THE TRUTH! My Real Thoughts about the Mustang Dark Horse
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- Over 7,000 miles into my ownership of the Ford Mustang Dark Horse, let's talk about the pros and cons, while at the track for the first time! I'm at Apex Motor Club in Arizona to talk about what I like, what could be improved, and some further thoughts. All meanwhile, with the V8 roaring!
I collected the S650 7th gen Mustang back in October, and the last 4 months have flown by since leaving Pat Milliken Ford, and shipping the car off to Ceramic Pro Chicago for the PPF installation. In the time since we set off on a massive tour down to Florida, and then across the country to Las Vegas to attend SEMA. Since then, it's had some good runs around the West Coast including up to visit @TheStradman and then over to Velocity Invitational. Along the way it has had a few sets of tyres after I shredded the original Trofeo RS at @HennesseyPerformanceF5 and replaced them with some Michelin Cup 2 tyres, that I then had to change again after one had a full puncture.
For the spec of the American Shmeemobile, I went for the Dark Horse Handling Package to give it the upgraded suspension setup, wider wheels and tyres, and more aggressive aero, along with the 6 speed Tremec manual gearbox. Therefore, we've got a perfect spec machine for a track day outing, which brings us to where we are today.
Join me therefore at Apex Motor Club, a private member's facility south of Phoenix, Arizona, and a track where there are member's garages and a fully inclusive service to enhance the experience. With phase 1 in operation, the track is fully up and running, with even more to come in the future including a new clubhouse. A special thanks to my friend Kent, and the full team at Apex Motor Club for the opportunity to join and drive for the day.
There is no doubt that getting the beast out onto track makes for a seriously fun day, and something I've been looking forward to for sure. It's also been overdue to give some feedback and review thoughts on the car that I've now drive for many, many miles.
Thanks for watching, Tim
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:57 Mustang Update
03:55 Dark Horse Positives
06:28 Track Preparations
07:08 First Track Session
11:56 Dark Horse Neutral Feedback
15:06 Second Track Session
22:11 Dark Horse Negatives
28:35 Final Thoughts
33:02 Wrap Up
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I’m happy to see you keeping it real, many people don’t really talk about the minor inconveniences because well, it’s minor. Your reviews are class!
Agree.
Beautiful skies
I gotta say, I love the English words, phrases, etc. Casual conversation while tossing that car around pretty well for a first track day. Awesome!
Dark Horse vs Urus (w/ 4 passengers) head-to-head next time!
If you don't smoke the tyres again!
do it
Your seat problem is easily solved Tim. Since its got manual adjust seats, you can quickly & simply slide the seat back when getting in or out, then slide it forward when ready to drive. I do it each time I get in or out of my MX-5. Quickly fixed that issue.
Absolutely love the way you highlighted the pros and cons of the Mustang as well as driving it the way it was meant to be driven. Cheers mate! Drive safe!
Everytime Tim drops a Mustang Dark House Video, Dealer Markup goes up by $10k 😂
I'm not sure where you've Shopped, but I can connect you with Ford dealers in the DC area who aren't marking up their Dark Horse inventory.
@@DWH300 I'm pretty sure it's joke
Hey Shmee I live In Vancouver Canada. We get a lot of rain this time of year. Picked my Dark Horse on Jan 12. Two days later took off the Trefao RS put on some Pilot sport at4 to drive in the rainy days. I will then put them back on in summer. Also, I'm 6'2" 260 lbs I have the Recaros when I get in I just do what girls do with miniskirts. I sit in it then bring my legs over the sill and into the car. As for the dash just get a dash pad like you would do if you lived in Florida or anywhere it's sunny most of the year. But I have to say I love my Shadow black Dark Horse premium with the handling package and the Tremec and I bloody love it.
do we need handling pack if we dont track the car? I was thinking of saving money on tires and keeping the skinny ones to do burnouts and etc as their cheaper
@@jattposti8015 If you want to do burnouts buy a hellcat or demon. You buy a Dark Horse for cutting curves on back roads that tell you your alive.
Knowing what I know now and if given the chance to travel back in time to my graduating year of high school (2001) when we’re supposed to pick our career paths, it’s no Elon Musk, Bezos or Zuckerberg for me. I’d pick your line of work every time. You’re living the epitome of what it means to be a petrol head and that’s where my passion lies above all else. Cars.
And you are humble enough to know how special a job it is to do what you do while making a fine living along with it. A serious congratulations for all your hard work! Your fans appreciate it so so much!
@Shmee150 after watching the Rolex 24 hours of Daytona and seeing the Mustang GTD GT3's on the grid has got me even more excited for GTD road car, would love to see one become a future Shmeemobile!
The Dodge Challenger lineup is available with a NA V8 and a 6 speed manual also. I have a 2023 Dodge Challenger 392 T/A 6 speed manual with the R/T, Scat Pack, Widebody, and T/A packages on it. It's awesome. The manual on the Scat Pack gives you 3 more HP and 10 more ft-lbs of torque, for a total of 488 HP and 485 lb-ft of torque. Autos have 485 HP/475 TQ. The manual also has a 3.90 rear gear vs the 3.27 in the auto. I installed a Hurst Pistol Grip shifter too, which made a huge difference in the shifting quality. I love the car!
It's the last year for the cars you're talking about. That's why Stellantis skipped the Chicago auto show because they have only one new product released the past decade. The Alfa Romero Tonale, I mean Dodge Hornet. Nothing new to show. Mark Ups on the final editions are crazy with DC area dealers selling Demon 170s for $230,000 to over $300,000. If the only feature owning a Hemi Dodge or even a Hemi Chrysler is driving a dated interior car in a straight lines. That's what it's made for. That's why you don't see Challenger in the IMSA GTD Pro series. I'm finding the selections are currently good at your local Dodge dealers. I own a 2018 chrysler 300C Hemi purchased new in 2018. The only areas Stellantis is doing well at is destroying both the Dodge and Chrysler brands while focusing on Europe. From reviews and test drives. The Mustang lineup like the Dark Horse and GT with even the Refreshed 2025 Explorer ST are fresh, tech filled and not one trick ponies 😮😮handling both straight lines and road course performance. Stellantis is destroying both the Dodge and Chrysler brands. I will never purchase another Stellantis brand vehicle especially after test driving a Dark Horse with a handling package
picking up mine Monday, Shmee!! EXACTLY the same specs as yours!! color, package, seats and MAnual!! I CANNOT WAIT!!!!! this video is awesome!!
Love the US Dark Horse adventure 👍
It's a LOT of fun to drive around in this thing
But can this car be more fun than the GT500?
I just have never liked the whole Dark Horse thing. You get only a little more power and a better shock package.
You probably could get a regular GT as much or more power with simple mods.
Ford Performance have Supercharger upgrade...
Mustangs are great value for the money and they have the Dark Horse variant now which is really cool. We enjoy your vids, tim. Thank you.
Glad you finally started tinting your cars, its terrible to road trip long distances here without it. Going darker in the rear will help ease the AC use also in the summer.
Looks like a great facility.
Looks like a ton of fun 👍
Shmee your driving skills have improved so much just in the last year or so 🤟
Tim, the track videos are some of the best to watch!
I really like the 3 camera angle setup you’re doing for the on track portions! Definitely better than just one small Picture in Picture 👍👍
Shmee150 Absolutely Incredible Video I'm so glad you had a great time at Apex Motor Club in your Absolutely Incredible Mustang Dark Horse and I can't wait to see more Road Course Content and I think it would be awesome if you get another one for the UK
Love how you enjoy driving the Mustang!
About the chipped window if the size of chip is less than the size of an American quarter then you can have the windshield repaired. But you have to do it as soon as possible as time goes on a crack gets bigger, and as the temperature goes up.
Great to see you enjoying the car on the track! The "86mi to E" with half a tank of fuel is quite funny. I remember a Mach 1 showing '75mi to E' with 3/4 of a tank of fuel after a long track session. Thirsty beasts but so fun!
Here's some fuel usage info for the Dodge Charger Hellcat Redeye.
*According to J.D Power, the Charger SRT Hellcat Redeye can drain its entire gas tank in just 11 minutes. That's thanks to dual-stage fuel pumps that help its 6.2-liter Hemi V8 gulp down dinosaur juice at a rate of 1.43 gallons (5.4 liters) per minute*.
It is pretty amazing when you think about it, to know the car lingo of both continents and rattle it off while track driving, it takes a skill set to be able to do that on command.
Shmee having a track day.
Fun as always
😎😎😎👍👍👍
I move the seat back and forth every time I get in and out of my Shelby with Recaros. It saves a little wear on the bolstering but the main reason for moving the seat it to easily get in and out of the car.
It's probably the right way to do it, I'm just being lazy because I never needed to in the GT500
Hay Tim, finally visiting your home country early next month. I plan on bringing some sunshine from Florida. Maybe I’ll even see a Shmee-mobile out and about in London 😊
Cool. Im loving the look of your Dark Horse and great to see it on track. If you are in Florida / Georgia a lot you should pass by Steeda....
Good driving Shmee! Cool ride! 🤍👍
You were carrying some nice speed through those turns, very nice 👍
I can't wait for @Iracing gets us the new GT3 Dark Horse on the sim . Thx for the update .
Cant wait to see the GTD in the collection
When getting in and out of the car push back the seat as it is manual easy to do and quick and gives you plenty of room. I have the same sort of seats on me BOSS 302. It is then back to when you get in the car and then slide it forward easy and makes life easier.
The optional Recaros in my Fiesta ST have the same tall side supports. Yes, It's a tight fit between the seat and steering wheel as well.
Fun video! My Mach 1 has the Premium heated and cooled leather seats with automatic memory control making getting in and out so effortless.
I absolutely love the Mustangs, but your Gt500 is still my favorite. (The new ford GT is one of my dream cars) To me a Camaro 1Le and especially a ZL1 1LE is a far easier car to drive at the limit hands down and more worth the $ spent to me personally. I truly appreciate your ford collection Tim so I understand why you buy them, I’m really hoping you add a Yellow with black stripes 05 or so Ford GT, and possibly an older fastback vintage model, it would really complete your collection.
I’d keep the Gt500 and get rid of the Dark Horse in the future. Always appreciate your content Schmee, all the best in 2024!
Whew! That's a relief. Ten years ago any European would be saying bad things about the quality of an American interior and panel gaps - and rightly so. Now we have people saying an Escalade and C8 are even better than some of their Euro rivals. Thanks for being fair and wonderfully objective.
26:00
Alcantara wrap behind gauge pod melting 😊no refraction 😊
Just as an FYI, you can use non-reflective tint on your front windshield, provided it's above the manufacturer’s AS-1 line. I could not live in AZ during the summer without all the windows being tinted. 😎
The car is as smooth as it appears on track. Very fun to push it.
came for the opinion about the car, but learned something new about ceramic window tint 👍
The gt500 cftp is still on another level, it’ll be nice to see you in a GTD as well
That license plate still gets me. How FDOT allowed that is a little hilarious.
hi shmee, I own a 2024 mustang gt and Ive had it for three months now, I do not have any of the issues you are having with your center screen, not a single crash yet, I'm guessing you can take it to the dealer and have that fixed.
Tim, how about sliding the seat back before getting out? It's easier to adjust the seat distance than wheel height when you get back in
You can do that UV protection film on your windshield and get the least tinted tint percentage on it
I for one would love you to get a Dark Horse in the UK and see you boost it with a blower as due to homologation laws we only get 453bhp in the dark horse.
Your "OCD" to have the wheel centered might be holding you back from turning the wheel slightly to the right to get the flat spot where it will help entry/exit. Also, Safelite auto glass can repair that chip. It might not be perfect but, it would do for a short stint.
Love this car
Tim thank you for this. I live in north Phoenix and have considered joining this club
It's an epic environment, definitely take a look into it!
I'm a member at Apex and cannot recommend it highly enough. I'm there nearly every weekend now turning laps with my siblings and father. Fantastic staff, very friendly members, and, as Shmee said, an epic environment. You won't regret joining.
I have the same issue with the seats in my GT350, have to move the seat forward and back to make enough space otherwise it wears the bolster away. I definitely think it's because of needing to be closer for the clutch pedal. Small price to pay for all the noise and 3 pedals!
Love that V8 sound 🔥🔥
Legend💯
beautiful Car!
Glad I'm not the only one that complains about the Recaro seats and how hard they are to get in and out of. LOL!
I don’t normally like a white car, but there’s a good balance of black and white on your car. Love the Dark Horse.
Why not do a nearly clear tint on the windshield? Like with your side windows, its basically undetectable. Will make a huge difference and won't heat up the dash and screen as much.
Your track videos are my favorite stuff on your channel, looking forward to seeing the Pony being beat on!
Exactly what it was built for right!
The getting in and out of the Dark Horse is not so personal. I have the very same issue with mine. Aswell as the secondary screen getting confused
Glad I'm not alone!
Love the video!
Think this is the mustang you want, manual, rwd ,v8 not to much hp.just perfect to cruise and have fun. Love see one in buillit green
Hi Tim, are you able to get a 5HMEE plate for the car?
Great Video, I own a 2023 S550 Mach 1 with the Handling Package. Lots of similarities and with my prior 2019 GT PP1 I also had the same issue with the Recaro seats. This is why the Mach 1 has the , how I call it, " american seats" :)
I'm glad I'm not alone!
Tim, love the mustang content. Curious to hear your thoughts on Dark Horse vs GT350. Both MT but the gt350 engine is something special. Maybe I’m biased, but I think you’d really enjoy the 350.
I don't necessarily think you're wrong. I had this exact discussion the evening of this track day with a GT350 owner.
I think as you own this car that more power is a great thing. You could take it to shelby in Vegas and it modified. Just a suggestion Your videos are excellent
Shelby would be a great stop!
23:55 I have the same issue getting in and out of my GT350R. I literally can't get in the car with the seat at my driving position. The remedy is to always slide the seat back and/or put the steering wheel in its highest position when you get out of the car. That way you don't have to worry about unnecessary and premature wear on the seat and steering wheel.
It would be a quite welcome addition to track day videos if you could superimpose or briefly show a track map so we know what the layout is like without requiring outside research.
Seeing as your in Arizona it would have nice to see you visit Sarah n tuned in Tucson.
Shmee you have to tilt the steering wheel up every time you finish your drive it helps a bit.
That's an effort nobody would stick with
It's like listening to a Nascar roaring down the circuit, what a monster!!
It sounds great!
Tim, I tagged you a few days ago in a TikTok video of the brand new 2025 Mustang GTD and was wondering what your thoughts were on that car. It looks absolutely bonkers! Introductory pricing is right around *$300K*
As a big fan since the beginning, I cannot wait for a Shmuseum video… which I think should be the main focus now. I am sorry but I really don’t enjoy the US tours so much - it feels like Groundhog Day, especially the garage tours (constructive feedback not being negative).
22 GT Premium owner here--- didn't realize the auto adjusting driver seat would be such a sales point vs manual dark horse seats.
Tim! I’ve finally been given my build slot for February, expected in June I would love to bring it to see it’s bigger brother at the museum and we can compare and contrast the UK spec to US if you’d be open to that?
The windshield chip could be fixed with a mobile truck. They come to you and do it. Insurance usually covers it.
That view into the sky😍 7:10
Tim you live a life mate. Go to the US. Pick up your Mustang and go to a track !! Nice. Im lucky, I like my office but I’d rather have had your day.
This video was taken not too far from where I lived. I wish this was 5 years ago since I would have loved to have you visit and see my Saleen Mustang collection.
When you park the car, turn the steering wheel slightly right hand down meaning the flat will be over to the left, making it easier to get in and out.
You can have the windscreen repaired, that what I do, but not in the UK, or USA.
I work at a Ford Dealership in the SW England and have a Oxford DH Tremec on order as a demo, happy to supply if you can’t get one
Was I wrong in thinking that Ceramic Pro had the heat reducing film that isn't actually tinted? Wouldn't that help with the windshield?
I ordered this exact spec dark horse for germany (US military civ) and I did not win the lottery (they told me at the point of decline that they were only shipping 2 US spec dark horses to Europe). So I got another C6Z. I am not disappointed...
Hey Tim do you track better with a righhand or lefthand drive car? Or is it the same? Enjoy your newest Mustang!
I love track days and autobaun days on the shmee channel
Love the outro commentary lol yes maybe you should buy one lol
The GTD will be EPIC !!
I have followed scheme for years and have many hours of enjoyment, I'm 56 and worked in the motor trade most of my life. I know nothing, the very little I do know is that scheme is aulsome , I understand but I struggle with the dark horse 🙁
dude his name is literally everywhere and you butchered it twice
Aulsome?
That’s a good looker right there
You should be able to get that wind screen fixed without a replacement as long as you don’t wait too long and the crack doesn’t get bigger.
Just slide the seat back before you get in and slide it forward. I get what you’re saying though, I wish ford had the auto seat settings in the mustang
30:47 I think that Lexus and the Dark Horse would be a good race around the track
This longer hair suits you dude keep it!
You may not have thought about it, but consider.
You very detail your trips. Put the Darkhorse at your next "action" destination. Get yourself a Challenger to back and forth across the country. I've had both, and the Challenger is leaps and bounds better as a cross country cruiser. Tons of room. Good gas mileage. You're spending more and more time in the World's car center. As a support car, to get between destinations, and still show up "looking cool", it can't be beat. Some pretty special ones showing up, with no compromises. They also sound amazing. Deep V8 grumble. Think about it Tim. I know your tastes. I wouldn't steer you wrong.
Don't forget to tell Dodge to make a new one! (So frustrating they are discontinuing them - they only needed to reduce its size and weight by say 10%, add 10% power, improve economy a few % points, tweak things inside and out and they would have had a winner for another 5 to 10 years.)
Hiii shmee what do you think of a abarth 595 i have one myself its a stage 2 car for now😅😁
awee shmee it would be nice if this car goes in your museum
If you're into IMSA racing. Talk to Ford performance and Multimatic regarding the 2 seat Dark Horse R race car for the special Ford racing series. You also might want to ask Ford performance about the new Dark Horse Coyote Gen 4 Coyote stronger internals in the Dark Horse S and the refined suspension including the recalibrated Magna Ride. .
24:36 also….. that’s an old school thing…. You put the wheel up when exiting… and then you put it back down after entering.
You can also slide the seat back, but the point here is that it's not an issue in the GT500
lol cooldown lap it looked like miss daisy was driving such a beast of a car