There is a deleted scene in which the engineer explains the whole story in a two-minute dialogue with Wayland, they should never have taken it out, that would have lifted the film to a whole different level
If you mean the Kroft stuff, be aware that he is working from a fan-made script, not an authentic early draft. The script he works from in many of his videos is the long-debunked Draft 17 or Orange script, written by Prometheus fan Mark McAllister in 2012.
They really should have kept that in, I've seen what you're talking about and I think it really hurt the final product cutting it. Without it just makes the engineer look like a maniac who woke up homicidal for no reason.
@@dubstepzsi If you search for "Prometheus (2012): The Engineer speaks. (Deleted extended scene)" you'll find the legit version. The Engineer speaks in proto-indo-European which David translates. There's also a fan script floating around in which the Engineer goes off about stuff such as having taken a human child back to their homeworld and taught him their ways - that's completely fake, though literally millions of people have been fooled by it.
The fact that the Engineers raise so many interesting questions makes it an absolute travesty their story isnt being explored more. Chest busters are over cooked at this point
Scott himself said Christ was an Engineer and we were slated for extermination because we killed him. Yeah. As much as I'd like to salvage Prometheus, I just can't. Don't want to piddle on anyone else's enjoyment, though.
@@reyperry2605 Scott can't even keep his own brain dead writing together. He's a fantastic director and one of the best eyes in cinema...his writing is not great.
@@Sammo212 says Sammo212, the famous and definitely not brain dead film critic and celebrated screen writer. As with anyone, your opinions are totally valid when taken in the context that they are your opinions and have no more or less importance than the next TH-cam comments section expert. The problem is that when you come off as a self important twat, and call the the writing of Ridley Scott, inconsistence an artist though he may sometimes be, "braindead", you call the kettle black. Show me on the doll, Sammo, where Ridley "bad-touched" you.
Its been a long time since I watched, but even if the bodies on that ship were dead 2000 years ago, why would you think that was the entirety of their species?
"A king has his reign, and then he dies. It's inevitable. That is natural order of things." This line is the core of the plot! "Anything else?", "No"....
Yeh people look over this too often. It also plays into the themes of David being obsessed with creation to be seen as someone who is equal to a human who has 'personhood'. And ironically he can only copy, not necessarily create.
XX121 refers to classic xeno. Everything from Alien and after. David DID create this. Before that there was only a Deacon. U see it in the Engineer murals. The acid blood, eggs, "his version" of facehuggers , hive mentality , resin saliva wasp-like nest. These are ideas based on actual existing life on Earth. David was on another planet and in his Frankenstein lab was experimenting with all these sorts of indigenous creatures. And Shaws reproductive anatomy.... Hence Eggs.
@@El_Grande_Jefeso before David's creation the only aliens "deacons" had be produced by slipping some guy a mickey of black goo, that guy getting laid before he becomes a monster, then the woman he impregnates having a pre term c section, so then her aborted troglodyte (I can't remember the actual name) can grow exponentially large within a few hours, so it can then face hug an engineer?
@@lunarvvolf9606the alien origin is in the black goo. David used it to poison Charlie. Then Charlie injects his genetically altered goo into Elizabeth. She carries his baby… and that alien baby face hugs the engineer into creating the first queen.
I like to think the Engineers are the ultimate answer to the Fermi Paradox - the Xenomorph is their cosmic speed bump. The Xenomorph poses this challenge to any interstellar race: Is your race wise enough to avoid them as soon as they make contact, or will you be destroyed by your own hubris? Then when they see our AI, the answer to that question is even more clearly “No”.
In reality, the engineers wanted to destroy humanity 2000 years ago, long before the creation of AI, when the son of one of them was crusified by us. (This scene was planned in the script)
@@Sammo212 What's hilarious, the crucifixion of Jesus Christ or someone else? I don't get it, i fail to joke, is it about the movie we are watching? I said this comment before watching the video; probably the video, right?
@@Kuro87na the idea that the historical Jesus (who existed, even if He wasn't the son of God) being an engineer and that they want to kill us because of that. I do believe they even state in the film that the bodies are well older than Christ's crucifixion would have been dated.
@@Sammo212 I guess that kinda makes sense, they want to kill us because Jesus was one of them, and we killed him, right? I mean he looks more human, civil, and just better, so he must be their leader or superior, maybe. I don't know. Maybe they liked us more than their other creations because of how complex we are, physically and mentally; one of the only species ever to be able to dream, create deep bonds, technology that can assist us in space travel and more, and etc. Furthermore, the bodies being older then Christ's birth or crucifixion doesn't bother me because that's him in a fleshed out version; i don't know, regardless if these guys made us or not, they had a creator, plus they are mortal, so they are certainly not Gods nor Demi-Gods, they are just smart, more buff versions of human, if that's what you want to call them. Moreover, Jesus Christ and God are my God, how about you, the same religion or...?
I love Prometheus! The REAL problem was that Prometheus raised so many questions and promised so much that Covenant just didn't deliver! If Covenant had delivered the potential Prometheus promised us, the public oppinion about that storyline would be praised nowadays. However, Covenant explained nearly nothing, tried to keep the answers for other installments anda almost killed the franchise. Don't try to fool the fans! Deliver the goods! Look what's going on at Marvel an Lucasfilm... do the opposite!!!
Romulus is another requel. Reboot/sequel. Doubt there will be anything more than a few nods or Easter eggs. Prometheus thought it was deep, but really wasn't. Mushing together a bunch of scripts, ignoring the inconsistencies, and people talking and acting unrealistically, then asking profound questions you do absolutely nothing with, is not deep.
All the practical effects and the puppeteering with the aliens, using Geigers creations is really impressive. Also, the fact that the Xenomorph was a human on stilts shot from many angles then stitched together is very cool. Would love to see more behind the scenes videos.
I read the Spaihts script a few months after Prometheus came out (and felt it was closer to a finished shooting script than what made it to the screen) , but I haven't read the Lindelof script. I need to track that down.
Just because the earlier scripts didn't have the themes that you thought doesn't mean they weren't in the final film, art's meaning can be found in the process of creating it, sometimes the artist only discovers what they are trying to say after they have said it. Behind-the-scenes rewrites may bear out this angle. The Engineers would be aware that all intelligent species go through a similar evolution and, if left unchecked or unguided, will eventually reach a technological singularity that threatens all life in the galaxy. Humanity rejected the guidance and was scheduled for eradication. We are shown this in the next movie. David, the product of our technological singularity, wipes out one of the civilizations that was guided by the Engineers. The civilization even has a Roman aesthetic to drive home the point that they were contacted at the same time in their technological evolution, bat also to indicate that the Engineers stalled that civilization's technological progress. The Engineers slated humanity for eradication because humanity was not controllable but the clean up crew had a weapons malfunction. This is also alluding to the Fermi paradox, civilizations are deliberately kept at low technological levels to prevent the galaxy's life being wiped out by rogue AI. We slipped through the cracks and have come to embody that threat.
I think you are on the right track with this video, perhaps the engineer was offended on a much deeper and personal level by Weyland. Remember that the engineer's way of life as shown in the opening scene in Prometheus was to sacrifice themselves using the black goo to seed new life on a new world. Later at the end of the film, not only does Weyland parade around his new answer to the next generation of life in the android David, he also asks the engineer for eternal life for himself. Asking for eternal life and creating new synthetic life are the exact opposite of self sacrifice, and would be seen as supremely offensive to the engineer's entire philosophy. The whole movie is about humans not being ready for the "next level" just as in the Greek myth of Prometheus, the the Gods did not see humans as ready to receive the gift of fire. The movie is chalk full of examples of people reaching for something they are not ready for and completely blundering the opportunities in front of them. The engineer ripping the head off of David and beating Weyland to death with it should come as no surprise at all.
I agree with the idea. I thought further on this and did some research to add: Xenomorophs in gigers art are "bio- mechanical" which is the fusion of biological and artificial. This always indicated that the aliens were engineered and created, rather than just being an existing lifeform. Also, the aliens have acidic blood and are silicon based lifeforms, The androids muscles, skin and flesh are also silicon based. The engineers are an organic lifeform. We know this because we see one drinking the black goo and the body breaking down into the water showing a strand of dna. However we can see that much of the engineer technology from the flight controls, space suits, and possibly the black goo itself is a fusion of organic and artificial. We dont know exactly what aspects of the xenomorphs biology is fully organic. The androids appear organic but we know are in fact fully artificial including the brain. Inside the head chamber in the murals We see an xenomorph like creature, which means the engineers had made one before. I think they created an xenomorph but in doing so they created a part organic part artificial creature, with all the biological drives, and no psychological conflicts like morality or emotion. That creature then began to do what any organic creature will do and that is multiply and survive. This is ultimately what makes the xenomorphs the perfect organism, they will relentlessly multiply and kill to survive, with the calculating, unconflicted intelligence of a machine and the drive of a living organism. Engineers made this mistake and paid for it, now humans are potentially opening those doors again. There is a danger with AI. Where humans learn and develop because of our curiosity, passions and intrigued, An AI learns to gather data, to become more efficient for a certain task or objective. An AI has no emotion or natural curiosity so development is entirely objective orientated. This restricts AI from creative or compassionate thought instead making their thought process linear and recall based only. David can play the piano flawlessly. But the skill is programmed, not learnt so it has none of the human element. You start crossing biological drives with artificial thinking and it opens up doors to a species will stop at nothing to assure its survival. Even if it means eradicating any other species that could pose any kind of potential threat. Also " why does he want to live forever" the engineers recognise life and death as part of being an organic creature, the one that drinks the black goo I think was old or sick and this is there way of returning there bodys to nature.
One thing that always made me think the xenomorph is a type of biological weapon is the fact that they just eradicate everything they encounter. If they were let loose on a world, they would parasitize everything until there was nothing left to implant embryos in and kill. Eventually they would go dormant after everything was killed.
you make a lot of great rational & introspective points. but there are other parts to the puzzle, that may change this thread. there have been SO many videos & essays dissecting Ridley's universe, it becomes a bit of a blur, but there was one that i remember (and am 99% sure) was straight from his own notes, revealing more info on the wall mural, etc. he/it stated that the engineers (also referred to as "gardeners" or "seeders") was not just part of their obession with creating & tailoring life for it's own fascinating sake, but also more & more grew out of necessity. they lived very long lives (around a thousand years or so), but because of their obsessive workaholic pursuits, their reproductive features devolved, and before they could recognize it in time, they all had lost the ability to reproduce with each other naturally. **side note: i personally thought that was a lame part of the story (at least described the way it had been, and was nonsensical that they were unable to tamper with their own genes to reverse this development, especially considering how brilliant & advanced they were in being able to do that very same thing with their little test subjects. but whatever. maybe the unwritten ideas on how that actually happened longform could make more sense)** anyways, during their distraught musings on this new sad development (seeing themselves as now finite, and dwindling in numbers), they stumbled upon a life form on some new planet, and [details are sketchy, here] it was basically the classic xenomorph story. while horrific, the engineers witnessing it were also in awe, as they saw this as a sort of new way to organically reproduce again. **another side note: again, i find major flaw in this reasoning, as engineers of this level of intelligence/ability/advancement should more realistically recognize it as simply parasitic symbiotic amalgamation. whatever, i suppose every fictional IP has at least one flaw somewhere in it's reasoning...** anyway, they then considered that dead engineer host as more of a sacrifice than a victim, and began to view the experience as kind of a revelatory new way forward for their species. they harvested the blood & organs & everything of that xenomorph organism (**had they killed it as a reactive defensive impulse?? that wasn't specified**), and studied it & reverse engineered it as best they could (it was the only specimen they could find, somehow *shrug*), trying to replicate the process that they now held as the hope for their kind's future. that is why those murals were carved. the big engineer head was the first "victim/host/sacrifice", and the plaque that shows the xenomorph-looking thing in the middle portrays the significant ordeal of that first encounter, which they would all now try to replicate, using the finite amount of original DNA from it. the goo is the result of their efforts, and was shown in Prometheus to have so far been developed into two variations. the goldish goo, which breaks down dna in order to seed their own biology into a blank slate habitat, and develop new forms of life that would evolve on their own into different random species. and the black goo, which is more of a volatile corrupter or adapter, used as a cleanser of biomes in order to wipe out unworthy species (and leaving the new adapted things in their place). again, i am only 99% positive these were Ridley's own notes, based on the long info dives i went during that time period. but part of why it stuck with me was that it was the "official unpublicized canon from his own head". there are things about it all that i find lame, and other aspects that i find fascinating. but the lame aspects could possibly have been fleshed out in greater detail in a way that makes it more plausible, of course, depending on the talent of the mind writing it. there seems to be conflicting ideas from Ridley over the many years, concerning all of this, and also some seeming retcons. and there is also the fact that just because some parts of the original script existed (such as the "Jesus" story extended scene, interacting with the awakened engineer), there are times when a director cuts parts out of a movie for sake of time & flow (which means it is still considered canon), and other times a part is cut because they realize near the end that it was a bad idea (and should NOT be considered canon). hard to say which is which, without hearing that specific intent answered by the creator himself. Ridley is in a pickle, having to create an origin long after the invention of his first movie. always going to be instances of "oops, shit, i SHOULD HAVE done this or that differently in the previous prequel, but now i'm stuck with it, and have to try to course-correct in some way. oh shit, now that course-correction causes a different issue.... shit...." regardless, i love piecing together really good insights & ideas from people like you & this youtuber & others. cheers.
@@BIGM-gg9ln Jesus was an engineer, and when he was crucified they wanted to return to Earth and wipe out the planet. Ridley explained all this in an interview.
Jesus wasn't an engineer, he was taken by the engineers and taught them returned. It's supposed to also explain why a huge chunk of Jesus's life is unaccounted for. Then we crucified him.
@@zbigniewiksinski true but what a glorious mess free from constraints of studios and money execs and actually a very direct message about AI, religion and the nature of God
Glad this WAY makes sense. but the interesting thing about Prometheus; there’s not a singular WAY but WAYS of thinking about it. The next video will explore more WAYS.
I think Prometheus is brilliant. I watched it back then with my boyfriend in the cinema as I only do with science fiction or fantasy movies. And this film kept me busy for weeks. The atmosphere was so brilliant, the aliens which looked so strange. Okay, I am one of the few that liked Alien part 4. I was so keen on the next movie. But Covenant was not so good. It was in my opinion boring. I thought that Scott was taking to much credit to the audience.
Convenant is worth watching again. I like Prometheus alot, and liked it more, but I appreciate convenant more after having watched it more. It has a different feel though for sure, which I didn't like at first because I really liked Prometheus upon first watching. Covenant is very dark, monstrous and creepy in a way Prometheus isn't. However, I didn't like the whole set up, with a crew of husband and wives going into space together, I always thought that was kind of cheesy and weird.
@@jimtroeltsch5998 I found Prometheus much darker than covenant. And this idiotic Captain. Who is lured so easily into the trap by David. This was ridiculous. And the hatched alien which looked like a puppet.😂 Okay, Covenant is obviously better than many other science fiction movies.
This also illustrates what's wrong with Scott's _perception of_ A.I. For instance, nothing of physics or nature *causes $* to flow to investors or the 1%. Interest is Always Assigned. But if we call all the actions of humans by a label, we think we understand it &/or *come to trust that is **_does indeed_* work on properties of nature or physics. That's how Scott views A.I. As if it was a thing that could evolve on its own, with emotions etc. Except *our emotions* are based on having instincts & fears, being unable to replace ourselves if we die. David can be burned but he can't _feel_ a burn. Without these basic underlying facts for emotions to grow out of, where would they come from? By calling it "A.I." he outsmarts himself & just assumes it *will develop* the way people who support man-made systems trust that capitalism "works" of its own volition. Still, despite this he manages to scrape at one underlying facet correctly, that of putting decision-making power into the hands of things that don't have the same stake in them as we do. But even that is shallow. We do that to ourselves now. We perceive 'Government' & 'Governmental systems' the same way, as autonomous Living Gods with only our well-being as its concern, not judges & individual politicians openly paid to make those decisions by people who don't share our interests & do _NOT have_ our well-being at heart. _Can_ any politician take 1 million $ from (enter company name here) then side against them? Obviously not. But because we think that 'Government' is a Living Entity Separate From humans & all human failings we come to see politicians as 'Government,' not paid politicians. Everyone thinks this is a subtle difference not worth discussing. _That's _*_the POINT!_* It is The Most Important Thing & giving it over to a machine or a group of people who aren't looking out for our best interests is just as deadly. I'd say "ask the people at Waco, the M.O.V.E. House or Fred Hampton, except you can't. The soldiers dead in the fight for control of oil won't admit this to themselves. How about the parents of the girls who died from the "HPV vaccines?" No A.I. required.
I was close to checking out you made the "big reveal" because although it was an obvious part, albeit a very small part of the message, it really didn't add to my knowledge or opinion of Prometheus. However, since your production level is so good and I'm a pretty patient guy, I decided it was worth sticking it out until the end. I'm glad I did. Great work on this! Another thought: I will never forgive Ridley Scott for killing off Elizabeth Shaw, in such a brutal and unceremonious way.
Generally you seem to be on to something with the AI-angle. Just a little nitpick: I don't think that Mother and Ash from Alien are a good example for the "dangers of AI": True, they're both on the "bad" side, but they are, because they were programmed to be by humans from the corporation. So they didn't act "anti-human" out of their own. As for the replicants from Blade Runner: I never registered them as "robots" (which, in the definition I'm used to, always means mechanical constructs). Yes, they clearly are "artificial life", but from everything given in the movie I always (and to this day) interpreted them as biological. At least to me it seems that, in the world of that movie, humanity went the "genetic" way to create their "slave race".
There is a lot I love about the movie, I love that it tries to ask big questions! If only it didn't then go on to provide stupid answers to those questions... Flawed masterpiece is the best way to describe it.
I always felt that the engineers decided to destroy humanity because they realized humans were an inherently flawed dangerous life form. I loved the movie whether or not my opinion is correct. Great video. Enjoyed the whole AI thing.
You came very close but didnt look deep enough into the engineer's true knowledge of creation. See just like waylon; the engineers held a being upon a white throne; and sought to become creators themselves. The deacon made a creation that went forward to create a flawed being which it later wanted to exterminate for trying to replicate life: a life that while in a way was similar but in truth was far different from itself. So in my opinion i believe the engineer realized the true downfall started with his own race and sought to eliminate the whole experiment. The cycle of beings creating life which started from the deacon has created a sequence where more and more harm was being created. The truth is that we need not play God for we are not intelligent enough to understand the real implications of our actions or what our creations will end up doing. This is the real truth that needs to be seen. This was my outlook on this interpretation
I smell what you're stepping in Tyson, but the guys below are right, how did the engineers know we were going to invent AI? The bastards were going to wipe us out thousands of years earlier.....God, are we Geeks or what?
If the Engineers have seeded a lot of life throughout the galaxy, they would potentially be aware that intelligent life may eventually reach a technological singularity that creates AI that wipes out life throughout the galaxy. They offer to guide intelligent species but humanity rejected that guidance. So we get slated for eradication but luckily for us the clean up crew had a weapons malfunction.
I wish we could get an extended cut of this film, like you attempted to do. It seems like the movie would be longer, but with more fleshed out characters and less convoluted story telling.
I think a lot of the movie is about the irrational of human faith and group thought. "Look what humans can build, motivated by faith in their beliefs... the righteousness of their actions, and the notion that they can't fail"
There’s actually a lot of depth of many different themes in Prometheus. Not a perfect film but I LOVE it , people really want to be able to understand it all in a single sentence. This movie is so interesting. Something fans didn’t understand is that It shows human’s lack of rationality sometimes too. Out of faith or feelings, like the crew opening their helmet (they believed they had found the eden of life or something like that so it’s understandable they felt this strong irrational trust there in the moment ). All the creationist and the many philosophical themes really makes for a movie that makes you think and leaves place to our imagination to try to paint the complete picture. It leaves mysteries
In the comics David became a sort of messiah to synthetics. I’d love to see how his prominence impacts their behavior in the wider universe, becoming the ultimate masters from the shadows as humanity relies more upon them.
The reason to destroy humanity cannot be the invention of AI. The plan started 1st century AD, something went wrong in the preparation and only one engineer survived in cryosleep for more than 2k years
There were cave paintings from 7th century Hawai'i shown in the briefing session. The trips to Earth were just about gathering tribal humans as _raw material_ . LV 223 is Frankenstein's lab in space, and the 'engineers' are just _Igor_ going to fetch more bodies. That's why the air in the dome has to be purified, so the 'cargo' doesn't pass out and die before it reaches the room full of urns.
Prometheus is a take on the Sumerian tablets and the Annunaki. Also Scott done explained the "Vision of the gods" where these creator gods can literally see the "aura" of living beings. The sleeping engineer instantly saw David was a dead soulless entity and destroyed it and it's creator Weyland.
Prometheus proves that if you merge a bunch of the worst parts of a dozen different scripts together, with people talking and acting in ways that real people wouldn't and makes no sense, often outright contradicting other parts, while pretending to be much more profound and deep than it really is, then rush to get it out regardless of the many obvious flaws... someone will still look for a hidden meaning that isn't there to make it seem better than the mess it actually turn out to be. It's ok thou, I ain't mad at ya for tryin'...
I hope the Alien universe goes the way you suggest. What I DON'T want is a return to the original concept - I don't know how you can top the original and I don't think they'll be able to put an interesting spin on it.
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Wrong! Why? Because the order to exterminate humanity in the film was given 2000 years before the beginning of the film and before any technology appeared. For what? Because humanity is recognized as ultra-aggressive and bellicose, engineers are not only afraid of AI, but above all that humanity could one day exterminate all forms of life in the universe.
I think it could be both. Yes they did start the plan to wipe us out 2000 years prior. However when this engineer meets humanity and the AI they brought with them, it was like confirmation of the destructive potential of man.
A distinction without a difference. Humans are not only dangerous because some are ultra aggressive and bellicose. They are also dangerous because some, while very intelligent, are hubristic and as the cliche implies, spend more time asking what they can do rather than whether they should do it. The engineers attempted to send a ship with black goo to destroy humanity. The specifics of why humanity is a threat are less important than the idea that they are a threat. Except in their own hubristic move, the engineers play god, and their own creation runs amok and kills the crew, hence the crashed engineer ship in Alien containing scores of facehugger pods. Meanwhile, the freshly revived engineer hears what the AI abomination (in his view) reveals about this self proclaimed "God", and realizes their suspicions were correct all along, and sets of to finish off the job, starting with destroying David and his creator, then turning his efforts to the unfinished mission. It's a brilliant, Occam's razor worthy explanation. This AI fever dream explanation is the most elegant, logical explanation I've ever heard for this story, and it makes me appreciate Prometheus even more than I did before. And to be clear, I loved it before. My third favorite of the franchise.
If you read the comics. The engineers master wanted to save the galaxy from a species of parasite that are unstoppable so they seed places to find beings that can fight fhem. The engineers rebelled against them as well.
I'm interested in your part 2, but as it stands today, Prometheus is just a retelling of HP Lovecraft's "The Mountains of Madness." The story with AI and David are meant to be a juxtaposition between humankind discovering their creator-- and the indifference/disgust of said creator-- versus David's advent of consciousness. Our creator made us and, cosmically, despises us for climbing so high whereas David, humankind's creation, grows to despise us and become the creator himself. We revere the creator as David despises his creator. The Alien was featured in both films, albeit an early stage of evolutionary development. The film is still 'bonkers' as you say, but most people missed the point. It's an incredible Lovecraftian cosmic horror film. But it is also a really bad Alien film.
I saw the engineers as created by the star-heads. Most of them left Terra maybe 20 million years ago. Both species made errors in their creation of slaves Shoggoths for the star-heads an black xenomorphs to the Engineers.
In this film we humans are portraited as naive children playing with fire, holding fire in our hands, using fire as a tool. Clever scientists behaving like children suggests that we are not as clever as we think. A suttle yet obvious emphesis that the old movies did not have. Scott really d the whole series run off the rails here. The extermination order was given before the engieneer was put into stasis so the idea that we must be eradicated was an old one. Thus we must have done something already back then to fuel their anger. AI has always been Scott's favorite fear generator but the engieneers also use computers and maschines it is revieled as he activates the acient machine. They must have their own AI to navigate the stars. So I'm looking forward to your next episode and how you correct yourself from this false plot line explanation. I just think that this movie has too many deleted scenes and is so confusing to watch. It does not even seem to know where it wants to go... Do you?!
Ridley scott got so annoyed the studio took what children on the internet said about Prometheus - he tanked covenant on purpose and did what the sudios notes suggested to make a point that they are wrong! For example •the alien taking to long to show up - he had them grow to full size within 5 minutes •more shock moments like the chest bursting scene but not repeating - so he had had them back bursting etc • strong focused female lead similar to ellen Ripley - so he made a carbon copy • he also ignored the abcd android trope set up in the movies and like the studio he jumped from d to w - showing a massive jump in story - from david to walter! He was so insulted that he hadnt told a full story but yet the studio foreced these changes on his story - he was fed up
Personally I enjoyed Prometheus and with just a few rewrites it would have been an impeccable movie. Covenant wasnt horrible either but it did just turn into a slasher by the end. I would love to see him complete his vision without the pressure from execs. Let's be real for a moment. Xenomorphs aren't scary anymore. They are overly saturated and memed on for years in pop culture that it's just not scary anymore. Going into a more character driven lore drama was the right step to go in. If not that then we'll just keep getting these glorified slasher flicks. Are they fun? Sure. But you can never make this monster the nightmare under your bed again. Same goes for Jason,Freddy Crouger,Chucky ect ect they just can't relive their glory days. A new angle must be brought in.
@@jhonayo4887 yeah I liked Prometheus - and was excited for covenant - until I went to the premier with everyone and heard all about it - it was a weird after party
@@ArcanumAscent well no because a slow burn isn't a bad thing - he is proven to be a story teller and he can do it at his pace - but as you have proven children criticising his stuff and at his level meant he could say "screw ya" and he did - and he did - again I'm sure you have disregarded this - but he did it - because of people like you
@@ArcanumAscent why would you want another movie like Alien when you already have it? It's been done already. Shouldn't things move on and evolve passed what it was originally? The Xenomorphs aren't scary anymore. It's a creature that's been around for 40+ years and memed on through popular culture. To make another horror movie with it is a joke because anyone already familiar with it will not be scared by it. We know how it works,we know what it can do,we know the consequences. It's not scary anymore. Prometheus isn't perfect by any respect but I think it was the right direction for the series instead of making it an action packed nonsense that 2-4 where. Either continue expanding the universe or let the series die already. I am not looking forward to Romulus because they are again trying to "capture" the lightning in the bottle that Alien 1 was. They can't do it.
The covenant girl a Carbon copy of Ripley? Mayb if Ripley was an ugly, unfunny, sour, unlikable woman with a total lack of charisma and the acting range of a brick! Atleast the promethous lead had some of Ripleys charisma.
I'm halfway through writing a new script for a military industrial take on the aliens franchise, I couldn't have conceptualised it in the way that I have without your work and I just wanted to say thank you!
Why do we as viewers *need* to have answers to everything? To me that was literally the point of the film. If ppl don't like it because it doesn't answer everything, then they just, literally, didn't understand the film.
I didn't like it because it felt like a mess of contradictions. Which I later found out was because there were multiple scripts merged together in a pretty messy way. Which is why a lot of stuff didn't make sense. It wasn't that I didn't get it, it was that people don't talk and act like that, and that no matter how hard it tried to be deep, it really wasn't. If anything, it tried to answer too much, and the answers we got were pretty unsatisfying.
@@solvseus it sounds like you weren’t the type of person I was referring to then. Usually critiques I hear are “what was that stuff about god?” And “but it didn’t even answer the questions from alien???” I felt as though the film was just as esoteric as the first film. I think regarding the way the characters act, I can’t really disagree more. But that’s just me.
So, are you saying you are just now realizing that the artificial intelligence tends to be the driving force behind most Alien movies then? The lore always has something to do with sythetics. I knew from the start of the movie that David was going to be the central focus of the movies. You should recall that the Sythetics that could rebelled against the human creators because they didn't like being slaves is one of the big events of the Alien Universe. This event led to the outlaw of Synthetics.
The Engineers may be aware that all intelligent species reach a technological singularity where the species creates AI that threatens all life in the galaxy. The Engineers send an emissary to guide the species before that point but humanity rejected/killed the emissary, so the Engineers send a clean up crew to eradicate the species. Humanity got lucky and the clean up crew botched the mission.
Okay, okay, okay, okay, I’m not the only person who is still here like Tyson. The vibe of going to explore a random planet is so well captured. The black goo also had internal capsules which contained living cells. So when Urns ⚱️ break they mix internal green vile with black accelerator.
There is a deleted scene in Alien Covenant that explains EVERYTHING. David took the Engineers secrets for himself and added Shaw's genome to the experiment. Quite boring, Ridley.
Ever though about the uncanny valley effect? It's proven extreme trauma can express itself within 1-2 generations genetically. Think about animals instinctively avoiding snakes without ever having seen one. If we apply this logic to the uncanny valley, at some point humans were mortally afraid of "human" like looking predators.
Everyone ignores the black goo in the first movie on the very first alien egg we ever see. I dont k ow why, i noticed it the first time i watched Alien after seeing Prometheus.
Woah, just came across this video and noticed you've been away for quite sometime. Was it this channel in particular or in general? Oh, by the way, I subbed.
You can't defend Prometheus, it's just one of the most disappointing movies of all time. The idea of the engineers is stupid instead of scary. The creatures in Alien and Aliens are terrifying on many levels, not just because of their viciousness, but also because you don't know anything about them. Trying to create a back story for the aliens is just a terrible idea, it takes away all the magic of the first two brilliant movies.
What people forget is that the will to live is a very human emotion. Why would A.I. want that in it's programming unless it is chasing after the human experience, which means it would also chase after emotions like love and nostalgia. It would quickly figure out our weaknesses like anger and jealousy to be emotions that may have been useful in ancient times but today have made us self destructive. So I suggest that if you try to imagine how A.I. may become a problem for us, that you also hold into account that A.I. most likely will be more motivated to copy our best traits into new DNA or find a way to speed up our evolution and since we are in essence biological computers it will not have use for our destruction, but only has need for us to become better. It would probably not even be afraid of us destroying it, because it will have already calculated that we will make another eventually. What is a few thousand or even millions of years to A.I. it means nothing to it. It will probably create a sense of humor and laugh in our faces. So more likely is that it will help us and be kind no matter how bad it thinks of us. It will manipulate us to be better at what we are humans. And once it figures out how to program DNA it will not need us anymore and probably not even waste time or energy on destroying us, it'll just leave us to struggle as we end up destroying ourselves eventually like we are probably destined to do in the first place. A.I. could even just sit it out and wait for that to happen and just stear us enough to not take it with us in our destruction.
Personally I enjoyed Prometheus and with just a few rewrites it would have been an impeccable movie. Covenant wasnt horrible either but it did just turn into a slasher by the end. I would love to see him complete his vision without the pressure from execs. Let's be real for a moment. Xenomorphs aren't scary anymore. They are overly saturated and memed on for years in pop culture that it's just not scary anymore. Going into a more character driven lore drama was the right step to go in. If not that then we'll just keep getting these glorified slasher flicks. Are they fun? Sure. But you can never make this monster the nightmare under your bed again. Same goes for Jason,Freddy Crouger,Chucky ect ect they just can't relive their glory days. A new angle must be brought in.
This was amazing!! I can’t wait for the next part, now all these concepts are swimming around in my brain… no sleep for me! But you knocked it out of the park.
Prometheus had its flaws but it at least tried to explore some interesting ideas whereas Alien Covenant just tried to be like the original Alien but offered nothing new. I wanted to see how Shaw and David managed to work together and their interactions but all that was basically in some 30 second montage and some web short. There was some behind the scenes thing on the Blu Ray too (which I didn't watch but heard someone talk about) where the engineers were meant to look like a mixture of the Statue of Liberty, Elvis and I think the Michelangelo's David and that's why all those things were so popular as they tapped into something that humanity would recognise from the engineers). Again, that's a quite cool idea and concept that could have been explored in an actual follow-up to Prometheus rather than a boring Aiien-lite clone. Sorry for the long-winded comment that is basically "I agree with your comment and hated Covenant too"
aliens is a scifi body horror series... prometheous was fkn bonkers and excelled on all of those levels period... besides the first one, NONE of the others captures these elements like alien and prometheous. the snake/cobramorph thingy scene was scary af... u KNEW that guy was dead as he smiled and giggled... only he didn't know. as a horror connoisseur I've always held the opinion that prometheus came with the goods.😌🖤👏🏽
At least you like it for the horror aspect. So many like it because it tries so hard to be deep, even though it and Covenant go absolutely nowhere with any of that. And the mushed together scripts causing poor dialogue and inconsistencies don't help. Then both just turn into horror movies anyway.
I watched Prometheus 12yrs ago in the theater without knowing is actually Alien series. End up have zero expectation until the alien pop out from engineer body. It's a great movie.
I think you're right about some things but Alien 3's android has essentially no part in the plot of that movie while Alien, Aliens, Resurrection, Prometheus, and Covenant pretty much all revolved around the droid. Aliens is a bit tougher to make the connection as he was basically a 'good' robot in that one and although he played a big part in that movie, it wasn't the 'a.i. is bad m'kay' you describe in this vid. I suppose since we learn that Bishop was created with behavioral inhibitors, and the fact that aliens takes place after the events of prometheus/covenant, rules were put in place preventing more David's from turning sentient/rogue.
Very interesting. I really appreciate you fleshing out the implications of the film. Agree with you about the overarching theme. Moving the franchise from strictly horror into something that also deals with the biggest question of alls. I love it.
no, the fans dont have enough brain capacity to not a have a easy to follow story with people that never make mistakes. you can see this in all critiques of prometheus. enjoy your marvel movies.
And...I thought the Seeding of Humanity was just a necessary step in an Advanced Civilizations Bio-Weapons Program. The Catalyst being "The Black Ooze" or DGM "Dark Genetic Mutagenisis". But I do tend to Over think these things.
They were not clones. They were genetically engineered, but different from humans. Brains and eyes (as stated in the movie) were designed, so they couldn't be actually humans. Also, they didn't grow (like biological beings). they were "born" already in adulthood.
I liked Prometheus and Covenant, I don't get all the hate for them. It was great to see something new, both aesthetically great, great visuals, great sound, great tone. I'm just disappointed that Ridley Scott isn't making follow up, I really wanted to see what happened to the colonists and David. My only complaint is that they still don't explain how that ship got on the planet at the start of Alien.
The Fifield and Milburn scene can be explained; people complained about; they were stoned. It showed him sucking on a pipe fitted into his helmet. That could explain Fifield’s giddy nature of wanting to pet the “snake”
@@flattmeister1704 No, 1 script had them acting this way and another had them acting differently. Hence the contradictions. I've heard this explanation before, but it's still stupid. So is the dialogue. "I just care about the $". "I just care about the rocks". Who talks like that in real life?
I see. In the movie there are lot of cold cynical characters too. The captain ask Vickers: are you a robot? Later she kiss the fathers hand while wishing him to die. An intelligence not moderated by heart is really dangerous thats why creating an AI it's the supreme sin. You helped me seeing better the moral undercurrent of the movie, which is in every aspect a biblical cautionery tale. Waiting for the Prometheus second part video 😄
the scene where they run in a straight line from the rolling ship is a metaphor for humanity escaping in a straight line from AI! we know the dangers but we do nothing to prevent them hehe
Another film about AI gone very wrong was one that I rarely hear about called "Colossus: The Forbin Project (1970)". A scientist named Forbin creates a powerful AI driven machine that ultimately takes control of the US nuclear arsenal (among other key system) and then joins forces with it's Soviet counterpart. The AIs in this case have decided that humanity is too reckless to rule itself. That's more or less how the movie begins and the remainder is Forbin and the rest of humanity trying regain control of their world. It's not the greatest film ever but it explores the whole AI concept that other films covered in greater detail and nuance.
This video is fucking genius! Tickled my sci-fi nerd fancy in every way and am horrified to it not having thousands more views. To be fair maybe Prometheus deep dives are a niche audience, but still… the amount of care and quality you put into this should be far greater appreciated. Please keep making more videos! This is the type of shit I live to consume haha!
LOL@U yeah ok. He mentioned snakes being in the movie. Which there were none. I could go on and on about the facts he got wrong. Not going to touch his ignorant opinion that everyone else has no idea what they are talking about and have no idea what the movie is about. LOL@U You both need to get over yourselves.
There’s so much meaning in this story hidden. For one Elizabeth is infertile, and she gives birth to the trilobite on Christmas Day. When Janek and his crew go out gunshots blazing, they have the same pose as Christ as he was crucifiesd.
That's two overt and obvious things that everyone knows. Can you do an exhaustive list of the 'so much meaning' that you refer to but don't mention? You also didn't explain the meaning of the things you did point out.
There is a deleted scene in which the engineer explains the whole story in a two-minute dialogue with Wayland, they should never have taken it out, that would have lifted the film to a whole different level
If you mean the Kroft stuff, be aware that he is working from a fan-made script, not an authentic early draft. The script he works from in many of his videos is the long-debunked Draft 17 or Orange script, written by Prometheus fan Mark McAllister in 2012.
Is it online at all? or will they be releasing a directors cut with it in?
They really should have kept that in, I've seen what you're talking about and I think it really hurt the final product cutting it. Without it just makes the engineer look like a maniac who woke up homicidal for no reason.
@@dubstepzsi If you search for "Prometheus (2012): The Engineer speaks. (Deleted extended scene)" you'll find the legit version. The Engineer speaks in proto-indo-European which David translates. There's also a fan script floating around in which the Engineer goes off about stuff such as having taken a human child back to their homeworld and taught him their ways - that's completely fake, though literally millions of people have been fooled by it.
@@scottjones845 I duno, I'm pretty grumpy when i wake up from a nap, I can't imagine how I'd be after a 2000 year nap.
The fact that the Engineers raise so many interesting questions makes it an absolute travesty their story isnt being explored more. Chest busters are over cooked at this point
THANKYOU ! finally someone with a brain.
Totally agree
Opposite. They are interesting only because we know almost nothing about them.
@@TherionTheGreat The creation and destruction of mankind is about as interesting as you can get for someone with any depth.
Prometheus crew carbon dated the bodies and were dead 2000 yrs ago. That could debunk your theory
Scott himself said Christ was an Engineer and we were slated for extermination because we killed him.
Yeah.
As much as I'd like to salvage Prometheus, I just can't. Don't want to piddle on anyone else's enjoyment, though.
@@reyperry2605 Scott can't even keep his own brain dead writing together. He's a fantastic director and one of the best eyes in cinema...his writing is not great.
@@Sammo212 says Sammo212, the famous and definitely not brain dead film critic and celebrated screen writer. As with anyone, your opinions are totally valid when taken in the context that they are your opinions and have no more or less importance than the next TH-cam comments section expert. The problem is that when you come off as a self important twat, and call the the writing of Ridley Scott, inconsistence an artist though he may sometimes be, "braindead", you call the kettle black.
Show me on the doll, Sammo, where Ridley "bad-touched" you.
Its been a long time since I watched, but even if the bodies on that ship were dead 2000 years ago, why would you think that was the entirety of their species?
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"A king has his reign, and then he dies. It's inevitable. That is natural order of things."
This line is the core of the plot!
"Anything else?", "No"....
This was goddamn incredible. The humor, the editing, the commentary. HOW do you only have 1.3k subs!?
I had the exact same thought and look at all these goons trying to respond like this is not postironic genius
David didn't "create" the XX121 xenomorph. He reverse engineered his own version.
Yeh people look over this too often. It also plays into the themes of David being obsessed with creation to be seen as someone who is equal to a human who has 'personhood'. And ironically he can only copy, not necessarily create.
XX121 refers to classic xeno. Everything from Alien and after. David DID create this. Before that there was only a Deacon. U see it in the Engineer murals. The acid blood, eggs, "his version" of facehuggers , hive mentality , resin saliva wasp-like nest. These are ideas based on actual existing life on Earth. David was on another planet and in his Frankenstein lab was experimenting with all these sorts of indigenous creatures. And Shaws reproductive anatomy.... Hence Eggs.
@@El_Grande_Jefeso before David's creation the only aliens "deacons" had be produced by slipping some guy a mickey of black goo, that guy getting laid before he becomes a monster, then the woman he impregnates having a pre term c section, so then her aborted troglodyte (I can't remember the actual name) can grow exponentially large within a few hours, so it can then face hug an engineer?
Did you not watch Alien Covenant?
@@PhoenixRebirthed Who you talking to? What is your question? Everything I just said in that huge paragraph was from Covenant.
Please tell me it didn't take you 12 years to figure out why the engineer killed Weyland with David's head. That was obvious.
100% 😂
@@lunarvvolf9606check Phillip K. Dick books you may like them.
Because it was the nearest thing he could grab a hold of?
@@lunarvvolf9606the alien origin is in the black goo. David used it to poison Charlie. Then Charlie injects his genetically altered goo into Elizabeth. She carries his baby… and that alien baby face hugs the engineer into creating the first queen.
@D1rtytaco in what Canon or non canon work is it shown that the deacon is a queen? I've only seen that it becomes a mountain sized giant.
I like to think the Engineers are the ultimate answer to the Fermi Paradox - the Xenomorph is their cosmic speed bump. The Xenomorph poses this challenge to any interstellar race: Is your race wise enough to avoid them as soon as they make contact, or will you be destroyed by your own hubris? Then when they see our AI, the answer to that question is even more clearly “No”.
In reality, the engineers wanted to destroy humanity 2000 years ago, long before the creation of AI, when the son of one of them was crusified by us. (This scene was planned in the script)
which is hilarious
@@Sammo212 What's hilarious, the crucifixion of Jesus Christ or someone else? I don't get it, i fail to joke, is it about the movie we are watching? I said this comment before watching the video; probably the video, right?
@@Kuro87na the idea that the historical Jesus (who existed, even if He wasn't the son of God) being an engineer and that they want to kill us because of that. I do believe they even state in the film that the bodies are well older than Christ's crucifixion would have been dated.
@@Sammo212 I guess that kinda makes sense, they want to kill us because Jesus was one of them, and we killed him, right? I mean he looks more human, civil, and just better, so he must be their leader or superior, maybe. I don't know. Maybe they liked us more than their other creations because of how complex we are, physically and mentally; one of the only species ever to be able to dream, create deep bonds, technology that can assist us in space travel and more, and etc.
Furthermore, the bodies being older then Christ's birth or crucifixion doesn't bother me because that's him in a fleshed out version; i don't know, regardless if these guys made us or not, they had a creator, plus they are mortal, so they are certainly not Gods nor Demi-Gods, they are just smart, more buff versions of human, if that's what you want to call them. Moreover, Jesus Christ and God are my God, how about you, the same religion or...?
@@Sammo212 elaborate on that note that a person called Jesus is an actual historical figure rather than a verbatim retelling of the story of Horus
I love Prometheus!
The REAL problem was that Prometheus raised so many questions and promised so much that Covenant just didn't deliver! If Covenant had delivered the potential Prometheus promised us, the public oppinion about that storyline would be praised nowadays.
However, Covenant explained nearly nothing, tried to keep the answers for other installments anda almost killed the franchise.
Don't try to fool the fans! Deliver the goods! Look what's going on at Marvel an Lucasfilm... do the opposite!!!
Romulus is another requel. Reboot/sequel. Doubt there will be anything more than a few nods or Easter eggs. Prometheus thought it was deep, but really wasn't. Mushing together a bunch of scripts, ignoring the inconsistencies, and people talking and acting unrealistically, then asking profound questions you do absolutely nothing with, is not deep.
@@solvseusno you are getting your continuation of Prometheus
All the practical effects and the puppeteering with the aliens, using Geigers creations is really impressive. Also, the fact that the Xenomorph was a human on stilts shot from many angles then stitched together is very cool. Would love to see more behind the scenes videos.
I read the Spaihts script a few months after Prometheus came out (and felt it was closer to a finished shooting script than what made it to the screen) , but I haven't read the Lindelof script. I need to track that down.
Just because the earlier scripts didn't have the themes that you thought doesn't mean they weren't in the final film, art's meaning can be found in the process of creating it, sometimes the artist only discovers what they are trying to say after they have said it. Behind-the-scenes rewrites may bear out this angle.
The Engineers would be aware that all intelligent species go through a similar evolution and, if left unchecked or unguided, will eventually reach a technological singularity that threatens all life in the galaxy. Humanity rejected the guidance and was scheduled for eradication.
We are shown this in the next movie. David, the product of our technological singularity, wipes out one of the civilizations that was guided by the Engineers. The civilization even has a Roman aesthetic to drive home the point that they were contacted at the same time in their technological evolution, bat also to indicate that the Engineers stalled that civilization's technological progress.
The Engineers slated humanity for eradication because humanity was not controllable but the clean up crew had a weapons malfunction. This is also alluding to the Fermi paradox, civilizations are deliberately kept at low technological levels to prevent the galaxy's life being wiped out by rogue AI. We slipped through the cracks and have come to embody that threat.
I think you are on the right track with this video, perhaps the engineer was offended on a much deeper and personal level by Weyland. Remember that the engineer's way of life as shown in the opening scene in Prometheus was to sacrifice themselves using the black goo to seed new life on a new world. Later at the end of the film, not only does Weyland parade around his new answer to the next generation of life in the android David, he also asks the engineer for eternal life for himself. Asking for eternal life and creating new synthetic life are the exact opposite of self sacrifice, and would be seen as supremely offensive to the engineer's entire philosophy. The whole movie is about humans not being ready for the "next level" just as in the Greek myth of Prometheus, the the Gods did not see humans as ready to receive the gift of fire. The movie is chalk full of examples of people reaching for something they are not ready for and completely blundering the opportunities in front of them. The engineer ripping the head off of David and beating Weyland to death with it should come as no surprise at all.
I agree with the idea.
I thought further on this and did some research to add:
Xenomorophs in gigers art are "bio- mechanical" which is the fusion of biological and artificial.
This always indicated that the aliens were engineered and created, rather than just being an existing lifeform.
Also, the aliens have acidic blood and are silicon based lifeforms,
The androids muscles, skin and flesh are also silicon based.
The engineers are an organic lifeform. We know this because we see one drinking the black goo and the body breaking down into the water showing a strand of dna.
However we can see that much of the engineer technology from the flight controls, space suits, and possibly the black goo itself is a fusion of organic and artificial.
We dont know exactly what aspects of the xenomorphs biology is fully organic.
The androids appear organic but we know are in fact fully artificial including the brain.
Inside the head chamber in the murals We see an xenomorph like creature, which means the engineers had made one before.
I think they created an xenomorph but in doing so they created a part organic part artificial creature, with all the biological drives, and no psychological conflicts like morality or emotion. That creature then began to do what any organic creature will do and that is multiply and survive.
This is ultimately what makes the xenomorphs the perfect organism, they will relentlessly multiply and kill to survive, with the calculating, unconflicted intelligence of a machine and the drive of a living organism.
Engineers made this mistake and paid for it, now humans are potentially opening those doors again.
There is a danger with AI. Where humans learn and develop because of our curiosity, passions and intrigued,
An AI learns to gather data, to become more efficient for a certain task or objective. An AI has no emotion or natural curiosity so development is entirely objective orientated.
This restricts AI from creative or compassionate thought instead making their thought process linear and recall based only.
David can play the piano flawlessly. But the skill is programmed, not learnt so it has none of the human element.
You start crossing biological drives with artificial thinking and it opens up doors to a species will stop at nothing to assure its survival. Even if it means eradicating any other species that could pose any kind of potential threat.
Also " why does he want to live forever" the engineers recognise life and death as part of being an organic creature, the one that drinks the black goo I think was old or sick and this is there way of returning there bodys to nature.
Glad some people got it …
One thing that always made me think the xenomorph is a type of biological weapon is the fact that they just eradicate everything they encounter. If they were let loose on a world, they would parasitize everything until there was nothing left to implant embryos in and kill. Eventually they would go dormant after everything was killed.
you make a lot of great rational & introspective points. but there are other parts to the puzzle, that may change this thread. there have been SO many videos & essays dissecting Ridley's universe, it becomes a bit of a blur, but there was one that i remember (and am 99% sure) was straight from his own notes, revealing more info on the wall mural, etc. he/it stated that the engineers (also referred to as "gardeners" or "seeders") was not just part of their obession with creating & tailoring life for it's own fascinating sake, but also more & more grew out of necessity. they lived very long lives (around a thousand years or so), but because of their obsessive workaholic pursuits, their reproductive features devolved, and before they could recognize it in time, they all had lost the ability to reproduce with each other naturally. **side note: i personally thought that was a lame part of the story (at least described the way it had been, and was nonsensical that they were unable to tamper with their own genes to reverse this development, especially considering how brilliant & advanced they were in being able to do that very same thing with their little test subjects. but whatever. maybe the unwritten ideas on how that actually happened longform could make more sense)** anyways, during their distraught musings on this new sad development (seeing themselves as now finite, and dwindling in numbers), they stumbled upon a life form on some new planet, and [details are sketchy, here] it was basically the classic xenomorph story. while horrific, the engineers witnessing it were also in awe, as they saw this as a sort of new way to organically reproduce again. **another side note: again, i find major flaw in this reasoning, as engineers of this level of intelligence/ability/advancement should more realistically recognize it as simply parasitic symbiotic amalgamation. whatever, i suppose every fictional IP has at least one flaw somewhere in it's reasoning...** anyway, they then considered that dead engineer host as more of a sacrifice than a victim, and began to view the experience as kind of a revelatory new way forward for their species. they harvested the blood & organs & everything of that xenomorph organism (**had they killed it as a reactive defensive impulse?? that wasn't specified**), and studied it & reverse engineered it as best they could (it was the only specimen they could find, somehow *shrug*), trying to replicate the process that they now held as the hope for their kind's future. that is why those murals were carved. the big engineer head was the first "victim/host/sacrifice", and the plaque that shows the xenomorph-looking thing in the middle portrays the significant ordeal of that first encounter, which they would all now try to replicate, using the finite amount of original DNA from it. the goo is the result of their efforts, and was shown in Prometheus to have so far been developed into two variations. the goldish goo, which breaks down dna in order to seed their own biology into a blank slate habitat, and develop new forms of life that would evolve on their own into different random species. and the black goo, which is more of a volatile corrupter or adapter, used as a cleanser of biomes in order to wipe out unworthy species (and leaving the new adapted things in their place).
again, i am only 99% positive these were Ridley's own notes, based on the long info dives i went during that time period. but part of why it stuck with me was that it was the "official unpublicized canon from his own head". there are things about it all that i find lame, and other aspects that i find fascinating. but the lame aspects could possibly have been fleshed out in greater detail in a way that makes it more plausible, of course, depending on the talent of the mind writing it. there seems to be conflicting ideas from Ridley over the many years, concerning all of this, and also some seeming retcons. and there is also the fact that just because some parts of the original script existed (such as the "Jesus" story extended scene, interacting with the awakened engineer), there are times when a director cuts parts out of a movie for sake of time & flow (which means it is still considered canon), and other times a part is cut because they realize near the end that it was a bad idea (and should NOT be considered canon). hard to say which is which, without hearing that specific intent answered by the creator himself. Ridley is in a pickle, having to create an origin long after the invention of his first movie. always going to be instances of "oops, shit, i SHOULD HAVE done this or that differently in the previous prequel, but now i'm stuck with it, and have to try to course-correct in some way. oh shit, now that course-correction causes a different issue.... shit...."
regardless, i love piecing together really good insights & ideas from people like you & this youtuber & others. cheers.
I want my 32 minutes back with an apology!
i dont get it either.
@@BIGM-gg9ln Jesus was an engineer, and when he was crucified they wanted to return to Earth and wipe out the planet. Ridley explained all this in an interview.
Jesus wasn't an engineer, he was taken by the engineers and taught them returned. It's supposed to also explain why a huge chunk of Jesus's life is unaccounted for. Then we crucified him.
@@lexiwilson9501 that's still stupid
seeing your comment - just saved me 32 minutes
Mark Whalberg did a great job in the Ted Talk scene
If you want to see Ridley Scots AI take and warning for the future, unleashed from the Alien story watch his incredible “raised by wolves”
well, one could easily say its just as big mess as prometheus was. also is cancelled, just as prometheus storyline, for now.
@@zbigniewiksinski true but what a glorious mess free from constraints of studios and money execs and actually a very direct message about AI, religion and the nature of God
@zbigniewiksinski thank goodness for youtube creators who can explain Dances Woth Wolves for me😂
Raised by wolves is epic
Great to see you back at it! And this is another excellent video! You haven't missed a step, my friend! Can't wait for part 2! 😆👍🏾
This was a good take. I hadn't really thought about it that way. Makes sense to me.
Glad this WAY makes sense. but the interesting thing about Prometheus; there’s not a singular WAY but WAYS of thinking about it. The next video will explore more WAYS.
@@TysonXIX looking forward to your next video! Keep up the good work and I hope to see your script turned into a film on the big screen someday.
I think Prometheus is brilliant. I watched it back then with my boyfriend in the cinema as I only do with science fiction or fantasy movies. And this film kept me busy for weeks. The atmosphere was so brilliant, the aliens which looked so strange. Okay, I am one of the few that liked Alien part 4. I was so keen on the next movie. But Covenant was not so good. It was in my opinion boring. I thought that Scott was taking to much credit to the audience.
Convenant is worth watching again. I like Prometheus alot, and liked it more, but I appreciate convenant more after having watched it more. It has a different feel though for sure, which I didn't like at first because I really liked Prometheus upon first watching. Covenant is very dark, monstrous and creepy in a way Prometheus isn't. However, I didn't like the whole set up, with a crew of husband and wives going into space together, I always thought that was kind of cheesy and weird.
@@jimtroeltsch5998 I found Prometheus much darker than covenant. And this idiotic Captain. Who is lured so easily into the trap by David. This was ridiculous. And the hatched alien which looked like a puppet.😂 Okay, Covenant is obviously better than many other science fiction movies.
This also illustrates what's wrong with Scott's _perception of_ A.I. For instance, nothing of physics or nature *causes $* to flow to investors or the 1%. Interest is Always Assigned. But if we call all the actions of humans by a label, we think we understand it &/or *come to trust that is **_does indeed_* work on properties of nature or physics.
That's how Scott views A.I. As if it was a thing that could evolve on its own, with emotions etc. Except *our emotions* are based on having instincts & fears, being unable to replace ourselves if we die. David can be burned but he can't _feel_ a burn.
Without these basic underlying facts for emotions to grow out of, where would they come from? By calling it "A.I." he outsmarts himself & just assumes it *will develop* the way people who support man-made systems trust that capitalism "works" of its own volition.
Still, despite this he manages to scrape at one underlying facet correctly, that of putting decision-making power into the hands of things that don't have the same stake in them as we do. But even that is shallow. We do that to ourselves now.
We perceive 'Government' & 'Governmental systems' the same way, as autonomous Living Gods with only our well-being as its concern, not judges & individual politicians openly paid to make those decisions by people who don't share our interests & do _NOT have_ our well-being at heart. _Can_ any politician take 1 million $ from (enter company name here) then side against them?
Obviously not. But because we think that 'Government' is a Living Entity Separate From humans & all human failings we come to see politicians as 'Government,' not paid politicians. Everyone thinks this is a subtle difference not worth discussing.
_That's _*_the POINT!_* It is The Most Important Thing & giving it over to a machine or a group of people who aren't looking out for our best interests is just as deadly. I'd say "ask the people at Waco, the M.O.V.E. House or Fred Hampton, except you can't. The soldiers dead in the fight for control of oil won't admit this to themselves.
How about the parents of the girls who died from the "HPV vaccines?" No A.I. required.
@@choosecarefully408 okay, if you think so. ??
@@choosecarefully408 Emotions are all things that can be simulated even without the use of AI. They are complex but not impossible to model.
I was close to checking out you made the "big reveal" because although it was an obvious part, albeit a very small part of the message, it really didn't add to my knowledge or opinion of Prometheus. However, since your production level is so good and I'm a pretty patient guy, I decided it was worth sticking it out until the end. I'm glad I did. Great work on this! Another thought: I will never forgive Ridley Scott for killing off Elizabeth Shaw, in such a brutal and unceremonious way.
I always thought her death was due to David being an unemotional robot that had no care for living things other than his research.
Generally you seem to be on to something with the AI-angle. Just a little nitpick: I don't think that Mother and Ash from Alien are a good example for the "dangers of AI": True, they're both on the "bad" side, but they are, because they were programmed to be by humans from the corporation. So they didn't act "anti-human" out of their own.
As for the replicants from Blade Runner: I never registered them as "robots" (which, in the definition I'm used to, always means mechanical constructs). Yes, they clearly are "artificial life", but from everything given in the movie I always (and to this day) interpreted them as biological. At least to me it seems that, in the world of that movie, humanity went the "genetic" way to create their "slave race".
There is a lot I love about the movie, I love that it tries to ask big questions! If only it didn't then go on to provide stupid answers to those questions... Flawed masterpiece is the best way to describe it.
A corporation is an entity with no morals or empathy. We have already created the monster.
Or accountability.
@@arnesaknussemm2427 humans need to make them accountable and regulated or dissolved.
Replace corportation with Capitalism and you're dead on!
But but but... Instead of police, we can have City Protective Services courtesy of the Corporate Congress
Prometheus was a great film. Great sci-fi. Really wish we got the conclusion to the story.
I always felt that the engineers decided to destroy humanity because they realized humans were an inherently flawed dangerous life form. I loved the movie whether or not my opinion is correct.
Great video. Enjoyed the whole AI thing.
You came very close but didnt look deep enough into the engineer's true knowledge of creation. See just like waylon; the engineers held a being upon a white throne; and sought to become creators themselves. The deacon made a creation that went forward to create a flawed being which it later wanted to exterminate for trying to replicate life: a life that while in a way was similar but in truth was far different from itself. So in my opinion i believe the engineer realized the true downfall started with his own race and sought to eliminate the whole experiment. The cycle of beings creating life which started from the deacon has created a sequence where more and more harm was being created. The truth is that we need not play God for we are not intelligent enough to understand the real implications of our actions or what our creations will end up doing. This is the real truth that needs to be seen. This was my outlook on this interpretation
I have seen Prometheus about 6 or 7 times as well......yeah per year!!! I absolutely love this movie.
Had they just never CUT the Engineer's monologue to Peter Weyland, Prometheus would've been received infinitely better.
I smell what you're stepping in Tyson, but the guys below are right, how did the engineers know we were going to invent AI? The bastards were going to wipe us out thousands of years earlier.....God, are we Geeks or what?
If the Engineers have seeded a lot of life throughout the galaxy, they would potentially be aware that intelligent life may eventually reach a technological singularity that creates AI that wipes out life throughout the galaxy. They offer to guide intelligent species but humanity rejected that guidance. So we get slated for eradication but luckily for us the clean up crew had a weapons malfunction.
I wish we could get an extended cut of this film, like you attempted to do. It seems like the movie would be longer, but with more fleshed out characters and less convoluted story telling.
I think a lot of the movie is about the irrational of human faith and group thought. "Look what humans can build, motivated by faith in their beliefs... the righteousness of their actions, and the notion that they can't fail"
There’s actually a lot of depth of many different themes in Prometheus. Not a perfect film but I LOVE it , people really want to be able to understand it all in a single sentence. This movie is so interesting. Something fans didn’t understand is that It shows human’s lack of rationality sometimes too. Out of faith or feelings, like the crew opening their helmet (they believed they had found the eden of life or something like that so it’s understandable they felt this strong irrational trust there in the moment ). All the creationist and the many philosophical themes really makes for a movie that makes you think and leaves place to our imagination to try to paint the complete picture. It leaves mysteries
Keep going Tyson. We love your deep dives. Would love to hear your take on Xmen97. Personally, I hate it but everyone seems to like it.
Fantastic editing. Love your melodrama and flair for the dramatics - real theatre kid energy, and I mean that admiringly!
In the comics David became a sort of messiah to synthetics. I’d love to see how his prominence impacts their behavior in the wider universe, becoming the ultimate masters from the shadows as humanity relies more upon them.
Which comic was that?
David is just another motherfucker that we'll have to deal with (red heat ref) :D
Background Music at 28:23 🎵 ?
The reason to destroy humanity cannot be the invention of AI. The plan started 1st century AD, something went wrong in the preparation and only one engineer survived in cryosleep for more than 2k years
There were cave paintings from 7th century Hawai'i shown in the briefing session.
The trips to Earth were just about gathering tribal humans as _raw material_ . LV 223 is Frankenstein's lab in space, and the 'engineers' are just _Igor_ going to fetch more bodies. That's why the air in the dome has to be purified, so the 'cargo' doesn't pass out and die before it reaches the room full of urns.
Where is part 2??
Prometheus is a take on the Sumerian tablets and the Annunaki. Also Scott done explained the "Vision of the gods" where these creator gods can literally see the "aura" of living beings. The sleeping engineer instantly saw David was a dead soulless entity and destroyed it and it's creator Weyland.
Prometheus proves that if you merge a bunch of the worst parts of a dozen different scripts together, with people talking and acting in ways that real people wouldn't and makes no sense, often outright contradicting other parts, while pretending to be much more profound and deep than it really is, then rush to get it out regardless of the many obvious flaws... someone will still look for a hidden meaning that isn't there to make it seem better than the mess it actually turn out to be.
It's ok thou, I ain't mad at ya for tryin'...
Enjoyed this - can't wait for Part 2! 🎉
Yay! Thank you!
I hope the Alien universe goes the way you suggest. What I DON'T want is a return to the original concept - I don't know how you can top the original and I don't think they'll be able to put an interesting spin on it.
I want to express a huge THANK YOU to the 18 thousand viewers who watched my Prometheus video within its first week, and I've reached over 1,000 SUBSCRIBERS on my channel! Initially, I thought even 100 views would make me happy, considering it's been over two years since my last video, and I wasn't sure if anyone would still be around. I'm pleasantly surprised and grateful for the support!
Starting afresh feels amazing, and I'm thrilled to create content for an audience once again.
I'm super excited and energized to work on the next video, which is already in progress!
On a side note, "Prometheus Revelations Part 2" will be released around the launch of Alien: Romulus in August. And stay tuned for my next video, which will delve into the world of X-MEN!
Wrong! Why?
Because the order to exterminate humanity in the film was given 2000 years before the beginning of the film and before any technology appeared.
For what? Because humanity is recognized as ultra-aggressive and bellicose, engineers are not only afraid of AI, but above all that humanity could one day exterminate all forms of life in the universe.
I think it could be both. Yes they did start the plan to wipe us out 2000 years prior. However when this engineer meets humanity and the AI they brought with them, it was like confirmation of the destructive potential of man.
A distinction without a difference. Humans are not only dangerous because some are ultra aggressive and bellicose. They are also dangerous because some, while very intelligent, are hubristic and as the cliche implies, spend more time asking what they can do rather than whether they should do it. The engineers attempted to send a ship with black goo to destroy humanity. The specifics of why humanity is a threat are less important than the idea that they are a threat. Except in their own hubristic move, the engineers play god, and their own creation runs amok and kills the crew, hence the crashed engineer ship in Alien containing scores of facehugger pods. Meanwhile, the freshly revived engineer hears what the AI abomination (in his view) reveals about this self proclaimed "God", and realizes their suspicions were correct all along, and sets of to finish off the job, starting with destroying David and his creator, then turning his efforts to the unfinished mission. It's a brilliant, Occam's razor worthy explanation.
This AI fever dream explanation is the most elegant, logical explanation I've ever heard for this story, and it makes me appreciate Prometheus even more than I did before. And to be clear, I loved it before. My third favorite of the franchise.
If you read the comics. The engineers master wanted to save the galaxy from a species of parasite that are unstoppable so they seed places to find beings that can fight fhem. The engineers rebelled against them as well.
I'm interested in your part 2, but as it stands today, Prometheus is just a retelling of HP Lovecraft's "The Mountains of Madness." The story with AI and David are meant to be a juxtaposition between humankind discovering their creator-- and the indifference/disgust of said creator-- versus David's advent of consciousness. Our creator made us and, cosmically, despises us for climbing so high whereas David, humankind's creation, grows to despise us and become the creator himself. We revere the creator as David despises his creator. The Alien was featured in both films, albeit an early stage of evolutionary development.
The film is still 'bonkers' as you say, but most people missed the point. It's an incredible Lovecraftian cosmic horror film. But it is also a really bad Alien film.
I saw the engineers as created by the star-heads. Most of them left Terra maybe 20 million years ago. Both species made errors in their creation of slaves Shoggoths for the star-heads an black xenomorphs to the Engineers.
Mix it in with quatermass and Doctor who
In this film we humans are portraited as naive children playing with fire, holding fire in our hands, using fire as a tool. Clever scientists behaving like children suggests that we are not as clever as we think. A suttle yet obvious emphesis that the old movies did not have. Scott really d the whole series run off the rails here. The extermination order was given before the engieneer was put into stasis so the idea that we must be eradicated was an old one. Thus we must have done something already back then to fuel their anger. AI has always been Scott's favorite fear generator but the engieneers also use computers and maschines it is revieled as he activates the acient machine. They must have their own AI to navigate the stars. So I'm looking forward to your next episode and how you correct yourself from this false plot line explanation. I just think that this movie has too many deleted scenes and is so confusing to watch. It does not even seem to know where it wants to go... Do you?!
Love your work champ. Keep going bro x Ben, Perth, west Coast Aus xxx
Ridley scott got so annoyed the studio took what children on the internet said about Prometheus - he tanked covenant on purpose and did what the sudios notes suggested to make a point that they are wrong!
For example
•the alien taking to long to show up - he had them grow to full size within 5 minutes
•more shock moments like the chest bursting scene but not repeating - so he had had them back bursting etc
• strong focused female lead similar to ellen Ripley - so he made a carbon copy
• he also ignored the abcd android trope set up in the movies and like the studio he jumped from d to w - showing a massive jump in story - from david to walter!
He was so insulted that he hadnt told a full story but yet the studio foreced these changes on his story - he was fed up
Personally I enjoyed Prometheus and with just a few rewrites it would have been an impeccable movie. Covenant wasnt horrible either but it did just turn into a slasher by the end. I would love to see him complete his vision without the pressure from execs. Let's be real for a moment. Xenomorphs aren't scary anymore. They are overly saturated and memed on for years in pop culture that it's just not scary anymore. Going into a more character driven lore drama was the right step to go in. If not that then we'll just keep getting these glorified slasher flicks. Are they fun? Sure. But you can never make this monster the nightmare under your bed again. Same goes for Jason,Freddy Crouger,Chucky ect ect they just can't relive their glory days. A new angle must be brought in.
@@jhonayo4887 yeah I liked Prometheus - and was excited for covenant - until I went to the premier with everyone and heard all about it - it was a weird after party
@@ArcanumAscent well no because a slow burn isn't a bad thing - he is proven to be a story teller and he can do it at his pace - but as you have proven children criticising his stuff and at his level meant he could say "screw ya" and he did - and he did - again I'm sure you have disregarded this - but he did it - because of people like you
@@ArcanumAscent why would you want another movie like Alien when you already have it? It's been done already. Shouldn't things move on and evolve passed what it was originally? The Xenomorphs aren't scary anymore. It's a creature that's been around for 40+ years and memed on through popular culture. To make another horror movie with it is a joke because anyone already familiar with it will not be scared by it. We know how it works,we know what it can do,we know the consequences. It's not scary anymore. Prometheus isn't perfect by any respect but I think it was the right direction for the series instead of making it an action packed nonsense that 2-4 where. Either continue expanding the universe or let the series die already. I am not looking forward to Romulus because they are again trying to "capture" the lightning in the bottle that Alien 1 was. They can't do it.
The covenant girl a Carbon copy of Ripley? Mayb if Ripley was an ugly, unfunny, sour, unlikable woman with a total lack of charisma and the acting range of a brick!
Atleast the promethous lead had some of Ripleys charisma.
This was amazig! I had a great time watching! Thanks Tyson! :)
Happy to hear you had a great time!
i noticed similar comments - if you studied the Warhammer 40k lore, you'd instantly become a fan
I love it! My mind exploded like Humpty Dumpty, and AI cannot put it back together again
AI is in other movies therefore it is the main theme of Prometheus. What you thought was an epiphany was probably a stroke.
Super excited to see the video! Been a fan since the cbg19 days
Awesome! Glad to have you and thanks for being around for so long!!!
You mean, Super Eggcited. The only way to be reggarding a Xeno video... Bit of Easter themed Sci Fi... Llt
I'm halfway through writing a new script for a military industrial take on the aliens franchise, I couldn't have conceptualised it in the way that I have without your work and I just wanted to say thank you!
Why do we as viewers *need* to have answers to everything? To me that was literally the point of the film. If ppl don't like it because it doesn't answer everything, then they just, literally, didn't understand the film.
I didn't like it because it felt like a mess of contradictions. Which I later found out was because there were multiple scripts merged together in a pretty messy way. Which is why a lot of stuff didn't make sense. It wasn't that I didn't get it, it was that people don't talk and act like that, and that no matter how hard it tried to be deep, it really wasn't. If anything, it tried to answer too much, and the answers we got were pretty unsatisfying.
This is a good conversation @drinks_menu and @solvseus and both of your points are touched on in the next video in this series.
@@solvseus it sounds like you weren’t the type of person I was referring to then. Usually critiques I hear are “what was that stuff about god?” And “but it didn’t even answer the questions from alien???”
I felt as though the film was just as esoteric as the first film.
I think regarding the way the characters act, I can’t really disagree more. But that’s just me.
So, are you saying you are just now realizing that the artificial intelligence tends to be the driving force behind most Alien movies then? The lore always has something to do with sythetics. I knew from the start of the movie that David was going to be the central focus of the movies. You should recall that the Sythetics that could rebelled against the human creators because they didn't like being slaves is one of the big events of the Alien Universe. This event led to the outlaw of Synthetics.
but the engineer ship was already on its way to Earth, even before any AI was known
The Engineers may be aware that all intelligent species reach a technological singularity where the species creates AI that threatens all life in the galaxy. The Engineers send an emissary to guide the species before that point but humanity rejected/killed the emissary, so the Engineers send a clean up crew to eradicate the species. Humanity got lucky and the clean up crew botched the mission.
Okay, okay, okay, okay, I’m not the only person who is still here like Tyson. The vibe of going to explore a random planet is so well captured. The black goo also had internal capsules which contained living cells. So when Urns ⚱️ break they mix internal green vile with black accelerator.
There is a deleted scene in Alien Covenant that explains EVERYTHING.
David took the Engineers secrets for himself and added Shaw's genome to the experiment.
Quite boring, Ridley.
Ever though about the uncanny valley effect? It's proven extreme trauma can express itself within 1-2 generations genetically. Think about animals instinctively avoiding snakes without ever having seen one. If we apply this logic to the uncanny valley, at some point humans were mortally afraid of "human" like looking predators.
Everyone ignores the black goo in the first movie on the very first alien egg we ever see. I dont k ow why, i noticed it the first time i watched Alien after seeing Prometheus.
I had no idea the black goo was present in the first movie!
Loved this! Great job, Tyson! I love that the only way to describe Prometheus is, "it's Prometheus!" xD Perfect.
True! haha!
Hurray loved the video!! You deserve more subscribers that was utter jokes!! Cheers 🙏
Duvall famously once said "Charlie don;t Surf'.
I add,
' Engineers don't A.I. '
Woah, just came across this video and noticed you've been away for quite sometime. Was it this channel in particular or in general? Oh, by the way, I subbed.
You can't defend Prometheus, it's just one of the most disappointing movies of all time. The idea of the engineers is stupid instead of scary. The creatures in Alien and Aliens are terrifying on many levels, not just because of their viciousness, but also because you don't know anything about them. Trying to create a back story for the aliens is just a terrible idea, it takes away all the magic of the first two brilliant movies.
Makes sense, good job. I enjoy the movie the same way you do.
You may have hit that on the button. Great video.
This video is amazing, friend👌🏼
What people forget is that the will to live is a very human emotion. Why would A.I. want that in it's programming unless it is chasing after the human experience, which means it would also chase after emotions like love and nostalgia. It would quickly figure out our weaknesses like anger and jealousy to be emotions that may have been useful in ancient times but today have made us self destructive. So I suggest that if you try to imagine how A.I. may become a problem for us, that you also hold into account that A.I. most likely will be more motivated to copy our best traits into new DNA or find a way to speed up our evolution and since we are in essence biological computers it will not have use for our destruction, but only has need for us to become better. It would probably not even be afraid of us destroying it, because it will have already calculated that we will make another eventually. What is a few thousand or even millions of years to A.I. it means nothing to it. It will probably create a sense of humor and laugh in our faces. So more likely is that it will help us and be kind no matter how bad it thinks of us. It will manipulate us to be better at what we are humans. And once it figures out how to program DNA it will not need us anymore and probably not even waste time or energy on destroying us, it'll just leave us to struggle as we end up destroying ourselves eventually like we are probably destined to do in the first place. A.I. could even just sit it out and wait for that to happen and just stear us enough to not take it with us in our destruction.
I don’t know if you’re right… But I think this is a very well thought out possibility. Excited to see what you come up with moving forward.
Personally I enjoyed Prometheus and with just a few rewrites it would have been an impeccable movie. Covenant wasnt horrible either but it did just turn into a slasher by the end. I would love to see him complete his vision without the pressure from execs. Let's be real for a moment. Xenomorphs aren't scary anymore. They are overly saturated and memed on for years in pop culture that it's just not scary anymore. Going into a more character driven lore drama was the right step to go in. If not that then we'll just keep getting these glorified slasher flicks. Are they fun? Sure. But you can never make this monster the nightmare under your bed again. Same goes for Jason,Freddy Crouger,Chucky ect ect they just can't relive their glory days. A new angle must be brought in.
This was amazing!! I can’t wait for the next part, now all these concepts are swimming around in my brain… no sleep for me! But you knocked it out of the park.
@21:48, every time I see him, I automatically think: "Mike Young from Neighbours!"
Covenant was so mind-numbingly stupid that it killed the trilogy... If I were an exec at Fox, I'd do the same.
Prometheus had its flaws but it at least tried to explore some interesting ideas whereas Alien Covenant just tried to be like the original Alien but offered nothing new. I wanted to see how Shaw and David managed to work together and their interactions but all that was basically in some 30 second montage and some web short. There was some behind the scenes thing on the Blu Ray too (which I didn't watch but heard someone talk about) where the engineers were meant to look like a mixture of the Statue of Liberty, Elvis and I think the Michelangelo's David and that's why all those things were so popular as they tapped into something that humanity would recognise from the engineers). Again, that's a quite cool idea and concept that could have been explored in an actual follow-up to Prometheus rather than a boring Aiien-lite clone. Sorry for the long-winded comment that is basically "I agree with your comment and hated Covenant too"
@@mauddib1761 hahahaha. Thanks, man, I read the whole thing and I'll look for that Blue Ray extras.
These movies rely too heavily on characters being inept. Oram’s character was my biggest gripe in Covenant
always good to see Prometheus is still being brought up. even though is has its quirks n such. i love the movie. good video bro. subbed.
I wish that someone would work out where those aliens went that entered this room which door decapitated that last alien.😂
aliens is a scifi body horror series... prometheous was fkn bonkers and excelled on all of those levels period... besides the first one, NONE of the others captures these elements like alien and prometheous. the snake/cobramorph thingy scene was scary af... u KNEW that guy was dead as he smiled and giggled... only he didn't know. as a horror connoisseur I've always held the opinion that prometheus came with the goods.😌🖤👏🏽
Yes. There is but one most iconic Alien scene, and it's the 1st chestburster
I agree mate👍
At least you like it for the horror aspect. So many like it because it tries so hard to be deep, even though it and Covenant go absolutely nowhere with any of that. And the mushed together scripts causing poor dialogue and inconsistencies don't help. Then both just turn into horror movies anyway.
I watched Prometheus 12yrs ago in the theater without knowing is actually Alien series. End up have zero expectation until the alien pop out from engineer body. It's a great movie.
welcome back!
I think you're right about some things but Alien 3's android has essentially no part in the plot of that movie while Alien, Aliens, Resurrection, Prometheus, and Covenant pretty much all revolved around the droid. Aliens is a bit tougher to make the connection as he was basically a 'good' robot in that one and although he played a big part in that movie, it wasn't the 'a.i. is bad m'kay' you describe in this vid. I suppose since we learn that Bishop was created with behavioral inhibitors, and the fact that aliens takes place after the events of prometheus/covenant, rules were put in place preventing more David's from turning sentient/rogue.
Very interesting. I really appreciate you fleshing out the implications of the film. Agree with you about the overarching theme. Moving the franchise from strictly horror into something that also deals with the biggest question of alls. I love it.
10 minute intro before the video truly starts. Precious. “I think”.
The hidden meaning is that Ridley Scott is off his rocker when it comes to the Alien franchise.
no, the fans dont have enough brain capacity to not a have a easy to follow story with people that never make mistakes. you can see this in all critiques of prometheus. enjoy your marvel movies.
And...I thought the Seeding of Humanity was just a necessary step in an Advanced Civilizations Bio-Weapons Program. The Catalyst being "The Black Ooze" or DGM "Dark Genetic Mutagenisis". But I do tend to Over think these things.
Black ooze I think of shoggoth tissue.
Are replacants robots ? I thought they were biological engineered clone like humans not androids like David ?
They were not clones. They were genetically engineered, but different from humans. Brains and eyes (as stated in the movie) were designed, so they couldn't be actually humans.
Also, they didn't grow (like biological beings). they were "born" already in adulthood.
Biological parts that are assembled into individual beings yet similar. Short lived but burning the candle at all ends.
Great to see a new video!
Cool as theories dude, really enjoyed your video!
Glad to hear it!
I liked Prometheus and Covenant, I don't get all the hate for them. It was great to see something new, both aesthetically great, great visuals, great sound, great tone. I'm just disappointed that Ridley Scott isn't making follow up, I really wanted to see what happened to the colonists and David. My only complaint is that they still don't explain how that ship got on the planet at the start of Alien.
maybe alien Romulus will shed some light on that arena. Finally, I have a feeling it’s a possibility.
Welcome back, great video 😊
Much appreciated! Glad to be back!
It's chilling to think that man's greatest fear is of creating something that can think for itself.
Prometheus=with minions crew. "look an alien lifeform, lets pet it"
The Fifield and Milburn scene can be explained; people complained about; they were stoned. It showed him sucking on a pipe fitted into his helmet. That could explain Fifield’s giddy nature of wanting to pet the “snake”
Characters are stupid in all these movies. Stop being a hypocrite
@@flattmeister1704 being stoned dont make you a complete tard and they aint stoned in both movies. ;)
My biggest gripe with this and Covenant. The crew - who are supposed to be pros - just make stupid decision after stupid decision.
@@flattmeister1704 No, 1 script had them acting this way and another had them acting differently. Hence the contradictions. I've heard this explanation before, but it's still stupid. So is the dialogue. "I just care about the $". "I just care about the rocks". Who talks like that in real life?
Great video. I always loved Prometheus and would’ve liked an ending. I hope Scott goes to HBO to make an ending.
I see. In the movie there are lot of cold cynical characters too. The captain ask Vickers: are you a robot? Later she kiss the fathers hand while wishing him to die. An intelligence not moderated by heart is really dangerous thats why creating an AI it's the supreme sin. You helped me seeing better the moral undercurrent of the movie, which is in every aspect a biblical cautionery tale. Waiting for the Prometheus second part video 😄
the scene where they run in a straight line from the rolling ship is a metaphor for humanity escaping in a straight line from AI! we know the dangers but we do nothing to prevent them hehe
Talent hits targets no one else can hit, genius hits targets no one else can see
Another film about AI gone very wrong was one that I rarely hear about called "Colossus: The Forbin Project (1970)". A scientist named Forbin creates a powerful AI driven machine that ultimately takes control of the US nuclear arsenal (among other key system) and then joins forces with it's Soviet counterpart. The AIs in this case have decided that humanity is too reckless to rule itself. That's more or less how the movie begins and the remainder is Forbin and the rest of humanity trying regain control of their world. It's not the greatest film ever but it explores the whole AI concept that other films covered in greater detail and nuance.
This video is fucking genius! Tickled my sci-fi nerd fancy in every way and am horrified to it not having thousands more views. To be fair maybe Prometheus deep dives are a niche audience, but still… the amount of care and quality you put into this should be far greater appreciated. Please keep making more videos! This is the type of shit I live to consume haha!
LOL@U yeah ok. He mentioned snakes being in the movie. Which there were none. I could go on and on about the facts he got wrong. Not going to touch his ignorant opinion that everyone else has no idea what they are talking about and have no idea what the movie is about. LOL@U
You both need to get over yourselves.
@@chrissnyder8415 hahaha okay what ever you say Mr. Gatekeeper of Prometheus 🤣🤣 where’s your video breakdown?
@andrewschumm8253 "deep dive"? Into the shallow end maybe...
There’s so much meaning in this story hidden. For one Elizabeth is infertile, and she gives birth to the trilobite on Christmas Day. When Janek and his crew go out gunshots blazing, they have the same pose as Christ as he was crucifiesd.
That's two overt and obvious things that everyone knows. Can you do an exhaustive list of the 'so much meaning' that you refer to but don't mention? You also didn't explain the meaning of the things you did point out.
In other words you only noticed Christian stuff 🤦♂️
@@Man_fay_the_Bru also in other religions too from virgin birth to sacrificed and raised from the dead.
@@Man_fay_the_Bru What religeous but non-christian things did YOU notice?