AP always impresses guys that like watches and gets their attention because they are looking at every guys wrist Rolex impresses more ladies and gents on first glance cause of its name recognition. The gold however might turn some people off because its seen as a little flashy.
+mguchi Yep. And guys Audemars Is very popular in the hip hop/rap circles, community. For OG's (original gangstas) and legit men. Rouleks will be flashy as fuck but still awesome. I feel gold is way too attention seeker, I want to be sleek. And thsoe who know watches will be mirring AP like hell. I yearn for those bros.
Rafael Reyes my friend has a hublot special addition Ferrari $51k, and we couldn’t even get a table at a busy crap restaurant! If he had a gold Rolex we would have got the next table
I work on AP on swiss, you can't compare a Rolex or an AP, it's really different. There is much more work on an AP, Rolex have classic shape, that's why Rolex is cheaper. (sorry for my bad english)
Thank you Elsa. Excellent comment regarding Rolex vs AP. We really appreciate it. If you have some time, please let Eric know what you think of the Richard Mille video.
Rolex makes about 1,000,000 watches/yr while AP only makes about 32,000. In the end, supply & demand always win out. Great video as usual, my friend. When I wear a Rolex, people comment. When I wear my RO, people who know are in awe.
I have owned both but not at the same time. The gold sub is more of a show off piece, but I like the royal oak offshore much better because its discreet and I can walk around knowing I'm wearing a holy trinity watch without gathering too much attention.
this was extremely accurate that it blows my mind, ive always loved watches and i have two rolexes, a daytona and a yacht master, but once i learned about audemars piguet and realized that level, it made me decide to buy one
I do prefer the AP more than the Rolex. Your point was right on and after collecting many Rolex’s, I finally got the AP Offshore rose gold. Such a beauty of a piece with a beautiful decorated movement!
It's interesting. I find the Audemars Piguet Offshore far better looking than a diver watch. I saw a guy wearing one recently on the subway, I noticed that he has a great watch immediately. Granted, I made a mistake at first thinking it was a Vacheron Constantin Overseas chronograph, but no, it was AP. It was big, prominent, in a good way. There's nothing quiet or discrete about this watch. Gold Rolex diver? Would fit Ron Jeremy quite well :)
CRM Jewelers Eric if you don't mind, can you please share the exact model number of the Audemars you referenced in this video? I would greatly appreciate it.
there is a lot of comments going are undo that AP charges about $3000 for a basic servicing. Given Rolex Charges about $1000 for a basic service thus significant difference needs to be mentioned for an informed decision Your thoughts?
I just love that this is an actual casual question for some people that they have to figure out in the everyday life lol, which $20,000 accessory to buy FIRST. It's incredible
+Mason Dyer It's really not that crazy. Keep in mind that some people see these pieces as more than just fashion accessories. They see them as an extension of their personality, similarly to how car guys see their cars. Also keep in mind that these watches hold their values tremendously well. Someone making just 100k/year could buy one of these for 15k, sell it 5 years later for say 12-13k, and have an amazing timepiece in the interim for just 2-3000 dollars, which is perfectly affordable for someone even just making a relatively low 100k salary. And if you are talking about say a doctor making ~250k, it's really not a significant expense at all, and most people really don't see doctors as that rich or high class.
Both are very good watches, I`d rather have another AP then Rolex, but in the end it`s a matter of personal preferences. Golden Rolex is definitely a noisy and "look at me I`m rich" watch, but sometimes this is what people are looking for when buying these. IMHO there is more taste and elegance in AP.
Audemars wins unanimous decision. Rolex is more commercial and famous. But ap watch is more exclusive. Everyone can buy one Rolex. But not everybody can buy one ap or vacheron, Patek, greubel, hyt. Etc.
I'm considering buying either the AP royal oak offshore solid rose or the 40mm day date platinum. I know they are two different wrist games so I'd like to know your pick on this.
Originally I was trying to pick between the Daytona platinum and the solid rose gold offshore with the rose bracelet, but since I already have a Daytona and my collection is not that big I don't think its logical to have two of the same models yet. And where I live Patek does not have a authorized dealer or I would have not even thought about this, so with all this said which one would you go for? Day Date 40mm platinum or the solid rose gold with the rose bracelet offshore Ref #26470OR.OO.1000OR.01?
I got the Royal Oak Offshore 42 mm Ref #26470OR.OO.1000OR.01. I am certain the Royal Oak movements are not in-house, however the offshore could be in-house. CRM Jewelers might know more on this topic. I was more into Rolex when I started buying watches but I'm slowly moving on other brands. For my next watch I might go for either a Patek or Vacheron. Only downfall to Patek for me is they don't have an authorized dealer in Iran, so for every service I have to take it to Dubai which is inconvenient.
+Daniel Morales I did not mention it because since both are superior brands. They both have superior movements. That goes with out saying. I did mention that AP is high maintenance. Thank You
+CRM Jewelers woh woh woh. Rolex movements are a polished turd. Yeah they work but nothing compares to a hand made movement. No comparison. Maybe if the video was to make a point about how much more expensive an AP is to a 2002-2004 rolex 16618 is, that would be a video. But comparing them to each other? No comparison. Compare it with with like a Vacheron overseas MAYBE, or the 5980 from Patek..... Man.
Ford invented the car, Benz the engine. Are they "the best" car now? So why are people arguing that AP is comparable to Rolex. You can have a Bugatti or Ferrari in Singapore or London, and you won't die if you have a decent Jaguar or Audi. The only difference are the looks, the sound, the quality of the build. Just respect both. Anyways Rolex did not invent anything, they are just the first to be "certified" on certain technologies, if you really have balls, get some patents like PP, AP on their manufacturing quality, materials, technologies. In my memory, no one I know, the 9 owners has ever went back into an AD once to repair anything on an AP, 20, 30 years into using it, not even when they forgot to send for lubrication or replace wear. They did for their Omegas, Rolex and IWCs
Great review. In my opinion, the best part is where you explain who would buy which watch for which reasons. A gold Rolex is more for people that want to show off, the AP for people that have the money but do not want to draw so much attention to it.
Patek best watch makers in the world. AP a very close second. Rolex too commercial these days in my opinion. Awesome review Eric, totally agree with all you said. Those in the know will always appreciate the AP over a Rolex
I have an Invicta 9937 and I'm truly proud of it, every time i look at it I'm just filled with a joy. Everyone thinks I'm dumb because of my fascination for watches but its more about being cultured an having a taste for the finer things in life, there is something about watches that is so captivating. I always find myself looking at peoples wrist more than i do their faces, there is just so much you can tell about a person by the watch they wear. I'm a middle class teenager so of course i cant afford one of this master pieces, but you have to start somewhere. One day i will though
Looked at an AP ROO today. Stunning piece on that made an impression no other piece has done in the past except one JLC. Pictures do not do them justice. It's true what Eric said, both Rolexes I have owned the novelty wore off very quickly.
Although I like the look of a gold Rolex, I hate drawing attention to myself. If I choose to wear gold, I prefer white gold. The Rolex Submariner is a beautiful watch, but I'd rather have it in SS. As to Audemars Piguet Royal Oak, unlike Rolex it's very costly to have serviced. It also seems to me that the AP lacks the robustness of a Rolex. Nice watch, though.
+Teachering I have heard the exact same things. Not a robust watch, and expensive to service. I just went in and tried an AP. Not something I'm licking my chops over. But we all know, that can change over time. I really want the Panerai, but have avoided it because it just doesn't seem as service oriented, or robust as Rolex. I do bump watches and go into water with them. It just didn't work for me, yet!
hey man, a quick question to you, you come over as a smart person so perhaps you can help me. I want to get my first luxury watch, I'm torn between omega seamaster 300 master co-axial and rolex oyster perpetual 39mm and the explorer 1 39mm. they all beautiful watch in my point of view ,but for as holding the money which schould I chose... I'm so confused about this. don't want to make a wrong desicion.
***** Thanks very much for your response. I currently own a Rolex and it is great. I wasn't very careful with the watch at all and it never has any problems. I also agree that the offshore series looks a little ridiculous..
***** I am also interested in your opinion on Vacheron Constantin's patrimony automatic. I want to get a dress watch, but can't decide whether I should go with Patek or VC.
I prefer the Royal Oak design over just about anything else. The octagonal bezel with the screws is the key to its appeal. I'm no fan of the funkier designs they've created with it though. Some are just ugly. A watch like this deserves an understated beauty that compliments it, not some tacky looking bling. In a perfect world, I'd match the bezel & strap of their new Perpetual Calendar black ceramic with the minimalist blue face of the 14790ST. Oh... and make it 36mm. Perfection never exists though.
Couldn't agree more, excellent!. I own three rolex watches (my wife has one, from these four two were bought from you guys) so my next purchase is definitely an AP RO blue or white dial not necessarily the chrono as long as is a RO, although the white gold Daytona is still a main target for me so then it comes the problem. Should I spend 16k in a RO or safe a little more and spend 25k in the Daytona??? Your advise is kindly appreciated.
Sorry Renato Recalde. We missed this comment. I apologize for the delay. Can you please forward this question to Eric at support@crmjewelers.com? Just copy and paste and let him know that you saw his video on TH-cam. Thank you so much for your comment.
CRM: By watching the video, I think you buy watches because of price and not about the technology used in making the watch. IDK if it's clear enough.Could someone educate me or us why APs are very expensive? Are APs good value or you're just paying for a brand?
The watches they make are of very good quality, but off course your paying for the brand as well. The watches sell for a fraction of the price it takes to manufacture one. Its kind of like a woman buying a diamond ring or necklace, its a bit of a head scratcher if you pose the question 'Is it good value.' Its about the fact that diamonds are rare, but a fake diamond on a ring will look comparable, they don't actually serve a practical purpose so its hard to say its a good value. Watches at that level are not just about telling time they are worn as jewellery although they do have a functional purpose. The most important thing is that the brand makes watches of a very high quality and your not paying for a substandard product but after that its all marketing and name. Tag Heuer has a reputation for making some of their watches to a substandard level and selling them for thousands.
Really not into the Offshores. If going RO it’s gotta be 39 or 41mm. Date, chrono, SS or PM it doesn’t matter. That said a gold sub is an iconic piece. Not the watch for formal attire, but a great sports watch.
Can anyone help me decide please I don't know whether to get a solid golf submariner or a two tone blue face submariner. I want to stand out with the watch however at the same time I don't want to seem too 'showy off', but I don't think the two tone would suit me can anyone help?
Okay, so I'd like to get your opinions since you guys seem to know watches. I'm having a hard time choosing between a Zenith Striking 10th or a Rolex Milgauss Blue dial Green crystal. Both are good, both look good... I just don't know. Which do you think is a more solid watch? I don't care too much about resale, as I don't plan on selling back any of the watches. This would be my first big purchase. I plan on buying at least two or three around this price if that changes the choice. Thank you!
Why not a Rolex Explorer II with date? instead of Milguass- by the way Rolex came out with the Milguass- during the cold war it supposedly can not become magnetized and a lot of doctors wear them! I just purchased the massive new Sea Dweller but I got a 10 inch wrist so it fits me and I love it. I replaced a plain Explorer.
Hey man. Enjoyed the vid. AP Royal Oak Chronograph is cool, yet understated. Could you do a comparison of that one with the Patek Aquanaut on rubber band?
We'll keep it in mind for future reviews erikmarius. The Richard Mille RM 11 will be the next review. We have a long list of requests. ;-) Thank you so much for your comment.
Timothy Goh The watch on the video is an AP Royal Oak Offshore Model #: SAFARI 26170st.oo.d091cr.01. It has a stainless steel bracelet that was purchased separately.
In my opinion, there are always two factors to any item you are collecting. There is the 'wow!' factor, which is apparent to everyone and anyone, and then there is the cool factor which only applies to people who know a lot about the item and it's history. To give a car example a brand new Lamborghini may have a pretty high wow factor and someone who knows nothing about cars will prefer it to a 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO every time. These people probably have no idea what Le Mans is though or the history of cars, their rarity, what they represented at the time... that is why the high end Lamborghini may go for $4 million while the old Ferrari goes for $60 million. I find that collectors who really love the items they are collecting and not just trying to impress people appreciate the cool factor far more, seeing as they have developed a fine appreciation for the items and they understand how significant their piece is. With watches it's pretty similar; someone who has money and class won't want the average person to know how much his watch is worth. I find that people are more impressed when you don't flaunt everything you have in the first five minutes of a conversation; there is no mystery that way. I admit women will probably be more impressed by a Rolex at first but if you get to know her and maybe one day she comes across an AP you were wearing and finds out it's worth 5 times as much as that other guys Rolex she will be more than intrigued. This is true for any asset or talent you may have; it also works well if you know a different language and just begin speaking it after a few months of knowing someone. It's all about the mystery and charm, and an AP has way more of that than a Rolex.
Rolex gold sub, rules...it’s classic from the 80’s until today! If you have ever been in Bimini and seen an 80 foot Viking sport fisher pull up ...with the owner wearing the 18k sub, on the wrist shining in the sun with blue water, it’s incredible
+Daniel Kirkpatrick That is correct. Mostly because my videos do not focus on the movements or the mechanics. There are plenty of other reviews out there about the inner workings. My reviews are more about the "Watch Game".
Ap is a scratch magnet. Why get a scratch magnet when you can have a ceramic rolex that never scratches and always looks new. Its a no brainer rolex all day every day.
"how can a steel watch be the same price as a gold rolex" IMO rolex is super tacky, and over rated, compare Audemars Piguet to Patek Philippe such as the Royal Oak vs Nautilus not AP to Rolex
I wouldn't say Rolex is tacky or overrated but they've had a lot and continue to have a heavy media presence. They are of quality and brilliant craftsmanship hence they lose less value on the pre-owned market. Plus their history 150 years plus is solid. There signature pieces are sort after in all decades but what I think tends to happen is that people who don't follow the watch market gravitate to Rolex as opposed to searching for a Rolex rival. It's like seeing everyone who don't know about headphones walking around with a pair of Dre Beats. The only thing with Dre Beats is that they are tacky, have no solid history and are overrated. !
well put, but as you say those people who don't follow the watch market who gravitate towards it, thats what kills it for me... but also in comparison i still don't feel AP and Rolex should be compared, perhaps compare a Rolex to an Omega (and i do prefer omega hehe) but even so AP is in a different class (or maybe I'm just too snobby? lol)
rahkee its funny how you point out the mistake of comparing AP and Rolex,then you make same mistake to put together Rolex and Omega, should we compare omega with Tudor? And I will take Tudor any day
Hi CRM Jewelers the only thing I feel you missed on this video is servicing costs, AP servicing is horrendously expensive compared to Rolex. that should always be a factor, especially in a second hand purchase.
You are right Matthew Hedges. It is more expensive to service AP than Rolex. That is why I mentioned on the video that the watch is really not for the inexperienced watch collector. Since we run a luxury watch store ourselves and have a lot of experience with high end watches, we never send the watch straight to AP for servicing, which is extremely expensive. We use watchmakers who have serviced these watches for over 30 years. At the end of the day, the quality of service is better and the servicing costs are a lot lower. Thank you so much for your comment.
If it was your first watch it would have been the Rolex.....you have to get to that point before you chose a stainless AP for your first watch. Rolex would keep it values well over the AP......just saying! Stick with Rolex or Patek......
I got a brand new 2-tone gold Sub last year, it was cool for a while but it does get tiresome, I then got a stainless no-date sub and I wear it every where and every day, it goes under the radar which is honestly what you want most of the time but it can still strike up a conversation if people notice it, much more wearable but if I'm visiting Abu Dhabi or Dubai or somewhere you know that the big gold beast gets let out of the stable
Erik I like your videos, you often hit the point but your tastes and advices are very limitated to america market. I am italian and here nobody, except a mafia godfather would wear a gold rolex sub at a wedding, it is very awful. Even the AP ROO is a bad choice for an elegant situation, maybe the normal AP RO slim could fit the situation but in my opion if we are talking about forma events you need a dress watch like JLC Reverso, JLC Master Control, Rolex Cellini in we want to stay with Rolex and many others that can range from few houndreds dollars to thousands. I wear a gold zenith stellina, manual wind, ultra slim on a very elegant lizard brown strap, it is cheap compared to these watches but i think it looks much more elegant. this is just my opionio. Good work bro
doesnt AP predate rolex by a good number of years? I'm pretty sure AP was started in the mid to late 1800s and rolex was founded in the early 1900s. if anything AP has a longer and more storied history than rolex
better is a subjective term... I have both a Rolex GMT and a AP Chrono.... the AP is by far the better time piece, but the Rolex is a more practical watch with more "bling" factor if that matters to anyone... I like both for different reasons but as far as "better" the AP would be my vote
Great Review! I agree with Eric, AP is a Step Up when it comes to The Watch Game. Rolex is still a well known Brand and can hold it's own depending on which model one purchases. At the End of the Day, It's whatever makes you Happy. Cheers, The Real Benny Blanco ;)
I also love the rose gold ROO. That watch is obviously in a higher level than the stainless steel AP I showed on the video. It is also very popular watch with a lot of our higher end clients.
A solid gold dive watch to a wedding?! Ugh. The rule is classy not flashy - a steel Calatrava or something of that sort would be more appropriate. There's all kinds of ways to impress someone, but something more substantive than what watch you wear is generally going to be needed, even among watch aficionados. Justin Bieber can wear a a $40,000 Hublot, but I have zero respect for him. Show me your character, not your watch.
Great video. I'm stuck between the sold gold GMT IIc black dial and the AP 15710 diver literally can't decide only hav etwo watches the now a Rolex GMT IIc in steel and two tone so the solid gold would complete the collection but also want to make the jump to AP. Decisions decisions
Well, they are both brands for flexers without their own taste who want to impress others, so its just that ap is more expensive and prestigeous, but other than that its the same stuff...
Great review!! Wanted to know why Breitling is losing its popularity..Just sold my gold Breitling Bentley watch for a big loss..Would you mind share your thought? still think Breitling looks good but not so much from watch people..
Rather than trying to decipher why Breitlings don't hold their value tommy jonas, what's important is to know that they don't. Other brands, such as Rolex, Patek Philippe, and AP, if purchased at an intelligent price, hold and increase their value over time. So if you're buying watches for investment purposes, you should stay away from Breitling. We have a few articles in our blog about investing in watches. We always try to educate clients into becoming intelligent watch investors. Thank you for your comment.
It depends on where you live. Example if you are from Asia rolex is way more known brand there and will get you more compliments etc I don't like the particular AP watch and i also think that the gold rolex with the blue face and the explorer 2 are both great watches and they are the only ones i would get from this brand AP is a more sophisticated brand for watch enthusiasts but i would go with the black face one
I have an AP Ro diver, I’ve changed to the above mentioned steel bracelet. It’s lost almost 40% in value if if if I sell it myself. 50% if I sell it to a dealer. My 20 year old half gold sub has gained value. I’ll have to keep the scratch magnet & use it twice a year & spend 2k servicing it every 5 years
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" some idiot will maybe think that it is a michael kors" lol
LOL
AP always impresses guys that like watches and gets their attention because they are looking at every guys wrist
Rolex impresses more ladies and gents on first glance cause of its name recognition.
The gold however might turn some people off because its seen as a little flashy.
This is the reason why I'm hesitating to buy it, I don't want to look like I'm being flashy but then I love the color combination with the blue :/
+mguchi Yep.
And guys Audemars Is very popular in the hip hop/rap circles, community. For OG's (original gangstas) and legit men.
Rouleks will be flashy as fuck but still awesome. I feel gold is way too attention seeker, I want to be sleek. And thsoe who know watches will be mirring AP like hell. I yearn for those bros.
+Doc MC If your really worried about the flash, have you looked at the white gold with a blue bezel?? Beautiful!
+twoweeled soto yeah, the current 116619 is a pretty solid choice. But quite heavy to wear.
Hublot gets the chick interested, it's the shit at the moment and they know about it big time
lol if you own a yacht you probably own both..
haha nice one.
Am PeddoBear you probably own hublot iced out watches and not that :D
Legend Gaming What?? Thats tacky. Probably a one that has a iced out hublot is just renting it.
I want a watch that screams "ROB ME I'M RICH" "PULL YOUR PANTIES DOWN I GOT MONEY" "YES ITS REAL". Not a watch that don't draw attention.
blackstersherron I have a AP and a hublot and chicks have no idea what they are 😂
Rafael Reyes at least you know that it costs more than their houses prolly 😂😂
I got a Seiko 5 and girls can't stop playing with their pussy's when they see it.. Seiko makes pussy's drip.
👍 you are not going to get that with an AP, especially not a stainless steel AP! Rolex drops the panties and gets you robbed!!!
Rafael Reyes my friend has a hublot special addition Ferrari $51k, and we couldn’t even get a table at a busy crap restaurant! If he had a gold Rolex we would have got the next table
A Gold Sub is so sweet and it says "I am here". The AP says "I know who I am". Both great watches.
+North1867 that is a great way to put it.
I work on AP on swiss, you can't compare a Rolex or an AP, it's really different. There is much more work on an AP, Rolex have classic shape, that's why Rolex is cheaper. (sorry for my bad english)
Thank you Elsa. Excellent comment regarding Rolex vs AP. We really appreciate it. If you have some time, please let Eric know what you think of the Richard Mille video.
Okay (sorry for my bad english)
LOL (sorry for my bad english, I'm french)
Elsa tu parles francais ou allmand? Je suis de la suisse Allmand.
Rolex makes about 1,000,000 watches/yr while AP only makes about 32,000. In the end, supply & demand always win out. Great video as usual, my friend. When I wear a Rolex, people comment. When I wear my RO, people who know are in awe.
Great way to put it. Thank you for the comment.
I am a sucker for a white dial so have to go with AP.
The Gold Sub is showing off (nothing wrong with that) that steel AP is more subtle.
I have owned both but not at the same time. The gold sub is more of a show off piece, but I like the royal oak offshore much better because its discreet and I can walk around knowing I'm wearing a holy trinity watch without gathering too much attention.
My sentiments exactly when it comes to the gold Rolex vs the AP
LOL "Holy Trinity Watch" I like that. ; )
this was extremely accurate that it blows my mind, ive always loved watches and i have two rolexes, a daytona and a yacht master, but once i learned about audemars piguet and realized that level, it made me decide to buy one
Awesome video Eric. I agree, I prefer the SS AP when I want to lay low and still be stylish.
I do prefer the AP more than the Rolex. Your point was right on and after collecting many Rolex’s, I finally got the AP Offshore rose gold. Such a beauty of a piece with a beautiful decorated movement!
It's interesting. I find the Audemars Piguet Offshore far better looking than a diver watch. I saw a guy wearing one recently on the subway, I noticed that he has a great watch immediately. Granted, I made a mistake at first thinking it was a Vacheron Constantin Overseas chronograph, but no, it was AP. It was big, prominent, in a good way. There's nothing quiet or discrete about this watch.
Gold Rolex diver? Would fit Ron Jeremy quite well :)
Thanks Eric, excellent videos, I prefer AP.
Thank you Lady Harriet, so do I.
CRM Jewelers Eric if you don't mind, can you please share the exact model number of the Audemars you referenced in this video? I would greatly appreciate it.
hello sir!which one has the better movement? Rolex or AP?which one is more expensive for Revision? when i bring it to the shop to repair the watch!
+ultimate nutrition AP on both.
Thank you very much for the fast answer!!! I look always your channel when i Need good informations!!! sorry for my bad endlish!!!
when would you bring AP to the Revision? somebody told me! Rolex can live without Revision for 10 years! what is your tought about AP?
u could not be more right .. Ap is the next level
Fabio Castro Yeah the next level at breaking down. Overpriced, over rated flaky crap.
Eric, your reviews are simply fantastic...I never get tired of watching them!!
+Roberto Persico thank you for watching!!
+CRM Jewelers Will you do a "Smurf" white gold rolex submariner review?
there is a lot of comments going are undo that AP charges about $3000 for a basic servicing. Given Rolex Charges about $1000 for a basic service thus significant difference needs to be mentioned for an informed decision Your thoughts?
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With a lot of over time I ended up picking the AP Royal Oak Stainless. I'm very happy with my purchase I got it used at a good price.
I just love that this is an actual casual question for some people that they have to figure out in the everyday life lol, which $20,000 accessory to buy FIRST. It's incredible
Mason Dyer once you get to the next level in life you unlock more style options
+Mason Dyer It's really not that crazy. Keep in mind that some people see these pieces as more than just fashion accessories. They see them as an extension of their personality, similarly to how car guys see their cars. Also keep in mind that these watches hold their values tremendously well. Someone making just 100k/year could buy one of these for 15k, sell it 5 years later for say 12-13k, and have an amazing timepiece in the interim for just 2-3000 dollars, which is perfectly affordable for someone even just making a relatively low 100k salary. And if you are talking about say a doctor making ~250k, it's really not a significant expense at all, and most people really don't see doctors as that rich or high class.
Both are very good watches, I`d rather have another AP then Rolex, but in the end it`s a matter of personal preferences. Golden Rolex is definitely a noisy and "look at me I`m rich" watch, but sometimes this is what people are looking for when buying these. IMHO there is more taste and elegance in AP.
+Володимир Когут I agree!
Audemars wins unanimous decision. Rolex is more commercial and famous. But ap watch is more exclusive. Everyone can buy one Rolex. But not everybody can buy one ap or vacheron, Patek, greubel, hyt. Etc.
Thank you for your comment. I agree with you regarding the Audemars Piguet brand.
I'm considering buying either the AP royal oak offshore solid rose or the 40mm day date platinum. I know they are two different wrist games so I'd like to know your pick on this.
Originally I was trying to pick between the Daytona platinum and the solid rose gold offshore with the rose bracelet, but since I already have a Daytona and my collection is not that big I don't think its logical to have two of the same models yet. And where I live Patek does not have a authorized dealer or I would have not even thought about this, so with all this said which one would you go for? Day Date 40mm platinum or the solid rose gold with the rose bracelet offshore Ref #26470OR.OO.1000OR.01?
I would go with the AP rose gold. Ultimately the AP royal oak chrono 41mm
Got the AP yesterday and I am left speechless.
I got the Royal Oak Offshore 42 mm Ref #26470OR.OO.1000OR.01. I am certain the Royal Oak movements are not in-house, however the offshore could be in-house. CRM Jewelers might know more on this topic. I was more into Rolex when I started buying watches but I'm slowly moving on other brands. For my next watch I might go for either a Patek or Vacheron. Only downfall to Patek for me is they don't have an authorized dealer in Iran, so for every service I have to take it to Dubai which is inconvenient.
He didn't mention any actual internals of the watch and why it's worth what it is.
+Daniel Morales I did not mention it because since both are superior brands. They both have superior movements. That goes with out saying. I did mention that AP is high maintenance. Thank You
+CRM Jewelers woh woh woh. Rolex movements are a polished turd. Yeah they work but nothing compares to a hand made movement. No comparison. Maybe if the video was to make a point about how much more expensive an AP is to a 2002-2004 rolex 16618 is, that would be a video. But comparing them to each other? No comparison. Compare it with with like a Vacheron overseas MAYBE, or the 5980 from Patek..... Man.
Ford invented the car, Benz the engine. Are they "the best" car now? So why are people arguing that AP is comparable to Rolex. You can have a Bugatti or Ferrari in Singapore or London, and you won't die if you have a decent Jaguar or Audi. The only difference are the looks, the sound, the quality of the build. Just respect both. Anyways Rolex did not invent anything, they are just the first to be "certified" on certain technologies, if you really have balls, get some patents like PP, AP on their manufacturing quality, materials, technologies.
In my memory, no one I know, the 9 owners has ever went back into an AD once to repair anything on an AP, 20, 30 years into using it, not even when they forgot to send for lubrication or replace wear. They did for their Omegas, Rolex and IWCs
Awesome comment. Really appreciate it. I have and wear both brands proudly without whining so much which one is better. I guess everyone is different.
yeah Hamilton were really pioneers of mass production and finishing, Rolex perfected it.
Great review. In my opinion, the best part is where you explain who would buy which watch for which reasons. A gold Rolex is more for people that want to show off, the AP for people that have the money but do not want to draw so much attention to it.
Correct.
today is AP the biggest show off brands from the watch industry. what a overhyped watch
Patek best watch makers in the world. AP a very close second. Rolex too commercial these days in my opinion. Awesome review Eric, totally agree with all you said. Those in the know will always appreciate the AP over a Rolex
+Adam Foley very very true.
AP is for the smart.
Rolex for the flash.
Great way to say it.
both are for the rich
I have an Invicta 9937 and I'm truly proud of it, every time i look at it I'm just filled with a joy. Everyone thinks I'm dumb because of my fascination for watches but its more about being cultured an having a taste for the finer things in life, there is something about watches that is so captivating. I always find myself looking at peoples wrist more than i do their faces, there is just so much you can tell about a person by the watch they wear. I'm a middle class teenager so of course i cant afford one of this master pieces, but you have to start somewhere. One day i will though
I like your attitude. Stay positive and focused. Thank you for your comment and for watching our video.
CRM Jewelers
thank you i appreciate your words an keep the great videos coming.
Looked at an AP ROO today. Stunning piece on that made an impression no other piece has done in the past except one JLC. Pictures do not do them justice. It's true what Eric said, both Rolexes I have owned the novelty wore off very quickly.
Rolex is solid. But AP is much more cooler.
I have both and enjoy them both equally. But I prefer white gold on a Rolex for a bit of stealth.
2 different segments, levels, AP is high luxury brand while rolex is mid luxury where it sits next to breitling, omega and many others.
Partially correct. AP is above Rolex. But Rolex is above Omega, Breitling. Thanks for commenting
what makes you think Omega and Breitling below Rolex? beside me , all of 3 brands sorted in the same level, mid luxury watch brands from Swiss...
+Burak Akpinar Brand Status and Resale
In the market.
@@burako82 You are dreaming...wakeup
i'd take a Patek Philippe Calatrava if i wanted a gold watch
+farhanorakzai Yeah man. Thats is the beauty of it. There is a watch for everyone.
I know someone that has a Patek Phillipe and he founded he went to try to sell it they said you have to have proof that you owned it. Is this true?
The ap brick is the most flashiest
Erik, what brand is that polo shirt from?
Although I like the look of a gold Rolex, I hate drawing attention to myself. If I choose to wear gold, I prefer white gold. The Rolex Submariner is a beautiful watch, but I'd rather have it in SS. As to Audemars Piguet Royal Oak, unlike Rolex it's very costly to have serviced. It also seems to me that the AP lacks the robustness of a Rolex. Nice watch, though.
+Teachering I have heard the exact same things. Not a robust watch, and expensive to service. I just went in and tried an AP. Not something I'm licking my chops over. But we all know, that can change over time. I really want the Panerai, but have avoided it because it just doesn't seem as service oriented, or robust as Rolex. I do bump watches and go into water with them. It just didn't work for me, yet!
To me rolex is just sooo freaking beautiful! I love their designs, quality, and tradition.
+thepersianlion It's always a great choice.
hey man, a quick question to you, you come over as a smart person so perhaps you can help me. I want to get my first luxury watch, I'm torn between omega seamaster 300 master co-axial and rolex oyster perpetual 39mm and the explorer 1 39mm. they all beautiful watch in my point of view ,but for as holding the money which schould I chose... I'm so confused about this. don't want to make a wrong desicion.
+malawi tank The Rolex 39mm is a way better investment. Don't even think twice.
+CRM Jewelers thanks for the fast response! !!
Can you compare a Daytona and a Royal oak 41mm
Great video. Are AP watches as reliable as Rolex's?
Yes Darth, remember that Audemars Piguet is actually older than Rolex.
CRM Jewelers
Thanks. I understand that AP is an older brand, I am just wondering if AP watches are more delicate and prone to mechanical problems.
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Thanks very much for your response. I currently own a Rolex and it is great. I wasn't very careful with the watch at all and it never has any problems. I also agree that the offshore series looks a little ridiculous..
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I am also interested in your opinion on Vacheron Constantin's patrimony automatic. I want to get a dress watch, but can't decide whether I should go with Patek or VC.
***** excellent comment!
I prefer the Royal Oak design over just about anything else. The octagonal bezel with the screws is the key to its appeal. I'm no fan of the funkier designs they've created with it though. Some are just ugly. A watch like this deserves an understated beauty that compliments it, not some tacky looking bling. In a perfect world, I'd match the bezel & strap of their new Perpetual Calendar black ceramic with the minimalist blue face of the 14790ST. Oh... and make it 36mm. Perfection never exists though.
Which one between PP 5711 and the AP 15400?
AP
Couldn't agree more, excellent!. I own three rolex watches (my wife has one, from these four two were bought from you guys) so my next purchase is definitely an AP RO blue or white dial not necessarily the chrono as long as is a RO, although the white gold Daytona is still a main target for me so then it comes the problem. Should I spend 16k in a RO or safe a little more and spend 25k in the Daytona??? Your advise is kindly appreciated.
Sorry Renato Recalde. We missed this comment. I apologize for the delay. Can you please forward this question to Eric at support@crmjewelers.com? Just copy and paste and let him know that you saw his video on TH-cam. Thank you so much for your comment.
Cheers fr the video.
The AP just oozes style.
Thank you Andrew. I'm glad you like our AP video.
I was thinking of a way to describe the AP but couldn't vocalize my thoughts. You vocalized my thoughts perfectly! It literally does ooze style haha!
It's a no brainer..AP of course.
I'd pick the AP, my overall goal watch is definitely a Patek Phillipe Nautilis in rose gold, good stuff Eric
CRM: By watching the video, I think you buy watches because of price and not about the technology used in making the watch. IDK if it's clear enough.Could someone educate me or us why APs are very expensive? Are APs good value or you're just paying for a brand?
The watches they make are of very good quality, but off course your paying for the brand as well. The watches sell for a fraction of the price it takes to manufacture one. Its kind of like a woman buying a diamond ring or necklace, its a bit of a head scratcher if you pose the question 'Is it good value.' Its about the fact that diamonds are rare, but a fake diamond on a ring will look comparable, they don't actually serve a practical purpose so its hard to say its a good value. Watches at that level are not just about telling time they are worn as jewellery although they do have a functional purpose. The most important thing is that the brand makes watches of a very high quality and your not paying for a substandard product but after that its all marketing and name. Tag Heuer has a reputation for making some of their watches to a substandard level and selling them for thousands.
I like the AP. It looks awesome. Great review!
Really not into the Offshores. If going RO it’s gotta be 39 or 41mm. Date, chrono, SS or PM it doesn’t matter. That said a gold sub is an iconic piece. Not the watch for formal attire, but a great sports watch.
AP hands down. A no brainer fopr me. A gold watch is only beautiful when it is white gold imho.
Hey I saw an ap and I had a question does the ap have a sweeping a hand movement or tick tock .
Because that ap I saw had a tick tock movement.
+nirnay pradhan Tick Tock is a bad sign.
Can anyone help me decide please I don't know whether to get a solid golf submariner or a two tone blue face submariner. I want to stand out with the watch however at the same time I don't want to seem too 'showy off', but I don't think the two tone would suit me can anyone help?
Call Eric at the store and he'll help you tackle this question. 305-349-5000. Thank you for your comment.
+CRM Jewelers okay thank you
+Sebby B You're welcome. Anytime
AP is way better in looks, functionality and movement. AP all day.
A big welcome to another AP fan! Thank you keeprocknrollalive03 for commenting on our video. We really appreciate it.
Nice videos matey, loving the AP.
I really like the Rolex sky dweller but after seeing the AP a few times its starting to grow on me
+gibysgb lol, that happens a lot
Okay, so I'd like to get your opinions since you guys seem to know watches. I'm having a hard time choosing between a Zenith Striking 10th or a Rolex Milgauss Blue dial Green crystal.
Both are good, both look good... I just don't know.
Which do you think is a more solid watch? I don't care too much about resale, as I don't plan on selling back any of the watches.
This would be my first big purchase. I plan on buying at least two or three around this price if that changes the choice. Thank you!
+IIKiboshII Rolex in the long run will be better in every aspect.
Why not a Rolex Explorer II with date? instead of Milguass- by the way Rolex came out with the Milguass- during the cold war it supposedly can not become magnetized and a lot of doctors wear them! I just purchased the massive new Sea Dweller but I got a 10 inch wrist so it fits me and I love it. I replaced a plain Explorer.
Hey man. Enjoyed the vid. AP Royal Oak Chronograph is cool, yet understated. Could you do a comparison of that one with the Patek Aquanaut on rubber band?
We'll keep it in mind for future reviews erikmarius. The Richard Mille RM 11 will be the next review. We have a long list of requests. ;-) Thank you so much for your comment.
hey CRM Jewelers what is the reference model number for that AP?
Timothy Goh The watch on the video is an AP Royal Oak Offshore Model #: SAFARI 26170st.oo.d091cr.01. It has a stainless steel bracelet that was purchased separately.
In my opinion, there are always two factors to any item you are collecting. There is the 'wow!' factor, which is apparent to everyone and anyone, and then there is the cool factor which only applies to people who know a lot about the item and it's history. To give a car example a brand new Lamborghini may have a pretty high wow factor and someone who knows nothing about cars will prefer it to a 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO every time. These people probably have no idea what Le Mans is though or the history of cars, their rarity, what they represented at the time... that is why the high end Lamborghini may go for $4 million while the old Ferrari goes for $60 million. I find that collectors who really love the items they are collecting and not just trying to impress people appreciate the cool factor far more, seeing as they have developed a fine appreciation for the items and they understand how significant their piece is. With watches it's pretty similar; someone who has money and class won't want the average person to know how much his watch is worth. I find that people are more impressed when you don't flaunt everything you have in the first five minutes of a conversation; there is no mystery that way. I admit women will probably be more impressed by a Rolex at first but if you get to know her and maybe one day she comes across an AP you were wearing and finds out it's worth 5 times as much as that other guys Rolex she will be more than intrigued. This is true for any asset or talent you may have; it also works well if you know a different language and just begin speaking it after a few months of knowing someone. It's all about the mystery and charm, and an AP has way more of that than a Rolex.
Thanks for the Response. I would take the 1962 250 GTO any day. Everything that you said applies.
CRM Jewelers dose a Royal jumbo have a better resale value comparing to steel daytona?
nim nim parvin, yes, Royal Oak jumbos are not easy to find and they're very sought after.
thank you
Rolex gold sub, rules...it’s classic from the 80’s until today! If you have ever been in Bimini and seen an 80 foot Viking sport fisher pull up ...with the owner wearing the 18k sub, on the wrist shining in the sun with blue water, it’s incredible
You've got two of the best sport watches of all time and not even one mention of either of their movements.
+Daniel Kirkpatrick That is correct. Mostly because my videos do not focus on the movements or the mechanics. There are plenty of other reviews out there about the inner workings. My reviews are more about the "Watch Game".
Holy Trinity : Audemars Piguet, Patek Philippe, Vacheron Constantin
I already bought a AP Royal Oak Offshore all black with rubber straps...
Ap is a scratch magnet. Why get a scratch magnet when you can have a ceramic rolex that never scratches and always looks new. Its a no brainer rolex all day every day.
Eric, what's the brand of the t-shirt with the hare that you always wear in a few videos ?
Psycho Bunny
"how can a steel watch be the same price as a gold rolex" IMO rolex is super tacky, and over rated, compare Audemars Piguet to Patek Philippe such as the Royal Oak vs Nautilus not AP to Rolex
I wouldn't say Rolex is tacky or overrated but they've had a lot and continue to have a heavy media presence. They are of quality and brilliant craftsmanship hence they lose less value on the pre-owned market. Plus their history 150 years plus is solid. There signature pieces are sort after in all decades but what I think tends to happen is that people who don't follow the watch market gravitate to Rolex as opposed to searching for a Rolex rival. It's like seeing everyone who don't know about headphones walking around with a pair of Dre Beats. The only thing with Dre Beats is that they are tacky, have no solid history and are overrated. !
AP name their price and people keep paying for it...can choose not to
well put, but as you say those people who don't follow the watch market who gravitate towards it, thats what kills it for me... but also in comparison i still don't feel AP and Rolex should be compared, perhaps compare a Rolex to an Omega (and i do prefer omega hehe) but even so AP is in a different class (or maybe I'm just too snobby? lol)
+rahkee to each his own they say
rahkee its funny how you point out the mistake of comparing AP and Rolex,then you make same mistake to put together Rolex and Omega, should we compare omega with Tudor? And I will take Tudor any day
Eric, what happened to your trusted sunglasses?
BRO, WHAT IS PRICE OF THE NEW ROLEX SUB GOLD BLACK AT ROLEX BOUTIQUE?
+Muhammad Habibi $33k i believe
U stole archieluxurys gold rolex
Huh?
True! LoL
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RESPECTOS!
Hi CRM Jewelers the only thing I feel you missed on this video is servicing costs, AP servicing is horrendously expensive compared to Rolex. that should always be a factor, especially in a second hand purchase.
You are right Matthew Hedges. It is more expensive to service AP than Rolex. That is why I mentioned on the video that the watch is really not for the inexperienced watch collector. Since we run a luxury watch store ourselves and have a lot of experience with high end watches, we never send the watch straight to AP for servicing, which is extremely expensive. We use watchmakers who have serviced these watches for over 30 years. At the end of the day, the quality of service is better and the servicing costs are a lot lower. Thank you so much for your comment.
If it was your first watch it would have been the Rolex.....you have to get to that point before you chose a stainless AP for your first watch. Rolex would keep it values well over the AP......just saying! Stick with Rolex or Patek......
I agree with you Mike Brown. Thank you so much for your comment.
+CRM Jewelers : Don't your agree that the AP ROO 2015 is too top heavy ?
+SkyDance Hero Yes the AP tends to be top Heavy.
I got a brand new 2-tone gold Sub last year, it was cool for a while but it does get tiresome, I then got a stainless no-date sub and I wear it every where and every day, it goes under the radar which is honestly what you want most of the time but it can still strike up a conversation if people notice it, much more wearable but if I'm visiting Abu Dhabi or Dubai or somewhere you know that the big gold beast gets let out of the stable
Both Subs are nice pieces. Thank you for your comments.
SlopedOtter Mhh share a piece of how we can get there xD while im here spending money on 100$ watches lol
Erik I like your videos, you often hit the point but your tastes and advices are very limitated to america market. I am italian and here nobody, except a mafia godfather would wear a gold rolex sub at a wedding, it is very awful. Even the AP ROO is a bad choice for an elegant situation, maybe the normal AP RO slim could fit the situation but in my opion if we are talking about forma events you need a dress watch like JLC Reverso, JLC Master Control, Rolex Cellini in we want to stay with Rolex and many others that can range from few houndreds dollars to thousands. I wear a gold zenith stellina, manual wind, ultra slim on a very elegant lizard brown strap, it is cheap compared to these watches but i think it looks much more elegant. this is just my opionio. Good work bro
doesnt AP predate rolex by a good number of years? I'm pretty sure AP was started in the mid to late 1800s and rolex was founded in the early 1900s. if anything AP has a longer and more storied history than rolex
Why Eric left CRM?
He wanted to go independent
I will go with the AP without hesitating any second. For me Rolex is like Ferrari, AP is like Aston Martin.
There you go.
Wow. Now I know why he wears his sunglasses all the time. That seems to be his super power.
in reality 99.99% of all human will say your stupid if you will sell them that AP at 15K USD.
Cloud you do a review of the Offshore perpetual calendar chronograph?
That would be a great time for me.
They are a bit hard to come by. There are a few for sale on chrono24, but usually they're priced way too high.
I just got one!
better is a subjective term... I have both a Rolex GMT and a AP Chrono.... the AP is by far the better time piece, but the Rolex is a more practical watch with more "bling" factor if that matters to anyone... I like both for different reasons but as far as "better" the AP would be my vote
+Sam Samaha that is correct. They are both great watches but have different uses.
Great Review! I agree with Eric, AP is a Step Up when it comes to The Watch Game.
Rolex is still a well known Brand and can hold it's own depending on which model one purchases.
At the End of the Day, It's whatever makes you Happy.
Cheers,
The Real Benny Blanco ;)
Hey Benny. Thank you for your comment.
thanks....learning and looking forard to my first AP
Thats the idea.
debating which to get out of these two
Thank you for your video! What can you say about AP ROO Rose gold? I understand it is different price range but I really like them
I also love the rose gold ROO. That watch is obviously in a higher level than the stainless steel AP I showed on the video. It is also very popular watch with a lot of our higher end clients.
CRM Jewelers thank you for your reply! your info is very useful. I am your follower on IG as well. Going to be your customer asap
Awesome Dimitri. Were here to help. Thank you for the support.
You can buy a Zenith xtreme for like $80k and it looks like a $30 watch.
A solid gold dive watch to a wedding?! Ugh. The rule is classy not flashy - a steel Calatrava or something of that sort would be more appropriate.
There's all kinds of ways to impress someone, but something more substantive than what watch you wear is generally going to be needed, even among watch aficionados. Justin Bieber can wear a a $40,000 Hublot, but I have zero respect for him. Show me your character, not your watch.
Andy Davie
it depends on how you wear it.
I wear my Rolex with a suit on occasion.
Andy Davie Hmm gold watch to a wedding... 5980R Patek or a ALS Zeitwerk in WG/PT/YG.
Finally someone with some sense! I cringe each time I see someone wear a sport/tool watch with formal attire- absolutely horrendous.
Andy Davie you do realize there is no such thing as a 'steel' calatrava
Oh true true 👍🏻👍🏻
AP looks like a bloody stop sign
Great video. I'm stuck between the sold gold GMT IIc black dial and the AP 15710 diver literally can't decide only hav etwo watches the now a Rolex GMT IIc in steel and two tone so the solid gold would complete the collection but also want to make the jump to AP. Decisions decisions
Well, they are both brands for flexers without their own taste who want to impress others, so its just that ap is more expensive and prestigeous, but other than that its the same stuff...
Simply put: AP - Not Your Average Watch Wearer. I'd pick the 3126 over the 3135 movt any day.
+Justin Carter Its really for the experienced watch enthusiast.
Great review!! Wanted to know why Breitling is losing its popularity..Just sold my gold Breitling Bentley watch for a big loss..Would you mind share your thought? still think Breitling looks good but not so much from watch people..
Rather than trying to decipher why Breitlings don't hold their value tommy jonas, what's important is to know that they don't. Other brands, such as Rolex, Patek Philippe, and AP, if purchased at an intelligent price, hold and increase their value over time. So if you're buying watches for investment purposes, you should stay away from Breitling. We have a few articles in our blog about investing in watches. We always try to educate clients into becoming intelligent watch investors. Thank you for your comment.
How about AP ROO vs YachtMaster II? Which would hold value?
Really, anything can be compared to Rolex, they beat everything
Can you do a video for PANERAI VS ROLEX SUB, GMT II with about the same prices?
AP should use the Rolex 904L steel for their watches ;-)
It depends on where you live.
Example if you are from Asia rolex is way more known brand there and will get you more compliments etc
I don't like the particular AP watch and i also think that the gold rolex with the blue face and the explorer 2 are both great watches and they are the only ones i would get from this brand
AP is a more sophisticated brand for watch enthusiasts but i would go with the black face one
I have an AP Ro diver, I’ve changed to the above mentioned steel bracelet. It’s lost almost 40% in value if if if I sell it myself. 50% if I sell it to a dealer. My 20 year old half gold sub has gained value. I’ll have to keep the scratch magnet & use it twice a year & spend 2k servicing it every 5 years