Compare the cost of your upgrade to the cost of Nissan Leaf battery replacement and the difference is massive. There are so many first generation Leafs with failing batteries this is a really good video and I must say your English is also very good , much better than my Finnish.
@@dougabbott8261 just looked at the price of going g from a 24 to 40 kwhr batter for a leaf and it’s 7000€ . Would be about that to get a car with that battery already in it
@Krazy Kanuck 1) electric cars are not 8x dirtier to produce, they are roughly the same in as an ice car in-terms of body shell. the electric motor Motor is much less dirtier than an ice engine. The lithium batteries have a mining impact but then petrol also requires mined rare earths to refine - and they are used once rather than reused many times for a battery. EV batteries also have a second life as storage units. So the 8x premise is simply false. 2) how dirty a countries electricity grid is will, of course, impact how “clean” an ev car is to refuel. Many grids are getting much cleaner very quickly, the U.K. grid for example already runs at about 35% renewable power. It’s largely down to politics and will.
@Krazy Kanuck sad but true, the current federal government hasn’t yet woken up to the shear cost benefit advantage of renewables; ignoring any environmental advantage. Fortunately the us devolved state system has other ideas. One day it’ll come around.
@Krazy Kanuck Youre right. The sheer Production of a 100 kwh Battery causes 20 t CO2 emission. Thats the same amount of CO2 an average petrol car emits during 120.000 km / 75.000 miles of driving. But thats just for producing the battery. Supplying the energy to charge the cars also cause big ammounts of CO2 emissions. After use (or second life) its cheaper to make new lithium cells than to recycle the old ones. So the cells are not being recycled but instead theyre burned in big ovens, which releases lots of CO2 and other hazardous emissions. And so on. Electric cars with lithium batteries are not environmental friendly at all. Sadly its meaningless to start a arguement with all those green fanatics, since theyre too convinced of their "religion" to think about and try to understand your point. As we saw above, they dont understand what you said but call you stupid instead.
It's great to see how modular simple EVs like the Leaf are. With so little else to go wrong it should be possible to run a Leaf for decades with a battery swap every ten years or so.
Tip, Get heat shrink tubing after you rewrap the newly soldered connector. Slip the tubing over the cables newly soldered connector and shrink with a heat gun. While electrical tape is undoubtly sturdy you can make the job look neater with less chances of things rattling apart if you use heat shrink. It is definitely fiddly but worth the extra effort to prevent the car from accidentally disconnecting when you are using it down the road.
Thank you for this video. Always good to see vehicles being kept on the road, especially EVs. I was surprised that the old batteries sold for 1800€ but very helpful to the customer - almost reduced the price by half :)
what a stud, great skills, I've had four Nissan Leafs that were leases, you see very few of them on the road anymore for this very reason, they were the most reliable cars we've ever had, but the batteries suck.....hopefully folks can continue to rack up miles now that we have videos like this available!
@@DalasEVRepair Right about bulletproof. I have a 2015 trim S 24 kwh pack @ 12 bars. Odometer reading 108,500+ miles. 60 mile roundtrip work commute that includes 60% freeway (60 mph). Live in the greater Seattle, Washington area is a mild climate contributes greatly to the battery pack's longevity. Also, I drive in ECO mode nearly 100% of the time.
Amazing video. Very well explained and video'd. I don't even own a Leaf, but the topic was of interest since I have an electric vehicle. These are the mechanics of the future. In the old days it was a good find to know a shop who knew Weber carburetors, now we need to find good custom battery shops. Keep up the good work.
2:25 Important safety tip! Always wear goggles to protect your glasses from falling dirt. Seriously, this is a good idea for those of us who are not naturally endowed with spectacles.
Man, I feel like it's time for me as well. Lost one more bar yesterday. Now down at 64% SOH. For me the range is enough, but the Fast charging only works at full speed until 25%. After that it's only around 20kW.
Thank you for this. If you were here in NZ you’d make a killing. EV “repair” companies are charging from 25k upwards to 40k NZD to replace a battery. But it’s clear now, these companies are just ripping people off. Cheaper to buy a new/used EV than get the battery replaced.
Great job Daniel. When I had this same upgrade I also was able to utilize 12 bars. However, after 2 years it dropped backed down to 11. I hope your 12 bars last longer than mine. Good luck.
Thanks to your videos I learned how to change out weak modules in my 2012 leaf. And I looking to change out the all modules with better soh ones in the future.
in spain they upgrade the 24 kw to 40 kw , in the 24 kw package you remove the low battery cell and you can add more battery cel up to 40 kw , good video
excellent .. I have a 2011 redundant r/h drive Nissan Leaf with 32,000 km total . The maths say it would be cost effective to source a later 30kwh pack . or maybe just sell it on . I have a small ICE car which is my go to transport .
Nice video. I have swapped battery in my 2012 to a 40kWh with the use of a gateway from an other supplier. Your sollution seem a bit better/cleaner as it has the GW inside the car, and also, you provide some upgraded functions. Such as "rapidgate" fix. Keep up the good work, I will for sure go for your sollution if I make an other swap in an other car.
@@xabizar ve.simonandre.ca/leaf-2/. It works fine, and good support. But I like this Suomi solution as it have the gateway in the car. And if it really were needed, I could drive 750km from my home in Norway to Vasa. and have Daniel to sort out what I might not manage my self. Canada to far away! But I have had good support thou from remote connection, so my solution works well. Going from 15kWh (In the old battery) to 36kWh net capacity made so the old 2012 became a new car. Recommended if you have the possibility.
Well, the video is great and I'm for the upgrade. All I need now is a battery and a can-bridge. Hard to get the battery as hell. Thanks for the great video.
nice video, i am in the research phase of planning to convert my classic vw bus to EV using a wrecked Leaf. most of the leafs i find are in the 7 bar battery range, which is okay to get it up and running. however; i would like to upgrade the battery shortly after completing the conversion. this was very informative and i plan on buying the connector converter and can bridge when the time comes.
Awesome video!!!! The problem here in Florida, United States is to find a battery. Mine is only 7 bars. Keep it up with the great work. Best regards, from Orlando Florida USA
The supply of new, or lightly degraded batteries is going to peter out rapidly here in the next years. Leaf sales have been on a sharp decline globally for the last year, and as Nissan shifts it's focus to it's electric SUV (the Ariya), the expectation is for Nissan to discontinue the Leaf all-together. If we want to keep these 500k vehicles usable and on the road, the task will fall to us DIYers to find some other means to add power than "simply" finding another like new battery.
@@InnovativeSustainableSolutions Big fan of your Channel here, I was not expecting you to answer. Totally agree, batteries are really hard to find. Is a shame that Nissan supports this consumerist disposable car society and they are not the only ones. I love the hard work you put in your Sun-Eater, but my thinking is that the solar array/batteries/inverter/etc... will cost about the same that a new battery and I am leaning towards the battery at this point. Granted I can probably reuse the solar system, but here in Florida they make it hard for us homeowners to do solar at home, even worst with homeowners association. Other consideration is that my car only cost me 4k around 2 years ago and I use this 50% repair/replace rule below: artoftroubleshooting.com/2014/04/25/the-50-percent-rule-repair-or-replace-revisited/ With that getting a battery should only cost around 2k given the car has not incur in any depreciation, which is not realistic. But I will not give up in my green effort. My next car will also be electric. I just hope my Leaf can hold a bit longer until the pre-ordered Cybertruck arrives. Otherwise I will have to figure what to get in the interim or change the battery for the Leaf to keep using it. I am also a DIY guy that have some electronics/computers background, but age is a factor and dealing with this heavy battery replacement is something that I am thinking about. Lets see what the future brings. Best regards, facebook.com/ramoninorlando
@@InnovativeSustainableSolutions yes, and there's no reason why the leaf can't be expanded to have a bigger battery, it has 3 numbers to display the range haha. i checked the dimensions and it would be easy to fit 2 layers of teslas new battery cell inside a nissan leaf pack :D
@@osimmac I dream of getting my hands on a pallet of 4680 cells. But I really don't think Tesla is going to sell them. They are insanely protective of their parts. They literally wouldn't sell Rich plastic lugnut covers. Acquiring them from a wrecked vehicle will also be exponentially more difficult as they are incorporating them into the frame. We may never see 4680s on the aftermarket. You also need a 96s bms, and Im sure the 4680 has a different voltage-discharge curve than the Leaf cells, which the vehicles' software won't like. I'm sure it's possible to build a Leaf battery out of 4680s, but it would be a very difficult undertaking IMO.
@@InnovativeSustainableSolutions I just did a range test with my 2013 LEAF this week th-cam.com/video/w874KxwoXaI/w-d-xo.html and now that I work from home exclusively, and after your comments about how the LEAF will likely be discontinued etc... I'm thinking I might just sell it before it's resale value goes down more than it already has. I bought it for $7,800 back in February of 2018 at 60k miles and now it's at 67k and it's lost two more battery capacity bars, so it's now lost 5 of it's original 12 bars. It's still a useful vehicle around town as my test shows it can go 55 miles at least, and probably could have gone closer to 60 miles in around town driving. The problem for me is I often need to get on the freeway for part of the drive and that's what really drains the battery super fast.
Your EV Expertise is palpably visible. Thank you for a great video. I am from Sri Lanka where many Leafs are becoming unusable due to the dearth of experts like you and inability to obtain batteries. Any info regarding sources would be very helpfull. Subscribed and liked
Dala - do you think it is possible to repair the main battery socket RCS800 without splitting the pack? I saw that someone de-pinned the two conductors but I know there's a third connector somewhere too. Connector damage is common (video idea?) - especially because they are made of chocolate!!
@@DalasEVRepair Last question - what sealant do you use to reseal the packs these days? Nissan OEM is out of stock - is there another trade secret to use?
@@DalasEVRepair Thank you Dala. Massively reassuring to know what you're using. I think I will practice cutting nozzles and laying triangular beads before I put this anywhere near my ENV case!
Great video. Long time thinking to buy leaf and this helps a lot to know that upgrade is not so difficult. Could you recommend where to buy battery pack for replacement?
great vid, can you recommend a website with specifics on the removal and install for the battery and more on the compatibility?, have done engine swaps looking forward to doing a battery swap!
All batteries work. It is just the 62kWh that requires more effort in the form of spacers & beefed up suspension. See this video for mechanical diffs: th-cam.com/video/hpgv-dY-q6M/w-d-xo.html See this for lifting out: th-cam.com/video/AlxzlQgovUA/w-d-xo.html
A great video, although the one thing that I fear with cars is auto electrics, so it's beyond me! I was wondering if there is a way of having a tank of liquid in the boot/trunk, to pipe cooled/warmed liquid around the battery? Thinking you could warm the battery when 10 mins away from the next rapid charger to precondition it for charging or cool it when it's hot?
Thank you for the great video. I'm also very interested in the second life of the battery. Can it be adapted to store energy at home, integrated with solar panels?
Although, because they're Japanese, All Leaf's have been built to be able to act as a power store for the house and then send the electricity back to the house in the event of a power cut! Robert Llewelyn has equipped his house with the tech needed for this.
@@computerbob06 The only gizmo I've found in the US for this comes from Setek Power. It creates *single-phase* 220, and needs 2013 Leaf, at minimum (though the Chademo is common to previous model years, there's some other technical hitch... also, it's not usable with *other Chademos*, like the Soul EV... evsiphon.com in San Diego CA is importing these units)
This looks really very easy, as long as you have access to the lifting gear. Well done for putting this out there. Of course the main obstacle is fnding a used 30kwh pack. A quick look on ebay and...zilch. Lots of individual modles though. How feasible is it fo identify failing cells in the pack and swap these out with good ones? My 2011 leaf is on 10 bars, it would be good enough just to have the option to replace the problem cells and get that back to 12 bars. How feasible is that though?
Usually not worth the effort. You'll need to adhere to local legislation for working on high voltage systems.Good quality cells are expensive, and all that effort will be close to what an actual upgrade would cost. Go for a 30/40kWh pack instead!
@@DalasEVRepair Second this. You have to go through, charge and then balance the battery pack. If you are desperately short on money and knew enough about electronics to do that (while incurring all the risks that go with it) It MIGHT be worth it but you have to drive the car as a patch, i.e you are going to get it fixed within a week and not for very long. At that point because you have already disassembled and taken apart the pack once, it's only really conceivable when the car is worth nothing because now you have to do the labor all over again. TLDR; Get the battery pack replaced and recycle the old one OR turn it into something else. There is no point in trying to swap single cells as the risk of failure or continued battery degradation is more exspensive than replacing a battery pack once.
Hi from spain you are genius! thanks for the video. Can i ask you something pleasse i have got a kangoo Ze 2013 with 22kw i would like to update for 33kw , do i need can bridge ? or just it´s for leaf? in that case can you tell me how ... i am a bit stock many thanks for the video !
Hi, great channel, i admire your work and passion. i want to do a battery swap between a 2013 24kw and 2016 30kw, the 2016 is in worst condition, its posible the change of the batterys? Do i need anything else or Just is a plug and play action,
This was brilliant, Routsi - hurray to our Suomi neighbours! Is EVs catching on in Finland? I lease a Skoda Citigo-e just now but would like to own a car in the future so a used EV would be good if you can upgrade it!
Has Nissan cured the battery baking problem that was reported out of Australia... in other words, no cooling, which shortens life of the battery to the point that THEIR replacement makes the car useless (The one I heard about was $10,000+ Australian for the car after lots of "software upgrades" to get the car past its warranty.) That continent has a LOT of hot areas, so it's understandable that the failures would pop up there early on. I've been looking for a 30kwh battery pack that is in good shape to power my house here... and a Leaf could be a good starting point.
We routinely have temps in excess of 45c in summer. It was 38c two days ago and summer doesn't start for another 3 weeks. I've heard of similar problems with other EVs - and there's a seemingly unsolveable range reduction if you need AC - and trust me, when it's a 3 hour drive on a highway in summer when it's 45c in the water bag, you need AC. The cost of replacement batteries for a less than 10yo vehicle is insane. Consider this is a country where 25 year old cars are still common and largely unrusted, engines/trans generally last at least 250,000, my Ssangyong Musso is up around 335,000 and still fine on the original engine/trans. EVs look like a good idea until you hit all the hidden costs. And the resale value of an EV with a dying battery is zilch, so no real SH market unless you refurbish, which prices it beyond the $2000 used car buyers like me.
Hello, I like your content. Very good information. I have a 2012 which is not taking charge from the 240 J1. The blue charge light blinks for about 5 seconds then it stops. I can hear all sorts of noises like switches etc, but nothing happens. What do you think could be the problem? Thanks
Here in the UK I've found the batteries are simply unaffordable. I've kept an eye out for a while, and they're actually less available on eBay now than they were a year or two ago, and the ones that are on there are silly money. I presume big companies are buying up all the packs that do hit the salvage yards.
@@DalasEVRepair This is the main obstacle. It looks pretty easy really, and all credit to Daniel for figuring it out. Getting hold of a batyer pack is not easy by the look of it (in the UK).
@@dgroberts100 Have you tried an auction yard? If you can get someone in with an OBD2 scanner you can see if buying the car whole (with a half decent pack) would be worth it. I can obviously say that if the cells are swollen, you are out a bunch of money but if the lot will let you get an in-depth look at the car they might let you pick it up for cheap as a salvage. (i.e the cost of the battery pack and a little extra) The spare parts you would have to resell and store indefinitely or on your own so of course that might not be an option. I think Nissan's platform is far better and more thought out than Tesla even if the super charge network and range are better, the serviceability and customer interactions make the price of the car obscene.
This is really great. Do you know anyone who knows how to do this properly in the Los Angeles, CA, USA area? This is for 2012 Leaf. Not quite DIY for me. The Nissan option is way too expensive I think, considering that the price of Chevy Bolt 2017+, Nissan Leaf 2018+ have come down quite a bit which will accomplish the same plus more. What do you think of the extended battery strategy?
I am assuming you mean opening the pack and throwing random newer chemistries in? Yes, but there is also a lot of issues with this approach. Let me list the problems - Crash safety. The OEM pack is simulated to withstand impacts if vehicle is in a collision. By not using the OEM fasteners inside the battery as intended, you risk having the battery short out internally in the event of a crash. - Discharge curve issues. Normal lithuum cells are more linear compared to LMNO2, so the instrumentation will say that the battery is empty even though >50% of capacity is left. - If you use 18650 cells, you introduce thousands of potential failure points where each wire is bonded to the pack. Only Tesla has been able to get away with this. If one wire breaks, there others need to pick up the slack, and there is a chance you will get a cascade failure. Pouch cells are more suited for DIY builds - Isolation resistance readings. Huge risk of permanent 'Check EV' fault light on after upgrade. - OEM BMS will limit to max 24kWh charging sessions. Along with other BMS related charging issues. - More stuff I've forgotten 0/10 would not recommend. The engineering hours required is MASSIVE
I have a question not explained in the video. Do the two small wires in the PTC connector need to be present and connected together or can they be removed and the cavities filled with silicone?
@@DalasEVRepair Nimittäin varmaan vanhemman Leafin ostan ja tapani mukaan ajan sillä niin kauan kuin mahdollista on. Niin veikkaan että tulet tutuksi tulevina vuosina 😁
Interestingly you publish this on the same week that Musk says that the next Tesla will have the batteries built into the structure to reduce weight and build cost. Also making them impossible to replace.
The batteries will be structural but that's not the same as unreplaceable. We await engineering details but I expect it will still be possible (maybe harder) to remove/replace them. Replacing individual cells in a pack may well be virtually impossible
@@geoffroberts1126 www.electrive.com/2020/10/19/tesla-researchers-present-battery-with-2-million-mile-lifecycle/. the article does not state the degradation of the battery only that it would do 10,000 cycles at 0-100% discharge rate. while a 0-80% discharge at 15,000 cycles would not degrade the battery significantly.
Very interesting, but the background music is killing me. it's hard to focus on what you say... How did you upgrade the CAN bridge? Or did it come already pre-installed upon purchase?
Compare the cost of your upgrade to the cost of Nissan Leaf battery replacement and the difference is massive. There are so many first generation Leafs with failing batteries this is a really good video and I must say your English is also very good , much better than my Finnish.
I might buy an older Leaf if improved batteries were available at much lower prices. Maybe in a decade that will be the case.
@timothykeith1367 leafs will all be gone by then man, things have been grabbed like candy by the battery recyclers
I found one for $1900. 2011, 33 miles of range
@@dougabbott8261 just looked at the price of going g from a 24 to 40 kwhr batter for a leaf and it’s 7000€ . Would be about that to get a car with that battery already in it
We need more of this, it's shame for an old EV to go to the junkyard just because it needs a battery.
@Krazy Kanuck 1) electric cars are not 8x dirtier to produce, they are roughly the same in as an ice car in-terms of body shell. the electric motor Motor is much less dirtier than an ice engine. The lithium batteries have a mining impact but then petrol also requires mined rare earths to refine - and they are used once rather than reused many times for a battery. EV batteries also have a second life as storage units. So the 8x premise is simply false. 2) how dirty a countries electricity grid is will, of course, impact how “clean” an ev car is to refuel. Many grids are getting much cleaner very quickly, the U.K. grid for example already runs at about 35% renewable power. It’s largely down to politics and will.
@Krazy Kanuck sad but true, the current federal government hasn’t yet woken up to the shear cost benefit advantage of renewables; ignoring any environmental advantage. Fortunately the us devolved state system has other ideas. One day it’ll come around.
it was planned by nissan
@Krazy Kanuck Youre right. The sheer Production of a 100 kwh Battery causes 20 t CO2 emission. Thats the same amount of CO2 an average petrol car emits during 120.000 km / 75.000 miles of driving. But thats just for producing the battery. Supplying the energy to charge the cars also cause big ammounts of CO2 emissions. After use (or second life) its cheaper to make new lithium cells than to recycle the old ones. So the cells are not being recycled but instead theyre burned in big ovens, which releases lots of CO2 and other hazardous emissions. And so on.
Electric cars with lithium batteries are not environmental friendly at all. Sadly its meaningless to start a arguement with all those green fanatics, since theyre too convinced of their "religion" to think about and try to understand your point. As we saw above, they dont understand what you said but call you stupid instead.
@Krazy Kanuck And nuclear, and hydro, and wind and solar and pumped hydro storage...
It's great to see how modular simple EVs like the Leaf are. With so little else to go wrong it should be possible to run a Leaf for decades with a battery swap every ten years or so.
Thats not saying much, considering the cost to swap the battery would cost more that the repairs of a ICE car
@@04dram04 😭😭🤣😂
Too bad they are so ugly. They should have made them look similar to the Altima.
@@ralphinator2 you should check out the Renault Fluence Z.E. Carlos Ghosn had a hand in building that and the LEAF.
Tip, Get heat shrink tubing after you rewrap the newly soldered connector. Slip the tubing over the cables newly soldered connector and shrink with a heat gun. While electrical tape is undoubtly sturdy you can make the job look neater with less chances of things rattling apart if you use heat shrink. It is definitely fiddly but worth the extra effort to prevent the car from accidentally disconnecting when you are using it down the road.
I love the "don't throw this in your wheelie bin" sticker on the 300Kg battery pack.
That's the Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment Directive logo.
Thank you for this video. Always good to see vehicles being kept on the road, especially EVs. I was surprised that the old batteries sold for 1800€ but very helpful to the customer - almost reduced the price by half :)
Used EV batteries make great home solar storage batteries
You are a god.. this is the news I've been waiting for to start looking seriously at a used leaf.
what a stud, great skills, I've had four Nissan Leafs that were leases, you see very few of them on the road anymore for this very reason, they were the most reliable cars we've ever had, but the batteries suck.....hopefully folks can continue to rack up miles now that we have videos like this available!
Thank you! And yes, these cars are bulletproof with a good battery installed!
@@DalasEVRepair Right about bulletproof. I have a 2015 trim S 24 kwh pack @ 12 bars. Odometer reading 108,500+ miles. 60 mile roundtrip work commute that includes 60% freeway (60 mph). Live in the greater Seattle, Washington area is a mild climate contributes greatly to the battery pack's longevity. Also, I drive in ECO mode nearly 100% of the time.
Amazing video. Very well explained and video'd. I don't even own a Leaf, but the topic was of interest since I have an electric vehicle. These are the mechanics of the future. In the old days it was a good find to know a shop who knew Weber carburetors, now we need to find good custom battery shops. Keep up the good work.
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2:25 Important safety tip! Always wear goggles to protect your glasses from falling dirt.
Seriously, this is a good idea for those of us who are not naturally endowed with spectacles.
Amazing the salvage yard just cut through the high voltage cabling. Good thing the contractors work!
Yeah it is a disaster waiting to happen, one day if they encounter a salvage vehicle with welded contactors!
@@DalasEVRepair Do you have problems with the contractors in packs from crashed cars? I imagine they don’t like being opened under load.
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@@compu85 They can withstand some beating for sure. And if I ever encounter a welded set, I have spares that can be installed.
Dala you are a LEGEND- so thankful for everything that you do
Thank you so much for all you've done for the rest of the Leaf world.
Thank you, and this is just the beginning :)
@@DalasEVRepair Your efforts will likely make it possible for me to get a 40kWh pack into my 2011 Leaf next year. That's a big deal to me.
I Like the way you do things .. "Keep it simple but get it done"
Very good job !! My 2012 Leaf is in my shop waiting for rejuvenation .... I’ll have to start trolling junkyards for a wrecked 2017 Leaf
Amazing job! I wish that i had a quick charge port, however without it I do not see such an upgrade as a worthy investment
You can replace the plug and inverter module on your Leaf from a salvaged unit just fine.
Man, I feel like it's time for me as well. Lost one more bar yesterday. Now down at 64% SOH. For me the range is enough, but the Fast charging only works at full speed until 25%. After that it's only around 20kW.
Do it! You know where to get a CAN-bridge ;)
Thank you for this. If you were here in NZ you’d make a killing. EV “repair” companies are charging from 25k upwards to 40k NZD to replace a battery. But it’s clear now, these companies are just ripping people off. Cheaper to buy a new/used EV than get the battery replaced.
Great job Daniel. When I had this same upgrade I also was able to utilize 12 bars. However, after 2 years it dropped backed down to 11. I hope your 12 bars last longer than mine. Good luck.
Yeah, fingers crossed! In these cold climates the Leaf batteries last way longer!
Thanks to your videos I learned how to change out weak modules in my 2012 leaf. And I looking to change out the all modules with better soh ones in the future.
in spain they upgrade the 24 kw to 40 kw , in the 24 kw package you remove the low battery cell and you can add more battery cel up to 40 kw , good video
How much does that 24 to 40kwh upgrade cost in Spain? Or even the 24 to 30kwh upgrade?
I think thé price start at 5000 € . You dont need to go spain . You send thé battery and thé return to you upgraded
Very good. I would imagine having access to a reasonable battery replacement is the key to having your low maintenance EV run forever.
Yeah I'd estimate this 30kWh pack to last 10+years now!
excellent .. I have a 2011 redundant r/h drive Nissan Leaf with 32,000 km total . The maths say it would be cost effective to source a later 30kwh pack . or maybe just sell it on . I have a small ICE car which is my go to transport .
Nice video. I have swapped battery in my 2012 to a 40kWh with the use of a gateway from an other supplier. Your sollution seem a bit better/cleaner as it has the GW inside the car, and also, you provide some upgraded functions. Such as "rapidgate" fix. Keep up the good work, I will for sure go for your sollution if I make an other swap in an other car.
Could you tell me who that other supplier is and the price for the gateway?
@@xabizar ve.simonandre.ca/leaf-2/. It works fine, and good support. But I like this Suomi solution as it have the gateway in the car. And if it really were needed, I could drive 750km from my home in Norway to Vasa. and have Daniel to sort out what I might not manage my self. Canada to far away! But I have had good support thou from remote connection, so my solution works well. Going from 15kWh (In the old battery) to 36kWh net capacity made so the old 2012 became a new car. Recommended if you have the possibility.
Great job on emphasizing the safety aspects!
Excellent you got something for your old pack, that makes replacement cost reasonable.
I dream of the day I load in the 62 kWh pack :)
Just let me know when you get one and need a CAN-bridge ;)
Daniel Öster - from what I hear they command a high price for the 62 :) they are hard to get :) if I do I’ll certainly buy the bridge from you :)
@@DalasEVRepair yes once the prices come down I want to swap a 60 into my 2015
Robert Llewellyn from fully charged is replacing his 2011 leaf with newish 40kWh 🔋 battery from Amsterdam.
th-cam.com/video/2qPF11PmP8k/w-d-xo.html
@@IDann1 He did, but that cost him something like £8,000!
Thanks Daniel. Very informative and useful information. Wishing you the best EVing. 😉👍
Thank you 😁
I usually run vehement thru a manual wand carwash b4 doing wk. I concentrate on brake dust, dirt& grime removal. It makes the wk easier.
thank you for all your work on nissan leaf!
love the MCM reference on jacking up the car :D
Well, the video is great and I'm for the upgrade. All I need now is a battery and a can-bridge. Hard to get the battery as hell. Thanks for the great video.
Good luck with the search!
Man, very good video. And very informative. And I'm not the go to guy for these type of things. Awesome stuff. Congrats.
Thank you 😁
nice video, i am in the research phase of planning to convert my classic vw bus to EV using a wrecked Leaf. most of the leafs i find are in the 7 bar battery range, which is okay to get it up and running. however; i would like to upgrade the battery shortly after completing the conversion. this was very informative and i plan on buying the connector converter and can bridge when the time comes.
Very well made professional video. Thanks.
Great video. Explains everything perfectly
PLEASE get rid of that AWFUL music. You have no idea what it does to a musician’s ears😮
Very clever! Well done Herra!!
Awesome video!!!!
The problem here in Florida, United States is to find a battery.
Mine is only 7 bars.
Keep it up with the great work.
Best regards, from Orlando Florida USA
The supply of new, or lightly degraded batteries is going to peter out rapidly here in the next years. Leaf sales have been on a sharp decline globally for the last year, and as Nissan shifts it's focus to it's electric SUV (the Ariya), the expectation is for Nissan to discontinue the Leaf all-together. If we want to keep these 500k vehicles usable and on the road, the task will fall to us DIYers to find some other means to add power than "simply" finding another like new battery.
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Big fan of your Channel here, I was not expecting you to answer.
Totally agree, batteries are really hard to find.
Is a shame that Nissan supports this consumerist disposable car society and they are not the only ones.
I love the hard work you put in your Sun-Eater, but my thinking is that the solar array/batteries/inverter/etc... will cost about the same that a new battery and I am leaning towards the battery at this point.
Granted I can probably reuse the solar system, but here in Florida they make it hard for us homeowners to do solar at home, even worst with homeowners association.
Other consideration is that my car only cost me 4k around 2 years ago and I use this 50% repair/replace rule below:
artoftroubleshooting.com/2014/04/25/the-50-percent-rule-repair-or-replace-revisited/
With that getting a battery should only cost around 2k given the car has not incur in any depreciation, which is not realistic.
But I will not give up in my green effort. My next car will also be electric.
I just hope my Leaf can hold a bit longer until the pre-ordered Cybertruck arrives. Otherwise I will have to figure what to get in the interim or change the battery for the Leaf to keep using it.
I am also a DIY guy that have some electronics/computers background, but age is a factor and dealing with this heavy battery replacement is something that I am thinking about.
Lets see what the future brings.
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@@InnovativeSustainableSolutions yes, and there's no reason why the leaf can't be expanded to have a bigger battery, it has 3 numbers to display the range haha. i checked the dimensions and it would be easy to fit 2 layers of teslas new battery cell inside a nissan leaf pack :D
@@osimmac I dream of getting my hands on a pallet of 4680 cells. But I really don't think Tesla is going to sell them. They are insanely protective of their parts. They literally wouldn't sell Rich plastic lugnut covers. Acquiring them from a wrecked vehicle will also be exponentially more difficult as they are incorporating them into the frame. We may never see 4680s on the aftermarket. You also need a 96s bms, and Im sure the 4680 has a different voltage-discharge curve than the Leaf cells, which the vehicles' software won't like. I'm sure it's possible to build a Leaf battery out of 4680s, but it would be a very difficult undertaking IMO.
@@InnovativeSustainableSolutions I just did a range test with my 2013 LEAF this week th-cam.com/video/w874KxwoXaI/w-d-xo.html and now that I work from home exclusively, and after your comments about how the LEAF will likely be discontinued etc... I'm thinking I might just sell it before it's resale value goes down more than it already has. I bought it for $7,800 back in February of 2018 at 60k miles and now it's at 67k and it's lost two more battery capacity bars, so it's now lost 5 of it's original 12 bars. It's still a useful vehicle around town as my test shows it can go 55 miles at least, and probably could have gone closer to 60 miles in around town driving. The problem for me is I often need to get on the freeway for part of the drive and that's what really drains the battery super fast.
Useful & informative video. Thanks!
Your EV Expertise is palpably visible. Thank you for a great video. I am from Sri Lanka where many Leafs are becoming unusable due to the dearth of experts like you and inability to obtain batteries. Any info regarding sources would be very helpfull. Subscribed and liked
Get in touch with Mobility Alliance Sri Lanka, they can help source!
@@DalasEVRepair Thank you
The Eco floor heater is a must for carbon conscious driving
The high voltage gloves are supposed to only be used with leather over gloves.
My 2011 leaf only has 5 bars at 62k
Great video now I need to find a battery
Good luck with the search!
Rolling r is so fancy 😂! Awesome guide video
great info !
superb attention to detail excellent
Dala - do you think it is possible to repair the main battery socket RCS800 without splitting the pack? I saw that someone de-pinned the two conductors but I know there's a third connector somewhere too. Connector damage is common (video idea?) - especially because they are made of chocolate!!
I would open the battery to be able to do it properly!
@@DalasEVRepair You always tell it "as it is"! Thank you.
@@DalasEVRepair Last question - what sealant do you use to reseal the packs these days? Nissan OEM is out of stock - is there another trade secret to use?
@@B2C2007 I used a locally sourced "Sikaflex 221" which is a 1-component polyurethane sealant!
@@DalasEVRepair Thank you Dala. Massively reassuring to know what you're using. I think I will practice cutting nozzles and laying triangular beads before I put this anywhere near my ENV case!
Hej hej ifrån Sweclockers. Bra jobbat med din kanal :)
Tackar! 😁
Thank you for this step-by-step tutorial!
great video. I would like it more without the music. thanks for making this
Thanks, I noticed this also that the music got repetitive (and too loud). Will fix to next video!
Brilliant Job!
Hey, that was smooth upgrade 👌 I can use your help to upgrade mine 2012 Nissan Leaf battery. Current capacity is only 3 bars. 😢
Excellent - very clear indeed. Thanks
Very well done. I hope your business is very successful.
Great video. Long time thinking to buy leaf and this helps a lot to know that upgrade is not so difficult. Could you recommend where to buy battery pack for replacement?
Depends where you are located :) I only know sources in Scandinavia!
great vid, can you recommend a website with specifics on the removal and install for the battery and more on the compatibility?, have done engine swaps looking forward to doing a battery swap!
All batteries work. It is just the 62kWh that requires more effort in the form of spacers & beefed up suspension.
See this video for mechanical diffs: th-cam.com/video/hpgv-dY-q6M/w-d-xo.html
See this for lifting out: th-cam.com/video/AlxzlQgovUA/w-d-xo.html
A great video, although the one thing that I fear with cars is auto electrics, so it's beyond me!
I was wondering if there is a way of having a tank of liquid in the boot/trunk, to pipe cooled/warmed liquid around the battery? Thinking you could warm the battery when 10 mins away from the next rapid charger to precondition it for charging or cool it when it's hot?
The battery already has heat-elements inside it, actually working on figuring out how to trigger these on demand...
The biggest upgrade to those cars would be a battery fan and ac duct for summer time to keep temps down.
Thank you for the great video. I'm also very interested in the second life of the battery. Can it be adapted to store energy at home, integrated with solar panels?
Yes! That is what most of my customers do!
Although, because they're Japanese, All Leaf's have been built to be able to act as a power store for the house and then send the electricity back to the house in the event of a power cut! Robert Llewelyn has equipped his house with the tech needed for this.
@@computerbob06 The only gizmo I've found in the US for this comes from Setek Power. It creates *single-phase* 220, and needs 2013 Leaf, at minimum (though the Chademo is common to previous model years, there's some other technical hitch... also, it's not usable with *other Chademos*, like the Soul EV... evsiphon.com in San Diego CA is importing these units)
Hi Daniel , my job 40kWh on Zeo 19.10.2020 🤝
Nice work!
Your can bus bridges are junk! You cant fix your own mistakes, Rinat!
looking to purchase the ready made harness. Great video
Just send me a message via the site in the description! Thanks!
where can i buy such a battery pack? can't find one in the internet.
This looks really very easy, as long as you have access to the lifting gear. Well done for putting this out there. Of course the main obstacle is fnding a used 30kwh pack. A quick look on ebay and...zilch. Lots of individual modles though. How feasible is it fo identify failing cells in the pack and swap these out with good ones? My 2011 leaf is on 10 bars, it would be good enough just to have the option to replace the problem cells and get that back to 12 bars. How feasible is that though?
Usually not worth the effort. You'll need to adhere to local legislation for working on high voltage systems.Good quality cells are expensive, and all that effort will be close to what an actual upgrade would cost. Go for a 30/40kWh pack instead!
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@@DalasEVRepair Second this. You have to go through, charge and then balance the battery pack. If you are desperately short on money and knew enough about electronics to do that (while incurring all the risks that go with it) It MIGHT be worth it but you have to drive the car as a patch, i.e you are going to get it fixed within a week and not for very long. At that point because you have already disassembled and taken apart the pack once, it's only really conceivable when the car is worth nothing because now you have to do the labor all over again.
TLDR; Get the battery pack replaced and recycle the old one OR turn it into something else. There is no point in trying to swap single cells as the risk of failure or continued battery degradation is more exspensive than replacing a battery pack once.
thank you fo r showing me this is something i absolutely do NOT want to do myself ;)
Hi from spain you are genius! thanks for the video.
Can i ask you something pleasse i have got a kangoo Ze 2013 with 22kw i would like to update for 33kw , do i need can bridge ? or just it´s for leaf? in that case can you tell me how ... i am a bit stock many thanks for the video !
I have no clue about how the Renaults work yet, sorry!
You professional! Thank you for this video!
Great video. How can i get the plug and play cord from 24 pin to 36 pin.
thank you very much your explanation if u give one video how to do change communication cable 22 pin to 36 pin would be grate
I sell a plug'n'play cable, much better than soldering dalasevrepair.fi/can-bridges/
Raaams on jack staaammzz…nice….thanks for the video
Hi, great channel, i admire your work and passion. i want to do a battery swap between a 2013 24kw and 2016 30kw, the 2016 is in worst condition, its posible the change of the batterys? Do i need anything else or Just is a plug and play action,
Plug and play!
Love your work !
This was brilliant, Routsi - hurray to our Suomi neighbours! Is EVs catching on in Finland? I lease a Skoda Citigo-e just now but would like to own a car in the future so a used EV would be good if you can upgrade it!
Merci pour votre vidéo 👍 continuer
Great Video, thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching 😁
Dala please turn on subtitles for this video.
I tried, autogenerate wont work :( I'll try to manually translate tonight!
Subtitles are now up!
Has Nissan cured the battery baking problem that was reported out of Australia... in other words, no cooling, which shortens life of the battery to the point that THEIR replacement makes the car useless (The one I heard about was $10,000+ Australian for the car after lots of "software upgrades" to get the car past its warranty.) That continent has a LOT of hot areas, so it's understandable that the failures would pop up there early on. I've been looking for a 30kwh battery pack that is in good shape to power my house here... and a Leaf could be a good starting point.
We routinely have temps in excess of 45c in summer. It was 38c two days ago and summer doesn't start for another 3 weeks. I've heard of similar problems with other EVs - and there's a seemingly unsolveable range reduction if you need AC - and trust me, when it's a 3 hour drive on a highway in summer when it's 45c in the water bag, you need AC. The cost of replacement batteries for a less than 10yo vehicle is insane. Consider this is a country where 25 year old cars are still common and largely unrusted, engines/trans generally last at least 250,000, my Ssangyong Musso is up around 335,000 and still fine on the original engine/trans. EVs look like a good idea until you hit all the hidden costs. And the resale value of an EV with a dying battery is zilch, so no real SH market unless you refurbish, which prices it beyond the $2000 used car buyers like me.
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Спасибо!
Oh you a genius!👍👍👍👍👍😎
Thanks 😁
HI, I loved your video!!! How do I get the can bridge? Can I see pictures of it? How much is it for a whole kit?
Hop on to dalasevrepair.fi for more info!
The video is very well narrated
Great video. Very impressive.
Presumably, this upgrade could also be done to a Nissan E-NV200?
Yes! Have 3x customers that did a diy 24-40kWh already!
Hi Dala, I do need a CAN bridge and adapter cable in the US. Let me know what to please? Thank you!
I need to replace battery on 2013 nissan leaf
Hello, I like your content. Very good information.
I have a 2012 which is not taking charge from the 240 J1. The blue charge light blinks for about 5 seconds then it stops. I can hear all sorts of noises like switches etc, but nothing happens.
What do you think could be the problem? Thanks
Search the mynissanleaf.com forum, or make a new thread there!
Great Video, shows that battery upgrading is very feasible. Do all leafs require the CAN Bridge or only 2011 -13?
For battery upgrades CAN bridges are needed for all generations!
@@DalasEVRepair Thank you
Quick question, is there any disadvantage to removing the high voltage heater connection?
On the old LEAF, the heater is taken from the primary high voltage cable. No downside at all!
Here in the UK I've found the batteries are simply unaffordable. I've kept an eye out for a while, and they're actually less available on eBay now than they were a year or two ago, and the ones that are on there are silly money. I presume big companies are buying up all the packs that do hit the salvage yards.
Yes, there are some crazy monopolies depending on your location. I have yet to buy a single pack from my own country!
@@DalasEVRepair This is the main obstacle. It looks pretty easy really, and all credit to Daniel for figuring it out. Getting hold of a batyer pack is not easy by the look of it (in the UK).
@@dgroberts100 Have you tried an auction yard? If you can get someone in with an OBD2 scanner you can see if buying the car whole (with a half decent pack) would be worth it. I can obviously say that if the cells are swollen, you are out a bunch of money but if the lot will let you get an in-depth look at the car they might let you pick it up for cheap as a salvage. (i.e the cost of the battery pack and a little extra) The spare parts you would have to resell and store indefinitely or on your own so of course that might not be an option. I think Nissan's platform is far better and more thought out than Tesla even if the super charge network and range are better, the serviceability and customer interactions make the price of the car obscene.
Awesome video.
Nice job!
This is really great. Do you know anyone who knows how to do this properly in the Los Angeles, CA, USA area? This is for 2012 Leaf. Not quite DIY for me. The Nissan option is way too expensive I think, considering that the price of Chevy Bolt 2017+, Nissan Leaf 2018+ have come down quite a bit which will accomplish the same plus more. What do you think of the extended battery strategy?
Check the installer map nissanleafbatteryreplacement.com/
Very well done. Is there any way to upgrade the existing battery pack with higher capacity instead of buying a new bigger capacity battery?
I am assuming you mean opening the pack and throwing random newer chemistries in? Yes, but there is also a lot of issues with this approach. Let me list the problems
- Crash safety. The OEM pack is simulated to withstand impacts if vehicle is in a collision. By not using the OEM fasteners inside the battery as intended, you risk having the battery short out internally in the event of a crash.
- Discharge curve issues. Normal lithuum cells are more linear compared to LMNO2, so the instrumentation will say that the battery is empty even though >50% of capacity is left.
- If you use 18650 cells, you introduce thousands of potential failure points where each wire is bonded to the pack. Only Tesla has been able to get away with this. If one wire breaks, there others need to pick up the slack, and there is a chance you will get a cascade failure. Pouch cells are more suited for DIY builds
- Isolation resistance readings. Huge risk of permanent 'Check EV' fault light on after upgrade.
- OEM BMS will limit to max 24kWh charging sessions. Along with other BMS related charging issues.
- More stuff I've forgotten
0/10 would not recommend. The engineering hours required is MASSIVE
Just got a 2012 nissan leaf. Looking to get more range out of it. Can we chat ?
I have a question not explained in the video. Do the two small wires in the PTC connector need to be present and connected together or can they be removed and the cavities filled with silicone?
The small wires do not need to be present. Completely OK to just fill the entire connector with silicone!
Siistiä! Vaasassako vaikutat? Näin alan ammattilaisena voin todeta, että oli hyvä ja ammattimainen video.
Kiitos! Ja kyllä, Vaasassa tapahtuu :)
@@DalasEVRepair Nimittäin varmaan vanhemman Leafin ostan ja tapani mukaan ajan sillä niin kauan kuin mahdollista on. Niin veikkaan että tulet tutuksi tulevina vuosina 😁
0:32 i like this: "hy look at me, i drive a zero emission car, where the whole production of it produced more emission as a normal car" smile!
The back support brackets are drilled out quite a lot - surely it is better to get the brackets from the later car ?
That is how Nissan even suggest in their technical service bulletin for warranty replacements!
@@DalasEVRepair Can't really argue with that then !
Interestingly you publish this on the same week that Musk says that the next Tesla will have the batteries built into the structure to reduce weight and build cost. Also making them impossible to replace.
The batteries will be structural but that's not the same as unreplaceable. We await engineering details but I expect it will still be possible (maybe harder) to remove/replace them. Replacing individual cells in a pack may well be virtually impossible
The Tesla batteries last 2 million miles or about 3,500,000km though
@@bikerdog2b They DO or they WILL? Just curious...
@@bikerdog2b At what capacity? 50%? 40?
@@geoffroberts1126 www.electrive.com/2020/10/19/tesla-researchers-present-battery-with-2-million-mile-lifecycle/. the article does not state the degradation of the battery only that it would do 10,000 cycles at 0-100% discharge rate. while a 0-80% discharge at 15,000 cycles would not degrade the battery significantly.
Very interesting, but the background music is killing me. it's hard to focus on what you say... How did you upgrade the CAN bridge? Or did it come already pre-installed upon purchase?
All CAN bridge flashing instructions are here: github.com/dalathegreat/Nissan-LEAF-Battery-Upgrade
Good explanation
Where can one buy a new battery deliverable to Portugal?