MJ: I respect Isaiah's talent. He's the 2nd best point guard ever, behind Magic. Guess MJ didn't think the 2nd best point guard in NBA history could've helped the USA team win, though, eh MJ?? Who's the real rectal orifice??? Also, to those who never saw him play, I'd pick Oscar Robertson over ANY point guard in NBA history. Period. He was better, bigger, and just as quick as Thomas, and a better scorer. As a pure point guard, he was also better than Magic. Magic was more versatile, as he could even play Forward and Center. But the best point guard in NBA history was Oscar Robertson, who once averaged a triple double for an entire NBA season!!! Plus, other than Jerry Lucas, Oscar never played with any great players, or on a great team. But as soon as he did have some great team mates, he won an NBA championship with the 1971 Milwaukee Bucks. Oscar was on his way down from his greatest years then. But teamed with Alcindor, Dandridge, etc., they went all the way.....
Isiah told the truth because in that doc Jordan was shown as being a bully and disrespectful of the guys who helped win titles. It was proven early on that while Jordan put on a show and would often score 40, 50, 60 pts, he wasn't going to win an NBA title unless he had help and he had to trust other guys and he eventually came to that conclusion and won 6 titles. It's isn't about how good you are because it's about how good the guys around you are and in LA and Boston, Magic and Bird had great supporting casts who had their back. Jordan finally got that later on in his career. The part of the doc that showed them disrespecting Jerry Krause was in bad taste because that man had passed away and his family had to see him being mistreated so that to me was low plus Scottie Pippen talked about the doc in that it was all about Jordan as if they didn't do anything but come along for the ride.
Jordan was an ahole and even today guys who played with Jordan have called him a bully and an ahole so when former teammates all have a similar opinion of you, they're not lying. Also in that doc, they disrespected Jerry Krause and even if they did not like that man, they should have shown him the respect he deserved for putting the pieces together that turned the Bulls into 6 time champions. Plus as Isiah said, the man has passed on and his family has to see that. I'm like Isiah in that I cannot respect that.
Every time when Isiah Thomas is questioned or challenged about his actions, he always deflects and want to tell about what others have done, rather than to just own his own actions.
Isiah good or bad or whatever is still the best PG ever after Magic and he deserved based on merit and body of work to be on the Dream Team so that can never been undone but just like he say down with Karl Malone, he needs to do the same with Jordan and air their differences. These guys are now 60 plus so get hammered out before it's too late and then regret sets in.
Exactly! First, he says he didn't lead the walk off, as if he wasn't a leader on that team. Next, he subsequently starts talking about another team. What a cowardly way to answer the question. I would have preferred him say, yes me and my teammates were angry at that time so we decided we wouldn't shake their hands. Would I do it now? No, but I accept responsibility for what we did then.
@@MrEJF02 'OL SKOOL DETROITER HERE: BUT, LAIMBEER LIKE MAHORN WAS BEFORE THA' TRADE, WAS THA' LOCKERROOM LEADER! AND, HE HATED JORDAN & PIPPEN PROBABLY THA' MOST (HAS DISSED THEM BADLY BEFORE ON OLD INTERVIEWS !TOO )!! THEREFORE, IT COULD HAVE BEEN HIS CALL THAT TYME!! AND, HE WAS LEADING THA' WAY BY THA' WAY AZ WELL! AND, I IRONICALLY HAD MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THAT BACK THEN, & HAD SWITCHED-UP & BECAME ONE OF THA' BIGGEST JORDAN FANS HERE RIGHT AFTERWARDZ TOO PARTLY BECAUSE OF THAT (I CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT 30 PAIR OF HIS KICKZ MOSTLY IN MINT CONDITION FROM MANY YEARS AGO TOO!)(AND, CAME OF AGE BACK THEN AZ A BIG TYME BLACKTOP/REC. CTR. HOOPER & WENT ON TO HIT SO MANY GAME WINNING SHOTZ THAT I LOST COUNT BY 19 YEARS OF AGE LIKE M.J. ,BUT AZ A P.G. LIKE ZEKE-& LOOK SIMILAR TO A YUNGER VERSION OF HIM TOO!!)!
After the way the Bulls conducted themselves in the days before, I wouldn't have even given any of them a glance. And Jordan certainly knows about being an asshole!
This is BS and fake outrage. No one said a damn thing about the Bird led Celtics walking off with time still on the clock, not shaking hands or congrats to the Pistons after finally dethoning the Celtics. There's a shot of Isaiah and McHale dapping up. The rest of the Celtics team is walking to the locker room. America.
The problem with Isisah is that he still dun think the Pistons did anything wrong by walking away. He kept bringing up that the Celtics did it before and so on. That doesn’t mean it is the right thing to do. But the fact is, Bulls shook their hands when they lost, that is a fact. So it is just courtesy for them to do the same. isisah being the defecto leader, should have stopped the Pistons from doing that. To only change his tone after the media outburst, just show what kind of standards he held himself to as a leader of the Pistons.
They didn't because the Celtics did the same thing when Detroit beat them. All of the Celtics except McHale waked off the court and there's video of that if you care to check it out yet Larry Bird never gets called out nor do the Celtics for walking off but more than that the NBA upper management was upset that someone had crashed the Lakers and Celtics party that had went on since Magic and Larry showed up except for a few years when Philly crashed it but outside of that the Lakers and Celtics had ruled the 1980s and the NBA didn't want anyone else crashing that party. The NBA was brought back to life because prior to Magic, Bird and later Jordan, the NBA wasn't being shown on tv live. In fact the NBA Finals was being tape delayed when Magic won his first title in 1980.
@@phade2blaq I am a huge Pistons fan and that's BS. The Celtics were told to leave for security reasons, not because they were salty. Mchale, also famously stopped and told Thomas to go the finals and win it.
@@phade2blaq FACTS!!! AND No one seems to mention the disrespect Jordan Pippen and Phil had when saying the Pistons were thugs and bad for the game which in hind sight was ridiculous. Defense was not as bad as this mess we watch now. Half court misses all day smh
Everyone said Pistons were thugs, not just the bulls. Although, I agree the defense now is just fucking stupid, but unfortunately the ad sponsors will never let defense be played like that again. @@lbt782
Now if Isaiah stuck by his word and said he led the walk off because Jordan disrespected his team and legacy he would be more respected. Jordan did say the nba will be better with the Pistons out of the way prior to sweeping them. So walking off the court and not shaking Jordan hand was Justified. Isiah had to fight Bird Celtics and Magic Lakers the two greatest franchises ever to get on top. Jordan never had to face the Lakers or Celtics in their prime. You’re correct Isiah keeps changing his story. That’s his problem he’s standing on his word. History shows he’s only star beat Jordan in his prime. He should just admit he hate Jordan but respect his game. Jordan hate him but respect his game and it’s no problem.
@@MrLp1980 MJ can say shit. You can t just lobby a team out of the NBA. And if you do it while the Celtics, the Lakers sand everybody else are out there competing with them , then you are a hypocrite. Period. I dont think MJ is leagues better person than Isiah. As the press tries to paint him.
Isiah did not lead the walk off. Bill Laimbeer said it was his idea to walk off. But that's 30 plus years ago so let it go. Jordan and Isiah need to sit down and air out their differences and explain why they did what they did as young immature men back then. With that being said, Isiah deserved to on the Dream Team and Clyde Drexler, David Robinson, Pat Ewing etc have all said this over the years that he was deserving. Based on merit and body of work, Isiah definitely deserved to be there because his Olympic team in 1980s boycotted the Olympics in protest of Russia invading Afghanistan so they didn't get a chance to play.
The reason they walked off the court was because they Call Detroit a bunch of thugs and the team represented Detroit and they felt they were not thugs and that was an insult
Chuck didn't really give af. He played to the cameras. The Indiana Pacers assaults and beats tf out of an entire audience of Detroit fans, and idiots still talking about the Piston's not shaking hands with mfkn Chicago Bulls over 30 years ago.
You can see Isaia dip his head and walking right past the Bulls in close proximity. Natural instinct is to to say sup and then walk off. I think that's what ticked off Jordan. And knowing Jordan. All his emotions were in this series because he lost so many times before against the same team.
He knew what he was doing and that he knew that he was wrong for how he behaved. Jordan expected him to be man enough to accept defeat and shake his hand like a man. That proved to be something that Isiah Thomas couldn't do and STILL can't do to this day.
In conclusion, Isiah and those Piston bad boys are genuinely BAD. No respect to their opponents. You can be very competitive but still have to respect each other, especially both are great talented basketball players. Larry Bird is super competitive and an ass hold too. But he respects MJ.
That's exactly why Jordan doesn't have any respect for Isiah as a man. He respected Thomas's playing abilities but he detests Thomas's lack of sportsmanship
He is also a tough motherfucker, works harder than anybody else and deserves every inch of his accolades. And anybody not thinking this, try being 6'1 in the most physical NBa period, dominated by 7 footer boxers and get the numbers Zeke had. Which could had been better because he could have easily averaged 30+ ppg for his career if he did not sacrificed offense for defense and teamplay.
Apparently not persuasive enough to convince the people commenting here, nor me, that he’s not an arse… nor the NY Knicks to keep his executive job (having sexually harassed co-workers as I recall).
Just for the record Isaiah Thomas has hated MJ since the beginning because MJ was beloved in Chicago meanwhile he himself who's from Chicago is hated there. His beef with MJ started from MJ's first year where he made the All Star team and Isaiah wouldn't pass him the ball and got everyone else on the team to also not pass the ball by freezing him out. Plus the Bad Boy Pistons had their own "Jordan Rules" where they singled him out and physically beat him up. There was a lot of history between them before this walk off incident.
Let’s not forget how Jordan called them all thugs to the media before the game. Plus “Jordan rules” were just to lead him base side or double to pass the ball. Pistons gave the Bulls the EXACT treatment they got from the Celtics and Lakers. Isiah is made because Jordan whined to the commissioner about the hard fouls when Isiah and everyone else just dealt with it
@@MrEvolution513 That's funny because at one time Isiah owned Chicago but when the Pistons began beating the snot out of Chicago, it makes sense that people who rooted for the Bulls would hate Isiah and the Pistons.
@@nutsylevi He called them thugs and then NBA commish David Stern backed them up on that plus Jordan and Phil Jackson both said they were bad for basketball nevermind all NBA teams back then played rough basketball meaning when you went to the paint, you knew you were going to get hit hard and that was the way they played because the NBA has always had a rule that says no easy baskets send them to the FT line.
Man I didn’t know IT was so well spoken. It’s almost scary. He speaks in a calm manner with that pleasant smile on his face. It makes you wonder what’s going on in his head.
In Game 6 of the 1988 ECF, the Celtics literally walked off the court with Adrian Dantley on the foul line shooting free throws, and still time remaining on the clock. It wasn't a thing to stick around and congratulate the other team on beating you.
Isiah trying to say thats how its done but he lying. Zeke threw racist comments on Bird by repeating what Rodman said about Bird would be viewed as an average player if he wasnt white and that's the reason why the Celtics, who were mostly white, didn't wanna shake hands.
All this bs deflecting talking about what the Celtics did a year prior is insane. Micheal lost to the pistons 3years in a row and shook their hands after every loss. Isiah should stop using this as an excuse because it doesn't hold water.
If he wanted to deal with the losing the championship game what business is it of yours everyone have a right too express their disappointment at losing a championship game stop scolding him he is only human.
Chuck Daly coached the Dream Team, and he coached Isiah Thomas and the Bad Boy Pistons. I don't know if he had anything to do with Isiah not being on the Dream Team, but the fact that he coached that squad and Isiah still wasn't on that team has to say something about why Isiah wasn't on the Dream Team.
@@djhines05 Zeke is a snake to the core. Threw shade at Larry's race Threw shade at Magic's sexual preference Threw shade at Jordan's character. Threw his teammates under the bus. Choked his own assistant coach. Zeke used his position as president of players association to make other players kiss his ass.
I don't understand why the walk-off would cause so hatred. Most normal people would just give them all the middle finger, not literally but figuratively, and move on.
I'm so surprised out of all people Jordan let Isiah get to him, I would of never thought no one could bother Jordan. I think Isiah and tha Pistons made Jordan stronger than ever. Jordan and tha Bulls really took a beating playing them :(
Because MJ could smell hyenas from miles away. MJ was straight shooter with alpha personality and he could read his intentions but still admits that he was one of the best players unlike this flip flopper who now says that LeBron is better than MJ
In the documentary the Bad Boys they asked who was responsible for the walk off in 91 and if my memory serves me correctly Isaiah Thomas said it was his idea for the walk off
Pistons weren't as marketable as the Celtics, Lakers, 76ers or Bulls. Whatever bad the Pistons did, sport media multiplied it by 10. Eg no one bothers with the brawls of Kurt Rambis, yet he is now a respected Lakers icon (player, coach, executive) and no one asks him about his grudges when compared to Laimbeer.
@@petr79 can't disagree with you, captain - except to say Isiah's deal was with Converse, which was not yet a Nike subsidiary. along with Magic, Bird & Doc.
Jordan is my all time favorite player. I consider him NBA’s GOAT. However, I must admit that I think Jordan is being too extra on the whole walkout thing. The Boston Celtics walked out and not a word mentioned. I just don’t think it is that serious.
That's because Isiah was known, from damn near ALL the players, for doing some shady shit during that time, especially to MJ when he started in the NBA. So for Isiah to did what he did when the Bulls swept the Pistons to advanced in the Finals....it was pretty much the last straw. And plus (which the Celtics was wrong to do that, also...).....shaking hands at the end of ANY game is called sportsmanship. Isiah knew it was wrong. He knew better, because he was the team captain of that team. And he listened to Laimbeer (the walk out idea came from him...). Isiah was the leader. He knew better. The ONLY players from the Pistons that respectfully shooked MJ & the Bulls' hands, were Joe Dumars & John Salley.
MJ shook hands with Isaiah every time he lost. Isaiah knew he was doing wrong when he ducked behind the bigs as he left the court. Watch his movement as he's leaving.
@@djhines05 why you sucking up to Jordan so much it was Isaiah Thomas's family the help Jordan out when he first got to Chicago to the point where his brother I'm out with Jordan and his nephew live with Jordan it's not what you think Nobody said anything when the Celtics walked out without shaking hands
@William Wright 😂😂😂😂 So out of all comments, I gotta be the one to...what did you typed?? "sucking up to Jordan", & what else?? "Nobody said anything when the Celtics walked out without shaking hands". Now damned near MOST of the comments & responses mentioned about what the Celtics did, but you wanna come at me....why?? 😳🤔 Why I gotta be the one "sucking up to Jordan", when alot of people in these comments, typed in damn near the same shit I've typed. But according to you, Im the one "sucking up to Jordan", huh?! SMDH.....🙄😂
if you understand psychology,isiah really messed jordans ego bcoz he wasnt intimidated by him and got rings before him,isiah doesnt idolise him like many players because he defeated him,yes jordan beat pistons later bcoz they were full of injuries and were not the same.zeke is the only player who bothers mike till this day.
I think you’ve got it backwards. Zeke hated and envied Mike from the get go. He couldn’t stand the fact that this kid was taking over his home town , and was becoming more beloved there than he ever was. Zeke’s own family rooted against him and the Pistons when they played the Bulls. His own college coach (Knight) called him(Jordan )the greatest basketball player he’d ever seen, BEFORE he even set foot in the NBA. You speak of understanding psychology, yet you fail to understand how Mike fucked up Zeke mentality without doing anything directly to him. Isaiah said it himself, he’s a “sore loser”. It’s like the popular kid in school who all of a sudden was usurped by someone new and he could never get over it.
I’ll give that team and Isaiah credit they had their time and were very talented and proved it. And I do agree with Isaiah about other people doing the exact same thing using that era and nothing was ever said and never brought up, but the fact MJ brought it up was shining a light directly on that event. MJ is the greatest in my opinion, but when he didn’t get his way he acted like a little punk too and we all saw that. When Isaiah said “everyone else did it” stuck out to me, e cause I was always taught just because these people do it don’t mean you should. My parents always tried to teach me to do better than the ones that were doing just enough to get by so that WHOLE team should’ve showed a little class in that moment in my opinion but maybe that’s my older mind thinking too much
MJ wasn't acting like a little punk when it pertains to this situation. What you said about when you hear Zeke said "Everyone else did it", & your thoughts on that part.....MJ felt (& STILL FEELS...) the SAME EXACT WAY. MJ was extremely old school & played basic fundamentals when it pertains to the game of basketball. And one of the biggest basic fundamentals of the game is sportsmanship, which you show respect to the opposite team, win or lose. MJ shooked Zeke's hands as well as the entire Pistons team when we (the Bulls) lost to them 3 consecutive years in the Eastern Conference Championships. Zeke should've shown the same respect towards MJ when the Bulls swept the Pistons in '91. Zeke was the team captain of the Pistons. He should've known better than to take Laimbeer's idiotic idea to NOT shake the Bulls team's hands. He knew he done fucked up when he did that. And I agree with you when you....just because the Celtics did that to you, doesn't mean you should do that when you lose to another team. 💯💯💯💯
@@djhines05 he still holds a specific grudge and one incident has made him hate 1 man this long!! I’m sorry that is very mature of him isn’t it?? I’m a die hard “MJ is the greatest player EVER in basketball” and I’m no Isaiah fan but hated 1 man for “not shaking our hands” you really don’t hear lambeer, and Rodman complaining about bird and mchale not shaking hands do you? If you’ve heard it then I haven’t then I’ll apologize, but 1 incident has earned Isaiah that much hate from MJ this long? Someone is acting like a punk
@shanewoods1980 Well, actually.....MJ was already over it when it happened. 😂😂 MJ had waaaay better things to think about. And that was winning our (I'm a Bulls fan...😊👌🏼👍🏼❤️🖤❤️🖤) first NBA Championship. It was actually the media that made the "no hands shake" a hot topic! 😂😂 We didn't hear anything from MJ about this until what....when the Dream Team was formed, & Zeke wasn't chosen to be a part of the team, due to the "no hands shake" situation. And then Zeke brought more attention to himself, which made it worse....for him. MJ kept his mouth shut about it until The Last Dance documentary. Even though the Dream Team documentary came out & everyone else talked about the situation with Zeke, MJ still at that time, didn't talked about it. Zeke continued to keep bringing it up! SMDH....🙄🤦🏽♀️😂😂😂 Just bringing more negative attention on himself. But, of course, MJ was gonna address the Isiah situation on the Last Dance documentary, which he did. He said what he felt about it, then he done moved on from it. That man has moved on to live his best life. And Zeke STILL can't let it go. That's called "having a guilty conscience", cause deep down.....Zeke knew he was wrong for doing that. That's why he said if he can do it all over again, he WOULD'VE shook MJ's hand. It's called sportsmanship. Anyone that played ANY type of sports, was taught about sportsmanship. That's one of the biggest fundamentals of ANY game. You show some respect to your opponent, win or lose. Isiah KNEW that.
@shanewoods1980 And MJ never said he "hated" Isiah. The man said that Isiah was being an asshole for what he did at THAT time. But I don't think the man "hates" Isiah.
@@djhines05 no he’s quoted as saying he respects Isaiah’s game and skills but he “can’t stand the man and never cares to talk to him or about him ever again” so I guess you’re right that can’t be misconstrued as hatred oh my bad
I'm a huge MJ fan. #1 fan to be exact. But, how much punishment thomas will have to take before the world goes past this???? The man has been punished enough!
Shut up lol !!!! The dude left like a bitch !!! Even in this interview he said “ look back at the footage , I didn’t lead the walk off .. lol he won’t take responsibility over his actions !
He keeps fighting it instead of admitting he did some classless BS. Stop trying to lump other teams in, saying they did it too, like a dry snitch. He needs to accept his own bs then move on.
You can see Isiah is sorry he did it. We’ve all done some trashy things that we are sorry for. It seems like Jordan can’t forgive a decision made in a very emotional moment. Sad he can’t move on.
He isn't sorry. He even tried to lie about whether he led the walk off, choosing to parse words about who "led" it. Why would Jordan forgive him when IT has never apologized.
Michael Jordan is correct. Isiah was acting like a little a**hole. I used to be a Pistons fan until what he and their management did to Adrian Darnley. Isiah had a lot to do with that no matter how much he lies about not being involved in the decision. It was great karma that he wasn’t on The Dream Team. He deserved to be denied that chance simply by what he did to AD!!
Isiah hands down he competed against magic, bird, Jordan and etc. lead his team to multiple chips. I’m not a stats guy, but Look at what he did in 13 seasons legend status.
Yes , Statuswise he was great on the field, but as far as attitude is concerned it´s like MJ said : He was an asshole. And it´s not just Jordan´s opinion , at least 6 or 7 members of the 1992 Dream Team felt that way, and I´m not even counting the numerous guys who were not part of that roster but played against Thomas. He was a schmuck and a douchebag, and I believe till this day had the NBA changed the rules of dirty playing and cheap shots like they are right now ,The Bad Boys would never have won those two championships, at least 3 or 4 key players would have fouled out or been ejected from the floor every game.
@@luisrodriguez-mb7cc Scottie felt at least as strongly as MJ about keeping Isiah off. He has said it on camera very specifically. And yes, it's well known the Bulls' Stars had some company there too.
@@Amick44 could Scotty have won multiple championships had MJ not been on the Bulls' team? The answer is pretty obvious, Pippen was part of Portland and Houston after he left Chicago, they had pretty good rosters and weren't able to win a title. Jordan on the other hand had shitty team prior and after Pippen, and was still a Superstar. He never won a title without a second all-star because it' s impossible to do it in the NBA. Even Thomas had Joe Dumars, Rodman and that thug called Laimbeer to help him win. That's my point, some players are Batman and others are Robin. And we know who is who in the Bulls' case.
Lambier was actually the one that orchestrated the walk off, it was his idea. Isaiah Thomas took the heat and blame for it because he was the leader of the team at that time. I always thought that was big of Isaiah. He never threw Bill Lambier under the bus
Isiah DID threw Laimbeer under the bus when featured in "The Last Dance". But Laimbeer doesn't give a fuck that Isiah did. Laimbeer will proudly say it, if anyone asked him, I'm sure. He doesn't like MJ, just cause MJ used to light Laimbeer's azz at the paint. 😂😂😂
@@djhines05 Zeke was that SNAKE who spread the rumors that Magic was gay, no one is surprised when he threw Laimbeer under the bus. Everybody knows Zeke was the one pulling the strings. He was that Leader who walked behind Bill Laimbeer as they walk off lol. Laimbeer was the Man. He was proud of what he did. He was the face of the badboys and he was honored to be the one whom everybody hated.
@@dylanlanzuela7305 --You are a snake. A green snake in the grass. Those without the sense won't see you coming. On the one hand you trash Isaiah for "leading the walk off". On the other hand you lionize Laimbeer for leading the walk off. Never a word about Larry Bird doing the same shit when the Pistons beat the Celtics. Amazing that you can tie your shoes without hurting yourself. Or can you?
@@koolhandduke4087 Larry Bird did what he did and didn't throw anyone under the bus like Zeke. Zeke made it PERSONAL with Larry when he mentioned Larry's RACE. "If Bird Was Black, He'd Be Just Another Good Player." Who wants to shake hands with a SNAKE like that?
@@dylanlanzuela7305 --Oh yeah, Laimbeer did what he did. Larry Bird did what he did. Isaiah did what he did but now it's a problem. Yeah, we get it without you having to say it you freaking snake.
That’s long time ago and it’s only a game but life goes on and learns to forgive each other! I don’t understand why people still holding onto the past and never let it go! They were young and they were champions and time makes young men grown older and wiser! Time to let it go!!! Life’s too short!
@@JDwJC11 I saw the series between Chicago Bulls Vs the Detroit Pistons and it was a physical game between the bad boys Pistons against MJ. It went on for couple of years and the Detroit Pistons won two championships titles! Finally MJ beaten the bad boys pistons and he wants respect but Pistons wanted nothing to do with MJ and left the building without shaking hands. I think MJ wanted some respect from Isiah Thomas and the Pistons after all the hard fought series and finally beaten them. After the disrespectful, MJ will never forgive Isiah Thomas because he was the ring leader. But maybe there’s more to the game that we don’t know for sure behind doors!
Now to my understanding, Isiah started feeling "jealous" of MJ, because Isiah's from Chicago, & thought everybody, especially his family....should love him, because it's his hometown. But he thought his entire family was gonna be Pistons fans, but was mad that his own nephew wore a Chicago Bulls jersey, & just so happens that it was a Jordan's jersey! 😂😂😂😂
“There’s no way you could convince me he wasn’t an a**hole.” MJ simply told the truth. He congratulated the Pistons after each playoff defeat. And when it came time to pass the torch, self-admitted sore loser Isaiah wouldn’t return the favor. That shows you the difference in class between MJ and Zeke when it came to defeat. For the record, Bill Laimbeer led the walk-off after Michael Jordan made the comments that The Bad Boys were dirty and Laimbeer, in particular, tried to end careers, just to gain a psychological edge on the court.
Isaiah is slick and slimy. He said I did not lead the walk off. Bill Lambert and some other guy technically was in front of him. Yes. However, Isaiah was the leader of that team. He is a slick dude and very smart. He deliberately had bill laimbeer and that other guy lead the walk off so he could say he did not lead the walk off. He wanted bill Laimbeer to take the flak. He wants his followers to take the fall instead of him. he was the leader and a slimy one at that. Every decision that team made went though him. He orchestrated the whole walk off and had bill laimbeer walk ahead of him to cover his tracks. Every bad thing the bad boys did. He orchestrated it. He ordered them to do their physical bullying antics.
Isaiah is correct that other teams left championship games without shaking hands BUT Detroit walked off before the game was officially over...he can't recognize the difference?
I love MJ but his ego and spirit was broken because Zeke and the bad boys were busting his ass in the postseason and Jordan never had him shook. Like Zeke said they didn't do anything different than what the other teams did.
@@chrisa8863 Look at how MJ talks about IT. Look at his body language and MJ’s emotion. “I don’t care what you show me, it’s no way you can convince me he wasn’t an asshole.” Spirit broken might be the wrong words but it’s something there and y’all have to get what SlickWilly was trying to say
@@THEBIGFISHNEMO I noticed that to man and it was scary how shook Jordan looked talking about Isiah I can almost feel the emotion the way his eyes were moving. He looked like he was about to cry or something. For some reason or another Isiah had that man shook. Isiah is the GOAT killer he beat all those legends Bird, Magic and Jordan 😆🤣. The Smiling Assassin.
“For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” Matthew 6:14-15 ESV “So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart.”” Matthew 18:35 ESV
Isaiah was right, I recall the Celtics walking off the court to the locker room with time still on the clock. Theres a shot of Isaiah and Kevin McHale dapping up, as Bird and the rest of team walked off. No one accused Bird as the team leader of leading the walk off. It's BS, and MJ needs to bury this grudge.
Hey fool, you don't know the story. Celtics wanted Pistons to enjoy the moment. McHale encouraged Isiah by saying you need to win four more and Beat LA.
Funny lambier was in front of isiah in the walk off and in front of Lambier appeared to be trailing Rodman who Jordan accepted with open arms a few years later. Looks like Rodman lead the walkoff. 🤔
I agree with you about Laimbeer, because it was HIM that made up the idea to NOT shake the Bulls' hands. And Isiah (supposed to be their TEAM LEADER...) ran with him, because their Pistons got SWEPT in that conference playoffs. Rodman just went with the flow. But Laimbeer DEFINITELY led the walk off, like a straight up SUCKA. 😂😂😂
@@djhines05 Interesting how everyone who defends the Bulls in this instance utterly overlooks how the Bulls treated the Pistons and their fans before Game #4!
The hatred started when Thomas wanted to keep the ball away from Jordan in the 1985 all-star game. One of pettiest acts I have ever heard of in professional sports.
JORDAN WAS A GREAT GREAT PLAYER AND A GREAT HUMAN BEING EVETYBODY LOBED HIM. ISIAH WAS A GOOD PLAYER NOT A GREAT ONE AND EVERYBODY HATED HIM THATS THE DIFFERENCE.
Isiah got over it and you gotta understand they was just trying to win he already made clear it was nothing personal it was just business. But Mike on the other hand.... As much as I like Mike he need to man up and sit down with Isiah it shouldn't be this deep
@@hussienali7552 GOOD PLAYER? Terrible evaluation of talent. "GOOD PLAYERS" Don't make the top 50 and top75 of all time. Great players do. Fouling or not, he won 2 rings and was a finals MVP.
He didn’t have to lead the walk off, the moment they ask him if he put the notion in their minds, he beats around it, I mean who was the leader, was Mark Aguirre the leader because he was walking in front of Laimbeer?
Nah Jordan is Jordan and Isiah is Isiah. Remember Isiah had a stellar amateur career and won titles in high school, college and the NBA. Jordan won in college and the NBA but prior to Jordan making that game winning shot in the NCAA title game, Jordan was not a household name. In fact Jordan had a good game but people hardly remembered him from that game and not until he got to UNC did he begin to stand out after James Worthy and Sam Perkins left.
You can still hate each other and shake hands at the end of a playoff series. It happens at the end of every series in hockey. It doesn't change the fact that you hate the other team and want to make them shake your hand at the end as you move on or win the champion. Have you played any sport competitively?
If you ever played sports (Recreational, School, etc...), the coaches teaches you to show sportsmanship & respect to the opposing team your team play against at the end of each game. Win OR lose.
CORRECT!!! 💯💯💯💯 He didn't liked it when the Celtics did that to him & most of the Pistons team. Zeke, Laimbeer, & most of the Pistons team (except Joe Dumars & John Salley...) didn't shake their hands, cause they got swept, 4-0.
Oh where do I begin. So Isiah Thomas wouldn't shake His Highness' hand. Big deal. Let's remember that the Bulls repeatedly and publicly trashed the Pistons for days leading up to that series- "they're bad human beings, bad for basketball, they don't deserve their championships"-and on and on. So after repeatedly insulting me and dismissing what I've accomplished, NOW you want to shake my hand? Nah. I'll pass. Not to mention that was THIRTY years ago. Get over it, Michael. A little known fact: in 1988, when the Pistons bounced the Celtics from the playoffs, several of the Celtics (led by Bird) wouldn't shake the Pistons' hands. No one knows or cares about that. And why should they? But turn your back on His Highness (Jordan) and thirty years later Thomas still hangs on the cross for that. How ironic that Jordan, Bird, Fagic-all the "cool kids"- are all so righteous and have such animosity toward Thomas when those guys were all BIGGER dix than Thomas was. They were all arrogant prima donnas. So where do they get off?! I lived in Chicago for 25 years, right during Jordan's heyday, and let me tell you, despite the "be like Mike" image the media went to great lengths to preserve, Michael Jordan was a sk um bag. Serial adulterer, degenerate gambler who would constantly welsh on his gambling debts, hung out with gamblers, drug dealers and other unsavory characters. He was NOT the lily white angel that the media made him out to be. Far from it. If you want to see Michael Jordan's TRUE character, watch his hall of fame induction speech. It's downright appalling.
Seriously, it wasn't a sportsmanship moment for Zeek. He Ducked his head in shame after the loss. That's the sign of someone ashamed of their own Behavior. MJ May be a Ahole in his own right, but he was ALWAYS able to hold his head up no matter win or lose. Stop pleading your case for a Closed file Zeek
Ok having said that Bird did the same thing when the Celtics walked off when the Pistons beat them but somehow Bird never gets criticized for doing it. McHale was the only Celtics player who shook hands.
This is why people hate this dude. No accountability, always saying "I didn't do it", "I didn't do that". Dude, you were the leader of that team, you could've said let's not do that. MJ shook your hand all the 3 years you beat him. The only class act in that Pistons team was Joe Dumars.
He said he doesn’t remember anyone shaking hands. But I clearly see Michael Jordan shaking Isaiah thomas hands when Jordan lost. Not just that, what does Celtics have to do with anything?
Eastern Conference Finals 1988 Game 6, whilst Adrian Dantley was shooting a FT, the Celtics walked off without shaking the Piston's hands. However, Kevin McHale shook Isiah's hand as they walked off, so I think Isiah was just tryna use that as an excuse. The thing is the Pistons weren't as marketable or popular as the Lakers, Celtics or 76ers at the time, so the media really just ate at them anytime they did something bad.
Michael was known for letting his game speak the loudest! He was cordial with opposing players and the media unless he thought they had crossed the line with him! In that instance, the media would get the silent treatment and players would become the object of his trash-talking! Zeke was the lone exception to that during MJ's career! My point is that Jordan had to truthfully feel slighted to react the way he did in that "last dance" interview
Jordan got tired of Thomas lighting him up like a pinball machine. MJ wanted dudes to back down from him and IT didn't. Jordan calling him an a-hole is the pot calling the kettle black. Great job by Thomas and the Pistons owning MJ's Bulls for 6 years. What the tapes,,,,,,
The Pistons was seasoned when Mike came into the league. They wasn't winning championships yet but IT was in the league 3 years before Mike. LeBron didn't start winning til some years later and also Isiah and the Pistons
He called him an A hole for these reasons. He froze him out of his first all star game, THey constantly tried to hurt MJ with the dirty play and he sweeps him and he walks off classless and does not shake hands. Every Pistons series, MJ shook hands afterwards. Sportsmanship and class. That is the difference. They all loss at some point. They were not old either. Isiah was 30 when the Bull swept them.
Ok so is that why MJ wanted Rodman on his team? You know, after Rodman was dam near clotheslining his ass on the court. Rodman = no grudge, IT = he hates? MJ also friends to this day with Bird. He DEFIANTLY should have beef if that was based on just losing. MJs not the only one that hated IT. He's a fkn liar to this day.
Isaiah states . We didn’t do nothing different then the Celtics did, we did nothing different then the lakers did? Is he nuts? The Pistons deliberately tried to hurt people even jeopardize their careers . Bill lambere would actually try to put his feet where other players land , when coming down from a layup or dunk ,hoping they would land on his feet and twist their ankles. They were dirty ,classless and hated by the fans outside Detroit , they’re a black spot that will never go away on the nba. I’m a sixers fan and I hated the Celtics hated the lakers but the pistons? They were beyond hated . They tried to ruin the league hurt the stars and were just a bunch of dirty players ! They couldn’t beat the league by playing fair. So they cheated . Who could route for that? Not me or hardly anyone!
Michael hates Isiah because Isiah and the Pistons went 3-1 in the playoffs vs Jordan. Simple as that. Bird and Isiah are the only ones who can say they got the best of Michael. (Bird was 3-0, and even swept michael)
Yeah, and MJ and Bird are friends to this day. Including Rodman as well, who was on the Pistons. So that "losing is why he hates him" excuse doesnt hold up. Its obviously NOT "simple as that".
Other players from around the league at that time also accuse Thomas of being the "mastermind" behind the "Bad Boys" antics. If Jordan was the only guy to say it, maybe it's personal, but when others agree, it just the way it was.
Isiah admitted he’s a sore loser. I would classify most sore losers as assholes too, to be honest. I still feel Pistons were dirty. Sure, physical stuff happened but probability and frequency from the pistons was 10 x. I’m team Michael. Lol
there's no way to convince me that he was an A-Hole. So MJ is not calling him a A-hole he said he was an A-hole. Isaiah is just trying to spark something
Can you please expound on your comment for those who don't know the story about David Falk & the role he played in slanderizing Isiah Thomas name & causing a permanent riff between he & Michael Jordan.
Somebody need to share scripture with MJ. Because having a grudge and contempt with your brothers and sisters is going to lead you straight to hell with Satan and his minions. Pray for this man.
Life is too short to keep grudges. People make mistakes and say stupid things they regret years later. Michael should learn that most people, even principled that seem faultless, at times fall.
It's a no brainer when it comes to this kind of thing. Good Sportsmanship would have had a totally different effect on Michael. You didn't want to give him the very thing he wanted the most. A passing of the torch handshake. Don't play like you suffered a sudden lapse in judgment. In the final analysis, you actually DID! 😖😳🤔🥴
I grew up in this era in Chicago... man I f'n hated the Pistons. What sucked about this was even though I hated them soo much, I respected Isiah. Great player, from Chicago, he's still in my top 5 all time PG's. But he lost it with the walk off then to say he didn't start it he just joined in... when he was the leader?
I've always found humor in winners demanding humility from their vanquished opponents with a handshake moments after they just lost. It's kind of like a humiliation ritual disguised as "sportsmanship" or "honor" Truly great champions aren't sociopaths that need to be congratulated by their rivals. Anyone that thinks the handshake was the reason for Jordans hate of Thomas is delusional, or a closet sociopath themselves. The bad blood between the two stems from multiple instances of jealousy from Thomas and Jordan both. You don't think MJ wasn't jealous of Thomas in the years leading up to him finally defeating the Bad Boys? They weren't just a thorn in his side they were by and far his greatest opponents. Jordan finally conquered it all yes, but those Pistons are one of the greatest teams ever over a 5 year span. Of course he was jealous of their success, he thought he deserved it more than them, and he was probably right, from his perspective The Pistons are my favorite team and the Bad Boys my favorite era of my favorite team. Jordan was better than Zeke, but I like Zeke more. Doesn't mean I can't recognize the petty jealousy he had for Jordan becoming the favored son of Zeke's own hometown. Its petty and egotistical asf, but thats human flaw in full effect. Two peers whose ego's couldn't allow them to be humble toward the other one, thats called rivalry. Respect earned no love lost. Media is at fault for continuing to inquire about the feelings they have for each other. Sure Zeke talks about the handshake or the dream team snub, but does anyone believe he just goes on podcasts and immediately brings up these issues without any sort of lead-in from a talking head? Remember who fans the flames ppl. It ain't these two. Its the commentators on shows and creators of videos that we watch on the subject. conflict=ratings, this is a trick media uses for ratings, clicks, views, etc. Politics, sports, music, hollywood etc. People like watching car crashes as long as it isn't happening to them.
In my opinion Isaiah Thomas twists and distorts situations to make himself look like the victim. Jordan's dislike of Thomas is a reaction of the Piston's bad deeds against the Bulls. The Pistons not only played physical.....they took it to a level that they are TRYING to injure the opposing players and that is malicious. Now I think Jordan could of forgiven that but what I think what made it more worse was that Isaiah Thomas (along with most of his teamates) REFUSED to shake hands with the Bulls in 1991 when they were swepted. Jordan was always decent enough to shake the Pistons hands in each of the 3 years prior when they lost to the Pistons....and when Jordan overcame them the Pistons refused to shake hands. To me that shows the Pistons were bad people. Isaiah tries to justifiy that by saying "The Celtics refused to shake our hands when we finally beat them".....but why did the Celtics ONLY refused to shake the Pistons hands in defeat and not other teams they got defeated by? I think it was a reaction to the Pistons malicious bad intentions style of play. You all see how Isaiah likes to twist and distort facts to HIS favor?
“There’s no way you can convince me he wasn’t the asshole” LMFAOOO, that’s some savage shit man.
Who Michael? Zeke beat the breaks off of Jordan
@@Ambienceentertain zeke lmao. Got swept and acted like an asshole.
@spider-man120 they played many times before that and the bulls lost everyone of them series
@@Ambienceentertain and Jordan congratulated them every time and shook their hand.
@@spider-man120Thank you
Isaiah's response to The Last Dance: "I was watching a documentary of a guy being an @$$hole to everybody but then call me a @$$hole."😂
lol.
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MJ: I respect Isaiah's talent. He's the 2nd best point guard ever, behind Magic. Guess MJ didn't think the 2nd best point guard in NBA history could've helped the USA team win, though, eh MJ?? Who's the real rectal orifice??? Also, to those who never saw him play, I'd pick Oscar Robertson over ANY point guard in NBA history. Period. He was better, bigger, and just as quick as Thomas, and a better scorer. As a pure point guard, he was also better than Magic. Magic was more versatile, as he could even play Forward and Center. But the best point guard in NBA history was Oscar Robertson, who once averaged a triple double for an entire NBA season!!! Plus, other than Jerry Lucas, Oscar never played with any great players, or on a great team. But as soon as he did have some great team mates, he won an NBA championship with the 1971 Milwaukee Bucks. Oscar was on his way down from his greatest years then. But teamed with Alcindor, Dandridge, etc., they went all the way.....
Isiah told the truth because in that doc Jordan was shown as being a bully and disrespectful of the guys who helped win titles. It was proven early on that while Jordan put on a show and would often score 40, 50, 60 pts, he wasn't going to win an NBA title unless he had help and he had to trust other guys and he eventually came to that conclusion and won 6 titles.
It's isn't about how good you are because it's about how good the guys around you are and in LA and Boston, Magic and Bird had great supporting casts who had their back.
Jordan finally got that later on in his career.
The part of the doc that showed them disrespecting Jerry Krause was in bad taste because that man had passed away and his family had to see him being mistreated so that to me was low plus Scottie Pippen talked about the doc in that it was all about Jordan as if they didn't do anything but come along for the ride.
Jordan was an ahole and even today guys who played with Jordan have called him a bully and an ahole so when former teammates all have a similar opinion of you, they're not lying.
Also in that doc, they disrespected Jerry Krause and even if they did not like that man, they should have shown him the respect he deserved for putting the pieces together that turned the Bulls into 6 time champions.
Plus as Isiah said, the man has passed on and his family has to see that.
I'm like Isiah in that I cannot respect that.
Every time when Isiah Thomas is questioned or challenged about his actions, he always deflects and want to tell about what others have done, rather than to just own his own actions.
This is true and he's my favorite player.
Isiah good or bad or whatever is still the best PG ever after Magic and he deserved based on merit and body of work to be on the Dream Team so that can never been undone but just like he say down with Karl Malone, he needs to do the same with Jordan and air their differences.
These guys are now 60 plus so get hammered out before it's too late and then regret sets in.
The classic what about?
“ when evolving the Pistons good or bad I’ll take the blame “ yall hear what yall hear! Makes me question yall comprehension skills 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly! First, he says he didn't lead the walk off, as if he wasn't a leader on that team. Next, he subsequently starts talking about another team. What a cowardly way to answer the question. I would have preferred him say, yes me and my teammates were angry at that time so we decided we wouldn't shake their hands. Would I do it now? No, but I accept responsibility for what we did then.
To me isiah Thomas was like a mischievous kid trying to get other kids to bully somebody.
And kept smiling in the back even when things get waay too far until bridges are burned
Yes indeed one of the biggest instigators of the NBA through the years
He’s a mild sociopath
Yes, an instigator.
@@minnesotafats8140
Still Zeke > Curry.
All day long
I didn't lead the walk off I just joined inn ...
AS the captain and leader of the team. lol
@@MrEJF02 'OL SKOOL DETROITER HERE: BUT, LAIMBEER LIKE MAHORN WAS BEFORE THA' TRADE, WAS THA' LOCKERROOM LEADER! AND, HE HATED JORDAN & PIPPEN PROBABLY THA' MOST (HAS DISSED THEM BADLY BEFORE ON OLD INTERVIEWS !TOO )!! THEREFORE, IT COULD HAVE BEEN HIS CALL THAT TYME!! AND, HE WAS LEADING THA' WAY BY THA' WAY AZ WELL! AND, I IRONICALLY HAD MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THAT BACK THEN, & HAD SWITCHED-UP & BECAME ONE OF THA' BIGGEST JORDAN FANS HERE RIGHT AFTERWARDZ TOO PARTLY BECAUSE OF THAT (I CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT 30 PAIR OF HIS KICKZ MOSTLY IN MINT CONDITION FROM MANY YEARS AGO TOO!)(AND, CAME OF AGE BACK THEN AZ A BIG TYME BLACKTOP/REC. CTR. HOOPER & WENT ON TO HIT SO MANY GAME WINNING SHOTZ THAT I LOST COUNT BY 19 YEARS OF AGE LIKE M.J. ,BUT AZ A P.G. LIKE ZEKE-& LOOK SIMILAR TO A YUNGER VERSION OF HIM TOO!!)!
I don’t know what happened…you don’t know what a walk off is. Duh
I'm with MJ all the way. MJ got it right years ago when it happened. MJ still has it right now.
I don’t know who led the walk off, but it was calculated once they knew they were gonna lose they decided to walk off and not shake hands.
And he was the leader and captain of the team.
@@MrEJF02 CORRECT!!! 💯💯💯
Joe Dumars waked off but shook everybodies hand on his way out.
That's how you do it.
After the way the Bulls conducted themselves in the days before, I wouldn't have even given any of them a glance. And Jordan certainly knows about being an asshole!
This is BS and fake outrage. No one said a damn thing about the Bird led Celtics walking off with time still on the clock, not shaking hands or congrats to the Pistons after finally dethoning the Celtics. There's a shot of Isaiah and McHale dapping up. The rest of the Celtics team is walking to the locker room. America.
The problem with Isisah is that he still dun think the Pistons did anything wrong by walking away. He kept bringing up that the Celtics did it before and so on. That doesn’t mean it is the right thing to do.
But the fact is, Bulls shook their hands when they lost, that is a fact. So it is just courtesy for them to do the same. isisah being the defecto leader, should have stopped the Pistons from doing that. To only change his tone after the media outburst, just show what kind of standards he held himself to as a leader of the Pistons.
They didn't because the Celtics did the same thing when Detroit beat them. All of the Celtics except McHale waked off the court and there's video of that if you care to check it out yet Larry Bird never gets called out nor do the Celtics for walking off but more than that the NBA upper management was upset that someone had crashed the Lakers and Celtics party that had went on since Magic and Larry showed up except for a few years when Philly crashed it but outside of that the Lakers and Celtics had ruled the 1980s and the NBA didn't want anyone else crashing that party.
The NBA was brought back to life because prior to Magic, Bird and later Jordan, the NBA wasn't being shown on tv live. In fact the NBA Finals was being tape delayed when Magic won his first title in 1980.
@@phade2blaqCeltics should get called out
@@phade2blaq I am a huge Pistons fan and that's BS.
The Celtics were told to leave for security reasons, not because they were salty.
Mchale, also famously stopped and told Thomas to go the finals and win it.
@@phade2blaq FACTS!!! AND No one seems to mention the disrespect Jordan Pippen and Phil had when saying the Pistons were thugs and bad for the game which in hind sight was ridiculous. Defense was not as bad as this mess we watch now. Half court misses all day smh
Everyone said Pistons were thugs, not just the bulls. Although, I agree the defense now is just fucking stupid, but unfortunately the ad sponsors will never let defense be played like that again. @@lbt782
MJ brutally honest and sticking by his word really shows his character 🐐
Isaiah was mad talented but bro changed his story all the time 😅
Now if Isaiah stuck by his word and said he led the walk off because Jordan disrespected his team and legacy he would be more respected. Jordan did say the nba will be better with the Pistons out of the way prior to sweeping them. So walking off the court and not shaking Jordan hand was Justified. Isiah had to fight Bird Celtics and Magic Lakers the two greatest franchises ever to get on top. Jordan never had to face the Lakers or Celtics in their prime. You’re correct Isiah keeps changing his story. That’s his problem he’s standing on his word. History shows he’s only star beat Jordan in his prime. He should just admit he hate Jordan but respect his game. Jordan hate him but respect his game and it’s no problem.
@@MrLp1980 MJ can say shit. You can t just lobby a team out of the NBA. And if you do it while the Celtics, the Lakers sand everybody else are out there competing with them , then you are a hypocrite. Period. I dont think MJ is leagues better person than Isiah. As the press tries to paint him.
He's trying to blame somebody else as being responsible for leading the walk off.
Isiah did not lead the walk off. Bill Laimbeer said it was his idea to walk off. But that's 30 plus years ago so let it go. Jordan and Isiah need to sit down and air out their differences and explain why they did what they did as young immature men back then.
With that being said, Isiah deserved to on the Dream Team and Clyde Drexler, David Robinson, Pat Ewing etc have all said this over the years that he was deserving.
Based on merit and body of work, Isiah definitely deserved to be there because his Olympic team in 1980s boycotted the Olympics in protest of Russia invading Afghanistan so they didn't get a chance to play.
What difference does it make? Whether Isiah was the leader of the walk off or not he was APART of it!
@@phade2blaqthat beef is going to the grave. Jordan won’t ever sit down Thomas. Some people just don’t like each other.
@@SWEETMAN57 CORRECT!!! 💯💯💯💯
@@michaelterrell2108 FACTS!!! 💯💯💯💯
Chuck Daly, his own coach was embarrassed by Isaiah walking off before time expired! He was their leader period! His actions were inexcusable.....
CORRECT!! 💯💯💯
The reason they walked off the court was because they Call Detroit a bunch of thugs and the team represented Detroit and they felt they were not thugs and that was an insult
@@williamwright1281 Jordan always congratulated the Pistons after losing in the Playoffs! They were sore losers!
@@davidwilliams3379 Jordan insulted the people of the city of Detroit that is why they walked out
Chuck didn't really give af. He played to the cameras. The Indiana Pacers assaults and beats tf out of an entire audience of Detroit fans, and idiots still talking about the Piston's not shaking hands with mfkn Chicago Bulls over 30 years ago.
You can see Isaia dip his head and walking right past the Bulls in close proximity. Natural instinct is to to say sup and then walk off. I think that's what ticked off Jordan. And knowing Jordan. All his emotions were in this series because he lost so many times before against the same team.
Correct jordan got beaten so many times by the bad boys that is why i Don't Consider him as the Goat.
@@fatimanicole13 like boston, spurs and warriors did to lebron lol
He knew what he was doing and that he knew that he was wrong for how he behaved. Jordan expected him to be man enough to accept defeat and shake his hand like a man. That proved to be something that Isiah Thomas couldn't do and STILL can't do to this day.
In conclusion, Isiah and those Piston bad boys are genuinely BAD. No respect to their opponents. You can be very competitive but still have to respect each other, especially both are great talented basketball players. Larry Bird is super competitive and an ass hold too. But he respects MJ.
That's exactly why Jordan doesn't have any respect for Isiah as a man. He respected Thomas's playing abilities but he detests Thomas's lack of sportsmanship
Isaiah is like Caesar, you cant let him start talking cuz nobody is more persuasive
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He is also a tough motherfucker, works harder than anybody else and deserves every inch of his accolades. And anybody not thinking this, try being 6'1 in the most physical NBa period, dominated by 7 footer boxers and get the numbers Zeke had. Which could had been better because he could have easily averaged 30+ ppg for his career if he did not sacrificed offense for defense and teamplay.
Apparently not persuasive enough to convince the people commenting here, nor me, that he’s not an arse… nor the NY Knicks to keep his executive job (having sexually harassed co-workers as I recall).
Just for the record Isaiah Thomas has hated MJ since the beginning because MJ was beloved in Chicago meanwhile he himself who's from Chicago is hated there. His beef with MJ started from MJ's first year where he made the All Star team and Isaiah wouldn't pass him the ball and got everyone else on the team to also not pass the ball by freezing him out. Plus the Bad Boy Pistons had their own "Jordan Rules" where they singled him out and physically beat him up. There was a lot of history between them before this walk off incident.
Yep that’s correct, although I think Chicago actually started hating Zeke during the 87-88 season.
Isiah never hated MJ. Fuck outta here
Let’s not forget how Jordan called them all thugs to the media before the game. Plus “Jordan rules” were just to lead him base side or double to pass the ball. Pistons gave the Bulls the EXACT treatment they got from the Celtics and Lakers. Isiah is made because Jordan whined to the commissioner about the hard fouls when Isiah and everyone else just dealt with it
@@MrEvolution513 That's funny because at one time Isiah owned Chicago but when the Pistons began beating the snot out of Chicago, it makes sense that people who rooted for the Bulls would hate Isiah and the Pistons.
@@nutsylevi He called them thugs and then NBA commish David Stern backed them up on that plus Jordan and Phil Jackson both said they were bad for basketball nevermind all NBA teams back then played rough basketball meaning when you went to the paint, you knew you were going to get hit hard and that was the way they played because the NBA has always had a rule that says no easy baskets send them to the FT line.
Isaiah is from Chicago but MJ is the legend of Chicago
Man I didn’t know IT was so well spoken. It’s almost scary.
He speaks in a calm manner with that pleasant smile on his face. It makes you wonder what’s going on in his head.
he type that smile at you then bang your wife and smile at you again
Wolf in sheep's clothing. He's a mean MF
Must be your first time hearing him speak
@@joncrall4628 yes it is that’s why I said I didn’t know he is so well spoken
Narcissistic people are able to do that.
Bill Laimbeer told Isiah not to shake hands.
John Salley and Joe Dumars are the Classiest Ones with Good Sportsmanships
In Game 6 of the 1988 ECF, the Celtics literally walked off the court with Adrian Dantley on the foul line shooting free throws, and still time remaining on the clock. It wasn't a thing to stick around and congratulate the other team on beating you.
Isiah trying to say thats how its done but he lying.
Zeke threw racist comments on Bird by repeating what Rodman said about Bird would be viewed as an average player if he wasnt white and that's the reason why the Celtics, who were mostly white, didn't wanna shake hands.
Celtics left for security reasons
@@jerryapgar2579 Security reasons??? That's the story that you're going with.
@@alexh8613typical Boston Blarney.
Back then you'd try and score until the last second as well. Anyway, 3 doesn't beat 2, but the '80's Celtic's never repeated, while the Piston's did.
All this bs deflecting talking about what the Celtics did a year prior is insane. Micheal lost to the pistons 3years in a row and shook their hands after every loss. Isiah should stop using this as an excuse because it doesn't hold water.
Exactly.
Yep they did
If he wanted to deal with the losing the championship game what business is it of yours everyone have a right too express their disappointment at losing a championship game stop scolding him he is only human.
@@8td8tr to get respect you have to give respect son tough lesson to learn
Chuck Daly coached the Dream Team, and he coached Isiah Thomas and the Bad Boy Pistons. I don't know if he had anything to do with Isiah not being on the Dream Team, but the fact that he coached that squad and Isiah still wasn't on that team has to say something about why Isiah wasn't on the Dream Team.
He threw his team mates under the buss saying he didn't lead the walk off
Sure did!! 💯💯💯
Yes and no. I only say no because he didn’t name any names
@Hollywood Yes he did. In "The Last Dance", Isiah said Bill Laimbeer went up to him & said they're not shaking hands.
@@djhines05 Zeke is a snake to the core.
Threw shade at Larry's race
Threw shade at Magic's sexual preference
Threw shade at Jordan's character.
Threw his teammates under the bus.
Choked his own assistant coach.
Zeke used his position as president of players association to make other players kiss his ass.
@@dylanlanzuela7305 Yep! He sure did! 💯💯💯
Anyone who hates someone and holds grudges will not be forgiven themselves and is in danger of going to hell.
HWolfelll- Hell? Hell? Hell? the fact that you actually believe in such a "literal" place has you in hell already!
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Thanks Jesus
I don't understand why the walk-off would cause so hatred. Most normal people would just give them all the middle finger, not literally but figuratively, and move on.
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I'm so surprised out of all people Jordan let Isiah get to him, I would of never thought no one could bother Jordan. I think Isiah and tha Pistons made Jordan stronger than ever. Jordan and tha Bulls really took a beating playing them :(
Because MJ could smell hyenas from miles away.
MJ was straight shooter with alpha personality and he could read his intentions but still admits that he was one of the best players unlike this flip flopper who now says that LeBron is better than MJ
@@mira3422 Right but you did not respind to anything that I wrote, :(
Really? He was the captain of the dirtiest team in the NBA for years.
@@jb6879 Who was ? If you are talking about Isiah, I would say he was up there for sure. Bill Laimbeer was number 1 though :)
Isaiah, just bringing up what other teams did to justify his actions
yet he doesn't bring up the fact that Jordan shook the Pistons' hands each year they beat the Bulls. Isiah is full of 💩
Isiah know that he is talking crap on that one
CORRECT!! 💯💯💯
Isaiah attempting to justify himself by claiming he didn’t lead the walkoff was some stuff. You were essentially the team leader. Own it.
In the documentary the Bad Boys they asked who was responsible for the walk off in 91 and if my memory serves me correctly Isaiah Thomas said it was his idea for the walk off
I heard it was Bill.
Hate is a big word
Pistons weren't as marketable as the Celtics, Lakers, 76ers or Bulls. Whatever bad the Pistons did, sport media multiplied it by 10. Eg no one bothers with the brawls of Kurt Rambis, yet he is now a respected Lakers icon (player, coach, executive) and no one asks him about his grudges when compared to Laimbeer.
Marketable?
@@cbrown940 Isaiah Thomas Nike shoes would have been cool
@@petr79 can't disagree with you, captain - except to say Isiah's deal was with Converse, which was not yet a Nike subsidiary. along with Magic, Bird & Doc.
76ers that’s a stretch
@@chqnnel2651 at one point they had veterans M. Malone and J. Erving and rookie C. Barkley
Jordan is my all time favorite player. I consider him NBA’s GOAT. However, I must admit that I think Jordan is being too extra on the whole walkout thing. The Boston Celtics walked out and not a word mentioned. I just don’t think it is that serious.
That's because Isiah was known, from damn near ALL the players, for doing some shady shit during that time, especially to MJ when he started in the NBA. So for Isiah to did what he did when the Bulls swept the Pistons to advanced in the Finals....it was pretty much the last straw. And plus (which the Celtics was wrong to do that, also...).....shaking hands at the end of ANY game is called sportsmanship. Isiah knew it was wrong. He knew better, because he was the team captain of that team. And he listened to Laimbeer (the walk out idea came from him...). Isiah was the leader. He knew better. The ONLY players from the Pistons that respectfully shooked MJ & the Bulls' hands, were Joe Dumars & John Salley.
MJ shook hands with Isaiah every time he lost. Isaiah knew he was doing wrong when he ducked behind the bigs as he left the court. Watch his movement as he's leaving.
@@1stshepherd CORRECT!!! 💯💯💯
@@djhines05 why you sucking up to Jordan so much it was Isaiah Thomas's family the help Jordan out when he first got to Chicago to the point where his brother I'm out with Jordan and his nephew live with Jordan it's not what you think
Nobody said anything when the Celtics walked out without shaking hands
@William Wright 😂😂😂😂 So out of all comments, I gotta be the one to...what did you typed?? "sucking up to Jordan", & what else?? "Nobody said anything when the Celtics walked out without shaking hands". Now damned near MOST of the comments & responses mentioned about what the Celtics did, but you wanna come at me....why?? 😳🤔 Why I gotta be the one "sucking up to Jordan", when alot of people in these comments, typed in damn near the same shit I've typed. But according to you, Im the one "sucking up to Jordan", huh?! SMDH.....🙄😂
if you understand psychology,isiah really messed jordans ego bcoz he wasnt intimidated by him and got rings before him,isiah doesnt idolise him like many players because he defeated him,yes jordan beat pistons later bcoz they were full of injuries and were not the same.zeke is the only player who bothers mike till this day.
I think you’ve got it backwards. Zeke hated and envied Mike from the get go. He couldn’t stand the fact that this kid was taking over his home town , and was becoming more beloved there than he ever was. Zeke’s own family rooted against him and the Pistons when they played the Bulls. His own college coach (Knight) called him(Jordan )the greatest basketball player he’d ever seen, BEFORE he even set foot in the NBA. You speak of understanding psychology, yet you fail to understand how Mike fucked up Zeke mentality without doing anything directly to him. Isaiah said it himself, he’s a “sore loser”. It’s like the popular kid in school who all of a sudden was usurped by someone new and he could never get over it.
@@eros727 exactly
Mike is a billionaire he don’t give a fk
@@angoleiro444 Isiah Thomas just can't stand the fact that Jordan was getting loved by his hometown team!
Injured? Excuses.
Jordan shake opponent hands after their loss
He's admitting his loses
That's why he's upset on Thomas and co.
I’ll give that team and Isaiah credit they had their time and were very talented and proved it. And I do agree with Isaiah about other people doing the exact same thing using that era and nothing was ever said and never brought up, but the fact MJ brought it up was shining a light directly on that event. MJ is the greatest in my opinion, but when he didn’t get his way he acted like a little punk too and we all saw that. When Isaiah said “everyone else did it” stuck out to me, e cause I was always taught just because these people do it don’t mean you should. My parents always tried to teach me to do better than the ones that were doing just enough to get by so that WHOLE team should’ve showed a little class in that moment in my opinion but maybe that’s my older mind thinking too much
MJ wasn't acting like a little punk when it pertains to this situation. What you said about when you hear Zeke said "Everyone else did it", & your thoughts on that part.....MJ felt (& STILL FEELS...) the SAME EXACT WAY. MJ was extremely old school & played basic fundamentals when it pertains to the game of basketball. And one of the biggest basic fundamentals of the game is sportsmanship, which you show respect to the opposite team, win or lose. MJ shooked Zeke's hands as well as the entire Pistons team when we (the Bulls) lost to them 3 consecutive years in the Eastern Conference Championships. Zeke should've shown the same respect towards MJ when the Bulls swept the Pistons in '91. Zeke was the team captain of the Pistons. He should've known better than to take Laimbeer's idiotic idea to NOT shake the Bulls team's hands. He knew he done fucked up when he did that. And I agree with you when you....just because the Celtics did that to you, doesn't mean you should do that when you lose to another team. 💯💯💯💯
@@djhines05 he still holds a specific grudge and one incident has made him hate 1 man this long!! I’m sorry that is very mature of him isn’t it?? I’m a die hard “MJ is the greatest player EVER in basketball” and I’m no Isaiah fan but hated 1 man for “not shaking our hands” you really don’t hear lambeer, and Rodman complaining about bird and mchale not shaking hands do you? If you’ve heard it then I haven’t then I’ll apologize, but 1 incident has earned Isaiah that much hate from MJ this long? Someone is acting like a punk
@shanewoods1980 Well, actually.....MJ was already over it when it happened. 😂😂 MJ had waaaay better things to think about. And that was winning our (I'm a Bulls fan...😊👌🏼👍🏼❤️🖤❤️🖤) first NBA Championship. It was actually the media that made the "no hands shake" a hot topic! 😂😂 We didn't hear anything from MJ about this until what....when the Dream Team was formed, & Zeke wasn't chosen to be a part of the team, due to the "no hands shake" situation. And then Zeke brought more attention to himself, which made it worse....for him. MJ kept his mouth shut about it until The Last Dance documentary. Even though the Dream Team documentary came out & everyone else talked about the situation with Zeke, MJ still at that time, didn't talked about it. Zeke continued to keep bringing it up! SMDH....🙄🤦🏽♀️😂😂😂 Just bringing more negative attention on himself. But, of course, MJ was gonna address the Isiah situation on the Last Dance documentary, which he did. He said what he felt about it, then he done moved on from it. That man has moved on to live his best life. And Zeke STILL can't let it go. That's called "having a guilty conscience", cause deep down.....Zeke knew he was wrong for doing that. That's why he said if he can do it all over again, he WOULD'VE shook MJ's hand. It's called sportsmanship. Anyone that played ANY type of sports, was taught about sportsmanship. That's one of the biggest fundamentals of ANY game. You show some respect to your opponent, win or lose. Isiah KNEW that.
@shanewoods1980 And MJ never said he "hated" Isiah. The man said that Isiah was being an asshole for what he did at THAT time. But I don't think the man "hates" Isiah.
@@djhines05 no he’s quoted as saying he respects Isaiah’s game and skills but he “can’t stand the man and never cares to talk to him or about him ever again” so I guess you’re right that can’t be misconstrued as hatred oh my bad
Isiah started with the freeze of Michael Jordan during MJ's first all star game. When he wanted fellow teammates not pass Jordan the ball.
I was going to point this out. A lot of people don’t know about that. He started the beef but crud about it till this day.
The biggest basketball conspiracy theory ive ever seen
I'm a huge MJ fan. #1 fan to be exact.
But, how much punishment thomas will have to take before the world goes past this????
The man has been punished enough!
Shut up lol !!!! The dude left like a bitch !!! Even in this interview he said “ look back at the footage , I didn’t lead the walk off .. lol he won’t take responsibility over his actions !
Isiah is acting like a "hoe b*tch"!
Thanks for being objective. It did not warrant him missing the Dream team.
He keeps fighting it instead of admitting he did some classless BS. Stop trying to lump other teams in, saying they did it too, like a dry snitch. He needs to accept his own bs then move on.
If he stops going on podcasts talking about it like it didnt happen. As though they were not dirty and knocking MJ out the air.
You can see Isiah is sorry he did it. We’ve all done some trashy things that we are sorry for. It seems like Jordan can’t forgive a decision made in a very emotional moment. Sad he can’t move on.
He isn't sorry. He even tried to lie about whether he led the walk off, choosing to parse words about who "led" it. Why would Jordan forgive him when IT has never apologized.
@@mikewubben2844just cos someone jumps off a cliff doesn’t mean you have to. If someone is unforgiving, you don’t have to be.
Michael Jordan is correct. Isiah was acting like a little a**hole. I used to be a Pistons fan until what he and their management did to Adrian Darnley. Isiah had a lot to do with that no matter how much he lies about not being involved in the decision. It was great karma that he wasn’t on The Dream Team. He deserved to be denied that chance simply by what he did to AD!!
Isiah hands down he competed against magic, bird, Jordan and etc. lead his team to multiple chips. I’m not a stats guy, but Look at what he did in 13 seasons legend status.
Yes , Statuswise he was great on the field, but as far as attitude is concerned it´s like MJ said : He was an asshole. And it´s not just Jordan´s opinion , at least 6 or 7 members of the 1992 Dream Team felt that way, and I´m not even counting the numerous guys who were not part of that roster but played against Thomas.
He was a schmuck and a douchebag, and I believe till this day had the NBA changed the rules of dirty playing and cheap shots like they are right now ,The Bad Boys would never have won those two championships, at least 3 or 4 key players would have fouled out or been ejected from the floor every game.
@@luisrodriguez-mb7cc Scottie felt at least as strongly as MJ about keeping Isiah off. He has said it on camera very specifically. And yes, it's well known the Bulls' Stars had some company there too.
@@Amick44 could Scotty have won multiple championships had MJ not been on the Bulls' team?
The answer is pretty obvious, Pippen was part of Portland and Houston after he left Chicago, they had pretty good rosters and weren't able to win a title.
Jordan on the other hand had shitty team prior and after Pippen, and was still a Superstar.
He never won a title without a second all-star because it' s impossible to do it in the NBA.
Even Thomas had Joe Dumars, Rodman and that thug called Laimbeer to help him win.
That's my point, some players are Batman and others are Robin.
And we know who is who in the Bulls' case.
Isaiah was and still is a jerk, a great player?
No doubt about it, but when it comes to P.R he had much to be desired.
By multiple do You mean 2 rings he won?
Lambier was actually the one that orchestrated the walk off, it was his idea. Isaiah Thomas took the heat and blame for it because he was the leader of the team at that time. I always thought that was big of Isaiah. He never threw Bill Lambier under the bus
Isiah DID threw Laimbeer under the bus when featured in "The Last Dance". But Laimbeer doesn't give a fuck that Isiah did. Laimbeer will proudly say it, if anyone asked him, I'm sure. He doesn't like MJ, just cause MJ used to light Laimbeer's azz at the paint. 😂😂😂
@@djhines05 Zeke was that SNAKE who spread the rumors that Magic was gay, no one is surprised when he threw Laimbeer under the bus.
Everybody knows Zeke was the one pulling the strings.
He was that Leader who walked behind Bill Laimbeer as they walk off lol.
Laimbeer was the Man.
He was proud of what he did.
He was the face of the badboys and he was honored to be the one whom everybody hated.
@@dylanlanzuela7305 --You are a snake. A green snake in the grass. Those without the sense won't see you coming. On the one hand you trash Isaiah for "leading the walk off". On the other hand you lionize Laimbeer for leading the walk off. Never a word about Larry Bird doing the same shit when the Pistons beat the Celtics. Amazing that you can tie your shoes without hurting yourself. Or can you?
@@koolhandduke4087 Larry Bird did what he did and didn't throw anyone under the bus like Zeke.
Zeke made it PERSONAL with Larry when he mentioned Larry's RACE.
"If Bird Was Black, He'd Be Just Another Good Player."
Who wants to shake hands with a SNAKE like that?
@@dylanlanzuela7305 --Oh yeah, Laimbeer did what he did. Larry Bird did what he did. Isaiah did what he did but now it's a problem. Yeah, we get it without you having to say it you freaking snake.
That’s long time ago and it’s only a game but life goes on and learns to forgive each other! I don’t understand why people still holding onto the past and never let it go! They were young and they were champions and time makes young men grown older and wiser! Time to let it go!!! Life’s too short!
Because to them basketball is a religion. Their lives revolve around basketball and that's all they are known for.
@@JDwJC11 I saw the series between Chicago Bulls Vs the Detroit Pistons and it was a physical game between the bad boys Pistons against MJ. It went on for couple of years and the Detroit Pistons won two championships titles! Finally MJ beaten the bad boys pistons and he wants respect but Pistons wanted nothing to do with MJ and left the building without shaking hands. I think MJ wanted some respect from Isiah Thomas and the Pistons after all the hard fought series and finally beaten them. After the disrespectful, MJ will never forgive Isiah Thomas because he was the ring leader. But maybe there’s more to the game that we don’t know for sure behind doors!
sometimes i wonder how the members of Isiah's family feel about mj...
They love MJ more than Isiah. ahahah
His family was still in Chicago and STILL rooting for Chicago
Now to my understanding, Isiah started feeling "jealous" of MJ, because Isiah's from Chicago, & thought everybody, especially his family....should love him, because it's his hometown. But he thought his entire family was gonna be Pistons fans, but was mad that his own nephew wore a Chicago Bulls jersey, & just so happens that it was a Jordan's jersey! 😂😂😂😂
@@CroPETROforeverNBA 👎
@@djhines05 If I was Isaiah Thomas, where it says "made in", on the tag inside the Jersey, I would write: "ISAIAH THOMAS"!
“There’s no way you could convince me he wasn’t an a**hole.” MJ simply told the truth. He congratulated the Pistons after each playoff defeat. And when it came time to pass the torch, self-admitted sore loser Isaiah wouldn’t return the favor. That shows you the difference in class between MJ and Zeke when it came to defeat.
For the record, Bill Laimbeer led the walk-off after Michael Jordan made the comments that The Bad Boys were dirty and Laimbeer, in particular, tried to end careers, just to gain a psychological edge on the court.
Isaiah is slick and slimy. He said I did not lead the walk off. Bill Lambert and some other guy technically was in front of him. Yes. However, Isaiah was the leader of that team. He is a slick dude and very smart. He deliberately had bill laimbeer and that other guy lead the walk off so he could say he did not lead the walk off. He wanted bill Laimbeer to take the flak. He wants his followers to take the fall instead of him. he was the leader and a slimy one at that. Every decision that team made went though him. He orchestrated the whole walk off and had bill laimbeer walk ahead of him to cover his tracks. Every bad thing the bad boys did. He orchestrated it. He ordered them to do their physical bullying antics.
Jordan rules left a bad taste. It's actually clear to see Jordan had huge respect for Isiah and that he is still upset by his actions.
Which team left the court before the clock ran out?
Isaiah is correct that other teams left championship games without shaking hands BUT Detroit walked off before the game was officially over...he can't recognize the difference?
I love MJ but his ego and spirit was broken because Zeke and the bad boys were busting his ass in the postseason and Jordan never had him shook. Like Zeke said they didn't do anything different than what the other teams did.
How was his spirit broken? 🤣
@@snakeeyes8273 I wish I could get my spirit broke like that and go on to win 6 rings
Nope
@@chrisa8863
Look at how MJ talks about IT. Look at his body language and MJ’s emotion. “I don’t care what you show me, it’s no way you can convince me he wasn’t an asshole.”
Spirit broken might be the wrong words but it’s something there and y’all have to get what SlickWilly was trying to say
@@THEBIGFISHNEMO I noticed that to man and it was scary how shook Jordan looked talking about Isiah I can almost feel the emotion the way his eyes were moving. He looked like he was about to cry or something. For some reason or another Isiah had that man shook. Isiah is the GOAT killer he beat all those legends Bird, Magic and Jordan 😆🤣. The Smiling Assassin.
Mike hate that isiah beat him, for rings.
He swept Isiah and the Pistons too and has more rings than he does. Make it make sense?
@@MrEJF02 read the post again.
@@teehud313
Then why doesnt he hate Rodman and Bird? Matter of fact, theyre friends to this day.
@@DmanDice Rodman helped him get rings. Bird didn't beat him year after year for eastern conference titles
“For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
Matthew 6:14-15 ESV
“So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart.””
Matthew 18:35 ESV
Isaiah was right, I recall the Celtics walking off the court to the locker room with time still on the clock. Theres a shot of Isaiah and Kevin McHale dapping up, as Bird and the rest of team walked off. No one accused Bird as the team leader of leading the walk off. It's BS, and MJ needs to bury this grudge.
He is right MJ disrespected the Pistons after game 3 I wouldn’t have shook his hand
Hey fool, you don't know the story. Celtics wanted Pistons to enjoy the moment. McHale encouraged Isiah by saying you need to win four more and Beat LA.
@@captain0310 MJ was a bitch
Jordan ain't got to do a damn thing
Isiah Thomas is the one with grudge. Stop projecting
I would have respected Isiah more if he just admitted to the truth, instead of telling a lie.
Funny lambier was in front of isiah in the walk off and in front of Lambier appeared to be trailing Rodman who Jordan accepted with open arms a few years later. Looks like Rodman lead the walkoff. 🤔
I agree with you about Laimbeer, because it was HIM that made up the idea to NOT shake the Bulls' hands. And Isiah (supposed to be their TEAM LEADER...) ran with him, because their Pistons got SWEPT in that conference playoffs. Rodman just went with the flow. But Laimbeer DEFINITELY led the walk off, like a straight up SUCKA. 😂😂😂
@@djhines05 Interesting how everyone who defends the Bulls in this instance utterly overlooks how the Bulls treated the Pistons and their fans before Game #4!
@@tonyjames1953 😳😳🤔🤔😏😏🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@djhines05 That is some reply. Bet you had help with it, though, right!
@@tonyjames1953 Nope! I just thought your shit was funny! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Isaiah always disliked Jordan, but he thought nobody knew how he truly felt. Now he play victim in the matter.
When Jordan played Thomas in the olympian vs. nba all-stars, Jordan EMBARRASSED him and he has held that grudge ever since.
Which is why he froze MJ out of his first all star game. MJ avg 28 pts a game as a rookie. Had 7 in the all-star game.
All of them
The hatred started when Thomas wanted to keep the ball away from Jordan in the 1985 all-star game. One of pettiest acts I have ever heard of in professional sports.
The conclusion is both of them hate each other but they respect each other talents and competition on the basketball court, simple as that
I have read that Michael Jordan told the Olympic committee that he would refuse to play if Isiah Thomas was on the team.
Both men hated each others. But, they both deserved their game.
From the interviews it felt like isaiah thomas kept the hate on the field, outside he was always a nice guy. But Jordan was carrying that 24/7
JORDAN WAS A GREAT GREAT PLAYER AND A GREAT HUMAN BEING EVETYBODY LOBED HIM.
ISIAH WAS A GOOD PLAYER NOT A GREAT ONE AND EVERYBODY HATED HIM THATS THE DIFFERENCE.
@@hussienali7552 BS
Isiah got over it and you gotta understand they was just trying to win he already made clear it was nothing personal it was just business. But Mike on the other hand.... As much as I like Mike he need to man up and sit down with Isiah it shouldn't be this deep
@@hussienali7552 GOOD PLAYER? Terrible evaluation of talent. "GOOD PLAYERS" Don't make the top 50 and top75 of all time. Great players do. Fouling or not, he won 2 rings and was a finals MVP.
He didn’t have to lead the walk off, the moment they ask him if he put the notion in their minds, he beats around it, I mean who was the leader, was Mark Aguirre the leader because he was walking in front of Laimbeer?
Everyone wants to be like Mike!! ❤
Nah Jordan is Jordan and Isiah is Isiah. Remember Isiah had a stellar amateur career and won titles in high school, college and the NBA. Jordan won in college and the NBA but prior to Jordan making that game winning shot in the NCAA title game, Jordan was not a household name.
In fact Jordan had a good game but people hardly remembered him from that game and not until he got to UNC did he begin to stand out after James Worthy and Sam Perkins left.
He's an idiot - not me
I still like Isaiah Thomas. I think they just made him as Public Enemy number one but the rivalries back then were tough and that's just how it was.
I never understood why shake hands at the end. Games were alot better when teams hated each other.
You can still hate each other and shake hands at the end of a playoff series. It happens at the end of every series in hockey. It doesn't change the fact that you hate the other team and want to make them shake your hand at the end as you move on or win the champion. Have you played any sport competitively?
Sportsmanship
If you ever played sports (Recreational, School, etc...), the coaches teaches you to show sportsmanship & respect to the opposing team your team play against at the end of each game. Win OR lose.
Don't care one way or the other what the players do, I'M going to hate the other team... and their fans. LOL
In the courtroom the driver of the getaway car is guilty too.
He knew what he was doing.. laimbeere was in his ear and he ran with it.. bs he 'didnt know that you shake hands'
CORRECT!!! 💯💯💯💯 He didn't liked it when the Celtics did that to him & most of the Pistons team. Zeke, Laimbeer, & most of the Pistons team (except Joe Dumars & John Salley...) didn't shake their hands, cause they got swept, 4-0.
@djhines05 pretty hard to respect a team as dirty as they played.. and they admit to the Jordan rules and everything man..
They beat the crap out of Larry too.. guy got elbowed and cut open..
Isiah saying he didn’t lead the walk off was a pure bs excuse for an unsportsmanlike act.
Oh where do I begin. So Isiah Thomas wouldn't shake His Highness' hand. Big deal. Let's remember that the Bulls repeatedly and publicly trashed the Pistons for days leading up to that series- "they're bad human beings, bad for basketball, they don't deserve their championships"-and on and on. So after repeatedly insulting me and dismissing what I've accomplished, NOW you want to shake my hand? Nah. I'll pass. Not to mention that was THIRTY years ago. Get over it, Michael. A little known fact: in 1988, when the Pistons bounced the Celtics from the playoffs, several of the Celtics (led by Bird) wouldn't shake the Pistons' hands. No one knows or cares about that. And why should they? But turn your back on His Highness (Jordan) and thirty years later Thomas still hangs on the cross for that. How ironic that Jordan, Bird, Fagic-all the "cool kids"- are all so righteous and have such animosity toward Thomas when those guys were all BIGGER dix than Thomas was. They were all arrogant prima donnas. So where do they get off?!
I lived in Chicago for 25 years, right during Jordan's heyday, and let me tell you, despite the "be like Mike" image the media went to great lengths to preserve, Michael Jordan was a sk um bag. Serial adulterer, degenerate gambler who would constantly welsh on his gambling debts, hung out with gamblers, drug dealers and other unsavory characters. He was NOT the lily white angel that the media made him out to be. Far from it.
If you want to see Michael Jordan's TRUE character, watch his hall of fame induction speech. It's downright appalling.
This, my friend, is a brilliantl post. Nobody remembers this. How was Isiah going to shake his hand after those bs comments. Zeke too proud for that.
But Jordan shook your hands for 3 years straight…
Seriously, it wasn't a sportsmanship moment for Zeek. He Ducked his head in shame after the loss. That's the sign of someone ashamed of their own Behavior. MJ May be a Ahole in his own right, but he was ALWAYS able to hold his head up no matter win or lose. Stop pleading your case for a Closed file Zeek
Ok having said that Bird did the same thing when the Celtics walked off when the Pistons beat them but somehow Bird never gets criticized for doing it. McHale was the only Celtics player who shook hands.
Never has a man been so loved , that has so much hatred in his heart for so many ... There was a guy in Germany once - but they didn't Really love him
The issue arises when you are 59 years old and still have contempt for the other person.
exactly
That's You, Because You Never Won Anything
This is why people hate this dude. No accountability, always saying "I didn't do it", "I didn't do that". Dude, you were the leader of that team, you could've said let's not do that. MJ shook your hand all the 3 years you beat him. The only class act in that Pistons team was Joe Dumars.
Ur a fool. Millions love him. Wake up
@@jimries625 millions, sure. ;)
Wasnt Dennis in the front of that line? 😂😂😂
He said he doesn’t remember anyone shaking hands. But I clearly see Michael Jordan shaking Isaiah thomas hands when Jordan lost.
Not just that, what does Celtics have to do with anything?
Eastern Conference Finals 1988 Game 6, whilst Adrian Dantley was shooting a FT, the Celtics walked off without shaking the Piston's hands. However, Kevin McHale shook Isiah's hand as they walked off, so I think Isiah was just tryna use that as an excuse. The thing is the Pistons weren't as marketable or popular as the Lakers, Celtics or 76ers at the time, so the media really just ate at them anytime they did something bad.
@@jaypsgamingworld1273 what I’m saying is, if Michael Jordan shook ur hands when u beat the Bulls, Celtics shaking ur hands or not is irrelevant.
@@noctis129 yeah I hear u dawg. I feel like he was just being a salty lil bitch. Cause MJ and em still showed sportsmanship
Michael was known for letting his game speak the loudest! He was cordial with opposing players and the media unless he thought they had crossed the line with him! In that instance, the media would get the silent treatment and players would become the object of his trash-talking! Zeke was the lone exception to that during MJ's career! My point is that Jordan had to truthfully feel slighted to react the way he did in that "last dance" interview
Jordan got tired of Thomas lighting him up like a pinball machine. MJ wanted dudes to back down from him and IT didn't. Jordan calling him an a-hole is the pot calling the kettle black. Great job by Thomas and the Pistons owning MJ's Bulls for 6 years. What the tapes,,,,,,
The Pistons was seasoned when Mike came into the league. They wasn't winning championships yet but IT was in the league 3 years before Mike. LeBron didn't start winning til some years later and also Isiah and the Pistons
@@Chevyboiz stop making excuses for MJ.
He called him an A hole for these reasons. He froze him out of his first all star game, THey constantly tried to hurt MJ with the dirty play and he sweeps him and he walks off classless and does not shake hands. Every Pistons series, MJ shook hands afterwards. Sportsmanship and class. That is the difference. They all loss at some point. They were not old either. Isiah was 30 when the Bull swept them.
Ok so is that why MJ wanted Rodman on his team? You know, after Rodman was dam near clotheslining his ass on the court. Rodman = no grudge, IT = he hates? MJ also friends to this day with Bird. He DEFIANTLY should have beef if that was based on just losing.
MJs not the only one that hated IT. He's a fkn liar to this day.
Isaiah states . We didn’t do nothing different then the Celtics did, we did nothing different then the lakers did? Is he nuts? The Pistons deliberately tried to hurt people even jeopardize their careers . Bill lambere would actually try to put his feet where other players land , when coming down from a layup or dunk ,hoping they would land on his feet and twist their ankles. They were dirty ,classless and hated by the fans outside Detroit , they’re a black spot that will never go away on the nba. I’m a sixers fan and I hated the Celtics hated the lakers but the pistons? They were beyond hated . They tried to ruin the league hurt the stars and were just a bunch of dirty players ! They couldn’t beat the league by playing fair. So they cheated . Who could route for that? Not me or hardly anyone!
Michael hates Isiah because Isiah and the Pistons went 3-1 in the playoffs vs Jordan. Simple as that.
Bird and Isiah are the only ones who can say they got the best of Michael. (Bird was 3-0, and even swept michael)
Yeah, and MJ and Bird are friends to this day. Including Rodman as well, who was on the Pistons. So that "losing is why he hates him" excuse doesnt hold up. Its obviously NOT "simple as that".
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Please explain how its Bingo based on my other comment?
Isiah and those who walked off were WRONG!
Isaiah Thomas shows how great he was the fact that many greats like MJ, Bird, and Magic Johnson were defeated
Other players from around the league at that time also accuse Thomas of being the "mastermind" behind the "Bad Boys" antics. If Jordan was the only guy to say it, maybe it's personal, but when others agree, it just the way it was.
Michael Jordan is jealous of Isaiah in the ass whooping he took from them the Pistons
Now cut it out. What's 2 rings vs 6???
Bullsh** Isaiah is jealous of Michael because he got love from his hometown and he didn't!
This is dumb. MJ is friends with Bird and Rodman to this day and they whipped MJs ass even worse.
I probably would not be the basketball fan I am if I hadn't seen those games.i just didn't think the beef would last this long 😅
Isiah admitted he’s a sore loser. I would classify most sore losers as assholes too, to be honest. I still feel Pistons were dirty. Sure, physical stuff happened but probability and frequency from the pistons was 10 x. I’m team Michael. Lol
there's no way to convince me that he was an A-Hole. So MJ is not calling him a A-hole he said he was an A-hole. Isaiah is just trying to spark something
David Falk is 100% responsible for the division between these two all-time greats.
Can you please expound on your comment for those who don't know the story about David Falk & the role he played in slanderizing Isiah Thomas name & causing a permanent riff between he & Michael Jordan.
This is the real reason nobody knows about. Please expound on the truth.
Thank You! Finally someone who knows the truth
Ur smart
MJ thought his words through when calling Isaiah Thomas an arse hole! He ain’t apologising.
Somebody need to share scripture with MJ. Because having a grudge and contempt with your brothers and sisters is going to lead you straight to hell with Satan and his minions. Pray for this man.
@X-ray someone needs to do that for Isaiah. He keeps MJ in his mouth to this day.....
Life is too short to keep grudges. People make mistakes and say stupid things they regret years later. Michael should learn that most people, even principled that seem faultless, at times fall.
He was jealousy on jordan .
Why would he be? He beat him more and has a winning record against him
@@mar-jax9341 beacuse iaiah was from.chicago and he never be popular there like jordan
It's a no brainer when it comes to this kind of thing. Good Sportsmanship would have had a totally different effect on Michael. You didn't want to give him the very thing he wanted the most. A passing of the torch handshake. Don't play like you suffered a sudden lapse in judgment. In the final analysis, you actually DID!
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Get over it!
I grew up in this era in Chicago... man I f'n hated the Pistons. What sucked about this was even though I hated them soo much, I respected Isiah. Great player, from Chicago, he's still in my top 5 all time PG's. But he lost it with the walk off then to say he didn't start it he just joined in... when he was the leader?
For the record Thomas doesn’t give a shit what MJ thinks
Bird and the celtics did the same, why isn't mj crying? Because it's bird?! maybe mj thinks zeke is the weakest among bird, magic and company
When they say. "maybe I was wrong", they know they're wrong.
I've always found humor in winners demanding humility from their vanquished opponents with a handshake moments after they just lost. It's kind of like a humiliation ritual disguised as "sportsmanship" or "honor"
Truly great champions aren't sociopaths that need to be congratulated by their rivals. Anyone that thinks the handshake was the reason for Jordans hate of Thomas is delusional, or a closet sociopath themselves. The bad blood between the two stems from multiple instances of jealousy from Thomas and Jordan both. You don't think MJ wasn't jealous of Thomas in the years leading up to him finally defeating the Bad Boys? They weren't just a thorn in his side they were by and far his greatest opponents. Jordan finally conquered it all yes, but those Pistons are one of the greatest teams ever over a 5 year span. Of course he was jealous of their success, he thought he deserved it more than them, and he was probably right, from his perspective
The Pistons are my favorite team and the Bad Boys my favorite era of my favorite team. Jordan was better than Zeke, but I like Zeke more. Doesn't mean I can't recognize the petty jealousy he had for Jordan becoming the favored son of Zeke's own hometown. Its petty and egotistical asf, but thats human flaw in full effect. Two peers whose ego's couldn't allow them to be humble toward the other one, thats called rivalry. Respect earned no love lost.
Media is at fault for continuing to inquire about the feelings they have for each other. Sure Zeke talks about the handshake or the dream team snub, but does anyone believe he just goes on podcasts and immediately brings up these issues without any sort of lead-in from a talking head? Remember who fans the flames ppl. It ain't these two. Its the commentators on shows and creators of videos that we watch on the subject. conflict=ratings, this is a trick media uses for ratings, clicks, views, etc. Politics, sports, music, hollywood etc. People like watching car crashes as long as it isn't happening to them.
In my opinion Isaiah Thomas twists and distorts situations to make himself look like the victim. Jordan's dislike of Thomas is a reaction of the Piston's bad deeds against the Bulls. The Pistons not only played physical.....they took it to a level that they are TRYING to injure the opposing players and that is malicious. Now I think Jordan could of forgiven that but what I think what made it more worse was that Isaiah Thomas (along with most of his teamates) REFUSED to shake hands with the Bulls in 1991 when they were swepted. Jordan was always decent enough to shake the Pistons hands in each of the 3 years prior when they lost to the Pistons....and when Jordan overcame them the Pistons refused to shake hands. To me that shows the Pistons were bad people. Isaiah tries to justifiy that by saying "The Celtics refused to shake our hands when we finally beat them".....but why did the Celtics ONLY refused to shake the Pistons hands in defeat and not other teams they got defeated by? I think it was a reaction to the Pistons malicious bad intentions style of play. You all see how Isaiah likes to twist and distort facts to HIS favor?
Isaiah is definitely a weasel. U can tell by his demeanor. And the way he conversates
I meet Isiah. He was all smiles with the camera on. As soon as it was off not very personal at all.
The leader of the team claiming he was just following everyone else. Yeah, right.
If smiles could talk. Right? Everybody knows who IT is, and it's the same for MJ. Come on man!