Lance Stroll is Starting to Become a Problem for Aston Martin
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One narrative I hate about Stroll is "look at how much he's improved since 2017". He spent 6 seasons in F1. Other drivers don't get that time. Most would have improved a lot after 6 years too
I agree. Look at Charles and George. First season in Ferrari and Mercedes.
And no matter the reason, defeated Seb and Lewis. And are continuing to match and occasionally outperform Lewis in George’s case.
@@gameofender4463 What's your point?
@@NavF1 That in less time than Stroll’s had. George and Charles have stepped up/improved way more than Lance has.
If nothing he just got worse stat wise...2017 says his podium was just luck and car spesific... because that williams was fast on straights,i think he can do good 1/10 races,but still compared to alonso even his highlights are mid...so yeah,i dont see him leave tho
I second this because look at Albon. He was dumped so quickly and only because he got to come back we now see what he can do.
Counterpoint: Stroll performing badly means that Aston could finish 4th in the WCC standings, giving them even more wind tunnel time. Masterclass.
Bold of you to think Ferrari can get 3rd!
@@alvarorey9308 They have a lot of time to turn this season around.
@@KayJblue This is Ferrari we are talking about! The only thing that's turning around is the car when it spins.
Let them cook.
ferrari almost succeded by waiting the rain on monaco, then they realized was actually smart so they decided to swap tyres 5 min before rain in a circuit where you cant pass people with broken wings
I would be very interested to see a video taking Stroll head to head to Ocon seeing as they both have been in formula since the same year. Ocon has quite frankly schooled Stroll with a proper head to head based solely on the cold hard data. And lets not forget Ocon was forced to the sidelines for a year thanks to Stroll as well.
It was sad.. Vijay Mallya really liked Ocon, but he got into some shit and bang, the nepotism kicks in.
Ironic because Ocon and Stroll are good friends, imagine how Ocon must've felt having his seat taken by his less talented nepo baby friend.
@@karussoul Ocon has recently admitted that it was never part of his long-term plan to stay at Force India. Stroll buying that seat just forced his early exit if anything. It all worked out for Ocon though, he's very lucky to have Toto as his manager.
@@liukin95 Ocon did lose some momentum because of it though.. who knows where Ocon would've been had he stay for 2019?
If he kept up his 2018 form (16-5 quali and 9-5 race against Perez).. he might even get the Red Bull seat, or Toto might even choose him over Russell to replace Bottas.
@karussoul McLaren were interested in partnering him with Lando in 2019, but ultimately didn't like Mercedes' control over him
nah they both pretty even. 3 podiums. 1 pole vs 1 win and both owned by Alonso
The goal for a normal F1 team is to score the most points. However, that is NOT the goal of Big Stroll. His goal is to give his son the maximum learning curve and hires the best drives he can get to put next to his son. Hoping they rub something off on him. So, in this team Stroll jr. will never kicked out. He will always have a seat. It is not about branding, not about world titles. It is just about Stroll Jr. If you see the team that way you understand it better.
No point rubbing shoulders with likes of alonso when lance is no where near his ability. Look at all the data etc you want... won't change a thing.
Id imagine he d look at that data and think...nope...can't do that...
This is a severe misunderstanding of Lawrence Strolls goals and ambitions but I am not gonna explain for him or defend him, that's for his actions to show. Every time Lawrence proves people wrong and he'll do it again I am sure.
I don’t think it’s fair to say he doesn’t care about branding, otherwise he wouldn’t have hired superstars like Seb and Fernando + dumped a ton of money into upgrading facilities and hiring ex-Red Bull personnel.
He clearly cares about *LOOKING* good on the surface and genuinely wants to win races I believe, but obviously not at the expense of booting his son
@@NewscasterNews4 Well put. That's my read of the situation. And I can't blame him too much. I'd do the same for my son if I was super rich.
Not really lmao. He's been teamed with perez, vettel and alonso and he's still shit
as someone who wants stroll to succeed, I couldn't agree more
I do too. But he can’t be counted on anymore to help defeat Mercedes.
I didn't like him for the first 4 years in his f1 career, but gradually I been rooting for stroll to do better and hope that he can prove the doubters wrong.
In fact Stroll performs better in the last two years when Vettel was his teammate for reasons. Stroll was decent and Vettel was great. But this year Stroll is really bad and Alonso was nearly perfect until now.
@@nomadic98 I used to root for him and I have always thought he was alright, never got the hate for him watching him come up through feeder but I am not sure he has the chops to get it done in a top team. I still think he's a capable racer, just not top tier and now his immediate competitors are top tier or there abouts, he's getting really exposed.
I don't want to see him succeed or fail but alonso is spanking him rn and if daddy didn't buy a team he wouldn't have a seat anymore
I'm telling you right now, it's only going to get worse for Stroll. As Alonso keeps delivering stellar performances the pressure will start to break him over time.
God knows how many quality drivers have missed out on a seat because of this guy.
But it’s a good team because of his dad
@@mclark23 And now it's a team that's going to finish fourth instead of second because of his dad
A reminder that the most dominant champion in F1 history is stuck as a reserve driver to Stroll
only one because the good one would have stayed in f1
@@rewp234 who is this, Drugovich?
Imagine Fernando and Seb in that car. How good would that be😢
Easy top 2 in the constructors
Plz, hush, I've been dreaming of that way too much it stings
Seb wouldn't do anything in this aston martin. He was basically equal to stroll last year
@aldogjipali2835 bc last year's AM was a tractor, this year he'd be up front like - oh wait did you watched the video or? Bc this specific point is addressed. If you choose to ignore it just say it, will save time
@@aldogjipali2835 seb at the end of last season was on fire, he would still be slower than alonso but much better than stroll
I think part of the reason Stroll was closer to Vettel is the car wasn’t as capable as the current car. So even if you drive it to its maximum you’re only going to go so much faster than driving it a bit below its potential. Now that they have a car when driven to its limits is very fast Stroll’s shortcomings are becoming increasingly glaring.
What kind of logic is that? I do not understand this. Drivers always want to deliver, whether they are in a good or a bad car. Look at Yuki now, Alonso in the Mclaren Honda years, or Kubica in the Williams in 2019 and the list could go on and on and on. The real reason Stroll was closer to Vettel than Alonso, is because Vettel is not as good as Alonso, and never has been on his or Lewis’ level. Without any doubt, and people should have the objectiveness and honesty to look at the facts simple, do not bring this and that to the topic. Vettel made Stroll good, a very decent driver ( which he is ), but next to Alonso (at 41!!) Stroll looks like Latifi. Alonso has over 3x the points of Stroll in just 6-7 races..
@@kovarikristof3754 what he means is that if stroll had a horrible weekend it may not have mattered since the am could still not have been able to finish in the points and seb would gain nothing from finishing far in front of him
@@kovarikristof3754 vettel is better than alonso would ever wish to be
@@Christzo18 yeah, but still, stroll finished in front of Vettel quite regularly.
Against Alfonso, its 6-0 in quali and 6-0 in races
@@Christzo18 What suggests you that? Lewis said Alonso is the toughest, fastest and most talented driver he ever faced. Jenson said Alonso is even more complete than Lewis. Felipe said he is equal to Schumacher. Most drivers and team principles during Seb’s championship years said that Alonso is the best on the grid, and him and Lewis would win a lot more in those Red Bulls. Mate you are arguing with the most talented ans successful drivers of this millenium, I mean, are you not biased a bit too much?
"Fernando is faster than you", confirm you got the message.
"I did dad, next year Formule E, I get it"
What a beautiful world that would be....
He's an OK driver but whatever glimmer of promise he had seems to have gone. With Honda coming on board I think there will be a little more pressure on Lawrence replace Lance for a Japanese driver if Lance can't improve
Yuki for the championship with Honda
It literally will never happen. Daddy Stroll bought the team *for* Lance. No other reason.
@@sheldoniusRex well engine suppleir have a huge right to ask for things.
At that point, Fernando will be the one that will get replaced. I don't see in any of the multiverse Lance being out a AM seat.
@@brendanzhang7488 they won't get it.
Lance Stroll has never had to fight to keep his seat, so he's gotten quite comfortable with just showing up every week and hoping for the best.
The problem he's going to face now is that now Aston Martin have broken into the top 3, pressure from sponsors and the media will be on a different level to which he's not yet experienced since being in F1.
Lance had now had the benefit of being teammates with TWO former World Champions so unless he picks up his game, I think giving his son an F1 seat in perpetuity is eventually going to catch-up with Lawrence Stroll.
Embarassing really. He's got the second best car on the track and should be in Top 5 easily. Instead he's lost in midfield.
And he's been in F1 for freaking 6 seasons
It s embarassing to see stupid fans in f1
Its sad to see this after the start of this season where he proved he wanted to be there even if he was injured
He couldn't let drugavich touch that seat.
Well, the case is more like something similar to what happened with Nick de Vries last year, and he didn't want to let that happen, because if Drugovich did drive that first race, and did an amazing job in the race, that would've put him in a ton of pressure, even bigger than the one that he is right now
We're 6 races in enough of the injury excuse the car is good really good you know how many MFing people have lost there jobs and seats because of this kid!
@DRA25dra You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. He didn’t use the wrists as an excuse at all, he was sad because Lance proved he wanted to keep his seat by racing with injuries, and now he’s wasting the seat. I’m sure there was somebody still holding onto the wrists excuse, but you chose the wrong comment.
haha, and it's only a few races after some great performances. This is all hyperbolic, pedantic, cringe worthy analysis at this point. And it's coming from everywhere now.
A small note for Alonso and his first stop for mediums: the track being slower (due to the rain) meant that the time loss due to pitting would have been reduced as well
Absolutely agree, Stroll is not F1 front runner material. Surely Aston must have stakeholders who can pressure stroll out. Drugovich needs a shot to show how good he is.
RICCIARDO
I appreciate you for outright calling Latifi an embarrassment to F1.
Stroll isn't on that level but AM as a project can only be taken so seriously while they have Lance being and doing Lance things in a car that is up the sharp end.
The problem for Aston is with Mercedes having two incredibly elite drivers in Hamilton and Russell.
They (Aston) can’t afford to make mistakes or lose points. Especially if, keyword if, Mercedes start getting faster.
having Stroll in such a car just doesn't make sense and is already the biggest mistake they can make. They could have a somewhat comfortable lead on Merc in the championship right now with a more talented and consistent driver
@@kidnamedfinger420 Alonso and Piastri would be miles ahead. As they’d be very close.
@@gameofender4463 doesn't have to be piastri,put a Tsunoda there or even de vries... anything but stroll,i think stroll is the worst driver apart from Sargeant on the grid now ....i think de vries has the potential from the past ,tsunoda the raw speed, piastri is a generational talent..zhou maybe is around him,even then hed be the 18th driver on the grid in the 2nd best car on most tracks...or the more unlikely scenairo,that stroll drives that car okay,and alonso is outperforming it
@@mrbungle3310 Zhou is better than Stroll. But I said Oscar as it’d be the most guaranteed to succeed.
@@gameofender4463 oscar is tripple of stroll,zhou idk...he reminds me of stroll,he had great moments last year,but most of the time hes anonymous, especially instead of improving now he gets beaten by Bottas more
Aston 2023 is just like McLaren 2022:
One great driver carrying the whole team in the Constructors' against a solid pair. Lawrence will have to make a choice eventually
alonso is really bringing back the year and his time at ferrari where he managed to almost win championship with 3-4 th fastest car but i hope stroll picks up his slack as well
This is the time for Lawrence stroll to show whether he can put the team before his son. It sounds cruel but unfortunately he is no longer on the level that Aston Martin is playing at.
Imagine how far Aston would've been had Aston had Lando Norris or someone like that in the seat. Heck even Nico hulkenberg would be better than stroll in that Aston. Hulkenberg has been pushing that haas amazingly.
How far? Best case scenario 3rd in WDC and 2nd in WCC. Which is how AMR is right now
Lawrence Stroll owns the team to help his son, he will NEVER put the team before his own flesh and blood why would the hell would he give a fuck about anything else? he's already a billionaire he has everything, even if Aston won a championship with another driver so what? Lawrence makes more money? as if he needs more. It means nothing to Lawrence Stroll since he's in it for his son plain and simple.
@@JohnDoe-ix4kx yeah you have no idea. He can send his son to Williams or smt, winning a title is more important.
That mentality is what makes him a winner.
Nobody spends that much money and time for his son to "have fun" LMAO
It's not cruel when you think about how many quality drivers have either lost their seat or missed out on a seat because of him.
He should pay a lesser team to let his son driver for them, and then snare another quick driver, like Danny Ric to drive for Aston.
Insane scenario: Papa Stroll convinces Lance to move on with his life, kicks in the door at the MTC, steals Norris - Fernando/Lando combination. Experienced former multi-World Champion with charming British star on the come-up.
The greatest steal they've ever done to Mercedes. Their whole flow.
It should be noted that Seb came alive at the end of the year last year when we started to see the pace Alonso's been flaunting this year. When the team delivered a competitive car, Seb walked away from his teammate.
I completely agree seb brought all the big results for Aston Martin before they had a good car if seb was in this year's Aston Martin he would have been close to Alonso's level
Imagine if Stroll had gone instead of Vettel. The rankings would have been Max, Checo, Alonso, Vettel (not necessarily in that order) by now
@@mavadelo Actually that order is exactly what would've happen if vettel was on the team, maybe im biased but alonso is clearly the better driver in the whole grid (lets not forget vettel almost lost a title to alonso in the 3rd fastest car), Max is by far the closest we've seen toa young alonso where both race against the reigning champions with similar performing cars and manage to beat them, now alonso's age took a toll in his perfarmance but he is still by far a top3 driver in the grid with max 1st and lewis 3rd.
@@viniciusbraga9881 I think vettels peaks would be higher than Nando’s but nando is more consistent
@@victormiguelmontero136 let’s not forget that the car vettel was driving was unreliable af and wasn’t even that fast proof being that Webber finished 6th that season
If you take away the names and just use data, their is zero defense for Lance. People are taking it personal, but trust me, he sees the gap and knows he’s not on the same planet as Alonso!
That s not the point ! Please learn f1
Aston Martin looks like a 1980's F1 team😂😂😂😂😂
Brabham in 1981:
Nelson Piquet - 50 points (World Champion)
Hector Hebaque - 11 points (10th)
Instead of growing slowly, it seems more like Stroll had already reached his peak long ago and is instead well on his way in the decline phase. With a car that is clearly 2nd or 3rd fastest, it's unacceptable that Stroll is still struggling in the midfield.
Your heard it here first. This would make an epic Silly Season.
Lewis-Nando at AM, Norris-Russell at Merc, Albon-Piastri at McLaren, and Stroll-Sargent/Schumacher at Williams.
lmao that would be a cool silly season
Max goes to HAAS and Latifi returns for Red Bull
@@cameron9292 What in the name of F1 career mode is this!?🤣🤣
I'll pass. Alonso's staying
I think Lewis would rather stay at Mercedes than be teammates with Alonso again.
Thanks for all the praise guys. I really do deserve it. Daddy tells me how much I'm improving everyday. I'll probably be driver champion the rest of the decade so keep your eyes open for a masterclass
😂😂😂😂
you made an account and silly comment all to get 3 likes hell yeah dude
Lawrence : I'm gonna build the best team around my son. And now that team can't fully compete because of my son
After all the s---t heaped on Nyck De Vries, let's be real, he managed to keep it on track and finish in the wet in 12th, so what is Stroll's excuse?!? Drivers are so fond of saying, if only I had a good car, I could show you who I am, Alonso being one of them, except Alonso is doing that again and how. Stroll's dad has thrown literally everything at this---poached rival employees, building a state of the art campus/wind tunnel, new suppliers coming soon---this is a literal no excuse season for Lance because what is left to say if he doesn't do comparatively well this season to Alonso?
👏 👏 👏 stroll isn't one of the 20 best drivers in the world
@@joefrisco8025 This will never happen for a million reasons, but I would LOVE to hear an evaluation of Stroll's performance by his dad. Nepotism I can accept, but if he honestly thinks Lance has a chance at a championship in his career...
He’ll have to start performing soon. Because rumors are Lawrence Stroll just sold 34.9 million shares for GBP117.0 million at GBP3.35 per share from Aston Martin Lagonda to Geely. With other significant shareholders around him he won’t be able to keep his little son for long and do whatever he wants if the others don't agree. They can force him to drop Lance if Lance doesn't start performing and bringing in points.
@@LuisTrey and the plot thickens...
If you look at the last 2 races at least in qualifying it was mostly outside factors that ruined his quali. The races itself he was ok in miami and good in Monaco sometimes Perez couldn’t even keep up with him. If sargeant didn’t screw him he would’ve probably score a point there
Lance sometimes pulls of some impressive race craft that makes me go wowww and then sometimes he makes boneheaded plays
This is it. There are strengths and weaknesses of every driver. Stroll keeps proving himself, and then after a couple or few bad races (even if it's not necessarily his fault), ope, I think it's time for him to go. It's kind of comical actually. You'd think F1 commentators would notice it though. They have 1 job.
Lance's main issue is consistency. He'd pull a worldie drive and follow it up with a stinker (sometimes in the same race, like Austin 2022).
@@Robalexe Nothing to argue with here.
@@Robalexe In Aston 2022, for Quali he was exceptional, but then in the race he made a boneheaded move lol
@@ErickMcNerney And he was going really well in the race until he made that mistake too
Idk about you right but being under the pressure of being fired by your boss can really help improve your form on track
Checo is the perfect example. RP canned him, he knew his time was up if he didn't make a big impression, won in Bahrain, and RBR signed him
Stroll never considered or really fully dealt that issue because his dad is his boss or one of the teams major investors.
Stroll is coming across as slower Fisichella pretty much
Towards the end of last season, seb was also 2 to 3 tenths faster than Lance. If Vettel was driving this year in that car he would be very close to Fernando. It’s just that Alonso is a more consistent driver than Vettel. I think Alonso and Seb would have been a great driver pairing. Alonso would be a bit faster with seb being very close
lets be honest, alonso would have absolutely demolished vettel, probably it would have been a 6-0 in race results just like with stroll, and maybe more even in qualifying
@@blackpaint9093 Vettel in his last seasons was underrated because of a shit car, yes Alonso would beat him, but he would be close behind him and also more motivated in a competitive car
@@blackpaint9093 I agree, Vettel was a shell of his former self.
@@sirbenement10 Vettle left f1in 2020 when Leclerc started to beat him regularly. he was never the same after that.
@@blackpaint9093 you mean the same alonso that lost to ocon
I think Mercedes will end up higher at this rate
I agree. If the Merc gains any pace it’s going to almost be guaranteed 2nd.
realistically yes
it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when (probably this sunday). merc doesn't even need to be quicker than AM to surpass them because that's how much better their driver lineup is.
Mercedes if not fast are consistent. Ferrari and AM lack consistency and AM has Stroll who just isn't up to the mark.
Stroll and Yuki are 2 drivers who haven't done much yet have secured seats, one cos his dad runs the team and the other cos he's Japanese.
Stroll needs to up his game
Lawrence Stroll needs to make a choice…if his team, especially partnering with Honda, could truly be a threat to RBR and other top teams, then he needs to re-evaluate why he is there. It can no longer just be to give his kid a seat at F1. Fernando cannot do this entirely on his own.
He needs to have a serious, one on one talk with his son.
Lawrence just needs to give Lance a position in the management AM team and pay him well
well technically speaking, vettel in 2013 alone managed to outscore the entirety of p2 mercedes. sooooooo if aston manage to come up with a total rocketship, alonso *might* be able to do it
@@no1washerezz yeah, but it’s not fair to Alonso. A second teammate needs to pull AT LEAST 35-45% of the points. Sainz, Checo, Russel, etc, they all do. Lance pulls in a shockingly low 22% of the points.
Lance's consistency has been his downfall since the beginning of his career. I hope his father sees past their blood relationship and gives Lance a hurry up.
Fernando destroyed kimi in the same Ferrari, Stroll has no possibility to beat him
Daddy finally got his son a good car that he could potentially win races in. He’s not going to let Lance go
Is starting to become a problem? Brudda this man has been a problem for the longest time
I know this is the hot topic of the moment, but it´s been the last 2 races that caused this topic to rise again, where at least in qualifying it wasn´t his fault because in miami the team left him on a used set of tyres for the last run in q1 and alonso barely made it out of q1. In monaco he picked up floor damage from the norris incident in q2 and couldn´t do a last lap because they were all trying to hold each other up to do a lap at the last seconds. He was clearly quick enough as shown in q1.
In miami his race pace was meh in the begining but it was clearly very hard to overtake and for the first 30 laps with the drs trains it became even harder so i don´t think he did a bad job and in the end he started to pick it up but it was too late. He definitely could´ve done more in the race and finish at least in the points at 9th or 10th.
In monaco it´s hard because at least for me his first incident with sargeant was clearly on logan because in the first turn there were more than enough room for 2 cars and stroll just tried it and sargeant closed the gap wayy too late and then sargeant closed the gap again on the next turn and that made him drop a lot of places. During the race it was clear that magnussen wouldn´t let him pass anywhere (they have a bit of history where magnussen races him harder than usual) and he was stuck behind him but always on his back, meanwhile perez was sometimes unable to keep up with him so stroll was clearly faster and if his race would be without the first incident he would probably have scored a point or two again. He was horrible on inters tho, that car just wouldn´t turn for nothing lol
In my opinion this is getting out of proportion and of course when it comes to stroll nobody even tries to look deeper at what happened or why it happened, they just see the stats and assume it was all on him when it was clearly not.
I am trying to be fair and many people including f1 youtubers are not fair at all to him, when for drivers like perez they got to the extent of saying that the redbull car is not suited to him or the mclaren to ricciardo. Do any of them know what type of car stroll likes? no, because they don´t care, but if you don´t care at least try to be unbiased and look deeper at what happened during those "supposed" bad performances.
Not to mention Alonso form right now is just so incredible and consistent he would make everyone, excpect leclerc and verstappen, look bad. His qualifying is getting better by the race and his race pace has been godlike since mid last season
Well said. I've tried explaining the same things. People don't care. They want to confirm their own bias too often.
Lance always has some worldies, some stinkers and some middling performances over the span of 10 races at a time.
@@Robalexe Can't argue with that.
Alfonso is an unbelievable driver. Its not the forst time he completely owns his teammate.
Imagine Aston martin team with alonso and vettel. even redbull would respect them
Alonso pitting onto medium tires was so frustrating because it was clear that either it was too wet for them, or that there was a good chance that more rain would have required the intermediates anyway. I mean, I'm no F1 race strategist, but even I could tell that it was probably too wet for slicks by that point, and there was no indication that the rain would be letting up any time soon.
Edit: To add, you're absolutely correct that when he pitted, the slicks were *technically* the best tire at that moment, but you don't win Grands Prix (yes I hate writing it like that, too, but it's better than Grand Prixes I guess?) by doing what is technically correct in every single moment. You win them by anticipating and strategizing and taking appropriate risks when such opportunities present themselves (or you just win because you're Red Bull and you have the best car with Max Verstappen driving it). It's amazing to me how often underdog teams play situations just a bit too conservatively in order to preserve an existing position rather than really going for it by taking a chance that is not even all that risky.
Another example would be Hulkenberg at the Austria Sprint Race, who on lap 15 mentioned that slicks might be preferable, but despite that, at the beginning of lap 17 his engineer was still trying to talk him out of pitting because he was P4 and there were only so many laps left (Lance Stroll passed him literally immediately after that radio message). Or how McLaren wasn't playing the same strategy as Lewis Hamilton at Silverstone (Lewis said in the post-race interview that he was planning on "going until the end" because he was expecting a safety car), pitting Piastri earlier than they needed to despite the fact that during the pre-race show they mentioned that there is an 80-something percent chance of a safety car at Silverstone.
These are exactly the kinds of risks that lesser teams need to be taking in order to maximize their results when they get such opportunities. The downside is not bad enough NOT to take such risks. It's frustrating to watch them play these situations excessively safe!
Edit 2: Yes, he had "everything to lose," unless he had pitted onto intermediates at that time. I mean, it's not like the intermediate tire would have made him wreck in the first corner. It would have just slowed him down slightly, and at worst, caused him to pit again WHICH HE HAD TO DO ANYWAY. That's exactly my point above! It wasn't even a huge gamble! I know Alonso wanted to try the slicks and I'm almost always going to trust the driver over everyone else, but it just didn't seem like a smart gamble at that point in time. Mediums WERE the gamble, and they paid for it.
Lawrence will never sack his son
He will keep him at aston for life
Fantastic video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
Could you imagine if next year they drop Lance and instead put in Daniel Ricciardo. Imagine the ferocity that Alonzo and Ricardo would take to their opposition, it would be awesome to see.
Daddy ain’t gonna do that mate
I'm still hoping we can get an Alonso-Yuki driver pairing for next year. The radio commentary should be legendary.
At this level there are no excuses. With a fast car you have to “play with the big boys” and of the 5 top teams now Lance is looking at battling for 10th best. Clearly not good enough and there’s no shame in that. Aldas describes the stats well. Down to the Strolls to sort this.
should have gotten rid of stroll and put vettel in the other car
Vettel, Drugovich, Ricciardo, maybe even Raikkonen, any of them would have been better.
Drugovic would've been perfect alongside the padre
Vettel wasn't removed, he chose to leave to be with his family, what are you gonna do, drag him back to the seat?
@@josephlehman1242 vettel wanted retirement so there's nothing you can do about that, drugovich is literally an unproven talent, ricciardo had no idea AM was gonna even be good, raikkonen stopped caring a long time ago.
Absolutely!! What a pair of drivers it would be for AM.
4:20 I remember Alonso damaging his frontwing in Malaysia 2013 crashing into Vettel‘s rear in the first lap and retiring one lap later when the front wing dropped under the car. But it although Ferrari‘s mistake, because they didn’t pit him for a new frontwing.
Being a second driver to most good drivers isn't that bad. Being a second driver to fernando alonso/lewis hamilton/max verstappen /michael schumacher is, because you're going to be judged very hard.
I like how vettel is being snubbed again but the last time I checked when he won 13 races 9 of them in a row in 2013 Webber finished 3rd with 0 wins
When you pointed out how Lance did against Seb and how Lance is doing against Alonso, it makes me think back on how Leclerc destroyed Seb in 20'.
Vettel was never the same after hockenhaim 2018 sadly
@@Christzo18 bullshit. He won the next race. If a driver is so affected by one race then he clearly needs to step up and move on. Its about performance not emotions
@@aryansomrain5099 The next race was in the Hungaroring which Hamilton won.
Yeah, a 4time WDC winner is shit. And i agree with all the new F1 fans
Have you seen the video entirely?
There’s a lot of good midfield drivers who want that seat.
This has been an issue many speculated about when Stroll bought the team in the fiest place, although I dont think any of it thought itd be a problem that materialized
Say what you want i personally respect Lawrence stroll for giving his son a continuous chance to succeed and live his dreams despite all of the criticism he’s bound to face. He has his values set, he’s not looking to pander to the audience, thats not easy. But you arent wrong at all
I think Vettel and Alonso are very different drivers, I think with Fernando, he will always get the maximum out of any car he drives whether it be a backmarker or a car at the front. With Seb, I feel like his performances rise with the capabilites of his car, look at the 2nd half of last season, Seb came alive, whilst it can be noted having recently retired his mental space is different, driving without pressure, but look at 2018 compared to 2020 at Ferrari or 2013 and 2014 with RB, therefore I think the comparison with Stroll is slightly unfair, had it been Seb in this year's Aston instead of Stroll, him and Nando would be very close imo (I'm not saying one beats the other, both r exceptional drivers but imo they would close if put in the same machinery), I personally think Seb would have the higher highs but also the lower lows whereas Alonso would be extremely consistent as he is proving (kinda what happened in 2012)
I think vettel will beat Alonso in qualifying at least.
@@madl99 tbf I reckon Seb gets pole in Monaco, not sure if he wins but I reckon he would be very close to getting pole
If Seb was in the Aston Martin he would be leading WC by Now
Spittin pure facts, good job 👍🏻
In a sport filled with guys who are fueled by daddies money this dude is in a league of his own.
5:29 logan sargeant side eyeing intensely rn
Aldas nails it once again.
Blessed take : Hulkenburg and Alonso in Aston. I can only dream.
One word: nepotism
who needs (lance) stroll when you got (lawrence) stroll
God damn Aldas, you didn't have to kill the man
To be fair lance stroll has ALWAYS been paired with a powerhouse name. There has never been a year where he would treated to better strategy than his teammate
Killing me softly is Alonsos new strategy with a smiling face
Thing with Stroll is that he will probably have a race where we will all be flabbergasted.
It’s the same cycle with Stroll. A couple of stinkers and we want him to get out. And then he pops in a couple of great drives and we warm to him. And then a couple of stinkers again.
Great video, Drivers should get given a top seat based on merit or if they are new to f1 and you can see potential, stroll let's himself down in qualifying because he usually makes good starts but is already comprised because of his starting position,He's the type of driver that can frustrate you cause every now again he puts in a top performance and leaves you thinking "maybe now he will kick on and be consistent" or he's nearly there but it never seems to happen
As a Seb and Alonso fan who genuinely wants Stroll to succeed, I have been contemplating during every race so far how fun it would be to see Alonso and Vettel on the same team. That would be the best driver pairing on the grid IMO. Seb wasn't able to shine against Stroll the way Alonso has because the 2021 and 2022 cars had a lower ceiling, meaning Seb was limited by machine, not skill. He is a 4x WDC after all.
I agree and we all know that Vettel would be leading the driver’s championship by now,
really wished i could have seen a vettel alonso pairup this season, would have been such a cool comparison
It'll never happen, but imagine Hamilton alongside Alonso at AM. That'd be a hell of a team 🤤🤤
Feels like he has been improving every year and now this year seems like a post injury Massa.
its just because he has more expierance driving faster car every year, and his injury is nowhere close to massa injury
I absolutely agree with you. If, for some reason, the situation was the opposite with Stroll in 3rd position of the standings scoring most of AM’s points and Alonso responsible for a mere 20% of them, I would have no doubts whatsoever that Alonso would make a huge comeback towards the end of the season performing at his absolute best (as always). His outstanding career has given him enough credit to believe that such a thing is not only possible, but certain. But Lance… is different, right? What are his racing merits so far to convince us that from now on he will give 110% of what the AMR23 is capable of?
100% bang on
as and Alonso fan yesterday fcked us because the Stroll telemetry without issues would have help but at the same time it works because is better for AM to end third or fourth for next year
Lance just seems so comfy, you can even hear it in his interviews, so nonchalant
Would love to see Charles in that other Aston
I think for any other team, you are absolutely correct. However, the difference in revenue whether you end up let's say 3rd or 4th in the constructor's championship is perhaps not the biggest worry for Laurence Stroll.
So, as long as AM is only interested in podiums and potential wins, it works for them with Fernando.
However, if you want to become World Champion as a constructor, you have to have 2 horses that can pull the wagon and probably need a better, more consistent driver than Lance.
But let's not forget that this is only the first year Lance can learn from Fernando. It may take him 2 years to absorb and learn. And of course, he will be given that time by the team.
Everyone at Aston claiming they would’ve finished second even if they pitted for inters immediately. They just don’t want to face reality they could’ve won. Data was there to show Alonso would’ve got in front of max with the delta on the inters and max still sliding around on slicks
Imagine what Lando could do in that Aston. That's who I would go after if I was AM, but I know he's not exactly a fan of the Strolls.
And yeah, no disrespect to the legendary Vettel but it's pretty clear now how done he was. Probably just didn't have the motivation anymore, no one can ever question his talent at his peak.
When is the last time I remember Alonso making a mistake?
2014, when he decided to move to McLaren.
Just shows how class Fernando is carrying the team
the worst part for Lance is even if he wants to leave the team for another one he would be denied by everyone of them
seriously I wish to see Lance doing better but he has to kick himself in the butt to improve himself
Stroll's best bet is to be a test driver, if Lawrence is smart he'll make that call.
This raises a very interesting question… If there were two Stroll’s in Aston Martin how bad could a good car look? Does this mean some cars are not as bad as they seem and just have bad drivers?
Very good, I agree with most of what's been said in this video. It had been recorded before Spanish GP where Mercedes clearly outperformed Aston Martin. Right now we do not know if that continues, but if Lawrence Stroll wants to succeed in F1 he should at least start thinking of hiring someone more competitive alongside Alonso.
One thing I can't agree with is that Lance Stroll is still good enough to be in F1. He had a few good moments, but I think we all agree there were better drivers that had to make space for someone else. I'm wondering who could be valuable substitute if (theoretically) at some point this season Lance parts ways with Aston Martin.
Maybe it's worth to create another video covering that?
I bet Stroll will luck into a win, and take AM's sole win this year. Just like Ocon in Hungary 2021.
Its early on in an exceedingly long season hopefully things turnaround for him ( i doubt his dad will fire him its more likely he will retire due to ongoing wrist complications or just retire by the end of next season if this current trend continues) I can't see him wanting to be their if Alonso thrashes him 2 seasons in a row.
Really good video
"What Will Lance Hit" is my favorite F1 game. He does spoil it sometimes by taking out another driver near or below him in points.
100% correct, Lawrence is always going to try and make his son a world champ but he must see by now he's holding the team back considerably. Lawrence should have bought Williams also and had his son head that team up
Just as long as there isn't a title sponsor (Somebody else money) at the team Lance's position is probably safe for now. Honda won't be so forgiving.
Stroll is the Mazepin of F1 right now.
Not even close. Do you even watch F1?
I'm more in the line of Stroll doing this bad in Aston is actually a blessing in disguise, because if they finish 3rd or 4th behind Merc and Ferrari they will get a bigger budget cap and more wind tunnel testing time especially next season they will have their own wind tunnel
It has to be a pain for his father saying "dear son, I can't give you the seat anymore, but now you can work preparing strategies for the team. I'll buy a PlayStation, and you can report to me once a month"
For me, this situation is the same that we saw in 2010-2014 with Alonso and their team mates, Massa and Raikkonen. Stroll is not the best, but I think Fernando is a beast. And I also believe that this time and project is meant to be built around Fernando, Stroll is just a passenger.
Many TH-camrs are talking about this 🤣🤣🤣
I find it hilarious