Toyota CEO: "This NEW Engine Will Destroy The Entire EV Industry!"
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- Although several engines have been around for a while, it is becoming increasingly clear that there are more efficient ways to provide the necessary power to transport our cars from point A to point B. Toyota believes that hydrogen power is the way to go and that its new engines will render electric vehicles obsolete. It's time to examine the development of Toyota's engines in more detail and discover some other factors that contribute to Toyota's position as a market leader. How does Toyota achieve this? Can Toyota's hydrogen-powered internal combustion engine replace electric vehicles?
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I will tell you right now electric cars CAN NOT FUNCTION IN COLD CLIMATE. I am in Canada and every single person Ive spoken to about their Tesla/electric car HATES it. They get maybe 40% of the advertised range due to the cold.
Just need a warm garage.
@@walterrumohr7090 Just be the Human Torch
Total agree
There are a number of people developing a solid state battery that will not be effected by weather.
Yeah… The country of Norway has 90% new vehicle sales are EV. I guess in your world Norway is in the tropics right?
I was a lineman in the northeast for 35 years and ill tell you that during a heat wave the grid gets maxed out,fuses start blowing wires start melting and transformers start blowing up from exessive demand. 100 billion dollars to sufficiently upgrade the the entire US grid by 40% is a ridiculous pipe dream,it will cost way more than that. Prepair for insane electric bills coming in the next decade.
Sounds like a good investment to get into
We just sent another 40 billion to Ukraine but we cant upgrade our grid…
The infrastructure has been neglected for decades because of tax cuts to the wealthy. They make profits off it at our expense. Upgrade for everyday Americans.
It's not mutually exclusive. The electric utility companies are monopolies and have no incentive to innovate
@@snowranger69 Some like Texas Utility have proven negligent. Columbia River Utilities have been pretty good.
The only problem is HOW EXPENSIVE hydrogen power cost ?????
There is a reason why Toyota is the highest seller in the auto industry. This is the future.
....... but hydrogen is 100% electric. It is not a fuel source, just a conduit.
I don't see H2 working outside of construction. As for H2, you still need the electric grid to make H2. And fuel cells are still bloody expensive.
Toyota knows it has to create a safe, efficient, affordable vehicle before it will be sold to the public.
making money is number 1 tho
if somebody can do it right it's toyota
@@lalatubby4836that is applicable to China manufacturers
Their reputation is thelr brand
@@lalatubby4836Yes because if they don't make money they'll go bust. That's capitalism.
It’s not about carbon, it’s about redistributing the world’s resources
"It’s not about carbon, it’s about redistributing the world’s resources"
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Rare metals to make batteries are called rare for a reason.
How much of distribution do you expect?
@@allgoo196lithium is not rare
@@O.G.G.1974
"Lthium is not rare"
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Proof?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium
"Lithium is a comparatively rare element,..."
"always in very low concentrations..."
@@O.G.G.1974wtf, it's not as abundant as copper or even silver lol
@@allgoo1990also, lithium is not the only element that be used. Is it the most effective right now? Yes. Will it be the only one? Absolutely not.
You know its gonna be a banger when Toyota and Yamaha decide to work a project together
The part I don’t understand is where the hydrogen is coming from? As far as I know, as per today, the two only way of producing hydrogen are to burn methane which produce an enormous amount of carbon monoxide or use electricity to extract hydrogen from water (electrolysis process). Based on their carbon footprint, both of these processes are considered highly inefficient.
In addition to that the produced hydrogen will be needed mostly for industrial purposes.
Up to now round about 90 percent of the used hydrogen is produced by fossile fuels or nuclear power.
I thought producing hydrogen needs a lot of electricity. Transportation and transfer of hydrogen also pose safety concerns especially when equipment ages.
China already invented new technology, which is solid hydrogen. Safer for transportation and lowest cost, but same efficiency. Ev will be out of market real soon.
Best feasable opción are e-fuels. Which are carbon neutral.
Okay because the gas of hydrogen is highly explosive@@flyingtortise2725
You may want to check out NEOM in Saudi Arabia. Hydrogen will be produced entirely from renewable sources. Wind, Solar.
@@felipeschneider10y😊 pi no mo kk😢
As we have noticed, anytime government gets involved in whatever it does it screw it up or makes it so complicated it becomes unintelligible!
Hydrogen i.c.engines are already in use, JCB, makers of heavy duty machinery are already using them.
But what advantage does a hydrogen engine - still with hundreds of moving parts to wear, break or require regular servicing have, over a typical EV, which has around 30 moving parts, requires minimum servicing attention, and can be fuelled at home for a fraction of the cost of using public refuelling stations (or for free if you have solar)?
A)
How would the hydrogen be produced?
There are two main options:
Use electricity, which would demand 3 times more usage of electricity than an electric car.
Use methane to make the hydrogen - it would have the drawback of not being much better than a petrol car.
B)
Anyone saying that the thrill of accelerating a muscle car is way better than an electric car with the same power can not have seriously tried an electric power car.
Toyota and Yamaha have been partners for a number of years. The cylinder heads for a number of Toyota's were made for engines such as the 18RG in the late sixties and early seventies. It was used in the Celica exported to every country in the world except the US. Celicas shipped to the US had 18R, 20R and the 22R engines until they changed the car to front wheel drive.
The 18RG was a twin overhead cam unit that was a beast to drive in that small of a car. Also look at the Lexus overhead engines, I believe they are Yamaha creations.
Pipe dream.
Close to my home here in South Yorkshire England is an experimental ‘Gas’ station. A single wind turbine is used to power the electrolysis of ground water to fill large underground tanks with hydrogen. Here you can freely fill your Hydrogen powered vehicle. Then the surplus is used to power generators to feed the grid. So fuel for your car from wind and water. How will the taxman manage to tax air and ground water?
They will find a way believe it.
road tax £4000 a year lol just like our log burner they can't tax the government hate us
Good point they try something for real
They won't tax air or ground water. The tax burden will simply be moved to actual road *usage* using a system of road tolls. It won't matter how your vehicles is powered, whether it be sunshine, oil, hydrogen or chicken sh*t, you will pay according to how much you use the roads, with a distance based system.
Gotta love South Yorkshire 👍
i wonder who paid for this ad.....opps i mean video
1. Where will the hydrogen come from?
2. Hydrogen will not need an "infrastructure"?
BMW introduced a hydrogen internal combustion 700 series back in the 90s. They had grandiose plans to build hydrogen refueling stations to support their new technology. They couldn't make it work. I see no difference here.
California is currently building hundreds of them, starting in 2024. The money has already been allocated.
That's because there are none. Nothing much has changed.
@@vetsai8199California democrats spending money they don't have thereby increasing California's deficit. Classic.
I saw a VW TDI jetta with CNG ( compressed natural gas ) get 120 miles per gallon and runs cleaner than jist diesel or regular gasoline .. Plus when the CNG runs out the car still runs on diesel at around 50 MPG ..
Remember the Hindenburg?
Question 1 : How many gas stations are willing to invest by installing a hydrogen pump to replace the old gas pump without having enough business initially ?
Question 2 : Hydrogen is an extremely explosive fuel. Some underground parking lots or tunnels do not allow hydrogen vehicles to enter. As a new user, would you still consider buying hydrogen vehicles under so much inconvenient restrictions ? If it is proved not suitable in reality, it is also very difficult to resell it !
In reality, hydrogen fuel is only suitable for big trucks travelling along some highway (without tunnels) such that they only require a few fuel stations along the highway over a very long distance.
Japan government should keep & use their radioactive filter water for this engine.
I have a 2011 Prius. I just bought a 2024 Prius Prime XSE. Color: Wind Chill Pearl. Beautiful, comfortable, powerful, excellent performance. I believe that the Plug in hybrid technology is the best for the foreseeable future!
ah the famed Toyota Hindenburg.....if i can't refuel at home then i'm not interested
There’s always compressed natural gas…you can refuel that at home! But it pollutes, too!
better can refuel everywhere in few minutes rather than few hours at your home.
The statement that "windchill lowers the temperature below air temperature" is grossly incorrect.
Not a word about the energy it takes to produce Hydrogen.
I think Toyota caught their appendage in the door, Any businessman knows that if you're not first to the market, you might as well never tried. Hydrogen power is too difficult to maintain. Hydrogen has to be produced, it has to be "canned" under high pressure and unlike solar panels that provide electricity to EVs it takes machinery to use outside energy to make. It's sad to see them try to promote it. You lose guys. Not to mention that if a canister of hydrogen gets punctured it'll be like 100 sticks of dynamite are going off. Somebody at Toyotat is trying to preserve their job until they can find a new one. Sad.
The next energy technology is Tetrac owned by Loki and the Avenger, which is only in size of our palm but can empower a naval carrier for 1000 years.
In denmark we have windmills that helps producing hydrogen. Atm they use surplus electricty from the windmills to produce, when the rest of the grid isn’t pulling energi
Porsche's carbon neutral fuel
makes a new fuel that’s clean made from air pollution and other stuff , it’s tested in Chile 🇨🇱 and it can be used in any old petrol or diesel car .. so getting very exited to drive old cars again 🎉 woo hoo !
LOL. According to the US EPA, the GHG emissions associated with an EV over its lifetime are typically lower than those from an average ICE vehicle, even when accounting for manufacturing.
The fewer the parts the better.
Right?
Reduced probability of failure, right?
Easy math.
The typical ICE has ~2000+ moving parts.
An EV drivetrain has about 20.
You do the math.
Solid state batteries are imminent.
No fire hazard. Shorter charging time. Longer range.
Be patient. It's still a relatively new industry/market niche.
Thanks, Elon!
Yeah, but the Wankel engine didn’t work either!
Even if the infrastructure issue is resolved, nobody is going to by a hydrogen car unless there is a performance advantage.
There would be
Or cost advantage. Electricity prices are soaring and not everyone can afford to install solar.
Well done Toyota ! The only sensible company.
Actually, a company who is seriously lagging behind their competitors when it comes to EV's.
Too little too late.Hydrogen was touted as the saviour over 20 years ago but nobody,including Toyota would run with it,which included investing in a hydrogen infrastructure.Nothing has changed,just needs a safe infrastructure.
@@reglockyer9234 Although EV’s are getting a bad wrap for car fires, ICE cars catch fire nearly 300% more. But have you ever seen Toyota’s Hydrogen car collision tests by NHTSA? One look at that and no one will buy into Hydrogen fueled cars…. Besides, the gas is too volatile, filling stations won’t be able to insure themselves… therefore it’s DOA
@@reglockyer9234 General Motors were blowing hydrogen's trumpet 40 years ago....
@@mt508 and? ev's are dead end technology and they know it. They sell to 200 countries worldwide. Countries that would even entertain the idea of an EV only market, number in the single digits, maybe low teens. They might just stop selling cars in North America and Western Europe if they are forced to make EV's exclusively for those markets, and i wouldn't blame them. They cant just overhaul their entire company and manufacturing facilities to cater to the whims of some tree huggers in a different hemisphere.
Hydrogen tanks become the long pole if you go that route. They are investing in tank technology but they currently cost $25,000 which is more than batteries. H2 is also not dense unless it’s cryogenic.
Toyota is Spot on!
Toyota is correct.....a mixed market of fuel typesfor different needs is the way forward. Horses for courses.
China will be the key factor here! If the battery powered car becomes 90% of the market, it will be not feasible for the hydrogen powered to catch up in term of costs, infrastructure and innovation. If CATL sodium battery can further improve the range to 600Km per charge with the new concept of condensed battery, what is there left for Toyota hydrogen car ?
"If CATL sodium battery can further improve the range to 600Km per charge...."
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Keep dreaming.
When they can take a fill up of water and extract the hydrogen on board...... that's there end game
Forgot a big part of the issue with hydrogen. In order to get 100 Wh of energy in hydrogen, you need 120 Wh of energy to create it. Now since a battery vehicle can move 1 km in 140 Wh, that means the hydrogen car needs to move almost 1 km in 100 Wh, otherwise it is energy inefficient.
Starting to think about energy efficiency rather that miles per litre is much more useful in comparing systems. Lower energy consumptions, means less energy needed on larger scale.
If I'm still around when Toyota introduces hydrogen powered vehicles, this will be my mode of transportation for sure.
Then checkout Toyota Mirai, its available..
My Lexus RX 300 ,46 k still new can’t use it Ulez zone.swap for Nissan diesel automatic,this car stored for 15 years due to I.ll nes,starts on the button looks drives like new,who wants it
Save my words, thank you.
And where are you going to get hydrogen to fill your car? Building an infrastructure of hydrogen filling stations will be super costly and totally impractical, and it has to be done across the world. Sorry but it won't happen...
Do you think the oil companies are going to let their "grass get cut"... when they can pump Hydrogen?@@tonyshergold6023
Yes.. do not be RESTRICTED on SINGLE solution.. GO to innovate HYDROGEN and NEW TECH. ❤❤❤
I have always been a H2 supporter. We need to work on H2 production. They have improved and lower production cost and I believe we will get there. The problem is when.
Remember the Hindenburg?
Hydrogen's biggest problem is that it will still need to transported everywhere, just as petrol and diesel is now. Electricity needs no transportation. Plus you will never be able to fill up a hydrogen car at home on a cheaper rate than established public filling points. The oil industry desperately want hydrogen to succeed, so they once again take control of production, distribution and pricing, just as they did with oil based fuels...... And irony is that every single hydrogen filling point will need a supply of *electricity* to operate.......
@@Brian-om2hh TBF, it'll still be cheaper than the electricity prices we pay now. That's the main reason I was put off buying an EV. Here in Australia we're paying about $1000 to $2000 (~$650 to ~$1300 US) per quarter. If we didn't have solar that'd be killer. As it is, we're still paying about $200 to $300.
An EV would wipe that saving. We can't afford that. Heck, there are some people talking about going off grid with petrol run generators as they're cheaper day-to-day than the electricity prices.
EVs are a rich person's car.
The key problem of using Hydrogen is building the H2 gas station infrastructure. Hydrogen is extremely dangerous to handle as a storage due to its explosive nature. EV is ahead of the Zero emmission race because electricity infrastructures are already available at homes. Plus there is efficiency loss to covert water as Hydrogen as fuel from electricity.
This is why I'm shopping for a Toyota. They've been my heroes ever since their creation of Lexus. They have more than proved their superiority in engineering, character, and ethics. …
I 100 percent agree! I'm embarrassed and ashamed for the others, we are in 2023.
I agree. My 2004 Tacoma has 300k miles. Original clutch, no engine work, and it uses less than a half quart of oil every 5000 miles. I have no idea how American auto makers stay in business.
My wife and I bought our first Toyota Avalon new in year 2000 ever since then we’ve bought nothing but Toyota and Lexus cars. Their quality workmanship is second to none.
I have solar panels. Solar is being installed everywhere. I like charging my EV for free
Not entirely true. You have invested significantly in your own power gen plant. But that aside, it does give you self sufficiency
Will Toyta install a hydrogen distribution service worldwide as Tesla has for EVs ?
Can I fill a hydrogen car up at home on my drive from my solar panels?
It won't matter. Nothing is going to touch Tesla now.
Have you noted that Ford will be selling solid-state batteries? If this is true (stated by the CEO), then Tesla will lose their top spot @@thedatajanitor9537
They are getting on for 200 billion dollars in debt and Father Christmas doesntb deliver there
Very informative and well made documentary but please for that is sacred get rid of that intrusive flickering effect on the stock bits. Is extremely annoying, if I was epileptic I would have had a seizure for sure.
That great news from Toyota keeps it up it’s sound a lot better than battery
Please explain how it is a "lot" better?
So, hydrogen is simply an energy storage system. Where does the energy to separate and isolate H come from? Electricity?
Most of the hydrogen comes from processed natural gas or hydrolysis from water. Water vapor from the tailpipe can freeze on the roadways. A heavy storage tank is required. It however can be part of the solution. 100% electric is impossible and will lead to a small percentage of the population having access to cars.
You Got it, Toyota! I don’t want no stink in’ EV!
😂 They sound like Steve Ballmer talking about the iPhone
The biggest problem with Hydrogen is transportation, refuelling and storage. Without these sorted out, hydrogen engines are not going to likely survive. The idea itself is the right way to go but the problem is the governments needs to put more funding in to hydrogen infrastructure instead of joining the bandwagon and forcing everyone to get electric.
Hydrogen is equivalent to high gas prices Where to go 300 miles on electric is about $19 dollars and that’s in California where gas and electricity are very expensive .
Hydrogen is also incredibly explosive.
@@Hammydavis That’s because electric cars only make 1% of the total no. Cars on the road. Imagine a 100 times more load on the grid than what it is experiencing right now and then watch the prices go up. And the prices won’t just go up for charging cars but it will go up for residences and businesses alike. Right now it works it’s a very short sighted plan. Unless they make fusion energy feasible I suppose, in which case they would have made the most profitable decision.
Major plane mfg are searching ways to use hydrogen as well
***let markets decide, not governments, just leave gov´s only for safety, you will see that EVs will win the race, but there will be market for any other method.***
Hydrogen has been dispelled over and over again. Some toyota engineer made a calculation mistake and now the company is stuck with expensive hydrogen.
Australia and Australia hmm? Geez them Ozzies really don't like normal cars ey with that double ban😁
Hydrogen is very easy to produce right at the carburetor level, The trick is they vibrate the water (not oscillate, big dif!!), whether it be salt water or clear just a different filter system. Anyway , just so you understand in very basic tech, The center of a magnet is referred to as the "B" field (or Nutron), When you vibrate the water with the "B" field the water will separate the Oxy and Hydrogen at any rate you need to power your engine. LET's be crystal clear we are talking about a Sawtooth vibration at the correct frequency and were good.
Mr Toyota is right ...the pollution of the batteries is huge as the power needed by electricity produced by carbon based facilities
That's been gradually going away as renewables take over. They're already displacing coal power plants everywhere right now. It is no longer viable to run coal plants.
Only a bot could be this clueless. A bot employed by the petro industry bwahahahaha
hydrogen an element. burns clean and readly available. the downside highly explosive. work out a safe fuel cell and you've got the answer to replace fossil engines.
Invention of alternative batteries is on its way, soon batteries will be made from non-toxic materials and with battery life as long as the car's life.
Two negatives,1,Carbon is life giving and dosnt need reducing,2 Hydrogen is a poor power element being very expensive to produce and store.This "new" engine is just a regular IC engine converted to run on hydrogen.
it takes a lot of hydrogen volume to make a car go 300 miles between refills. Unless you use hydrogen in fuel cells.
They can make it more efficient
That IS what they do!
They don’t tell you that the membranes between 400 cells in fuel cells need replacing every 10,000 km or twice a year.reselling the fuel cell could also be a problem as hydrogen molecules are the smallest know to man and will leak through just about anything.
They have made them go 430 miles between fill-ups. I think Honda has the fuel cells.
Increasing the U.S. electrical generating capacity by 40% would only cost 100 billion dollars? That sounds too good to be true. How much have we spent in Ukraine? We spent $113 billion in just the first year of that war.
If they had good arguments, they would not repeat each several times and they would not hire actors with dramatic voices to deliver the soliloquy. They are trying to sell us their enormous investment into hydrogen, but they don’t believe in it themselves.
1) Hydrogen is extremely flammable. 2) Hydrogen engine is still an ICE that has many moving parts. Less moving parts means less maintenance
I have an EV and very happy I am with it. My neighbour has a hydrogen/petrol car. She likes the car, but the size of the hydrogen tank means that boot space is very, very limited. Plus recharging it is difficult. Toyota is in the pocket of the gas/oil industry so hardly unbiased imo. Shall wait and see but think it'll be a while.
Thanks for that opinion which mirrors what I think.
I thought that I was mad in fact this is the real thing to do !!!!never leave the thermal engine !!!
Yes!!!!! This is the technology I will support!
Good luck with that then. Hydrogen as a motive power fuel is a dead end. The future is here now and it's called battery electric vehicles which globally are now selling one million a month.
Go get a book about airships in the '20 and '30.. or just look up for the Hindenburg. Basically, if you crash with a hydrogen driven car that has hydrogen tanks the probability that you explode the whole neighborhood is very high, lol
Electric fanboys just can’t handle the idea of any other tech.
@@somenygaard I would be happy to see any 'tech' that can deliver zero emissions using a sustainable and recyclable power source but right now there's nothing other than electric motors as the source of power and batteries as the source of energy.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 what you meant to say is right now there is nothing. No but. Zero emissions is an immediate nonstarter. There is no such thing.
Good for Toyota rejecting EVs for the very same sane reasons and objections raised by most sensible and thoughtful people world wide
I wonder if the Japanese government will bail them out when they go bankrupt? I reckon Toyota might merge with other Japanese auto makers.
They ARE falling behind!
This is not a video exclusively about the hydrogen engine that is going to make Evies seem obsolete. Could you get on with it in the remake of this video?
Very interesting. In my mind though, the use of the petroleum products are with us for decades. I collect cars, so do many others. I really can’t see at least in my life, gas powered cars becoming redundant.
You can still buy vacuum tubes. So I agree.
It will be when gasoline is $20 a gallon.
... or back to $2 per gallon due to lack of demand 😁
Does that thought apply in heavily populated cities or near schools?
Key statement: "It requires a lot of fossil fuel to produce hydrogen."
I think the last statement in the video is the bottom line, they both have to co-exist as the both have thier pros and cons
Imo, gasoline powered automobiles will take longer than expected to phase out in some parts of the world cause the infrastructure for their alternatives haven't been established globally just yet
Hydrogen is feasible for large trucks, not cars.
The rest of this is just spin. 70 years ago almost 0 homes had a/c. Now 85% have a/c, and yet, the grid kept up.
Hydrogen powered is good but instead of thinking about it try to improve EV tech like sodium batteries and hydrogen transportation is a huge problem
Huge hidden costs not accounted for: One subsidy dollar takes about $20 in economic activity to generate which in turn produces 20 times more carbon. Also to give out tax dollars an equal tax or inflation must also be compensated by increased production. Also, a huge percentage of our electricity is generated by burning coal, and wind and solar have a huge amount of dirty subsidy dollars as well.
Hydrogen does not produce carbon.
Splitting water produces more carbon than burning the fuel directly@@bobbydaniels7263
This will be the end of Toyota if they continue on this path. They will destroy themselves, not the EV industry.
What is easier to distibute... electricity through cables in a distribution network that mostly already exists or hydrogen in massive storage tanks and tankers travelling all over the country ?
There is no way the electric grid can handle that demand.
@@sidallen685 And you didn't answer the question, which is easier ?
@@sidallen685 we're upgrading everything, not just throwing millions of EVs on the road. The electrical grid is gonna have a lot more, smaller, modular nuclear builds that have a much smaller footprint, way higher safety standard, easier maintenance, etc. That's on top of renewables already replacing coal peaker plants.
@@sidallen685 if each house was built out with batteries and solar, it would spread the demand and put less stress on the system.
@@sidallen685 Wrong. Google 'Six myths busted about EVs'...it takes you to the people who run the grid in the UK, they will explain why the transition away from ICE to electric motors will not be a problem.
Converting electricity to hydrogen is not efficient. Solar + batteries is the future. If you think expanding electrical infrastructure is a challenge, hydrogen is many times more difficult.
It will have very little impact. It costs about the same as gasoline to fill up versus about$6 to $8 to fill up an EV at home. The worst part is they charge over 100k to replace fuel cells so you have to scrap the car versus for electric the battery is 10k to 25k.
What does a new horse cost ?? 😂
@russozelinskyright on. They need to address the cause of the problem 👍
I really don't understand why they are pushing for EV cars instead of a technology that is helpful to the end user when the process of charging is a nightmare to say the least, I will definitely go for the Toyota way.
Free SUN..
I see sparse parking spaces in cities going to near zero to make room for charging stations. A catastrophe as they fine any non-EV parking there!
The one item NO ONE talks about with regard to EV's is ROAD USE TAX needed to build and maintain roads.
Would it be possible to find a stabilizing agent to add to the hydrogen to make the storage of liquid, hydrogen, easier and safer and less volatile until the engine, consumed the fuel, and separated the mixture?
If this could be possible, then we could store this know differently then we store gasoline, and pumping into our vehicles now
"Would it be possible to find a stabilizing agent to add to the hydrogen to make the storage of liquid, hydrogen, easier and safer and less volatile until the engine, consumed the fuel, and separated the mixture?
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No.
Do some research online and you will find that the answer is yes.
@@TheLRider
"Do some research online and you will find that the answer is yes."
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Why don't you post the link instead?
Don't expect others to do a work for you.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_safety
Excerpt,
"Typically it will evaporate at a rate of 1% per day..."
It's a nature of hydrogen, you can't stop it.
Yeah they're called battreries 🔋
@@sausagemcgregory
Do you know how much of improvement they have made in last 100 years?
The answer: only twice.
They are NEVER, let me say it again, NEVER build these complicated hydrogen refulling stations that are WAY more costly and complicated then EV charging stations......
In the USA and Asia countries, people are slowly moving to Solar energy for power. so whoever has EV cars, they mostly get power from Solar energy. Currently, EV cars are mostly used for local commutes not for long distances.
Solar is limited to daylight and sunny weather.
@@routmaster38 Batteries are already invented
EVs are capable of extended journeys not just local journeys. Go for a rest drive and see for yourself.
Looking like E.Vs are starting to destroy themselves without Toyota .😮
Hydrogen cars are extremely inefficient, and I guess that will lead to their death, before they even came alive.
From water to movement the losses are ginormous.
In Denmark the last two hydrogen tankstations closed a month ago, leaving the few Mirai owners behind.
Remember when Blue Ray and HD DVD competed ? Hydrogen will be HD DVD , why are they even bothering. Most major companies are already investing in electric, as is the government.
Mining both lithium and cobalt is a very toxic process, as well as expensive-if you are doing it safely! You DON’T want to breathe in the dust of either! Lithium batteries are also very combustible. China uses child labor to mine cobalt in Africa because the mine entrances are so small-basically just a small but deep pit. I think most of us have seen the videos of children being lifted into them! Unfortunately, most of the cobalt in the world is either in Africa or South America. It is also needed for medical use, as is lithium. Who has dibs on the limited amount of both-the e-car industry or the pharmaceutical industry? personally, I can’t in good conscience buy a car that uses either of these rare minerals-especially when both are toxic and one uses child labor! I will buy a hydrogen fuel-cell car when I’m in the market for a new car in 2024!
LFA battries are there to substitute cobalt. PBA sodium ion batteries are the future. BTW, what about platinum used in fuel cells? It's significantly rarer than lithium.
Concern about toxic...start your ICE engine in your closed garage and then tell us about toxic.
LFP batteries are becoming the dominant chemistry in the near term and don't use cobalt.
@@Brad-sb1dk Duh! That’s from the by-products! The mining of cobalt and lithium is what is toxic. At least the by-product of hydrogen is water, and hydrogen is very cold and stored in armored cylinders.
So your not buying batteries with similar chemistries in laptops phones and so many other gadgets for consistency?Hoping you didn’t use a laptop or phone with batteries for this post, for consistency right?
EV is not going to last. I can agree with the CEO of Toyota.
I stay in South Africa and towns and cities are far between. To go on a holiday you could easily drive between 600 and 1400km to get to your destination. And if you go on a safari in the bush there is NO WAY that electric car will ever be able to do it. You need at least 100 to 200L of diesel fuel between towns if you are in the bush
The price point of EVs is currently way too high for most people. The H2 solution is at least 20 years away due to lack of infrastructure and energy required to make it. Other solutions such as autonomous vehicles that can be rented on demand may fill the gap.
Only 5-10 years away, it's being built very quickly. As natural gas demand slows the infrastructure will be used for H2, it's coming and the EV community knows this so there very hyper in denouncing it as not green.
@@nigelwillis345 too expensive to build the station. too danger to produce it at home. So the snow ball could not start rolling, every step, it need a push and eventually nobody have that much pushes left.
@@henrychen8256 It's happening now, just follow the H2 trail.
ev car price is dropping. remember smart phone price? was expensive at first but as more and more people buy, the price declined
So, you feel EV's are too expensive? Yet the *only* two hydrogen production cars currently available, are the Toyota Mirai, costing in excess of £50k in Britain, and the Hyundai Nexo SUV costing £70k plus here..... Both waaaaaay more than most EV's......
and evs burst into flames.
So did the Hindenburg 🔥
I figured the whole child slavery in the Congo digging for Cobalt would have been enough to do it.. Sadly, I was wrong.
Except LFP doesn’t have that issue, and your phone/laptop still will. Go figure eh
Child labor sounds harsh. Do you know that hunger is more harsh than child labor?
@ferozahmed5846 - So child slave labor is ok then because kids are hungry too ? Quite the logic you have there.
@@HardRockMinerit is better, and just see what it did to China. Also do keep in mind cobolt is used in Gasoline and diesel cars aswell
@kimf.wendel9113 - Child slave labor in The Congo is out of control because of the demand needed for EV, cellphone batteries, etc. The amounts needed to refine gas are minimal and would be nowhere near the demand needed to drive the slavery happening to get Cobalt today. You're 1 of those problems for every solution type people. You probably drive an EV, and you need to justify it to yourself by pretending that my 2 gas vehicles are just as responsible for supporting slave labor as your EV is.
I don't really take this seriously. I see a corporation that spent an enormous amount of capital investing in hydrogen and is dead set on trying to get a return on that investment. Heck, the reason why the US is far behind China with batteries and EV adoption is because our politicians are bought and sold by the oil industry. China realizes that locally sourced energy, that isn't energy intensive to produce, is better than relying on oil which price is prone to huge price fluctuations because of other countries volatilely. Energy independence is better for homeland security. (fyi the oil industry gets handed trillions of dollars a year by several countries including the US, and that is free money in addition to the profits they get from sales alone not to mention the tax breaks and subsidies).
This is pretty cool. We are half way thru 2023. I say bring the innovation. But to fight carbon emissions EVs and hydrogen vehicles alone is not enough. We fight carbon emissions by talking money out of politics. If you take the ability of politicians to be able to take money from big corporations to do their biting… then maybe we can get people in the government that is going there to truly represent us. It shouldn’t be that hard to move forward and switch to cheaper renewable energy. But the millions of dollars that big oil spends to keep using fossil fuels will make this switch impossible.
I would applaud Hydrogen ICE technology, but one wonders how Toyota plans to generate hydrogen without the same problem they assigned to EVs because of a lacking electricity grid?
By the time Hydrogen gets into the tank you have already lost over half the energy from converting water to hyydrogen / oxygen, transporting and compressing.
By the time electricity makes it to your house from the power plant you have already lost most of that power.
@@pointmanzero 0.5% to 1% per 100 miles for high voltage. Hydrogen loses 50% in electrolysis 15 % or so in compression and cooling, and another 20% before it is converted to electricity, then usually 3 to 5% more going to the motor. Web search for more detail and accuracy but the point is that hydrogen is super bad in cost and volumetric energy density.
@damaliamarsi2006 like they said about EV's, ' it's a new technology'. Nothing starts out perfect.
This is why the water battery is not a solid idea!
@@shawnb4938 Agree but hydrogen as a fuel "source" is a very long way from being cost efficient, and is not even an energy source, rather a very inefficient energy transfer method.
In the 1970’s a guy created a car that runs on water. He met with some important people on the technology. When he left the restaurant, he told his brother before he died, they poisoned me! Hmmm….
What will they do about old batteries from EV's?
Recycle them. Those batteries are over 90% recyclable. Guess why we don't recycle batteries as a society today. Because EVERYTHING renewable is a threat to corporate profits. At least according to the old way of thinking. Everything will be different in the future.
Charcoal grill it
@@trinsitProbably dumping them in third world countries
hey boy it is not a negetive point for electric cars that dont make noise, it is a positive point.
Such sensationalist titles from these TH-camrs. Sheesh.
H is flammable yes, does not burn , it blows up, it is explosive, danger