@@tarheel7406 that’s actually a valid question and I’m not sure I have the answer. I think it all comes down to what teams are ultimately left in each conference.
@@tarheel7406Here are some potential answers to your question, in general terms, since we don't know who would be left in a rebuilt ACC: 1) inventory in 3 (or 4?) time zones vs 1?, 2) Big 12, even after being savaged multiple times, has 13+ schools (what is the ACC's path back to 12-16?), 3) Big 12 basketball, by most measures, is the best and deepest basketball conference, 4) Big 12 already has a seat at the P3/5 table and we're talking about an unknown in ACC, 5) Rebuilt Big 12 just put a school in CGP final, 6) Texas recruiting pipeline (and, now, Florida)
@@tarheel7406 I could be wrong..but from what I understand in order for the ACC to add/expand they would have to renegotiate the media deal thus opening the door for FSU, Miami, Clemson to make their dash to the SEC, also opening the door for North Carolina and Virginia to do whatever they want to do. If those teams are to leave then we would be coming into a much weaker conference with a very questionable future or at the very least a major hit to guaranteed media money
Thanks! As I replied to another poster, my fan experience at away games since WVU joined the Big 12 has been amazing and far more positive than the Big East days. Haven't been to a few stadiums, but most. Amazing fans! Huge shout out to Okie State and Iowa State! My father is disabled and the staff and fans at those venues went above and beyond! I Hope the Big 12 thrives and WVU can remain in the conference for may years to come.
The good news is that West Virginia isn’t going anywhere . The Big 12 is home. What we can do is grow our own brand within the conference. The ACC didn’t make Clemson a big brand, Clemson did it on its own, we can too👍
We had a brand and going well but WVU did everything they could to destroy it with coaching picks in both FB and BB. It will take at least 3 years once Brown is gone and Gee.
RR or Tony Gibson. But first need to get rid of Brown and Gee. They are poison for WVU and need to get out asap. Funny about WVU some WVU fans they loved and refer to the glory days of WVU FB going to and winning bowls but still hate the GUY who ran that era, RR. Most do not know why RR left WVU and will never know the real reason but that is OK. GIBBY might be the better pick BUT either IMO would turn this mess around in WVU football.
I definitely would opt out of not wanting to join the ACC just to put West Virginia in a Limbo state when teams leave ACC like Clemson, Florida State, Miami, UNC, and Virginia to SEC or B1G
@@garagebeers1 "they wouldn’t. If you have a bid to the B1G or SEC you would be crazy not to take it strictly from a revenue standpoint" I referenced neither the B1G nor SEC. Why would ACC remainders favor a Tier 2 BIG12 over a rebuilt Tier 2 ACC?
@@tarheel7406 well that’s hard to say. I guess it would all come down to media money and who has more at that point so it’s hard to predict (at least for me) but I would guess that at that point the brands left in the ACC as a remainder would bring less to the table than the Big 12 but that really would depend on who left the ACC and who the Big 12 adds.
3 reasons for us to be in the ACC #1 Pitt is in the ACC #2 VT is in the ACC #3 Syracuse is in the ACC Then every year out of conference play Penn State and Maryland
Great video, Couz. I agree with everything you mentioned. The long-term stability pros outweigh the travel con you mentioned. Also - much respect for the G&B Dude tribute. He’d love this WVU / ACC news! Keep up the great work!
@@kennunn3060 It would STRENGTHEN the GOR if the ACC added teams. It would increase the number of teams needed to dissolve the ACC. The PAC and XII GOR's were SO STRONG the BIG and SEC could not break them until the LAST TWO YEARS of the GOR. ACC still has 13 years left on their GOR, nobody is going anywhere.
@@MercerKnowsBall only if ESPN says so pac 12 teams would keep it the same. Adding teams don't change value if ESPN says they agree. Adding like value teams don't add value. ESPN just says add them at same amount
@@MercerKnowsBalllol even after f they desolve the acc each school would be responsible for making ESPN whole for reminding 13 years. So that's around 200 million. Businesses don't do business with people that break contracts.
Lie!! WVU would add value, but if WVU stays put, when the ACC falls apart -- if the BXII can get Pitt, Va Tech, Louisville, and (Ga Tech? Duke? NC State?) then not only does the BXII become more valuable but the value of WVU rockets up much closer to full potential with great rivalries!! Hang in there, WVU, we got you!! Go Big 12! Rock Chalk Jayhawks!!!
@@necromancerpinball569 Given the history and what has and hasn't happened during realignment, it is now proven that WVU is not value additive to the current ACC. What you believe or think doesn't matter. The ACC would have made an academic exception for WVU if doing so would close the revenue gap enough. ACC remainders are not likely to move to the BIG12. For what purpose? The new BIG12 has no feasible path to be a peer #3 in a P3 world. None. The revenue/power gap is already at critical mass, and the SEC/B1G are adding tentpoles and other big brands while the BIG12 can only tread water. This is the reality that the BIG12 and the other likely remainders must face in order to make good decisions.
Yeah, I wish Chris could see this and whatever else is coming too. Anyways, I think it's probably for the best that WVU stays put too... I imagine most of the big east will be available for the big-12 to have their pick from if the ACC can't find a solution to the TV money issue. Maybe not Miami... and possibly not VT... but Syracuse, Louisville and Pitt are likely to be up on the chopping block, which is sad for Pitt as they are a fantastic high research university that is putting in the effort...
They didn't want us before and the ACC seems on shakey ground. The Big 12 sent us a lifeline when the big east fell apart. I do miss playing Pitt and Va Tech but let's stay with a more stable conference. Also the snub can't be forgotten. So NO!!! Stay with the Big 12. Let's see how this new realignment goes... No, not now
My how things change n just a year, just 1 years ago I wanted WV n the ACC. But with the ACC now being unstable now I agree we need to stay where we are, although I would like our rivals back with VT, Pitt, and even Louisville.
A rebuilt Tier 2 ACC should be no less stable than the Tier 2 BIG12, so that isn't really a factor. Won't the future choice be between a national BIG12 with fewer rivals vs. a regional ACC with more rivals?
@@Professional_street_hustler a) I'm interested in realignment in general b) I'm interested in what happens to the likely ACC remainders Already said I have no dog in this fight, so I'm offering things to consider. The reality is that the SEC/B1G will finish consolidating the brands and flags they want, and then they will separate from the rest for a closed Tier 1 and playoff. Everyone should hope to make that Tier 1 cut but be realistic. In my mind, the likely remainders need to decide on what the Tier 2 should look like, where each Tier 2 team prefers to be within, and act towards that goal. Will it be a Tier 2 league in the form of some national BIG12? Will it be 2 or more Tier 2 conferences? Should those conferences be regional? WVU may make the cut into an ~24-team SEC, but what if it doesn't. What is best for WVU as part of a Tier 2 world?
Gold and Blue Dude, the first channel I ever subscribed to, and the man who told me I should subscribe to your channel. I miss him every day, and I'm grateful. he told me about your channel. I can't say that I always agree with what you say, but I do enjoy hearing your opinions. Keep up the good work! BTW stay in the Big 12, you have a chance to compete there, in the ACC you would be a bottom feeder.
Thanks for the support. How would we be a bottom feeder? We are just as good or better than GT, Wake, Duke, UVA, Syracuse, BC, and maybe even NC State. We beat VT two years in a row and should have won over Pitt last year, who is one of the league’s best teams.
Even as a TT fan I loved watching GBD comment on live WV games. He was so animated that the entertainment value was off the charts. I wish every fan base had a guy who watched the games on TV and reacted in real time on youtube (actually there was about a 5 second delay which made it even more interesting). Again hats off to GBD the great entertainer and speculator.
I disagree about WVU being a better culture fit for the Big 12 because they are a better geographical fit for the ACC. However, like you said, the Big 12 is a lot more stable than the ACC is right now so we should stay where we are.
Really good video bringing out the sunglasses 😎.. Yeah that would be so dumb for us to leave now.. If Florida State goes it won't be long until Miami and Clemson follow.. We need to just wait and try to bring in Pitt, VT and Louisville to the Big12 once Florida State leaves
@@manipulatedworld5355 "Because of a better conference with a better commissioner" Why a better conference? More brands? Diluted regionality? Would pay the same? Both irrelevant to the then Tier 1. Why a better commissioner? BY has to throw Hail Marys and seize opportunities resulting for the failures of others. JP has to just do no harm.
@@BJtheMountaineerguy "Because of money" The money would be peer. "why would they stay" An existing legacy brand, regionality, better academic association, better overall sports, etc.
As much as the Mountaineers are a great school in the Big12, they’d be better off in the ACC. It’s been a mutual benefit, but the travel is horrible and it hurts their competitiveness. They’d be a solid add anywhere.
One final thought. The Big 12 is adding teams out west because of the fact the PAC-12 is falling apart. If if was the ACC falling apart like that too, Brett Yomark would negotiate with those teams too. I think the Big 12 will eventually expand to 20 bringing in ACC teams eventually.
B12 is shaping up to be no. 3, they have a commish that knows what he is doing. Why would WVU want to move to ACC when ACC has several teams looking to leave it. Doesn't the Grant of Rights dissolve if 8 teams apply to leave? I get the rivalries and the cost of travel, etc, but that should not be the reason to leave a stable conf. At least wait until we see what other teams in P12 are doing and the money-per-team for media rights, etc. P12 blinked first, dominoes will start. I'd hate to move to ACC only to see ACC implode when Miami, Clemson, etc leave for P2 confs. And 2022 payout was better in B12 than ACC, and WVU would have to pay to leave.
For the new BIG12 to get to #3, the current ACC would have to heavily deplete. If that happens, #3 won't matter. This is the reality that escapes BIG12 fans.
@@tarheel7406 It's not the current "lineup", but post-expansion will determine #3. I read somewhere that as many as 7 teams want out of ACC and I thought I read somewhere that 8 teams leaving dissolves GoR or buyout requirement, or whatever, meaning conference can't keep them from leaving. Only P2 confs don't have to worry about a mass exodus of teams. If Miami, FS, Clemson, VA, VT, NC, NCS leave, would ACC still be viewed as #3?
@@bostacker6675 The new BIG12 is a distant #4 in both value and power. The current revenue gap triggered the demise of the PAC and has the ACC in critical condition. The new BIG12 has no feasible path to close that gap. If the ACC depletes out to the SEC/B1G, the gap gets wider. If the ACC depletes and the gap widens, the new #3 new BIG will not be competitive with the SEC/B1G due to recruiting, exposure, money. The P2 will separate from the rest and host a closed playoff. This is the reality that the new BIG12 is not facing. The PAC did not face the reality of its true media value and act accordingly, so it's now depleting out to a Tier 3. The new BIG12 not facing reality won't be fatal, it's already a Tier 2. It may cause harm to itself and members.
@@Stud_muffin "If Miami, FS, Clemson, VA, VT, NC, NCS leave, would ACC still be viewed as #3?" #3 won't matter then. There will be a closed, separate Tier 1 P2. Why can't B12 fans see this? Does RC matter in a Coke/Pepsi world?
Have to sanity check rumors. WVA would love to be in the ACC and it was their target for a long time but they are locked into a 6-year grant of rights with an additional 2 years exit fee as a part of 99-year commitment. Even after discounts there is no way WVA is buying their way out of that deal to make less in the ACC.
Realignment changed and will continue to change rivalries. However, WVU can rent as many as two ACC teams for OOC games, as it did last season with Pitt and Va Tech, and sellout the house for its fans at home and on the road.
You certainly make a great sale Couz. The rivalries would be great to watch. Also I can attest that there are many West Virginia alumni and fans in North Carolina. However the people in the know on this matter insist that it doesn't work very well when it's time to make the direct deposit down at the bank. What you really need is a baby boom in WV. There is another long shot that could work in the favor of West Virginia. As more electric cars are manufactured there will be a major increase in the need for coal to generate electricity. This need could be a big boost for the entire West Virginia economy and even grow your state in population. Then there is always the old bring Notre Dame football with you as your prom date and that would fix everything.
Adding WV would add value because, in part, the ACC deal is that undervalued. It just wouldn't have a sufficient impact for the Seminoles and Tigers. If I was a fan of the bottom half of ACC brands, I would love to have WV.
This sounds like an end run around the grant of rights. My understanding, and I may be wrong, is that if the ACC expands a new tv deal must be negotiated (the renegotiation process would also require a new grant of rights). If that happens FSU, Miami, Clemson and UNC are gone to the SEC. Then what do you have as a conference?
"Then what do you have as a conference" An east coast version of the new BIG12. This discussion isn't about joining the current ACC vs. staying in the new BIG12. WVU is not getting an invite to be an addition to the current ACC. Simplify things. ~10 years ago both the ACC and BIG12 lose their top 6. WVU gets an invite from both to be a replacement. What does WVU do?
The only option other than the Big 12 that would make since right now would be the SEC... but I wouldn't count on an invite from them unless the SEC wanted a decent filler/even number to go along with a power program, and WVU just happened to find the golden ticket in their candy bar!
6 years ago I would have argued WVU was more than a filler…however my beloved team has taken a hit to the brand instead of the upward trajectory we did have. So with that said…yeah…you’re correct
OState Cowboy here WV cant leave bc i havent made a road game to Morgantown yet. Out of all the Big12 teams ive been to OU, KU, and Texas, but WV is where i want to go see a game the most!!
ACCORDING TO SOURCES ACC MEMBERS NOW WANTS OUT OF THERE CONFERENCE CONTRACT THEY NEED 8-9 SCHOOLS TO MOVE AHEAD THEN BIG12 WOULD MAKE A MOVE TO GET SOME IN OUR CONFERENCE WHICH WOULD HELP WV OUT BIG TIME…
Pay the estimated 50m exit fee, for 13 year GOR for an additional 52 m over the 13 years, a 2 million return on investment of .3%😱 Additionally, risk another disaster of instability, and where would they go when the ACC dissolves in 2036. I just don’t see it.
It may all depend on if UCONN being admitted into the BIG XII or another East Coast team joining the BIG XII Conference. It would be a lateral move money wise for WVM. But 2035 is a long ways away
My understanding is that FSU wants expansion so that it opens up the chance for them to leave when the contract is renegotiated. Clemson and FSU want out. If WVU leaves will they really get a better deal?
The parties can renegotiate without putting the GOR at risk as long as the per team payout doesn't drop as a result. WVU would likely lower the average ACC value but could (though unlikely) increase the contract rate. FSU could argue that diluting value harms future look ins and future renegotiations. The problem is that FSU can't support and vote for an expansion, and then claim that expansion harmed its interests. That's why no ACC school with options will vote for a dilutive addition and why such an expansion can't get the votes. Any dilutive expansion to the current ACC but works for a rebuilding ACC would best be done as part of an overall settlement.
It would certainly help with our travel expenses if we went to the ACC. Of course, it would be wonderful to play all our old rivals again. If the ACC can get a better media deal that would help even more, but not sure that’s going to happen.
WVU needs to stay in the Big 12. The ACC had several times they could have took WVU ,but they thumb their nose each time. Big 12 is more stable and besides the exit fee WVU would have to shell out to leave would be disastrous.
I think it would be irresponsible for WVU to jump to what will probably be an extinct league. If they sit tight, they will soon be in the same league as sPITTsburg the Big 12. Thedn WVU will be reunited with sPITTsburg and Cincinatti. Not a bad reunion with old foes.
Couz today i went to talk about WVU vs Penn St to a texas fan and before i could even get a word out about the match up i got laughed off and told quote "Penn st vs WVU will be a blow out" i know PSU has that top 10 Defense but do you really think we will get blow out?
I actually do. Penn State may have the best D line in the country and their O-line may be just as good. They are stacked. The one thing that may help WVU is the fact PSU will be starting a true freshman QB. Although, he’s extremely talented.
@@CouzsCornerSports im actually glad we're not playing a cupcake team first..I'd rather play a tough team see where we are weak and need improvement and THEN play the cupcake rather then vice versa
@@CouzsCornerSports plus I did a little research and it definitely shows teams that have a easy schedule for the first 3 or 4 weeks actually end up struggling the rest of the season but teams that have tougher opponents at the start tend to actually do better not like they went on to beat everyone but "Harder then easy" seems to work out better rather then "Easy then harder"
West Virginia and UCF join the ACC so Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona St., Oregon, and Washington can all join the Big-12. Oregon St. Washington St. Cal and Stanford join the Mountain West.
If I'm WVU, I would prefer moving to a rebuilding regional Tier 2 ACC rather than staying in a national Tier 2 BIG12, but I can also respect inertia, loyalty, and perceived insults.
LOL. I like your idea. But if ACC is taking WVU +1 we want Cincinnati over UCF. That Ohio Market fills that gap we have between Indiana and Pennsylvania on the Conference Map so does WVU. UCF can only come if FSU and Miami leave.
@@MercerKnowsBall You post a lot of nonsense and fantasy. Only a heavily depleted and rebuilding ACC would be expanding to a bigger degree, and WVU, UCF & CINCY would all likely be of interest.
I get where WVU is at, but I really hope they don't leave the Big XII. West Virginia has been a great addition to the conference and has only been a benefit to the the culture of the league even when they're down. I agree with the commenters below; if the ACC implodes, we should snag up WVUs rivals. That would put so much to right and unburden a class act university of a portion of their travel expenses.
Look Ive advocated for WVU to the ACC for a long long time. However, over the years my opinion has changed. While regionally it makes sense, I almost feel like the Big12 has purposely expanded east for WVU. Big12 looks really good right now, and I dont think I would leave...
WVU would be crazy to leave now. The ACC signed a bad TV contact that last until the end of time. Plus they have a travel partner with Cinny and UCF now.
Think there needs to be some discussion on the possibilities of WVU getting a call from the SEC with these latest rumors. In 2011, bleacher report cited how the SEC was making a decision between Mizzu and WVU and the SEC presidents granted the commissioner permission to start talks. Obviously they went with Mizzu over facility improvements and such WVU needed and other things which in the last decade, has been corrected. Jim Williams reported a month ago of the SEC models of expanding having tier 1 being FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, and tier 2 being VT, UVA, Duke, and….. WVU. With the latest rumors of Clemson and FSU thinking about the big 10 and if that happens, there would be theoretically 2 spots to fill with 2 of their tier 1 teams going to the big 10. They’d obvious be adding UNC and Miami but who’s the next 2 they are adding from their tier 2? Duke is a basketball brand and a great brand to have don’t get me wrong. But you have to think the way the tv companies have been evaluating value which has been expanding into new markets. By adding UNC you don’t need to expand to the NC tv market anymore. Yes you have Florida and are adding Miami but Miami is a blue blood. Same thing with already being in Texas with Texas A&M but adding Texas. If you add WVU and VT your adding two new market you aren’t in and a trophy rivalry game to your tv package. It’s not crazy to think that if Clemson and FSU join the big 10, WVU may have a legitimate shot to getting an SEC invite.
I'm watching this again 7 days later, on the 5th, as the dust from yesterday is still settling. I want to say thank GOD for Ollie Luck in 2010 and Brett Yormark now. The Big 12 is healthy and strong, and so are my Mountaineers. Screw the ACC. I hope it ends up just like the PAC.
Let's not overlook the huge exit fee to leave the Big 12. For less money? Granted we would have less travel costs, less wear & tear on our athletes, more ability for our fans to attend away games, etc. I get that, but I'd rather remain with the conference which threw us a lifeline when we needed it badly; otherwise we would have become an AAC team. On the contrary, the ACC has thumbed their noses at us for years, and I personally have a hard time overlooking that. I am confident that with Brett Yormark's vision and leadership, the Big 12 is more stable than in recent years, and is a conference on the upswing. Only my personal beliefs and I'm enjoying reading the other comments with varying perspectives. Let's Go Mountaineers!💛💙
I live in Atlanta. I would love the away games being closer to my home. I say stay in the Big 12. We're in a good place even though we suck right now. Now, if Oregon jumps in and the ACC keeps their big names and the money matches or grows, I could be swayed.
@@tarheel7406 I agree. Just saying.. Everything is speculative. I hope the Big12 grabs Oregon. If Brett is trying to be cool and make money moves, sell the naming rights to the conference to Nike. Become the "Nike's Big 16" conference. Hook the players up with Nike gear, ad opportunities and require every school to wear only Nike uniforms. Oregon would hop on board in a heartbeat, because Phil Knight told them to, of course. Again, just speculating, guessing, thinking and maybe hoping a bit.
@@ryans2542 OREGON likely now realized that its chances of a B1G invite are very low, so the Tier 2 BIG12 is better than the soon to be Tier 3 PAC. While hoping for an SEC +1 invite, WVU needs to decide what the Tier 2 level will/should look like and its preferred place within. The ACC will not invite (if ever) WVU unless and until its average team value drops to WVU's level by either depletion and/or depreciation. The choice will then be a national Tier 2 BIG12 or a regional Tier 2 ACC.
@gregcarver1915 I would have loved to have had them to though. They got greedy. If Nike sponsors the big 12, they could have made more. So could every other school. Just saying...
It's hard to see how this helps the ACC problems. Unless this results in significantly higher TV $ per school, FSU is still going to be unhappy and will continue to want a higher share. Unequal shares will lead to unstability and, therefore, isn't a long-term or even mid-term solution. Also, what is the cost for WVU to buy its way out of the Big 12.
Yea it would probably happen because it would be an ignorant move to leave the Big 12 for a conference on the brink of collapse an that would be just WVU luck to go to a conference they will be begging to get out of when all the good teams leave
I hope WVU officials are forward thinking and can see that Pitt and Virginia Tech will be coming to the Big 12 when the SEC takes Clemson and Florida State and Big 10 takes UNC and Virginia
@@manipulatedworld5355 THAT is NEVER going to happen If you want to see the REALITY of the ACC you need to READ my post that starts with; "COUZ... I had to get this to you." It breaks down 7 years of moves the ACC has made that will put it ABOVE the BIG in Revenue by 2026. But WARNING it is LONG AF, make sure you have some time to read it all.
They won’t leave the big 12 we’ll stay where we are to much money to lose. This day and age moneys the name of the game it’s no longer about playing for the school you love
This year's payout, after all was said and done, for every Big 12 school was approx. $44 million. Unless your going to the SEC or Big 10 an organization would think long and hard before leaving.
With TX/OK. The PAC, BIG12 and likely eventually the ACC have yet to suffer the full effects of losing their biggest draws/brands. Again, the questions is what should the Tier 2 look like and where does WVU want to be within same.
WVU is now the 3rd highest spender in Big12 in travel begind BYU and UCF. Better option is wait for ACC to fall apart, Big12 adds a few more east coast schools and have a east and west division.
Couz, Greg Hunter on Sportline said yesterday that it’s “100’s of millions of dollars”. Does that mean $200Mil, $300mil or more? Who knows. Safe to say it’s easily over $100 Million
IMO, UWV showed what happens when a school moves to a conference and becomes an island unto themselves. All their conference games were across country. UWV didn’t have NIL, the transfer portal or huge money payouts that may make a difference for these other schools that are making conference moves in todays landscape. In todays landscape, UWV can have success again but they have to make some hard decisions on their coaching. IMO, it’s the coaching that has been their liability the past couple of years and is holding them back to gaining their competitiveness once again.
How does SMU helps anybody? Nobody in Texas pays attention to them. They are a stretch to get a footprint in Texas. By that logic, you could get the same footprint with Rice, UTEP or North Texas. The Mean Green would get you in the Dallas/Ft. Worth market too.
Who will be in the ACC when/if WV gets invited? Is an ACC without Miami, Clemson, FSU & UVa a conference WV wants to be in? Let’s say the ACC invites WV, SMU, USF and Rice to replace four schools they will likely lose! How would fans like playing those schools? But, the ACC has to be intriguing for fans, since many teams are within driving distance of WV. Fans can drive to games without breaking the bank for flights.
ACC will not be able to expand with any viable candidates that would bring/add any value to the ACC. Why? A grant of Rights that runs almost forever. The ACC is not only unstable but keep your eyes on FSU to soon make moves. The ACC is about to be destabilized.
ACC GOR is only 5 years longer than the one the XII is under RIGHT NOW. Only 3 years longer than the one the XII ad PAC have been under the last Decade ACC is making 150% of what XII is making right now and is about to DOUBLE it. You wouldn't take TWICE the money? FSU is going NOWHERE BIG and SEC couldn't get the 4 schools they just got until their GOR was in the LAST TWO years... FSU has 13 years left FSU is not leaving and it going to be VERY HAPPY that they didn't VERY SOON
Actually, I think the ACC GOR is no longer valid once the contract is open for renegotiation. I don’t see ESPN desires regulating the ACC to a 2nd rate conference. Florida State raised the $150 million ACC exit fee in less than 48 hours. ESPN would need to desire & help in facilitate any movement out of the ACC. Most likely Florida State & Clemson would be properties ESPN would prefer moving to the SEC. UNC & NC State are tied at the hip, and the same can be said for Virginia & Virginia Tech. To me ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips is trying to do too little, too late. The last I heard from FSU was 2 - 5 years before an exit from the ACC. There is no bad blood with the ACC, but trying to compete against your instate rival; which, is bringing in 2 to 3 times the amount of tv revenue is difficult. Up to this point FSU has relied on other revenue of $87 million before any tv revenue is added. Perhaps Tar Heel has some insight into UNC? ✌🏼
What about this, 1. Colorado Stanford Cal, the 4 corner schools to the Big 12 2. Oregon and Washington to the Big 10 3. Florida State and Clemson to the SEC 4. WVU, Cincinnati, and UConn to the ACC I know it's a pipe dream, and the money isn't there, but man that would be awesome for WVU fans
Couz, my brother, nothing but love and respect for you but if was in the decision makers room at WVU, i would stay put in the B12. I am a Nole to the core as you know and the two conferences tv deals are close. In the next 3 to 5 years, they will remain close. The ACC simply rested on the graces of the status quo and lost focus on the big picture. ESPN is in a financial cloud at the moment....losing both money and subscribers. You can rest assured that the ESECPN invextment will be the priority for the foreseeable future. The Big Ten actually took note and shifted from cable to more traditional TV ops by partnering with CBS, NBC, and Fox as well as the B10 network. I said before in your forum and in GBD
This is as silly as SDSU joining the PAC, a sinking ship. Even if the ACC adds schools, if they end up losing 6-8 best schools (some that could come to the Big 12), the musical chairs may end up back firing if Pitt & Virginia Tech flipped over to the Big 12. The ACC is going to lose a lot of value & that's why WVU may end up going backwards instead of forwards. If the ACC loses Florida State, Clemson, Miami, Virginia, North Carolina, NC State, Louisville you'd lose the heart of the conference (basically the AAC).. Good show Couz. I think even Gold & Blue Dude would agree with you here. In the end I think UConn, Pitt, Louisville & VT will be in the Big 12 in the next cycle when the ACC starts dealing with the same issues as the PAC is now.
You got it exactly right, Simon. If the ACC were to try to add any schools they would lose several schools, mostly the big brands and Yormark would love to add Duke to the Big 12 to reinforce the Big 12 as the best basketball conference.
@@im4usm2 a) The BIG12 has already lost its top 6 b) Vert unlikely DUKE is an option for the BIG12 c) The BIG12 is not the best b-ball conference. Maybe tied at 2nd with the BIGEAST.
@@tarheel7406 Likely that Duke goes wherever North Carolina goes (if they go), as those are two of only 4 basketball bluebloods (along with Kentucky and Kansas, although UCLA has re-emerged and UCONN is making some noise).
@@ExhaultedPoobah Recent events and credible reports suggest that DUKE will not be coattailed by UNC. The question then is what are DUKE's options and in what order of preference.
Sorry about gold and blue dude couz. I wasn't really a big fan of his but he had his moments. I have an idea for you or another WVU guy to keep GBD around. Get the clowntineer going again in his memory. R.I.P.
Great show. I know you guys would fit in fine with acc. But, acc wll be as long as the tv deal is alive. Rite now the west Virginia byout is like 230 million. Lolin 5 years its 80 million. I dnt you get many at big 12 wanting to give much of a deal this early in the contract. We couldnt see wv wanting to pay that kinda of money for a better fitting couch. Lol
@@CouzsCornerSports it was early when I wrote this. I made a mess of it. Basically wv doesn't have the money to buyout and go to the acc. Even in 5 years you think wv would pay 40 million to leave. We know the pac 12 will be gone. The big 12 will get an increase in 5 years. Would you pay 40 million to go to a worse deal.
I don't understand why the ACC would want WVU or why WVU would want to join the ACC. The ACC is living on borrowed time. The Big 12 is growing and is stable.
@@trclark7689 The ACC has never seriously considered inviting WVU. Always rejected applications and internally rejrcted at least twice during this story. Regardless, a rebuilt ACC would just be as stable as the rebuilt BIG12.
I think we would be crazy to leave the big 12 right now. Leave security and growth for the unstable/restless ACC.
I don't care what WVU does (no dog in fight), but why would a rebuilt Tier 2 ACC be less stable than the rebuilt Tier 2 BIG12?
Screw ACC, Brett Yormark is on fire!
@@tarheel7406 that’s actually a valid question and I’m not sure I have the answer. I think it all comes down to what teams are ultimately left in each conference.
@@tarheel7406Here are some potential answers to your question, in general terms, since we don't know who would be left in a rebuilt ACC: 1) inventory in 3 (or 4?) time zones vs 1?, 2) Big 12, even after being savaged multiple times, has 13+ schools (what is the ACC's path back to 12-16?), 3) Big 12 basketball, by most measures, is the best and deepest basketball conference, 4) Big 12 already has a seat at the P3/5 table and we're talking about an unknown in ACC, 5) Rebuilt Big 12 just put a school in CGP final, 6) Texas recruiting pipeline (and, now, Florida)
@@tarheel7406 I could be wrong..but from what I understand in order for the ACC to add/expand they would have to renegotiate the media deal thus opening the door for FSU, Miami, Clemson to make their dash to the SEC, also opening the door for North Carolina and Virginia to do whatever they want to do. If those teams are to leave then we would be coming into a much weaker conference with a very questionable future or at the very least a major hit to guaranteed media money
Oklahoma State fan here. I like having WVU in the conference, and I sincerely hope y’all don’t ever leave
Thank you. I have grown very fond of the Big 12.
Thanks! As I replied to another poster, my fan experience at away games since WVU joined the Big 12 has been amazing and far more positive than the Big East days. Haven't been to a few stadiums, but most. Amazing fans! Huge shout out to Okie State and Iowa State! My father is disabled and the staff and fans at those venues went above and beyond! I Hope the Big 12 thrives and WVU can remain in the conference for may years to come.
The good news is that West Virginia isn’t going anywhere . The Big 12 is home. What we can do is grow our own brand within the conference. The ACC didn’t make Clemson a big brand, Clemson did it on its own, we can too👍
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We had a brand and going well but WVU did everything they could to destroy it with coaching picks in both FB and BB. It will take at least 3 years once Brown is gone and Gee.
Just need to get Rich Rod back
RR or Tony Gibson. But first need to get rid of Brown and Gee. They are poison for WVU and need to get out asap. Funny about WVU some WVU fans they loved and refer to the glory days of WVU FB going to and winning bowls but still hate the GUY who ran that era, RR. Most do not know why RR left WVU and will never know the real reason but that is OK. GIBBY might be the better pick BUT either IMO would turn this mess around in WVU football.
@@pitchshot2868 I’d actually be a fan of Gibby running the program.
Oklahoma State fan here. We love the rowdy WV Mountaineers! Colorful and fun bunch. Stay with the Big 12, we love ya!
Thank you. We feel at home now.
I definitely would opt out of not wanting to join the ACC just to put West Virginia in a Limbo state when teams leave ACC like Clemson, Florida State, Miami, UNC, and Virginia to SEC or B1G
Dream scenario for WV and UCF is ACC collapsing and B12 picking up 4 ACC schools.
Why would ACC remainders favor a Tier 2 BIG12 over a rebuilt Tier 2 ACC?
Yeah a DREAM, as in it is NOT REALITY.
@@tarheel7406 truth is….they wouldn’t. If you have a bid to the B1G or SEC you would be crazy not to take it strictly from a revenue standpoint
@@garagebeers1 "they wouldn’t. If you have a bid to the B1G or SEC you would be crazy not to take it strictly from a revenue standpoint"
I referenced neither the B1G nor SEC. Why would ACC remainders favor a Tier 2 BIG12 over a rebuilt Tier 2 ACC?
@@tarheel7406 well that’s hard to say. I guess it would all come down to media money and who has more at that point so it’s hard to predict (at least for me) but I would guess that at that point the brands left in the ACC as a remainder would bring less to the table than the Big 12 but that really would depend on who left the ACC and who the Big 12 adds.
No to the Acc
As a TTU grad, don't leave us WVU. You are one of the hateful 8, a bond that should never be broken.
I appreciate the respect. Most of us have grown to love the Big 12.
Why?? We need to tell the Tea Sippers Conference to go pound sand!! Full stop!!
I did love your shout out to GnBDude!! Miss the fellow Mountaineer!!
3 reasons for us to be in the ACC
#1 Pitt is in the ACC
#2 VT is in the ACC
#3 Syracuse is in the ACC
Then every year out of conference play Penn State and Maryland
Great video, Couz.
I agree with everything you mentioned. The long-term stability pros outweigh the travel con you mentioned. Also - much respect for the G&B Dude tribute. He’d love this WVU / ACC news!
Keep up the great work!
Thank you.
Why would a rebuilding ACC be less stable?
I think it would be a mistake now. ACC seems to be in a weak state now… If the SEC or B1G calls, you go..
Acc can not break the GOR by adding teams sorry that does not work
@@kennunn3060 It would STRENGTHEN the GOR if the ACC added teams.
It would increase the number of teams needed to dissolve the ACC.
The PAC and XII GOR's were SO STRONG the BIG and SEC could not break them until the LAST TWO YEARS of the GOR.
ACC still has 13 years left on their GOR, nobody is going anywhere.
@@kennunn3060 contracts are broken all the time by both sides…. If there are enough teams that want out sooner, it’ll be broken…
@@MercerKnowsBall only if ESPN says so pac 12 teams would keep it the same. Adding teams don't change value if ESPN says they agree. Adding like value teams don't add value. ESPN just says add them at same amount
@@MercerKnowsBalllol even after f they desolve the acc each school would be responsible for making ESPN whole for reminding 13 years. So that's around 200 million. Businesses don't do business with people that break contracts.
Be nice to have closer teams to play rivals ect. If acc would stable up more it could be ok
You are truly a gentleman WVU podcast host with the professionally done tribute to Gold N Blue Dude!
Excellent and necessary!
Thank you
The ACC has already said that they haven't found any teams that increase the conference value
yep..why add anyone thats not gonna increase value..
Lie!! WVU would add value, but if WVU stays put, when the ACC falls apart -- if the BXII can get Pitt, Va Tech, Louisville, and (Ga Tech? Duke? NC State?) then not only does the BXII become more valuable but the value of WVU rockets up much closer to full potential with great rivalries!! Hang in there, WVU, we got you!! Go Big 12! Rock Chalk Jayhawks!!!
@@necromancerpinball569 Given the history and what has and hasn't happened during realignment, it is now proven that WVU is not value additive to the current ACC. What you believe or think doesn't matter. The ACC would have made an academic exception for WVU if doing so would close the revenue gap enough.
ACC remainders are not likely to move to the BIG12. For what purpose?
The new BIG12 has no feasible path to be a peer #3 in a P3 world. None. The revenue/power gap is already at critical mass, and the SEC/B1G are adding tentpoles and other big brands while the BIG12 can only tread water. This is the reality that the BIG12 and the other likely remainders must face in order to make good decisions.
@@necromancerpinball569 I know WV would add value and you know it, but I'm just repeating what the ACC already reported.
Thanks!
Thank you.
Yeah, I wish Chris could see this and whatever else is coming too. Anyways, I think it's probably for the best that WVU stays put too... I imagine most of the big east will be available for the big-12 to have their pick from if the ACC can't find a solution to the TV money issue. Maybe not Miami... and possibly not VT... but Syracuse, Louisville and Pitt are likely to be up on the chopping block, which is sad for Pitt as they are a fantastic high research university that is putting in the effort...
They didn't want us before and the ACC seems on shakey ground. The Big 12 sent us a lifeline when the big east fell apart. I do miss playing Pitt and Va Tech but let's stay with a more stable conference. Also the snub can't be forgotten. So NO!!! Stay with the Big 12. Let's see how this new realignment goes... No, not now
My how things change n just a year, just 1 years ago I wanted WV n the ACC. But with the ACC now being unstable now I agree we need to stay where we are, although I would like our rivals back with VT, Pitt, and even Louisville.
A rebuilt Tier 2 ACC should be no less stable than the Tier 2 BIG12, so that isn't really a factor. Won't the future choice be between a national BIG12 with fewer rivals vs. a regional ACC with more rivals?
West Virginia is not going to the ACC. The ACC denied West Virginia in the past.
Things change.
The current ACC has no interest in WVU. A rebuilding ACC would.
WVU has no interest in the ACC.
@@tarheel7406bro we all know UNC is just waiting for that SEC/BIG TEN invite idk why you act like it even matters to you💀🤣
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a) I'm interested in realignment in general
b) I'm interested in what happens to the likely ACC remainders
Already said I have no dog in this fight, so I'm offering things to consider. The reality is that the SEC/B1G will finish consolidating the brands and flags they want, and then they will separate from the rest for a closed Tier 1 and playoff. Everyone should hope to make that Tier 1 cut but be realistic. In my mind, the likely remainders need to decide on what the Tier 2 should look like, where each Tier 2 team prefers to be within, and act towards that goal.
Will it be a Tier 2 league in the form of some national BIG12?
Will it be 2 or more Tier 2 conferences? Should those conferences be regional?
WVU may make the cut into an ~24-team SEC, but what if it doesn't. What is best for WVU as part of a Tier 2 world?
When The Big East Collapsed acc Did not waunt West Virginia. Why now I agree, stay where you're at West Virginia.
No I don't want us to Big 12 the best Conference in the leage now bro no way they are unstable and no more money
Gold and Blue Dude, the first channel I ever subscribed to, and the man who told me I should subscribe to your channel. I miss him every day, and I'm grateful. he told me about your channel. I can't say that I always agree with what you say, but I do enjoy hearing your opinions. Keep up the good work! BTW stay in the Big 12, you have a chance to compete there, in the ACC you would be a bottom feeder.
Thanks for the support. How would we be a bottom feeder? We are just as good or better than GT, Wake, Duke, UVA, Syracuse, BC, and maybe even NC State. We beat VT two years in a row and should have won over Pitt last year, who is one of the league’s best teams.
@@CouzsCornerSports You're right, you are just as good as all the ACC bottom feeders.
West Virginia basketball and the Big XII are a natural fit.
Big 12 unless sec calls
, GBD i think he covered all options in the speculation zone .
man..GBD would have had like 20 videos on all of this news over the last 2 days..RIP
Even as a TT fan I loved watching GBD comment on live WV games. He was so animated that the entertainment value was off the charts. I wish every fan base had a guy who watched the games on TV and reacted in real time on youtube (actually there was about a 5 second delay which made it even more interesting). Again hats off to GBD the great entertainer and speculator.
I disagree about WVU being a better culture fit for the Big 12 because they are a better geographical fit for the ACC. However, like you said, the Big 12 is a lot more stable than the ACC is right now so we should stay where we are.
That would be the dumbest thing to do!
Really good video bringing out the sunglasses 😎.. Yeah that would be so dumb for us to leave now.. If Florida State goes it won't be long until Miami and Clemson follow.. We need to just wait and try to bring in Pitt, VT and Louisville to the Big12 once Florida State leaves
Why would ACC remainders favor a Tier 2 BIG12 over a rebuilt Tier 2 ACC?
Because of a better conference with a better commissioner
@@tarheel7406 Because of money, why would they stay 🤦
@@manipulatedworld5355 "Because of a better conference with a better commissioner"
Why a better conference? More brands? Diluted regionality? Would pay the same? Both irrelevant to the then Tier 1.
Why a better commissioner? BY has to throw Hail Marys and seize opportunities resulting for the failures of others. JP has to just do no harm.
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"Because of money"
The money would be peer.
"why would they stay"
An existing legacy brand, regionality, better academic association, better overall sports, etc.
As much as the Mountaineers are a great school in the Big12, they’d be better off in the ACC. It’s been a mutual benefit, but the travel is horrible and it hurts their competitiveness. They’d be a solid add anywhere.
One final thought. The Big 12 is adding teams out west because of the fact the PAC-12 is falling apart. If if was the ACC falling apart like that too, Brett Yomark would negotiate with those teams too. I think the Big 12 will eventually expand to 20 bringing in ACC teams eventually.
For what purpose a national Tier 2 conference?
B12 is shaping up to be no. 3, they have a commish that knows what he is doing. Why would WVU want to move to ACC when ACC has several teams looking to leave it. Doesn't the Grant of Rights dissolve if 8 teams apply to leave? I get the rivalries and the cost of travel, etc, but that should not be the reason to leave a stable conf. At least wait until we see what other teams in P12 are doing and the money-per-team for media rights, etc. P12 blinked first, dominoes will start. I'd hate to move to ACC only to see ACC implode when Miami, Clemson, etc leave for P2 confs. And 2022 payout was better in B12 than ACC, and WVU would have to pay to leave.
For the new BIG12 to get to #3, the current ACC would have to heavily deplete. If that happens, #3 won't matter. This is the reality that escapes BIG12 fans.
“#3 won’t matter”
That’s absolutely ridiculous. The 3rd best conference will make money and have a spot in the playoffs.
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It's not the current "lineup", but post-expansion will determine #3. I read somewhere that as many as 7 teams want out of ACC and I thought I read somewhere that 8 teams leaving dissolves GoR or buyout requirement, or whatever, meaning conference can't keep them from leaving. Only P2 confs don't have to worry about a mass exodus of teams. If Miami, FS, Clemson, VA, VT, NC, NCS leave, would ACC still be viewed as #3?
@@bostacker6675 The new BIG12 is a distant #4 in both value and power. The current revenue gap triggered the demise of the PAC and has the ACC in critical condition. The new BIG12 has no feasible path to close that gap. If the ACC depletes out to the SEC/B1G, the gap gets wider.
If the ACC depletes and the gap widens, the new #3 new BIG will not be competitive with the SEC/B1G due to recruiting, exposure, money. The P2 will separate from the rest and host a closed playoff.
This is the reality that the new BIG12 is not facing. The PAC did not face the reality of its true media value and act accordingly, so it's now depleting out to a Tier 3. The new BIG12 not facing reality won't be fatal, it's already a Tier 2. It may cause harm to itself and members.
@@Stud_muffin "If Miami, FS, Clemson, VA, VT, NC, NCS leave, would ACC still be viewed as #3?"
#3 won't matter then. There will be a closed, separate Tier 1 P2. Why can't B12 fans see this? Does RC matter in a Coke/Pepsi world?
Have to sanity check rumors.
WVA would love to be in the ACC and it was their target for a long time but they are locked into a 6-year grant of rights with an additional 2 years exit fee as a part of 99-year commitment.
Even after discounts there is no way WVA is buying their way out of that deal to make less in the ACC.
The ACC has never invited WVU.
If this was about a decade ago, I’d be so upset you said no to going to the ACC. But with the current landscape of conferences I’m with ya Couz.
Realignment changed and will continue to change rivalries. However, WVU can rent as many as two ACC teams for OOC games, as it did last season with Pitt and Va Tech, and sellout the house for its fans at home and on the road.
I agree NO to ACC
I would rather WVU go to the SEC...that would be the best
You certainly make a great sale Couz. The rivalries would be great to watch. Also I can attest that there are many West Virginia alumni and fans in North Carolina.
However the people in the know on this matter insist that it doesn't work very well when it's time to make the direct deposit down at the bank.
What you really need is a baby boom in WV.
There is another long shot that could work in the favor of West Virginia. As more electric cars are manufactured there will be a major increase in the need for coal to generate electricity. This need could be a big boost for the entire West Virginia economy and even grow your state in population.
Then there is always the old bring Notre Dame football with you as your prom date and that would fix everything.
Gold & Blue Dude talked about the Notre Dame/WVU pair to the ACC frequently.
There is no way now. We are in a good spot now
I can't wait for the Big 12 to be a super-hybrid version of the Big 8, PAC10, SWC, Big East, and ACC
And even less stable
Adding WV would add value because, in part, the ACC deal is that undervalued. It just wouldn't have a sufficient impact for the Seminoles and Tigers.
If I was a fan of the bottom half of ACC brands, I would love to have WV.
This sounds like an end run around the grant of rights. My understanding, and I may be wrong, is that if the ACC expands a new tv deal must be negotiated (the renegotiation process would also require a new grant of rights). If that happens FSU, Miami, Clemson and UNC are gone to the SEC. Then what do you have as a conference?
If that triggers a new negotiation, then no way the ACC will expand. Phillips doesn’t want to lose those teams and that would make it easier.
"Then what do you have as a conference"
An east coast version of the new BIG12.
This discussion isn't about joining the current ACC vs. staying in the new BIG12. WVU is not getting an invite to be an addition to the current ACC. Simplify things. ~10 years ago both the ACC and BIG12 lose their top 6. WVU gets an invite from both to be a replacement. What does WVU do?
The only option other than the Big 12 that would make since right now would be the SEC... but I wouldn't count on an invite from them unless the SEC wanted a decent filler/even number to go along with a power program, and WVU just happened to find the golden ticket in their candy bar!
6 years ago I would have argued WVU was more than a filler…however my beloved team has taken a hit to the brand instead of the upward trajectory we did have. So with that said…yeah…you’re correct
Back in 2011, without a doubt! Now, not a chance. Our patience has paid off!
Whats the old saying you dance with who brought you
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OState Cowboy here WV cant leave bc i havent made a road game to Morgantown yet. Out of all the Big12 teams ive been to OU, KU, and Texas, but WV is where i want to go see a game the most!!
We’d love to have you in Morgantown.
ACCORDING TO SOURCES ACC MEMBERS NOW WANTS OUT OF THERE CONFERENCE CONTRACT THEY NEED 8-9 SCHOOLS TO MOVE AHEAD THEN BIG12 WOULD MAKE A MOVE TO GET SOME IN OUR CONFERENCE WHICH WOULD HELP WV OUT BIG TIME…
Pay the estimated 50m exit fee, for 13 year GOR for an additional 52 m over the 13 years, a 2 million return on investment of .3%😱 Additionally, risk another disaster of instability, and where would they go when the ACC dissolves in 2036. I just don’t see it.
It may all depend on if UCONN being admitted into the BIG XII or another East Coast team joining the BIG XII Conference. It would be a lateral move money wise for WVM. But 2035 is a long ways away
My understanding is that FSU wants expansion so that it opens up the chance for them to leave when the contract is renegotiated. Clemson and FSU want out. If WVU leaves will they really get a better deal?
The parties can renegotiate without putting the GOR at risk as long as the per team payout doesn't drop as a result. WVU would likely lower the average ACC value but could (though unlikely) increase the contract rate. FSU could argue that diluting value harms future look ins and future renegotiations.
The problem is that FSU can't support and vote for an expansion, and then claim that expansion harmed its interests. That's why no ACC school with options will vote for a dilutive addition and why such an expansion can't get the votes. Any dilutive expansion to the current ACC but works for a rebuilding ACC would best be done as part of an overall settlement.
It would certainly help with our travel expenses if we went to the ACC. Of course, it would be wonderful to play all our old rivals again. If the ACC can get a better media deal that would help even more, but not sure that’s going to happen.
WVU needs to stay in the Big 12. The ACC had several times they could have took WVU ,but they thumb their nose each time. Big 12 is more stable and besides the exit fee WVU would have to shell out to leave would be disastrous.
Two years ago I would have said ACC for sure. But today I say Big 12 over ACC.
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@ Couz didn't know it was tribute to Gold and Blue Dube. I miss him. Also, I just wanted to say that my last comment, keep doing your thing.
Thank you.
I think it would be irresponsible for WVU to jump to what will probably be an extinct league. If they sit tight, they will soon be in the same league as sPITTsburg the Big 12. Thedn WVU will be reunited with sPITTsburg and Cincinatti. Not a bad reunion with old foes.
Couz today i went to talk about WVU vs Penn St to a texas fan and before i could even get a word out about the match up i got laughed off and told quote "Penn st vs WVU will be a blow out" i know PSU has that top 10 Defense but do you really think we will get blow out?
I actually do. Penn State may have the best D line in the country and their O-line may be just as good. They are stacked. The one thing that may help WVU is the fact PSU will be starting a true freshman QB. Although, he’s extremely talented.
@@CouzsCornerSports im actually glad we're not playing a cupcake team first..I'd rather play a tough team see where we are weak and need improvement and THEN play the cupcake rather then vice versa
@@CouzsCornerSports plus I did a little research and it definitely shows teams that have a easy schedule for the first 3 or 4 weeks actually end up struggling the rest of the season but teams that have tougher opponents at the start tend to actually do better not like they went on to beat everyone but "Harder then easy" seems to work out better rather then "Easy then harder"
Chris is up in Heaven trying to gry a one day pass to come back and do one more video.
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West Virginia and UCF join the ACC so Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona St., Oregon, and Washington can all join the Big-12. Oregon St. Washington St. Cal and Stanford join the Mountain West.
If I'm WVU, I would prefer moving to a rebuilding regional Tier 2 ACC rather than staying in a national Tier 2 BIG12, but I can also respect inertia, loyalty, and perceived insults.
LOL. I like your idea. But if ACC is taking WVU +1 we want Cincinnati over UCF.
That Ohio Market fills that gap we have between Indiana and Pennsylvania on the Conference Map so does WVU.
UCF can only come if FSU and Miami leave.
Would love that
@@MercerKnowsBall You post a lot of nonsense and fantasy. Only a heavily depleted and rebuilding ACC would be expanding to a bigger degree, and WVU, UCF & CINCY would all likely be of interest.
I get where WVU is at, but I really hope they don't leave the Big XII. West Virginia has been a great addition to the conference and has only been a benefit to the the culture of the league even when they're down. I agree with the commenters below; if the ACC implodes, we should snag up WVUs rivals. That would put so much to right and unburden a class act university of a portion of their travel expenses.
a) I would agree that WVU seems to have good brand inertia
b) Unlikely that the BIG12 pulls any ACC remainders
Man, much respect to you. Another great Big 12 fan.
Not gonna happen. The ACC will be splitting up in 2024.
I miss Gold & Blue Dude. You sir are fact based, realistic, and rational. But sometimes you just need to hear some batshit crazy. RIP GBD.
I miss him too.
Any expansion into the ACC must involve a new contract. If the contract is "better" the stability concern, which is a valid concern, would be removed.
I hope WVU stays with the Big12 and plays one of those more local potential "rivaly" games as non-conference game each year.
Stay in the Big 12
Clemson, Florida State, Miami, North Carolina are looking at leaving The ACC why would we leave Big-12
The BIG`2 already lost its top 6..
Look Ive advocated for WVU to the ACC for a long long time. However, over the years my opinion has changed. While regionally it makes sense, I almost feel like the Big12 has purposely expanded east for WVU. Big12 looks really good right now, and I dont think I would leave...
Well said and I agree.
Only if Notre Dame was in as well.
WVU would be crazy to leave now. The ACC signed a bad TV contact that last until the end of time. Plus they have a travel partner with Cinny and UCF now.
Think there needs to be some discussion on the possibilities of WVU getting a call from the SEC with these latest rumors. In 2011, bleacher report cited how the SEC was making a decision between Mizzu and WVU and the SEC presidents granted the commissioner permission to start talks. Obviously they went with Mizzu over facility improvements and such WVU needed and other things which in the last decade, has been corrected. Jim Williams reported a month ago of the SEC models of expanding having tier 1 being FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, and tier 2 being VT, UVA, Duke, and….. WVU. With the latest rumors of Clemson and FSU thinking about the big 10 and if that happens, there would be theoretically 2 spots to fill with 2 of their tier 1 teams going to the big 10. They’d obvious be adding UNC and Miami but who’s the next 2 they are adding from their tier 2? Duke is a basketball brand and a great brand to have don’t get me wrong. But you have to think the way the tv companies have been evaluating value which has been expanding into new markets. By adding UNC you don’t need to expand to the NC tv market anymore. Yes you have Florida and are adding Miami but Miami is a blue blood. Same thing with already being in Texas with Texas A&M but adding Texas. If you add WVU and VT your adding two new market you aren’t in and a trophy rivalry game to your tv package. It’s not crazy to think that if Clemson and FSU join the big 10, WVU may have a legitimate shot to getting an SEC invite.
I like the way you think. I actually made a separate video on this topic a few months ago. th-cam.com/video/aDMlDVuQwi0/w-d-xo.html
God forbid WVU would make that decision
I'm watching this again 7 days later, on the 5th, as the dust from yesterday is still settling. I want to say thank GOD for Ollie Luck in 2010 and Brett Yormark now. The Big 12 is healthy and strong, and so are my Mountaineers. Screw the ACC. I hope it ends up just like the PAC.
If the ACC ends up like the PAC, the BIG12 and WVU fall even further behind the benchmark.
Let's not overlook the huge exit fee to leave the Big 12. For less money? Granted we would have less travel costs, less wear & tear on our athletes, more ability for our fans to attend away games, etc. I get that, but I'd rather remain with the conference which threw us a lifeline when we needed it badly; otherwise we would have become an AAC team. On the contrary, the ACC has thumbed their noses at us for years, and I personally have a hard time overlooking that. I am confident that with Brett Yormark's vision and leadership, the Big 12 is more stable than in recent years, and is a conference on the upswing. Only my personal beliefs and I'm enjoying reading the other comments with varying perspectives. Let's Go Mountaineers!💛💙
Great comment and I agree with you. Let’s Go!
I live in Atlanta. I would love the away games being closer to my home. I say stay in the Big 12. We're in a good place even though we suck right now. Now, if Oregon jumps in and the ACC keeps their big names and the money matches or grows, I could be swayed.
The current ACC is not adding OREGON.
@@tarheel7406 I agree. Just saying..
Everything is speculative. I hope the Big12 grabs Oregon. If Brett is trying to be cool and make money moves, sell the naming rights to the conference to Nike. Become the "Nike's Big 16" conference. Hook the players up with Nike gear, ad opportunities and require every school to wear only Nike uniforms. Oregon would hop on board in a heartbeat, because Phil Knight told them to, of course.
Again, just speculating, guessing, thinking and maybe hoping a bit.
@@ryans2542 OREGON likely now realized that its chances of a B1G invite are very low, so the Tier 2 BIG12 is better than the soon to be Tier 3 PAC.
While hoping for an SEC +1 invite, WVU needs to decide what the Tier 2 level will/should look like and its preferred place within. The ACC will not invite (if ever) WVU unless and until its average team value drops to WVU's level by either depletion and/or depreciation. The choice will then be a national Tier 2 BIG12 or a regional Tier 2 ACC.
@gregcarver1915 you're a little late...
@gregcarver1915 I would have loved to have had them to though. They got greedy. If Nike sponsors the big 12, they could have made more. So could every other school. Just saying...
Why does WVU have such a hard on for the ACC? They're going to implode as well...
They don’t.
It's hard to see how this helps the ACC problems. Unless this results in significantly higher TV $ per school, FSU is still going to be unhappy and will continue to want a higher share. Unequal shares will lead to unstability and, therefore, isn't a long-term or even mid-term solution. Also, what is the cost for WVU to buy its way out of the Big 12.
Over $100 million!!!😳
If you want to see the REALITY of the ACC you need to READ my post that starts with; "COUZ... I had to get this to you."
Yea it would probably happen because it would be an ignorant move to leave the Big 12 for a conference on the brink of collapse an that would be just WVU luck to go to a conference they will be begging to get out of when all the good teams leave
I hope WVU officials are forward thinking and can see that Pitt and Virginia Tech will be coming to the Big 12 when the SEC takes Clemson and Florida State and Big 10 takes UNC and Virginia
@@manipulatedworld5355 THAT is NEVER going to happen
If you want to see the REALITY of the ACC you need to READ my post that starts with; "COUZ... I had to get this to you."
It breaks down 7 years of moves the ACC has made that will put it ABOVE the BIG in Revenue by 2026.
But WARNING it is LONG AF, make sure you have some time to read it all.
They won’t leave the big 12 we’ll stay where we are to much money to lose. This day and age moneys the name of the game it’s no longer about playing for the school you love
This year's payout, after all was said and done, for every Big 12 school was approx. $44 million. Unless your going to the SEC or Big 10 an organization would think long and hard before leaving.
With TX/OK. The PAC, BIG12 and likely eventually the ACC have yet to suffer the full effects of losing their biggest draws/brands. Again, the questions is what should the Tier 2 look like and where does WVU want to be within same.
WVU is now the 3rd highest spender in Big12 in travel begind BYU and UCF. Better option is wait for ACC to fall apart, Big12 adds a few more east coast schools and have a east and west division.
a) Unlikely ACC remainders move to the BIG12 rather than rebuild
b) There is no purpose for a national Tier 2 conference, and it would be unstable
Couz,
Greg Hunter on Sportline said yesterday that it’s “100’s of millions of dollars”.
Does that mean $200Mil, $300mil or more? Who knows. Safe to say it’s easily over $100 Million
Yeah, either way it’s much more than WVU can afford. Glad to hear from you. Thanks for watching.
I've been concerned about Gee and Wren wanting to take WVU out of the Big 12, since before Huggins left and this talk of the ACC makes me wonder...
If the Big 12 expands east which I hope they do West Virginia definitely won’t leave
The late Gold and Blue Dude would have loved it if West Virginia went to the ACC .
My opinion is the Big 12 is the best all around conference in the country even without Oklahoma and Texas..so..no to the ACC
I respect the confidence. How best? On what factors?
IMO, UWV showed what happens when a school moves to a conference and becomes an island unto themselves. All their conference games were across country. UWV didn’t have NIL, the transfer portal or huge money payouts that may make a difference for these other schools that are making conference moves in todays landscape. In todays landscape, UWV can have success again but they have to make some hard decisions on their coaching. IMO, it’s the coaching that has been their liability the past couple of years and is holding them back to gaining their competitiveness once again.
Good comment.
It's WVU.
Gold n Blue dude we love and miss u the checklist
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How does SMU helps anybody? Nobody in Texas pays attention to them. They are a stretch to get a footprint in Texas. By that logic, you could get the same footprint with Rice, UTEP or North Texas. The Mean Green would get you in the Dallas/Ft. Worth market too.
what do y'all think of this UConn talk ? I'm not that fired up about them .
I’m not fired up about it, but wouldn’t hate it either. As a WVU fan, though, it’s for selfish reasons. It’s another school closer to us.
Think basketball!!
Who will be in the ACC when/if WV gets invited? Is an ACC without Miami, Clemson, FSU & UVa a conference WV wants to be in? Let’s say the ACC invites WV, SMU, USF and Rice to replace four schools they will likely lose! How would fans like playing those schools?
But, the ACC has to be intriguing for fans, since many teams are within driving distance of WV. Fans can drive to games without breaking the bank for flights.
The distance and rivalries are the two biggies. If we can get a couple of those rivals in the Big 12, I think everyone will be content.
PItt finished 8-4 last year. West Virginia would be a good fit for the ACC because the travel schedule would be better.
What about the bowl game? Did Pitt win their bowl game?
@@CouzsCornerSports PItt defeated UCLA in the Sun Bowl.
ACC will not be able to expand with any viable candidates that would bring/add any value to the ACC. Why? A grant of Rights that runs almost forever. The ACC is not only unstable but keep your eyes on FSU to soon make moves. The ACC is about to be destabilized.
ACC GOR is only 5 years longer than the one the XII is under RIGHT NOW.
Only 3 years longer than the one the XII ad PAC have been under the last Decade
ACC is making 150% of what XII is making right now and is about to DOUBLE it.
You wouldn't take TWICE the money?
FSU is going NOWHERE
BIG and SEC couldn't get the 4 schools they just got until their GOR was in the LAST TWO years... FSU has 13 years left
FSU is not leaving and it going to be VERY HAPPY that they didn't VERY SOON
Actually, I think the ACC GOR is no longer valid once the contract is open for renegotiation. I don’t see ESPN desires regulating the ACC to a 2nd rate conference. Florida State raised the $150 million ACC exit fee in less than 48 hours. ESPN would need to desire & help in facilitate any movement out of the ACC. Most likely Florida State & Clemson would be properties ESPN would prefer moving to the SEC. UNC & NC State are tied at the hip, and the same can be said for Virginia & Virginia Tech. To me ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips is trying to do too little, too late. The last I heard from FSU was 2 - 5 years before an exit from the ACC. There is no bad blood with the ACC, but trying to compete against your instate rival; which, is bringing in 2 to 3 times the amount of tv revenue is difficult. Up to this point FSU has relied on other revenue of $87 million before any tv revenue is added. Perhaps Tar Heel has some insight into UNC? ✌🏼
What about this,
1. Colorado Stanford Cal, the 4 corner schools to the Big 12
2. Oregon and Washington to the Big 10
3. Florida State and Clemson to the SEC
4. WVU, Cincinnati, and UConn to the ACC
I know it's a pipe dream, and the money isn't there, but man that would be awesome for WVU fans
Why would an ACC that "just" lost CLEMSON/FSU want to replace? With WVU?
Couz, my brother, nothing but love and respect for you but if was in the decision makers room at WVU, i would stay put in the B12. I am a Nole to the core as you know and the two conferences tv deals are close. In the next 3 to 5 years, they will remain close. The ACC simply rested on the graces of the status quo and lost focus on the big picture. ESPN is in a financial cloud at the moment....losing both money and subscribers. You can rest assured that the ESECPN invextment will be the priority for the foreseeable future. The Big Ten actually took note and shifted from cable to more traditional TV ops by partnering with CBS, NBC, and Fox as well as the B10 network. I said before in your forum and in GBD
Thanks for the comment.
Nice GBD reference. RIP
This is as silly as SDSU joining the PAC, a sinking ship. Even if the ACC adds schools, if they end up losing 6-8 best schools (some that could come to the Big 12), the musical chairs may end up back firing if Pitt & Virginia Tech flipped over to the Big 12. The ACC is going to lose a lot of value & that's why WVU may end up going backwards instead of forwards. If the ACC loses Florida State, Clemson, Miami, Virginia, North Carolina, NC State, Louisville you'd lose the heart of the conference (basically the AAC).. Good show Couz. I think even Gold & Blue Dude would agree with you here. In the end I think UConn, Pitt, Louisville & VT will be in the Big 12 in the next cycle when the ACC starts dealing with the same issues as the PAC is now.
You got it exactly right, Simon. If the ACC were to try to add any schools they would lose several schools, mostly the big brands and Yormark would love to add Duke to the Big 12 to reinforce the Big 12 as the best basketball conference.
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a) The BIG12 has already lost its top 6
b) Vert unlikely DUKE is an option for the BIG12
c) The BIG12 is not the best b-ball conference. Maybe tied at 2nd with the BIGEAST.
@@tarheel7406 Likely that Duke goes wherever North Carolina goes (if they go), as those are two of only 4 basketball bluebloods (along with Kentucky and Kansas, although UCLA has re-emerged and UCONN is making some noise).
@@ExhaultedPoobah Recent events and credible reports suggest that DUKE will not be coattailed by UNC. The question then is what are DUKE's options and in what order of preference.
Couz...if FSU...UM....and UNC leave I don't know if that would be a good choice for us
Reasonable. The BIG12 sans TX, OK, TXAM, NEB & MO is better?
@@tarheel7406 your correct 100% more eyeballs in the viewing area...means more $$$
Why would you go?
Sorry about gold and blue dude couz. I wasn't really a big fan of his but he had his moments. I have an idea for you or another WVU guy to keep GBD around. Get the clowntineer going again in his memory.
R.I.P.
I don’t know man. I loved him but that wasn’t my favorite schtick of his. Lol
Great show. I know you guys would fit in fine with acc. But, acc wll be as long as the tv deal is alive. Rite now the west Virginia byout is like 230 million. Lolin 5 years its 80 million. I dnt you get many at big 12 wanting to give much of a deal this early in the contract. We couldnt see wv wanting to pay that kinda of money for a better fitting couch. Lol
Lol
@@CouzsCornerSports it was early when I wrote this. I made a mess of it. Basically wv doesn't have the money to buyout and go to the acc.
Even in 5 years you think wv would pay 40 million to leave. We know the pac 12 will be gone. The big 12 will get an increase in 5 years. Would you pay 40 million to go to a worse deal.
@@robertpearce4316 The ACC has an even bigger exit fee. The answer is an amicable Tier 2 realignment.
They should if they could
I don't understand why the ACC would want WVU or why WVU would want to join the ACC.
The ACC is living on borrowed time. The Big 12 is growing and is stable.
I think the ACC has just discussed WVU as a potential expansion candidate. I doubt it’s went any further.
@@CouzsCornerSports that makes sense. I think WVU has been talked about by the ACC for the better part of the last 20 years.
@@trclark7689 The ACC has never seriously considered inviting WVU. Always rejected applications and internally rejrcted at least twice during this story. Regardless, a rebuilt ACC would just be as stable as the rebuilt BIG12.
ACC has too many questionable things, stick with Big 12 this Commissioner has vision and is taking us places!