Would of added a lot. And agreed, it would of been great had Draper been a part of Pumping Iron too
Hey Jordan, glad you liked it. Yeah I actually had to cut this video down because there were some more names I added, but I thought "shit, this could potentially go on forever" so I just left it at that. Just think - Arnold still has all that Zane, Nubret and Danny footage withering away in his vault, begging to see the light of day along with the millions of eyes of curious fans...thanks for watching again!
@@carvedouttastone Shawn, you should of gone longer. I’m ready for part 2
Haha you'll like the video I'm working on next then :-)
@@carvedouttastone You got me then. Just subbed.
Thank you Tempest - I really appreciate the comment and sub
Great video and thanks for posting. It would have been nice to have seen more Frank Zane, who by his own admission, was off peak form in 1975. One point of clarification; Boyer Coe is from Louisiana and not Alabama.
Dave Draper or "The blonde bomber" was a great bodybuilder. Had an absolutely incredible back!
As a bodybuilder, even the most modestly sized MP pretty boy, you are forced to give up the grind and downsize if you are interested in a serious modeling or acting career. This is true *especially* for "handsome guy with muscles who takes his shirt off" roles. I chose to give up my own (very modest) acting "career" about 40 pounds ago (they were mostly teen versions of such roles anyway, since I'm so short lol), but I'm still fascinated over this choice that other MP guys have to make.
I had always assumed that it had started with Arnold, since before him bodybuilders were mostly cast in "bodybuilder" superhumanly-big-monster roles and were doing it at much more modest mass. Now that I've looked into it, I was shocked to be wrong. Not only was Arnold told to downsize to play a *bodybuilder* (!); but as early as 1949 Steve Reeves of all people was told by Cecil B. DeMille to lose lots of that ugly muscle to play *Samson* ! I was shocked!
All this is probably out of the wheelhouse of fitness media (though it probably shouldn't be, since it's been a major part of the historical and practical professional reality of many athletes in our community from the highest level to the masses), but the overall phenomenon of deliberately downsizing in the offseason is fascinating in and of itself. I think in the era of redlined pharmacology it's actually become *less* common, since things have become so competitive. Kevin Levrone is the only modern figure I can think of who ever did so though I may be wrong; what a genetic freak he was! The very idea of doing so seems crazy for someone trying to bring their best body to the stage next season and edge out their competitors. I think the offseason downsizing thing is worth someone's attention as a topic.
Yes, it's amazing how the golden era off-season actually meant "off" - off drugs, off training, off bulking. Bodybuilding was a seasonal activity to these guys. Explains their great health, their fresh looks, full heads of hair (Mike Katz not withstanding). Maybe we're all misguided with this mindset of perpetual dedication to redlining everything like you said. Thanks for commenting
Excellent thoughts! Yes, you can find off-season shots of Arnold between Olympia contests in the 70s where he looked pretty much like a normal guy (albeit with huge biceps and calves!). He knew that the only time it mattered that he looked his best was on the Olympia stage.
The front double biceps of Boyer Coe @ 9:52 is simply amazing!
I heard an earlier Olympia contest with Sergio vs Arnold and Sergio was going to win. Joe Weider thought he would sell more magazines with Arnold on the cover and changed the winner to Arnold
Yes, Joe stated that "black guys on covers don't sell magazines". Arnold was his Aryan, great white hope
In fact Sergio was a giant, yes, but he had weak definition, bad calves, no cuts and a normal posing. Arnold was more perfect.
Serge nubret was working out towards competing in the Olympia. He looked phenomenal. Weeks before he was informed he was out so he ended the intense workouts. Only to be told weeks later he can compete. It is believed the powers of the IFBB were worried about him actually beating Arnold at the 75 Olympia so intentionally sunk his chances.
Yes they said to Serge he can have the 1976 Olympia if he let Arnold have 75. The IFBB is basically the Mafia of bodybuilding
He wouldn’t have beat Arnold unless the Weider’s let him beat Arnold. There was no worry.
Bodybuilder Mike mentzer one of the most under-appreciated! First bodybuilder to ever have a perfect score!
Agreed - Mike Mentzer was one of my favourite bodybuilders of all time too. Thanks for commenting Frank!
I loved Mentzers physique and was lucky enough to see him in the early 80s at a seminar. Biggest forearms I've ever seen. But he didn’t deserve a perfect score.
Awesome video man! Knowing the history behind a lot of these politics really paints a picture you don't get from most bodybuilding historians.
Hey Classic physique, thanks for that nice feedback mate. I love sharing some of the things I've learned and passing the stories forward. Glad you're finding some value and really thank you for taking the time to comment.
Wow! Seeing all these guys who rival or even beat Arnold’s physique really opened my eyes to how the media just wanted Arnold to be the star. Still doesn’t take away his efforts offcourse but I’m really glad to have learnt all this. Thank you for the info
Edit: as an aside too: I’ve love to see you tackle some older generation bodybuilders too, such as Larry Scott and Vince Gironda
Hey Carpe. Yes I will dip back into the silver era sometime, particularly Vince. Check out Marc Martinez's new doco reviewed in my Dream Big video if you want to see some good coverage of that era also. Thanks for commenting mate
Great piece Brother!
Loved hearing some little known facts about all the other competitors!
So tired of hearing the same things in EVERY video about ALL bodybuilders. It is so old hearing about the sets, reps, meals, and drugs.
Well done!
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So appreciative of that comment 007. Trying to put a different spin on things while being entertaining and informative at the same time. Glad you found some value and really happy for that kind feedback. Thanks again!
@@carvedouttastone Cheers brother! Subscribed!
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This was awesome!! Lots of little details we never knew before! Very well done 👏
Appreciate the comment, thanks for watching :-)
Wow! Thank you for sharing the video and bringing light to all those great champions that were left in the shadows, it got me reminiscing about the 70s. I lived in a small town in Central California then, where no one knew about bodybuilding. On Saturdays driving to Santa Monica to work out side-by-side with several Those great champions. When Joe owned Thee only Gold’s Gym. Good times
Hey Allen. Thanks for such a great comment and sharing your story about your experiences from that era. Reading people's comments of the time really paints a picture in my mind and gives me a buzz that someone saw history unfolding from a different angle.
Definitely Sergio Olivia. A clash between him and Arnold would have been absolutely epic. That is one guy who had the potential to beat Arnold in a fair contest.
Sergio was so outspoken and ostentatious in literally every way, he might have stolen the show from Arnold, lol. Thanks for the great comment John
@@carvedouttastone Yes, the Weiders blocking Sergio is a major crime. Sergio may have had the best bodybuilding genetics of all time.
Oliva
Sergio beat Arnold in '69 Olympia. Arnold won the '80 Olympia, coming out of retirement. Mentzer quit competing after this contest. Arguably, several of the contestants, including Mike, who was shredded with size, said the contest was not fair. Arnold was not near his prior competition weight and his legs didn't match his upper body development.
@@jacksaller9385 Arnold did not compete with his prior himself, but with other bodybuilders present that day. A 1974 Arnold would have made the whole line up run home crying to their moms...
This was a very interesting and informative video. I actually had thought that the reason Arnold was smaller between 1974 and 1975 was because of the filming for “Stay Hungry” where the director didn’t want him to be so huge.
Yes that's correct. I mentioned it in the previous vid in the series
Danny Padilla is from my hometown.....Great personality, friendly, and would talk to any of us in the gym here. To say he was robbed is an understatement! The ugly politics of bodybuilding where money talks and real champions walk!
In 81 or 82 he had to win.
@@drhkleinert8241definitely. And probably more.
Danny Padilla my be the best proportioned bodybuilder in this video. Beast.
Goal physique indeed.
I remember Boyer Coe from the magazines. He was a beast.
He kept it going - I love the lifer guys who maintain the love for many decades. The iron's in their veins and soul
Damn this was really informative! Loved the movie, but I always wonder why Frank Zane was not it you could see Zane in the background. Ric DrasiN wrestler/actor/bodybuilder wasn't even in a cameo at gold's Venice.
Sometimes I try to figure out in my mind how the movie would have changed if certain bodybuilders had more narrative attached to their characters. The movie is pretty perfect, so it's hard to add to perfection, but the possibilities are likewise infinite. Thanks for a great comment Gary
Dave Draper was ,of course, the face of Weider before Arnold, though he disliked competing . I was always a Casey Viator fan as well.
Casey was amazing. Prob will do a video on him at some point. Some funny stories about him
Draper was good, yes, but he was a Face/Boy/BB from "past times", 60s. More Steve Reeves that Arnold. And: Whats going on here, everyone talks about Draper, Zane, Tinnerino, Coe blabla...you all forget the first real modern Bodybuilder with a Body for the eternity? The man ho push BB from the 50s (Reeves, Park) to the 70s (Arnold, Mentzer)? Whats about Larry Scott?
@@drhkleinert8241 Good point, but wasn't he basically retired after his Olympia wins?
Wow never knew Padilla got screwed over like that! Great content!
It gets worse in the case of Danny which I'll cover in an upcoming vid. That's for watching and commenting Herbinator
@@carvedouttastone I'm looking forward to your follow-up video. Padilla is the uncrowned 1981 Mr. O in my book.... he blew away "Franco the bat." "He can fly, man. " 😂
I had the pleasure of meeting and interviewing Serge just before his death.
He mentioned that the pay he was offered for Pumping Iron had been an insult as he was already a TV star in France. He said he would have done it for free if they hadn't Insulted him with such a low offer. As a result he withdrew his permission for the footage they filmed.
Shame as it would have been very interesting to have seen him featured in it.
That's a great story to add Maximimum. Thanks for sharing. Do you have a copy of the interview anywhere to read or watch?
@Carved Outta Stone it was in a copy of bodyfitness back in 2008. I may have a copy somewhere in the loft. Sadly I didn't video it.
He ended up in hospital and passed away not long after. There were rumours that there had been foul play but that could have been unfair and unfounded speculation.
Serge Nubret wanted the European distribution rights to the movie which Butler wasn't going to give him.
I've read that somewhere else. Thanks for reminding me. He was my favourite physique of all time. Those deltoid, lats and pec shape were sheer aesthetics.
Outstanding work , thank you !
The Matt Ferrigno story is worth a look … “ Arnold … I wouldn’t turn my back on you in 500yards “ … he saw through him a mile away ;)
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Haha exactly! Check out my short with Matty Ferrigno's gamechanging advices to Lou. Matty had that cop's intuition about Arnold, but according to Lou, Matty had a kind of man-crush on Arnold also; enamoured with him to the point that Lui felt his dad would rather Arnold as his son than him. Thanks so much for the sub. Hope you continue to enjoy the content I put out
@@carvedouttastone Absolutely spot on !!
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Lou’s father never really trained him. That stuff was made for the movie. I believe Matt Ferrigno sued Gains and Butler for the “dinner table” scene since they never got a release from Lou ‘s mom.
In 1975 Lou was miles away from being as good as Arnold. He places 3rd in the heavier class. Last place. When you look at Lou in 1992, Arnold wouldn't have stood a chance.
Your videos and analysis of the period are next to none. Very well done, keep the good work!
Man that means so much to hear Hugo. Absolutely honoured that you watch and like my vids. I'm just a fan and plenty more knowledgeable than me, but I hope people get some value from my little corner of the internet
Your channel continues to impress. Thank you!
I really thank you for returning and giving my content a chance. Truly appreciate the feedback too Max.
What a Detail & Behind the Scenes & story, had no idea about this all these years.
thx man
You're very welcome Ashkay. Thanks for watching and commenting
It's a shame Arnold lost that weight for Stay Hungry, it would have been great to see him on stage looking like his 74 version or even better. Meanwhile Nubret was too much of a threat, was therefore disqualified only to be reinstated after he'd visibly lost some weight and some of his conditioning. As for Padilla, well he then went on to become the uncrowned 1981 Mr Olympia!
Amen about Padilla.
What amazes me is that Arnold still recovered the weight along with condition in time to still look pretty damn good. But yeah, a 1974 Arnold in the movie would have looked great - but also maybe a little too intimidating for audiences of the time. 75 struck that perfect mainstream look that garnered the requisite public acceptance
@@carvedouttastone If you watch Stay Hungry, you can see him growing as the film progresses which culminated with the BB show. So although he slimmed down to 210lbs for the start of filming, by the end of the movie he does look heavier. It was his legs in both 75 + 80 which were slow to respond to the return to competition training.
@@twds01 very good points mate. Agreed!
That weight loss story is a crock. Nubret with his high lats from the front, asymmetrical waste from the front (hence the ubiquitous side profile photos), thighs too weak for his upper body (even by 70's standards) and calves to weak for his thighs. He wasn't a serious threat.
I loved Dave Draper. Great Guy.
These vids r amazing keep them coming x
Thanks Adil - appreciate your comment, more this weekend!
You need to have a part 2 for this.
I'll do my best. I'm aware that people might think I'm beating a dead horse and a one trick pony, so I also want to expand my content into other areas of bodybuilding eventually. Get some interviews going, do some reviews etc. If you have any ideas for content please let me know!
@@carvedouttastone no! It was a wonderful era to study! The silver age also Steve Reeves, Reg Park! Ric drasin found black and white film of those days at muscle Beach. Go to Rics corner (he has since passed away he was a wrestler) it's on TH-cam with at least a thousand videos
Yes I miss Ric and his take on the sport. A treasure trove of info 🙂
I’ve read or heard somewhere the “Arnold entrance into the gym” was filmed a few months after the contest.
I think Arnold,,was the poster boy for all Bodybuilding in that era,,,he was on television,in movies... ultimately the Promotion of Bodybuilding as a legit Sport,,and really he has that mantle,it cannot be denied he is the Grandfather...to what is present today.
Great and informative video shawn ❤
Ali, I really appreciate the kind words mate. Thanks so much for watching
There are over 100 hours of outtakes from PUMPING IRON. Some of these have been released but if you strung them all together they run maybe 20 minutes. That leaves a lot of classic footage from legendary bodybuilders in the actual Golden Era. It blows my mind what might actually be on there. I believe ARNOLD owns the rights I wish he would just release it all. Do you have any thoughts on this matter?
I mentioned it briefly in the Truth video, and I was talking about that in some of the threads on previous videos. But yes, it pains me that he won't release that footage.
He's had all the "bad bits" taken out and burned a few years ago - scenes that were incriminating to his image were removed by his legal team- so I really don't see what his problem is, considering that:
1) millions of gym rats and iron historians would LOVE to see the other bodybuilder plot lines and footage - all that footage of Serge, Zane and Padilla locked away and rotting
2) there's so much training footage in those reels
3) it would rehabilitate his dying legacy because a Pumping Iron resurgence would wash away the stains of his recent image problem among his fan base.
I'll talk about this more in the next vid, but man, I'd love to see that footage.
@@carvedouttastone 100% AGREED. A perfect summarization of the situation. I have searched the ends of the bodybuilding internet universe for those lost treasures. My journey has brought me here to your channel where I find more information. Another piece of the puzzle. Thank you 🙏
Fun fact: There are hundreds of hours not used material but while filming the producers nearly goes bankrupt bec the budget was out...The actor from Harold and Maude was filmed but whe he heard that his scenes wont use he said "OK, you dont have to pay me, so use my salary for to film on".
Fantastically researched, insightful and eloquent.
So glad to hear that feedback Sean. Please check out the other vids if you like this one. Great to have you here
Zane was right, it should have been titled Pumping Arnold. I prefer Pumping Iron to any Hollywood movie Arnold was in. Arnold's personality, ambition, and manipulation of his peers comes through.
Robby Robinson!
I forgot how phenomenal Boyer Coe was....
Great bodybuilder, and a really great guy. Was a bit underrated and underappreciated in my opinion
It’s crazy just how much monopoly the Weiders had over bodybuilding and they carried Arnold to where he is today. Sad we never got to see real bodybuilders that would’ve easily defeated Arnold at his prime.
For real. The political wrangling of banning/suspending people for competing in rival federations was such a limiting blow to the sport. These guys were making nothing from bodybuilding, so to gouge them with petty, ridiculous rules was such a detriment to the progression of the sport. Everything is and continues to be about money - but at least the bodybuilders are not so beholden to the federations as much anymore. Thanks for your comment Mugisha
They went with what made the most money. The NFL does the same thing. Movie studios do the same thing. ANY FUCKING BUSINESS THATS SUCCESSFUL DOES THE SAME FUCKING THING!!!! Having said that. Welcome to reality. Everyone else figures this out by 6th grade.
If I'm not mistaken it was Weider that tried to sue Charles Atlas, as well, claiming his physique could only have been built through weight training.
@@edwardwright2989 Such an angry man Eddie, have you had a heart attack yet?
Defeated Arnold, maybe, easily not .
Very interesting, once again!!👏👏
So much to unpack with this iconic doco!
I myself would have loved to have seem more footage and candour from Frank Zane.
Frank was extremely articulate with his own strong opinions, this would have added even more oomph to the film.
But alas, “Pumping Arnold” was probably the most likely reason he wasn’t featured more!
Oh yeah it's multi layered for sure. So many perspectives and filters to be analysed from.
Haha funny story today, I was using that new AI Chatgpt and asked it a question regarding the film.
It said that Pumping Iron should be "noted for its lack of representation of people of colour and women in the sport, as the film mostly focuses on white male Bodybuilders"....
Goodness me, even the AI is woke garbage these days. 🤦♂️😅
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Absolutely ridiculous, but nothing surprises me these days! 🤪
Al Beckles should have maybe had a bigger part also
Hey John. Yeah, I was almost gonna cover Beckles because he even beat Zane and had an interesting backstory and outstanding career. Thanks for commenting 😊
@@carvedouttastone great video, great work sir
Pumping Iron was a movie full of phoniness considering the Arnold versus Lou Ferrigno story line. Enter Serge Nubret who takes 2nd place and Lou 3rd not 1st or 2nd as the story had hoped.
I think someone forgot to tell you that you needed to diet to compete in a Bodybuilding contest. As Arnold said to them at the breakfast table that morning "he isn't even in shape yet they should have it in a month for him" 😂
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The "Little Guy" that Arnold gives posing advice to and his friend had an interesting story that @NicksStrengthandPower covers.
There's an even better in depth interview from the Little Guy himself if you search for Tom Purvis' TH-cam channel. Thanks for commenting Rang123
@@carvedouttastone Awesome Thanks! I'll check it out.
No worries. You'll love it, it's a great interview
@@carvedouttastone Wow! that was a great interview. Thanks again for the suggestion.
You're welcome mate. :-)
Frank Zane just didn't have enough beef.
Maybe, but he did have a level of mass with class. What I respect about Frank is he ran his own race, played his own game and didn't bow to the pressure of needing to upsize the look he felt represented his own version of the art of Bodybuilding. It may not have been to everyone's taste, but he maintained his own distinct look without bowing to industry trends
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Thanks, very interesting. Some sports ... bodybuilding, gymnastics, figure skating, because they include subjective "measures" involving esthetics, lend themselves to corruption. It's very disheartening to learn what happened to Oliva, Nubret, Padilla, Zane, and Robinson, anyone of whom could have won.
The Problem isT Every fan pushes his fav and oversee his weak points. And 99,99 % of all fans never saw their idols in competition on stage, only on film and pics. An example: You see Nubret or Robby, or Roy Callender and scream wow he must be the winner! But in fact you see the calves of Roy, Sergio or Robby for judge with Mike Mentzers or other and you see the difference. Or see the difference between Padillas Chest and Franco (in his prime). See the dream posing of Corney and the bad posing of Ferrigno (that time) and you see that Lou's BIG Mass cant beat Ed's movements. But yes, sometimes its open to see betrayal and politics, 81 and 82 not the best one won, and Arnold got Mr.O without any other comeptitor that day. In a real and good field of competitors you have a few nearly same good guys and the the difference is by minimalistic things.
Damn I would have loved to see Dave Draper in Pumping Iron.
Dave was interesting enough to have his own movie/documentary. I think he hated the spotlight though. Kinda shy and introspective soul.
@@carvedouttastone It's a shame, there is hardly any Draper footage of any kind on TH-cam. He's probably my favorite bodybuilder, and he had such a thoughtful introverted mind that would have made for great interviews.
I still have hopes someone will dig up some kind of video or audio interview. In the mean time I'll still enjoy reading his articles.
@@Keranu have you checked out the seminar he did with Bill Pearl? gmvbodybuilding.com/bodybuilding-videos/male-bodybuilders/male-bodybuilding-dvd/bill-pearl-dave-draper-seminar-dvd/?v=6cc98ba2045f
@@carvedouttastone You know I thought I had, but now that I'm looking it up on TH-cam, I've only seen a three minute clip of it before.
I've thought about buying the DVD in the past, now I'm definitely gonna have to pick it up. Thanks for reminding me. I think that's about as many words we'll hear from Dave's mouth on camera lol.
If you recall any interviews from other people talking about Dave I'd be much interested. I once heard Tom Platz briefly poke fun at Dave's shyness.
@@Keranu I'll see what I can dig up 👍💪
I like the story about Lou ferrigno,, called King of the beach at Venice Beach 🏖️🦾📰 The incredible hulk episode 🧡
Hey swami I've never seen that one. I'll check it out - thanks for letting me know 😃
Boyer Coe is NOT from Alabama. He is from Rayne, Louisiana.
Correct. His first teen contest was in Alabama with the LARGER point of the video being, that he would have moved in the same circles as Charles Gaines who hailed from the same region.
Great insight...thank you.
I've read in a few places that the whole Lou and his dad scenes are completely contrived. That his dad had a pretty distant relationship Lou. He never trained/mentored him and Lou didn't train in some small, insignificant gym in NY. It was all made up as a counterpoint to Arnold's confident persona and California lifestyle.
This appears to be not a documentary but rather a film/drama with the Olympia as merely a backdrop.
This is not taking anything away from Arnold as a bodybuilder who is the GOAT for me
I've mentioned the father relationship with lou's backstory in my daddy issues vid
@@carvedouttastone I'll check it out 👍
Another good one. Quantity not impacting quality
Thanks for that feedback Aryeh. I'll keep trying to maintain the quality with every vid, even though I feel my skills still need a lot of improvement in the production/technical area.
Mike Mentzer (was a friend of mine - met him in February 1979) lost the 1975 IFBB Mr. America to Robby Robinson (who was barely in the movie) but makes a cameo at the sports bar.
It was mentioned in the video
I kinda thought it was Mike in that split second shot, wow....looks like good ol Mike got screwed over in that deal too,he should have starred in that movie, or at least be featured in it
It was a bit before Mike's prime time though because he was still recovering from his earlier injury. If they had done The Comeback and used Mike in 1980 instead of just Arnold and Platz, it would have been the greatest
Serge Nubret was disqualified because he performed in a porn movie.
Danny Padilla sometimes claimed to be
Puertorican, sometimes Spaniard, sometimes Portugese .
He wasn't in a porn movie. Where is the footage of this so called porn movie. Ben Weider made it up so that he could kick Nubret out of the contest as well as his seat of power at the IFBB table as vice president
No, Padilla clearly stated his mother was Puerto Rican and father was from Spain. He never claimed Portuguese descent but as he was screwed out of competing for USA and Portugal didn't have an entrant for the short class the funny rationalization that Padilla presented to Oscar State was that his father would have had to pass through Portugal from Spain to reach the U.S.
Hilarious story from Danny right? 😂
Surge nubret looked awesome
Undeniably so
PI was a commercial movie. Not a documentary. As BB contests are very boring to the general public, they had to come up with several story lines in order to make it more interesting.
It was both. My fourth video on Pumping Iron the Truth goes into these common misconceptions. Arnold played up his behaviour in the film years afterwards as being dramatic license because he was running for governor and needed some deflection to filter his image - but butler argued that the film was very real to the events and characters with only a hint of direction here and there (eg the tshirt incident, Matty's involvement, some rivalry tension). Very few, if any documentaries are pure in their objectivity.
This was an excellent watch, super interesting to see a behind the scenes
Thanks for the comment Marco - hope you found this informative - more to come...
This is really interesting great stuff.
Really glad you enjoyed it VIP. Be sure to check out the other vids also.
Robby and Padilla should have been substituted for Katz and Waller. The 1st 2 physiques were ight years ahead of the latter 2.
Esp Waller is so overrated.
Waller and Katz were both overrated. Katz especially, was very out of proportion.
@David-lx4yb
I was watching some footage of the '81 Olympia today, and was asking myself how Waller ever got a pro card. He had not a single good bodypart.
Pumping Iron was all about Arnold. Others were just extras. The 1975 Mr. Olympia was decided in 1974 before filming had even begun.
Danny Padilla was the best bodybuilder of that era . Most complete . They feared and avoided him . His short statue kept him from winning. Politics.
Great vid. Boyer still trains 4 to 5 times a week, and he is still looks fantastic.
so glad to hear that Boyer is doing well because he's stopped giving interviews. Those amazing genetics stay with you for life when the sport is in your blood. Thanks for the comment TheJJJJs
Great video. Thank you
Robby shoulda got more screen time
Another guy that TOTALLY got screwed in his career. Working in Weider's warehouse while the other guys got the perks. Thanks for commenting Moise.
Even Waller admitted the "only guy i'm afraid of is Robby" when they were throwing that football around. Mike Katz was too unproportional.
@@martinblack781Excellent point
Brilliant vid 👍
Thanks Darren. Glad you found it enjoyable and appreciate that you commented 😊
@@carvedouttastone Love all the old school bodybuilders Paul Grant was my father's old training partner and good friend.Have you got any footage of Paul thanks 👍
4:41 Ben thinks Nubret was in the BBC😂
Arnold was pretty damn good in 73-74. But Sergio Oliva was overall the best bodybuilder of the 60-70 era.
Frank Zane just looks like a regular guy
My dad used to tell me They cut him out pumping iron because he made arnie look small and less shredded. I believed him for years until I realised he’d have been about 10 years old at the time .
lol
I'm muscular, I'm symmetrical, I'm tan, I drink protein milkshakes on the beach, and yet throngs of women don't gather around me.
Well, maybe if you flexed your personality a little more, the ladies would come flocking 😂
Only in the magazines my friend...Only in the magazines
They prolly think youre gay? You get much attention from the guys?
Just think how much better this movie could have been had they included all the other magnificent bodybuilders of the day who were also in their physical prime 😀
Larry Scott, Bill Pearl, Steve Reeves, Bertil Fox also missing
I had scott, pearl and Reeves in my extended analysis. Maybe a bit before Bertil's time tho. Loved Foxy - would like to see an interview now he's out of prison too.
Too late for the first three, too early for the Fox .
Nice to hear the whole story!
Yes many people got screwed and left out for sure.
It’s bodybuilding politics at its worst and Weider controlling most of it.
Thanks for commenting Steve. I wonder if the politics have gotten any better, or if the powers that be are just better at hiding it? I'm glad the ability to make money is more in the hands of the individual these days than it was in the past.
😂, what we receive from youngsters nowadays, people who were not born when the organization was building, now will contemplate, put salr on our minds.
So sad.
Weider totally controlled the IFBB, the money that the pros got, the magazine coverage, everything. As a youngster at the time I knew Weider was a dictator in bodybuilding. However, he recognised in Arnold, the best vehicle to make bodybuilding more popular to the public. He was correct.
Bill Grant, Danny Padilla, Sergio, and Arnold workout partner Ric Drasin.
Shame about Ric. He made his own video about why he didn't want to participate, so I left his inclusion out since he can tell it better in his own, now immortalised words. RIP
Yeah they asked him to be in the film but only to play his guitar which Ric was also a accomplished guitar player. They didnt want to pay him so Ric declined. Ric was geting paid wrestling at the time and would rather do that instead of competing for only a trophy. @@carvedouttastone
Robby Robinson, don’t know if he was mentioned
I would've liked to have seen more Robby. I had a arm training session with him back in 2013. Wish I filmed it now or at least took some pics :+/
They all deserve some credit especially back then , they built the sport
100 per cent. Good comment Charlie
This reminds me that back in the day there was none of the supplements there are today. Protein in all its variants wss the push, with articles and endorsements on how you needed massive quantities.
For those who blames that Arnold is the big one in this film (blabla Politics bla, thisone or thatone isbetterbla): Arnold was the Titan between 69 and 75, with many Mr Universe and Mr Olympia titles. Arnold was the top Star in the original book Pumping Iron (72) for the Mr O and Corney for the Universe (and Katz). Arnold was in 75 the most known BB in the US and nearly a household name, he was in many TV shows, Newspapers outside BB Mags and had a few cameos in TV and Movies. So when you want to make a Docu about BB in 75 for people outside the barbell world you take the BB with the name most people knows. Arnold was EVER looking for the limelight and Press, and in fact: In 75 or 79 EVERYBODY knows the Name Arnold Schwarzenegger (Hes the Muscleman, right?) but nobody outside the BB Mags knowed Sergio, Frank Zane or somebody else.
Do you have video fotage of Larry Samuels? He was quoted in Pumping Iron as well.
Haven't seen anything much on him beyond some pics and magazine articles. I think he died pretty young, no?
Great video
Bodybuilding has been corrupt since it’s beginning it’s no more than a pageant. The money men run it and whoever serves them more will place. Good video put together well.
Good work and research.Supppose nobody at the time knew what a classic this would become. Much has changed in the sport meanwhile, but the pro competitions are as rigged as ever.
Very true. The confluence of events and timing was like catching lightning in a bottle. The pro ranks today....what do you think of them? I can barely be bothered to keep up with them to follow.
@@carvedouttastone Things have changed since what we now sometimes call the Golden Era. I miss the well written articles in the magazines the most. Social Media is no substitute for the journalism the sport once enjoyed, including good photographers. Especially pro BB has lost some of its style, selling freaks rather than Greek gods to the masses. On the other hand, it could not forever remain a subculture of enthusiasts.
Total Rebuild!
Have you seen that doco? What did you think?
Here from Leo's shoutout
Thanks so much for dropping by and leaving a comment Terry. So grateful Leo shouted me out.
Always love supporting my fellow Australians
Great video, I first saw pumping iron for the first time in 1980 I went on to watch it about fifty times in my life. Things sure weren't fair back then were they? Joe and Ben bordered on criminal behavior when it came to anything having to do with Arnold, which of course is why he won again in 1980 when he actually should have placed fourth!
I've been to the Weider office in Woodland Hills California where it all began. I've walked around in Joe's office, it was very surreal.
It all began in Montreal
Frank Zane is actually listed in the credits and you can just barely catch a glimpse.
They originally filmed some footage of Frank in a white lab coat doing a nutrition discussion, but obviously it was pulled. They were going to really focus in on Frank as a main character, but it was mentioned he didn't have that same screen charisma as Arnold did so just as well he didn't participate
oooh at what part?, like the wide gym shot at the start?
@@multirevelator At 1:09:58 when they are doing the night time group judging for the under 200lb. class. they even zoom in on him for a brief second.
@@rang123yea5 oh wow thanks for the reply and timestamp, will check it out!
I have Frank's whole posing routine from that Olympia I will add it next time to a video
When Bodybuilders looked like Bodybuilders...not like waterfilled balloons with big bellys, tongue out while posing and looking like stars from a freak show. Pro BB died with Yates.
Yates looks downright aesthetic in his early Olympia wins, but the decline aligned with the judging and fan demands for hypermusuclar physiques - ie freaks. It's been a downward spiral since
Came to watch the video again because it’s just SO good 👏 well done and so many interesting pieces of information that you normally wouldn’t hear of just by watching Pumping Iron.
Love the little tidbit fact on the Arnold is Numero Uno shirt!
Thanks so much for that lovely comment 😘💖
Great video, I think people who had quotes in pumping iron the book, should have been in the movie.
Yes great point. The quotes from the book are awesome and provide some real depth of insight into the sport and characters. Thanks for watching Zatoichi (the blind swordsman?)
@@carvedouttastone Thank you for an awesome video!
You're very welcome sir
Great video, thank you. Arnold is sitting on 100 hours of bodybuilding gold. After learning he worked hard to distance himself from the cartoon character image of bodybuilders he believes Joe Weider was marketing Arnold wont want his image tampered with so that footage may well not exist anymore.
Hey SirGregg thanks for watching and leaving a comment. Some of the footage shows up in Arnold's new Netflix documentary in the first and second episodes. Was an absolute treat to see and wish he would release more.
To jave put all these amazing bodybuilders in pumping iron and to give them the same.attention as lou, Arnold and Katz, would of meant that the movie would jave run foe another 100 minutes. I personally would have loved this but they needed to sell this to the general public so having a 2 and a half 3 hour movie about bodybuilders may have scared away many potential viewers.
Agreed and I made that exact point at the beginning; it's more of a hypothetical, what if analysis, including some backstory of people who were definitely shut out of the production despite having hours of filming behind them. I personally think the Katz Waller sidestory a little weak - and could have been replaced with many other alternative character arcs or narratives