I'm having a bit of a guess here, but I suspect you are having quite a lot of bother getting the system to work in a new car. Those pesky VCUs look for everything before the car will drive including the airbag sensors, key proximity detectors, high voltage continuity connections and may more bits and bobs.
Metal tools to pry out plastic high voltage disconnects definitely had me worried. I had to remind myself that you had to survive in order to post the video...
@@ThisOldJalopy 06:20 ish.. yup, the whole thing is fkin terrifying.. secondary stands at the back. (also reminding myself that ya definitely haven't died yet) can we change the title to 'how not to...'?
The Leaf battery outputs are only live when the contactor within the battery is active. Two things stop that happening. 1) simply removing the 12V supply on the control lines will immediately click off the contactor/relay and 2) the central 'safety' disconnect in the car (5:49) physically cuts the HV circuit so it wouldn't matter if the control lines were connected or not.
If this was a demonstration of what NOT to do when working on a vehicle, you nailed it. The Final Destination horror film franchise directors may be watching this and surely get awesome ideas for a possible future movie.
I'm not too bothered by that part, they're all designed such that with the contactors open, none of them have voltage. As long as you're doing all this with the car off, that's "fine". The horribly janky way of keeping the car in the air is what's likely to kill him.
Glad you found someone to recover the refrigerant. But it's really a simple DIY job. TLDR: Use dry ice to suck the gas into an empty refrigerant bottle. 1. Determine what refrigerant you have. Look it up, but it's almost certainly R134a. 2. Buy a cheap manifold gauge that will attach to to port. (try Harbor Freight). 3. Get an empty bottle to store the refrigerant. Check your scrap yard. In a pinch you can use an empty propane bottle with the proper adapter. The systems Total Charge of refrigerant will tell you how many bottles you need. 4. Buy dry ice at a grocery store. This is usually located in a big box at the front of the store. Get a pound or two. 5. Buy some alcohol. Any kind will do. Isopropanol (rubbing alcohol is cheap). 6. Make a slurry of alcohol mixed with crushed dry ice. Don't worry about crushing all of it. Just break it up into pieces
I mean obviously you survived because this video got posted but I kept half expecting this to be a snuff film. Nice stuff. I applaud your chaotic energy if not your safety acumen.
so much comedy, but i really appreciate you sharing this so i dont have to make the same mistakes as you, which im sure i would :) My Leaf is also ready for the operating table as soon as the engine hoist arrives. Good work. And hi from the UK,
A 4ton hydraulic car hoist is around the $3000 mark. Less probably in the US. Worth your life, I’d say. 500 kg scissor lift under a grand in Australia, definitely less in US. But still worth your life.
This project went from do-able to forget about it real fast. Cutting the interior wire harnesses and just taking the basics will render this a failure. Every subsystem ties to another to make that car run and drive. The canbus errors are impossible to fix or charge without the oem ecu modules. Going with a thunderstruck ecu can make it work but your still without a bms and smart charging system. Once those batteries over charge or under discharge they are toast. I have swapped a few gas cars it was an expensive learning curve.
You got a like and a comment when you put the high voltage sticker on the electrical tape! If you've got any questions for a Tesla mechanic let me know.
Hey great job getting everything out of the leaf you need on a budget with minimal tools, My kind of working too. This is great information as to how to go about this. I'd love to do this over here in the UK. Thanks for the video Sir.
A warning to anyone considering getting an older Leaf. Do NOT get one without a confirmed replacement "lizard" battery. Nissan does NOT use thermal management and so early batteries die a quick death in the heat. I had a 2012 (gen 1) Leaf that had dropped down to 8 "bars" (12 is max capacity) and that resulted in basically a realistic 30 mile range. Yes, I'm not exaggerating. 30 miles. Keep in mind, these only charged up (at 100% which you shouldn't charge to anyway) to around 100 miles or so.
The concrete blocks where just there temporarily while I was jacking up the back of the car. I never was under the car while the cinder blocks where holding it up.
Go back to that salvage yard and start asking about 1/4" plate. Buy some, at least enough to put under your floor jacks because they have to roll as they lift, or the car will. Me, I've got 4 sheets of 4'x10' plate... not quite as good as concrete but if you're renting it at least works.
Holy smokes, they could have made the high voltage disconnect easier to detach! Glad you are okay! Nice work letting people know the proper way to dispose of freon. I'm excited to follow this build. MBZ conversion possibly?
You know, I've never thought about doing something like this. I wouldn't necessarily do it but It's interesting food for thought. Also you probably could have gotten a couple bucks for a lot of those interior trim panels and such, though I don't know the demand.
Please 🙏🥺 do a video on how to salvage motors for EV conversion. To save on costs, n which motors to salvage, besides Forklift motor and Nissan Leaf, which others
Kudos for correctly explaining the issue with refrigerants venting being a major source of super pollutant greenhouse gas emissions. A residential HVAC tech could have recovered it for you I’d expect.
I think a good percentage of DIY people have had a please don't die moment when working with electricity. Not sure of the space in your yard but you could have recovered a fair bit of money selling the doors, seats, etc on ebay.
I feel your pain working under cars on gravel. (A couple sheets of plywood may be in your future) :) Fun following your build. My parents owned a Leaf about 10 years ago, and sold it when the battery was starting to lose capacity. I never did drive it though. I am looking into ideas for an EV conversion. Pretty intrigued with axial flux motors, and also hub motor designs. Design criteria for my EV is AWD, as I live in high elevation snow country.
Oh! Good idea! I have the same issue, but maybe worse - it's not pure gravel, it used to be a paver surface that got broken up a bit and gravel and such everywhere. I tried cardboard, not quite good enough.
I'd say the benz is the better choice. At least it's somewhat modern; I think the Mercury's suspension and steering components would have a really hard time handling the low end torque of an electric motor
Oooh, this is exciting! Kinda concerned you got rid of the shell tho and cut so many wires. Hopefully the ECU/BMS systems dont pitch too much of a fit without all that other crap plugged into them
Hahahah you're hilarious. The dumb ways to die got me every time :D Edit: 'this one is a byaaatch to get to' - lost it again Definitely you should put it in to the Comet. An old-school but electric car - how dope would that be!
Oh boy, oh boy. Besides the obvious electrical hazards you put yourself into you could have made things a lot easier for yourself by just putting the car on four proper axle stands (even cheapo ones are way safer than those bricks). And putting a layer of e.g. >25 mm OSB under your engine lift and the battery carriage might also have saved you lots of pain in the back. But respect for your confidence and I'm looking forward to the next videos.
My hat's off to you. You've taken on a HUGE job. Frankly, it's probably doomed to failure. But if you've got the interest, skills, and time, go for it. But if your goal is an inexpensive EV, you're already half-way to a far better alternative. Just swap that battery you pulled in this video into a Leaf with no damage but a dead battery. Done! OK, you do need a little bit of software to tell the car's computer to accept the new battery, but you can find all that on the internet.
I would have paid 3 k for the battery the a/c system was still intact just remove the dash unit by cutting out the firewall and install it in the new car the same way
Ive got an 81 MB 300td (the wagon) Ive been thinking about doing a leaf electric conversion on it..... I hope you do a conversion on your 300D there are a lot of them out there..... would be great to see someone do a 300D conversion.... would encourage alot of people to do it!
Apparently the insurance companies don't agree and won't actually pay for repairs - they consider it too dangerous and/or no profit in it. Same for most EV's.
Hey, just wondering how much did you get at the salvage yard for the leaf ? Unless you waiting to do a tally video in the near future. Great vlog of the Ev swap Mercury comet
I've wanted to convert a Subaru Brat to electric since before Tesla was a glint in Eberhard's eye. Not sure I'd go with a leaf though. Air cooled batteries, and Chademo ew. Probably a Bolt. Still cheap, but way more fun and capable.
You have to pull UP on that main power disconnect to get it unplugged not pry up from other side! Also would it not be way easier to swap those into a FWD car as that was the basic form factor that the Leaf motor, axles etc. support! The Mercedes and Ford are RWD and therefore motor would have to go thru their transmission and expensive adaptor plates and custom hardware is needed PLUS having a electric motor going thru transmission ,rear end really is inefficient plus those both are heavy cars! A simple lighter weight FWD car that already has an engine bay set up for those dimensions and close to same length axles like a Honda ,VW Golf etc. would make much more sense especially with Leafs small battery. Also as another poster pointed out the Leaf battery without the stock BMS and charging infrastructure makes no sense as overcharge battery can catch fire easily and the charging is electronically controlled!
What happened after you pulled out all the parts? I subscribed but was unable to see any follow-up clips. I enjoy watching your work, please continue to share your EV conversion project.
Hi great video and funny, how much do you pay for the Nissan leaf? Did you get it in an specific website? I swapped my engine if my 09 Altima now I have a 50k miles engine for $650, It would be interesting to get a electric ⚡ engine in the future. Try to get a badass donor car for your project, like an Audi, thx for the video👊 use the manifold gauge set is perfect for AC Freon charging put the lines in a gallon of water and release the Freon is safe it than release it in the air.
I don' think they use freon in car a/c anymore. R134a or something. Anyway, dig your honda. Got a Vino i'm doing the same 4k motor, kelley controller to.
This is peak youtube. Entertaining and informative video with multiple chances for a fatal preventable accident.
Never get rid of a car till you’re done. You never know what small fuse, switch or relay you might need
Was thinking the exact same... 👍🏻🇬🇧
I'm having a bit of a guess here, but I suspect you are having quite a lot of bother getting the system to work in a new car. Those pesky VCUs look for everything before the car will drive including the airbag sensors, key proximity detectors, high voltage continuity connections and may more bits and bobs.
Also seats
And sell the parts for a profit
Metal tools to pry out plastic high voltage disconnects definitely had me worried. I had to remind myself that you had to survive in order to post the video...
LMAO
@@ThisOldJalopy 06:20 ish.. yup, the whole thing is fkin terrifying.. secondary stands at the back. (also reminding myself that ya definitely haven't died yet) can we change the title to 'how not to...'?
Dude. The same. It’s been uploaded 😂 he made it somehow lol even with the battery removal man that was wild!!
Using a conductive crowbar to remove a HV disconnect??
The Leaf battery outputs are only live when the contactor within the battery is active. Two things stop that happening. 1) simply removing the 12V supply on the control lines will immediately click off the contactor/relay and 2) the central 'safety' disconnect in the car (5:49) physically cuts the HV circuit so it wouldn't matter if the control lines were connected or not.
If this was a demonstration of what NOT to do when working on a vehicle, you nailed it. The Final Destination horror film franchise directors may be watching this and surely get awesome ideas for a possible future movie.
Omg watching those metal tools used to pry off the bright orange high voltage connectors made my sphincter pucker 😮
I'm not too bothered by that part, they're all designed such that with the contactors open, none of them have voltage. As long as you're doing all this with the car off, that's "fine". The horribly janky way of keeping the car in the air is what's likely to kill him.
This video is the definition of why "Getting the right tools for the job" is necessary
When jacking up cars on gravel or dirt driveways plywood under all jack stands and jacks is the safe way to go, been there done that.
Glad you found someone to recover the refrigerant. But it's really a simple DIY job. TLDR: Use dry ice to suck the gas into an empty refrigerant bottle.
1. Determine what refrigerant you have. Look it up, but it's almost certainly R134a.
2. Buy a cheap manifold gauge that will attach to to port. (try Harbor Freight).
3. Get an empty bottle to store the refrigerant. Check your scrap yard. In a pinch you can use an empty propane bottle with the proper adapter. The systems Total Charge of refrigerant will tell you how many bottles you need.
4. Buy dry ice at a grocery store. This is usually located in a big box at the front of the store. Get a pound or two.
5. Buy some alcohol. Any kind will do. Isopropanol (rubbing alcohol is cheap).
6. Make a slurry of alcohol mixed with crushed dry ice. Don't worry about crushing all of it. Just break it up into pieces
Nice bro. I was trying to find reasons to hate on your project, but cheap EV conversions? Heck ya. Keep on going, mate.
Your rendition of "What a wonderful world" matched how you disassembled the car
I am so inredibly eager to see the next video, please dont hold :D
I mean obviously you survived because this video got posted but I kept half expecting this to be a snuff film. Nice stuff. I applaud your chaotic energy if not your safety acumen.
this is brilliant. please make the mercedes ev - I have a 1983 w123 like this and would love to convert it, so I can just follow along! 😂
so much comedy, but i really appreciate you sharing this so i dont have to make the same mistakes as you, which im sure i would :) My Leaf is also ready for the operating table as soon as the engine hoist arrives. Good work. And hi from the UK,
Love me a good safety 3rd video! I just went through this on model s battery repair on harbor freight jack stands…
This guy is the reason my local pick and pull salvage yard won't let you bring in a sawsall anymore lol
A 4ton hydraulic car hoist is around the $3000 mark. Less probably in the US. Worth your life, I’d say. 500 kg scissor lift under a grand in Australia, definitely less in US. But still worth your life.
I'm very thankful that you didn't arrive at your expiration date during this... Job..
Edit: The wedding ring!😮
And, just for icing on the cake, wearing a gold ring.
Came in here because I am planning to convert my karmann ghia to an EV using LEAF components. Hopefully I will learn something.
This project went from do-able to forget about it real fast. Cutting the interior wire harnesses and just taking the basics will render this a failure. Every subsystem ties to another to make that car run and drive. The canbus errors are impossible to fix or charge without the oem ecu modules. Going with a thunderstruck ecu can make it work but your still without a bms and smart charging system. Once those batteries over charge or under discharge they are toast. I have swapped a few gas cars it was an expensive learning curve.
That would be true if I intended on using the Nissan VCU, however I'm wiring in an aftermarket VSU.
You got a like and a comment when you put the high voltage sticker on the electrical tape! If you've got any questions for a Tesla mechanic let me know.
Which part of the country are you in and are you on our Facebook BMS group?
Thanks for the education, Since you asked, it's got to be the Comet to recieve the conversion. IMHO.
Hey great job getting everything out of the leaf you need on a budget with minimal tools, My kind of working too.
This is great information as to how to go about this. I'd love to do this over here in the UK.
Thanks for the video Sir.
I'm amazed you didn't fry yourself removing the HV battery with metal tools and no gloves.
Nice to know that "Thingy mac jigga" (4m 44s) is a universal word in the English speaking world!
Cheers from an Aussie in Asia!
A warning to anyone considering getting an older Leaf. Do NOT get one without a confirmed replacement "lizard" battery. Nissan does NOT use thermal management and so early batteries die a quick death in the heat. I had a 2012 (gen 1) Leaf that had dropped down to 8 "bars" (12 is max capacity) and that resulted in basically a realistic 30 mile range. Yes, I'm not exaggerating. 30 miles. Keep in mind, these only charged up (at 100% which you shouldn't charge to anyway) to around 100 miles or so.
Try 80 miles max.
100% Safe! I don’t even feel safe watching this!!!!!
I was told to never use cinder blocks in this way, as they can suddenly and completely fail and crush you. Build some out of 2x4's.
The concrete blocks where just there temporarily while I was jacking up the back of the car. I never was under the car while the cinder blocks where holding it up.
This video is a great stress test, god. Be careful my guy!
We need this done to more Suburbans from the 50's and 60's
You needed to put your floor jack on a piece of plywood or something so it could roll and take up the difference instead of tipping over the blocks.
Nissan leafs are the baddests!!!! its soul will carry on😢❤
Pro Tip. Hard surfaces like a concrete pad are better than gravel for disassembling heavy things you need to roll away on a trolley ?
Ya for sure throw down some scrap plywood or at least planks.
Go back to that salvage yard and start asking about 1/4" plate. Buy some, at least enough to put under your floor jacks because they have to roll as they lift, or the car will. Me, I've got 4 sheets of 4'x10' plate... not quite as good as concrete but if you're renting it at least works.
Holy smokes, they could have made the high voltage disconnect easier to detach!
Glad you are okay!
Nice work letting people know the proper way to dispose of freon.
I'm excited to follow this build.
MBZ conversion possibly?
You know, I've never thought about doing something like this. I wouldn't necessarily do it but It's interesting food for thought. Also you probably could have gotten a couple bucks for a lot of those interior trim panels and such, though I don't know the demand.
What in the sweet Home Alabama mechanicing am watching here..... Well invested for the danger factor now though
Would love to see the next video.
Well done, pain to be working on gravel.
So strange , I also own xc90 and love to work on those nissans leafs 😳
Kudos, I appreicate the swearing..... I know when I do stuff like this I swear a lot.... I find it cathartic!
kudos for jacking on that gravel.. dangerous- many ended it all jacking on soft ground
Please 🙏🥺 do a video on how to salvage motors for EV conversion. To save on costs, n which motors to salvage, besides Forklift motor and Nissan Leaf, which others
My kind of project. Can’t wait to see more
Man I'll give you 10/10 for determination and perseverance.👍.
Kudos for correctly explaining the issue with refrigerants venting being a major source of super pollutant greenhouse gas emissions. A residential HVAC tech could have recovered it for you I’d expect.
You're a mad dog doing that on gravel, rough as guts I love it
"There! Now it is safe!" Comedy gold. 😅
I think a good percentage of DIY people have had a please don't die moment when working with electricity. Not sure of the space in your yard but you could have recovered a fair bit of money selling the doors, seats, etc on ebay.
...window glass, brakes, CV joints, dashboard, glove box, gas cap. oh, wait - skip that last one. But definitely the doors!
All aluminum too
wonderful video and humor. kudos for not spewing freon into the atmosphere too
Jesus Christ. Ok kids and everybody else please don’t do anything that’s been done here 😅😅 omg man you had me sweating the whole time!
How about an update.
This whole video makes me so anxious
the gravel driveway and the sawzaw in the car 👌
You are an inspiration with many gifts. Thank you for sharing.
I've never said, "please don't die" more than during watching your video. At least you got the parts you needed I suppose
I feel your pain working under cars on gravel. (A couple sheets of plywood may be in your future) :) Fun following your build. My parents owned a Leaf about 10 years ago, and sold it when the battery was starting to lose capacity. I never did drive it though. I am looking into ideas for an EV conversion. Pretty intrigued with axial flux motors, and also hub motor designs. Design criteria for my EV is AWD, as I live in high elevation snow country.
Oh! Good idea! I have the same issue, but maybe worse - it's not pure gravel, it used to be a paver surface that got broken up a bit and gravel and such everywhere. I tried cardboard, not quite good enough.
I'd say the benz is the better choice. At least it's somewhat modern; I think the Mercury's suspension and steering components would have a really hard time handling the low end torque of an electric motor
What a good job. How many mpge you get??
Go classic with the 62 Comet. Have a soft spot as it was my first car. Good luck and please take care!
Oooh, this is exciting! Kinda concerned you got rid of the shell tho and cut so many wires. Hopefully the ECU/BMS systems dont pitch too much of a fit without all that other crap plugged into them
I'm looking forward to this, but I think a critical error may have been made by getting rid of the donor too soon.
I didn't have any choice, I moved to a new house right after this was filmed
@@ThisOldJalopywhat about the workshop?
Great stuff, but a floor jack in gravel is ultimate sketch!
How much did you get for the Leaf "husk"?
Hahahah you're hilarious. The dumb ways to die got me every time :D
Edit: 'this one is a byaaatch to get to' - lost it again
Definitely you should put it in to the Comet. An old-school but electric car - how dope would that be!
Oh boy, oh boy. Besides the obvious electrical hazards you put yourself into you could have made things a lot easier for yourself by just putting the car on four proper axle stands (even cheapo ones are way safer than those bricks). And putting a layer of e.g. >25 mm OSB under your engine lift and the battery carriage might also have saved you lots of pain in the back. But respect for your confidence and I'm looking forward to the next videos.
Is it worth your life . Maybe invest in a couple of more jacks for the lift.
While I have a few thoughts about getting rid of the leaf body before you were done with the swap/conversion, I say put it in the 62 Comet!
My hat's off to you. You've taken on a HUGE job. Frankly, it's probably doomed to failure. But if you've got the interest, skills, and time, go for it.
But if your goal is an inexpensive EV, you're already half-way to a far better alternative. Just swap that battery you pulled in this video into a Leaf with no damage but a dead battery. Done!
OK, you do need a little bit of software to tell the car's computer to accept the new battery, but you can find all that on the internet.
I would have paid 3 k for the battery the a/c system was still intact just remove the dash unit by cutting out the firewall and install it in the new car the same way
2014 batteries are still good?
Only to 70-80 percent or 65 miles
Ive got an 81 MB 300td (the wagon) Ive been thinking about doing a leaf electric conversion on it..... I hope you do a conversion on your 300D there are a lot of them out there..... would be great to see someone do a 300D conversion.... would encourage alot of people to do it!
Why not keep the AC system? Seems like a nice item to keep.
"obviously safety is a huge concern"
This is the point when you should re-evaluate what you're doing.
And I hit play. I was going to list the things you did wrong but it's just too long.
I'm abandoning this video at 2:18
This car was undoubtedly a repairable car. In my country, in the '90s and early 2000s, cars in much worse condition were rebuilt.
Apparently the insurance companies don't agree and won't actually pay for repairs - they consider it too dangerous and/or no profit in it. Same for most EV's.
Western world cost of labour vs cost of material goods. Swapping is cheaper than fixing.
How not to work under a car 101. The only thing I learned.
Thank you. Best ever😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤
Is there a part two?
I'm working on it right now! Should be out later this week
Also, electrical tape, TMK, is only safe for up to 600V, IIRC.
Leaf battery is 400VDC fully charged. Still wouldn't trust it.
Hey, just wondering how much did you get at the salvage yard for the leaf ? Unless you waiting to do a tally video in the near future. Great vlog of the Ev swap Mercury comet
you could have made stupid much money selling the remaining parts of that leaf.
interior parts. the doors. probably another 100 things.
Wouldn't it had been cheaper and less hassle to just fix the leaf. It was already made with the right weight.
Love your videos ! You should electify the Mercedes !
Fill up a bunch of balloons with the freon and take them to your local ac shop. They have to take them
I've wanted to convert a Subaru Brat to electric since before Tesla was a glint in Eberhard's eye.
Not sure I'd go with a leaf though. Air cooled batteries, and Chademo ew.
Probably a Bolt. Still cheap, but way more fun and capable.
Of course the thermal mgt system that made it "cooler" (PI) also gonna make it harder to swap.
We have wildly different definitions of "safe"
A few sheets of plywood over that gravel would have made your life a bit easier. Otherwise fun project.
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Old plywood sheets for the engine hoist to roll on over the gravel make life easier
Will the parts work without the instrument cluster? 🤔
Yep, I’m thinking nope!
Interesting project Where's the link to the new video? What vehicle did you decide to put it in?
You just gave me a wonderful idea.
You have to pull UP on that main power disconnect to get it unplugged not pry up from other side!
Also would it not be way easier to swap those into a FWD car as that was the basic form factor that the Leaf motor, axles etc. support! The Mercedes and Ford are RWD and therefore motor would have to go thru their transmission and expensive adaptor plates and custom hardware is needed PLUS having a electric motor going thru transmission ,rear end really is inefficient plus those both are heavy cars!
A simple lighter weight FWD car that already has an engine bay set up for those dimensions and close to same length axles like a Honda ,VW Golf etc. would make much more sense especially with Leafs small battery.
Also as another poster pointed out the Leaf battery without the stock BMS and charging infrastructure makes no sense as overcharge battery can catch fire easily and the charging is electronically controlled!
What happened after you pulled out all the parts? I subscribed but was unable to see any follow-up clips. I enjoy watching your work, please continue to share your EV conversion project.
Working on a follow up video now! We moved to a new house so I wasn't able to work on this project for a while
Ya thanks very interesting. Look forward to the next videoes. Good luck. M
Look at all that plastic and composite materials in there! Wonder how much oil and derivatives was used in manufacturing???
Now all you have to do is total a 30K nissan leaf to get the cheap ev.
Brother, you need to dry pour you some reinforced slabs lol
Hi great video and funny, how much do you pay for the Nissan leaf? Did you get it in an specific website? I swapped my engine if my 09 Altima now I have a 50k miles engine for $650, It would be interesting to get a electric ⚡ engine in the future.
Try to get a badass donor car for your project, like an Audi, thx for the video👊 use the manifold gauge set is perfect for AC Freon charging put the lines in a gallon of water and release the Freon is safe it than release it in the air.
Incorrect
I don' think they use freon in car a/c anymore. R134a or something. Anyway, dig your honda. Got a Vino i'm doing the same 4k motor, kelley controller to.